The last thing most raiders want to do is grind out a relic for BiS
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
reef edge
torpid yoke
they do it anyways
gilded wigeon
Grinding 1 relic ain’t too bad (except ARR holyshit) but yeah I wouldn’t wanna rush to do it to get BiS
frigid isle
When 6.3 ulti drops, do the ppl who try to get world firsts usually stream their prog
On twitch
I want to start watching
Are there famous streamers to look out for lol
iron birch
Some do
Well, the majority of streamers will + some groups
Arthas, Xeno Sys, Rin Karigani and others too prob
carmine basin
The ones mentioned always stream their world prog yea, woops as well
But usually the farthest gets linked around
flint iron
Does sfi stream his world first prog ?
candid sorrel
Weren't they expanding on criterion dungeons? Is there a new one this patch?
rain onyx
Weren't they expanding on criterion dungeons? Is there a new one this patch?
6.4 and 6.5 are when we're getting the next ones
candid sorrel
Awesome! Thanks, I knew it somewhere
I really adore the extra tidbits of lore they release and curious how they'll do it for other zones
iron birch
Does sfi stream his world first prog ?
No, TPS doesn't stream usually
flint iron
Ic
brisk quail
Tell them to reduce the cost of the items from the dungeons
I still have to do like 5 more runs to get my boots and gloves
subtle pasture
Tbf, steamer groups were pretty on par with WF prog last time
…if only because, um, TPS wasted hours brute forcing the loop
torpid yoke
iron birch
Well
TBF we really dunno cause a lot of people don't stream
And aside TPS we don't have any other point of reference
wind bough
I don't believe WF has ever been claimed by a group which streamed their prog?
plain crater
Are we getting PLD rework in 6.3?
iron birch
I just assume non streamers are like 1-2 mechanics ahead
wind bough
It just makes sense to keep your strats secret so that you don't give your competitors a leg up. We don't have big sponsored WF races like WoW so
iron birch
Are we getting PLD rework in 6.3?
Ye
iron birch
It just makes sense to keep your strats secret so that you don't give your compe...
I remember some people saying Neverland doesn't count cause they came out of nowhere and they weren't streaming
wtf
iron birch
Like I can get behind people disliking TPS if I squint really hard but what they do makes sense
Also many just do it for the servers meme thing anyway
wind bough
TPS hate was always stupid
iron birch
Yeee
brisk quail
Are we getting PLD rework in 6.3?
FUCK YEAH BITCHESS WOOOOO
NO LONGER A BROKEN CLASS
NO LONGER MISSINF A DEFENSIVE CD
WE BACK IN IT BOYYYYS
Heck even fucking Holy Shelltron got buffed
pastel venture
frigid isle
What does TPS stand for and where are they based
flint iron
Balance is out ?
tawny relic
Thoughts Per Second, they were a raiding group who got multiple world's first clears in a row
quasi cargo
TPS disbanded
brisk quail
PLD had it the roughest when progging fights cuz their gear impacts their defence more viscerally than other classes
tawny relic
And then disbanded recently because a few of their members were selling clears behind the other members' backs
brisk quail
Since block negation % is based on the gear
So on day one or with shit geat
Your main defensive CD is worse than flat ones from other classes
And you could get synced down to a certain ilvl and be stuck at 19% block mitigation
Not fun. Hurts my ocd
wind bough
Since TPS used datamined buff/debuff descriptions from the fight to help clear TEA (most other groups in that race did exactly the same thing), there was some backlash from anti-3rd party tools people
tawny relic
Anyways, there was a conspiracy theory going around that the group had a private server or some shit
frigid isle
And then disbanded recently because a few of their members were selling clears b...
That is cringe
wind bough
This got misunderstood by some people into being a "private server"
frigid isle
How does one “sell clears”
brisk quail
How does one “sell clears”
Account sharing or carrying really hard
tawny relic
People pay money to carry a shit player through a fight
frigid isle
Ohhh ic
brisk quail
Say hey. Give me 20 dollars and I'll beat the fight for you. Give me your controller
wind bough
since the idea of them having a private server was so stupid it became a big meme, but unfortunately this meme got popular on twitter and even more people thought that it was a real private server
brisk quail
since the idea of them having a private server was so stupid it became a big mem...
They prog in the basement obvs
frigid isle
I recently watched this, does this count as that 👀 https://youtu.be/0r7sX7Lwpik
brisk quail
Why use a private server when you can plug into the data center directly
tawny relic
So much so that Yoshi-P had to explain on a live letter that it would be legitimately impossible to have your own FFXIV server
wind bough
And since they got multiple WFs close together, people started hoping some underdog would topple their reign because people are just like that. This combined with the dumb "private server" allegations into a bunch of bizarre ill-will towards TPS
Then during DSR prog they, like most serious WF contenders, didn't stream their prog which made some ignorant people mad.
Then they started leaking tiny snippets of some of the unseen phase transitions and animations in DSR on Twitter. People for some reason didn't like this either and thought it was "arrogant"
buncha silliness
then TPS didn't win the WF because of a pretty dumb reason on their part though
tawny relic
They kept trying to save the LB3
iron birch
Then during DSR prog they, like most serious WF contenders, didn't stream their ...
People: "nooo, don't show snippets if you're not going to stream"
Also people: oh, this new transition looks cool
wind bough
idk why people would rather have no snippets while at the same time wanting them to stream.
brisk quail
Then during DSR prog they, like most serious WF contenders, didn't stream their ...
0.4 second trailer
Me: this coulda been a screenshot
iron birch
They kept trying to save the LB3
TBF I assume they tried, but iirc Haurchefaunt problem was also that his life exists before the life bar appears
Even on stream, people took a while to figure out the timing
lament seal
But hiring merc is okay
brisk quail
Implications are different
lament seal
just say you're selling mercenary services
same implication, different wording, but legal
brisk quail
Buying a clear is an RMT. Offering to pay gil for helping you with a fight is mercenary activities
As long as it stays in game
quasi cargo
I will help you clear content and you are free to tip me 
flint iron
One of my friend can't find static so she hire 7 merc
2 mil/person
14m gil for uwu clear
brisk quail
ooops I dropped a bag of 1million gil
it's so heavy... why don't you hold onto it so next time you see me you can give it back, k?
Also. Again. I'm hype as fuck for PLD rework
I can't wait to feel like a real class
And have an extra defensive cooldown so we're not the worst main tank
frigid isle
Ive heard of ppl using ACT for mechanic callouts
Specifically for UCOB
Isnt That like…. Cheating somehow 👀
brisk quail
Raid helpers are bad and icky
Any mmo that allows it and encourages it is icky too
dense flower
It just falls into using 3rd party pretty much
The problem that it is 3rd party
Not the callout itself
wind bough
Isnt That like…. Cheating somehow 👀
Well...is following callouts from a party member in VC cheating?
Either way you're relying on something else to tell you how to solve the mech
dense flower
^
subtle pasture
Smh, just read her dialogue while managing rotation and placing for any other mechanic happening simultaneously
brisk quail
That and... one has been preprogramed with data and the other one has been forged in combat
pastel venture
tbf vc callouts have the human element, id say act callouts is more cheatey than listening to callouts in VC
brisk quail
I mean that's a diffrence too.
brisk quail
And one can have errors
brisk quail
The other is perfect all the time.
subtle pasture
iirc it’s basically like “shine from on high” = thermionic, “raging steel” = iron chariot
brisk quail
And has no issues calling out mechanics the millisecond it happens
And who it's targeting
subtle pasture
But yeah it’s spicy to process them words in the middle of battle
brisk quail
And which version it'll be
dense flower
Fr you overestimating human shot caller
wind bough
tbf vc callouts have the human element, id say act callouts is more cheatey than...
Different for one person, the one doing the call-outs. No different for the other 7 party members
brisk quail
Fr you overestimating human shot caller
That's the computer I'm talking about
wind bough
I’ve had some good shot callers
brisk quail
Man's struggling. You good dude?
flint iron
I mean jp pf clear don't need any vc call out
dense flower
My guy people fuck up regardless if they have human callout right
flint iron
subtle pasture
The issue is when she says “shine from on high, raging steel” but its chariot > beam not beam > chariot
quasi cargo
My static is relying on me for doing nael quotes so its basically the same as them using ACT
dense flower
^
quasi cargo
Dont think ive gotten a quote wrong a single time either
dense flower
Dont make as hearing human callout is good while act callout bad
It is functionally the same
If one is cheating the other is cheating
Period
untold gull
it's functionally the same but it's really down to the human element
quasi cargo
Ye its also like... why does it matter really
if people were speedhacking and shit i would be mad
dense flower
When someone wanna be shotcaller
They rarely bad
Just
Idk man
Human aspect doesnt matter at all
untold gull
oh i don't know. i don't care much between human shotcaller and act shotcaller. i just entered chat
subtle pasture
Well the ACT is cheating by TOS standards, period.
But we collectively look away on that one, ofc
dense flower
Act cheating cuz it is 3rd party tool
flint iron
When someone wanna be shotcaller
One of my friend call out phase 2 mechanic instead of 1
dense flower
Same with cacbot
flint iron
dense flower
Not because it is helping people
dense flower
One of my friend call out phase 2 mechanic instead of 1
Idk man skill issue ig
subtle pasture
She only ever has 6 possible combos, iirc,
dense flower
Yeah
subtle pasture
Which is still too much for my brain, but yeah
dense flower
You dont need
To remember the whole quote anyway
Just few key word and it will click in
flint iron
I mean if you are depend on call out to do mech how do you gonna handle personal mech like hello world
dense flower
I mean
Someone can still call it out specifically for you
If not then hf some streamer get carried
dense flower
Not really
subtle pasture
Point bein’ it’s not necessary, just a convenience thing - to automate it with a 3rd party
The original cacbot meme was mega beam in A8S,
dense flower
Jack miss rage halone
subtle pasture
How you not gonna see the honking laser pointed your way 
subtle pasture
Probably TA things too, ig
quasi cargo
I dunno the more i play this game the more i worry about how people tie their shoes
subtle pasture
Or uh, rabbit
Tbf in the case of Nael deus she’s like,
One of the few raid bosses with strong dialogue tells like that
Wish they’d do it more,
quasi cargo
Same
subtle pasture
I mean, I also play WoW where every boss shouts an audio line behind almost every mechanic
wind bough
denizensssss of the abyssssss, from ink of blackest night....
subtle pasture
not a big dialogue tell but I’m also reminded how Oracle of Darkness has unique voicelines on the raidwides she performs before a relativity
quasi cargo
BURN TO CINDERS
subtle pasture
If the High Seraph did it Nael style, she’d have a generic cast name and the dialogue would refer to which Demi she was about to summon,
flint iron
Ffxiv raid need more voiceline
subtle pasture
But that’s too big brain for an Alliance 
flint iron
subtle pasture
They did say final tier of Panda Land would have more, so wooo
And the Twelve are full voiced 
quasi cargo
big pog
subtle pasture
In battle, I should say.
iron birch
Different for one person, the one doing the call-outs. No different for the othe...
TFW you record your voice and set it to go off thus breaking TOS /s
subtle pasture
If only side stories could have voiced cutscenes 
flint iron
And the Twelve are full voiced <a:cattosmolextremeexcite:634535979537137665>
Is this the limit of mankind
subtle pasture
A GIFT OF FLAME FOR OUR CHILDREN
frigid isle
Come something to my realm
subtle pasture
I think is the most memorable to me
quasi cargo
i dont know any of the english ones
subtle pasture
You’re gonna miss out on… Nophica? Being Y’shtola
Though there’s prob crossover on JP side too
wind bough
A GIFT OF FLAME FOR OUR CHILDREN
"I've quite warmed to you!" 
iron birch
Then again
untold gull
wait
iron birch
Few quotes remained impressed unto me
untold gull
is that why nophica sounded familiar!?
iron birch
The "shall making have the strength to" something something
Or "will you live to see the end?" And other Zodiark quotes
subtle pasture
I can’t recall which voice sounded like Shtola, but it is Noph > Alt > Men > Nym > Hal in order
frigid isle
Oh the zodiark one is iconic lol
wind bough
the great cataclysm...
subtle pasture
The wonders of Syrcus were but playthings
wind bough
fAITHfully recreated
Ravana lines are iconic in both EN and JP
great memories of HW launch
Furious as a blaze!
Chandarahaaaaaaaas!
pastel venture
susano 
quasi cargo
CRYSTALS
TO ME
wind bough
Susano is similar
iron birch
chilly bluff
My personal favorite Zodiark meme
subtle pasture
Thank you, I was about to go looking for that
I was like “what’s the Astral Flow line”
subtle pasture
There’s a timeline where Laura Bailey cameo’d as Eden!CoD,
But it’s a very far AU
subtle pasture
I guess that’s not even really a distinct voice so much as “Laura Bailey being hot and evil.”
glossy hemlock
I’ve only rolled over 90 ONCE and lost to 97.
subtle pasture
Did they add totem buy for EX1/2 yet
glossy hemlock
Yes
subtle pasture
Well there you go, just 12 more clears 
glossy hemlock
24
subtle pasture
Is it a 1 or 2 totem
glossy hemlock
He only drops one.
subtle pasture
Bless.
brisk quail
THE FINAL DAYS FAITHFULLY RECREATED
subtle pasture
Clearly I haven’t ran EX1/2 in a while
glossy hemlock
WILL YOU LIVE TO SEE THE END?
glossy hemlock
Clearly I haven’t ran EX1/2 in a while <:Sadge:929546342752206848>
Lucky 
quasi cargo
***THE FINAL DAYS FAITHFULLY RECREATED***
This was unironically how i explained the mechanic to my static
glossy hemlock
I just ran ten Hydaelyn in a row and the mount didn’t drop once
subtle pasture
I’m pretty certain I have no cats,
glossy hemlock
I have Barbie Lynx
subtle pasture
Nor have I even cleared EndEX
brisk quail
This was unironically how i explained the mechanic to my static
You thought this meme I made was Ironic?
glossy hemlock
I was lucky and got it on sixth run
brisk quail
This was a legtimate strat
glossy hemlock
Nor have I even cleared EndEX
Yeah I haven’t touched it either tbh
subtle pasture
I did a lockout and got bored of it because her mechanics are so bland,
And wasn’t interested enough in the weapons
brisk quail
End EX looks boring
brisk quail
Just lots of move to marker, mover to marker,
Not even like oh shit stuff is dynamic
glossy hemlock
Zodiark is boring enough
brisk quail
It's just planets spawned at A, lets go to B
And that's the fight
Wow. How tough
Meanwhile you got Barb going apeshit
glossy hemlock
Barbie my only issue is people wiping each other
Which annoys me
Cause if you’re in DF or farm party PF then you should know mechanics.
gilded wigeon
Love that, first run of barb had me like barb chill, barb chill please
quasi cargo
ff14 players try not to join parties you are unqualified for because you want to get carried
gilded wigeon
And that was on normal lol
gilded wigeon
On the same vein don’t join learning parties if you’re further ahead and will rq if they wipe on the spot they were learning
flint iron
ff14 players try not to join parties you are unqualified for because you want to...
Me on day 1 of p1s
Join fourfold party
Cleared
dense flower
that one time
flint iron
quasi cargo
it do really be hard to look at a debuff then stand still for 20 seconds while the mech solves itself
dense flower
people can say late week pf is clearable but doesnt mean you dont want to bite someone due to the stress of dealing with people dying left and right
dense flower
ikr
gilded wigeon
Had a drg yesterday that was only doing aoes in reclear, still cleared somehow
keen copper
Just wanted to make sure they're hitting the target yknow
sleek kestrel
But that’s too big brain for an Alliance <a:pensivewobble:620416696083021837>
alliance savage candidate
but tbh it shouldnt be too hard with the timing of the demi mechs in that raid
quasi cargo
Well to be fair, you have the same thing in the castrum abania dungeon with the element boss
so u could put it in the alliance raid
sleek kestrel
yeah I thought there was precedence for it in casual content before
but couldn’t recall exactly where
quasi cargo
I remember because my friend i was playing with at the time went on a massive tangent on how it was shit design and i was laughing really hard
wheat meadow
The cap for Abyssos items is removed in 6.3?
late aurora
Normal or savage
shut oyster
Did they ever said how we get the corgi minion
keen veldt
dont think so
gaunt star
Prob retainers
gaunt star
ff14 players try not to join parties you are unqualified for because you want to...
That's how I cleared UWU, I watched a guide 2 or 3 times and joined a clear party when i was still on Gaol prog bc the Ultima phase has 1 mechanic that's actually important and the rest are sleepers
quasi cargo
yeah i mean if u study its another thing
theres so many people who join groups that have no fucking idea what they are doing and just grief
gaunt star
And then they get mad when you call them out on it for some reason
How dare you expose someone for expecting a carry
wary ginkgo
is paladin getting changed? my friend said he was but i cant find info on anything?
tawny relic
It is
pulsar current
There’s not much info on it
But it is changing
All we know of in #translations-and-liveletters is loss of dots and bulwark is coming back
Granted I think blocking stuff is changing too
That may not be 100% for the last part
wary ginkgo
fun, guess ill be learning the new while doing story stuff then
loss of dots kinda doesent sound fun, since my dots were kidna how i timed my stuff
chilly bluff
The core rotation is changing somehow but we don't know details yet.
wary ginkgo
hopfully it overall ends up being as good or better
tawny relic
Granted I think blocking stuff is changing too
Presumably Sheltron and Holy Sheltron becomes flat damage reduction and Bulwark will be the guaranteed block buff
chilly bluff
The goal is to make it fit better with the 2 minute burst window standard, they say.
gaunt star
And the hopeful deletion of cover
pulsar current
Presumably Sheltron and Holy Sheltron becomes flat damage reduction and Bulwark ...
Ye that one
subtle pasture
Blocking is a special PLD thing right, the rest can only Parry?
plush summit
Question will we have to wait to see the new pvp armor set ingame (like waiting to get to the rank you need for it) or can we preview it on release day
subtle pasture
And Blocking itself is just, bonus Parry
brisk quail
PLD is the one class with block rate chances and strength
So it's a bonus parry.
Parry: Physical damage only (iirc), always a flat 15% mit
Block: Physical and Magical damage, anywhere from 15-20% based on ilvl/sync/content level
pulsar current
Question will we have to wait to see the new pvp armor set ingame (like waiting ...
You can preview the set from the series reward list
They added that in like 5.5? Iirc
brisk quail
So technically your block could be worse than a flat 20% mit based on when in an expac you are, or what content you're doing, or what gear you have
But you can also partially upgrade your main/off hand gear as a PLD
Since often they split the shield and sword for tomes and stuff
And sometimes they come bundled
Which is a neat feature for PLD only
PLD truly is the class of all time
wind bough
Blocking is a special PLD thing right, the rest can only Parry?
That’s right, not counting ARR WHM and BLM with 1h+shield
torpid yoke
Though you can't block while casting so it's almost useless for whm
Can be a boon for bozja blm though
subtle pasture
iirc that was a thing in Delubrum Savage
torpid yoke
Using wands and shields? Ye
dim sigil
Bring them back
brisk quail
iirc that was a thing in Delubrum Savage
Yes cuz level sync
It auto leveled your stats and gear and stuff
brisk quail
But our AoE mit still won't protect us
Pog. I love divine succor veil that doesn't heal me
Can we get PLD medica next? Maybe a PLD Liturgy?
reef edge
PLD raise
teal salmon
it had it in ARR and HW
brisk quail
Should honestly lean more into PLDs niche
Supportive tank, and maybe add good at mitigating multihit attacks
DRK can be the best at eating massive single hit busters with it's shield
And WAR can be the best at mitigating DoTs with it's larger HP pool and constant heals
But PLD should be the best at stopping multihit busters
gaunt star
PLD should be the most defensive tank bc it has a shield
brisk quail
Like every hit we take when we have a buff up we heal for a portion of the damage taken
Or consecutive hits during the buff's duration reduces the damage of further hits
Like it starts as a 20% mit and scales up to 50% over 20 seconds with 2% gain per hit
brisk quail
PLD should be the most defensive tank bc it has a *shield*
And... THIS
I dunno WHY it's not this way
somber storm
PLD should be the most defensive tank bc it has a *shield*
Nah, let our shield fuse with our sword for more damage
brisk quail
Nah, let our shield fuse with our sword for more damage
Yoshi-P: The best we can do is Clemency II
gaunt star
PLD can do the least damage idc but it's silly how the job with the shield is less defensive than the jobs without one
brisk quail
PLD can do the least damage idc but it's silly how the job with the shield is le...
GNB
Bruh
This tank deals more damage and manages to mitigate harder than PLD can
And it's base combo has mitigation baked in
Like the fuck
We just get MP
Every other tank gets passive mitgiation or heals
PLD gets MP and then is pressured to NOT use clemecy
gaunt star
We get MP even tho MP management has never been an issue as a PLD
brisk quail
We get MP even tho MP management has never been an issue as a PLD
Like. You can DIE then just wait 10 seconds. Use your OGCDs and have enough MP to use the whole requi combo with no restrictions
Like. We DON'T need MP
gaunt star
I legit don't understand why they made the Valor combo give MP in the 6.1 buffs
We're there people seriously struggling with MP as a PLD??
brisk quail
Like...
inland delta
I saw some samurai looking gear on twitter, is that real?
gaunt star
Ye the Heavensturn gear
brisk quail
Heavenstrum gives you a oriental styled set if you draw your fortune
somber storm
It is fr
brisk quail
And you should. It's culturally fufilling and lets you know your year is gonna go shit and your better start praying
gaunt star
But Cover should be removed from the game in pve imo
It's kinda useless
It was good in SB
brisk quail
But Cover should be removed from the game in pve imo
Remember when it wasn't?
gaunt star
But they'll never bring back SB Cover
brisk quail
Remember when it had damage mitigation?
Remember when using it didn't kill you in 98% of circumstances
gaunt star
Back when PLD actually had defense
brisk quail
By doubling up knockback and DoTs and everything?
Yeah that's a neat thing. pld cover eats knockbacks and debuffs
inland delta
Ye the Heavensturn gear
This?
inland delta
Oooh that's the Tataru gear
OH SHE GOT WAY BETTER AT MAKING CLOTHES
It was the evil
I'm assuming
gaunt star
<:mewpaissa:448386227196919819>
I used cover in SHB dungeons so my melee dps didn't have to do mechanics sometimes
But that's it
teal salmon
you know she made our job gear for EW right?
somber storm
She also made our patch gear as well
inland delta
you know she made our job gear for EW right?
The link outfit?
brisk quail
What dies less...
A naked man with an axe
A guy with a trench coat and a gun
A guy in full black armor and the sword the size of their body
Or a guy in full armor and shield which in melee combat has proven to be one of the safest and most defensive combat styles spare spear and shield?
teal salmon
the artifact gear
inland delta
She did that? I have mixed feelings on those, but she's doing a good job.
I assume her improvements are because she is becoming more evil
gaunt star
But the naked guy with the axe can protect himself from bleeds
brisk quail
But the naked guy with the axe can protect himself from bleeds
If he just forgets that he takes damage he doesn't take damage, dummy.
teal salmon
she's also a master culinarian
teal salmon
oh
she also made the outfits and weapons the Scions use when they come back from the First
inland delta
Is that new gear , she just gives you in a quest or do you gotta give her 25 butt tomestones or whatever
tawny relic
She got some help with the weapons, but otherwise yeah
She also made her own airship
inland delta
That I know I just didn't know she made the artifact gear
I thought she hired people for it
teal salmon
there was this whole big unskippable cutscene after fighting Mom
inland delta
Like it seemed like she had a whole business going
brisk quail
I'm also really hoping PLD gets a visual rework too for their base melee combo
gleaming rampart
Remember it's canon that Tataru can use creation magic, she's just unaware of it
tawny relic
That I know I just didn't know she made the artifact gear
Drafted the designs for it, at minimum
tawny relic
Yeah, she just made a permanent Carbuncle
brisk quail
Rage of Halone FEELS like it has impact
gaunt star
Idk how to put it
brisk quail
Like its a flurry of slashes
Royal Authority is just an air spin
And attonement is 🥹
Barring any gameplay impacts it has
Which still piss me off
gaunt star
Royal Authority is just an air spin
And we already have that with Prominence
brisk quail
And goring blade
gaunt star
Goring Blade animation fucks
brisk quail
The SFX could be better
gaunt star
Ye
brisk quail
Then you have riot bladw
What about a little poke is riot?
And how is it blade?
More like peaceful poke
Protest Poke
There we go
Mild Disdain Prod
gaunt star
Gentle Tap
Confiteor has the best animation tho bc you hip thrust
And a giant sword just appears
brisk quail
I'm happy we're finally getting one of our missing defensive cooldowns
But also I'm sad because it'll likely not be 100% block rate
So it's a conditional maybe you'll die
gaunt star
So you know how they said we won't lose our stacks or whatever right
brisk quail
I heard something like.
You do melee combo to get buff and you use buff for thing
I assume it's for quick cast holy spirit
gaunt star
A little worried about what rotations will look like then
If only they showed gameplay
brisk quail
But then it'd make PLD more free form if they rid of instant cast on Requi
Or if they kept requi instsnt
Then you'd have spare for movement
gaunt star
Kind of weird how they didn't
brisk quail
Probably cuz it's still in progress
They bascially gotta do a reset on PLD
Cuz of how fucky it is
gaunt star
PLD needs to just stay as GLD
brisk quail
Not wrong
gaunt star
Rewrite the 30-60 job quests
brisk quail
They also need to COMBINE SPELL AND SKILL SPEED
gaunt star
I wanna smack whoever wrote those
brisk quail
LIKE STOP MAKING THEM SEPRATE AND MAKING ME AS A PLD SUFFER WITH BASE GCD MAGIC
GIVE ME A TRAIT OR SOMETHING PLEAAAASE
tawny relic
DRK, too
gaunt star
Why is unmend a spell 
brisk quail
I mean DRK has like 2 GCDs it can do with magic
So they only lose like a second max in a fight
tawny relic
Their AoEs and Unmend are GCD spells
brisk quail
pld meanwhile has 8 magic GCDs back to back
Every minute
Meaning they lose upwards of a second every 2 or 3 minutes
That's why we're also stuck in dumb two attonement hell
dim sigil
Scrapping pld and redoing it 100% is a nice dream, mch to
brisk quail
PLD just needs to not feel like booty cheeks to level and not feel like a detriment when you're not in BiS
It feels like if I have to tank as PLD in hard content and I'm not geared up to the teeth and just barely scraping the ilvl reqs, you'll die far more than the WAR or DRK ever will
And it doesn't feel great when you chose a class for the Class Fantasy of being the stalwart protector
And you're the flimsiest piece of cardboard on the field and covering damage on anyone results in you dying
tawny relic
Why be stalwart protector when you could be Batman
Or what people think is Batman but is more like Japanese Spider-Man
somber storm
brisk quail
PLD Class Fantasy: I will protect all with my oath and bonds, nothing will pierce my shield and my defence will remain steadfast
PLD Class Reality: Pls don't target me for more than 5 seconds my CDs get scared
somber storm
Be like spider-man. A total goof but will 100% kill you if you fucked around and find out
pulsar current
PLD Class Fantasy: *I will protect all with my oath and bonds, nothing will pier...
yeah, it has to be fantasy, it sure as shit aint the job quests
gaunt star
Jenlyns being the worst job teacher out there
brisk quail
Class Fantasy Fever Dream
somber storm
Where Oathkeeper
pulsar current
Jenlyns being the worst job teacher out there
"""job""" """""""teacher""""""
somber storm
I want to dual wield Oathkeeper and Curtana
gaunt star
"""job""" """""""teacher""""""
tawny relic
I'm glad everyone's natural response to Jenlyns is wanting to kick him over the balcony he's leaning up against
gaunt star
Jenlyns is so forgotten about that after HW you go back to being a GLD
You only talk to him to get your quests
He isn't even in the lvl 80 quest 
torpid yoke
They'd have to make pld block every hit that hits them to fulfill that
And pvp cover would lead to more skipping of mechanics again
torpid yoke
Neat
subtle pasture
oh neat, the feathery motif of Edengate/Edengrace attire was an allusion to FF8
scans for 6.3 things
just the parasol in rainy weather capability and that neat glam from Tataru's stuff
lusty shadowBOT
next gulch
pulsar current
"how dare you stand where he stood?"
pallid girder
my frienemy!
brisk quail
And pvp cover would lead to more skipping of mechanics again
Like we don't skip every tankbuster or swap we can by popping invuln
rain onyx
Cover giving innate mitigation would make it slightly useful, at least
torpid yoke
You mean like it used to
rain onyx
torpid yoke
gaunt star
I can't see them bringing back old cover
torpid yoke
I can
gaunt star
Better off just getting rid of it tbh
dim sigil
Rework how magic works as a whole for pld
torpid yoke
Nah
gaunt star
WAR pops cover and just heals themself through the shared damage
rain onyx
Though cover nowadays will just kill the Paladin if they use it for a forced swap buster
torpid yoke
Just rework skill and spell speed into haste
rain onyx
Since they’ll get the debuff and then auto attacked
Unless they can cancel the buff fast enough or time it perfectly
gaunt star
They should
torpid yoke
Only for the better
tawny relic
Yeah, and for all three of them, it's a good thing
dense flower
Unless they can cancel the buff fast enough or time it perfectly
Well
They can just
Move away
Cuz cover has distance limit
oak pike
Benefit paladin the most
Rdm just for that one gcd
Drk is weird cause it’s only their aoe and pull that is affected
Oh wait rdm also has reprise and their aoe melee that’s not 1.5
torpid yoke
they never had a combat rez though
tawny relic
Yeah, just an out of combat one
torpid yoke
we have too many combat rezzes anyways
rain crest
!faq Juicy
lusty shadowBOT
rain crest
let me double check what I've done so far
I did the alliance raid, the normal raids, the hildibrand quests, Island Sanctuary
and the MSQ
also, 610 gear will be enough
all that's left is leveling RDM, DNC, and WHM to 90
but they might get to 90 after 6.3 releases
torpid yoke
eureka i 6.35 so you have time
frigid isle
what rewards will drop for ex 5
tawny relic
Weapon
frigid isle
what ilevel would it be
analog hemlock
Which one is tank
chilly bluff
analog hemlock
There she is
tawny relic
Which one is tank
Left-most, presumably
flint iron
left most is maiming
pastel venture
nah its the middle one
chilly bluff
cinder spindle
is that the loporrit? mount?
chilly bluff
Yep
cinder spindle
lame
analog hemlock
I'm pretty sure that's the treasure map mount and not the lopporit
analog hemlock
It has the same designs as the treasure map and the rabbit robot is the tribe mount
tawny relic
Yeah, I remember that there was the rabbit bot
pine epoch
yay updates on the patch site
pine epoch
And only elpis
analog hemlock
If we can't glam the cursed bush
pastel venture
ayo we heading back to the first for the splendor tools?
chilly bluff
Seeing it again, yeah, this new map looks like bullshit lol
analog hemlock
What's the point
chilly bluff
🥺
tawny relic
And since Gymnasion Aganaion is unrelated to the bnuuys, the elephant's probably a second mount
pine epoch
In the late Third Astral Era, when the ancient Allagan Empire was at the zenith of its glory, researchers toiled deep under the Crystal Tower to uncover secrets which might uplift their motherland to even greater heights. Their laboratory was dubbed Eureka Orthos, where impossible concepts of immortality, cloning, and dominion over the divine were made reality. So fantastic was this research that the legend of Eureka has endured through the ages─and it now falls to the star's foremost adventurer to bring the laboratory's buried secrets into the light of day.
analog hemlock
It can be a mount from the normal 90 maps
flint iron
shiny
analog hemlock
Doesn't have to be from the new one
chilly bluff
Bnuuy hub
pine epoch
In the flowering fields of Il Mheg stand the leafmen, erstwhile mortals who now spend their days as topiary bushes generally do─in quiet contemplation. However, Lydha Lran's status quo is shaken to its roots when the pixies discover a highly irregular shrubbery in their midst. Eo Tyr is quick to identify him as "Anden," but who is this lump of leaves anyway? And why won't he stop talking?
chilly bluff
Oh god we're going to have to oil up Gerolt aren't we 
somber storm
Seeing it again, yeah, this new map looks like bullshit lol
Nah, Yoshi-P is just bad at it /j
somber storm
Gerolt really just greased himself up, huh
Man is becoming a Manderville man just to forge the weapons
pastel venture
gerolt better hit the manderville dance at some point
analog hemlock
Mandeville is teaching him how to get his rizz back
pine epoch
I think the alliance raid armor is better looking this time
chilly bluff
I like the ice
flint iron
seem to be new pvp glam
base on eh
what did the crow people call again
i'm so bad with name
chilly bluff
That's been in since SB
chilly bluff
From what I can see, those seem to be all existing sets.
tawny relic
The Gymnasion Agonon has the first boss of Ktisis with a party hat
somber storm
Mnk looks new
tawny relic
what did the crow people call again
Tengu?
flint iron
ye
pine epoch
Ya its SB pvp gear
tawny relic
https://tenor.com/view/sekiro-sekirot-sekiro-woooooo-sekiro-tengu-gif-24543059
I love the woo guy
chilly bluff
This looks awesome, is it someone's bouse?
New crafting tribe quest hub
pine epoch
We already know what the new pvp armor set is. From the battle pass
we just don't have a in game screenshot yet
subtle pasture
Dang that hair is glorious
And neat, part of the greatsword blade becomes a hand guard for the shield, didn’t notice that
dense flower
what ilevel would it be
625
pine epoch
Dreamingway redecorating the Moon
wary perch
pine epoch
With the moon no longer needed for interstellar evacuation, myriad tiny voices cry out for new purpose. Fortunately for the erstwhile starship crew, their own Dreamingway has no little experience in fretting over such matters, and is determined to help each and every Loporrit find their way.
subtle pasture
Space mall space mall
pastel venture
have we met dreamingway?
analog hemlock
I'm pretty sure in the yellow side quests in mare we have
Their quest chain will be needed to unlock the tribe
pine epoch
yes do mare lamentorum side quest to unlock this btw
elder rock
I can’t tell which is which
If those 2 on the left are caster and healer I consider them a massive step down and utterly unworthy of their peers in the photo
teal salmon
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/promo/h/_/CYJKAEFiVWTy7BSQjqsg5KxPMg.jpg?_ga...
the accents say that its probably Menphina-based clothes
subtle pasture
Yeah, def drawing more from Menphina
lusty shadowBOT
Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.
obtuse trout
Oh yeah that's surely menphina
Looks good tbh just gotta see how it actually looks on my character once patch is out
elder rock
Not impressed with 2nd and 3rd from left at all.
That screams “graphic designers ran out of time and dumped half baked assets”
earnest vine
the two on the right really remind of sage artifact gear. Which I'm cool with, I've always wanted to wear that set on something other than sage
pastel venture
ngl i think i like aglaia gear more
this kinda just feels like something ive seen before but 
elder rock
ngl i think i like aglaia gear more
Agreed with 2nd and 3rd right
lament seal
the new gear doesn't look... "godly" to me
earnest vine
same. I don't hate it, I quite like that fending/maiming gear, but it doesn't have that WOW factor the Aglaia sets have
elder rock
Rest have amazing layering, detail, accents.
2nd and 3rd left are just fing sheets
lament seal
still a super good set tho
but not for a "god" theme imo
pine epoch
I wasn't really a big fan of Aglaia gear. Maiming was a good set and I like the translucent veil cape on fending. But wasn't really interesting
jaunty current
Tank and Maiming Gear getting screwed over with headgear again
pine epoch
The ice sticking out of most of these Euphrosyne gear pieces aren't really good looking.
earnest vine
yeah those magic sets are just... c'mon. Couldn't do better than more of the same basic robes? It feels like those sets already exist in the game
pine epoch
The non armored stuff looks the best to me in the Euphrosyne gear
elder rock
yeah those magic sets are just... c'mon. Couldn't do better than more of the sam...
I’ve literally seen crafteds from 2 expansions ago that look the same
pine epoch
The armored sets look hard to use as actual glam
earnest vine
the armored sets remind me of a set from GW2. Like, the first thing I thought when I saw those was "I have that in GW2"
pine epoch
On another discord of mine someone joked the battle pass 3 armor for PVP will be named Archangel as opposed to battle pass 1 being Archfiend. to go with the fact the 2 teams are Astra and Umbra
elder rock
Wouldn’t know.
Got tired of anet mismanaging the game and rewarding cheaters very early and it’s personal
pine epoch
Aglaia armor is kind of whatever too. You can tell from looking at Euphrosyne and Aglaia their based on the final boss of their raid tier.
Euphrosyne Menphina, Aglaia Nald'thal
the fending and maiming of Aglaia however are easy to kind of use as glam for other sets.
earnest vine
3rd will be, what, Oschon at this rate?
pastel venture
idk i really like the fending aglaia gear on my bun
pine epoch
3rd will be ??? because we only have 3 gods remaining to fight in the 3rd raid
pastel venture
it fits perfectly with hw relic
elder rock
Aglaia armor is kind of whatever too. You can tell from looking at Euphrosyne an...
The healer and caster sets are amazing.
And now when I’m finally seeing blues and silvers I get table cloths for my healers and casters
pastel venture
for my pld
pine epoch
Since Nymeia will be a boss in Euphrosyne
that means only thaliak, llymlaen, and oschon remain
meaning the final boss of Myths is unknown
pine epoch
I mean I can throw a guess at who the final boss is on a dart board
earnest vine
that would put 5 of the Twelve in Euphrosyne though, and I can't image they make one a mini-boss
earnest vine
Ah. Getting beat up by TWO gods
elder rock
By aesthetics, 2nd from the right should be the new healer set
jaunty current
Rng goddess and the timer God fighting me?
earnest vine
they already confirmed in the live letter when they previewed it
white set is healer, blue is caster
jaunty current
Oh my i have a revenge to fulfill
pine epoch
1 water and 2 wind gods remain
God of knowledge and water Thaliak, Goddess of wind the navigator Llymlaen, and God of adventurers Oschon.
glossy hemlock
LLYMLAEN MY BELOVED
elder rock
white set is healer, blue is caster
I’m feeling robbed.
Where is the real healer and caster gear instead of “interns first project”
pine epoch
just not your aesthetic simple as that 😦
elder rock
It’s a copy of half a dozen leveling greens and crafteds
pine epoch
Ya but the main complaint is casters and healers only get robes.
once in a blue moon you get something unique
every other time its another Robe
earnest vine
It just REALLY reminds of the Edengrace top is all. Personally, I think it looks good, but I was kind of hoping for something more flashy.
pastel venture
ngl im kinda excited for who the final boss of the 12 will be
earnest vine
That’s some good armor too
jaunty current
ngl im kinda excited for who the final boss of the 12 will be
Oschon
pastel venture
doubt
pine epoch
The Black Warden Keeper of the Seventh Gate
elder rock
Just do pvp for the cool battle pass armor
I play lala.
Full armor always looks dumb.
Best aesthetics are cloth with armor hybrids and leathers with pauldrons
jaunty current
God of adventurers Is fitting af tho
slow trench
Just do pvp for the cool battle pass armor
is that on 6.3 or 6.35?
earnest vine
But full armor lala is best lala
frigid isle
is this gonna stay? jw
pine epoch
6.3 its the battle pass armor
you get it for hitting level 25 in Series
just farming any pvp mode will reward you with EXP
jaunty current
But full armor lala is best lala
Weaponized football
slow trench
ez
pine epoch
the level 25 reward going away when 6.3 drops is Fylgja which be a Dragon.
elder rock
6.3 its the battle pass armor
If the bottoms are a separate piece I’d finally have something that looks good with edenchoir
jaunty current
I wish they updated the site with a picture of the armor so we can get a better look
earnest vine
Yes
elder rock
Crotch cape
pine epoch
Ah. Probably wont be part of the pants. Last time they did that was Thaliak armor from Heavensward
I think it was thaliak
Or was it Althyk?
elder rock
Ah. Probably wont be part of the pants. Last time they did that was Thaliak armo...
Don’t forget lunar envoy and abyssos
pine epoch
And same we need a preview image of the battle pass armor that isn't low quality on a piece of white paper
as the armor is White
on a white background
earnest vine
Just see better
jaunty current
But we asking too much
pine epoch
Abyssos doesn't do that
but lunar envoy does
are you confusing abyssos with something else?
elder rock
I’d just like a design qc that isn’t blind or responsible for the 1970s
The caster and healer gear just doesn’t match the rest for the alliance raid, just like the drk abyssos weapon looks positively awful compared to the other tanks
elder rock
I know right?
The rest have cool ashen steel, liquid fire, and red hot chains.
The drk weapon is.. a spatula with fire effects worse than suzaku flame kissed
That thing should have liquid fire edges and tons of chains on it
jaunty current
I hate It
lament seal
i hate it aswell
elder rock
I mean abyssos gear in general looks bad
Part of that is they don’t have the glow change hue with the dye.
jaunty current
I wish the tank/maim effect was on the actual armor like the rest of the models
pallid girder
ahhh yes, a more clearer view of the sets.
But hmmm
elder rock
You could dye the fending dragoon blue and and still the red hula hoop
elder rock
ahhh yes, a more clearer view of the sets.
But hmmm
The rest aesthetically match.
The dom sets are thaliak but more boring
pastel venture
also idk if this is a dumb take but mask looking suspiciously like ancients mask 👀
jaunty current
I wish tanks didnt get another dumb circlet
astral terrace
I want more hats for viera ngl
elder rock
Are they making sweaty gerolt now
When I was doing the first manderville weapon, the theme for shadowbringers came on my playlist as that sweat bead made its journey.
It was comic perfection
pallid girder
slow trench
Are they making sweaty gerolt now
making so many relic weapons for people got him sweaty and tired
pallid girder
more like dealing with rowena made him sweaty and tired
jaunty current
Not in the way he would want
pastel venture
well she is a goddess...
pine epoch
But also long hair is sometimes a pain to take care of
I with curly hair hate it when my hair gets long as it becomes to tangled up that it takes hours to fix
pastel venture
yeah i meant like, a goddess probably has some magic to do it efficiently
pine epoch
in a few weeks post the patch at least I get to listen to From the heavens orchestral in the actual game.
Our shadows lost in light, this life
A fleeting kiss
Hark! Temptation rings!
pallid girder
i want to listen that one part in the trailer again
https://media.tenor.com/D4TFESTlcVMAAAAC/anya-anya-forger.gif
"Remember, the mark of a terrible magic is a Fiddler going absolutely nuts"
pine epoch
From the Heavens still being undefeated as the best final boss theme in 14
continues to be the main reason why I heavily dislike endsinger themes x3
earnest vine
I can’t wait to hear how it sounds in the ultimate, it sounded like a remix in the trailer and I NEED MORE
pallid girder
Put the mandervilles and gogo in a team, and they could probably defeat anything in the ff14 universe...
pine epoch
Also the way the lyrics are written for from the heavens gives it a biblical feel that feel like they go with Shadowbringers
pallid girder
Well im also wondering how the omega ultimate weapons will look like
pine epoch
As two become one, Irons sundered paradise plundered
If they decide to give us the missing o12s weapons unlike A12s
then they will be o12s
but different colored and glowing
earnest vine
I’m gonna predict, some sort of blue techy glow
pine epoch
maybe a red and blue dna helix
pine epoch
thats if they want to make them
Alexander got gimped and used Anima weapons hyperconductive forms
and gnb and dnc used Mt Gulg weapon models
pallid girder
Ach, didnt know that!
pine epoch
instead of using A12s weapons
earnest vine
They could end up using Eureka models, given that, and some ransoms for SGE and RPR. But I really hope it’s the o12s weapons
toxic galleon
dnc uses the Shire model doesn't it :0 unless they're the same lol
pine epoch
Also the from the heavens in the trailer isn't a new remix. been around since 2019
It just hasn't been in game till this patch
well till next tuesday
or well...
A few weeks when ultimate releases
earnest vine
where can find?
pine epoch
probably can find someone posting it on youtube if you search "From the Heavens"
the choir and instruments are beautiful
pallid girder
the opening part?
pine epoch
Thats not the one
Thats the wrong version
Look for Hero Mafia
they uploaded the eorzean symphony version of from the heavens
earnest vine
Yeah the one in the trailer wasn’t the exact same version from o12s, I’ve been in there long enough to recognize it
pine epoch
the gamerescape link up above contains all the lyrics to the song if you wish to learn and sing along
earnest vine
Million thanks 
I do love that song. Just the thought of hearing it will get me through ultimate prog when the time comes
pine epoch
This ends our journey, never ending onward march!
THIS IS OUR ESCAPE THIS OUR ASCENSION!
flint iron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_gO-iEOwB4
the last 30 second of this version
is literally adredaline in music form
pallid girder
is literally adredaline in music form
When I didnt know the lyrics at first, I misheard as "Eat this Noctis eat this Noctis"
pine epoch
There... is no songs with latin lyrics
Makers ruin does but thats it
You see. Every single orchestral song in the game.
elder rock
There’s a synth wave version of makers ruin floating around that’s arguably better than any official version
pine epoch
Ultima, Heroes, Worms Tail, From the Heavens, Invincible, Promises to Keep, Endcaller. Use Voice Synthesizers. This is something soken and his team does to save time and money on having a choir perform these songs. And these songs usually don't end up getting written lyrics. They eventually do get lyrics because of the eorzean symphony.
They released the eorzean symphony lyrics for invincible early because eorzean symphony 2 happened literally same week as shadowbringers dropping and emets phase 2 theme was the encore track
So few weeks later dev blog post with the lyrics came out
out of the tracks I've named. Promises to keep is the only one left without real lyrics
elder rock
Ultima, Heroes, Worms Tail, From the Heavens, Invincible, Promises to Keep, Endc...
Big fat tacos - oh big fat tacos - oh big fat tacos - so biig
pallid girder
SO BIIIG
astral terrace
lament seal
man, ShB was wild in its trials & memes
pine epoch
For endcaller and invincible the synthesized choir is written off as the ancients singing thus thats why you can't understand the words.
elder rock
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv-XwJMEdao
Found it.
Just one of those things that “just works”
1:10 for the hook
tired kettle
??? what does this say
gilded wigeon
Muhld?
vast shuttle
is the weekly raid drop limit gonna be removed this patch or next patch?
iron birch
Next
crystal mortar
??? what does this say
A very chuffed music i think
cinder spindle
still mildly miffed that loporrit mount is just a damn elephant
gilded wigeon
Woulda preferred lunatender queen or a loporrit chauffer
pine epoch
BTW I can confirm the Blackjack is a 4 seater mount
pallid girder
giant carrot rocket mount please
somber storm
Kakarot mount
pallid girder
Galick mount
kindred urchin
ahhh yes, a more clearer view of the sets.
But hmmm
The... pure light weapons are made for these
Idgaf which one is maiming i want all of them
torn igloo
For endcaller and invincible the synthesized choir is written off as the ancient...
;_;
i really hope they give us a lyricked endcaller one day
pine epoch
You missed it we got lyrics @torn igloo
torn igloo
whaa?
winged lagoon
It's mostly just rearranged Endwalker Footfalls lyrics
shut oyster
I can't fucking tell what job is what outside of healing and casting because that one is obvious
and fending and maiming although that one is different colors so idk wich one is it
healing and casting looking as boring as ever though
torn igloo
oh nice ty
quasi cargo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892267310742655006/1060540443764469820/zc...
bro is the bungirls neck ok 💀 💀
shut oyster
no it looks so weird
shut oyster
i'm still shocked how they continue to beat themselves in who makes the most boring looking healing/casting gear known to man
breaking new records
rain onyx
the curse of magic classes
tbh I love a couple of the leveling sets
the level 66 set was a nice mix of cloth and leather
shut oyster
I mean I understand, but if you're gonna make a robe at least make it look good and not a basic piece of cloth you know
is like so boring looking, no flavour
rain onyx
!iglam Atrociraptorskin coat of casting
lusty shadowBOT
Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.
crystal arrow
the casting doesnt look super boring this time
fluid basalt
i wonder if 6.3 MSQ will compare with 3/4/5.3 in terms of story impact... since the alliance raid seems to be more prominent in the trailer
silk cape
Given that 6.1-6.5 are altogether supposed to do the setup for 7.0 (rather than x.1-x.3 tying up loose ends from the expansion MSQ and x.4-x.5 being the prequel to the next expansion) I think the patterns are all thrown off.
glossy hemlock
I like the crystals in the gear tbh
torpid yoke
i wonder if 6.3 MSQ will compare with 3/4/5.3 in terms of story impact... since ...
it'd compare with 2.3 probably
upper siren
Hi everyone, just a quick question. Will the Augmented Rinascita gear be released in this patch? I've been trying to find info but couldn't find it anywhere.
rain onyx
Yes
daring rapids
Might i ask who 2 people at the end of 6.3 trailer are? Should i do a questline i missed regarding it before the patch drops?
crystal arrow
it's omega ultimate
daring rapids
I've seen what they're wearing from people running around so i assume it's a raid?ù
Ah
crystal arrow
do the omega raids if you wanna know more about them
daring rapids
Haven't done Omega yet, i'll try to do the basic ones
glossy hemlock
I've seen what they're wearing from people running around so i assume it's a rai...
Their outfits you can buy on mogstation.
daring rapids
Ooooh, i assume they belong to those two characters at the end?