retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[iron birch]

You have charges now, ye

[brisk quail]

Requi buffs Confetior/Blade of Faith+Truth+Valor

[oak pike]

5 heat balsts and 1 normal gcd

[iron birch]

And also it lasts 10 seconds

[winged lagoon]

Do Conf/Blades consume Req stacks too?

Hard to tell

[brisk quail]

Yes

[shut oyster]

You could fit 5 and 1 normal gcd before the problem is that if you clipped once you couldn't

[oak pike]

yep

[shut oyster]

you losed a whole heat blast

[brisk quail]

The only reason Holy spirit can consume them is preEW

[winged lagoon]

Ah

[gusty osprey]

patch is going live at 2 am where I am

[brisk quail]

Or PreSB

[gusty osprey]

should I sleep now or stay up late

[keen osprey]

Wait, maybe i misread requiscat, but i thought it's still spam Holy Spirit, and finish off with confiteor combo?

[iron birch]

Latency too

[strange wing]

Seriously though. How can anyone look at Cover and not think to revamp that button

[brisk quail]

Nope

4 GCDs

[oak pike]

we back to atonement spam /s

[pulsar current]

fuck, unvamp it, it used to not cost gauge

[brisk quail]

The strongest 4 GCDs are your confetior combo

And you pop FoF for your Requi combo too

[granite nimbus]

What grants Goring Blade ready?

[keen osprey]

So what does this part mean?
"The additional effect "Grants Blade of Faith Ready when the effect of Requiescat ends" has been changed to "Grants Confiteor Ready.""

[shut oyster]

Now that they're stacks you should be able to fit all the heat blast + gcd just fine

[brisk quail]

Since it's now a flat damage bufd

[frigid isle]

Can someone send link to full patch notes

[coarse badger]

Paladin seems like a mix between war and gnb now

[pulsar current]

dont think there is

[pulsar current]

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/2ebebcdeedfecd2af0bf4cd5ce2d707e35f50d70/

[keen osprey]

I think it's just a GCD with a long cooldown that does big dmg

[brisk quail]

Nothing. It's an GCD

[frigid isle]

Ty ty

[pulsar current]

literally sonic break 2

[brisk quail]

Think of it like double down

Or blasting zone on GCD

It's big damage button that's it

[fiery warren]

I dont know how pally works is this a good or bad change

[plush summit]

Wait MCH got a W?

[fiery warren]

Looks like they deal a lot less dmg now

[oak pike]

@brisk quail some workshopping opener from pld lounge

[teal salmon]

Big

[plush summit]

[wispy bolt]

https://www.diffchecker.com/4cqsvsVN/

[brisk quail]

Hmmm.... they forgot the OGCDs but I like

[carmine hollow]

ok i know ive been angry about this before but is there LEGIT no way to fit all the PLD skills on the cross hotbar like the one in the pic for example. i know i can add the 3rd one but im already using it for other shit and whyyyyy is pld the only one that cant fit the standard cross hotbar???

[brisk quail]

Better than two attone or REQUI BEING WAY TOO EARLY

[iron birch]

They got reprisal and charges for wildfire/hypercharge

[crystal arrow]

you absolutely can fit everything

[keen osprey]

Hmm, idk, it's a little complicated. We lost our dots and our combos are different now. Our burst windows are broken apart and redistributed.
It will take alot of testing to see if it helped or hinder us

[tawny relic]

Confiteor doesn't end Requiescat

[brisk quail]

It's combined into one tbh

The burst window is now combined into one

[coarse badger]

looking at the numbers they seem big as hell. prob to compensate for DOT loss

[keen osprey]

Personally i'm most concerned about Sheltron. By making it another mitigating skill, does that mean that we can't stack it with another mitigating skill with no diminishing returns anymore?

[plush summit]

Sorry I’m a bit dumb but what does charges exactly mean?

[carmine hollow]

on these 32 buttons? cus i already couldnt fit shield bash pre update

[oak pike]

still get diminsihing returns cause buffs stack multiplicative

[violet lichen]

any PLD mains have a general consensus on new PLD buffs? how much of a change is the rotation (123 till goring up?)

[tawny relic]

What jobs do you play?

[strange wing]

I won't be toxic against controller players

[crystal arrow]

you have four mounts on your hotbars when you could just favorite and pick a random one from that...

[brisk quail]

Massive change to rotation. Same core ideas

[crystal arrow]

that's why

[strange wing]

I must be better than that

[keen osprey]

I know that. I meant previously when it was a skill to guarantee block, block and a mitigation skill could stack with no diminishing returns

[plush summit]

Samurai, Dark Knight, White Mage primarily

[carmine hollow]

this isnt my hotbar lol its a google one

[late aurora]

Or just use the mount roulette

[tawny relic]

Like Meikyo or Blood Weapon

[iron birch]

Essentially you get 5 stacks (like war fell cleave) and you consume one each time you pressed the altered skill

[carmine hollow]

its just a google one showing the amount of slots i use

[iron birch]

But ye, like drk delirium iirc

[gusty osprey]

does someone have a better resolution picture of the pvp gear

[plush summit]

Oh interesting. So it’s not as tight to pull off then, probably?

[iron birch]

Ye

[hasty oasis]

hey paladin mains, what do you think about the changes? i don't understand anything lol

[iron birch]

Hypercharge also lasts 10 seconds and wildfire caps at 6 now

[keen osprey]

Idk... overall i'm not a fan of the new changes so far... Is this how SMN/MNK/NINs usually feel?

[gaunt star]

I’m glad they gave MCH some utility

[shut oyster]

and fixed hypercharge

lol

[iron birch]

Ok changes, new rotation, wait for people to whip out how it works and crank the numbers

It is essentially a bit different, so you could like it now or not

[brisk quail]

PLD got big changes. Burst is streamlined and quicker to push out damage. PLD is now like a hybrid of WAR and GNB for their DPS while still retaining a large ability to be mobile

[plain dove]

BRD having essentially Mantra now is kinda nice.

[shut oyster]

Basically machinist is now a job with good consistent damage that doesn't depend heavily of your group performance, it's more accessible now and it has two pretty good mitigations

[brisk quail]

Since their 123 combo now gives free uses ofa buffed instant cast holy spirit

[subtle pasture]

I’d imagine you can look forward to a Divine Might trait upgrade in 7.0 that’ll make spells free

[hasty oasis]

ohhh that sounds interesting, i might give it a try when servers go live

[shut oyster]

so I say machinist should be chilling for the most part now

[crimson pollen]

So, whats the verdict over paladin changes?

[torpid yoke]

We have to wait for server up

[subtle pasture]

It went from DRK clone to an alternate gunbreaker, it seems

[coarse badger]

wait so it is like holy gunbreaker

[torpid yoke]

Looking good

[crimson pollen]

Seems gonna need to regain muscle memory big time by what I'm reading about PLD, looool

[plain dove]

Anyone else find it weird that we have a none Requescat potency for confiteor combo, when it looks like we can only do it during requiescat?

[torpid yoke]

Also the tank stance releases

[sour perch]

i was gonna say, that is weird

[reef edge]

Decent mit changes, rotational changes could be worse. They seemed to manage to not completely make it clone WAR or GNB

[gaunt star]

I need to see more info about how the PLD rotation feels, changes don’t seem bad at a glance though and I like the divine veil change and getting a new cooldown that still acknowledges blocking

[torpid yoke]

Small qol u wouldn't think about but is nice

[karmic wyvern]

They finally are allowing disabling right click party select. It drives me nuts when I keep untargeting boss not realizing it.

[iron birch]

TBF given how many time I forget my stance is on/off

[sour perch]

it's definitely a lot more similar to gnb and stuff but it's, not, like disastrously bad like some people were expecting

[iron birch]

I get why

[shut oyster]

tank stance release is still weird idk

[reef edge]

You could blow all your req stacks on HS if you wanted

[iron birch]

Mostly cause sometimes it turns off while entering/exting some stuff

And you don't notice

Or fat finger it, ye

[sour perch]

it's less rigid and nuanced because of the dot removal but at least it has filler in the form of divine might holy spirit for alignment purposes

[hasty oasis]

it looks like all tanks now have a clarification when you have tank stance on and off: Royal Guard -> Release Royal Guard

[brisk quail]

But it'd be WAY more effective to burn it immediately on confetior combo since it's 4 GCDs

[plain dove]

I get the feeling Divine might might act as Confiteor ready for a single use, so we are cycling through the swords as we do our combos.

[crimson pollen]

Yeah, Divine Veil's shield seems interesting. Wonder if its gonna be like the PVP shield PLD has

[brisk quail]

No

[sour perch]

but i'd have to play it to see if it's anything besides 'burst at 60s with no alignment'

[torpid yoke]

It's purely to tell you have the stance on

[brisk quail]

Divine might is a movement tool

[plush summit]

Well this makes me happy as a controller player to get into MCH, I was never good at doing the heat blast spam

[iron birch]

Pretty much

[thick totem]

Overall I'm pretty happy with the PLD changes. They took something away, but added something new. That's honestly really rare for them. Usually they just take stuff.

[violet lichen]

do we know if divine might stacks now

[iron birch]

It is a thing they had already

[keen osprey]

EXACTLY
I could could get away with not looking at PLD's hotbar and just do braindead static rotations by pure muscle memory alone. But now i have to remember everything all over again lol

[subtle pasture]

They actually do have base potencies, so you definitely wanna spend Requi’s stacks on them

[reef edge]

Yes, req should absolutely be used on confetti

[worldly roost]

it's a nice visual cue

[brisk quail]

You use it with holy spirit in-between 123s to move

[iron birch]

But for dancer

[gaunt star]

So you get a movement tool every Royal combo? That sounds really good honestly

[torpid yoke]

Goring blade is blasting zone now

[brisk quail]

Yes

[torpid yoke]

[brisk quail]

And it's a potency gain

[wary perch]

look like 123 and holy spirit spam until fof and requi back up

[reef edge]

We don't know but signs point to no

[oak pike]

so paladin burst is confetti combo, HS, then 2 tones

[plain dove]

SGE changes are nice. Not big, but nice.

[hasty oasis]

And remember, in 7.0 DRK will change to be similar to PLD, and the cycle continues

[brisk quail]

Unless you're struggling with MP

[brisk quail]

NO

[gaunt star]

That’s nice, they kept the identity of Paladin being a caster tank then

[brisk quail]

I DON'T WANNA GO BACK

[tulip viper]

Tank stance release looks a little weird, happy for the mch boosts. Pld i gotta try again sometime

[brisk quail]

SHUT UP @oak pike

DON'T SPEAK ABOUT THAT CURSED COMBO ANYMORE

[crimson pollen]

Yeah, gladly they kept the "holy" theme of the job and the ranged possibilities

[tulip viper]

Cursed combo

[brisk quail]

You're going to will it into existence if you keep going

[reef edge]

Drop an atonement uwu

[oak pike]

20 seconds to fit 8 gcd

[gusty osprey]

????

[oak pike]

so confetting 4 gcd, HS 5th, two atonements filler

[tulip viper]

Aw yes one whole second!

[iron birch]

Visual cue for stance on/off

That's all

[brisk quail]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[tulip viper]

[gusty osprey]

I know that

[little ingot]

Where are you guys seeing the paladin changes

[gusty osprey]

it just seems useless

[tulip viper]

Patch notes are up already (:

[iron birch]

You'd be surprised

[next gulch]

Huge ~33% reduction to skill CD!

[gusty osprey]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/764840557caa22a8f77550b480aa3c79b2e733d2

[oak pike]

oh yeah and goring to make it 8

[subtle pasture]

Stances being reduced to 2s makes the Release buttons even weirder, tbh

[plain dove]

makes the toggle faster and you don't have to worry now that on and off are seperate buttons

[tulip viper]

Ayyy that is huge!

[iron birch]

How so

[oak pike]

so goring, confetting combo, HS, two Tones

[reef edge]

I wish there was an option to merge on and off to reduce bloat

[subtle pasture]

Like why not just make stances turn into the Releases, yeah

[brisk quail]

Lemme just... just do the math. Okay?😭

[tulip viper]

Someday I'll try drk too. I love gnb too much though.

[iron birch]

Pretty sure it is what happens Pash

[plain dove]

they already were

[oak pike]

holy spirit deals more than aotnement 😏

[hasty oasis]

wow shake it off has a healing over time now, more healing for warriors

[iron birch]

Like dancer dance partner

[crimson pollen]

So FOF is gonna make the Magic Combo even strongeer now, as well? Damn, thats a nice boost

[oak pike]

450 > 380

[tulip viper]

Slight DNC changes are nice!

[plain dove]

for 5 less seconds tho

[subtle pasture]

The job guide doesn’t specify “this action cannot be assigned to the hotbar,”

[signal folio]

you dont understand now we can turn stance on and immediately turn it off instead of waiting 2 seconds, very importan

[subtle pasture]

So hopefully it’s just an error on that end

[signal folio]

ot

[low nexus]

What is that extra button poo to remove stance

[iron birch]

Neither it does for ending and closed position

Cause you can technically assing it tbf

[signal folio]

it's not an error because the original tank stance still will turn it off if you repress it

[plain dove]

they way it was written made it seem they were seperate buttons now. As you can still fat finger the on/off if they are just swapping.

[signal folio]

press again, not repress

[plain dove]

need we remember the mirage dive change?

[subtle pasture]

Huh, so it doesn’t, nvm then

[keen osprey]

Correct me if i'm wrong, does that mean the req combo is now:
Requiescat > Confiteor > Blade of Faith > Blade of Truth > Blade of Valor (Req ends, confiteor prepped) > Confiteor > Blade of Faith > Blade of Truth > Blade of Valor

[iron birch]

If you assing ending it turns into closed position iirc

[signal folio]

very weird change, i wonder if somehow this allows them to keep tank stance on while syncing down? that's the only reason i can think of

[iron birch]

But ye, they just borrowed it from there

[crimson pollen]

Well, now Divine Veil might be EXTEMELY useful... we will see. Seems good shit.

[plain dove]

We don't now if Confiteor ready is consumed or not, it prob is so only 1 combo

[gaunt star]

So PLD doesn’t have any 120 second damage cooldowns? They just basically do goring and their req phase every 60 so it is like gunbreaker in the sense that it is a very 60s focused just without GNB’s 120 bloodfest. I’m guessing in 7.0 PLD will get a chunky 120s button

[oak pike]

im seeing 7092 pot for burst for paladin including ogcd

[gusty osprey]

what does this mean

[wary perch]

it still the same except now its doesnt need healer to pop it

[hasty oasis]

The only doubt i have is that now we can swim dive in upper la noscea, how does this influence in PLD?

[glossy hemlock]

Waiting patiently for datamine

[oak pike]

just a new icon to turn stance off

[brisk quail]

NO. HAH. YOU'RE WRONG. IF WE DO A 2.46 GCD ROTATION WE'LL USE 4 MAGIC GCDs AT 2.5 FOR CONFETI COMBO AND THEN A 123 WITH A HOLY SPIRIT MAKING IT A ROUND 19.84 second BURST WINDOW

[pulsar current]

for more clarity for new players

[brisk quail]

NO 2 ATTONEMENT

[keen osprey]

I hope so. I don't like the idea of having to do it twice because it seems to make it look less impressive

[brisk quail]

SEE I MATHED

[pulsar current]

button still works the same for you @gusty osprey

[iron birch]

Ye

[oak pike]

why would you 123 during FoF

[iron birch]

Just qol stuff

[plain dove]

We get Confiteor at the begining of Req now, so it prob is only once per req use.

[keen osprey]

OHHH

[brisk quail]

C-cuz you're exiting Requi

[crimson pollen]

So pld is now a 60 sec for max DPS rotation?

[oak pike]

atonemtn is 380

[gaunt star]

cover hasn't been changed

does anyone at SE play this game man

[plain dove]

just delet it, it is only used for meme

[dusk drift]

wait...
do you use FoF and Requi at the same time now?

[gaunt star]

yes @dusk drift

[granite nimbus]

In fairness, Cover used to be broken for certain mechs.

[dusk drift]

WHY

[oak pike]

yep @dusk drift

[gaunt star]

the meme is now real

[plain dove]

it affects all damage now

[oak pike]

paladin is now a hard 60 second job

[gaunt star]

because fof is generic dmg up and not phys dmg up

[hasty oasis]

A few months ago I had a tank sprout in Aurum Vale pressing his tank stance everytime, maybe this QoL change could help to avoid that but it still requires to read the tooltips lol

[dusk drift]

no i understand that

i'm asking why they would do that

[keen osprey]

i'm sad Intervention still can't be used on ourselves

[dusk drift]

why make that change it's so dumb

[plain dove]

for better burst.

[violet lichen]

2min

[crimson pollen]

60 second pally seems interesting from SE. Are they trying a new approach starting by PLD then?

[wind bough]

it’s always had diminishing returns. Block is a 20% mit which multiplies with other mits, the same as any mit. The reason it’s normal practice to stack them wasn’t because of that, it’s because it’s a short cd (well gauge spender but effectively similar idea) so you want to be using it often.

[plain dove]

was the literal point of the rework

[odd yoke]

It's literally so they fit into the 2min meta, nothing new

[tight marlin]

they gave MCH a damage reduction
they're gonna be like
look at me
i am the damage mitigation king now

[dusk drift]

Paladin's problem was the awkward overlap between fof and req why would they make it even more awkward

[subtle pasture]

Because Confiteor combo is now the sole burst window, within requi instead of chained after

[keen osprey]

Oh.... ohhhhhhhh
I had assumed (or was told, i can't remember) all this time that block could stack with mitigation with no penalties

[dusk drift]

now you gotta get Goring ready, pop FoF, gore, then immediately pivot into casting

[plain dove]

Yeah, FoF is now saved for req, since Confiteor is the best use of it.

[crimson pollen]

Damn, they boosted Expiacion even more, lol. Someday this thing gonna be a 1k dmg

[dusk drift]

[oak pike]

@brisk quail have fun magic bursting with tones being filler

[subtle pasture]

Requi is now your uhh

[keen osprey]

Feels like if u fck up with your FoF timing now, your entire rotation and parse goes to shit

[subtle pasture]

What starts GNB’s other combo

[brisk quail]

As... as long as it isn't two attones

[fossil basalt]

Tbh, new Pally looks fun, was super scared they were gonna dumb it down.

[odd yoke]

Gnashing

[gritty beacon]

does anyone know when the update goes live? (not when maintenance ends)

[brisk quail]

Gnashing fang

[plain dove]

yeah, PLD is kinda just, GNB with a shield now lmao

[oak pike]

its two tones unless you stack sks

[brisk quail]

GNB but with shield and movement tech every 123 combo

You can SCHMOOVE

[oak pike]

hard 12.5 seconds dedidcated to magic

[iron birch]

Totally didn't expect them to copy another of their tank jobs for pld /s

[tulip viper]

Tempted to try pld then

[plain dove]

ye, GNB gets powder with 123, PLD gets schmoovement

[granite nimbus]

2 AM PST.

[crimson pollen]

The XIV tank roles forum can rest easy now I guess, it wasnt the tragedy for PLD

[dusk drift]

that was how it was before too lmao
it's just even worse now

[keen osprey]

I'm wondering if this is a good time to learn GNB instead. Always liked GNB but found it hard to play
Now that my muscle memory for PLD is gone, i could take this chance to learn a new class

[tight marlin]

wait wtf is Goring blade an ogcd now?

[pulsar current]

its sonic break

[tight marlin]

or is it just sonic break

[odd yoke]

No, 60s gcd

[oak pike]

nope @tight marlin

[plain dove]

this is how all jobs are with buffs though

[keen osprey]

Still a GCD, but with long cooldown

[oak pike]

60 second hard hitting gcd

[brisk quail]

GCD, but independent. Doubledown

[brisk quail]

Or drill

[plain dove]

no, gcd with seperate cooldown

[odd yoke]

Chainsaw basically

[pulsar current]

finally, 2 damage

[crimson pollen]

lmao

[earnest vine]

Goring is just Doubledown now. Still GCD

[tight marlin]

GNB: we get a 60 second stab DoT and a cross slash double down thing

PLD: spin?

[brisk quail]

Farewell shitty son. No one liked you anyways. Stupid fucking 21 second dot

[tight marlin]

ok divine veil is just....a fucking barrier without the self heal now ok

[brisk quail]

Good change. It has shield and heal. Very nice

[plain dove]

it still has the heal

[tulip viper]

PLD spin2win post patch?

[odd yoke]

Yeah it's just shake now

[pulsar current]

speen

[iron birch]

Heal comes later

[oak pike]

paldin spin to win always

[iron birch]

Trait upgrade

[gaunt star]

Divine veil is a very good button now

[plain dove]

you just don't have to pop the veil now

[brisk quail]

Divine Veil good

[tulip viper]

My dream of becoming a beyblade. Time to main PLD!

[brisk quail]

No more jank

[iron birch]

Divine veil is that war skill

The one that hits all the party

[odd yoke]

Shake it.off

Without the cooldown eating

[brisk quail]

No, you're thinking of succor

[gaunt star]

Now PLD has a party barrier without the extra steps plus Passage so it feels a little more like the “protection tank”

[odd yoke]

I like having bulwark back, I always felt like pld was missing that 1 'extra" cooldown

[iron birch]

Ye, succor

[brisk quail]

It always was

[iron birch]

Divine veil is that with a shield

Kinda

[gaunt star]

And bulwark keeps blocking a thing which is nice

[brisk quail]

Bulwark is Sheltron the 90 second cooldown

[iron birch]

Cover time baby

[brisk quail]

And now we have a flat 15% mit as spammable button

[teal salmon]

!trait Enhanced Divine Veil

[lusty shadow]

**Enhanced Divine Veil** : lvl 88 PLD

Adds a healing effect to Divine Veil.
Cure Potency: 400

Powered by XIVAPI

[prime niche]

Oh I see what they did with reducing recast times...they'll line up with 2 minutes now

[teal salmon]

Yep

[brisk quail]

PLD is a 1 minute job

[teal salmon]

I’m just happy more assize

[brisk quail]

Fuck two minutes

[iron birch]

They essentially shot down pld, ye

[shut oyster]

you get to do more assizes now

[brisk quail]

All my homies hate even minutes

[shut oyster]

that's funny

[prime niche]

Well yes, but I was talking everyone else lol

[brisk quail]

We all about those odd damage minutes

[gaunt star]

Bulwark is just camouflage now, which isn’t helping with the GNB similarity allegations

[prime niche]

Paladin I have no opinion since I didn't really play it, but maybe I'll try it now that it's not such a punishing rotation compared to other tanks

[brisk quail]

PLD is just a GNB/WAR/SCH with Red mage movement

[iron birch]

The 1 monk player in shamble

[fading gorge]

where are you all reading these changes?

[brisk quail]

[crimson pollen]

Is there any other 1 min job like PLD now? Seems a new thing from SE, really

[oak pike]

i mean bulwark is 20% mitigation instead of 10% and the occasional 15% parry

[prime niche]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/paladin/

[iron birch]

At riddle of earth nerf

[shut oyster]

Actually getting the two phlegmas to line up every 2 minutes is not gonna be a pain in the ass like it was before at least

[oak pike]

gunbraker

[strange wing]

Isn't warrior 1 min?

[primal basalt]

thought all the tanks were 1 minute

[oak pike]

and warrior

[gaunt star]

True actually you’re right

PLD big boi

[fading gorge]

where can i read changes to other jobs if any?

[odd yoke]

There's a fuck ton of 1min cooldowns

[brisk quail]

PLD finally has big buttons

[oak pike]

DRK living shadow and shadowbringer are 2 mins

[brisk quail]

I'm so proud

[keen osprey]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/764840557caa22a8f77550b480aa3c79b2e733d2

[oak pike]

PLD always had big buttons

[odd yoke]

All tanks, Riddle of fire, trick, Summoner trance

[brisk quail]

Buttons that actually deal more than 600 potency

[oak pike]

its called confetting

😏

[brisk quail]

[prime niche]

Sadge they don't have new crafting recipes up yet

[odd yoke]

This is far from a new thing

[thin sail]

So basically,

Goring Blade = Sonic Break
Bulwark = Camouflage
Divine Veil = Shake It Off
Confiteor = Double Down

[brisk quail]

And that aren't dumb DoTs

[gaunt star]

its a gnb

with a sword

LMAO

[strange wing]

I'll take Gunborker

[teal salmon]

Bulwark is block

[strange wing]

Over Warrior 3

[thin sail]

I know, I meant the overall feeling

[oak pike]

confetting is Gnasing fang but no continuation tbh

[gaunt star]

People who like flexibility might prefer the new PLD, while people who like planning and the two phases will miss the old PLD. New PLD might honestly feel like ninja for tanks with the mix of melee and then using a ranged attack for mechanics

[thin sail]

It's a secondary defensive

[frigid isle]

Wait tank stances still have just 1 button right? The notes make it sound like there’s 2

[reef edge]

Can you wait 3 GCDs before starting a burst window?

[brisk quail]

Good comparison

[signal folio]

theres 2 now looks like

[weary yoke]

presumably the second button takes the place of the first while in stance

[frigid isle]

W T F but why

[signal folio]

no clue

[teal salmon]

They also reduced the cd

[fading gorge]

should yoshi p add a poll asking whats more important to you all: job identity or balance?

[brisk quail]

PLD has the ability to exit melee range for some time due to ranged GCDs

[keen osprey]

Hmm, they nerfed Bard's Nature's Minne? I don't play Bard outside of grinding for levels, but was it a significant action that they needed to nerf it?

[teal salmon]

People fat-fingering tank stance

[odd yoke]

Probably just toggle and change to it, so.you don't double tap and turn it off

[prime niche]

Probably so people aren't like "lol accident xd"

[thin sail]

2 buttons for stance now which is super weird tbh

[brisk quail]

2 attonement combos

[gaunt star]

I could see myself preferring the new PLD because I tend to like jobs with some flexibility

[teal salmon]

It’s aoe now

[iron birch]

It is just one prob

It just changes icon

[keen osprey]

OHHHHH, i get it now. Thanks

[oak pike]

bard basically got a mantra

[signal folio]

but it still double taps to turn off so that doesn't make sense

[wind bough]

The tank stance buttons still say “effect ends upon reuse”

[frigid isle]

Why would ppl accidently press it again, it should he key binded faaaaaar away

[prime niche]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[iron birch]

Same as dance partner

[odd yoke]

Cause they double click it to turn it on

[prime niche]

Although you know what I wish...

[dusk drift]

so what i'm reading overall from the PLD changes is that "we knockoff Warrior now"

[prime niche]

That stance wouldn't fall off in level sync

because WHY

[reef edge]

Not quite

[dusk drift]

which is like
we already had DRK for that

[reef edge]

It's a mix of GNB and WAR

[prime niche]

annoying being tank in fate farming lmao

[wind bough]

They’re gnb war mix

[reef edge]

I don't think it's as bad as the DRK treatment

[odd yoke]

It goes om cooldown so it won't turn off from double click

[unreal echo]

also, whooooooo, MCH buffs

[thin sail]

For tank stances it will become like this:

Stance: Normal toggle as we have now, with a reduced cast time.
Release stance: Forces stance buff to be disabled.

[signal folio]

well i know that but it had a 3 second cooldown before so it shouldn't have done that anyway

[viscid monolith]

It's not that it's a knock off Warrior and more that Warrior is so stupidly simple that any pruning makes it look like Warrior

[thin sail]

So you don't need a new bind

[dusk drift]

no it's just WAR
they removed the DoTs
they compressed the two burst windows into one

[gaunt star]

Imagine if you could get two stacks of divine might lol

now they just need to let me

sheltron ppl

[torpid vigil]

Are we getting more of the relic quest today?

[gaunt star]

That’s what intervention is for lol

[keen osprey]

i don't get it. Why did they give us Release [Tank stance] actions? Is our tank stance no longer a toggle? Do we need to make space in our hotbar for a release action if we ever need to?

[chilly bluff]

March

[odd yoke]

No, that's 6.35

[dusk drift]

like i dunno what gnb influence is there that y'all're seeing

[strange wing]

Two months

Suffer

[torpid vigil]

Sadge

[carmine hollow]

wait so whats the new pld rotation lookin like

[wind bough]

The main tank stance button still says “effect ends upon reuse”

[thin sail]

For tank stances it will become like this:

Stance: Normal toggle as we have now, with a reduced cast time.
Release stance: Forces stance buff to be disabled.

[fading gorge]

i kinda wish toxikon was a dot instead. mobility alone isn't enough to make it feel special enough to have its own icons no matter how useful that is

[keen osprey]

Okay... that's... wierd... like... why then? What's the point of the new actions?

[thin sail]

No change to the current Stance ability. It just adds another one that forces it to disable

[iron birch]

Visual clarity

Just qol stuff

[brisk quail]

Press FoF + Requi. Confetior + Blade combo. Goring blade as flat damage button use attonements you stocked up.

123 holy spirit attonement spam, repeat

[keen osprey]

... okay?

[iron birch]

A lot of people forget their stance is on/off or fat finger it

[weary yoke]

hopefully to make it obvious to sprout tanks not to use it as part of their rotation

[fading gorge]

would it be nice if shirk and provoke also changed your tank stance on or off? so shirk turned it off as well and provoke turned it on

[iron birch]

And you're more likely to see the icon on the hotbar than the buff on the party list

[thin sail]

No

[iron birch]

Nah

[signal folio]

no then you'd need to turn it right back on for some fights

[iron birch]

Shirks and provoke are for managing aggro with stance on

[gaunt star]

Both are 60 second job with a 60 GCD cooldown (sonic break and goring), during 60s they get a special GCD combo (continuation and confietor combos, although that’s every 30s for GNB), and their 123 GCD combos proc a special fourth GCD (burst strike and Holy Spirit)

[fading gorge]

ah ok, my bad

[wind bough]

No way

[signal folio]

provoke turning it on wouldn't be bad but not really necessary

[wind bough]

As OT you still want tank stance on. Often offtank mechanics will target the player second on the aggro table

[gaunt star]

It’s much more similar to GNB than WAR. Also bulwark is very similar to camo

[crimson pollen]

oh they kept PLD CoS... cool cool cool

[dusk drift]

Inner Release has a 123 combo

[fading gorge]

i did not know that, i just that bosses targeted by role and only person with current highest aggro got specific mechanics

[sour perch]

what time does the patch end i am too lazy to swap pages to look myself, like a responsible adult

[dusk drift]

1 Fell Cleave, 2 Fell Cleave, 3 Fell Cleave

[weary yoke]

responsible adults can go look rather than getting spoonfed

[sour perch]

yeah i'm not a responsible adult

[wind bough]

Some bosses do target by role but especially in savage it’s often aggro based

For like double tankbusters

[little ingot]

Why did they nerf so many actions for paladin 😩

[strange wing]

FoF plus Req

[thin sail]

Offset by big buttons

[oak pike]

cause a lot of actions gonna be under buffs

[dusk drift]

because now Fight or Flight affects all dmamage, not just physical

[strange wing]

Plus party buffs

[iron birch]

TL:Dr they changed the job

[gaunt star]

I’m dumb I forgot about FoF

[tight marlin]

imagine doing a sword pose prepping yourself to swing your sword even harder

and then your magic blasts hit harder

[wind bough]

The intention of this change is overall intended to be a buff for PLD due to making them burst focused to gel with burst meta

[brisk quail]

Which it does well at a glance

[thin sail]

Well you still use your sword to cast said magic xD

[random crescent]

are there any chages for DRK so far?

[tight marlin]

m8 u just t-pose violently

dont even need the sword

[dusk drift]

i liked PLD having two mini-bursts instead of one big one

[signal folio]

drk got a huge tank stance off button

[torpid vigil]

anything on whm?

[thin sail]

Assize on 40s

[dusk drift]

i wanted them to be properly spearated, not to have one of them smushed into the other

[odd yoke]

Assize -5s

[shut oyster]

more assize

[primal basalt]

assize is 40s now

[torpid vigil]

oh ok, decent

ty

[oak pike]

stolen from pld lounge

[little ingot]

HUH

[rain onyx]

DAMNIT ITS STILL 63 SECONDS

[wind bough]

Lmao

[rain onyx]

[sleek kestrel]

kek

[brave crater]

63 sec

[odd yoke]

Just meld more sks

[iron birch]

TBF ye

I like it is a 60 second job

[thin sail]

It's still kinda trash that they force us to use magic in the combo using Spell Speed. If they reworked the damm thing just make it use your normal GCD timer

[iron birch]

And under 2 minute you just press the buff button

[wind bough]

It’s cause of spells

[crimson pollen]

400 cure potency for divine veil by itself, still good stuff

[ember tulip]

GNB cycle is also 1 minute

[oak pike]

now

[thin sail]

Still a big unadressed issue that should've been covered on the rework

[keen osprey]

Wdym? Divine Might gives increased potency and instantcast no?

[pulsar current]

You have a new toggle stance off button

[oak pike]

how easy it is to go into burst phase thats the bigger question

[thin sail]

It's about recast

[sour perch]

63 SECONDS FOREVA

[ember tulip]

Isn't goring blade not shared gcd?

[gaunt star]

As a monk main I know this is a nerf (ROE was broken before) but I also wanted this button to be more like the PVP version and incorporate healing

[sour perch]

yeah it's just like drill or sonic breka now

[gaunt star]

120 seconds though yeesh

[oak pike]

going blade is just a single target heavy hit gcd

[little ingot]

Man... Just as I perfected my rotation for 5th circle savage as paladin 😂

[iron birch]

Meanwhile reaper shield goes brr

[signal folio]

reaper shield goes sleep

[iron birch]

It is pretty useless

It that's any healing cooldown on DPS

Aside maybe shield samba

[signal folio]

i feel like with arcane crest on i still take the damage everyone else is taking lol

[strange wing]

ROE wasn't broken it was just useless?

[signal folio]

plus the healing is all wasted

[iron birch]

You are, ye

[gaunt star]

ROE was an amazing button lol

[iron birch]

And the healing doesn't matter cause the healers heal the same

[fading gorge]

so wait was ROE buffed or nerfed? why am i getting conflicting opinions?

[shut oyster]

arcane crest it's eh

[strange wing]

ROE was/is great in pvp

[teal salmon]

!action Riddle of Earth

[iron birch]

It's not like they're stopping from using that one ogcd cause you pressed it

[lusty shadow]

**Riddle of Earth** : lvl 64 MNK (30.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Grants 3 stacks of Riddle of Earth, each stack reducing damage taken by 20%.
Duration: 10s
Maximum Charges: 3
Effect ends when time expires or upon execution of three weaponskills.

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[signal folio]

at least sam gets a little guage from theirs

[sour perch]

@shut oyster

[iron birch]

Uronically

I wouldn't mind if arcane gave gauge

[strange wing]

In PvE in order to make it last you have to not hit buttons

[iron birch]

But they can't do that either

[shut oyster]

good for him

[sour perch]

arcane and harvest moon should give gauge

[crimson pollen]

Dat Req Holy Spirit with 650 potency gonna hit like a truck, boi... damn

[oak pike]

oh i realized my paladin math is even more wrong

i forgot to add in req

[iron birch]

Since how much gauge you gain ties into your rotation a lot and giving extra gauge might offset it

[shut oyster]

harvest moon is fucking weird

it's such a "yeah it's there, it is one of the buttons that exist" buttons of all time

[oak pike]

7812 pot under fof

[sour perch]

it has a clear purpose but it is definitely underwhelming

[odd yoke]

It's great for uptime

[gaunt star]

its 8 years from now. PLD has been through 300 reworks. it still has a 63s loop.

[iron birch]

It is there for fights with long downtime, ue

[gaunt star]

20% mit for roughly 7 seconds and you get three charges of it on a 30 second cooldown. It was stupid lol

[shut oyster]

it's good but yeah it's also underwhelming

[oak pike]

think thats about gnb pot or little under

[iron birch]

It is just that they stopped designing fights with down time too

Kek

[signal folio]

lmao

[shut oyster]

yeah that

there is barely fights where i'm like ok i'm charge this up

[iron birch]

You can use it in Zodiark, P3 and...

Dunno, that's it

[gaunt star]

So yea ROE was NERFED but it’s better thought out now

[signal folio]

p8s harvest moon you get 3

[teal salmon]

P7?

[viscid monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888912498101714954/1056310101868281916/1671801182811097.png

[iron birch]

Oh, ye, P8

P7 is full uptime too

[teal salmon]

Isn’t that Final Omega’s hitbox, actually?

[signal folio]

oh is that TOP hitbox?

[viscid monolith]

Maybe I don't remember

[shut oyster]

that's TOP hitbox yes

[frigid isle]

DISMANTLE

[signal folio]

lol

[viscid monolith]

Ya that's the hitbox for the upcoming Ultimate

Vs O11S

[shut oyster]

someone just catch up

yes machinist good now

rejoice

[gaunt star]

Machinist changes are great.

[little ingot]

So overall, this is a dps increase?

[glossy hemlock]

Speaking of hit boxes Endsinger has a ridiculous hit box lmao

[odd yoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glossy hemlock]

Like that’s the point

[shut oyster]

every big boss out of the arena fight has a ridiculous hit box

[glossy hemlock]

100% uptime fights why even have ranged tax

[iron birch]

It is there for the planet mechanic

[shut oyster]

but yeah endsinger is kinda specially hilarious

[odd yoke]

We'll have to see how the numbers fall for now but it will be easier to balance

[frigid isle]

BRUH we literally anticipated overheat having stacks

[iron birch]

But that's kinda it

[frigid isle]

Im literally shook

[shut oyster]

they way I predicted defensive utility

lmfaooo

[odd yoke]

We've been asking for it for years

[frigid isle]

I dont get the wildfire one

Since when did it have stacks

[odd yoke]

The stacks are just all high ping mitigation

[crimson pollen]

Damn, full Confi combo under Req has now 3300 potency. Cool beans.

[iron birch]

Also dismantle was an action that MCH had already

[odd yoke]

So you always get the max damage and hits

[iron birch]

They just lost it at some point

[shut oyster]

wildfire always had stacks

[frigid isle]

HUH

[shut oyster]

you have to do 6 gcds to make it explode hard

[frigid isle]

How does that work? I just press it on CD

[worldly roost]

makes me still wish they would either change SAM's meditate to be useful, turn it into an emote, or just remove it

[frigid isle]

OHHH

[shut oyster]

it always been that way

lmao

[frigid isle]

Wildfire had a timer?

[iron birch]

Nah, remove kaiten instead

[shut oyster]

Yeah

[frigid isle]

For how long 🤔

[wary perch]

Yea on the enemy

[frigid isle]

I clearly dont read my tooltip

[shut oyster]

!action wildfire

[lusty shadow]

**Wildfire** : lvl 45 MCH (120.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Covers target's body in a slow-burning pitch. Action is changed to Detonator for the duration of the effect.
Deals damage when time expires or upon executing Detonator.
Potency is increased by 240 for each of your own weaponskills you land prior to the end of the effect.
Duration: 10s

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[frigid isle]

I just assumed it was a uh “just press on CD” move

[teal salmon]

Same timer

[odd yoke]

You have 10s to do 6 hits for max damage

[iron birch]

Also wildfire didn't have stack

[odd yoke]

The stacks now visually show how many hits you got now

[iron birch]

It is just that you couldn't possibly do more than 6 skills

[shut oyster]

the problem wasn't wildfire anyways, it was hypercharge duration fucking you up

[frigid isle]

Wait was wildfire suppose to be used with hypercharge ….

[odd yoke]

Yes

[shut oyster]

y-yes

[weary yoke]

yes?

[tawny solar]

...yes

[odd yoke]

You're meant to do as.kany gcds as possible

[weary yoke]

the whole point is to dump as many gcds

[fading gorge]

which job took the L this patch? like even if just small

[pulsar current]

None

[shut oyster]

we found them ya'll, the sub optimal machinist

[fringe badger]

I haven't really dabbled with mch since 5.0. Does wildfire still ghost your 6th gcd if you use it right before wildfire ends?

[odd yoke]

Pld

[shut oyster]

get them

[frigid isle]

I am speechless

Its ok I was doing casual content with MCH lmao

I always had high emnity anyways 🥰

[pulsar current]

? You don’t need to press wf to detonate

[fading gorge]

will people finally not kick machist mains from savage content?

[pulsar current]

They weren’t before

[shut oyster]

Lowkei same I was always on top of the aggro list as machinist

lmfao

[fading gorge]

some were

[odd yoke]

Only dumbasses kicked mch

[fading gorge]

toxic/dumb people exist in all games

[pulsar current]

If they were bad yes

[odd yoke]

Like that 1 fucking idiot who refused a 99 parsing mch

[fringe badger]

Sorry, by it I meant the 6th gcd

[signal folio]

i think that mostly stopped with the last mch buff

suboptimal machinist yes

[pulsar current]

Tools will still ghost yes

[fringe badger]

Tools specifically... Oh

[ashen kelp]

... Yeah PLD's going to be a mess for a bit if they don't change the recast on our spells to be affected by SKS

[signal folio]

or subpar rather

[fringe badger]

Well that's surprisingly easy to fix

[frigid isle]

Ok so doubleweave wildfire + hypercharge? Thats how you do it?

[pulsar current]

It’s a way yes

[crimson pollen]

Confetti combo with req + fof has apparently 4125 potency now

naisu

[shut oyster]

I think is very funny how the machinist nation vs the paladin nation is right now

[sour perch]

you can get 6 gcds under, one normal and 5 heat blasts

[pulsar current]

Or use wf and another gcd then weave hyper

[sour perch]

so you can do like

[pulsar current]

Like the opener

[frigid isle]

I literally thought it was just a glorified detonation bomb that does damage after a coulple seconds…..

[pulsar current]

I mean kinda

[teal salmon]

Did you not read the tooltip,

[pulsar current]

But now it can crit!

[odd yoke]

This is why reading your skills is important

[viscid monolith]

Get the rotation from the ranged channel and please read your tooltips

[frigid isle]

I did but

[sour perch]

wildfire hypercharge -> 5 heat -> 1 gcd

[fading gorge]

what's a tooltip?

[sour perch]

or wildfire -> 1 gcd -> hypercharge -> 5 heat

[fading gorge]

i just press glowing buttons

[frigid isle]

I’m illiterate?¿?¿🙃

[odd yoke]

If only

[pulsar current]

To be fair I still don’t really know how ast skills work

[fringe badger]

No, people just being mean

[viscid monolith]

The old opener was 4 Heatblasts + 2 gcds

[odd yoke]

[pulsar current]

Yeah, it can

[fringe badger]

Nothing wrong with not knowing everything

[pulsar current]

Did

[odd yoke]

Where it say that

[pulsar current]

Did you not read that

[viscid monolith]

I don't know if that carried over into Endwalker though

[frigid isle]

Bestie IN MY DEFENSE i get high emnity as MCH so my gcd is always rolling lmfao

[pulsar current]

It’s not on the tooltip

[odd yoke]

I don't see it in the patch notes, just the stacks

I've never seen WF crit literally ever

[viscid monolith]

That just means your teammates are shit you don't have to be bad with them

[pulsar current]

Correct

[viscid monolith]

WF can't crit

[pulsar current]

It couldn’t before

And said so

[frigid isle]

It’s was all for casual content tho ofc

Like alliance raid roulette lol

[pulsar current]

Now there’s no statement on the job guide

[fringe badger]

High enmity just means you crit dh a lot

[iron birch]

You had to figure it out yourself tbf

[ashen kelp]

Full magic combo not counting the dot and req had 5,090 and didn't eat up 10 seconds of your precious FoF window

[iron birch]

Wildfire becomes stronger with more skills under it > you have a skill that makes you press buttons faster

[sour perch]

high emnity in casual content is not exactly a hard feat, all due respect

[fringe badger]

It's sort of the mythical copium we have. High enmity usually just means you're playing better than the other dps

[next gulch]

Higher enmity as DNC versus a DPS you're literally giving a free perma-buff on though

[shut oyster]

I saw someone complain about machinist buffs making bard useless on twitter hell yeah

[pulsar current]

Lmao that’s twitter

[shut oyster]

you love to see it

[pearl iris]

dancer makes bard useless lmao

[sour perch]

kid named nature's minne

[pulsar current]

Yeah natures mine buff is really nice

[odd yoke]

Bard just has mantra

[pulsar current]

Exactly what BRD needed to keep with dnc

[shut oyster]

it increases all healing actions or something?

[pulsar current]

I mean dnc still meta from prog and speeds prolly

[shut oyster]

what was it again I forgor

[pulsar current]

Used to be one target, now is aoe

So now EVERYONE gets it instead of like a tank or w/e

[shut oyster]

dancer is for the people that like to gamble on the RNG have a very good group that can make use of the damage buffs very nicely

[gaunt star]

machinist boys we did it we got the overheated stacks in

[shut oyster]

we also got the funny wrench

[odd yoke]

MCH no longer sucks at high ping (as badly)

[frigid isle]

I will now become an even better MCH LMAO

I dont main mch tho so idk if ill even play it in high end content

[fringe badger]

I think these buffs bring mch much closer in value to dnc and brd

Instead of just being a useless greed pick

[gaunt star]

these potency buffs are very welcomed

[viscid monolith]

What is the cd on Dismantle

[shut oyster]

120s

I think

[viscid monolith]

Aw man

It use to be 60 seconds

[shut oyster]

Don't forget you got tactician lol

[gaunt star]

wait whats that is that new?

[iron birch]

Tactician is also 120 s, ye?

[odd yoke]

90

[iron birch]

Ah, cool

[shut oyster]

it's 90s

[viscid monolith]

It's an old they brought back

[iron birch]

It is the old-new MCH skill

[odd yoke]

Dismantle was physical only before I think

[frigid isle]

Ok maybe my next BIS should he MCH after pld 🙈

[gaunt star]

how come it aint in the official notes?

[shut oyster]

yeah this affects both physical and magical damage wich is very good

[frigid isle]

Not me tryn get BiS for 4 jobs lmao

[odd yoke]

It is

New actions are in a different header under potency buffs

[fringe badger]

It's below the job changes

[gaunt star]

oh yooooooo

im so happy man

[fringe badger]

Seems like really good job changes for once

[gaunt star]

is the animation cool for dismantle?

[odd yoke]

You yeet a wrench at them

[gaunt star]

man that is perfect

[odd yoke]

It's the underhand throw

[fringe badger]

It's super plain if I remember.

[shut oyster]

just wait for papachin mods

[odd yoke]

It's the principle of yeeting a wrench

[shut oyster]

[fringe badger]

Ast had the much cooler animation with disable

[pulsar current]

Just checked with the balance wildfire can’t crit

[plain dove]

cause it's like a DoT isn't it?

[odd yoke]

Dots can crit

[plain dove]

just it tick once and very bieg.. oh

[frigid isle]

I hope there’s no janky animation lock during heat blasts

[viscid monolith]

Wildfire use to be massive damage

[odd yoke]

Dots critting was STORMBLOOD BRD main gimmick

[frigid isle]

It doesnt feel satisfying to weave in gaus and ricochet

[plain dove]

they didn't change heat blast at all, so shouldn't be.

[sour perch]

they didn't change the animation

[viscid monolith]

It use to compile 25% of your damage done and then explode

[gaunt star]

we got the stacks

[wind bough]

That’s the idea, and at a glance it seems like it should work out that way. Will see for sure when balance mentors math everything out

[odd yoke]

Heat blast has the standard animation lock all skills have

[viscid monolith]

So if you got a lot of lucky crits in a Wildfire window, it was effectively the same as Wildfire critting.

[gaunt star]

and an extra utility thing with dismantle

[plain dove]

just changed the use requirement to be charges instead of a strict timer

timer is also longer as well

[viscid monolith]

But I guess the balance team thought it was too bursty or had too much damage variance

[plain dove]

we have 10s now to spend the 5 charges.

[frigid isle]

Yeeee honestly the timers thing messes me up, sometimes i press heatblast an extra time when i should be continuing my 1-2-3 and it messes with my uptime

[gaunt star]

what time does this patch go live i want to play machinist already

[frigid isle]

I always have to count in my head when my heat blasts are over

[odd yoke]

The hypercharge stacks are basically a ping thing

[plain dove]

saaaaame

i always had to count

and even then i still messed up lmao

[sullen orbit]

I can't believe they finally did it tbh

[plain dove]

this is hilarious how accurate it is.

[frigid isle]

It feels satisfying when a drill or air anchor is right off CD after heat blasts

Like clearly i’m doing my rotation correctly lol

[pulsar current]

It’s a great way to ghost WF

[odd yoke]

Well you're not meant to hypercharge when tools are 8s or less away from being off cooldown

Otherwise you drift them

[sour perch]

^

[queen willow]

Can bulwark block tank buster or cleave? 😳

[frigid isle]

I haven’t optimized so its ok 🤭

[pulsar current]

That’s why I cap my mana on RDM!

[odd yoke]

It's literally just Sheltron

[frigid isle]

But now I’m second guessing maybe I should play MCH as my phys range main 👀

[pulsar current]

100/100 for full triple combo

[plain dove]

no

[queen willow]

[frigid isle]

PLSSS imagin pressing manafic when your manas are over 50

[ashen kelp]

I'd suggest putting machinist before PLD and I'm a former PLD main

[pulsar current]

Ye, feels good

[brazen trout]

did they add anything else other than the job changes?

[frigid isle]

Whyyyy

Cause i wanna play all roles

[queen willow]

At least iron will get a new icon to stance off

[ashen kelp]

Because FoF is now just a tighter GNB no mercy burst window

[frigid isle]

My current savage alt is SCH, i can get BiS with the new augmentation

[viscid monolith]

Yes and

Just put the burst in the burst window easy

[signal folio]

how is it tighter

[ashen kelp]

you have 10 seconds that you can't improve with sks that are eaten up by your magic combo

[frigid isle]

So uhh I havent read PLD update yet

Is it easier now to play lmfao

[gaunt star]

its something now

[frigid isle]

The magic phase always confused me tbh

[signal folio]

pld got much less to fit inside FoF

[ashen kelp]

No it's basically just a tighter GNB

[fringe badger]

Pld has a very straightforward opener I guess

[viscid monolith]

That looks like a very straightforward opener

[frigid isle]

No what confused me before was atonement combo then use holy spirit? But then my goring blade dot loses so much value

[fringe badger]

Just do 3 atonements, goring, confetti combo and hope your skillspeed is enough for royal to fit in as a 9th gcd

[frigid isle]

I honestly did not do a proper pld opener so idk Lmao

[carmine hollow]

In simple words, why do we use confetior immediately after requiscast instead now?

[granite nimbus]

Becaue Requiescat Combo is buffed by Requiescat now.

[frigid isle]

Is the 5 stacks magic phase still a thing

[granite nimbus]

This used to be not the case.

[queen willow]

GNB DoubleDown+Continuation Combo
200+240+280+380+460+540+1200=3300 potency

PLD Confiteor+Blade Combo
900+700+800+900=3300 potency

FoF & NoMercy = 20s 20% buff

[odd yoke]

Cause confeditor ended Requeisticat in 6.2

[queen willow]

[ashen kelp]

Because the stacks are used up by blade combo now

[fringe badger]

Confetti combo uses req stacks now, so you just do the combo

[odd yoke]

it doesn't anymore

[inland ether]

Is the patch available to download yet?

[viscid monolith]

This looks infinitely simpler than GNB what are people on

[carmine hollow]

Got it i must have misread thinking it still did

[brazen trout]

guys is the job changes the only thing thats added into the full patch notes? 🥹 yes or no

[oak pike]

fof still 25%

[fringe badger]

Maybe?

[carmine hollow]

Gotcha!

[gaunt star]

you will drop atonements until the end of time and you will like it

[odd yoke]

There's more...There's a difference checker somewhere

[glossy hemlock]

There is really minor stuff like bug fixes too.

[fringe badger]

Less dot management makes me happy. Pld was a headache with that shit

[ashen kelp]

PLD's dot management wasn't that much of a headache

[oak pike]

"An issue when playing in PvP duties wherein the damage dealt by the paladin action Holy Sheltron and the monk action Earth's Reply was not reduced by Guard or other means of damage reduction."

[pine epoch]

when patch drops be warned people might post datamine here at their own risk

[obtuse trout]

So I just woke up- how's the pld changed looking? I looked at the patch notes but tell me what u guys think about it :0c

[queen willow]

Oh right

[viscid monolith]

The dots were just kind of there. Pointless addition to the job.

[gaunt star]

[odd yoke]

Tldr basically gnb 2.0

[gaunt star]

its so joever...

[pulsar current]

Lovin them

[ashen kelp]

It's basically a tighter GNB

[queen willow]

So it does more than gnb but more simple(?)

[obtuse trout]

I See :0c

[gaunt star]

bulwark

[fringe badger]

It's a normal burst window

[plush summit]

I will now play mch

[obtuse trout]

They look good to me :0

Also Laos

[pulsar current]

More defense, like war is to DRK tbh

[obtuse trout]

Prayers have been answered

[oak pike]

imma redo my math rq to check

[gaunt star]

so far it looks like PLD has to drop atonements to not drift

[obtuse trout]

One of them

[fringe badger]

They were already dropping atonements

[gaunt star]

yeah

and it sucked

that was like part of the reason it needed to be changed

[odd yoke]

Just meld more speed 🙂

[obtuse trout]

Also the mch skill the new one nice.

[odd yoke]

It an old skill returning

[ashen kelp]

We were only dropping 1 attonement per minute which wasn't the end of the world

[oak pike]

seems like 2.42 pld bis will be enough to hit 9 gcd under fof

[ashen kelp]

an unbuffed atonement at that

[frigid isle]

Ok so the reason why there’s still a timer for hypercharge is bc of its passive buff. Granting potency to skills. Bc when you have to sync down. Sometimes youll have hypercharge but not have heatblast at that level

[gaunt star]

my problem with dropping atonements isnt even dmg its just that it feels awful to play

it feels like they did not think about the job

that they did not plan out how the job would actually function

[fringe badger]

I agree it's finnicky

[gaunt star]

with old paladin you can at least say the job was designed without 2m bursts in mind, and this is just an unfortunate adaptation

[viscid monolith]

Still needing to drop atonements is a massive fuck up if true

[gaunt star]

but including this while accounting for burst feels like pure incompetence

if that's actually how new PLD works

[ashen kelp]

That's because you could run a rotation that didn't drop attonements... but it needed to be at 2.4 gcd which is impossible in this tier

[gaunt star]

overall how is new pld compared to old pld? better or worse?

[fringe badger]

It has a real burst now

[oak pike]

les strict @gaunt star on paper

[obtuse trout]

For me it sounds better

[fringe badger]

So better I guess

[ashen kelp]

We don't know but the PLD playerbase is basically imploding

[obtuse trout]

But I have to see when I actually play it

[gaunt star]

the mits they changed they did good changes on, but they didnt change enough of them imo

[obtuse trout]

Mch also sounds nicer now but I already liked mch anyhow we getting a step closer to glory :copium:

[ashen kelp]

Because that FoF nerf is really going to hurt

[sour cradle]

...is that good or bad?

[gaunt star]

PLD is gonna do quite a bit more dps now it seems, but the rotation is potentially still fucked

[ashen kelp]

Bad.

[viscid monolith]

That means nothing people shit their pants every job change.

[oak pike]

i mean

its just one tone dropped

[fringe badger]

How is anyone reading that as a fof nerf...

[ashen kelp]

Dude this is basically Samurai's Kaiten.

[viscid monolith]

That's why we have to fucking wait until the night before the patch to find out about job changes.

[fringe badger]

It effects everything now

[obtuse trout]

People are always imploding when their job changes

[odd yoke]

https://twitter.com/mane_tank/status/1612647594823667715?t=2r83D29gv0BWwYE9JNQPJg&s=19

Mane Tank (@mane_tank)

You've had your fun, bards and dancers.

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[viscid monolith]

Yall don't know how to act

[obtuse trout]

MCH RETURN TO GLORY

[viscid monolith]

We use to get job changes in like, the live letter for the patch

[ashen kelp]

Have you tried GNB? 20 seconds to fit everything in is very inflexible and 10 of those seconds are going to be eaten up by stuff that you can't reduce the recast of

[shut oyster]

It's our time to shine

[gaunt star]

if I was developing a PLD rework, I would simply design the job such that it doesnt require this

[ashen kelp]

I would just write a strongly worded letter to the gear balancing department saying "PLD needs at least 3 pieces of gear that are crit/sks"

[odd yoke]

I'm glad I got the MCH gun on FFA

[oak pike]

gnb issue is it has too much to fit into its burst

[fringe badger]

Yeah, but there are literally only 6 skills you need to fit into it, ra if you have the speed. Less weaving than gnb too, half of it is ranged too

[oak pike]

too many gcd for gnb

[gaunt star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok3zp-27EEY

the pld rework I want

burn all the heretics

[oak pike]

the third bullet mades GNB feel clunky

[gaunt star]

☝️

[signal folio]

wait for the fourth bullet in 7.0

[gaunt star]

gnb should've stayed a 2 cartridge job

[ashen kelp]

Like this rework already took my criticisms of PLD and GNB needing Skillspeed on gear being an issue and just makes it worse

[oak pike]

paladin have less important things to fit in 20 seconds makes it feel less packed in

[fringe badger]

Why? It's a difference of one of your weakest buttons getting a 20% boost or not

[brazen trout]

hold up

[signal folio]

most of the stuff you need packed in isn't even affected by skill speed

[brazen trout]

we getting new voices for our wols?

[obtuse trout]

Bestie

Mch changes

Take a look

[brazen trout]

ive seen it but idk enough about mch to know what it means 🥹

[oak pike]

2.42 would be just about enough to fit a 9th gcd in

[obtuse trout]

It's good

[oak pike]

if you want to push for a 9th gcd which would be a third buff atonement

[fringe badger]

Sounds like a pretty standard bis

[viscid monolith]

What is HS why can't I remember that skill

[odd yoke]

spirit

[tawny solar]

thank god i no longer have to do crack to be able to play machinist

[viscid monolith]

Right right

[oak pike]

holy spirit

[stray granite]

TL DR on PLD rework? Is it like every other tank now?

[glossy hemlock]

I guess I’ll have to take my Parkinson’s medication again

So much for maining MCH

[fringe badger]

It's still very much not like the other tanks

[gaunt star]

warrior 3

[shut oyster]

Just to make it simple, basically MCH had a problem with ping where you had to fit 6 gcds during a certain window and a single clip or latency would make you lose a whole ass gcd and suddendly your dps gets crippled

[ashen kelp]

It's a worse gnb

[fringe badger]

But the burst window is normal now instead of almost 45 seconds

[shut oyster]

so basically, we don't have that anymore, we also got an extra mitigation button returning

and extra potency increases

[gaunt star]

rotation still completely fucked

veil and sheltron are better tho

[ashen kelp]

Veil's fixed. Sheltron's overall been nerfed except when dealing with dots specifically

[sour cradle]

wait how did they nerf sheltron

[oak pike]

pld got a burst now

[fringe badger]

Shelltron's kind of got a buff actually. Now you can block randomly for an extra mit

Or just pop it with bulwark

[viscid monolith]

What level is Bulwark

[oak pike]

52

[ashen kelp]

It's 5% less damage mitigation overall, and still tied to your autos