The gold saucer
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
pale pilot
crystal arrow
godbert is a damn good goldsmith
somber storm
Old money of extremely talented crafters
torpid yoke
He may not look it but he's a really good goldsmith
teal salmon
The start of the Manderville weapons Godbert says that they were the masterworks of Godbrand Manderville
tawny relic
Old money, they make a fair amount off of the Saucer, every generation of them have been phenomenal craftsmen, and Julyan's head for finance is almost as good as her head for violence
teal salmon
I mean they mostly take a loss with the Gold Saucer
tacit goblet
You’d think that they’d be bled out by now from the gold saucer though lol
teal salmon
Since the majority of profits come from food and drink
tawny relic
Don't they also do racketeering for events like chocobo racing?
tacit goblet
MGP is basically free and can be exchanged for real life prizes
Plus the upkeep cost of all the attractions and payment for the workers
tawny relic
I know there's a lot of idle dialogue about customers nearly going broke
tacit goblet
I guess WoL abilities include extreme luck lol
tacit goblet
And also not having to pay for the attractions
Don’t they give you 500 if you run out though?
Or is that just a gameplay thing and you’re only supposed to get the amount once?
somber storm
also if you are a duskwight
torpid yoke
I guess WoL abilities include extreme luck lol
It does
somber storm
There is a mgp for gil exchange
torpid yoke
How do you think we survive so many encounters
teal salmon
@lament badger https://youtu.be/CLNKoMTCViE
lament badger
the troia of all time
teal salmon
It got copyright claimed for the FF4 music 
low nexus
When is the maintenance?
teal salmon
In about 5.5 hours
iron birch
And it lasts for 4 hours, ye?
teal salmon
8
low nexus
Ty
late aurora
6pm to 2am (pst)
iron birch
Oh, I was looking at the mog station maintenance
iron scaffold
Oh, I was looking at the mog station maintenance
gaunt star
roughly when during maintenance should we expect the full patch notes? or is it kinda random
chilly bluff
roughly when during maintenance should we expect the full patch notes? or is it ...
Yoshi and Foxclon are doing a JP only patch notes reading at 10 pm PST. Full patch notes probably coming on or around that same time.
rose arch
Are we getting a story trial this patch?
pale pilot
Yes
rose arch
Siiiick ty
compact gorge
is release time 5 am eastern or am I wrong?
chilly bluff
is release time 5 am eastern or am I wrong?
If you're in the eastern time zone, then yes.
wary ginkgo
3 hours till patch notes. right?
chilly bluff
4 hours until maintenance. Patch notes?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
But likely within two or three hours after.
crystal arrow
4 hours
zenith turtle
torpid yoke
No don't trash it
compact gorge
looks like im waking up early tomorrow 
torpid yoke
Just make it a role action
gaunt star
How long is the maintance?
compact gorge
8 hours
gaunt star
Pain
dim sigil
2am patch this time i see
scarlet fiber
2am patch this time i see
Really making the crafters get up and work for their gil 
frigid isle
Who tryn clear ex 5 tmrw? 👀🤭
pulsar current
not i, i've already done my ex clear day 1 thing in 5.5
pulsar current
plus i'm going for every relic this expac
obtuse trout
And if I figure that's smth I shouldn't do rn I'll do it later on n with other people
But my priority tomorrow is alliance raid
pulsar current
thankfully raiders are so starved for content they'll certainly be first in line for the ex
obtuse trout
If ex5 isn't as fast pace for me as ex4 was and is closer to ex2 or 3 yk I'll be fine probably 
dim sigil
Do we know where the raid starts
pulsar current
either mor dhona or the olympus place
crystal arrow
there's nothing like hour 1 ar runs
obtuse trout
I wish I could do it hour 1 but I'm stuck at work until like 2 hours after maint 
day 1 experience still grand
pulsar current
over in the balance its so fucking funny seeing dnc resources go "hey guys we're gonna update the bis sets for dsr and also get ready for top stuff too"
meanwhile mch mentors went "lmao fuck running dungeons for bis"
obtuse trout
worldly roost
I parked right in front of Deryk in preparation for tomorrow
subtle pasture
I will be once I finish Heavensturn 
tawny relic
Good for them
frigid isle
Friendly reminder to record your raw gameplay footage!! For the shirs and giggles lol
oak pike
man kind of sucks that MCH shares roles as the heavy buffers
oak pike
less potential the higher the skill the team is
tawny relic
Bring back the turret vuln
oak pike
bring MCH raw damage up to BLM and SAM then why bring DNC and BRD
numbers be funny business
torpid yoke
Well with current mch you wouldn't want to bring them to blm and Sam levels
You'd want them to be higher that most the melees though
oak pike
it sits between DRG and NIN rn for adps
torpid yoke
Needs to be over drg
oak pike
rdps or adps?
average median numbers MCH is higher just DRG got higher potential adps wise
tawny relic
I don't even think BLM beats out any melees for rDPS, now that Reaper got buffed
winged lagoon
I'm fine with MCH being the lowest-damage selfish DPS if it just had some party utility like the other two ranged phys
tawny relic
Bring back Dismantle
oak pike
I don't even think BLM beats out any melees for rDPS, now that Reaper got buffed
if blm gets a god run it'll beat SAM who is the lowest in melee rdps 
reef edge
It sucks at the highest level of play, and don't get me wrong MCH needs buffs, but MCH outclasses BRD and DNC up to like the 80th percentile or something (if not higher)
Which isn't a great niche to fill, but PF is being extra dumb when they lock out the MCH slot. Your average MCH will deal more damage than your average BRD or DNC.
oak pike
though its mainly cause BRD and DNC eating damage from other jobs that people play well in
reef edge
Right, hence why BRD and DNC only take off in a good party where people can play into their buffs well. If the 7 other people are huffing glue then MCH doesn't care.
candid pewter
What time does maintenance start?
oak pike
like in 2 hours @candid pewter
candid pewter
Cool, thanks
On work wifi rn and they have most websites blocked, but not discord lol
shut oyster
I'm fine with MCH being the lowest-damage selfish DPS if it just had some party ...
Tactician
/j
reef edge
Shut
shut oyster
I still maintain I'd like if machinist got more defensive buffs like the funny shield robot it has on pvp that could be very good for sustained damaged on pve
bitter pumice
I mean brd & dnc don't have amazing utility either
shut oyster
I wasn't talking about personal sustained damage lmao
I was talking bosses that do sustained damage
dancer healing is actually pretty good when used right
reef edge
I was talking bosses that *do* sustained damage
Which bosses? Not saying that to be an ass, legit curious since most bosses do spike damage
torpid yoke
I still maintain I'd like if machinist got more defensive buffs like the funny s...
Oh you mean the funny little robot they had before?
shut oyster
Yeah yeah
shut oyster
Which bosses? Not saying that to be an ass, legit curious since most bosses do s...
EX1 and EX4 are easy examples that come to mind, also god fucking knows the amount of wipes I saw on sephiroth adds phase explosions lmfao
oak pike
doesnt p7 and p8 have like mineuts of sustain raid damage from a bleed
well hyperbole to say minuets but yeah
shut oyster
I think almost every tb got dots yeah?
torpid yoke
Needs a personal defensive
bitter pumice
Only like p8s p2 and half the p6s tbs don't have dots
obtuse bluff
sorry what time does the patch start?
tawny relic
About an hour and a half
torpid yoke
1 hour 40 minutes
obtuse bluff
like in 2 hours <@93919965706461184>
i shouldve scrolled a bit more lol
thanks everyone 😄
shut oyster
but yeah I want the funny robot back, is handy on PvP and I know they could make it handy on PvE
I also want the fucking charged shot on PvE oh my god
torpid yoke
Tfw everyone wants the cast time back but everyone wanted to get rid of it before
shut oyster
They literally made the perfect solution wich is hilarious
just make it so you move slow when you're casting
I don't think every shot should be like that but having at least 1 comes a long way with the job fantasy tbh
and is a good excuse to increase the damage
shut oyster
I can think of a few ways, but yeah the job needs a rework and i'm kinda hoping they say something about it already
torpid yoke
Every shot uses 10 heat or something
shut oyster
it feels like they been radio silence about it for forever and is kinda annoying
tawny relic
Bring back Gauss Barrel but instead of making you a caster, it makes your basic shots consume heat in exchange for no slows
torpid yoke
I just said that
shut oyster
make the robot do aoe by the way
tawny relic
make the robot do aoe by the way
Make the explosive be AoE
winged lagoon
Turn flamethrower into a turret
shut oyster
fix heat blast for the love of god
torpid yoke
No need ugly guass barrel
torpid yoke
Turn flamethrower into a turret
Pls
tawny relic
Be able to move at Hide speed while using Flamethrower
shut oyster
flamethrower as a turret yes please
I hate not being able to do anything while flamethrower
torpid yoke
Also they've been radio silent because mch got reworked in shb and other jobs needed work more than it
shut oyster
You think? I feel like mch kinda still... needs it
frigid isle
There’s Official announcement for patch notes?
torpid yoke
The job works
frigid isle
When?
tawny relic
Yeah, MCH still really needs a rework
torpid yoke
It's just in a limbo of selfish dps and being phys range
shut oyster
It works but at the very least they should do something about heat blast
like that's kinda bare min i'm expecting
oak pike
eventually
shut oyster
I take warrior 5 over getting depressed for losing a heat blast because I clipped for 0.1 seconds
bitter pumice
It took them 10 years to add aoe damage type
shut oyster
like honest to god
tawny relic
The tools don't really interact with each other, the Drills are basically identical besides cooldowns, and heat and battery don't interact
shut oyster
we have 3 drills yes
bitter pumice
Funny job
torpid yoke
The tools don't really interact with each other, the Drills are basically identi...
Heat and battery are fine
tawny relic
Also really want a trait that removes the damage falloff on Ricochet
torpid yoke
That's not a fault of heat and battery
tawny relic
Have it around the 70s, since that's when a lot of other jobs get their upgraded OGCD AoEs
shut oyster
I know, I personally think they're fine I think battery should be integrated to AOE though
shut oyster
it also felt weird having a drill dot
that you can't use on ST at all
but then again they kinda hate dots so they probably went "machinist with dot management??? nah"
torpid yoke
I don't miss it
shut oyster
I don't care for dots too much I just though it was weird having it be connected to drill but I guess I understand the decision
flamethrower though is ass
not damage wise it just feels like ass to use
shut oyster
have you had a moment where you sit down to use it and suddendly there is 3 aoes on your feet
because I have
oak pike
i kind of miss procs based on dots
torpid yoke
It was a....
oak pike
dungeon runs were fun
torpid yoke
It was a time
shut oyster
big fan of the cursed optimisation of doing flamethrower when a boss goes untarget, just so when it comes back it gets one (1) hit
shut oyster
it's a funny job
torpid yoke
shut oyster
except DRK who just got out of rehab
torpid yoke
Yea, Lil bit
oak pike
MCH is like my go to for range physical
shut oyster
I meme on it but I do like MCH more than the other range phys
shut oyster
AST curse is getting reworked every expansion
oak pike
new deck of cards
bitter pumice
Drk is fine just gameplay isn't very fun
shut oyster
DRK is fine but I think everyone will forever remember old living dead
torpid yoke
AST curse is getting reworked every expansion
Nah that's smn
shut oyster
no AST actually for real gets rework every expansion along with SMN
they're even though because AST is getting the 7.0 rework while SMN is probably gonna be at peace
torpid yoke
Smn is never at peace
fiery warren
Are the job changes revealed yet
torpid vigil
servers are closing in 1h?
torpid yoke
Yes
dim sigil
Rpr buffs
fiery warren
Maybe some dark knight and white mage changes too
dim sigil
Dia3
real tinsel
welp servers going down in 1 hour. Its getting real close
real tinsel
Will use discord pings for wake up alarm when pld changes are known 
abstract kernel
I just want to bid on new housing plots and loose come next cycle
gaunt star
what's the over/under on there being a sephiroth fresh prog party up rn
real tinsel
Will the update download if I just let the launcher stay up?
Or do you need to restart the launcher for updates
earnest vine
what's the over/under on there being a sephiroth fresh prog party up rn
Some people just won't be stopped
shut oyster
Oh yeah time to log in just to get the funny last moments
torpid yoke
Do we know when its up again?
The latest time it will be back up is 5 am est
Can come up early since there's no world race this patch
sleek kestrel
same here on aether
oak pike
@late trail i keep running into you
late trail
I like how everyone is a PLD except me
oak pike
go paladin 
oak pike
shut oyster
I would join but I don't have paladin
gilded kelp
are the paladin patch notes out yet
late trail
no
rain onyx
full patch notes come out a bit after maintenance starts
torpid yoke
Can't wait for the balance pld lounge to go crazy
earnest vine
thanks for reminding to follow that
late aurora
Can't wait for the balance pld lounge to go crazy
“Unga bunga pld different so bad”
“Wait it actually gains dps with the changes”
“All hail Yoshida”
gilded kelp
tehy dont want any jobs to have damage over time. slowly they remove the dots
reef edge
The balance lounge? I'm bringing my salt here
pulsar current
i feel like ever since drs the dev team has gone "wait dots are kinda mid in ffxiv"
torpid yoke
They can work a lil
gilded kelp
mid = middling?
pulsar current
ye
gilded kelp
ok
pulsar current
drs had 48 players savage and bosses could only take so many dots at once
gilded kelp
games where dots are strong i think is when you can stack lots of dots on top of each other and risk stealing aggro from teh tanks
shut oyster
They way dots work in this game is boring idk
pulsar current
ye dots are good in other games
gilded kelp
yeah
shut oyster
Jobs don't interact with dots in any way outside of just applying them
gilded kelp
something like the necromacner or bard from everquest
woudl be neat
wehre you have lots of options
pulsar current
like sonic break is an ok dot bc it's a different big hit in its burst
gilded kelp
but gotta limit how many you apply or you steal aggro haha
pulsar current
comapred to like double down or GF
reef edge
Sonic break is hardly a dot
pulsar current
ye
reef edge
It doesn't interact with anything
pulsar current
its still a different damage big hit
then again war is just the same big 3 hit
it adds flavour to gnb burst
not much tho
same thing with bow shock
crystal arrow
got my msq drip, im ready for tomorrow https://i.imgur.com/L0xHDOR.png
plush summit
There’s 40 mins left?
teal salmon
yes
somber storm
Stuck at work. Can't buy gear for pld
fiery warren
They just announced a delay till next thursday
pulsar current
thank goodness 🙏
fiery warren
Im jk
pulsar current
mogtome time
sleek kestrel
thin token
ah around 20 min
yup
pale pilot
Just enough time to do one last run of aurumvale with no jobstone
thin token
or to ensure you actually finished the quest line after the alliance raid 🙂
subtle pasture
I have Deryk in my sights when the game comes back up
Gonna obliterate that twink.
pale pilot
Lol
sleek kestrel
scenes at siren(aether) rn
chilly bluff
I'm waiting at the gate near him. Stock up on that rested bonus since I've been leveling lol
silk cape
Deryk be like: "i, uh, don't have any treats"
Deryk also be like: "the quest to come out and see me is gonna start in mor dhona y'know"
subtle pasture
Yeah, I flew up to one of the towers right next to the gate
chilly bluff
silk cape
https://tenor.com/view/kirbo-ssb-super-smash-bros-kirby-gif-23980896
man this dude's shit gets disturbing
crystal arrow
Yeah, I flew up to one of the towers right next to the gate
i logged out right in front of him, oh well
i should probably move
teal salmon
man this dude's shit gets disturbing
have you SEEN Kirby lore?
chilly bluff
Still got 5-10 minutes
subtle pasture
I hate the countdown is why I stayed in the sanctuary
silk cape
you got time
crystal arrow
thin token
I am still debating if I want to get up at 5:30 am just to do the raid before work...
sleek kestrel
how long do blind alliance raids usually take?
iron birch
1 hour
chilly bluff
About as long as they normally do
iron birch
At worst
pulsar current
an hour ye
iron birch
If there is a wipe mechanic
teal salmon
you guys wanna party up for it?
chilly bluff
Blind alliance runs are the best though. I've never missed one
crystal arrow
yeah theyre such fun
iron birch
Ye, I'll pick up the quest, queue and move on to do msq while waiting for it to pop
sleek kestrel
aaaaaaand its 6pm
iron birch
And so the wait begins
plush summit
How do I breathe
sour kiln
where notes pepega
south flare
i'm sure people have asked this but when maintenance ends at 2 that is when we are able to play the new patch right
subtle pasture
Aye, when this maintenance is finished, patch 6.3 will be live
iron birch
Could be less if they finish early
thin token
Notes should be out in what is it 2ish hours?
sour kiln
I'm gonna nap
south flare
Could be less if they finish early
do they usually?
subtle pasture
Sometime between now and patch, really 
wary ginkgo
cant wait for patch notes
iron birch
Sometimes they do finish early, ye
thin token
do they usually?
The odd time its come up as soon as 30min early.
wary ginkgo
i hope patch notes happen before i fall asleep
chilly bluff
Notes should be out in what is it 2ish hours?
Could be earlier. Don't know yet. But they're usually up by the time they do the patch note reading. Which is in two hours.
subtle pasture
It can end up to an hour early when it’s not a patch with content like new Tomestones
wary ginkgo
so i can try and formulate a new paladin rotation
subtle pasture
But at least after daily reset is a safe bet,
south flare
The odd time its come up as soon as 30min early.
ahh that would be dope
i got work tomorrow but i really wanna be up for when it drops
subtle pasture
They learned their lesson about ending before daily reset once 
iron birch
But at least after daily reset is a safe bet,
Daily reset is in a while after the patch, no?
shut oyster
I GOT KICKED OUT
fading gorge
do we have the job balance patch notes yer or does that come out when maintanence ends?
shut oyster
NOOO
thin token
Patch day is a ☕ day
iron birch
Or am I thinking about weekly
thin token
I GOT KICKED OUT
rip
subtle pasture
No I am thinking weekly reset, mb
iron birch
do we have the job balance patch notes yer or does that come out when maintanenc...
In between now and patch notes
shut oyster
last message on limsa hyperion was "before we all go out, I just wanna say, rdm supremacy"
subtle pasture
I forgot that the morning reset is the daily one
subtle pasture
But yeah, no sooner than weekly reset for sure
iron birch
2-3 hours give or take
fading gorge
"we have decided to add back kaiten but we're giving it to monk instead"
knotty ledge
Patch notes when? In 8 hours?
fading gorge
i have never seen something as controversial as the kaiten situation and idk how to feel about that being the case
pulsar current
"we have decided to add back kaiten but we're giving it to monk instead"
i'd play mnk for that tbh
thick totem
I just need to know if PLD is gonna be WAR 3 or GNB 2
pulsar current
i have never seen something as controversial as the kaiten situation and idk how...
then you haven't seen much controversy
pulsar current
ye
chilly bluff
Patch notes when? In 8 hours?
Maintenance is scheduled to end in 8 hours. Patch notes will come up much earlier than that.
pulsar current
the billboard was the last decently sized one
thin token
Patch notes when? In 8 hours?
Likely 2 hours or so. Checking discord history the bot posted them around that time for past patches.
pulsar current
then theres the TEA stuff
shut oyster
pulsar current
look up "FFXIV billboard"
shut oyster
pulsar current
tea uhhh one sec
shut oyster
screenshots before the end
teal salmon
teh fucking nillboard
low nexus
billboard incident oh no
subtle pasture
chilly bluff
The billboard saga 
shut oyster
I finished a dungeon like 5 minutes before maint lmao
pulsar current
The Epic of Alexander (TEA) was an ultimate raid in ShB, with the main issue revolving around players using moving waypoints to help progress faster than players not using addons
(pash fact check me on that)
subtle pasture
The issue with TEA was the datamined debuffs, managing waymarks with a third party tool was UCoB
pulsar current
ah.
subtle pasture
DSR had memeing on TPS for trying to avoid using tank Lb on the time loop
thin token
let us just use these copyrighted assets and put em on a billboard
What could go wrong....
low nexus
DSR had like a phase leaked from an intern
subtle pasture
But you can blame UCoB for why waymarks can’t be edited mid-combat, I do believe
Which recently impacted P7S :’D
crystal arrow
tbh the dsr drama was the difficulty
it killed statics
and also killed players' drives to play
a friend afaik has quit the game at least for a while after they cleared dsr
fiery warren
Are the job changes being revealed yet
subtle pasture
This is why they didn’t try to surpass it with TOP, tbf
thin token
Are the job changes being revealed yet
No patch notes for a while yet
fading gorge
how do you killl statics?
shut oyster
it still gonna kick people's asses either way
shut oyster
how do you killl statics?
they disband
fiery warren
I gotta see these bard buffd
late aurora
Are the job changes being revealed yet
subtle pasture
A phase that ends the moment somebody dies after already enduring 8 mins of battle
crystal arrow
how do you killl statics?
mechanics were so high difficulty people got locked at shit and it just caused strife
a bunch of big statics broke up because of dsr
notably oversleepers and tps
subtle pasture
you guys need some patience, the maint just started
That’d hurt them if they could read
crystal arrow
Oversleepers disbanded cuz the timezone differences
that's what they claim but having watched their prog i dont think so lmao
shut oyster
chilly bluff
I think this means UWU was the only ultimate without some big drama
There was also the Ungarmax glitch in which people tried to use it in UCoB and still failed to clear it
topaz river
But you can blame UCoB for why waymarks can’t be edited mid-combat, I do believe
TEA
Not ucob
shut oyster
Oh yeah didn't people tried to use squadrons LB on an ultimate and still failed
like scrubs
vital falcon
Where ppl going to post 6.3 datamine ?
rain onyx
Here
subtle pasture
Waymarks were already locked to out-of-combat only by then, no?
rain onyx
Oh I should post the datamine pin here for clarification
thin token
Where ppl going to post 6.3 datamine ?
Probably here and the ffxiv subreddit.
topaz river
Iirc people were swapping them during tea rwf and that’s what got them removed
Pretty sure it was tea
fiery warren
I love tea
rain onyx
While this channel allows data mining, Reminder that ALL datamined content must be spoilered or it will be removed.
Posting Datamined music of any kind is an automatic ban, as this discord respects Soken’s wishes to not share the music.
fiery warren
About to drink some
cedar moat
Probably here and the ffxiv subreddit.
r/ffxiv subreddit doesnt allow datamining, but r/ffxivdiscussion does
rain onyx
The main subreddit most definitely does
thin token
r/ffxiv subreddit doesnt allow datamining, but r/ffxivdiscussion does
Oh they stopped it?
crystal arrow
its gonna be a while before patches get applied and we can see anything dataminable
rain onyx
There’s always a big thread or two with datamine stuff
cedar moat
I remember them stopping it a WHILE ago when SE asked the mod team to take them down
shut oyster
maint just started like it hasn't been 10 minutes
fiery warren
20
weary yoke
20 now
iron birch
It has been 20 
shut oyster
ok 20 minutes
fiery warren
Need job changes
shut oyster
still
chilly bluff
Client will update some time during maint. When the client updates, we can download the patch. That's when datamining can begin.
shut oyster
plain heath
how many hours left?
rain onyx
8
crystal arrow
8
late aurora
Regardless y’all people impatient as fuck
weary yoke
patch note reading stream goes live in 3.5 hours, so expect patch notes somewhere around then
iron birch
Client will update some time during maint. When the client updates, we can downl...
Tataru glam on female characters is all I care /s
thin token
how many hours left?
7 hours 40min
hasty oasis
maintenance might end earlier
pearl iris
7.6666667
hallow kestrel
maintenance might end earlier
hopium
shut oyster
The game: goes off
iron birch
Still 7 hours too
shut oyster
People: Job changes??? Datamine??
sleek kestrel
While this channel allows data mining, Reminder that ALL datamined content must ...
ah so that's why music is banned specifically
fiery warren
People: Job changes??? Datamine??
Do you have the job changes
fiery warren
That doesn't make any sense
shut oyster
just play better 5head why you want buffs
crystal arrow
hm interesting it says ur mom
fiery warren
I love bard
cedar moat
MCH:
10 potency has been added to Hot Shot. No, not Air Anchor. Skill issue.
crystal arrow
subtle pasture
Pretty sure it was tea
Oh yes it was, found a thread discussing it back in 2020, the waymark rework was a part of 5.2 in response to it from TEA prog
dim sigil
Rpr should get a 500 pot increase on all skills
fiery warren
My bard jusr hit level 90 he deserves to be buffed
rain onyx
Rpr should get a 500 pot increase on all skills
Native GCD now increased to 7 seconds on all skills
shut oyster
BLM changes, the job will now oneshot all bosses
iron birch
Rpr should get a 500 pot increase on all skills
Now this I'm ok with
Also war is gonna get buffed
serene ice
at least we finally got more waymark slots
brave crater
PLD friends i never needed to see those notes so badly before
iron birch
Another 20 potency buff
crystal arrow
yall are so impatient
strange wing
PLD friends i never needed to see those notes so badly before
The anticipation
crystal arrow
lord
iron birch
Paladin players be like
subtle pasture
BLM changes, the job will now oneshot all bosses
Due to positive reception to when YoshiP uses god mode on stream, BLM no longer suffers any damage form any sources
shut oyster
the 15 paladin players are very impatient
strange wing
Will it be Paladin with the dots shaved off, or will it be something new
plush summit
Hmm, to stay up or not
shut oyster
actually did the agaia paladin run actually went on
civic coral
Job changes:
Melees still do the most damage
Casters still don't have rights
Bloodletter does 5 more potency
Added a 4th dash to En Evant
After careful consideration they have readded Kaiten... on Monk
PLD gets a new guage that fills up to 3 uses of a magic cast after a 1-2-3 combo as well as a button that gives them 2 charges of this every 2 minutes
hasty oasis
I leveled PLD like a month ago and I liked the rotation, F for me
winged lagoon
rain onyx
Hmm, to stay up or not
Sleep for like 6 hours and then download patch and wait for launch
sleek kestrel
Paladin players be like
lol i literally just saw a picture of such a run on the subreddit
earnest vine
There were a lot of PLD Aglaia runs... gotta send it out with a bang
rain onyx
Only a minor fuck up of sleep, probably
strange wing
I personally don't like spamming atonement or holy spirit 3 times each.
fiery warren
Are they reworking paladij
gaunt star
Paladin pework, every paladin now has a pocket black mage
tawny relic
I eagerly await the PLD changes to make them play like GNB
torpid yoke
Job changes:
Melees still do the most damage
Casters still don't have rights
Bl...
Casters have all the rights wym
granite nimbus
Will it be Paladin with the dots shaved off, or will it be something new
I realy don't like the DoTs on the magic combo tbh.
iron birch
Sleep for like 6 hours and then download patch and wait for launch
TFW when I wanted to go to sleep to wake up for patch but my sleep schedule said no
gaunt star
Every black mage now had a pocket paladin
torpid yoke
Phys range have no rights
granite nimbus
I don't mind if they did away with that and just made the hits meatier.
iron birch
And now it is the middle of the night and I can't sleep
fiery warren
Bards needs to deal black mage damage
rain onyx
Take 2 Benadryl
granite nimbus
It's bizarre that a cascade of giant swords the size of school buses hit for so little.
rain onyx
That’s your sleep
strange wing
I'll take anything that isn't just a Warrior reskin
iron birch
We don't have that tbf
fading gorge
do an abilities get changed, deleted, replaced, etc. that are only revealed during maintanence patch? or just potency/CD changes?
iron birch
Yes
civic coral
Phys range have no rights
2 of em have the illusion of support and the last is MCH
strange wing
It's _bizarre_ that a cascade of giant swords the size of school buses hit for s...
Having Paladin be the ramp up class would be neat
lucid willow
they're completely reworking the rotation, so expect big changes
iron birch
All changes, even in descriptions, will be in patch notes
torpid yoke
2 of em have the illusion of support and the last is MCH
Brd and Dnc def support
chilly bluff
They used to detail job changes during live letters and prelim notes but people got mega toxic at the devs so they stopped.
hasty oasis
do an abilities get changed, deleted, replaced, etc. that are only revealed duri...
It's a rework, so it might be a bit of everything
torpid yoke
It's no illusion
lucid willow
nvm I misunderstood the assignment
strange wing
Like, Spamming Fell-cleave in Warrior is fine because it's on a short cd
shut oyster
Patch notes will be like elezen neck has been buff by 5% or some shit
fading gorge
i meant for stuff besides paladin
thin token
Brd and Dnc def support
I miss the days of brd being completely broken/op...
torpid yoke
I miss bow mage as well
civic coral
I'm surprised someone immediately jumped on the caster joke and not on the fact that I just described new PLD as Gunbreaker
lucid willow
I hope they update the job page on the site, it's gonna be easier to figure out the rotation than from patchnotes
civic coral
Bow mage was SICK
iron birch
All other jobs, if they get changed, will probably be potency stuff
civic coral
But there's only 1.75 casters in the game now anyways so y'know
iron birch
Unless they add some qol
torpid yoke
I'm surprised someone immediately jumped on the caster joke and not on the fact ...
That's because that's what it's gonna be
lucid willow
gunbreaker but less cool,
torpid yoke
Their description was pretty much that
lucid willow
gunfixer
shut oyster
watered down war what
fiery warren
Drk is war bur better
civic coral
DRK has more than WAR
brisk quail
Paladin players be like
Good riddance... but also let us keep clemency and also give us back shield swipe
strange wing
DRK is War with more meat
strange wing
Same skellington though
civic coral
Unless you like hitting all your buttons and zoning out for a minute ig
lucid willow
I have to thank DRK cause old Living Death sucked so much I caved in and switched to gunbreaker which became my favourite job, so thanks DRK
brisk quail
Requiestcat lets you do Blade of Valor Combo ended by confetior as your two minute burst, like a GNB Gnashing Fang/WAR Beserk in one
iron birch
TBF I just don't like how war is nothing for 2 minute
Then burst, and then sleep again
brisk quail
And then your basic melee combos lets you stock Holy spirits/Clemency for later use as instant cast spells
civic coral
I'm just excited for all the doomer PLD takes to immediately convert into PLD mains when it tops the dps chart to make it seem cool
strange wing
I fully expect Paladin to be overtuned
civic coral
Or have it still be at bottom anyways
strange wing
Which is why my glam looks sick
civic coral
Which would be equally hilarious
brisk quail
I'm just excited for all the doomer PLD takes to immediately convert into PLD ma...
I was always on copium as a PLD main, maybe finally we'll be able to main tank and not feel like we're tickling the enemy with a 30 second DoT
cedar moat
PLD already was basically WAR with three different Fell Cleave phases, just on three different button sets, so I'm looking forward to this rework. No more Atonement Spam, the Holy Spirit Spam, then Confeitor Spam
rain onyx
how do you water down war
Infinite gauge storage and combine both combos
lucid willow
last total rework was undertuned though
shut oyster
Wich one?
civic coral
I was always on copium as a PLD main, maybe finally we'll be able to main tank a...
Shelltron change is already mega nice for this
lucid willow
SMN
iron birch
Confeteior will prob stay tbf
civic coral
So that's exciting
iron birch
The sword animation
brisk quail
Shelltron change is already mega nice for this
Indeed
shut oyster
SMN? Undertuned?
strange wing
I feel like Paladin is one of the classes the devs actually play
iron birch
Nah
civic coral
SMN isn't undertuned casters just are in general because they're the middle child
shut oyster
It only got a few buffs here and there nothing crazy
brisk quail
Devs play BLM, NIN, and RDM
strange wing
Poor MCH
brisk quail
That's it
lucid willow
SMN was undertuned at launch, it got a couple buffs, now its where it should be
brisk quail
They only play those three
brave crater
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/paladin/ UPDATED ON EU PAGE
civic coral
Can't do too much, can't do too little.
cedar moat
Its almost certainly one of the classes they play, thats why its remained untouched for so long
thin token
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/paladin/ UPDATED ON EU PAGE
Looks like all of them have Jan 10th update times now
tawny relic
So Goring's now a Double Down
shut oyster
if they played RDM then why doesn't it do more damage than summoner I wonder
oh yeah rez tax
lmfao
iron birch
refer to the patch notes
Dead link
strange wing
Weird that Passage of Arms wasn't changed
iron birch
Well, you got me
strange wing
Divine Might Effect: Allows next Holy Spirit or Holy Circle to be cast immediately with
violet lichen
does anyone have link to all the job patch notes?
strange wing
Ooo neat
brisk quail
They just... removed the DoTs, made goring blade a burst damage button... and gave PLD more mobility with melee combo giving instsnt cast holy spirits with increased potency
shut oyster
does anyone have link to all the job patch notes?
Please it hasn't been even an hour
thin token
does anyone have link to all the job patch notes?
Not patch notes but most of the job guides were updated. https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/
late aurora
What
oak pike
so wait you cant divine might and req
brisk quail
so wait you cant divine might and req
No
It says Requi will count first if both are up
oak pike
shut oyster
oh it already updated nevermind
rain onyx
My beloved
strange wing
Wait, is Divine Might just the GNB thing?
oak pike
divine might will prioritize
brisk quail
My beloved
MY BABY
shut oyster
it is back
late aurora
So I guess they’re making it even easier to tell if you have tank stance on
brisk quail
divine might will prioritize
Wow so we lose potency now
crystal arrow
strange wing
https://i.imgur.com/xJ2ej6p.png
Neat
tawny relic
So Goring is now just hit during stuff
shut oyster
oh that's cool
strange wing
It's less interesting, but it's not nearly as hard to activate
tawny relic
Also, FoF buffs all damage like I thought it would
umbral temple
are the patch notes out now or just the job guides have been updated?
thin token
Patch note link but not live yet: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/2ebebcdeedfecd2af0bf4cd5ce2d707e35f50d70/
strange wing
So, FoF and Resiquast stacks?
tawny relic
The job guide got updated for EU
granite nimbus
Divine Veil affects PLD finally!
chilly bluff
Every tank got a “disable tank stance” button
strange wing
But yea, weird. Divine might is just a lesser Continuation
late aurora
Mad because bad
analog hemlock
its like astro undraw 
strange wing
I'm okay with that
earnest vine
dash is still lvl 74
cedar moat
I mean, its just on and off lol
violet lichen
does that mean... we cant use the same button to turn off stance?.... bloat?
subtle pasture
I forget, can DNC use more than steps and en avant while dancing
shut oyster
because it means ypyt tanks will need to read tool tips and shit
wind bough
It will auto change
iron birch
does that mean... we cant use the same button to turn off stance?.... bloat?
It is the same button, like dancer
It probably changes icon
That's kinda it
subtle pasture
So this is new too?
wind bough
Basically just means tank stance icon changes when on
iron birch
Better visualization
teal salmon
ohhh
shut oyster
how do you fat finger your tank stance
teal salmon
Sage gets an addersting from Prognosis breaking on them now
strange wing
Oh, this is nice
shut oyster
YEEEES
subtle pasture
Being able to shield samba and curing waltz mid-dance
shut oyster
LET'S GOOOO
tawny relic
I have done it before
strange wing
Riddle of Earth was such a nothing skill for so long
iron birch
Question
wind bough
That’s decent
shut oyster
I knew they knew single target shielding for a proc was stupid
tawny relic
Oh thank goodness, it's not fucking stack based
iron birch
How does blocking work?
wind bough
Like in general?
late aurora
So it’s like parrying but better?
subtle pasture
Just a bonus parry unique to PLD because shields
iron birch
Mostly for the new pld skill
subtle pasture
A move can be parried and blocked, iirc?
strange wing
Woah hold on
iron birch
A percentage damage reduction?
wind bough
Block overrides parry
strange wing
Hypercharge gives stacks now
oak pike
@brisk quail so seems like req is just your confetti combo button
strange wing
That's different
tawny relic
how do you fat finger your tank stance
Sometimes I bring up the wrong hotbar and accidentally hit my stance when I wanted to hit one of my GCDs.
granite nimbus
Oh yay, PLD Blade spam actually hits hard now.
brisk quail
So PLD's Filler is now...
Fast Blade: 200
Riot: 280
Royal: 380
Attonement: 3 × 380
Holy Spirit with 123 buff: 450
Requiescat: 900, 700, 800, 900
shut oyster
what was updated about assize?
crystal arrow
oh shit new mch ability https://i.imgur.com/uJM4cJP.png
oak pike
or movement basically
subtle pasture
what was updated about assize?
Uhhh cooldown? Maybe?
shut oyster
oh shit new mch ability https://i.imgur.com/uJM4cJP.png
Oh my god?
we love to see it
brisk quail
or movement basically
It's still a dps gain in filler
chilly bluff
Wtf Shake It Off has a HoT now
strange wing
AYO
granite nimbus
Using holy spirit is useless
Huh?
teal salmon
granite nimbus
You use Holy Spirit 4 times then Confietor.
lilac sphinx
How long the maintenance is 😂
iron birch
oh shit new mch ability https://i.imgur.com/uJM4cJP.png
Oh, ehi, the Devs must be fan of whoops /s
crystal arrow
oh thats a good change for bard
brisk quail
You use Holy Spirit 4 times then Confietor.
No, cuz requi increases damage of blade combos
shut oyster
we wooon
lucid willow
MCH has reprisal lol
granite nimbus
No, cuz requi increases damage of blade combos
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 300.
Additional Effect: Grants 4 stacks of Requiescat
Requiescat Effect: Increases the potency of Holy Spirit, Holy Circle, and all Confiteor combo actions and spells will require no cast time
Additional Effect: Grants Confiteor Ready
Duration: 30s
strange wing
It took 982 years
granite nimbus
What?
strange wing
But finally
brisk quail
So it's 4 stacks
Confetior, Blade of Faith/truth/valor
granite nimbus
Oh.
brisk quail
That's four GCDs that get buffed by requi
wind bough
It varies slightly depending on block strength stat but that’s standardised at each level cap. block is around 20% damage reduction
strange wing
Oh awesome
granite nimbus
That's... weird.
acoustic ravine
Full patch notes out?
strange wing
I don't have to spam Holy Spirit four times
acoustic ravine
Anyone got a link?
brisk quail
So holy spirit is JUST for movement in filler after your 123
iron birch
they gave mch hypercharge stacks finally
About fucking time
brisk quail
And after you burn goring blade
iron birch
I have been saying it since 6.0
shut oyster
It's so fucking funny to me we were complaining about machinist problems just hours ago
and bang
fixed
strange wing
Wildfire has a max of 6
shut oyster
like ok
brisk quail
Which is now a GCD blasting zone
strange wing
It's so fucking funny to me we were complaining about machinist problems just ho...
It really got it all
winged lagoon
wind bough
!faq blockvsparry
lusty shadowBOT
strange wing
Stacks
woven briar
how you feeling Hika?
wind bough
Dang that’s long
woven briar
rejoiced?
shut oyster
im feeling good
woven briar
XD
oak pike
monk got a self hot
subtle pasture
Wait so now you do confiteor combo under requi, not at its end?
crystal arrow
!faq blockvsparry
the fuck is that a balance faq
split owl
link too patch notes?
strange wing
monk got a self hot
That's cool now too
strange wing
the fuck is that a balance faq
What's wrong with the Balance?
wind bough
Base block proc rate is approx 30%, and block dmg reduction is 20%
brisk quail
PLD honestly... will still have rotation issues if this is how it'll be I think.
wind bough
Yeah a large number of Kupo’s FAQs are maintained by the balance
shut oyster
I'm so happy you guys
brisk quail
You get 6 123 + attonement combos with a 2.46 gcd
Not including buffed holy spirits
If you do.
split owl
link to patch notes
crystal arrow
What's wrong with the Balance?
? nothing
split owl
???
crystal arrow
its just long and ive never seen it
brisk quail
You'll have to drop a 123 for goring and one for requi start
crystal arrow
link to patch notes
they are not live.
earnest vine
mch got dismantle back, how did you KNOW?
rain onyx
Sage AoE shield now generates toxikon stacks
iron birch
Base block proc rate is approx 30%, and block dmg reduction is 20%
So essentially the new skill gives you a 20% damage reduction
wary ginkgo
alright my fellow paladins, hower me feeling about the changes from the looks of things
teal salmon
Sage AoE shield now generates toxikon stacks
on yourself
brisk quail
alright my fellow paladins, hower me feeling about the changes from the looks of...
Confused. Changes are... not what I expected
subtle pasture
Only the self barrier of E-prog, yeah that’s fair.
brisk quail
It seems like at a glance it'll have issues still
strange wing
alright my fellow paladins, hower me feeling about the changes from the looks of...
Paladins have Continuation, sorta
brisk quail
But at least it'll have big numbers now
subtle pasture
But yeah, for PLD now, is your requi window now just confiteor combo?
brisk quail
We have a burst now in requi + confeitor + combo
subtle pasture
Like you spend the 4 stacks on them?
granite nimbus
At least it's not a WAR clone.
brisk quail
And holy spirit is relegated to a random GCD after a 123, for movement and dps gain
wary ginkgo
i wonder if any team will use paladin in the ultimate
iron birch
Oh, wait
brisk quail
Which probably makes you drop an attonement for it.
strange wing
At least it's not a WAR clone.
This
brisk quail
Like you spend the 4 stacks on them?
That's what's implied, yes
strange wing
I'm just happy it's different
torpid yoke
Hey guys
iron birch
And also question
torpid yoke
Divine veil covers the pld now
brisk quail
The holy spirit being able to be buffed is for pre-confetior/Blade of combo
iron birch
The change to step is that you can use shield samba and curing waltz nowz ye?
languid shadow
ye
brisk quail
So now Requi looks like...
Confetior, Blade of Faith Truth and Valor
violet lichen
so, PLD, mostly potency changes I assume our rotation will still be the same? new skills are mostly just defensive addons
iron birch
Divine veil covers the pld now
It's also just a flat shield/regen, no?
subtle pasture
Wildfire caps at 1440 pot then, interesting
oak pike
so you fof and dump goring blade and confetting combo in it then get as much 380 pot attacks in
brisk quail
And a PLD 123 is
Fast, Riot, Royal + Attonements you wanna use
tawny relic
so, PLD, mostly potency changes I assume our rotation will still be the same? ne...
No, the rotation changes.
shut oyster
what did they change on life surge
tawny relic
FoF buffs all damage, and Requiescat buffs the blade combo
violet lichen
dot skills do higher base dmg now
brisk quail
And then goring as a "blasting" zone GCD
strange wing
I just realized
tawny relic
More like Double Down
oak pike
double down
wary ginkgo
cant wait to see what people figure out the best combo paly has now
teal salmon
coarse badger
But at least it'll have big numbers now
700 potency goring blade every 60 seconds with burst phases are very nice
tawny relic
Oh finally
strange wing
Like just take the skill out of the game at this point
crystal arrow
brisk quail
And it seems like with FoF buffing all damage
shut oyster
they're trying to make them more flexible I think?
teal salmon
OH
brisk quail
PLD is gonna have to hyper weave.
Fof + Requi + OGCDs, + Confeitor/confetior combo + 123 goring
coarse badger
Warrior untouched 😦
brisk quail
- divine might holy spirits
teal salmon
Divine Veil is just an aoe barrier now
keen osprey
Remind me again when is the 6.3 patch?
earnest vine
IT'S HERE EVERYBODY, you can stop asking when patch notes are gonna come out now 
violet lichen
wait they nerfed fof duration lmao
brisk quail
Jeez. PLD got more busy with this in it's burst
coarse badger
Remind me again when is the 6.3 patch?
tomorrow i think
keen osprey
tomorrow i think
Oh, i thought it was today, thanks
weary yoke
it is today for some timezones
brisk quail
PLD has to pop FoF, Requi, it's whole magic combo, goring blade which is now blasting zone, it's two OGCDs, a Buffed Divine Might Holy Spirit AND maybe a 123
wary ginkgo
wait a minute, devine veil no longer requires you get healed for the barrior, now its just a barrior
plush summit
So uh just dropped in, how’s it looking
shrewd beacon
FoF is buffed not nerfed
brisk quail
This is not what I wanted SQEX
wind bough
Notes dropped 30s ago
brisk quail
Now my burst is MORE complicated
coarse badger
Mch new button???
wind bough
Yeah divine veil is like a real button now
carmine hollow
does Paladin have any new skills other than bulwark, and were any flat out removed (not just changed)? My hotbar was kinda already full as hell on controller lmao
shut oyster
Mch new button???
keen osprey
The change to Sheltron, is that technically a nerf? Because previously if we were inclined to, we could stack Sheltron to block and a mitigation without any diminishing returns?
strange wing
So, the job will probably do fine on damage.
brisk quail
does Paladin have any new skills other than bulwark, and were any flat out remo...
Bulwark was added, nothing was removed
carmine hollow
Bulwark was added, nothing was removed
Damn it
coarse badger
AAHAAHHAHHA YES
strange wing
They nerfed the shit out of everything so Fof+Resi doesn't melt bosses
shut oyster
oh shit they also reduced phlegma CD that is amazing, is gonna be so much easier to fit on 2 min windows
subtle pasture
how long is it between patch and .5 update
A few months or so,
oak pike
oh hey circle of scorn still a dot
shut oyster
assize CD being reduced just means overall more dps for white mage
brisk quail
PLD is also still a 60 second job
shut oyster
Rymi how we feeling
wary ginkgo
confitior combo costs mp now
woven briar
no love for casters 
brisk quail
Every minute it has to cram in a Requi FoF buffed Blade combo + Goring Blade + Holy Spirit that's buffed
woven briar
im fine with blm but rdm need some love
shut oyster
no love for casters <:Sadge:875036899352404048>
ranged DPS deserved a W for once
let them have it
iron birch
THEY GAVE FCKN DISMANTLE BACK
Whoops can see the future confirmed
crystal arrow
LETS GO https://i.imgur.com/P47ezZk.png
teal salmon
LETS GO https://i.imgur.com/P47ezZk.png
That was in the prelim
torpid yoke
Rymi how we feeling
Feelin pretty good
coarse badger
true, you guys deserve it
I can now take my place as a mch main
finally
praise be
strange wing
Live by the gun
iron birch
Aside job changes, nothing new in the patch notes
strange wing
Die by the gun
iron birch
They seem good
strange wing
Aside job changes, nothing new in the patch notes
Yea, pretty boring patch
coarse badger
Die by the gun
hell yea brother
brisk quail
so are they good or bad
Good for the health of PLD, bad for difficulty
iron birch
Let the balance work up the new rotation
brisk quail
Fof is now a general buff
strange wing
I'm sad that I'll have to wait two to three months for deep dungeon and relics
brisk quail
Goring is now blasting zone
keen osprey
So goring blade is now an OGCD
oak pike
goring is double down but no cost
brisk quail
Holy spirit is a movement button after a 123 combo
And requi is now Confetior combo ONLY
iron birch
Good for the health of PLD, bad for difficulty
SE streaming a job? Never saw it coming/s
torpid yoke
I can't believe mch has rights
strange wing
Tedium =/= difficulty
coarse badger
I can't believe mch has rights
GUN. MODE.
pallid girder
2 min riddle of earth what??
shut oyster
Phlegma going from 45 to 40 is actually god
keen osprey
And requi is now Confetior combo ONLY
Hold on wait what?
pallid girder
Just why
pallid girder
"The Riddle of Earth action has been revamped, removing the use of stacks and adding a healing over time effect to improve ease of use."
next gulch
So goring blade is now an OGCD
Nah, GCD. It's still called a weaponskill.
iron birch
2 min riddle of earth what??
To make it more like RPR shield
brisk quail
Confetior ready is given upon using requi
coarse badger
Wait so can u fit 6 heatblasts in wildfire now?
keen osprey
Nah, GCD. It's still called a weaponskill.
... that's dumb...