Also, reminder that Azem is in that CS somewhere
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
subtle pasture
since it's from Eli's point of view and there's 13 others
Has someone gone over the Constellation Crystals to link who says wha
like the only one I distinctly recognized was Emet,
and it was a dark purple stone so especially clear
pastel coyote
for SoS EX i feel i will need to make the PF myself, everyone want to practice the p2
radiant badger
Hourly reminder to cry
unique verge
Why cry over a fake?
untold gull
subtle pasture
Because it was as real as anything to them 
untold gull
I swear some people are like zodiark here
pastel coyote
...... without heart ?
viscid monolith
Knowing that all of those petty insults from Elidbus were from a kid makes me wish we hurt him more.
unique verge
Why? Elidibus was clearly just an imitation. I felt nothing for him, unlike Emet.
viscid monolith
Should've gave him a wedgie before he got vored by the tower
subtle pasture
It's more like, I couldn't feel disdain for Eli in the end, either,
So many Warriors of Light achieved things because of him, so many were him,
it blurred every precognition of the guy so much and it was just,
poignant, see that light extinguished,
but we knew it had to be
radiant badger
The fact that elidibus could no longer even remember his own friends and whatnot honestly made it sting a lot more
Because he sure as fuck remembered at the end when he had the Zodiark beaten outta him
That KO was more of a mercy than anything else
tardy elm
Are Miqotes actually descendant from cats?
subtle pasture
no.
radiant badger
subtle pasture
GOD and 5.3 gave us a concrete in-universe use of "Catboy," I hate it.
Giott refers to Reeq as "catboy" in the dungeon
radiant badger
DO YOU TAKE ME FOR A CRAVEN?
lunar hound
...ok seriously yoshi-P please stop making ultima weapons, even if they're on our side
subtle pasture
Like Idk if "Catboy" was ever said anywhere in this game before,
but Giott says it
omfg
So you're telling me he's a Warrior of Light somewhere
unique verge
I feel like that sequence has got to be confusing for people who only did one rolequest.
tardy elm
Cat girl?
teal geyser
So you're telling me he's a Warrior of Light somewhere
@subtle pasture He is a GENTLEMAN of Light
subtle pasture
Fair 'nough
heady shadow
I think honestly.,...
it's just the devs giving us something because they couldnt fit his quests in the expac
pastel coyote
and it's enough
unique verge
I mean in theory they can do Hildi in 5.4/5.5 if they want
unique verge
it just wouldnt work in 5.0-5.3 at all
tardy elm
Nashu and Hildebrand get married ?
subtle pasture
"Spectral Gentleman" quest
radiant badger
I mean it could have worked at any point honestly. It's not like we haven't waltzed off to do random shit inbetween MSQs before
And he's literally randomly in the rift
.. or was
heady shadow
maybe he did get stuck.... and hs been sitting in there this whole time until now
pastel coyote
well Greg is....
radiant badger
To be fair, Greg has had A LOT of time to master the rift
pastel coyote
the only character who can travel between ff
radiant badger
Like he was banished in FF5
But yeah, Hildi appearing randomly in the middle of a dungeon having no clue how he got there?
Fitting.
lunar hound
lol
pastel coyote
will his reaction be any different if he appear here by his own will ?
pastel coyote
well the last time we see him he was huh..... throw in a rift ?
ashen coral
Hildi's got some hella willpower when you think about it. He got yanked from wherever he was in order to fight us, but managed to retain just enough of himself to not just blindly attack us
Instead just trying to figure out wtf is going on first
radiant badger
I think it's less willpower and more his mind is completely fuckin' scrambled in general from the teleport.
The dude doesn't even remember himself.
ashen coral
Yeah true
pastel coyote
He is a Mander-mander-manverville after all
radiant badger
... it's also hildi, so him not knowing who he is isn't out of the question anyways
Temporary amnesia
signal solar
He's lost his memory multiple times
unique verge
Clearly we're just going about this wrong
We need to throw a bomb at him and his dialogue will change, as he will remember who he is.
radiant badger
With the amount of damage he takes at least, him being a warrior of light isn't exactly out of the question.
His fantastical Echo power:
Being fucking indestructible
heady shadow
He did get lunched into dalmud
unique verge
Launched?
heady shadow
ah... my a key breaks again
unique verge
Ah yes. Ramuh.
People being unable to fuck off away from orbs when they arent supposed to touch them, that'll be fun times.
unreal wadi
YEP
& IN UNREAL AS WELL
people say titan ex is hard
Ramuh ex is probably the most annoying
untold gull
At the very least, eden ramuh made people aware that the orbs exist
But i'm hoping for titan ex 
heady shadow
titan ex was hard because of the lag
signal solar
Oh was that the hildi plot of 1.0
untold gull
I didn't mind it. Playing from aus to na made it more interesting
signal solar
He was just punted into the moon
unique verge
iirc in ARR he claims to have jumped there
heady shadow
it hppned
signal solar
Mandervilles have extraordinary powers
More powerful than WoL
Godbert uses it on crafting
heady shadow
signal solar
Hildi too dumb to realize full potential
thin crypt
forest magnet
when u nut but she keep suckin
wary perch
No difference from cell get blast by father & son kamehameha
dapper yarrow
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sage thicket
So I've yet to do all that I can with Unukalhai, since I've only beat Sephirot thus far; could someone confirm for me if he has any reactive chatter with the events of the msq? I just witnessed Fandalin talk with Zenos and myself needing to turn in the quest to G'raha so idk if I could get a special text box or not even if there were one.
unique verge
Yes, he has a specific thing to say post-Elidibus
sage thicket
Welp, time to do all of WT+Savage
stuck yarrow
don't you only need to do the regular warring triad quests?
unique verge
Its not major, but it exists.
stuck yarrow
for unukalhai dialogue
quasi zodiac
sage thicket
Not sure, but I figure WT will like like an hour or 2 at worst
stuck yarrow
he says something like "so you've defeated him. I know he was dangerous but he did save my life"
unreal wadi
LOO
sterile galleon
Now then...
radiant badger
FUCK
unreal wadi
LOOOO
sterile galleon
Will 5.4 be the final patch of ShB, I wonder 
sterile galleon
^
unreal wadi
radiant badger
I WILL FITE U
radiant badger
sterile galleon
HEY, THIS IS THE SPOILERS CHAT
rain onyx
5.55 is likely the final story patch of ShB
forest magnet
for SHB as a whole that story is done.
sage thicket
^
forest magnet
5.4 will be a prequel for 6.0
sterile galleon
Pipeline's been really pushed back by the one-who-must-not-be-named
forest magnet
we won't see that patch until december probably
sterile galleon
And yeah, I figure that will be the case as well @forest magnet
sage thicket
The Backstreet Boys global tour, names scare me naught
sterile galleon
Even on that note I also concur
gaunt star
Correct me if i am wrong:
But didn't an interview with Yoshi-P mentioned something about the next expansion, after Shadowbringers, won't be 'exactly' what we thought it'd be about?
sterile galleon
Theorized that instead of having 5.4 and 5.5 be medium-sized patches with little to no 5.4.X content, they'll put all their eggs into 5.4 with plenty more additional content in the following months
As compensation for the subversion of 5.5
gaunt star
Also if we talking of delays
sterile galleon
It would also transition nicely into Fanfest which at this rate will just be consolidated into either EU or a fully digital event
sterile galleon
Going to the moon? Yeah my bets are on Ilsabard and/or Dalmasca
Bozja and the addition of male Viera(plus femgar) would go hand in hand with that direction.
sterile galleon
Then after that, either a final farewell expansion or XVII
sage thicket
Ya, iirc there was either an interview or letter or something saying the future schedule has just simply shifted in release placement...but with their work from home changes they might reel back the delay, despite being permanently pushed back by an amount
gaunt star
No actually
They said that, while they COULD reel back the delay
They'd rather keep the quality and timing
sterile galleon
They could just as easily cut corners and compromise to get things back on track
sage thicket
gaunt star
They have confirmed they won't
sterile galleon
Without jeopardizing their pipeline
sage thicket
that's what I said
gaunt star
For the Delays?
forest magnet
they've been baiting a garlemald expansion for years
gaunt star
Oh for that
It was the Butt Interview
"Are we going to be in Garlemald soon? We've seen a little bit of it in story moments with Estinien and Gaius but are we going to start seeing more and actually going there?
In that aspect, I think we'll be able to go against players' expectations in a good way."
sterile galleon
You also need to take note of Fanfest
gaunt star
There's more to it sure but, the gist is
It is a very open statement of
"Well, not what you think it'll be"
sterile galleon
"More or less"
floral aurora
Just to be clear all the ancients are gone now? At least we think so right?
Idk about that person with Zenos
sterile galleon
Shadowbringers is still properly concluded with 5.3
forest magnet
Yes...as far as we know.
gaunt star
Also, Yoshida has openly stated as well
That he will keep working until:
He gets terminally ill, is fired, or dies
floral aurora
Kind of dark
sterile galleon
They can realistically maintain their quality standard by cutting 5.5 and padding 5.4 with more content
gaunt star
sterile galleon
@gaunt star My kinda work ethic
prisma vine
like just. as an aside. just cuz shb story is over doesn't mean that we stop getting story patches, we get a 5.4 and 5.5 purely on the merit of finishing the raids
gaunt star
“I’m still going to continue being in charge of Final Fantasy 14 for more years to come as long as I don’t die from sickness or accident. So please ignore any non-official announcements. It’s so bothersome.”
sterile galleon
Yeah he's totally working on FFXVII
gaunt star
hah
floral aurora
I am curious if the new arc will be about the cause of the calmity
sterile galleon
XVI has yet to see the light of day, and XVI has another 3 expansions left in it at most
sage thicket
As far as expac location-
I do think we'll seen Garlean controlled space but not the capital yet. Especially with the Zenos scene it looks like the 'humanitarian' parts are going to be less heard and Zenos/Fan more murder-death-kill.
Though I had posted on the reddit about the possibility of seeing the New World / Sharlayan land as well. Though that could be after our current story arc.
floral aurora
Because the empire arc seems almost over
forest magnet
Here's my crackpot theory
All of Garlemald gets cratered in whatever Fandaniel/Zenos is doing
The clouds get pulled back on teh world map and Garlemald is reduced to ruins
we explore whatever is remaining
sterile galleon
Yoshi has stated on multiple occasions that XVI is, well...
gaunt star
This is my personal take
sterile galleon
A story.
gaunt star
Garlemald is extremely doubtful
SOLELY
Because of the side patch content we receiving
gaunt star
We having Weapon Storylines, Zenos story, Bozjan storyline
floral aurora
Let's face it, The Source is done. Time to explore new worlds xD
gaunt star
Like, scuse me but, we are haing a TON of Garlean content in Shadowbringers
It is extremely doubtful we getting a Garlemald expansion
radiant badger
Fuck outta here.. what was his name again?
gaunt star
Cus that would just be theme fatigue
gaunt star
Mind
This does not mean, we will not have more Garlean content
forest magnet
Vaan is the shittiest mainline FF protag
gaunt star
It just means that i DOUBT we will have a Main Focus Garlean expansion
floral aurora
Yeah 6.0 is the Zodiark arc
forest magnet
To enter Garlemald we would need a reason
floral aurora
And possibly the conclusion to it
sterile galleon
Not necessarily.
forest magnet
The alliance is fighting a defensive war.
There's no reason we would enter Garlemald
in an offensive
sterile galleon
Zodiark may outlive Zenos for all we know
forest magnet
apart from liberating conquered regions
floral aurora
I hope so
sterile galleon
Dal-mas-ca
floral aurora
I think concluding the Zenos thing before Zodiark is best
forest magnet
Zenos can go fuck off already
I can't believe they're making him the final final boss
We have so many great villains and that is the one you choose to bring back from the dead?!
HIM?!
floral aurora
Emet >>>> Zenos
sage thicket
I doubt zenos will be the final final boss and more like a Hades pre-final
gaunt star
Was gonna fuse with Zodiark
...What if Zenos
Fuses with Hydalyen
And we fuse with Zodiark
sterile galleon
The plot is twisted
gaunt star
Whai :,D
floral aurora
I still rather have Zodiark use Zenos as a vessel maybe
sterile galleon
...But not something that the writers wouldn't do
sage thicket
BECOME WHAT YOU MUST
forest magnet
Idk with how the writers have been giving Zenos so many BS powers it'll end up that Zenos takes control of Zodiark.
timid solstice
Y'all don't get it
sterile galleon
Or the other way around
sage thicket
And thus with the Blessing of Hydaelyn, we become Zodiark!
forest magnet
Second was already rejoined
sterile galleon
^
sterile galleon
And there's no telling if there's any real conflict to resolve in the other shards, especially with the departure of the Ascians
forest magnet
here's all the lost shards.
timid solstice
or better yet, 12th
radiant badger
Outright destroyed
sage thicket
We fix The Void
floral aurora
And is Hydaelyn going to become our enemy later?
timid solstice
13th*
forest magnet
already visited, nothing much there other than an angry naked cloud woman
timid solstice
wait when
forest magnet
Crystal Tower...?
timid solstice
I know very little in terms of lore
forest magnet
World of Darkness
radiant badger
What do you think CT was all about?
timid solstice
oh that was 13th?
radiant badger
Third.
forest magnet
It was literally required material for 5.3
sage thicket
Wdym, where do you think all the voidsent come from
sterile galleon
World of Darkness/Void seems more like a 7.X destination than a 7.0 one.
forest magnet
It's the 13th
floral aurora
I still want to visit the other worlds, might be a world cooler than the First
forest magnet
The 3rd was lost in an Earth Calamity (the one that caused hte downfall of the allagans, which involves the CT)
sage thicket
Definitely no world larger, but could be cooler
sterile galleon
Not in 6.0, if we're going to yet another shard it would have to be in 7.0
sterile galleon
Alternatively they'll be used in successive content updates once they stop making expansions for XIV, a la XI
Which I'd imagine will be at 8.0
-Before they redirect their effort to XVII
forest magnet
I don't think they'd be willing to kill of XIV
sage thicket
Honestly I don't think XIV will ever end, but it'll definitely be getting a revamp if it doesn't. It makes squenix too much money
floral aurora
FFXIV will go on until PS6
forest magnet
after their previous attempt at such a thing failed miserably
sterile galleon
They wouldn't, just putting it on maintenance
sterile galleon
It wasn't
forest magnet
Yes it was.
floral aurora
Isn't FFXI being remade?
unique verge
No
sterile galleon
This isn't an Everquest VS Everquest 2 situation
forest magnet
FFXIV started development just after FFXI's third expansion
aka, where we are right now
unique verge
Also, i think that's a pretty accurate description.
sterile galleon
It's a matter of technical limitations
unique verge
just not for the right reasons
sterile galleon
Which prevents them from reiterating upon the game and its engines to keep up with the industry.
unique verge
FF14 was developed as an FF11 killer. That was the entire problem
That's why FF14 crashed and burned in 1.0
floral aurora
They could do a time jump and continue FFXIV lol
sterile galleon
Yoshi has literally stated that they'll eventually move on from XIV
timid solstice
Oh it was a reference
sterile galleon
timid solstice
[FF4] ||Since Kain says that he's come to his senses right before betraying again lol||
sterile galleon
...Dalmasca for 6.0 btw
unique verge
i'm sorry WHAT
sterile galleon
I expect us to clear at least half of the remaining fog over Hydaelyn in 6.0
floral aurora
SE! You raised the bar. We expect great things for 6.0
sage thicket
Idk, but if Alphinaud has his way, Estinien will join the Scions soon enough
heady shadow
they kicked the dps @nd he@ler kept dying. they were vote kicked.
heady shadow
on the l@st boss
brittle granite
so when i first did seat of sacrifice (blind), i did NOT know Emet was the one who saved us
heady shadow
xD
forest magnet
6.0 will be a disappointment. You can't top Shadowbringers with what its done by using FUCKING ZENOS AS THE FINAL VILLAIN.
sterile galleon
There's an easter egg in the Solar
brittle granite
until someone explained it to me
sterile galleon
The world map
timid solstice
How did you not recognize that signature handwave
timid solstice
Although I think ppl said he's not real or sth
floral aurora
I'm giving SE the benefit of the doubt, seeing how awesome these patches are.
brittle granite
oh?
sterile galleon
unreal wadi
there's a lot of
brittle granite
oh thats big
brittle granite
yeah
floral aurora
Sea of ash? We been there?
sterile galleon
Dalmasca we've yet to visit, well sorta
sterile galleon
That's where the male Viera come in, a la Au ra in Heavensward before being established in SB's Yanxia
sterile galleon
Big chungus
brittle granite
oh and hopefully female hrothgar (but i prefer male ones)
unreal wadi
i wonder if we'll get new job quests for the next expansion
sterile galleon
Figure it's granted we'll get them together
unreal wadi
...we will, right?
unreal wadi
It feels like, job quest stories have finished
brittle granite
we've been talking about the classes from 12 into 14
unreal wadi
but I love to see them continue
brittle granite
like Time mage or something
unreal wadi
wao Alexander class
sterile galleon
At least one, even if it's just them handing over the new job gear
brittle granite
or Apothecary?
unreal wadi
Would be nice
brittle granite
like that thing that child talked about
sterile galleon
Apothecary/Chemist, Geomancer and Beastmaster are currently up there
brittle granite
being a healer
radiant badger
"Ow jeez, my organs."
unreal wadi
hehehe
unreal wadi
3rd boss is really fun
brittle granite
and im ready for the next nier raid
radiant badger
Screw that hallway.
brittle granite
YEAH
radiant badger
As a caster, hallway is not fun.
sterile galleon
Let me enlighten y'all on something
brittle granite
ye?
sterile galleon
Just a minute
brittle granite
the hallway messed me up
like you had to like MOVE allot
also the instance with Eldi
almost effed me up
emotionally
brittle granite
he showed your journey from ARR to SB
lunar hound
^
lunar hound
well ARR new game + should be next patch
unreal wadi
Oh wait
sterile galleon
Hmmm or nevermind, the enlightenment must be put on hold
unreal wadi
there's new dialogue
brittle granite
huh
unreal wadi
with the kid from warring triad
brittle granite
OH yeah
unreal wadi
so he knows we killed elidibus
brittle granite
in the heroes gaunlet
untold ravine
Any pick of the new ex mount?
sterile galleon
It's nothing too significant
sterile galleon
"He saw fit to save my life"
sterile galleon
Technically a scion
brittle granite
huh
radiant badger
Throw a shoe at him
untold ravine
No gwiber of light pics yet?
unreal wadi
Heavensward
sterile galleon
Triple Triad?
brittle granite
ooh
unreal wadi
@brittle granite
sterile galleon
I did those yesterday
sterile galleon
Curious to see what he has to say in 5.4
brittle granite
thats nice that Eldi is the FF1 protag
like the OG WoL
and rip to those who thought the cloud of darkness would help us theory
lunar hound
why tf would the cloud help us
brittle granite
idk
unreal wadi
because the cloud never died
sterile galleon
How would chemist/apothecary play in XIV anyway
neat edge
wonder what those leaks said now
sterile galleon
Maybe the Shadowbringers leaks hold a clue
sterile galleon
Yeah the blufever ones
unreal wadi
can finally upgrade my godsdamned crownsblade
thin crypt
when ryne sucks the ether out of you
sterile galleon
neat edge
considering the shadowbringers reveal was in july 2019, yet to hear anything about the upcoming one because obvious reasons
sterile galleon
It's probs gonna be at Fanfest
Which at this rate, will just wind up being consolidated into one big hype event, either in EU or fully digital
brittle granite
i think the moonfaire event was good for us after us crying for 5.3
something slow and nice
sterile galleon
That's also kinda the whole point with it, them wanting to go ahead with Fanfest in February does heavily imply that there won't be a 5.4 as otherwise they'd be revealing the next expac well ahead of time.
sterile galleon
It pretty much comes down to two scenarios
Either they hold true to their promise on upholding their quality standard by cutting 5.5 and instead padding 5.4 with more content while also releasing it at a later date than they otherwise would
frosty orbit
hey folks, for the new Nier raid, the 3rd boss in that huge white room, for the pod mechanic, how can you tell which side is safe that doesn't have the big circle aoe in it
sterile galleon
Or push back the entire pipeline, which would warrant them either delaying or outright cancelling Fanfest to better coincide with the next expansion's launch in like what, winter 2021 - spring 2022?
sterile galleon
Because the middle ground between those two would necessitate them going back on their word and needlessly jeopardizing their reputation by reducing 5.4 and 5.5 into medium sized patches with little to no followup content like 5.3.X.
heady shadow
pretty they said that they will be two months behind with this.
half tendon
Whatever happens, I'm sure they'll do what they think is best
heady shadow
so even at worst 6.0 would be september 2021
rare sinew
@frosty orbit depends on the program, shown on screen
signal solar
everything is going to be slightly off
sterile galleon
Honestly, they'd be so much better off just doing away with 5.5 and instead padding 5.4 with fat.
brittle granite
signal solar
no they wouldnt
frosty orbit
you know for the pods you ahve to stand in between them to avoid the linear aoes they shoot, but when they do it again there's circle aoes added
brittle granite
can we agree that this is a mood
shrewd cypress
Oh no expansion won’t launch in the summer
rare sinew
Yes yes
signal solar
it would greatly increase strain on team
brittle granite
oh yeah i got this gif as well
rare sinew
When you look at the screen behind them
shrewd cypress
I won’t be able to wake up for the xpac if I have school 
north fulcrum
How would it be better to rush the story to a finish
rare sinew
It says what program its running
sterile galleon
Not if the patch releases much later than originally intended
north fulcrum
and has 3 patches worth of story?
rare sinew
Be it straight or circle
north fulcrum
cause 5.4 5.5 5.55
signal solar
its not later than intended if they were working almost around the clock these past 6 months for 1 patch
sterile galleon
Just with more story content than usual to compensate
north fulcrum
This just sounds pointless to the usual system
Besides they'd have to release an ultimate alongside a savage which would be a fucking mess
even if they delay it considerably
sterile galleon
It'd represent better cadence than cutting corners with both patches or upsetting their schedule
shrewd cypress
Where I could just take off work and play ffxiv for a week
signal solar
trying to chop off an entire patch number would just fuck the game harder than going with slightly off schedule
signal solar
and it takes time to make the content
shrewd cypress
But yeah they can’t just unfuck the schedule without rushing and releasing broken stuff
sterile galleon
The idea would basically be to release 5.4 between when 5.4 and 5.5 were originally intended to be put out
Then follow that up with 5.4.5
heady shadow
5.45*
sterile galleon
or that
heady shadow
or 5.47
sterile galleon
They wouldn't upset their schedule and they wouldn't upset their content output either
It's a compromise, one that represents best of both worlds
signal solar
can you explain how doing that would save time over current schedule
half tendon
Yeah uh
sterile galleon
By marginally drawing out the expansion with a tweaked pipeline plan
half tendon
Aren't they... more or less up to pace on development now? It took them a good while to get their workflows suited to working from home but
sterile galleon
To compensate for obstacles imposed by the pandemic
half tendon
I was under the impression that they were as close as they can be to their original in-person workrate
sterile galleon
Without jeopardizing the game's integrity.
heady shadow
they needed the extr months to do the bug testing but took longer becuse they hd to optimise their offices for covid
sterile galleon
But a pipeline that's been -permanently- pushed back by 2 months
This plan would work around that
royal spruce
I like how there's a age verification now
sterile galleon
And get their schedule back on track without compromises on quality or content output.
signal solar
and wer are trying to say cutting out a patch number wont solve that issue
gaunt star
who said its permanent
sterile galleon
They did
gaunt star
and people, in all their history never changed their mind after a more or less state of emergency huh?
signal solar
everything is fine now
sterile galleon
And I'm trying to say that rebranding 5.5 as 5.45 would solve that issue
royal spruce
I wonder how this arc well end
sterile galleon
This is literally what WoW did with Legion, and worked spectacularly in their favor
royal spruce
We still don't know what happened to the 14th after they left right?
I like to find out what happened there
I'm not a fan of though how that man wasted a piece of Gil
sterile galleon
Wasn't that already revealed in a prior patch?
Much like Elidibus did with Zodiark, the 14th offered themselves as Hydaelyn's core
royal spruce
No
I forget his name now but it was some guy in some other group that summoned her
the 14 deserted their position and refused to join both sides
sterile galleon
Elidibus was the first WoL
swift kraken
wuh?
sterile galleon
...Well post-sundering
sterile galleon
Didn't you do the trial 
swift kraken
i did
royal spruce
I'm thinking Azem might have went off looking for an alternative solution Maybe
swift kraken
sterile galleon
He was the primal the whole time
untold ravine
Elidibus pocessed the first wol
royal spruce
Who knows maybe azem found something they shouldn't have
thin crypt
rejoining when
sterile galleon
Hol' up, the 14th didn't side with hydaelyn either?
swift kraken
no
royal spruce
no
untold ravine
No elidibus took control of the first wol
untold ravine
Yeah no shit
sterile galleon
A la Thordan?
swift kraken
yea
untold ravine
Bru did u not watch the cutscene?
swift kraken
hes not actually the wol
thin crypt
untold ravine
I know
sterile galleon
swift kraken
yeah its not like i did the trial 3 times
royal spruce
azem had a pretty lame power if I have to say so
signal solar
he isnt the WoL he is a representation of a primal version of the WoL by a bunch of souls praying for him at once
severe brook
i mean being able to call the aid of your friends when in a pinch is pretty useful
untold ravine
Bruh
sterile galleon
...I want male buns
untold ravine
Yall aint getting what im saying
swift kraken
not at this moment, no
signal solar
nah
untold ravine
???
sterile galleon
My idea was that he was the first WoL, much like Emet was Solus
signal solar
he probablly witnessed his journey
severe brook
no, he created a primal in the image of the first warrior of light
elidibus is only the first warrior of light as much as ysayle is shiva
royal spruce
emet-selch in that trial coming to help his best friend one last time
signal solar
but he didnt take control of him
sterile galleon
@severe brook Ohhh, like that
signal solar
he likely COULDNT take control of the first WoL
because of echo and blessing of light
royal spruce
I want a four bar limit break now
severe brook
i think the Warrior of Light on the First was just the sundered incarnation of Azem on the First
the first in a long line of reincarnations that lasted until Ardbert joined with you
untold ravine
half tendon
Tank LB4: retroactively makes your entire party invincible
untold ravine
Literally takes control of him
signal solar
no
half tendon
no
severe brook
he's creating the image in his head to focus on
not finding the warrior of light somewhere and possessing him
signal solar
its a misremembering
signal solar
you physically cant trust elidibus's memories
swift kraken
because he misses him
severe brook
if that was the case, they'd probably animate it as him summoning a limp body of the WoL and stepping into it
kind of like this
https://youtu.be/Qktmf2B5lbo?t=45
swift kraken
elidibus really looked up to him most likely
severe brook
as opposed to just transforming outright
karmic walrus
Man the sapphire weapon questline....is this some morals dissonance going on here? Like I feel like we're supposed to feel sad for the kids, but at this point it seems like they're actively trying to get themselves killed for no reason
severe brook
i mean i think we can feel sorry for them even if they're rushing into their deaths
propaganda is a hell of a drug
and gaius needs to grapple that he's responsible for their own allegiance to Garlemald that's causing them to do so
karmic walrus
I guess
severe brook
i can definitely understand them not feeling as sympathetic though
karmic walrus
Just feels weird since Valens points out they're basically handing valuable tech to Cid and suiciding themselves
Like I'd get it if they were causing actual damage or out to take down Gaius/Cid
severe brook
well granted, the sapphire weapon wasn't sent out offensively
it was used as a defensive last resort to keep them from getting the more valuable and functional Emerald and Diamond Weapons
well, it's probably the emerald and diamond weapons
ruby weapon was used as an initial strike, and it hadn't lost yet
half tendon
they had no reason to suspect ruby weapon would lose
they weren't exactly counting on the Warrior of Light to show up to a random weapons test
and also i don't think a lot of garleans understand how ridiculously powerful the WoL is
and probably dismiss a lot of what's claimed about you as propaganda
"Oh, right, sure, there's a savage who killed Gaius van Baelsar, destroyed the Ultima Weapon, survived Dalamud, kills eikons like it's nothing AND killed Prince Zenos"
unique verge
From the Garlean perspective it literally is
Remember, the WoL "killed Prince Zenos" but that was proven "to be a lie" even though it wasnt.
half tendon
And then the Weapon of Light comes out of nowhere and levels your entire castrum. At which point you can hardly report back because... you're dead.
unique verge
So they probably think its all savage bullshit stories
half tendon
Also do we know what gaius was checking on after the estinien instance? he said he had to go check on... something
untold gull
like how some people think corona is just bullshit
half tendon
was that how he got his intel on ruby weapon or
faint dagger
the sorrows of werlyt questline is setting up for the narrative irony that whatshisname is cherishing the chance to kill Gaius when the mission is complete for revenge for his family, yet he sees himself in Gaius's situation
'ya yeet gonna kill gaius cause he killed all my family'
'oh darn he's just a dude who has also seen all his family killed, this is unjust and i have suffered an ironic crisis of conscience'
'i shall now hesitate dramatically, walk off into the sunset and the WoL shall be sent to find me later to whom I shall monologue about my feelings'
's not exactly a unique trope
untold gull
Maybe sorrows of werlyt is to give more backstpry to gaius as well as show more about the progress of garlean technology which we'd probably end up destroying yet again
faint dagger
imho it's just seeding the plot for inevitable garlemald expansion
adding places, characters, plot points, etc etc
untold gull
We definitely getting garlean this time. Zodiark vs hydaelyn
They can't not give us that when they've just given us those lines at the final cutscene
faint dagger
I mean assuming zenos outpowers a sundered Ascian, which I think is entirely reasonable to say he does, the next showdown against Zenos is reasonably the champion of light vs the champion of darkness
...Again
forest magnet
yoshi-p gave an interview where he said that the next expansion will be "unexpected" like ShB was @untold gull
severe brook
I think it'll be Ilsabard but something's going to happen in the leadup that keeps it from being just Stormblood 2
forest magnet
faint dagger
based on how little content there is for viera i'd say ilsabard is likely more on the cards
severe brook
like Zenos and Fandaniel blowing a hole to the lifestream in Garlemald to get to Zodiark and Hydaelyn and creating an eldritch landscape, or something
untold gull
Man, they honestly better not do sb again. Because that sudden change of scenery was really badly done
forest magnet
I think it'll be where the "stage" they're setting is
hardy rivet
might be two regions again like SB, whatever new front the empire wants to blow up yeah
faint dagger
the fact the single, single named rava viera NPC in the game was in this moonfire event
is pretty whack
untold gull
I remember someone made the comparison of how hydaelyn is the planet and maybe zodiark is the moon
severe brook
I don't think it's going to be split into two regions
people don't seem to have liked that in stormblood
i like both Ala Mhigo and Othard, but I think they would've been better if they each had an expansion to themselves
untold gull
Moon expac maybe 
severe brook
Moon's either going to be an expansion or a raid i think
faint dagger
They obviously wanted to do both, decided to try and do both at once, and othard just ended up stealing the show
untold gull
untold gull
If they do actually do garlemald continent, they better make sure the entire map connects with each other without travelling through hingashi
Excuse you
We are the sun
half tendon
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
severe brook
see the thing is
the best way to deal with zenos once and for all would be to Auracite him
but i'm worried it'd start to feel like too much of a trend considering that both of our two most significant antagonists this expansion were dealt with that way
half tendon
if it ain't broke
faint dagger
lul
ashen coral
lol
half tendon
500 iq play: simply get the WoL so fucking huge that they can just do that thing thordan did
just outright slap ascians out of existance
faint dagger
i'd like to see zenos break the mold of 'local garlean gets puppeted by ascians' but not in the typical zenos way of displaying zero emotions and just killing someone
ashen coral
Like I've said, just gotta lure Zenos to the Crystal Tower and have G'raha do the thing
tight isle
if they turned the WoL into a primal wouldn't he kill hydaelyn by passively eating all the aether
severe brook
probably
rain onyx
Yes
severe brook
though granted, now we know that hydaelyn dying doesn't mean the planet dies
probably would hurt the planet a lot though
half tendon
that's why alexander did what it did
looked into the future, went "AH, ME EXISTING KILLS EVERYTHING" and engineered a situation so that it'd get locked in a time bubble
faint dagger
alexander gets really wibbly wobbly timey wimey bullshite near the end admittedly
no deductions for forgetting how it rounded out
severe brook
actually i wouldn't be surprised if zenos ends up being aetherically dense enough to consume other beings
fandaniel tries to possess him and zenos goes "no u"
rain onyx
Alexander basically trapped himself within an extremely small repeating time loop IIRC
faint dagger
i'd be interested if they showed there was a reason Elidibus bailed against Zenos beside him not being able to beat him in a physical fight
That possibly Fandaniel can't see
rain onyx
Which is essentially stopped time
severe brook
i'm starting to like the "zenos is a warped hythlodaeus" theory
unique verge
That's a reasonable theory
faint dagger
hm. off the throwing 'friend' around?
half tendon
out of everyone we know I think zenos and krile are the 2 top candidates for Hythlodaeus
unique verge
I mean its pretty much all but assumed that Zenos turns out to be "someone from back then"
half tendon
i lean towards krile because of how much it's emphasised that her echo makes her ridiculously good at sensing aether iirc
severe brook
throwing friend around and suddenly being more perceptive of souls
neat edge
alexander probably ended up in the doomed timeline (8th)
faint dagger
if zenos actually turned out to be a fully morally redeemable character that'd be a pretty badass turnabout
half tendon
turns out zenos was just playing The Longest Con
that'd be completely apeshit and out of left field but
severe brook
zenos' wacky prank
half tendon
if anyone could go "JOKER'S TRICK" like that it'd be this writing team tbh
spare warren
if it wasn't for the snap and the hand wave, I would have never know it was Emet who helped us against Elidibus... all I'm saying is: give Ancients more design difference
faint dagger
I mean Zenos knows about the final days but what does he actually know
severe brook
but i mean
half tendon
but they go "NO, IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY"
severe brook
they're collectivist to a fault
faint dagger
that's kinda the point of the hand wave as a plot device
severe brook
it's intentional that they have no design difference
spare warren
i guess
half tendon
Everyone dressed exactly the same except for the convocation members, which had their red masks, to minimise differences between people and give them less to fight about
At least that's their justification for it
faint dagger
Yeah. There was an image highlighting Elidibus's final 'and you are not there to see it' line pointing out and explaining he's holding Lahabrea and Igeheyorm (sp?)'s crystals, and that the 2 convocation members in his flashback scenes are them (which you only know by analysing the code for the dialogue)
severe brook
granted even the convocatoin members haven't always looked like they had red masks
faint dagger
So there's a lot that they don't actually communicate at all
severe brook
though i think that's just cause the flashbacks are monochrome
carmine basin
I vaguely remember that they actually have different masks
In an interview wih YoshiP??
half tendon
I'd like to see the Azem mask at some point
faint dagger
I can believe that the convocation's masks have stylised over their years
half tendon
Hopefully we get it
carmine basin
And that he said that as evidence, our ancient self actually has a different mask
On the model
faint dagger
speaking of masks. TIL that every larger miqo'te in Eulmore is literally Dulia-Chai, only they all wear masks so you can't tell
carmine basin
Haven't checked the model from the trial though
half tendon
has anyone actually looked at the model- yeah
carmine basin
Time to hunt for playthrough since I'm too lazy to start the game
half tendon
I don't think we see it up close enough to resolve any detail on the mask without using a model viewer-
Actually i wonder if that model's in that one model viewer
stuck yarrow
isn't azem's glyph on the floor of the trial?
severe brook
i think that might be the complete glyph, like how Ultimate Crossover creates the multiplied version of Elidibus' Glyph
faint dagger
and isn't the ancient in SoS literally explained to be a fragment of Emet's soul, put there as a failsafe to put Elidibus out of his misery in the event he went down?
severe brook
or how the complete glyphs were in Akademia
faint dagger
does it not say that?
half tendon
I think Urianger says that but then immediately goes "At least i think, i have no fucking clue that shit was wild"
severe brook
I'm not sure if they say it's literally part of his soul or just a construct
faint dagger
Ah
severe brook
but it is a failsafe to take out Elidibus
wraith canopy
Y'Shtola says that but she also says she doesn't know for sure
half tendon
Even Urianger, Plot Man, has no idea
heady shadow
Emet knew Elidibus would mentlly not be ble to continue
faint dagger
at this point if they used urianger as a meta device to communicate obscure plot elements I wouldn't bat an eye
carmine basin
Oh yeah that's Emet
faint dagger
The wave, and elidibus physically reaching out after him is enough of a clue-in
half tendon
I still feel that like
If he was just a construct
Shouldn't elidibus have recognised that instantly?
faint dagger
elidibus at this point has basically lost the vast majority of his marbles tho
heady shadow
Elidibus did recongize him. right before he Thanos'ed snpped
half tendon
Mm, and I don't think a construct would be similar enough to his soul for elidibus to recognise it
faint dagger
yeah, at that point he'd basically have broke if you even said 'Aetherochemical Research Facility'
Blas is saying wouldn't Elidibus pin it as a construct, not actually Emet
Like he seems to
half tendon
noogie-ing elidibus and yelling "PRAETORIUM" into his ear
heady shadow
you know...
severe brook
i personally like the idea that it called up Hades' ghost from the lifestream so i'm fine with it not being a construct
heady shadow
I feel bad for elidibus.
I dont know how they did it
but they got me to feel bd for him
faint dagger
it's a shame they crammed it into such short space but like. yeah
he went down for literally nothing, possessing at the end literally nothing
severe brook
no fight left to fight
faint dagger
I mean, possessing the entire time literally nothing
half tendon
Also the implication throughout with his tiny model and camera that he was just a kid
heady shadow
at least his ather is trapped in the CT
severe brook
i think shadowbringers was them wanting to get the 1.0 baggage of the Ascians out of the way in as artfully of a way as possible
faint dagger
The only thing he had to throw at you whatsoever was basically straws he grasped at
half tendon
Him turning into the WoL was literally trying to beat you at a game you invented, too
carmine basin
Oof yeah it's Emet, somehow I felt like our ancient self showed up in the scene but it was only Emet
Other time our ancient self flashed is in that scene wih Elidibus right?
faint dagger
Like, count the whack-ass Ascian magic he employs in the trial, hell in any time he appears whatsoever in the game
Basically none
faint dagger
It's all powers he's called from the warriors of Light
faint dagger
like at least teleport and fire some deathbeams like the rest of em, mfer
half tendon
huh shit you're right
severe brook
if all the ascians fought the same it'd probably get really boring again
that's why emet-selch and elidibus were each distinct
half tendon
i think that is a different mask
heady shadow
Unless like Hytho said, we were basically a rebel and probably didnt wer the same cloak
faint dagger
Thing is I feel we'd recognise our mask
heady shadow
xD
faint dagger
So like, what design could it be that we already know
carmine basin
If anyone can grab the model from the game that'd be great xd
half tendon
Azem wore the exact same robes as everyone else but the sleeves torn off
SO that they could punch people better
jesus imagine an Ancient punching something
heady shadow
ugh ow
half tendon
unlimited creation magic powers but they're still like 20 feet tall
carmine basin
Or if anyone has better resolution, since i'm ps4
heady shadow
rip all the models
neat edge
they had so many years to think on their 'final' forms lol
heady shadow
btw.....
does anyone know what kind of model the devs use for our character? in cutscenes?
is it... just some weird Grey thing or something?
because I know theres no way in hell they could animate everyones cha5racter in a cutscene
faint dagger
the placeholder?
rugged basin
So, just finished the 5.3 MSQ. I didn't think it possible for the devs to top the 5.0 end, but they managed it in spades.
heady shadow
if thats what they call the thing for our character I guess?
Yeah they sure did
mkes me worry for 6.0
carmine basin
Tried viewing the vid at higher res and it seems our mask is just less pointy??
faint dagger
my brain is stuck in gear of 'eh shb was okay i guess' but this patch really did work
heady shadow
looks almost dark grey too
rugged basin
The devs probably utilize Ardbert's design. It's the default if you just click through character creation.
open verge
How many times have they used the ardbert slow walk in this game
heady shadow
many
viscid monolith
What's the issue with the Ancient design
heady shadow
uh wondering if its us or emet that elidibus sees
rugged basin
That was Emet
heady shadow
when he uh... accidently meets with us before he stabs graha
rugged basin
Oh yeah, that Was Azem
severe brook
ono
severe brook
i mean we already had nomura's involvement in Eden
heady shadow
""they are hard to deal with'' i think were his words
severe brook
i think if we were going to get a kingdom hearts event that was the chance
rugged basin
Now whether we're Azem reincarnated or not is a fun debate, but as for who Emet saw in his pre-fight cutscene and who Elidibus saw at the lookout was Azem.
severe brook
It's pretty clear that we're the Source Reincarnation of Azem
like how Ardbert was the First's Reincarnation of Azem
spare warren
""they are hard to deal with'' i think were his words
@heady shadow either way, you're not wrong
rugged basin
Oh I don't doubt the allusions toward it, just that it hasn't been stated outright.
viscid monolith
It's stated during the Trial
Wait no, right before the trial
There's no questioning it
carmine basin
For yours is the seat of Azem
rugged basin
Ah, I missed that. Too busy surviving. 😛
carmine basin
What's neat is that the title for completing 5.3 isn't reflections in crystal, but Shepherd of the Stars iirc
ashen coral
It's even stated earlier than that (although not directly stated like it is in the trial)
after the solo duty and you're talking with Hyth
when he starts talking about the Fourteenth, the pronoun he uses is actually gender specific
to your character
heady shadow
yeah
unreal wadi
man, when will GNB get more weapon designs
I'd kill for a tsukuyomi themed gunblade
unique verge
I'd kill for a SoS EX farm that knew how to do Phase 1/2
Last 3 parties ive been in have no new people yet cant handle the basics
rare sinew
Fuck
unreal wadi
unreal wadi
I just want the music scrolls man
carmine basin
They'll go down in price in weeks or months
turbid aspen
people freaking out over the archon bread reminds me of when people freaked out over the bread in the yakuza 7 trailer
unreal wadi
I want end of the unknown
turbid aspen
turbid aspen
rare sinew
I mean... this patch has had some TOP TIER stuff
open verge
For sure
rare sinew
Like the sweat that looks like.. uh.. something
open verge
I’m pretty busy rn
rare sinew
The fucking MILK CARTON
open verge
I need to do yokai
rare sinew
10/10 next gen animation