Good tool
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
oak pike
torpid yoke
but tools can be misused
oak pike
Used terribly by w lot of people
iron birch
Pretty much
torpid yoke
and ppl misuse it because they dont understand how to use it
gaunt star
Tracking your performance is fine
crystal arrow
not sure this is a good argument because even w/o fflogs people would notice the issues with p8s.
gaunt star
But some people use it for dungeons and act like everyone should be playing their best 100% of the time
crystal arrow
it's healthy for balance because it makes it more apparent.
iron birch
What
oak pike
P8s was a fuck up on the devs part for over tune it
gaunt star
Nothing aside raids and exs should be taken seriously
Tell that to the people I've seen
iron birch
Then my fella, you hang around the wrong people
oak pike
Take away the 1% 2% and folks would notice it less
torpid yoke
Nah the devs just said "git good"
iron birch
Although it is funny to shit on the one DPS that isn't pressing its buttons during aglaia
gaunt star
Oh definitely
torpid yoke
I mean you dont need a tracker to notice something like that
gaunt star
But aslong as someone is doing the bare minimum then it's fine
iron birch
Also p8s has the other problem that since the 2 phases last different times during p1, buffs don't align well
During one set
iron birch
I mean you dont need a tracker to notice something like that
I don't have animation on and I'm not looking at the other 23 people during Alli raids
crystal arrow
i dont really see the issue of fflogs as the game stands
the devs tolerate it but the "no discussing in game" keeps it from being particularly toxic.
gaunt star
Fflogs itself is fine
iron birch
But aslong as someone is doing the bare minimum then it's fine
tbf I saw people just doing their 123 in lvl 90 raids, so if they do a bit more than the bare minimum would be cool
gaunt star
It's some of the people who use it is the problem
torpid yoke
You can find ways to say it without noting fflogs
crystal arrow
that just comes with the territory mango
gaunt star
~~tbf I saw people just doing their 123 in lvl 90 raids, so if they do a bit mor...
In normal raids I don't really mind it bc there's no enrage
crystal arrow
unfortunately
iron birch
In normal raids I don't really mind it bc there's no enrage
Oh, ye, I mean for alliance
torpid yoke
and if you use that way you get accused of parsing
iron birch
Cause they take so long already
gaunt star
Oh, ye, I mean for alliance
Oh for alliance sometimes I don't notice it tbh
iron birch
Normal raids is like 1-2 minute difference at best
gaunt star
I've ran copied before and half of the people in the alliance didn't know that Engels had a tower mechanic
Bc usually you skip it
oak pike
Must be very unhappy if you run logs on anything outside of ex and savage
iron birch
I do it during Alli to see who is the shitter of the run /s
gaunt star
Well getting an orange on a dungeon is difficult
torpid yoke
And when they do it while im in the party i greatly appreciate it 
crystal arrow
I like to log everything for fun.
gaunt star
Bc it's about speed
crystal arrow
Dungeon speed parses are always funny lmao
gaunt star
Logging things is fine but if someone complains about someone in a dungeon then all is lost
crystal arrow
unless its something like "why arent you doing any damage"
which is noticable without it
gaunt star
unless its something like "why arent you doing any damage"
"Bc I don't know how to play the job, I'm just leveling it"
iron birch
Logging things is fine but if someone complains about someone in a dungeon then ...
My friend has only cursed dungeon runs
Kek
gaunt star
I played like shit when leveling up half of the melee bc why should I bother learning them when I'm not gonna play the job again until 2 years later
iron birch
He saw a Smn trying to cast sleep repeatedly on azdaja lvl 90 dungeon
iron birch
Then there was that one time where I was stuck in the lvl 71 dungeon cause the tank was single pulling and standing in every single aoe
gaunt star
If I see someone is leveling a job and they're playing bad it's probably bc they are just wanting to get the job over with
iron birch
Also not pressing cooldown
gaunt star
Unfortunately some people think tanking is hard
torpid yoke
grand cosmos tank
stood in all the bad, used all the cd's
at the same time
took an hour
gaunt star
Never forget the "GNB mains" at the start of SHB who didn't know a thing about tanking and was shite all the way up until 80
iron birch
anyway MCH rework when, tanks
torpid yoke
whats this got to do with mch
oak pike
I can see them changing wild fire into stacks
oak pike
Both 
gaunt star
Instead of trying to cram everything into wildfire just make it have stacks
winged lagoon
Make air anchor give 30 battery
iron birch
Instead of trying to cram everything into wildfire just make it have stacks
No, can't have the ranged DPS have it proceeds to make it a thing for drk, war and etc
silk cape
Hilda says: "Oi Stephanivien, know what machinists need? How about TWO guns?"
Stephanivien says: "My dearest Mongrel, while it's entirely feasible for the aetherometer to be adjusted to support a second primary weapon, it's already quite taxed by the variety of tools we've developed that are NOT guns."
Hilda says: "Any problem solved with one gun can be solved twice as fast with two guns, I say."
Stephanivien says: "That's not how any of the math works!"
Hilda says: "Aye, like that! Right there!"
torpid yoke
Drill, AA, and CS cool downs are 20 seconds different
Would lead to overcap more or misalignment
oak pike
Would lead to overcap more or misalignment
I know I just want chaos
torpid yoke
oak pike
And I want to see the machinist multi tool more
Hmm yeah 20 40 60 would line up to 2 min burst
Heat gauge be damned lol
Battery gauge yeah that’ll be over capping
inner halo
Hilda says: "Oi Stephanivien, know what machinists need? How about TWO guns?"
St...
You can add 2 more guns, with your feet 
torn igloo
well get to drawing hilda's fe- i am shot by a sniper
chilly bluff
There’s an artist on Twitter who’s big into Hilda lol
They’ve probably already got that one covered
brisk quail
He saw a Smn trying to cast sleep repeatedly on azdaja lvl 90 dungeon
Dude was coping
pleaaase bro pleaase don't make me do this
iron scaffold
He saw a Smn trying to cast sleep repeatedly on azdaja lvl 90 dungeon
this is why I have a Dummy on my housing Plot, to help relearn my rotation
tawny relic
Yeah but trying to sleep stuff goes beyond learning rotation
That's just genuinely stupid
chilly bluff
Yeah lol
pallid girder
they posted their hilda summary yesterday
winged lagoon
I mean at least it's someone different from the five million G'raha and Y'shtola artists
iron birch
Where zero too
somber storm
Where Rowena /s
reef edge
Where Gaius? (Not /s)
torpid yoke
werlyt
brisk quail
Where Rowena /s
You know that shit comes with a cost 
No one's ready to see Ronewa fucking ||you over with exorbitant prices and putting you ina permanent state of debt||
gaunt star
Sophia doesnt seem too bad
rain onyx
Knock back protection will help make the fight a lot easier, though it won’t be available for every tilt
gaunt star
is the tank swap timing to just voke as you see the animation begin?
I could probably just go solo the extreme to practice my recognition of stuff now that I think about it lol
subtle pasture
Yeah, her buster marks when the cast starts
Just remember, it’s a heavy tilt when the difference of the sides is 2 or more
She had a much simpler form/pattern of “clones echo her spells,” like compared to the first boss of the Dalriada that has fairly chaotic configurations
Ya’know, two adds will do donuts, two will do cleaves, find the non-cleaved donut
gaunt star
the way I saw is that you can have the markers setup so that odd tether = stand on odd marker and vice versa for even
where the even ones are far out and the odd ones are close
iron birch
Knock back protection will help make the fight a lot easier, though it won’t be ...
In before they make tilt ignore knockbacks /s
rain onyx
would be a nice change tbh
since back then I think only paladin had knockback prevention?
maybe casters too with the old version of surecast
I can't remember if that blocked knockback or was just "your next cast doesn't get interrupted by damage"
iron birch
TBF I wouldn't put it past them
subtle pasture
I’d hope so, it’s one of her let mechanics
Oh yeah, she also introduced the equilibrium circles
Black-white find a buddies
rain onyx
thankfully you can just do support-dps pairs for that
subtle pasture
iirc they weren’t paired like that originally?
Or maybe the community just hadn’t had support-dps pair mechanics beaten into them by then
rain onyx
My Sophia macro paired people up like that.
but yeah, I think that was our first real support-dps mechanic, at least for an extreme
wary perch
silk cape
SUMMON THE TRANSLATORS
reef edge
It says PLD gets to keep their dots
humble heron
Bnnuy
But a summary of the article above is just like "thanks for 10 years of arr, cant wait for fanfest, will show graphical update things at fanfest"
thorny flax
I wonder if they are gonna rework all the old areas
torpid yoke
whole game is getting updated graphics
silk cape
Expect nothing.
ionic flicker
But a summary of the article above is just like "thanks for 10 years of arr, can...
When is the fanfest?
humble heron
When is the fanfest?
July for NA, October for EU, i think January 2024 for JP
silk cape
https://tenor.com/view/never-see-me-coming-mandarin-iron-man-marvel-mcu-gif-2491...
Man, can we talk about how IM3 manipulated expectations perfectly though?
Promo material like the trailers capitalize on Sir Ben Kingsley's performance as the Mandarin, dudes on the publicity train talk up elements about the Mandarin being an ex-CIA operative who went native and turned against the West, using his experience as a counter-insurgent to amplify the Ten Rings' effectiveness as insurgents, how much more dangerous he is... and then you meet Trevor Slattery and it's like a fuckin' baseball bat to the FACE.
I loved it. I loved it so much. And I appreciate how they then came back and re-implemented the Mandarin in Shang-Chi ||AND BROUGHT TREVOR BACK TO BOOT||
oak pike
Expect nothing.
Expect nothing and deliver less
chilly bluff
Words to live by 
oak pike
4 years now
silk cape
I mean, the "deliver less" part is kinda extraneous, though?
chilly bluff
It was a motto of sorts from an old disbanded content creator group from Montreal lol
silk cape
That was "promise nothing and deliver less" and that's advise to creators. "Expect nothing and you'll always be surprised" is advice to CONSUMERS.
which is why mixing them up confuses
oak pike
I was just quoting super best friends
silk cape
except... were you?
iron birch
Its mostly just a texture and lighting revamp
Pixel exarch is eternal
humble heron
Ill show you the true power of the pixels
iron birch
Also TBF as long as they fix shadows it is fine
Game looks good for what it is
Shadows flickering and grass, that is
Also give hats to viera and hrothar, but that'll never happen
iron birch
Ye, I just mention it cause they talked about it
With reshaders the game looks good, minus the shadows that is an internal fuck up
torpid yoke
Also give hats to viera and hrothar, but that'll never happen
That's not graphical but it'll happen eventually
iron birch
Sure sniffs copium
gleaming rampart
I was just quoting super best friends
Sadge. Reunion never
brisk quail
I don't expect something massive out of the 'visual rework'
I do expect at the very least an upscale in texture or model quality as well as shadows/lighting being fixed
So higher power rigs can really flex like the PS5
I don't expect something like what Jagex did for what is now RS3
smoky ingot
Game lighting gets pretty bad with darker skin tones
y'shtola and varshahn looked really really bad in Troia during 6.2
gleaming rampart
Yeah I'm just hoping for some character model clean up
frigid isle
So we’re getting a
New dungeon
Trial/ex
Unreal
ARaid
And deep dungeon ??
And ultimate ofc!!!
gleaming rampart
New textures pls YoshiP. For this guy's sake
silk cape
I do expect at the very least an upscale in texture or model quality as well as ...
don't expect things
stahp
wary perch
6.35 come with tribe quest and relic
crystal arrow
TOP is 6.31, two weeks after 6.3
subtle pasture
Why is the 10th so far away 
obtuse trout
Sen is in the icky data center<:mewpaissa:448386227196919819>
Primal role color exists
gaunt star
New textures pls YoshiP. For this guy's sake
He got no eyebrows
gleaming rampart
He got no eyebrows
My man looking like raw ham stretched over a stop sign 💀
gaunt star
frigid isle
TOP is 6.31, two weeks after 6.3
Damn I bet there’s gonne be hella pf listings for P8S during that time period 👀 lol
iron birch
Blind prog true pog
worldly roost
I haven't even started Savage for this tier
torn igloo
im a level 90 alchemist i can figure out this "high concept" thing
iron birch
I'm still blind progging P8
frigid isle
sounds like its time for me to skip 5-7 and start freshprog
Wait idt you can do that?
Dont you have to beat the whole tier? Or just p8s?
frigid isle
I'm still blind progging P8 <:owocarby:588388854587719681>
Blind progging this late into the tier 😮 bless your soul
torn igloo
Wait idt you can do that?
you can, you just have to have someone who has cleared up to it start the party
iirc
frigid isle
Well
The thing is
The min ilvl to even try TOP is 630? No?
Ain’t no taxi’s giving you ivl 630 👀
frigid isle
Ik but hypothetically you can do that
frigid isle
Oh trueee
Basically any moonshine
Also you can do hunts and pay using sack of nuts apparently?
chilly bluff
Yeah they’re rather expensive but there’s no theoretical limit on how many you can get
dim sigil
Are they gonna reduce the needed abyssos blades this patch?
pulsar current
ye, from 7 to 4
dim sigil
Good cuz i only have 4
pulsar current
Do we know who is in part 2
menphina, althyl, nophica, halone, and iirc llylmean
winged lagoon
Nophica, Althyk (with guest star Nymeia), Halone, Menphina.
pulsar current
ye mb
glossy hemlock
She’s ugly as hell
ember forum
No, she cute then
Thats Menphina those two pics right
Who is on the first one though
Halone?
Also do we have any pics as to how gear from part 2 will look
pallid girder
Thats Menphina those two pics right
Yep, top is Halone
As for the alliance gear:
I know holding papers up is a tradition but why dont they just display in the powerpoint hahah
pine spire
I know holding papers up is a tradition but why dont they just display in the po...
you answered it yourself. because holding up papers is tradition
glossy hemlock
I know holding papers up is a tradition but why dont they just display in the po...
Small indie dev company
ember forum
Cant say I'm impressed with gear
But this one looks nice
Tell me its a healer set lol
pallid girder
Yeah, the new gear sets are alright
not exceptional, but not bad either
the masks are nice though
pallid girder
But this one looks nice
Masks are healing (the lala) and casting (the last image)
ember forum
I think its a bit better than part 1
Not really fan of part 1 gear especially caster
Fending had nice top piece tho
Casters are always so disappointinv
most of the time, well...
It'll be fun
Just 9 more days
crystal arrow
i like the gear tbh
its contingent on how it dyes though
ill be disappointed if some part of the blue still remains so you cant dye over it or w/e
pallid girder
mm
subtle pasture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz8G2R9K0zY
I love these type of videos,
I wanna call this song "To Love" but Nald'thal's wasn't "Twinfold"
pallid girder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz8G2R9K0zY
I love these type of videos,
0:35 onwards:
https://tenor.com/view/anya-anya-forger-anya-forger-anime-anya-violin-violin-gif-26317315
winged lagoon
The view charts do be telling
pallid girder
winged lagoon
(that's 6.1)
pallid girder
derplander sword pointy through the halone hit
"Remember, the mark of a terrible magic is a Fiddler going absolutely nuts."
that comment
subtle pasture
And you listen to our woes,
With your crystal rays that shine divine.
We will heed your song at night,
Shall we sate this soft moonlight.
Maybe though [...]
Even though we share a heart,
That your crystal words may soon become
Softly shelter her moonlight,
We embrace our tales to love.
To love.```just a quick pass over the vocals with all that gd sfx noise
anyway love song 
pallid girder
its all about love, hmm
subtle pasture
the parts 'm confident about are
[We will heed your song at night/Shall we sate this soft moonlight]
[Even though we share a heart], [Softly shelter her moonlight]
Moon song moon song
subtle pasture
```"So with all this wandering up high,
And you listen to our woes,
With your cr...
Also, could be "we embrace our tails to love"
if it is a Keeper of the Moon song
iron birch
also nice that it reprises in the balance verse "to pray, to pray, to pray twinfold" with the "to love"
subtle pasture
I figure a probable song title could be like, "Lover's Embrace"
but I think that will be her arena name
at worst, "In the Spear"
Under the Moonli-- oh wait
strange wing
I wish all my fellow Great Misfortuners a "Good luck" this year.
hoary heron
hey does anyone know where to find Zero's hate? and outfits to resemble her? Preferably for male?
Just want her hate and clothes that maybe looks like her, so i can make a cool glamour set
wary perch
iron birch
Just want her hate and clothes that maybe looks like her, so i can make a cool g...
Unique to zero
Closest thing is reaper gear, really
hoary heron
oo so no hats that look oddly close?
wary perch
Not for maiming
frigid isle
But this one looks nice
is this a "yu-fro-SEE-nee" gear set?
hoary heron
hmm i see thank u
wary perch
iron birch
New shard, let's go
gaunt star
I wanna call this song "To Love" but Nald'thal's wasn't "Twinfold"
probably “Beneath the loving moon” or something
Idk I never played ff14
weary rampart
so the newest ilvl eq from 6.3 is crafted or from raid?
toxic galleon
they're the same ilvl?
weary rampart
so I still need to get crafted eq for my other class
toxic galleon
there is no new ilvl bc there's no new savage tier
late aurora
Crafted upgrades to 620, and alliance raid gear is 620
630 gear is still BiS
chilly bluff
Patches x.0, x.2, and x.4 are ilvl bumps. Patches x.1, x.3, and x.5 are mere catchup patches that don't increase ilvl. Just add more ways to get the gear.
weary rampart
got it ,thx
wary perch
from abysos i think
primal basalt
is this a "yu-fro-SEE-nee" gear set?
ye it’s estrogen
wary perch
ruby marsh
ok so it is square ehnix or square eenix
thin lion
By the way is menphina in the 6.3 raid or in the 6.5 one?
crystal arrow
aye she's front and center
thin lion
What she’s hatsune?
pulsar current
yes
oak pike
Yep
kindred urchin
iron birch
Maybe
gaunt star
Most exciting thing about 6.3 is more glow trial weapons
Although it'll probably be Ruby
Idk how you make Ruby weapon glows look interesting
Since the weapons themselves look eh
pulsar current
give them the same effect as ruby claw
torn igloo
iirc didnt 5.3 give us tsuku, suzaku, seiryu
gaunt star
I hope it's SoS
crystal arrow
there isnt the most defined order
gaunt star
SoS weapons look nice
torn igloo
i need to finish farming out shb trials for housing/bardings now <_<
gaunt star
Emerald could probably be gold
iron birch
It is up to them tbf
iron birch
Idk how you make Ruby weapon glows look interesting
Crimson prob
gaunt star
Inb4 they throw us a curve ball and give us Endsinger glows
iron birch
Nah
gaunt star
Iirc they did Hades glows before they were done with SB glows
iron birch
It is the "we don't have a scheme for ultimate" guys
iron birch
proceeds to make ultimate in order from arr to sb
gaunt star
There is definitely an order for Ultimate idc what Yoshi says 
torn igloo
diamond weapons will just have deceivers diamonds particles on them
chilly bluff
I would prefer that they add more weapons to old trials for the jobs that don’t have them 
torn igloo
zodi...
gaunt star
Zodi weapons 
iron birch
If they make omega weapons relics for example they'll use models from somewhere else for RPR and Sage
gaunt star
Then again they did give DNC and GNB shinryu weapons out of nowhere
But that's probably for Ultimate
crystal arrow
zodi would be too close to hades imo
iron birch
That's just tea weapons/s
gaunt star
Here's hoping TOP weapons won't be a shade of yellow/orange
iron birch
Unlikely
gaunt star
UWU being the only ultimate to have a different glow
gaunt star
I'd be okie with Platinum
gaunt star
i'm betting silver or purple
You mean like what DSR should've been
crystal arrow
and they said hello world was gonna be Worse
gaunt star
I mean Hello World wasn't really bad per say
iron birch
TBF I expect blue silver like DSR Thordan glow
gaunt star
Was just a rough mechanic
iron birch
You mean like what DSR should've been <a:pensivewobble:620416696083021837>
I still think Thordan was supposed to be golden, but they changed it last second /s
And then didn't fix the weapons
gaunt star
Well there is a golden model for him
iron birch
Also Thordan should have been red tbf
gaunt star
You can see it for a second when he enrages
iron birch
Missed opportunity
gaunt star
Missed opportunity
Sounds like alot of stuff in XIV
oak pike
Im expecting like a blue white for omega
iron birch
Like this tbf
strange wing
I just wish the base omega weapons weren't so ugly aside from like two
No wait three. The Codex, Knuckles, and I guess the Tuck
subtle pasture
My favorite’s the blm stick for having turbine wings or smth
strange wing
Four good weapons
Although personally I like the Lost Allagan design better
I just realized, Allagan Deep Dungeon means new sick Allagan gear
frigid isle
What if new Ulti weapon was red 👀
subtle pasture
Ulti weapons have been… gold, blue, gold+purpley, molten metal + white gold?
frigid isle
More like
subtle pasture
Yeah, I’ll stand by hoping they use that shimmery quicksilver color O12 likes
frigid isle
Glowy Orange like the p3s arena
chilly bluff
inb4 they just slap the DNA effect on the weapons
strange wing
inb4 they just slap the DNA effect on the weapons
That would be rad
Anything would be better than DSR's weapon glows.
I honestly hope it's worse so I don't prog it. Omega Knuckles are one of my favorite Monk weapons
tawny relic
They probably will be unless they make it blue
subtle pasture
I want the shimmery silver for the base and some type of data effect for the particles
winged lagoon
What bases did TEA weapons use?
late aurora
Anima
winged lagoon
What about for SB and ShB jobs?
tawny relic
Dancer used the Shire model, and I forget what Gunbreaker used
winged lagoon
hmm, definitely not Shire
iron birch
hmm, definitely not Shire
Manatrigger of the forgiven
But ye, new jobs just get some other models
lapis prawn
hi! do you remember where can you trigger the optional conversatoin? is there somwhere a game script dump so one can see the different dialogue chocies btw? 🙂
winged lagoon
hi! do you remember where can you trigger the optional conversatoin? is there so...
In the Oracular, I think before Amh Araeng 2 (level 76)
tawny relic
Nah, dude was just coping
thin lion
With 6.3 is barbarricia still going to drop 2 ttems or will that change?
thin lion
Yeah was wondering if that's just cause most recent extreme or if it's there to stay like that
torpid yoke
They never lessesn the amount of totems ex's give
they're more likely to increase it than decrease
subtle pasture
What you’ll have is the Lynx of Imperious Winds being added to a vendor in Radz-at-Han in uhhhh… would be like 6.37? 6.47?
lapis prawn
In the Oracular, I think before Amh Araeng 2 (level 76)
thanks! 🙂
subtle pasture
2 totems started with… Emerald?
No Ruby, since they thought it’s two halves were too much for 1
frigid isle
ex 1 and 2 only drops 1 🙃
subtle pasture
Oh Hades was before Ruby, oh right.
That makes sense, Hades has like
4 health bars
smoky ingot
tbf ex1 and 2 are very short farms relatively
pine epoch
Hopefully in Eureka Orthos one of the bosses is Hyne
he deserves to show up
we already have his model too!
Hein*
smoky ingot
1 tank 1 healer 6 dps ex2 makes it ~6 min I think
smoky ingot
Floor 90 xande clone
torn igloo
floor 100 ozma 3
torpid yoke
surprised someone made a new guide
crystal arrow
Hector guides are good either way
glossy hemlock
Sephirot wipes have damaged my soul
crystal arrow
Xiv players cant count and they wont have a concept of differing size either
glossy hemlock
the balance mechanic is gonna fuck people up hawaii you know this
Okay but that’s like the only one
torpid yoke
It includes doing math
crystal arrow
Its the main thing tho
glossy hemlock
torpid yoke
and we all know ff14 community cant do math
glossy hemlock
They can do it I believe
crystal arrow
Copium
torpid yoke
ppl still mess up light house math
glossy hemlock
1 is definitely a prime number.
torpid yoke
0 is a prime numba
iron birch
Luckily Sophia isn’t as complicated as Sephirot <:ShibePray:948369870549041192>
unless they make the knockback ignore anti-knockback*
gleaming rampart
Hate the Lighthouse math cause I can do the problems I just can't do them as fast as the game demands. So I always get the first one then I barely get a glimpse of the next problem before I run out of time
humble heron
Hate the Lighthouse math cause I can do the problems I just can't do them as fas...
Ffxiv players be like
"I can memorize a 3 minute rotation no problem, but ask me to solve 2 times 2 in 10 seconds and i will immediately die"
rain crest
HOW
https://youtu.be/Ha7MnKbCZic
oh for the love of- as if EX was frustrating enough!
gleaming rampart
Ffxiv players be like
"I can memorize a 3 minute rotation no problem, but ask me...
Pretty much but at no point in my entire school curriculum was I taught prime numbers
So it doesn't come naturally to me.
timber lichen
theyre just odd numbers except for 2
humble heron
Thats fair
humble heron
theyre just odd numbers except for 2
But many odd numbers are not primes
timber lichen
yeah but the only ones i really memorize are 2 3 5 and 7 and that covers basically the whole mechanic
worldly roost
oddly enough, the part I struggled with in that lighthouse fight was figuring out what the panels do during the math portion. Once I finally got it in my head how the panels worked, the whole thing became easy.
tired kettle
yeah the cast being called "subtract" doesn't tell you a whole lot by itself
worldly roost
it's what was confusing me tbh, because the panels will always add to the hp total.
chilly bluff
I like how one of the dead robots before that boss has an actual list of the relevant prime numbers that no one takes the time to read
And ye I didn't read it either until like a year later when I heard about the dance loop he does after you clear
tired kettle
doesn't it say stuff up to 31 or something
i thought prime numbers were common knowledge
pulsar current
no lol
smoky ingot
the numbers are so small yeah
worldly roost
I guess it depends on what sort of education you received
pulsar current
bro half my friends in school couldnt read an analog clock
tawny relic
And ye I didn't read it either until like a year later when I heard about the da...
He also does it while waiting for everyone to exit the add arenas
strange beacon
what are the chances that we get 7.0 trailer during jp fanfest?
torpid yoke
what are the chances that we get 7.0 trailer during jp fanfest?
The full thing? Is that the last fanfest?
rain onyx
doesn't it say stuff up to 31 or something
only mentions up to 13 I think, which is the largest players should encounter since I think you can end up with 9 HP with the debuff
if you mean the list of primes in ridorana
torpid yoke
what are the chances that we get 7.0 trailer during jp fanfest?
100% btw
we'll get snippet probably from U.S then slightly longer trailer from EU then full thing at jp
pine epoch
there will be 7.0 cg trailers for all 3 fanfest
NA will be the shortest of the 3
EU will have a bit more footage
JP will be the full thing
chilly bluff
Vague imagery plus title drop, then some added context for what's going on, then a full trailer.
pine epoch
the first 2 trailers usually show off stuff giving you the main vibe for the expansion
the final trailer usually has a major surprise of pulling back the curtain revealing something
SB final trailer revealing Kugane and Samurai job
SHB final trailer I forget what the 3rd one added.
chilly bluff
Crystarium
wind bough
Crystarium, dancer
pine epoch
EW Final Trailer I also don't remember what it added versus the original one
chilly bluff
Also if the trailer theme has lyrics the first cut will be literal gibberish.
pine epoch
I CAN REMEMBER STORMBLOOD BUT NONE OF THE OTHERS
chilly bluff
While the last one will be the final vocal theme
wind bough
Stormblood was poggers
winged lagoon
The ffxiv youtube channel has both the teaser and final trailers
wind bough
They spent two whole Fanfests pretending it was just the Ala Mhigo expansion
winged lagoon
The EW teaser cut out all the parts with previous expansion music
Except for the Fanny and Zenos scene
chilly bluff
HW didn't do the teaser did they? Then SB was also just a teaser then a full. ShB was in three parts. EW was probably going to be in three parts as well but delays and stuff,
wind bough
HW did it too
winged lagoon
There's words
late aurora
It’s just autotuned to hell and back
winged lagoon
Maybe a computer-generated standin if they hadn't recorded the final version yet
strange beacon
The full thing? Is that the last fanfest?
i meant the teaser trailer, akin to the 6.0 trailer only having the alphinaud alisaie and fandaniel zenos segment
chilly bluff
Yeah each fan fest will probably add more. NA getting a short reveal trailer and JP getting the full cinematic.
strange beacon
i was under the impression that there were only two versions of each cgi trailer but ur telling me there's more?
wind bough
Yes
dim sigil
Dang I've only ever seen the two as they come out never hear about the others
wind bough
Just think of it like first Fanfest gives 1/3rd, second gives 2/3rds, final one gives the full thing
winged lagoon
When's first fanfest again?
winged lagoon
winged lagoon
Do they normally announce expansions during X.4 or X.5?
chilly bluff
For ShB, NA got the initial reveal https://youtu.be/WxBYy1uzSqI
EU got the extended teaser https://youtu.be/NjPVSF2dpUE
And JP got the full trailer https://youtu.be/4tyuIh12_HU
wind bough
First Fanfest is usually before X.5
chilly bluff
Shut off the embeds for those so I don't bury the chat lol
rain onyx
I wonder what the first EW trailer would've looked like if we hadn't lost the fanfests due to covid
since the first one we got was basically the 2nd one
pastel venture
yeah ok i was wondering if there rly was gonna be no fanfest in 2023
dim sigil
Really is going to be in a post 16 World by the time FanFest is a thing
pastel venture
post 16?
pastel venture
oh
chilly bluff
Content is complete and the game is in a state where they can no longer make big sweeping changes. The team can begin transitioning back to XIV since they're wrapping on the major stuff and they're on qa and optimization.
Which means more people on deck for 7.0 development
dim sigil
You forget the 16 DLC that is inevitably going to become a thing
silk cape
We'll see. Have they said anything about DLC yet?
chilly bluff
Not that I’m aware of
pallid girder
as long as it doesnt go into a book
pine epoch
Ryota suzuki is also apparently pulling double time working on projects at capcom as well
probably dragon dogma 2
floral aurora
I want Deep Dungeon in 6.3. Not 6.35:(
gusty osprey
I want Deep Dungeon in 6.3. Not 6.35:(
just get necromancer to wait lol
pastel venture
Next relic is 6.35 ye?
rain onyx
yes
sleek kestrel
havent relics always been at .X5 patches?
pulsar yacht
generally yes at least to my memory (for eureka and save the queen)
since content cycle goes to do raid content first then casual content (relic) to stem the loss of average player count
pine epoch
Looking at the quest list for 6.3
I'm assuming ishikawa story is Eureka Orthos
Unless it just isn't named on the upcoming content list
And will be revealed in patch notes
subtle pasture
Looking at the quest list for 6.3
WHERE
oh I thought prelim notes were up for a second
pine epoch
Nope no prelim
Not till the....
7th????
Hold up let me check to see how many days before patch prelims show up
subtle pasture
no more than a few days before the full notes go up at maintenance, yeah
subtle pasture
I swear I hear Song of Hope's melody over the crumbling Dalamud 
pine epoch
I mean it's the main motif of the expansion.
So cram it into anything and everything
Aglaia motifs were based on the ARR cinematic
subtle pasture
Fair, true, but I think 2nd song is Lapis Manalis' still
pine epoch
Which is why everyone went "why is odins theme in radiance?"
Cause they share the same motif
subtle pasture
'm prob also being manipulated by that track coming in as the trailer starts showing Lapis Manalis footage,
but the instrumentation reminds me more of Garlemald and Babil's themes,
iron birch
Tbf I expect lapis to have the lvl 83 dungeon music
pine epoch
You mean a remix of white and black.
Or whatever the name of garlemald theme is
White snow?
pine epoch
You know 6.3 trailer might be the most snooze trailer of the expansion to me. 6.2 was just to peak
iron birch
Uhm
pine epoch
What
subtle pasture
Yeah, 2nd track is pretty near to White Snow, Black Steel, I think
speeds up Garlemald day and night themes to 2x
I think those're nearer to the 2nd track's melody, yeah
pine epoch
Probably right
subtle pasture
and to compare 2nd and 1st track, particularly when the first picks up around the :24 mark...
hm, yeah, if 2nd track's 2nd Euphro theme they're more separate than Pilgrimage and Radiance were
but these just be snippets, ofc
it's just really got that Garlean drum to me
that kind of marching noise they give to a lot of their tracks
ya'know, just that very urgent & regular tempo'd Step, step, step, step step.
somethin' Garlemald's themes had absent to invoke how much they had crumbled, etc
I wonder what Soken'll do for Cagnazzo's theme 
pine epoch
New battle with the four fiends remix
You set yo barbs theme as [Buried Memory]
You totally are hinting at more remixes
I am kind of curious if cagna is the actual trial boss or if he dies because of rubicante plan and then the fire pillar and vrtra roaring in the trailer is the intro to rubicante as the trial boss. In a similar vein to angering edge in FF4 provoking him into fighting.
I'm expecting this bwtff to be a rock remix
The first one retained the orchestral feeling of the song
I'm just unsure what a 3rd bwtff remix would be
gaunt star
Will we also get new DoL gear in 6.3?
pulsar current
Ye
iron birch
I am kind of curious if cagna is the actual trial boss or if he dies because of ...
I still believe in the dual boss trial > rubicante absorbs cagnazzo in 2nd phase
And so we get new 4 fiends theme + rubicante exclusive theme
stuck roost
Maybe who knows
true sequoia
silk cape
?
iron birch
Then golbez trial for 6.4?
that's my idea, ye
with 6.5 left for whatever they wanna do
Zero trial, new meanace trial, zerosus, etc etc
pulsar yacht
hopefully it's easytype zeromus design because it's honestly a lot cooler than the regular one
silk cape
WEAPON ZERO
compact gorge
just finished floor 50 of Potd for eureka orthos. will my aetherpool item level carry over or do I not have to worry about grinding that?
subtle pasture
PotD and HoH have separated level pools for the weapons and armor so ET should too
compact gorge
ah ok thx
subtle pasture
It’s bc the whole system of converting 10 levels into an aethergrip, which you then buy the weapons with. ET will likely have that system as well
torpid yoke
wonder what the explaination for the weapons will be this time
crystal arrow
allagan something something
maybe noah's creations
they look like a mix of scaevan or ironworks and allagan tech to me
silk cape
subtle pasture
Trigger weapons, clearly 
torpid yoke
since the uh, big powerups transform you this time
Nah
seemingly the magicite equivalent summons a buddy to help fight with you
The dreadnaught was the rage pomander and lust pom combined into one
Doesnt change the fact they could be trigger weapons though, they do have that blue tint
makes me wonder what other new poms we're gonna get
silk cape
pom pom
WAIT WAIT
we get a pom that summons the most illustrious and wondrous of poms
was gonna pull a Good King Moggle Mog XIII but i prefer this
torpid yoke
compact gorge
maybe noah's creations
whos noah? I dont pay attention to allagan lore 💀
late aurora
the one currently possessing a fem miqote in mor dhona
chilly bluff
She was an Allagan arch mage who put herself into an orb and then possessed a Miqo’te named Koh in the modern day.
compact gorge
what questline was that a part of?
chilly bluff
Optional repeatable that you can unlock after finishing CT series
late aurora
Crystal tower lol
compact gorge
Optional repeatable that you can unlock after finishing CT series
ah that explains it
late aurora
Noah returns Koh control of her body, though she often takes the body out for nights of debauchery.
silk cape
And it appears that the repeatable quest is going to disappear as Noah is PROBABLY gonna be involved in Eureka Orthos.
silk cape
Also: the presence of Noah serves as a reference to Noah from FF3, the master who taught Doga, Unei, and Xande. The fact that Rammbroes, G'raha Tia, the Ironworks bros, and the WoL form a team within the Sons of Saint Coinach called "NOAH" is a duplicate reference to the same character.
compact gorge
I have to do a lot of other things to prepare for the patch so that's at the bottom lol
I'm fairly new so I dont even have a crafting class at lvl 90 for the loppprits
late aurora
80
chilly bluff
Level ranges for EW tribes are 80-90
late aurora
That literally defeats the point
silk cape
Yeah, getting crafters to 80 will let you use the loporrits to power through to 90 more readily.
chilly bluff
They’re a fantastic leveling resource though
compact gorge
That literally defeats the point
I like to catch up on the crafting/gathering quests in sharlayan
late aurora
Unlocks a way to level crafters, only to not level your crafters with it
compact gorge
those also start at 80 and end at 90
silk cape
Like, the reason the tribal quests are THERE is to help you power through that expansion's content. The only squirrely bit is about when Ishgard reconstruction was introduced and outmoded everything that came before it.
compact gorge
depending on how much time I have before 6.35 I might just go to 80
gaunt star
You have about 3 months
chilly bluff
2.5 I’d say
compact gorge
gotta start now bc of school and everything lol
gaunt star
6.35 will probably be March sometime so you've got a little bit of time left
compact gorge
yea going off of 6.2 and 6.25 since they were two months apart
silk cape
Oh wait, THAT's the difference between crafting leves in Sharlayan vs. the tribal quests: the tribal quests are dailies, they give you gear, and they've got a distinct story, while leveling via leves and/or the Studium quests are semi-speedrunnable.
but the key thing about dailies in FF14 is that they're quick
and the game forbids you from doing more than a few each day, so you literally CANNOT no-life them.
granite nimbus
Studium quests also have a distinct story.
silk cape
Studium quests also have a distinct story.
Fishing quests: "yeah, turns out Sharlayan knew about time travel all along"
Yes, there's a story. It is certainly a story.
somber storm
A story of all time
granite nimbus
CUL/ALC quests continue to be the best role quests.
I enjoyed smithing a whole lot this time too.
somber storm
Little fish robot
somber storm
Also still mad that Company gear is still locked to what company you are in
iron scaffold
hopefully by 7.x they'll unlock some gear sets for the graphic update
somber storm
I want to mix and match company gear
iron scaffold
they'll probably gonna redesign them since they wont be sporting GC standard
granite nimbus
They won't?
iron scaffold
it make logical sense, the gear will be available to everyone but it wont have GC logo on them
wind bough
Huh?
iron scaffold
heck it might be release with a different color palate
wind bough
There is no indication they they are going to unlock GC sets in any way 
iron birch
Ye
It is imo one of the few reasons why people pick a gc
If you want them, just apply to that GC and do the grind
frigid isle
Will the ex version of the trial release on the same day
pine epoch
Ye
The only ex trial not released same time as normal is the final boss of an expansion
Which will be the .1 patch
low nexus
will it be as epic as 5.3
ruby marsh
no, 5.3 and 4.3 and 3.3 were end of the expansions story line
6.0 was the end of the expansions story line
low nexus
sorry i mean if 6.3 trial will be as epic as 5.3 one
ruby marsh
i mean still kind of the same
low nexus
hmm
pine epoch
6.5 will be our .3 patch
pine epoch
since all the trials this expansion are MSQ
we won't know who each one is
But that doesn't mean they won't be boring
low nexus
oh they wont do extra trial story?
pine epoch
No all the trials this time are MSQ
6.2 barbariccia 6.3 ??? 6.4 ??? 6.5 ???
We haven't had msq trials since ARR patches.
low nexus
hmm i see
strange wing
oh they wont do extra trial story?
We finally get sick transitions in the MSQ
pine epoch
not counting .3 trials
low nexus
do u think its better this way
strange wing
Eeeeh depends.
pine epoch
Its probably not going to be like this all the time
this expansion has a unique story structure
6.1-6.5 is the start of a brand new story arc. But 7.x will most likely go back to the Trials being a Trial Series questline.
like triad or four lords
low nexus
i wonder what they gonna bring for 7.0
torn igloo
6.5 will be our .3 patch
;_;
pls i hope we get something a crumb as interesting as fandaniel in the post-msq scene
wheat meadow
No all the trials this time are MSQ
Wait we getting new Trials every 6.x patch left?
pine epoch
ye
wheat meadow
Niceee
wheat meadow
Yeah true I forgot we got the Weapons in 5.x
pine epoch
Ye if the devs have the time they will do bonus trials
SHB having a bonus extreme trial known as Memoria Extreme
sb having rathalos rath ex and kugane ohashi
pine epoch
ARR does not count
ARR has like 20 trials
and only 6 main trials that provide mounts
pulsar current
25 total wow
pine epoch
HW is when they started the 7 main trials
also HW didn't have a extra raid
unless your talking about diadem
pulsar current
ye, but then we get to exploratory levels
and that just derails the convo even further
carmine basin
Do we know who the tank trust is for the 6.3 dungeon?
tawny relic
Probably Vrtra again?
pine epoch
our trust npcs for the dungeon seem to be Zero, Alphinaud, Alisaie
We won't know if Zero can tank until patch since all trailers for this expac feature wol as a tank
tired kettle
maybe jullus?
tawny relic
Maybe Zero will pick up a sword and shield again
There was that little flashback cutscene of her in tank gear
tired kettle
oh i guess that's true
flint iron
There was that little flashback cutscene of her in tank gear
That look like when she was alive
Fighting 13th corrupted hero
tawny relic
She... still is?
tawny relic
She always was
She was infected in the womb, so she's been half and half all her life
Like Vauthry, but by accident
tawny relic
In fact, their problem is that they can't die
torpid yoke
Inb4 golbez is also half voidsent
pine epoch
if Zero is intended to be a genderbent Cecil. Then Golbez will be her brother.
But that is like a million dollar gamble whoever thought that up
somber storm
She is literally Blade
pine epoch
Zero is every Half Demon OC out there /s
all those RPers out there rping as voidsents or half voidsents being given... uh what word would best suit this? Vendication?
torpid yoke
I do think golbez will save her from the triple team cutscene
Or whatever that "please help me" voice line is from
wind bough
Vindication
smoky ingot
I'm gonna guess it'll be zero tank like we saw in the flashback yeah
only because I feel like they wouldn't pass up the opportunity to have both twins AND zero in the trust no matter what
maybe Alphinaud will dps if you play healer
crystal arrow
for the record
we also hear uh
cagnazzo's non-voidsent voice in the trailer
so it will be neat to see him maybe hopefully
pine epoch
Dread Pirate Cagnazzo 🤞
crystal arrow
he was absolutely a roe or hroth right
pine epoch
and Golbez under that armor is a hyur
either that or surprise twist theres no one in the armor
crystal arrow
pine epoch
and the armor is actually cursed
crystal arrow
this has been brought up before but what's the chance that golbez is/was zero's sibling
pine epoch
I brought it up already x3
cause I was joking about that million dollar gamble theory that Zero is a genderbent Cecil
crystal arrow
late aurora
(Becomes a holy memoriate)
crystal arrow
i mean honestly given the other language's versions of that one line confirming that golbez is at the least a WoL
ah shit
what if he's her father
chilly bluff
I need to get my eyes checked probably
crystal arrow
.
pine epoch
We don't know what happened to her mother and she never talked about her father.
Sooooo
crystal arrow
honestly thats my point, i guess
there's wiggle room for either
since she was intentionally very vague
chilly bluff
I put money on Roe Cagnazzo
I read this as Joe Cagnazzo and the next as Howard Rubicante. 
crystal arrow
either that or she just doesnt remember anymore
chilly bluff
pls help
pine epoch
I read this as Joe Cagnazzo and the next as Howard Rubicante. <:deeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
LOL
crystal arrow
honestly i just want lala rubicante specifically so we have a deep voiced lala in en
pulsar current
yuyuhase 2
somber storm
Golbez the void father
carmine basin
Whats the predicted ilvl needed for new alliance?
pulsar current
Whats the predicted ilvl needed for new alliance?
prolly 600?
torpid yoke
If you get full crafted you'll be fine
smoky ingot
definitely roe cagnazzo
I think rubi will just end up being a hyur unfortunately
maybe it's the bias of him being voiced by thancred that puts that image in my mind
torpid yoke
Though it should be the same as p5n
somber storm
Imagine Cag being a viera
pine epoch
You'll probably just need 600-610 gear to enter
the raid will drop 620
same ilvl as unaugmented tome armor
glossy hemlock
If Golbez is her dad somehow I will laugh cause he does the whole Vader thing
iron birch
I still retain he is an empty suit of armour of course /s
somber storm
Zodiark's crotch is in the armour
tawny relic
either that or surprise twist theres no one in the armor
The armor's hollow and Azdaja's eyes are actually in the shoulder pads
dim sigil
He is wol from the 8th calamity
frigid isle
so what should i do first when 6.3 drops
OH WAIT def msq
and also Euphrosyne is msq locked i suppose
dim sigil
A myth of the realm you might say
obtuse trout
I see what u did there and I like it
worldly roost
you should be able to do the next part of Myths of the Realm right away when 6.3 drops. The MSQ requirement (completing 6.1) is only for starting the storyline itself, which is typical for raid storylines.
somber storm
A myth of the realm you might say
I love it when WoL entered the realm and said "It's Mythin' time" and Mythed everywhere
gaunt star
how can i prepare for 6.3 in terms of gil? what should i buy with white and purple gatherer's scripts
glossy hemlock
how can i prepare for 6.3 in terms of gil? what should i buy with white and purp...
Well you can either buy Materia which will be needed for pentamelding new gear, or you can buy scrip materials like Moonlight Aethersand with purple scrips
With white scrips just go with Materia
Gil wise if you can afford to buy Tomestone materials you’ll be needing those for crafting new stuff.
gaunt star
Well you can either buy Materia which will be needed for pentamelding new gear, ...
gotcha, thanks so much
gilded wigeon
Do you plan on crafting everything?
glossy hemlock
yes
gilded wigeon
Craft a whole bunch of purple scrip collectables to get ready to turn it in for the new sand, gonna need a whole bunch of those. And mine a few hundred of the 2 star materials like raw rutilated quartz and bayberry. Tomestone mats too like shrimpingway said.
wind bough
DoL too
pallid girder
honestly i just want lala rubicante specifically so we have a deep voiced lala i...
funny how yuyuhase only had one voiced line for ARR, but they sure made it deep
gilded wigeon
Can’t wait to see what moves are magical and see how many times I’ve wasted dark missionary and dark mind
subtle pasture
Wait til you see what columns of conjured flame are actually physical
Thanks Phoenix
iron birch
As a melee, all I can say is that there is a physical attack once in a blue moon
gaunt star
do we know the exact time when 6.3 would be released after maint is done?
primal basalt
probably right when maint finishes
gaunt star
probably right when maint finishes
when is it
late aurora
The maint hasn’t been announced yet
pine epoch
Probably 5 am cst ish
On the 10th
But that's going on previous patches
Could be different this time
So wait for the actual announcement
subtle pasture
Typically 3am pacific, yeah. The maintenance announcement should go up in the next couple days
The last weekly reset of 6.2
iron birch
It also depends if maintenance ends sooner too
pliant token
Is the new island stuff coming in this patch or a later one?
iron birch
Should be 6.35
pliant token
ok ty that's what I thought
I just got confused and reddit wasn't helping
Too much patch information makes my head wibbly wobbly
crystal arrow
i mean when in doubt #lodestone-news-na
iron birch
Or check the website for that patch
gaunt star
ex5 is day of patch right, there's no like delay
gaunt star
right
gleaming rampart
Rubicante will most likely be the trial boss
gaunt star
The maint hasn’t been announced yet
ah okay ty
tawny shore
Was there any info on if theres gonna be better gear than lunar envoy? I'm half way through a full set but wanna know if theres a point to buy more pieces if say the next raid token is just gonna give better gear
late aurora
There’s no item level increase until 6.4
crystal arrow
euphrosyne gear will be the same ilvl as unaugmented envoy
and then the next ex will probably be 625
subtle pasture
625, middle ground of unaug'd and aug'd tome
winged lagoon
Relics should be 635 IIRC at the end of the new step(s)?
torpid yoke
usually lower than savage until the end of the expansion
gaunt star
I think the ilvl bumps by anywhere from like 5 to 20 depending on step
winged lagoon
Looks like 5.35 final step was 500, compared to 505 savage
timber lichen
relics don't surpass savage until the very end of the patches
warm crater
what is the tsai tou vounou upgrade?
granite nimbus
I'm guessing it's the Chili Crab equivalent of the expansion.
iron scaffold
relics don't surpass savage until the very end of the patches
kinda lame