retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[crystal arrow]

7.0

[torn igloo]

7.0 prob

[tranquil nymph]

😭😭😭

what r they even gonna do with drg?

[crystal arrow]

we dont know

[torn igloo]

jump stance

[tranquil nymph]

its already in a good spot

[pine epoch]

7.0 for drg and ast as their priority isn't as required and to big for 6.x

[tranquil nymph]

like in crystal conflict?

[torn igloo]

when you do attacks it fills up your jump gauge

[pastel venture]

you're gonna have your 3 buttons and ur gonna like it

[pine epoch]

Meanwhile paladin 6.3 getting some reworks

[torn igloo]

then you go to jump stance and all your abilities become throwing weapons and stardiver

[glossy hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kick-move-gif-14431990

[pine epoch]

I think their going to remove half the melee combo. Removing the dot and dps buff skills

[tranquil nymph]

that would be cool

[glossy hemlock]

No it would not

[torn igloo]

its basically a reaper ripoff LOL

[pine epoch]

As much as I dont want them to

[glossy hemlock]

They’re gonna have GCD jumps 🤢

[pine epoch]

Its the fate of all jobs to lose dots

[torn igloo]

honestly i like the idea of a "jump phase" which would be fairly traditional for drg

but im not a drg main so i have no horse in that race

[glossy hemlock]

It’s the only class I like playing as DPS in high end content
They’re gonna ruin it

[tranquil nymph]

so no more jump ogcds

[glossy hemlock]

My fear tbh

[tranquil nymph]

😮

[glossy hemlock]

It would feel so clunky

[pine epoch]

Jumps being ogcds is perfect to weave in between melee combat

[tranquil nymph]

unless the new animations are smooth

[glossy hemlock]

No having a GCD jump would feel awful

[tranquil nymph]

exactly

[pine epoch]

Cause fuck animation lock. Forced movement skills suck

[glossy hemlock]

I hate high jump so much for that reason

[tranquil nymph]

high jump has been sped up considerably tho

it barely affects the feel

[pine epoch]

The drg rework is happening mostly cause the job is at a dead end.

Theyve perfected the job

Meaning they cant add anything else to it

[glossy hemlock]

No it REALLY effects the feel.

[pine epoch]

Without taking a hammer and smashing the job so it can have room to grow again

[torn igloo]

i think they probably looked at drg and said "6-long combos and way too many gcds, this has gotten out of hand"

[pastel venture]

why destroy something thats perfect

[torn igloo]

but drg players love that

[pastel venture]

they literally could just have ability upgrades for 7.0

make stuff look prettier

[glossy hemlock]

Exactly

[tranquil nymph]

im hyped for the changes personally, but it depends on the direction they take

[pine epoch]

Shb and EW slightly have been my favorite version of drg.

So I'm like 100% worried for 7.0 drg

[glossy hemlock]

80 and 90 feel@so good

It’s like a perfect rotation

It’s so seamless

[tranquil nymph]

EW and ShB peak drg

[torn igloo]

ew "new jobs" have mostly been about simplified rotations so its reasonable to expect new drg would be something simpler

unless they change designers

[pastel venture]

idk, its gonna leave a rly poor taste in my mouth if they continue to make more and more jobs "easy" and "beginner friendly"

[glossy hemlock]

Level 90+ isn’t for beginners

Is the issue

[tranquil nymph]

its endgame

[glossy hemlock]

SMN was gutted and for what lol

[pastel venture]

god forbid ppl have to read their tooltips and think

[glossy hemlock]

Can’t be having that

[pine epoch]

I hate the reasoning for why drg needs a rework

[glossy hemlock]

“It’s too good” so just leave it be??? Upgrade potencies and leave it at that

[pine epoch]

Like on one hand people want something new every expansion

[glossy hemlock]

If you can’t add anything without making it feel weird just don’t add anything

[torn igloo]

they kinda realized that for most jobs

a lot of new abilities in ew are just reskins / qol improvements which i think is good

[glossy hemlock]

They could upgrade Stardiver and wheeling thrust and fang and claw and that would be good enough tbh

[tranquil nymph]

Do you guys like mirage dive

[torn igloo]

i feel like stardiver cant be upgraded

[pine epoch]

The more reasonable things I can think being changed is. Drg has 2 party buffs and 2 personal buffs.

[glossy hemlock]

No because I hate high jump

[tranquil nymph]

i feel like thats wasted button space

[torn igloo]

its kind of the peak of what a drg ability should be

[pulsar current]

hate it

[tranquil nymph]

that could be changed

[pulsar current]

then again, i dont like much of drg, but that's less facts and more "me no likey thingy"

[pastel venture]

upgrade stardiver into universe diver

[pine epoch]

So I feel potentially its party buffs and personal buffs might be consolidated. To 1 personal 1 party

[glossy hemlock]

They had it tied to high jump for like one patch but then DSR proggers cried that they touched it at the wrong time so they reverted the change

[pulsar current]

feels weird that i, someone who never plays drg, is getting served instead of people who liked it

[glossy hemlock]

Could just consolidate dragon sight as a passive just like dance partner

[tranquil nymph]

i personally liked it

[pine epoch]

Honestly that be nice shrimp

[tranquil nymph]

exactly

[glossy hemlock]

It was better when it was on the same button as high jump I agree but I still hate how clunky high jump feels

[torn igloo]

like just based on feel, stardiver should be gcd

and dragon sight is...... kinda odd tbh

[glossy hemlock]

I’m fine with it being OGCD tied with the available window

[pastel venture]

they could also just straight up remove the partner effect

[glossy hemlock]

It would suck to interrupt your flow with Stardiver as GCD

[crystal arrow]

i dont think theyd remove the partner effect

hawaii's suggestion sounds the most reasonable

[glossy hemlock]

People would lose their minds

[pine epoch]

Dragon fire dive I feel might get axed. As while its level 50 ability. Stardiver just feels like a better one.

[crystal arrow]

maybe the partner gets a boost whenever the drg is in life

[torn igloo]

then its basically identical to lance charge

[pastel venture]

the tether vfx is already gone

[glossy hemlock]

Dragon fire just feels out of place tbh

[tranquil nymph]

it needs to be buffed

[crystal arrow]

they could make dragonfire upgrade to stardiver

[glossy hemlock]

Spineshatter makes more sense especially with the 2 charges of it

[crystal arrow]

get rid of a button

[pine epoch]

Honestly dragonfire could be upgraded into stardiver. Or turn dragonfire into a new skill

[iron scaffold]

make Jump a 3 stack

[glossy hemlock]

Could have it be part of AOE rotation tbh

[crystal arrow]

i fee like uh

is it life surge?

i think that will get axed

[pine epoch]

Ye I talked about how drg has 2 personal buffs

[crystal arrow]

if they got rid of kaiten idk why that's still there tbh

[pine epoch]

Oh life surge is a skill I forgot

That one is drain hp effect

[tawny relic]

Because they forgor

[toxic galleon]

jump being a 3 stack wouldn't make any sense in the rotation imo, it's 2 per life window

[glossy hemlock]

DRG doesn’t have the crit stuff that was the issue with Kaiten

[pine epoch]

100% that skill gets removed

[crystal arrow]

it increases crit and gives a little lifesteal

honestly i think what they do is they remove that

[tawny relic]

It guarantees crit and is a ghetto Bloodbath

[crystal arrow]

and give drg a personal defensive

since every other melee has one

[glossy hemlock]

They just get bonus from combos

[crystal arrow]

the fact drg doesnt is Wild to me

[tawny relic]

Remove that and make Heaven's Thrust an auto-crit since that's what you use it on anyways

[glossy hemlock]

Elusive jump technically even though hardly anyone uses it because it’s kind of trash

[crystal arrow]

that's not really the same thing tbh

because like

[glossy hemlock]

True it’s not a shield

[pastel venture]

elusive "backflip off the stage" jump

[crystal arrow]

rdm has the jump AND magicked barrier

and rpr has regress

[pine epoch]

Elusive thrust is weird. Cause people use it as a gap closer.

[glossy hemlock]

Especially with all the tiny stages and shit nowadays

[pine epoch]

Because spineshatter the actual gap closer gets used for dps

Since it has dps attached to it

[glossy hemlock]

Cause it’s like the only safe way to use it

[tranquil nymph]

spineshatter is the gap closer

[crystal arrow]

dont use it for that though

[pastel venture]

that TOP arena

[tranquil nymph]

elusivenis supposed to be the dodge

[pine epoch]

Gap closers that do dps end up not being used for gapclosing

[glossy hemlock]

Spineshatter isn’t used to gapclose because you weave it

[tawny relic]

Spineshatter would be the gap-closer if you didn't want to use it for burst damage

[pine epoch]

So spineshatter is used as a weave attack

[pastel venture]

p sure drg wont be able to use elusive at all there

[tawny relic]

Kind of like how you want to weave your tank gap-closers into their burst phase

[glossy hemlock]

It’s a really tight area lol

[tranquil nymph]

we need a portal like reaper

thats amazing

[glossy hemlock]

If high jump allowed us to return to the original@position on choice then it would be good

Instead of the stupid let’s put you right in the boss hit box if you use it from range anyways so you can’t use it in ranged really if there’s a reason you’re away from the hit box like an AOE

[tranquil nymph]

good point

[glossy hemlock]

If it let you use it for damage and then recast it as mirage dive to return to that position it would be very big brain of them

But I doubt they’ll do something like that

[versed kite]

the only thing they really need to fix with DRG is the coding behind jumps

[glossy hemlock]

More likely they’ll remove it

And rework life of dragon completely

[versed kite]

of how for a fraction of a second, your pixel is on top of the boss, which can hard grief mechanics from unfortunate timings

[tranquil nymph]

when is 7.0 coming out?

[glossy hemlock]

Yep

[glossy hemlock]

2024

[tranquil nymph]

ok thats a long time

[pine epoch]

In other games jumps would give drg immunity to damage because of being in the air

[glossy hemlock]

Yeah it’s crazy you can’t time jumps to avoid raidwide but that’s a bigger issue of SE spaghetti coding anyways

[pine epoch]

Why cant 14 give drg dodge frames

[pastel venture]

oh people would try wild greed strats if jump made you immune

[glossy hemlock]

They’re a small indie dev company after all

[versed kite]

because iframes cannot exist in the context of 14's combat system

[pine epoch]

I know why 14 doesn't

Putting immunity to damage or iframes on drg for jumps would probably lead to being able to avoid damage that is otherwise required by the fight

[versed kite]

100%, if knockback immunity is already abused as much as it is

full immunity is lol

[pine epoch]

Pvp I believe drg jump works like classic jump

But that's cause pvp is different

[pastel venture]

I mean cant they just do like a mini hallowed ground kinda thing?

[pine epoch]

They couuuuuld.....

[dim sigil]

Gcd jumps, ogcd thrusts

[ashen kelp]

But then you'd have your jumps be required to have a 7 minute cd for absolutely no justifiably good reason

[glossy hemlock]

[ashen kelp]

And no I'm not still malding about pld being changed into being a worse warrior /s

[tawny relic]

They'll clearly become worse Gunbreaker

[ashen kelp]

With the current rotation they kind of already were

Fof maps up to no mercy

[tawny relic]

Correct

[pastel venture]

continuation but magic

[ashen kelp]

The only difference being pld made up with having worse damage than gnb with having on paper better utility... Until you get an unbalanced raid tier where the dev team clearly didn't balance it around oath guage

[pastel venture]

[tawny relic]

Oops all downtime

[ashen kelp]

It's not even the downtime that's the issue necessary it's that PLD (like monk) is chained to their auto attacks

[tawny relic]

MNK isn't nearly as dependent on autos as PLD is.

It's just gravy more than anything

[torpid yoke]

Autos for physical jobs are always gravy

Half your damage

[torpid yoke]

Probably gonna make the jumps gcd

Supposed to be on the same level as ninja

[brisk quail]

PLD NEEDS uptime more than any other tank

Heck. More than any other role or class

Since it's main DEFENSIVE cooldown is based on uptime

[crystal arrow]

this is wrong

[rare forum]

Add problems to it

Not the only one but DRG is one of the jobs since SHB could be considered ''finished''

[crystal arrow]

rpr is debatably more punished for losing uptime.

[rare forum]

Wich, for the long run, is bad

[brisk quail]

DRK needs Mp which regens over time
War has a cooldown which... cools down
Gnb has multiple short cooldowns.
And PLD needs to hit basics every 2.-ish seconds to gain their resource to use their common cooldown.

[rare forum]

Stardiver truly feels like peak DRG in terms of abilities, so next patch they're just reworking him to add actual problems to the job so they can fix later on

Don't know if i'm clear enough

[brisk quail]

If you had a phase where it was like 2 minutes of uptime followed by 2 minutes of downtime with tank busters and raidwides, PLD would be suffering

The best they could do is clemency

Which is great when the tank buster doesn't kill you immediatly or right out

Or hits you with a bleed that then kills you a tick later

[pastel venture]

btw have they said if they'll add ng+ for 6.1-6.3?

[tawny relic]

They will, it's only a question of when

[pine epoch]

Probably 6.4

[torpid yoke]

I mean if you wanna view it in a pessimistic light, sure

[granite nimbus]

Stardiver is great in terms of effects.

In practice it feels like it's doing half the damage it should be.

Double Down has twice the potency and you don't have to jump through nearly as many hoops to use it.

[rustic jackal]

just let me become estinien and bang out seven stardivers

[pastel venture]

ah, was hoping theyd add it 6.3

[tawny relic]

Yes please let me have a 1000 potency OGCD

Granted that's not unheard of

[granite nimbus]

They were going to, but the player base freaked out because of how popular current DRG is.

[tawny relic]

Since Blasting Zone is what, 720?

[granite nimbus]

Yeah.

[rare forum]

Huh?

[viscid monolith]

I am totally in favor of Stardiver becoming a GCD if it gets its damage raised

[rustic jackal]

We’d probably lose how the animation makes it feel though

[viscid monolith]

Doesn't it already get cut off anyway

[rustic jackal]

Actually mo wait

[rare forum]

The only thing i ask for Stardiver it's the lock in animation

For the rest i'm (kinda) fine with it

[pine epoch]

Drg isn't being touched until 7.0, all drg changes will be potency or slightly adjusting effrcts.

[rustic jackal]

No yeah you’re right I thought it was a gcd already, I’m real tired

[rare forum]

They said it's straight up rework

[pine epoch]

Yes 7.0 is the rework

[rustic jackal]

I’d be happy with a double downesque stardiver gcd

[glossy hemlock]

They meant before 7.0 they won’t change abilities.

[rustic jackal]

not sure how it would fuck anything else

[pine epoch]

They confirmed they are not performing their rework plans until next expac cause it's to major

[rare forum]

Mhm

mb then

[rustic jackal]

I think we’re kinda walking into 7.0 drg rework speculation

rather than any small job changes coming otherwise

[rare forum]

More RPR buffs

[pine epoch]

Small job changes will be like potency adjustments or slight alterations to buffs or something

[torpid yoke]

Drg will be fine cuz melee dps get rights

[rare forum]

Also they can't ruin DRG lmao

JP fanbase would melt them

[pine epoch]

Drg will still be a good dps 7.0 just hopefully doesn't alienate its playerbase

[rustic jackal]

I think drg players are more worried about how it’ll feel rather than damage

[glossy hemlock]

It’ll be fine but it will be hard to make it feel as good as it feels now.

[pine epoch]

Cause drg has a perfect blend of wielding its lance doing cool attacks and jumps and ki blast

[rustic jackal]

We’ll see

[viscid monolith]

DRG players felt alienated by a genuine qol change

They are a weird breed

[glossy hemlock]

That still annoys me lmao

[rare forum]

Honestly yeah, if you put it like that

[pine epoch]

They took out tether

That was a war crime

[glossy hemlock]

High Jump and Mirage dive being the same button was a good change

[rustic jackal]

Tbf tether was really funny

Because it showed how high you jumped

[glossy hemlock]

True lmao

[rare forum]

That shit messed up my muscular memory so much lol

[viscid monolith]

No I mean combining Mirage and whatever else

[rustic jackal]

Everyone on the ground and your tether going ducking beserk

Especially if it was stuck with another drg

[glossy hemlock]

And high jump.

[rustic jackal]

Mirage dive being combined was a bit of a mistake

[viscid monolith]

Guys how much are you slamming your keyboards for that to mess you up

[glossy hemlock]

Right

[viscid monolith]

Just press the button once

[rare forum]

You wouldn't have to have that 4 DRG ramuh tether video right

[rustic jackal]

I wouldnt

[rare forum]

aw

[rustic jackal]

I can imagine though

[rare forum]

I remember one big reason it got changed was cuz you couldn't mirage dive Thordan in DSR cuz of like

less than 0.5 seconds

before it went away

I just don't know why instead of coming back to separate buttons not just fix it on the same one

[glossy hemlock]

What

[rustic jackal]

issue was the roll they stuck on the skill between high jump and mirage dive

[glossy hemlock]

No they were bitching because they pressed the mirage dive button at the wrong times

[rare forum]

Huh?

[glossy hemlock]

That’s why they changed it back to being two separate buttons.

[rustic jackal]

Preeeetty sure the reason they were separated again was because HJ -> MD had a short cooldown that affected being able to double weave them fast enough?

[glossy hemlock]

Players complained because they button mashed High Jump and accidentally clicked mirage dive and clipped their GCDs because of it.

[rare forum]

No it was a fact high jump and mirage on the same button couldn't be double weaved as fast as now in separated buttons

For some reason

[rustic jackal]

It was to prevent you from double mashing it but it was actually detrimental

[winged lagoon]

You can't double weave any ability which turns into another ability, because there's always a 1 second cooldown

[rustic jackal]

Nod

[winged lagoon]

Or anything with charges

[viscid monolith]

The point is

This rework isn't going to go well

SE knows this

[rare forum]

Leading to complains on DSR from what i can re call from DRG mains not being able to hit that mirage dive before Thordan went away

Anyways

[viscid monolith]

I expect every job released in ARR to get a rework at some point

[torpid yoke]

The rework will be fine

[rustic jackal]

They should rework the animations

[viscid monolith]

The only ones left that haven't had one are WAR, SCH, BLM

[rustic jackal]

War’s 123 is actually a snore

[viscid monolith]

Every HW job has had at least 2 reworks

[dim sigil]

War aoe needs a new animation i lop my ears off with every swing

[rustic jackal]

and what the fuck is drg’s life surge and Lance charge and battle litany

they’re all so close to just being default melee skill animations for shit like stun and second wind

[rare forum]

Honestly this could be fixed with an ability upgrade

[crystal arrow]

123's desperately need to be looked at

[rare forum]

Kinda like WHM Holy 2

[viscid monolith]

Because they're old ARR/HW era skills

[crystal arrow]

i think they should just make storm's eye the butcher's block animation or something

[rare forum]

Now more core ones pws rework

You guys think WAR should feel heavier?

[viscid monolith]

Storm's Eye had a snore animation even in ARR. It astounds me it's survived this long.

[crystal arrow]

absolutely

the current ones are too fast

for a big axe they ought to feel heavier and chunkier

[rare forum]

For being big axe man animations always feel kinda fast to me

Mhm

I mean i like it

But

[crystal arrow]

i mean

compare with drk

[torn igloo]

a cool solution for cure 1/2 is:
cure 1 has a 10% chance to become free AND cure2
at a certain level, it just becomes
cure2 has a 10% change to become free

[crystal arrow]

it looks like we can barely swing it for the drk 123

[viscid monolith]

But that's what happens when people have an "If it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality to nearly every situation

[torn igloo]

oh yeah all war 123 could use some improvements

did anyone even get 123 single-target graphics buffs in endwalker other than drg adding in more to the chain?

[rare forum]

uuuum

[crystal arrow]

i literally use papachin's war mod just for the 12345

because man

[torn igloo]

sam's fuko is a great piece of design (cone becomes circle but only if you earned it)

[rare forum]

No think DRG was the only one

Actually that you mention it

[viscid monolith]

It should have become a bigger cone

[rustic jackal]

Drg only got buffs in terms of graphics because they’re skill upgrades

Not because they only upgraded the animation

pretty sure

[torn igloo]

same thing sorta

[winged lagoon]

WHM

[rustic jackal]

Not particularly, it shows they haven’t really changed animation alone yet but that’s what I hope they move to doing

[torn igloo]

oh drg did get regular upgrades. full thrust->heavens thrust and chaos thrust -> chaotic spring

[rustic jackal]

Yeah

[torn igloo]

mnk got it on one of its aoes

[viscid monolith]

They left boring ass Vorpal Thrust though

[rare forum]

Most went to AOE yeah

[rustic jackal]

just saying: arr animation overhaul. Don’t need to change skill potency or nail on an upgrade: just give us new animations

[rare forum]

SAM, WHM, SGE but this one's new

[torn igloo]

ive got no problems with ninja's tbh

mnk, drg could use upgrades to their 12 at least

[rustic jackal]

Battle litany life surge and Lance charge all have very generic motions

[torpid yoke]

Drg does have one for its 1

It's Raiden thrust

[crystal arrow]

that's not what iddy said

arr animations

base ones

[rustic jackal]

they haven’t done graphic buffs solo, these are all just new skills with new animations to match

[crystal arrow]

putting them at level 90 feels weird

like

[viscid monolith]

They need to snap one DRG's buffs out of existence

I vote Life Surge

[crystal arrow]

we need more Cool Factor

[torpid yoke]

I was replying to rikyua

[pallid girder]

the new alliance raid gear looks alright

[rustic jackal]

make the buffs look better because rn life surge and Lance charge look like shite

[pallid girder]

not exceptional but not bad either

i do like the mask, though.

[rustic jackal]

Even rikyua’s point is kinda null because we haven’t had any solo graphic buffs: these are all skill upgrades and the janky original animations are still around under 80

[crystal arrow]

yeah

feels kinda meh to gate cool factor things like animation improvements behind a high level

[rustic jackal]

Something like life surge looks as exciting as a wet paper bag

[rare forum]

Honestly don't think life surge will hold until it's rework

Guaranteed crit is already being thrown out

Or trying to

[rustic jackal]

I dont care about that

I care about STYLE

[torn igloo]

its an easy win and helps them with job design issue imo

[rustic jackal]

And the point is it looks unfashionable as hell

[crystal arrow]

look at the base full thrust animation

for example

[torn igloo]

its cool when you hit level 92 and your regular thrust becomes TAIL OF THE DRAGON or whatever

[rustic jackal]

Drg’s buffs are just the most boring animations I’ve seen done on a job

[torn igloo]

but if they just keep adding abilities it sorta moves closer and closer to a critical point where theres so many they have to start considering a rework (which is what is happening to drg)

[rustic jackal]

WAR’s 123 is exhaustingly boring

etc etc

[torpid yoke]

You mean tanks in general

[pallid girder]

so dragoon mostly has animation problems in general? Like anim-lock

[rustic jackal]

I mean the appearance of the 123, not how they feel

[viscid monolith]

Remember when tanks had 3 combo enders

[pallid girder]

and lack of any defensive skills

[rustic jackal]

ARR jobs have retained the animations they’ve had for years

That’s my problem with it, some look so lame they’re out of place

[crystal arrow]

i think drg is the first to get upgrades to base animations

[tawny relic]

Remember aggro combos

[torpid yoke]

And pld has lame 123 as well

[rare forum]

I beg change MNK normal rotation

[rustic jackal]

Lance charge does not look like an integral part of drg’s kit, it looks like melee’s other role skill

[rare forum]

They all look the same

[viscid monolith]

Hmm that might have been MCH

[torpid yoke]

And drk got cheated out of its better finisher animation

[viscid monolith]

Dude Rymi

[rustic jackal]

I think you don’t play monk enough to be fair

I think monk’s animations are fun

[crystal arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JH-ehIehY8

[viscid monolith]

I hate Soul Eater's animation so much

[rare forum]

Okay tbf just the 2-3

[crystal arrow]

like do look at what papa did to the basic animations

[rustic jackal]

I have a special place in my heart for dragonkick

[viscid monolith]

They had 3 options and chose the worst animation for DRK's one combo

[torpid yoke]

Power slash was more flavorful to drk than soul eater

[viscid monolith]

Proving that the devs has no taste or don't play tanks

Or both

[smoky ingot]

They should just replace the Path animation with Butcher’s Block

[tawny relic]

Demolish, Bootshine, and Dragon Kick all look different, but you couldn't pay me enough to tell the difference between the three punches

[torn igloo]

probably hot take but i dont like the thingy fell cleave turns into when you hit infuriate

[torpid yoke]

I think eyes animation is lamer

[torn igloo]

fell cleave is just more satisfying

[pine epoch]

I want power slash back. I wanna shoot a big blast of darkness from my hand after swinging my sword

[smoky ingot]

Isn’t Inner Chaos just Inner Beast with a big effect lmao

[torpid yoke]

Yes

[smoky ingot]

It’s not amazing

[torpid yoke]

I like it

[smoky ingot]

primal rend is the GOAT

[torn igloo]

chaotic cyclone is 10/10 tho

[smoky ingot]

Yeah I love it

[torn igloo]

hearing all the little slashes obliterate a pack of enemies is so good

i guess i tend to prefer slashy over BOOM

[viscid monolith]

Chaotic Cyclone is just Steel Cyclone though

[smoky ingot]

Honestly I think WAR animations are fine

[viscid monolith]

They just added more red effects

[smoky ingot]

It’s just the basic combo which is a little meh

[torpid yoke]

The funniest thing

[torn igloo]

on the other hand, i dont like decimate that much lol

[torpid yoke]

Butchers block is still in the game

It's just fckn little sun has it

:/

[torn igloo]

oh yeah i love seeing npcs use old job abilities

[pine epoch]

I really dont get the argument people use that you cant give tanks interesting melee combos because it be to complicated/stressful for a tank.

[torn igloo]

did arcanist actually use tohave a blue ground dot

[pine epoch]

They will say stressful, complicated, button bloat

[torpid yoke]

Shadow flare

[smoky ingot]

I mean melees basically all end up just having two combo paths that interact

[viscid monolith]

That's the excuse for everything

[smoky ingot]

at this point

[torn igloo]

ehhhh

they diverge enough

[viscid monolith]

It was made very clear to me earlier that the average MSQ player literally can't handle more than 6 buttons

[torpid yoke]

It's true

[viscid monolith]

So an aggro combo would shatter the minds of 80% of the current tank playerbase

[torpid yoke]

I still remember one grand cosmos

[torn igloo]

i mean also think of it like this: they have to make sure it works on console

[torpid yoke]

The tank was.....ohmuhgawd

[viscid monolith]

I play on console

[torpid yoke]

You can add more buttons for most jobs

[viscid monolith]

Controller has easy access to 32 buttons

[torn igloo]

ehhhh

[torpid yoke]

And still be comfy on controller

[pine epoch]

I wouldnt want a aggro combo anymore given the change to tank stance back in.... shb I think?

[torn igloo]

only 8 are "easy"

[viscid monolith]

And slightly inconvenient access to 48 buttons

You mean 16 are easy

[pine epoch]

But more interesting melee combos than. Calling out drk. 123

[torn igloo]

dpad buttons are kinda annoying

[viscid monolith]

32 is still easy but you gotta play around with the settings

[torpid yoke]

Someone doesn't know how to claw

[torn igloo]

so your options for "main rotation" are LT X^O[] and RT X^O[]

[torpid yoke]

/s

[rain onyx]

Nah that’s quitter talk

[viscid monolith]

I don't get the dpad is annoying just use your left thumb

[rain onyx]

Grip the controller like it’s monster Hunter

[pine epoch]

I play on controller and find it very easy

[torpid yoke]

I mean I can kinda get it for high movement phases

[wind bough]

And LTRT and RTLT and double taps

[rain onyx]

Or grip it like it’s Armored Core. /s

[torpid yoke]

But that you just need to claw

[pine epoch]

I do the annoying tabbing between hotbars. Rather than extended hotbar

[torpid yoke]

Same xel

[torn igloo]

cant move while doing that really

you can but its not fun

[viscid monolith]

You know now that you mention it that was a problem at first but I just don't notice it anymore

How the hell do I move during that

[wind bough]

Claw

[viscid monolith]

I'm pretty sure I just reach over with my right thumb or something

[azure dome]

i do want them to bring back the animations for some of the aggro combos /additional combos though

i've seen stuff like spinning slash, power slash, and delirium from DRK, and MAN I want them to replace syphon strike and souleater with delirium and power slash... hopefully someday

[pine epoch]

Delirium animation was reused for role action

But power slash 100% needs to be brought back

[azure dome]

oh really? what was it used for

[pine epoch]

I believe interject

Interject shares Delirium animation

The vfx on the skill is different but it's the same attack animation

[azure dome]

huh, I'll have to try that out next time I'm on

the slash-carry momentum-slash weaponskill animation?

[austere badge]

Yes you can

[torn igloo]

i still think it's funny that all the doh/dol just use pld animations

half think it's because PLD is "job id 1" lmao

[rustic jackal]

Also because it works best with all the tools to be fair

far better than war which would be two handed

[tight marlin]

I mean
How else would you hold a hammer or a saw with 1 hand

U wanna hold it over your shoulder like gnb?

[rustic jackal]

It’s mainly funny when you do vpose

Otherwise it looks quite natural

[silk cape]

PLD was the first class animations coded, prove me wrong

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-feed-tom-bird-feeding-gif-19598634

[torpid yoke]

Except dol use the reaper draw and sheathe animation

[torpid yoke]

You're wrong, it's gladiator they developed first

[torn igloo]

for special draw/sheathe yea lol

[torpid yoke]

[torn igloo]

oh wait gla is job id 1 yea

mistyped lol

job id 0 is "adventurer" which is unobtainable unless you glitch the game very specifically

[torpid yoke]

Also speaking of pld

Can we get a different stance for it pls, ty

[torn igloo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/rq7c6v/when_legacy_chars_go_wrong_level_0_adventurer/
glorious

[azure dome]

all the DoH/L tools are 1h, so no 2h animations, and other stuff has stuff like a book or scepter animation

[torpid yoke]

Can't adventurer equip any weapon iirc

[pine epoch]

Imagine the alternate universe where dol/doh used warrior animation

[grand aspen]

Release date announced yet?

[torpid yoke]

I still find it neat that they added custom animations for blm and whm one handed weapon draw and sheathe

[torn igloo]

Adventurer class gains access to every limit break of every rank for all roles
is the funniest part lmao

[wind bough]

Fell cleave with a handsaw

[pine epoch]

For what patch 6.3?

[glossy hemlock]

Jan 10

[pine epoch]

If so jan 10th

[crystal arrow]

[grand aspen]

Ty

[torpid yoke]

Unless you meant beast master, then it's 6.55

[glossy hemlock]

[torpid yoke]

Or 7.0 with female hrothgar if the alt future I saw is real

[eternal storm]

God i hope they cancel it

[torpid yoke]

7.0? Why would you want that

/s

[eternal storm]

End the game, put it 6 feet under

[glossy hemlock]

Without Gaius being part of the plot what’s the point of the game

[iron scaffold]

you want to off SE bread and Butter?

[eternal storm]

Yes

[torpid yoke]

Relax, you'll have a dilf in msq soon enough

[glossy hemlock]

Who

[torn igloo]

femhroth is def 7.0 lol

[torpid yoke]

Golbez

[glossy hemlock]

No he’s not

[eternal storm]

ew

[glossy hemlock]

His voice is not hot

[crystal arrow]

we dunno how old he is

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[analog hemlock]

What's his face look like

[glossy hemlock]

Killed everything about his appeal

[crystal arrow]

okay but here's the question

[eternal storm]

He had none to begin with

[glossy hemlock]

I mean from his ffiv look he’s fine

[crystal arrow]

romanceable dragons when

[eternal storm]

Go home

Ur drunk

[glossy hemlock]

Azdaja will be the first one because we save her

[torpid yoke]

He's old enough to be a dilf considering the void

[crystal arrow]

i like how you think hawaii

[glossy hemlock]

Saving her will unlock romance path with each dragon

[analog hemlock]

This time around I'm doing the alliance raids first before msq

[glossy hemlock]

Tbh probably same

Bored of void stuff

[torpid yoke]

Yea, we'll just revive niddhogg so you can romance him

[analog hemlock]

Same

[glossy hemlock]

Estinien would have to get possessed again then

Sorry Estinien you’re only hot when you’re a dragon

[torpid yoke]

Nah

[analog hemlock]

I like zero and all but I just don't care about void stuff really and the ff4 references are lost on me

[torn igloo]

msq > araid > deep dungeon for sure

[pine epoch]

!mount fylgja

[lusty shadow]

Fylgja (1 Seats)

Like her noble forebear Ratatoskr, Fylgja is passing fond of mankind, and traveled the world in search of mortals worthy of immortalizing in song. During the course of her journeys, she would encounter a soul who shone most brilliantly in battle. So moved was she by the hero's selfless valor, she chose to become her follower.

Obtained From

Crystalline Conflict - Series 2 - Level 25 (PvP)

Powered by https://ffxivcollect.com/

[torpid yoke]

We just go into the aitiascope and drag his soul out

[pine epoch]

Look. Twist of fate. It's the dragon whose the bard!

[analog hemlock]

And alliance raids have husbands and waifus

[glossy hemlock]

Some of them

[torpid yoke]

DD is 6.35

[torn igloo]

is it?

[glossy hemlock]

Byregot is free game

[torpid yoke]

Ye

[glossy hemlock]

[torpid yoke]

I see you like the twins

And would like to Ying yang them

[analog hemlock]

[glossy hemlock]

Alisaie is the only good twin Alphinaud can die he’s the least favourite child

[torpid yoke]

He's our diplomat

We need him

[tawny relic]

He's bad but he's not that bad

[glossy hemlock]

Aymeric can be our diplomat

[torpid yoke]

Aymeric isn't a scion

[glossy hemlock]

The scions don’t exist anymore remember

[torpid yoke]

And Lucia would never let him

[glossy hemlock]

Tataru disbanded them to avoid paying taxes

[glossy hemlock]

Lucia is busy

[tawny relic]

Yeah but Aymeric's got government duties to attend to

[glossy hemlock]

His government will be fine

We’re never gone long apparently

[tawny relic]

I doubt that

[analog hemlock]

He's gotta solve ppl being zealots and racists in ishguard

Too busy

[torn igloo]

i wouldnt mind another mini journey where he gets to be a trust

[glossy hemlock]

I mean they already have his skills for it so

[tawny relic]

Good news! He'll be a Trust for Sohr Khai next patch

[torn igloo]

oh yeah

[tawny relic]

Mention that we sparred with Halone and watch Ishgard go though another existential crisis

[frigid isle]

Being able to know if damage is magic or physical based is such a game changer i swear

[torn igloo]

where we going for the post-euphrosyne quests if they do that again

halone - ishgard obviously
menphina - not sure, random hovel in the shroud?
althyk/nymeia - i got no idea
nophica - grid

[pine epoch]

Watch it turn out that their not actually the twelve and are just random people who decided to call them selves that because they happened to fit peoples religions

[analog hemlock]

Nymeia is Limsa areas I think

[torpid yoke]

Or the twelve are just titles like the Convocation

[crystal arrow]

nymeia is nym

[tawny relic]

Nah, that's Llymlaen

[crystal arrow]

llymlaen is the patron deity of limsa

[pine epoch]

The patron deity of limsa is llymlaen

[analog hemlock]

Their symbol is on a rock right?

[pine epoch]

Literally in the middle of the city

[tawny relic]

Also the statue in Aleport

[pine epoch]

Ye they have a statue dedicated to lymlaeyn in aleport

She is a mermaid with angel wings

All 12 have shrines across eorzea

[analog hemlock]

This is what I was talking about

For nymeia

[torn igloo]

they're smack dab in the middle of mor dhona, if hydaelyn isnt involved ill be surprised

[crystal arrow]

well nym was in that general area

[pine epoch]

Ya Nym used to live in La Noscea and Nymeia was their God if I remember

[wind bough]

The Nymians’ patron was Oschon.

[analog hemlock]

Yeah Limsa areas

[pine epoch]

Oh was it oschon

[wind bough]

Hence the Wanderer’s Palace.

[pine epoch]

Oh right wanderers palace

Oschon symbol is right outside

[wind bough]

The only notable Nymeia-worshiping civilisation we know of is Ala Mhigo for a brief period under King Theodoric

[pine epoch]

When he tried to outlaw rhalgr

[analog hemlock]

U would think a goddess of fate would have a church in game or something

[torn igloo]

there should be a bunch of twelve stones in ARR zones right

since iirc wasnt there 1 for each god in 1.0

[pine epoch]

There still is

You go to each of the twelve to pray to them for marriage quest

[wind bough]

Yes there are stones for each of the Twelve scattered across ARR

[torn igloo]

oh lol

[wind bough]

Some moved from their 1.0 locations but they’re all present

[crystal arrow]

do you have a list somewhere lyon or know where i could look

[pine epoch]

Get married /s

[wind bough]

Legacy characters start the game by popping into existence at the stone of Althyk in the Shroud, since he’s the god of time whose power Louisoix invoked to send the players 5 years into the future.

[pine epoch]

Imagine if althyk has unique dialogue if your a 1.0 player

[wind bough]

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Marks_of_The_Twelve

Well it was the power of the primal Althyk which Louisoix summoned

[granite nimbus]

I'm pretty sure Nym worshiped Oschon.

[wind bough]

They did

[granite nimbus]

Hence "The Wanderer's Palace."

[wind bough]

Covered it

[granite nimbus]

Ah.

[iron scaffold]

Any new Twelve related swear words that have been thought up recently ?

[pine epoch]

Weaver whore

Credit to Gaius in 1.0

[gaunt star]

More reasons why Gaius is the best

[pine epoch]

Tell me, do you think it fate that brings you here? Some threads woven by your Weaver whore? Or was it no more than the meddling of Master Garlond? Hmph, it matters not.

[iron scaffold]

damn Gaius...

[silk cape]

gives me the sense that Gaius' face turn in late SB patches was a really last-minute decision

[pulsar current]

shrimp time traveled to make him hot

[iron scaffold]

Menphina's B%&#
Nophica Well
Keeper's Cleave
Fury chills/Frost

[glossy hemlock]

He’s so sexy

[ivory wolf]

[glossy hemlock]

I also think that tbh he probably wasn’t the character intended for the SB post patches and they just decided to make it him because they didn’t know what else to do with the character

[pine epoch]

When something bad happens to you just call Nymeia a whore

Weaver Whore

[reef yacht]

be nice to nymeia

[tight marlin]

Nymeia: the fuck did I do

[pine epoch]

To this day we dont know who resurrected Gaius

And it might of been the community that did it

[tight marlin]

So gaius is a primal

[pine epoch]

Because of our collective memeing of Gaius lives

HW with the Griffin "that's Gaius."

[turbid aspen]

didnt they have it planned out all along with him missing from potd

[pine epoch]

Any time a mysterious npc appeared just the community collectively went "that's Gaius."

[pine epoch]

No

[turbid aspen]

[pine epoch]

Also Gaius lives was a theory since preatorium

[tight marlin]

"Theres no body"

"Therefore still alive"

[wind bough]

By the time PotD came out there was probably a plan.

Gaius’ survival seemed honestly likely

Still wish the explanation was that Nero rescued him and just never told us because we never asked

[chilly bluff]

He was the only presumed dead character to not appear in Palace, no?

[pine epoch]

A lot of Gaius and Garlemalds fate probably went through several rewrites. Like originally varis would of been a trial they even developed his trial to some length but last minute cut him and and had zenos kill him msq. And then brought him back as a trial for save the queen

In one idea yoshida talked about how Gaius was envisioned to be our estinien for a garlemald themed expansion

A former enemy turned friend.

Who'd guide us through their land

[tight marlin]

I feel like it's the struggle between
Writing garlemald to be classic fight the empire or subterfuge or infighting yada yada

And garlemald was written to be defeated through its own internal issues

Rather than us charging with an army and slapping everyone

which funny enough the benchmark trailer was basically scions and nation leaders bring the armies to garlemald and fight demons

[frigid isle]

So uhh

Who’s excited to farm the next ex trial for the mount? 😭😭

I only have

1/4 rn

Sadge

[torpid yoke]

Depends

[ivory wolf]

I have no cats and no desire to acquire more. Maybe later.

[torpid yoke]

Will ppl struggle with it like barb

[ivory wolf]

Oh almost certainly.

[torpid yoke]

Cuz ppl keep murdering me in barb ex

Which is impressive since I usually go phys range

[pine epoch]

Can I just say how much I like calamity unbound is the boss theme of Eureka Orphos

While I'd of liked Tumbling down

Calamity Unbound goes along with the fact there is a mini dalamud somewhere in there

[torpid yoke]

Whatever is inside that mini dalamud will be the floor 30 boss

[pine epoch]

Shame floor 100 won't have a boss. Mostly cause the reward is reaching that floor.

Given its following Heaven on High format

I wonder if it will be clear floor 100 4 times for a mount

[glossy hemlock]

I’m probably gonna buy Zodiark Lynx with totems tbh

[pine epoch]

We know there is a green ADS unit mount

[late aurora]

“It was me, Ehl tou all along”

[glossy hemlock]

I already got Wind Lynx

[glossy hemlock]

My chiold

[torpid yoke]

Does hoh give a mount for beating it 4 times?

I thought it was accessories

[late aurora]

Juedi

It a horse

[ebon orbit]

Isn't it a dodo from the hoards in HoH?

[crystal arrow]

you get a quest to get juedi if you clear hoh 4 times and equip all the accessories

iirc

[torpid yoke]

Totally forgot that's a thing

[ebon orbit]

oh yeah, that black horse with the red bits

[pulsar current]

love Juedi

[glossy hemlock]

Show image?

[pulsar current]

funny.... theres tons of unique mounts, but the black horse is my fave

[glossy hemlock]

I like night Pegasus from POTD too

[late aurora]

!mount juedi

[lusty shadow]

Juedi (1 Seats)

Its ancient Doman name loosely translating to “ludicrously swift steed that runs so fast its feet no longer touch the ground,” Juedi is yet another horse of legend, showered with geomantic magicks to grant the creature the gift of flight.

Obtained From

Dressed for Heaven (Achievement)

Powered by https://ffxivcollect.com/

[glossy hemlock]

Ooooh pretty

I’m gonna go get it

[pulsar current]

what else do we have to do

me and my night crew got it

[glossy hemlock]

Exactly lmao

[pulsar current]

miss that squad

[glossy hemlock]

Aww

[late aurora]

I remember someone was asking around about mounts because they wanted a normal horse

[ivory wolf]

Hors

[glossy hemlock]

honse

[pulsar current]

i'mma call them up for the new deep dungeon

[late aurora]

Like just a normal horse, nothing weird going on with it whatsoever

[pulsar current]

see if they want round 2

[glossy hemlock]

I mean you can ride one in the Namazu quests lol

[late aurora]

Yeah that got mentioned but it’s only temporary

[glossy hemlock]

Hmmm I mean I guess the other most normal is the mogstation one the Red Hare

[ebon orbit]

I wonder if we'll get another horse in EO

[glossy hemlock]

Another red and black horse lmao

Maybe a unicorn this time

[torpid yoke]

Allag doesn't seem very horseish

[glossy hemlock]

Robot horse

[ebon orbit]

😛

[glossy hemlock]

ROBOT UNICORN

[ebon orbit]

Black Pegasus is a bit more pinkish tho

[glossy hemlock]

It’s pretty red imo

[pine epoch]

So ya, Juedi is why if the rewards and stuff of HOH is the basis for Eureka Orphos

is why Eureka is probably also going to have a beat 4 times for mount reward

[pulsar current]

ye, way better than potd's 200

[late aurora]

I’m just excited for another mandragora to add to the herd

[crystal arrow]

not sure how i feel about the orthos weapons though

[torpid yoke]

Can never have enough

[crystal arrow]

doesnt look like they have a glow?

[pulsar current]

shit i missed those

[ebon orbit]

Did they show them?

[torpid yoke]

The staff looked transparent at points

[pulsar current]

did we get them yet?

[torpid yoke]

No

[crystal arrow]

the shots showing orthos in the trailer, the players had like... allagan-esque weps

[pulsar current]

neato

[crystal arrow]

sam and ast https://i.imgur.com/VLF2cZq.png

[ebon orbit]

Ooh, missed that, gonna look again

[crystal arrow]

pld https://i.imgur.com/vV5HaDb.png

[pulsar current]

i'll wait and see how they look in game

if i can see the weapon through the vfx its not good

[rain onyx]

They might go the route of Kinna to transform into a different model at x Aetherpool

[crystal arrow]

we'll see

but like

even base models for potd and hoh glowed

[ebon orbit]

The more options the better

[crystal arrow]

hopefully these do too though

[torpid yoke]

Funny thing

[crystal arrow]

ngl though im not a fan of high tech weps bc it's hard to fit them into glam at all

[wind bough]

HoH didn’t have a model change

[torpid yoke]

This Is the second allagan weapon model for Deep dungeon

HoH being the first (fir most jobs)

Iirc hoh used high allagan models

[winged lagoon]

Ouroboros star globe, nice

[brisk quail]

Most Powerful VFX user vs Weakest Base Weapon Model Enjoyer

[pine epoch]

seems like their not doing glowing weapons for Orthos

And more Allagan themed weapons

Perhaps there will be a VFX version

[torpid yoke]

Maybe this time gld sword won't look poop

[pulsar current]

!myglam PLD

Ah.

I’ve learned something new today

[elfin latch]

I dressed my PLD as a miner. While keeping my actual miner glam the same as PLD so I can troll people pretending that I join dungeons with a DoL Job 🤣

[torpid yoke]

Did it ever fool anyone

[elfin latch]

That's the weapon I used, and yes I got some ppl 🤣

This weapon definitely increases the chances of making people believe it does work so yeah. Gotta love joke weapons like that.

[analog hemlock]

I didn't even know that weapon was a thing wait

What's it called

[elfin latch]

Dwarven Mythrill Pikenstock

[analog hemlock]

That's so cool I love it

[elfin latch]

Guess you could get in kholusia with the dwarves NPCs 🙂

The other weapons are interesting as well if you're into unusual looks for a weapon

[analog hemlock]

I love joke weapons like that

[elfin latch]

Same!

WAR one was my favourite

[analog hemlock]

Which is why I'm super excited for the joke weapons that won the contest

[elfin latch]

It's a hammer instead of an Axe

[elfin latch]

Was there a contest going on?

Haven't been up with the community so I wouldn't know

[late aurora]

The weapon design contests happened a while ago

And the reaper Sage stuff just got done announcing winners

[elfin latch]

Is it posted somewhere in the server? Would like to have a look

Congrats for the winners, if they're around 👋

[late aurora]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/34331314b6be44003de2c7853fa0bdd6bafcbe91

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/f8b9eacc501037459243a0d862efe7860ff65dc4

[analog hemlock]

2 winners for each class that will be put in game

[elfin latch]

That's really neat, Really cool designs

[late aurora]

Each weapon has a serious design and a funny one

[elfin latch]

I actually love this one 🤣
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/34331314b6be44003de2c7853fa0bdd6bafcbe91_14.jpg?1670921999

I would put the FF Select icon minion as well to pair with it. Sounds fun

[brisk quail]

https://tenor.com/view/polnareff-polnareff-star-finger-polnareff-vs-jotaro-jotaro-stardust-gif-22825896

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kamenrider-sins-gif-6190162

[frigid isle]

how did yall feel about the new Euphrosyne soundtrack in the patch trailer

its giving DISNEY soundtrack again and im kinda living

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-hearts-kh-kingdom-hearts3-kh3-kingdom-hearts-three-gif-23175353

[pine epoch]

Moooooon

So far from the lyrics and trailer framing, it looks like Menphina time to shine. which was a given because it was nald'thal last time

Rip to the people hoping for the 3 city state gods to be the bosses

[iron scaffold]

wait...

[frigid isle]

we love a disney soundtrack

[iron scaffold]

old disney or current disney?

[frigid isle]

both?

ayo disney frozen in my FFXIV game?

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-shiva-gif-12295500

[primal basalt]

frozen didn’t invent ice

[elfin latch]

I recall finding it a Dark knight weapon that shapes exactly like a keyblade not too long ago.

Might try a terra cosplay once I get back in the game.

[late aurora]

And if anything was frozen it’d be Eden shiva

[iron scaffold]

yea, one of the better looking crafted weapons

[subtle pasture]

remember how Larxene made a giant ass ice castle to pad out prevent Sora from rescuing Elsa

[glossy hemlock]

No wtf

Larxene is the electric user right??????

[subtle pasture]

iirc she's practically the Org's strongest mage and just favors lightning magic

but yeah, she whips up that entire ice dungeon in the Frozen world in KH3

https://youtu.be/6FUn5nOyHhE?t=1100

crumbled ice walls
pans away
pans back into complex ice dungeon

[elfin latch]

Did ||Vexen|| ever showed up in this game btw?, I can't remember for some reason, Not even in the limitcut DLC.

[subtle pasture]

||He did, he had that B Plot with Demyx and Zexion to betray Xehanort||

||Well, as Even and Ienzo, rather.||

[elfin latch]

Ah gotcha, I remember that much though they probably had very brief cutscenes such as ||Ienzo ||with the other buff dude which made me forget a bit.

Yeah that.

[subtle pasture]

||I mostly remember Ienzo in the Radiant Gardens lab, they stole replicas from Xehanort to make bodies for... Roxas and Namine?||

[worldly roost]

I think it's neat how this arena resembles Ishgardian architecture. This could perhaps be taken as sign of both how devoted the Ishgardians are to Halone, and perhaps that Halone really cares for the people of Ishgard

[torpid yoke]

You mean the worst world in kingdom hearts 3?

[subtle pasture]

What, you didn't like climbing up the mountain 3 times because the plot was just to yeet Sora off and let Frozen happen off screen?

[torpid yoke]

Literally just go watch frozen

[subtle pasture]

It had Larxene and the coolest Heartless design of 3, almost balances it out

[elfin latch]

Putting that way sounds horrible 🤣
Had a blast with the game every second of it

[torpid yoke]

and you got the plot of the frozen world in kh3

[subtle pasture]

"hey there's els--" Larxene yeets us off

"hey we're back with an--" snowman yeets us off

what matters is Hans actually fucking dies in the KH3 version,

[elfin latch]

When I realized I could turn off the attraction flows and all the easy mode jazz.

Combat got really fun.

[subtle pasture]

speaking of Skoll, though,

MOON WOLVES MOON WOLVES

if I had a dollar for every time SE made a game with an ice palace that ends with a moon wolf boss,

I think that's 3 dollars.

Snowcloak, KH3's Arendelle, and Euphrosyne

what's a nice detail is that per the myth, Halone carved the palace of frozen moonlight with her spears, so the littered battefield on the ramparts is

[torpid yoke]

i like her field

field full of weapons in the ground is always my fav aesthetic

[tight marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-blade-works-np-noble-phantasm-ubw-illyasviel-gif-21769007

[tight marlin]

So this?

[torpid yoke]

yes

Points to byleths smash victory pose of all the weapons in the ground behind them

[tight marlin]

Fuck that reminds me you're right they did just off him.

Kh sometimes is just more brutal

Woody: mf you ain't got no frens

Young Xehenort:

[subtle pasture]

like it made sense for Gothel bc she legit dies in the end of Tangled

[tight marlin]

Well
If u count poofing as ded
.....she did poof right?

[subtle pasture]

well she aged to actual dust, iirc

[granite nimbus]

Yeah.

[tight marlin]

So she definitely didn't feel so good

[granite nimbus]

She screams, wraps herself in her cloak to hide herself, trips and falls out the window.

[tight marlin]

Classic Disney death

[granite nimbus]

But there's nothing left of her but the cloak when it hits the ground.

[tight marlin]

Convenient death drops

[subtle pasture]

aging to dust before she hits the ground is fairly intense

but yeah disney style

[tight marlin]

It's funny how kh takes these negative spiteful beings of hatred and is just like

Ah ye right the Disney death

Nah they just become an actual fucking demon

I remember Scar straight up dies to Simba like normal and then returns as himself but powered up heartless-style out of pure hate

[torpid yoke]

which is sadder because dark road

[iron birch]

Oh, no, this is so sad

Good thing nobody played the mobile games anyway /s

[torpid yoke]

the mobile games were fun to a point

[iron birch]

Probably

But also they put the plot in a mobile game and gachas, so if they can't be bothered to make good games neither can I to play them

[torpid yoke]

They were pretty generous gacha's

and it being a mobile game its easy to just leave and come back later

[iron birch]

Also union X was pretty terrible iirc

As far as gacha systems go

[torpid yoke]

nah

[iron birch]

Ya

Anyway dark road bombed so much they turned it to an offline version, so they're learning but not really, cause missing link ree

Same with first soldier

[torpid yoke]

The kingdom hearts mobile games and first soldier dying are two different beasts

[iron birch]

They both died cause they lost popularity

One faster than the other

For different reasons too

[torpid yoke]

I dont think dark road really bombed

[elfin latch]

Haven't even checked it, Couldn't really carry on with KHUx back then.

[torpid yoke]

They just messed up by having it linked to Union cross

[elfin latch]

And I went all the way up to quest 600 or something

[iron birch]

It got launched as an extension to union X, and did it so poorly and then delayed the tail end part of it for 2 years or so

[elfin latch]

Having super bad RNG's for pulls and such.

[torpid yoke]

where they gave out so much jewels

[iron birch]

Also union X increased currency by the end cause it was slowly dying out

[torpid yoke]

so you never really had to spend much on dark road

[iron birch]

(and in fact died for good 1 year after)

This is also not accounting for the terrible drop feed story whise and other shit

[torpid yoke]

Thats mobile games in general

Honestly its surprising how many years they got out of that game

[iron birch]

The fact it is the standard, it doesn't mean it is good

That's all

[elfin latch]

Wish Unchained looked more like the new mobile game they're making, but at this point i'm not sure if i'm really interested on the sequels after the third installment.

[iron birch]

In America it is normal to not pay your waiters and let tips fill the gap for example /s

[elfin latch]

So I kind of been sleeping on KH for a bit.

[iron birch]

Anyway

It is also why I hope ever crisis for ff7 bombs

So they make an offline version there too

[torpid yoke]

They wouldn't make an offline version

[iron birch]

Or make a proper game at least

[torpid yoke]

they would just kill it

[iron birch]

Nah, they did with Dark Road

[torpid yoke]

Thats nomura though

and kingdom hearts

[iron birch]

Probably cause they had parts of it already developed and wanted to recoup costs

[torpid yoke]

and also it probably took dark road so long because of covid

[iron birch]

But ye, if it just dies, it's also fine by me

[elfin latch]

The only square enix mobile game i'm super hoping for a desktop release of sorts would be NieR: Reincarnation. But that won't be happening anytime soon probably.

[iron birch]

All gachas should die, but that's another matter

[torpid yoke]

I mean

[elfin latch]

Won't die as long people are paying for it.

[torpid yoke]

its fine for gachas to exist

[elfin latch]

Not really fond of the genre either.

[iron birch]

Not really

[torpid yoke]

At that point we should get rid of any luck based things in the world

no casinos, no powerball, no nuthin

[iron birch]

Gacha systema don't add any good thing to a game structure. In fact, they're kinda made to be a detriment to the whole experience

[torpid yoke]

When its done well its fine

[iron birch]

Even when it's done well it is still a detriment tough

[torpid yoke]

why do you think so many people play dffoo and fire emblem heroes

[iron birch]

Given the massive amount of farming for resources

[iron birch]

Cause it is free and it is 2 recognizable big brands

[torpid yoke]

And they're generous with their currency and not as predatory

[iron birch]

Ehhh

In exchange for making you farm stuff mindless for hours, yes

[torpid yoke]

which you can do in the background

[iron birch]

Anyway to close this convo since it is off topic, I think gachas, even good ones like arknights, are a problem or just straight up not fun cause the gacha systems don't add anything of value to the experience. Most of the times you're not enjoying the gacha part of the game, you're enjoying the game in spite of the gacha system it has, might those be pulling, farming, and setting the game to run on autos for hours

[frigid isle]

have they shown as the rewards for series 3 pvp

[flint iron]

only 2 glam

[frigid isle]

is it the armor they showed off

[flint iron]

the armor and the summer one

[dire aspen]

i thought summer one isn't pvp reward🤔

[flint iron]

but show it in when they talk about new pvp season reward

so the beach glam could be for rank 15 and the armor for rank 25

if this continue then i guess we will always have 1 season with glam, 1 with mount and minion

[elfin latch]

About the previous season rewards, I'm guessing I will not able to reclaim or does they allow to reclaim it? Unfortunately I missed one of the emotes I wanted since I started playing this game which is called /determined

Punch your own palm with readiness.

[flint iron]

you have to reach the milestone though

basically if you reach rank 25 but forget to claim you can still get it

but if you don't then it gone

reduce to atom

[rain onyx]

as far as we know, no way to get old season stuff