retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[viscid monolith]

Tetris

[untold gull]

Come on mate, you're not stupid. You know what i mean. Ffxiv playerbase is extra horny compared to some games

[subtle pasture]

Thaliak, no?

[iron birch]

No, wait

[subtle pasture]

Which one is Astral Water

[pine epoch]

Thaliak is after Menphina, And Nymeia after Thaliak

[crystal arrow]

nah crow is right every playerbase is horny

please see: sylvanas apologists

[empty walrus]

Thaliak then Nymeia

[rustic jackal]

if you think hard enough

[pine epoch]

halone is astral

menphina is umbral

[teal salmon]

Nymeia made the melted stars that come out of Thaliak’s Ewer

[silk cape]

Gamers just wanna bone down

[iron birch]

But we'll knock Nymeia out first in this tier

[pine epoch]

thaliak astral Nymeia umbral

[crystal arrow]

"i can excuse sylvanas committing genocide bc she's hot"

[empty walrus]

Naw Nophica is first

[elfin latch]

Kinda wished Halone would be the final boss of the raid, They seem to be following the orders highlighted by the twelve logos and such.

[iron birch]

Emet and Zenos fan in a nutshell

[elfin latch]

Would be really cool to hear another take on heavensward's main theme.

[iron birch]

According to the order Menphina is last this tier, ye

It is what it is

[elfin latch]

New song seems cool though, Thought the previous one was overhyped when playing for the first time.

[crystal arrow]

the difference is sylvanas isnt nearly as morally gray as emet is

[subtle pasture]

The discernible lyrics of the song with vocals include “moonlight” and “love,”

[pine epoch]

The boss order starting from aglaia

Byregot Astral, Rhalgr Umbral, Azeyma Astral, Nald'thal Umbral

part 2

Nophica astral, Althyk Umbral and Nyemia Umbral, Halone Astral, Menphina Umbral

[iron birch]

Then thaliak, the other one, Oschon

And the final true boss

[subtle pasture]

Llymlaen

[iron birch]

Yoshi P

[empty walrus]

Llymlaen

[silk cape]

So Nophica, Nymeia with Althyk, Halone, and Menphina with the goodest boi

[pine epoch]

part 3 will have

Thaliak astral, Llymlaen Astral, Oschon Umbral

and ????

[crystal arrow]

sargeras

[silk cape]

YIAZMAT

[crystal arrow]

[winged lagoon]

Hydaelyn 2.0 astral

[empty walrus]

The Whorl

[elfin latch]

https://tenor.com/view/nier-automata-2b-ceo-chad-gif-18251585

[crystal arrow]

we need our sargeras-like

[elfin latch]

He gotta do it sometime.

[crystal arrow]

obligatory

[empty walrus]

The Whorl is what spat out some of the Twelve. Think of it as like, chaos.

[lethal silo]

I wonder if they don't flip the script and go in reverse order for the last tier since Thaliak is by himself now

[pine epoch]

the twelve except for a handful

For example Oschon is just... some random person

[teal salmon]

Leviathan is the Lord of the Whorl though

[winged lagoon]

LEVIATHAN LEVIATHAN (send us)

[iron birch]

Oschon seems to be connected to Deryk/his opo opo

[pine epoch]

Who just showed up

[subtle pasture]

Fields of Abundance > arboreal platforms > The Bole > ice sculptures > War’s Apex > Cathedral of Love

Still my guess for the landmarks of the raid

[torpid yoke]

inb4 we fight of of the twelve twice in part 3

[iron birch]

Actually

Does this mean we'll skip Nymeia palce

Place*

[winged lagoon]

Maybe

[lethal silo]

Especially is boss 12 is tied to the whorl somehow it would make more sense to have it be in the water park

[subtle pasture]

Within the Heaven of Water, potentially

[winged lagoon]

Could be a trash pack there

[iron birch]

In before the last boss is Chaos

[subtle pasture]

Idk if the The Bole will be named for Althyk or her or nah

Could be the Throne of Time

[crystal arrow]

either the final boss is sargeras

or zovaal

[pine epoch]

Nymeia and Althyk are sharing a boss fight.

[silk cape]

I'm recalling the High Seraph fight pulling in all of the Lucavi

[pine epoch]

So either 6.5 heaven of water gets only 1 boss

or no heaven of water at all

[winged lagoon]

Between the iron gates of fate,
The seeds of time were sown,
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known;

[subtle pasture]

This is based on arenas like the Monument to Destruction and Circle of Inquiry

[elfin latch]

Does the patch X.x5 comes after a month after the main patch or does it also have a 4 month gap between them? I have been away when they made this change

[untold gull]

What if, going with the theory that the twelve are venat's people, the final boss is the dude from the short story that talked about venat

[subtle pasture]

I forget the name of Byregot’s arena, Nald’thal is the Twin Halls

[iron birch]

1-2 months

[elfin latch]

I see, thanks!

[lethal silo]

Closer to ~2 months. It's the halfway patch

[iron birch]

And then a longer wait until new expac

[winged lagoon]

Ingenuity's Foothold

IIRC

[subtle pasture]

Ah yeah, that sounds right.

[torpid yoke]

that could happen too

We beat the rest of the twelve then fight whatever is behind the last gate

[subtle pasture]

The one name I’m most confident and would bet money is Nophica in “the Fields of Abundance”

[winged lagoon]

That guy is the guy who The Watcher is based on

[iron birch]

Pretty sure we see the name while passing through

But also Japanese

[subtle pasture]

Oh true, on the preview

[winged lagoon]

We should've seen the name in Japanese in YoshiP's walkthrough

[torpid yoke]

It'd make more sense for menphina to be the one the watcher is based on

[lethal silo]

I am almost convinced the clues to Ancients are a double bluff at this point and they predate the Ancients.

[subtle pasture]

War’s Apex and Cathedral of Love are wild guesses

Lover’s Embrace, perhaps

[empty walrus]

All we know is Nophica is very first fight as the first arena Yoshi-P goes to has those villages in distance, in trailer see Nophica with those same houses in the distance

[iron birch]

Something with battlefield

Given all the spears

[subtle pasture]

War’s Ramparts

Since it’s the top of the palace

[torpid yoke]

Yoshida really did not want her shown

[iron birch]

Her harvest is plentiful, and so is her bosom

[elfin latch]

🤣

[untold gull]

Oh shit, i forgot that dude's the watcher

[subtle pasture]

But yeah that their arenas will be “of Abundance/War/Love” or active voice, and idk for Althyk and Nymeia since it’s a duo thing

But Throne of Time if it aligns with the others

[winged lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-huge-gif-21517341

[winged lagoon]

Eternity's End

[iron birch]

@subtle pasture https://twitter.com/byletri/status/1606297224635289600?t=nBOLQax3nYfi8oCG-ux51A&s=19

🎁🎄Persephius™ making the yuletide gay 🏳️‍🌈 (@byletri)

As promised! Here are the translations of the Euphrosyne bit in the live letter of G'raha and gods' dialog!

#FFXIV

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[subtle pasture]

But what’s Nophica’s arena

“earth and sky” is “Heaven of Earth”

[untold gull]

Yes. Huge.... Tracts of land alright

[subtle pasture]

Or did he start the preview already standing after her arena

[untold gull]

Strated it after unfortunately

[subtle pasture]

Like I figure he killed her with Dev commands, of course

Damn, was hoping to catch her arena name

[untold gull]

[crystal arrow]

something harvest

probably

[pine epoch]

He runs through her arena

[elfin latch]

I would guess it is probably a callback into something that already exists in the game.

[iron birch]

Death harvest

[pine epoch]

while she is already dead

[subtle pasture]

As said, the other arenas except Nald’thal’s refer to their specific aspect

[iron birch]

Of course

[pine epoch]

and you see 3 chest

[subtle pasture]

Ingenuity, Destruction, and Inquiry

[elfin latch]

The theme for example already has some motifs of already existing tracks.

[subtle pasture]

So Nophica’s is likely “Something of Abundance,”

Because she’s specifically the Goddess of Abundance

[pine epoch]

also english arena and japanese arena names are different

their localized differently

[subtle pasture]

I assume that’s not meant to be read as “earth sky,”

But I see how those kanji can be read “Earth Heaven”

[crystal arrow]

could be abundance or harvest

either or

they may adjust what she's about

[dim sigil]

Bosom

[crystal arrow]

if that makes sense

[subtle pasture]

Tbf, Azeyma is specifically Goddess of Inquiry

And Byregot… is he Ingenuity or the Arts or such

[elfin latch]

There is already something called Stone, Sky, Sea if i'm not mistaken so they might go with a different name probably not to cause some confusion between content material.

[lethal silo]

Also uh. Side tangent to all of this lore. Anyone pick up that the Heaven of Earth seems to be far more in-line with the landscape of La Noscea rather than Gridania, even though that's where Althyk and Nophica have worship. It's flat rolling fertile fields with a floating city around a structure designed as an inverted spire.

Ala: literally all the zones in La Noscea basically being rolling farmland, and as you climb into the hills of the island you find Wanderer's Palace (inverted spire structure) and the Floating City at the edge of a cliff much like Althyk's arena. Alongside the fact we know there is much stronger earth aspecting in La Noscea (there's also literally palm trees in one of the shots of Nophica)

[crystal arrow]

yeah and that wasnt like

super relevant to her fight

like the mechanics remind me a lot of demeter more than a goddess of abundance

[subtle pasture]

But it named her arena, Circle of Inquiry

[crystal arrow]

[subtle pasture]

‘M specifically the field names and landmarks, which doesn’t matter much tbf, just tickles the brain chemicals

Like I imagine Menphina’s arena to be named Lover’s Embrace or Cathedral/Temple/Court of Love?

[winged lagoon]

Love Shack

[tawny relic]

Baby love shack

[primal basalt]

love shack baby!

[tired kettle]

rewatching the trailer and i'm ready to burst into tears hearing the euphrosyne music like i did with aglaia

[late aurora]

Just peeped the TOP intro

Really excited for it

[lean siren]

So after 6.3 alliance, who is left among the twelve to fight?

We got so far,

Halone
Menphina
Thaliak
Nymeia
Llymiaen
Oschon
Byregot
Rhalgr
Azeyma
Nald'thal
Nophica
Althyk

and we have Halone Menphina Nophica and who else for euphrosyne?

[turbid aspen]

althyk and nymeia

[teal salmon]

Althyk and Nymeia

[lean siren]

So we got
Thaliak
Llymiaen
Oschon
Nophica
left eh?

[turbid aspen]

nophica is in the raid too

[lean siren]

ah so it's not just 4 like aglaia was

[untold gull]

well, i mean, they showed nymeia and althyk behind menphina

we have halone and then just the backside of nophica. still salty they won't show her in all her glory

[late aurora]

Roll up with the homies

[flint iron]

menphira is their daughter

[late aurora]

With the homies

[wind bough]

Althyk and Nymeia are seen doing some kind of joined attack in the same arena in the trailer.

Makes sense since they’re supposed to be the eldest of the gods and are siblings/married

Classic mythology stuff 😔

[somber storm]

Imagine we talk to them and they just say "yeah that's just something people made up"

[iron birch]

TBF Rhalgar and Byregot seem to have a different relationship already, so

[granite nimbus]

Nald'thal isn't magically and mechanically conjoined in depictions of them in Ul'dah and Sil'dih too.

[wind bough]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Nald’thal is considered one dual-aspected god by most Eorzeans. It’s only the Ul’dahns who really go deeper and consider them twins

So the Aglaia version gels quite well with established lore

[teal salmon]

Also they do split during their ultimate

[wind bough]

And the mythology says Nald’thal was created by Oschon rather than being born like the rest

So him having a mechanical appearance also fits

[teal salmon]

Because Halone was being a big ol’ murderhobo

[wind bough]

From within the mountains of His creation, Oschon summoned a fount of magma which spewed forth onto the land. Upon cooling, the magma took form of the Twelfth and final god-the dual aspected Nald'thal.

Only Oschon and Nald’thal didn’t come from either the Whorl or the Union of two other gods

Oschon just showed up one day.

[late aurora]

Oschon: “Nymeia will you stop crying if someone was there to take care of the dead?”
Nymeia: “(sniffs) yeah I guess that’d work”

[teal salmon]

“Hey, Oschon, whatcha got there?”

https://tenor.com/view/i-carly-watcha-got-there-smoothie-gif-11706255

[granite nimbus]

Pretty sure it was Nophica, goddess of life, who was pissed at Halone for going on a mass murder spree for giggles.

[late aurora]

Yeah it was, got my Ns mixed up

[gaunt star]

Menphina looks so good holy shit

[wind bough]

You’re the first person I’ve seen say that

[gaunt star]

wtf

[rain onyx]

if it looks like hatsune miku, they're probably good.

[gaunt star]

It’s not about that
She looks exactly the opposite of Azeyma, almost as how I envisioned her. Childlike, capturing the purest form of love (of a child to their parent)

Reminds me of Cupid

[wind bough]

Yeah but…her face texture

[teal salmon]

Azeyma is her older sister

[wind bough]

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[torpid yoke]

Ikr

[somber storm]

She got no eyebrows /s

[keen osprey]

I really hope at the end of the allirance raids, we get a little fan service with our chosen patrol deity

[gleaming rampart]

People will fanta to change their deity

[rain onyx]

if someone wants to pay 10$ for what will probably just amount to a text box or two, that's their choice.

[subtle pasture]

Garland always exists for text variants like that, tbf

And I like Menphina’s design but it’s just lacking compared to the other gods

Where’s the moon goddess and where’s the goddess of love, etc etc

I keep comparing her to Seraphine and I, for one, love Seraphine

…but also fully admit her design just, barely fits in with Runeterra

[wind bough]

Her face texture is just off

[teal salmon]

that trailer was missing some stuff

[subtle pasture]

I really hope she fuses with her hound into something more befitting the moon goddess of love, but that’s a

[teal salmon]

probably just a slightly older build

[crystal arrow]

I really just want a werewolf goddess

[iron birch]

Meanwhile in the actual fight:

https://i0.wp.com/operationrainfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/tumblr_inline_n7njkoBj1I1rlzx5m.gif

[crystal arrow]

alternatively

partially disappointed dalamud doesnt have a sword

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-dancing-husky-funny-gif-14085100

[iron birch]

Give it a gun instead

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/clifford-the-big-red-dog-clifford-cheering-dog-celebrating-gif-19992119

I vote to call the hound phase, Clifford

[gaunt star]

yo what was the name of this cartoon lmao, i remember it

[somber storm]

Alternatively, red rocket

[somber storm]

Clifford the big red dog

[gaunt star]

Ah yeah 😂 ty

[kindred urchin]

Don't tell me urianger turned the bnuuy people into kpop fans

[robust quest]

"Doth GIDLE have thine heart?"

[gaunt star]

red wolf of Radagon ptsd

[granite nimbus]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/digimon/images/1/1d/ZeedGarurumon_b.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090127183451

Gundog.

[late aurora]

Oh that’s just garurumon, it a wolf

[iron birch]

https://youtu.be/hsfCkZjua18

Leaked footage of the Menphina fight /s

[silk cape]

angelo is best girl

[reef yacht]

they took away her eyebrows

[iron birch]

She has them

They're also very faint and hard to see

[crystal arrow]

azeyma seared her eyebrows off

[iron birch]

Yup

They blend in the tic tac toe forehead

[glossy hemlock]

She just looks weird

[iron birch]

Yup

It is the combo of wide forhead, empty eyes and ponytails

[silk cape]

https://tenor.com/view/faruzan-genshin-impact-genshin-hatsune-miku-enigmatic-machinist-gif-27207172

[gaunt star]

Real question

Can we pet the dog?

[iron birch]

/pet

While targeting the dog

[glossy hemlock]

GOTY

[flint iron]

The dog gonna bite your hand off though

[winged lagoon]

Assuming the dog is targetable and not just a mechanic

[ivory wolf]

:c

[flint iron]

Menphira gonna combine with the dog

[frigid isle]

nomura for 7.0 character design please

and no more white hair pls

[cursive sluice]

More white hair! I'm not done with my silver haired twink infinity gauntlet yet.

[gaunt star]

Every reaction to 6.3 someone is saying “TURN AROUND NOPHICA” 💀

If it's Nomura then he's going to add another mysterious black haired girl who dresses in all black

[elfin latch]

Nomura where

Like on FFXIV again?
Lots of zippers that's for sure.

[frigid isle]

why? it doesnt show uniqueness in characters whatsoever. no personas or anything

[elfin latch]

Then call yoko taro again, he'll add a twisted reason on why these characters may have white hair.

[frigid isle]

its kinda sad bc the same chaarcter designer for FFXIV also did FFIV and FFIV was iconic af

[cursive sluice]

lol I'm mostly joking, I just like white/silver hair in general on characters

[frigid isle]

like this is iconic character design while also sticking to the medievel fantasy aesthetic

[torn igloo]

the more i look at this the more i think we're not fighting nymeia this patch

[teal salmon]

She’s being paired with Althyk

[torn igloo]

ahhh i see

not pairing by heavens is confusing me

[toxic galleon]

nymeia and althyk are linked lore-wise iirc. not sure on specifics but it's a "father time" and "sister fate" sort of deal

[torn igloo]

like we have
earth: nophica, althyk, nymeia (visiting)
ice: halone, menphina

maybe it's so they have room for a big bad in 6.5

[flint iron]

Remember the corrup crystal scene

How about dark hydaelin that need the 12 god to seal

[tawny relic]

Pretty sure that was a stand-in for Zodiark

[torpid yoke]

the crystal wasnt hydaelyn though

just her sweat bottled up excess aether she was giving off that coalesced into crystal

[tawny relic]

Hydaelyn is Belle Delphine

[chilly bluff]

[pastel venture]

gamer girl crystals when

[elfin latch]

😬

[subtle pasture]

Wym, we have 6

7 including the Meteion gps rock

Which I think we spent to make Zero a waifu

[torpid yoke]

cant wait to never use the crystals of light again

[winged lagoon]

Have we even used our crystal of light since 3.4

And what happened to the other five anyway

[subtle pasture]

Not really but we collected Team Ardbert’s “real” rocks over ShB’s quests

Except Bert’s,

[flint iron]

It got fuse along him

[subtle pasture]

Probably, but the rest we gave to the virtue hunters who later entrusted them to Cyella

[torpid yoke]

nothing, we just use water since its the first one we got

[subtle pasture]

And iirc Bert’s is stil absent form that set,

[winged lagoon]

Didn't we give Ardbert's to Seto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHfi5fn6WI yeah we did

[toxic galleon]

o true yea

[torpid yoke]

it was on his body iirc

[winged lagoon]

Yeah we looted it from Elidibus

[subtle pasture]

Oh right right

That rock got MSQ presence,

Because the others are part of that variant cutscene after Grenoldt but there’s a no/all crystal version

I do feel like them making the 5.2 virtue hunter talk and EW’s bedroom talk be an option we pick came out of criticism of that scene

Not like, big criticism, it just bothered me you can miss Ardbert mentioning a party member by name if you had more than one rock

Ardbert only learned of Lamitt’s feelings if you handed Grenoldt the healer crystal, for example

[flint iron]

If you have more he say something like

Adventuring with them is the best thing in my life or some shit

[subtle pasture]

And by “criticsm” I more mean there probably was a note internally to make variants like that a player choice/more easily accessible

[silk cape]

Golbez: We need not suffer this purgatory of death and rebirth forever.

Golbez: Join me, and together we shall seek the Promised Land. A glorious kingdom of light where all may know death’s sweet embrace!

One interpretation is that he's talking about the Thirteenth, and how the present state of it locks people out of actually dying in a meaningful way. And by saying "the Promised Land," a "kingdom of light," it seems like the thing he wants to do is allow everyone in the Void to die permanently. Which, notably, we see from Zero that she's able to recover her strength passively just by being on the Source, where there is ambient aether for her to absorb. But since she's not there on contract, it means she wouldn't shlorp back to the Void if she's effectively killed while on the Source.

Which means what Golbez wants is a conduit from the Void to the Lifestream. Because inserting the aether of a soul into the Lifestream breaks it down, and even if we know that reincarnation is a thing that can happen, it's nothing like the respawn effect that the voidsent experience.

As an aside, this might actually provide a way to square the circle about what the Nullstone actually DOES. Voidsent trapped on the Source via contract will shlorp back to the Void when defeated and ostensibly will respawn there given enough time. Voidsent killed on the Source without a contract die permanently because there's nothing to save them from falling into the Lifestream. And the Nullstone ANULLS the active contract for a voidsent, and if they're weak enough, it means they're taking a dip in the Lifestream and are gone permanently.

Which is why despite Scathach and Diabolos both being imprisoned on the Source due to contracts, neither of them have respawned in the Void since getting nulled.

[chilly bluff]

[silk cape]

Golbez attempting to rejoin the Void into the Source's Lifestream could have catastrophic consequences for the Lifestream, which'll have knock-on effects for the Source and probably for the remaining Reflections as well.

This could lead to a way to crack inter-shard travel.

[tawny relic]

We're doing inter-shard travel the way that Warhammer does deep space travel

Through hell

[pastel venture]

sounds rly interesting. Would be interesting to have an antagonist that literally just want a normal death

[iron scaffold]

......wait isn't that Doom

[pastel venture]

But i feel like the void basically has to exist in some form, else reaper would make a lot less sense

• other things i forget rn

so either WoL stops golbez from letting the void die which would have interesting moral questions, or his goal is something else

[silk cape]

Reasonable questions would include "who is Golbez inviting to join him?" and "do they say yes?"

[glossy hemlock]

Zero

[pastel venture]

or actually, we might stop golbez, and then start a restoration project that would finish sometime in the future ™️ like eden in the first

[silk cape]

I also don't think they'll actually flush the Void because there are too many characters who want to recover the Thirteenth in some way, and Golbez has just given up on that being a possibility.

[glossy hemlock]

God please no

It made sense for the 1st

The 13th is so far gone

And even if we did go restoration route it would just be optional content as usual

[flint iron]

Pour light from 1st to 13th

[glossy hemlock]

So it would never matter anyways

[pastel venture]

you know it'll happen shrimp actual world changing events is basically impossible in this game

[subtle pasture]

Actually, Zero’s presence on the Source may not be as stable as we think,

[glossy hemlock]

I hate it

[subtle pasture]

But it depends on why she passes out in Garlemald

[winged lagoon]

Died from cringe

[glossy hemlock]

Can’t be away from the 13th too long maybe

[pastel venture]

my theory atm is she passes out because shes literally didnt know about colds effect on the body

[subtle pasture]

Maybe she doesn’t realize she can’t feed on her kills as she would in the Void because the Lifestream accepts them

[silk cape]

I think that's probably it.

[glossy hemlock]

But she could still get aether from eating

[pastel venture]

or that, basically forgot/dont know how a body should work normally

[glossy hemlock]

Like a normal person

[subtle pasture]

Aye, I more mean she doesn’t realize she can exhaust herself in battle

[glossy hemlock]

Maybe

I think it’ll probably be some ass pull reason

[empty walrus]

From how we understand Zero's biology she is Half-Voidsent and had been living on the 13th since the era of that Rejoining, and possesses the ability to drain Aether from living things instead of eating, drinking.

[glossy hemlock]

Like she’s somehow connected to whatever reaper lore thing they decide to put in the doll

[subtle pasture]

But those are more hopeful ideas than “she can’t be on the Source permanently”

[glossy hemlock]

You see her collapsed in that area too so

[empty walrus]

She most likely passes out from over exertion

[pastel venture]

pls no "cant be on the source permanently"

[glossy hemlock]

So I think she collapses a second time around the doll.

[glossy hemlock]

Best way to get rid of a side character and shelf them forever

[pastel venture]

if they shelf zero

ill

uninstall

for a day

[glossy hemlock]

[glossy hemlock]

LOL

[subtle pasture]

This where after, Zero explains her symptoms and Alisaie just goes “you were… tired???”

[empty walrus]

Legit I think all it'll be

[glossy hemlock]

Lmao imagine she like just doesn’t sleep

[pastel venture]

hopefully its something like that

the devs like to bait stuff like that

[glossy hemlock]

Alisaie would get pissed off that it was such a Simple thing (once she realized Zero will be okay)

[pastel venture]

the friggin huge alphinaud death flag for endwalker launch trailer

[glossy hemlock]

If only it were true

[empty walrus]

Tho, it's clear that her Memoriate abilities take a bit out of her. She passed out similarly after sealing Barbariccia.

[glossy hemlock]

He’s the least favourite child

[pine epoch]

It could be zero passes out as she begins having ptsd memory flashbacks to her past pre flood

[empty walrus]

And that was after sealing who knows how many other Voidsent

[silk cape]

Tyrael: "my stomach feels strange"
Lorath Nahr: "did you forget to eat again?"
Tyrael: "No! In fact, I decided to get the day's eating out of the way all at once. I ate until I could take another bite."
Lorath Nahr: "Oh! Sounds like you ate too much then."
Tyrael: "BEING A MORTAL IS VERY COMPLICATED."

[pine epoch]

As it looks like she fights corrupted heroes in a flashback memory in a similar location as garlemald

[glossy hemlock]

Wow okay

[empty walrus]

Indeed, corrupted from the Eidolons "tempering" the Memoriates

[subtle pasture]

I wonder if that’ll be MSQ or if the hecteyes will tell us about her

[silk cape]

Yeah, I imagine that scene doesn't actually have anything to do with Cagnazzo despite his voice being over the shot.

[flint iron]

Krile literally being forget by the dev

[empty walrus]

From how it sounds Cagnazzo was either a Memoriate himself or close with one

Expressing a lot of anger at the idea there's even any left after the Flood of Darkness

[glossy hemlock]

I love Krile

Alphinaud is MY least favourite child

The devs love Alphinaud

[subtle pasture]

“Oh cool Krile in Myths of the Re—“

[tawny relic]

She's apparently going to be more relevant next expac

[subtle pasture]

G’raha chapter

G’raha getting TWO big side story roles this patch

[glossy hemlock]

G’raha is lame

[subtle pasture]

Like catboy with big tech back pack is cool,

[glossy hemlock]

But they know that just like straight men love Y’shtola straight women love G’raha

[subtle pasture]

But Krile wouldn’t even need the backpack

[flint iron]

It doesn't fit anyway

[subtle pasture]

She’s probably researching the Omphalos with Snoegeim,

But STILL

[empty walrus]

I wish they used Snoegeim to give us small stories about each of the Twelve between patches

[silk cape]

Vader: "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
Tarkin: "The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

[empty walrus]

Or even just an explanation

"Yeah that buff dude you just fought is the patron of people like Gerolt and Godbert"

[pine epoch]

Ok but what if I can manifest in 6.3 hints to the Black Warden in myths

[silk cape]

WoL: "I now understand why these fuckers hate shirts so much."

[pine epoch]

Or msq

Lol Pash. What if Golbez is the Black Warden.

[silk cape]

Black Warden?

[flint iron]

Now i understand why ishgard is hell bent on sword and spear

While mch exist

[pine epoch]

The black warden is like... Satan. Who lives in the 7th Hell.

And is only mentioned by 2 npcs

1.0 by Gaius

And HW by Cid tho cid is debatable

As cid calls it Keeper of the 7th gate

While Gaius calls it Black Warden of the seventh hell

[empty walrus]

Maybe that's our final boss for Myths of the Realm?

If not the Whorl

[flint iron]

If he have 2 role

Then it 14 god

Just like amaurot council

[pine epoch]

Scroll back to yesterday when I talked about this

Not yesterday last night

[glossy hemlock]

Gaius is so hot

[empty walrus]

Speaking of Garleans

I await them adding Garlean armor

[pine epoch]

#retired-patch-6-3-discussion message

There ya go

The lines of dialogue

[glossy hemlock]

It’s gonna be so cool I just want Nero’s helmet for DRG

[pine epoch]

Shout out to Gaius calling Nymeia a whore

[oak pike]

Base

[glossy hemlock]

LOL

A true man of culture

[silk cape]

oho

[empty walrus]

I just want it cause that means we're closer to having the Garlean Gunblade

Whether just a Saucer prize for glam or what, I want that model

[flint iron]

If only we cam bring gaius to meet the 12 especially consider his dialogue in prae

[torn igloo]

anyone know what zero says at 1:21

[flint iron]

They are not primal dumb ass

[glossy hemlock]

I wish. We even get to QUOTE HIM

[torn igloo]

"i hope ?? ?? ?? ?? for the light to come through"

[glossy hemlock]

They hate Gaius

[pine epoch]

Yesterday pash noticed the 2 lines about the 7th hell. Come from Garleans. Which is interesting x3

[silk cape]

Zero: "How big must the gate be for the like to come through?"

[glossy hemlock]

But also lmfao that would be pretty mean he’s dealing with enough shit tbh his entire world has basically changed forever and will never be the same almost everything he knew was a lie

[silk cape]

"the like" could be "the light"

[smoky ingot]

Black Warden agenda ever closer to coming true

[flint iron]

He take it better than the 1st legion legatus

[smoky ingot]

I think Gaius has been retired almost permanently in Terncliff

[glossy hemlock]

Basically.

They have no idea what to do with his character.

[pine epoch]

Why else are there 5 gods in 6.3, if not to bring the warden back in 6.5 /s

[silk cape]

Depending on the context of where she is when she says it, that may help explain what she's saying.

If she's in the Void, saying that there's a gate letting a ton of light into the Void would make sense, but it kinda feel like it's stating the obvious in a weird way.

If she's on the Source, and something HUGE has come through to the Source from the Void, then it would make sense for her to say her line (with "the like" referring to voidsent monsters of a similar size to the one they just encountered).

[smoky ingot]

obviously

[glossy hemlock]

Do you think that Garleans might believe in hell or something they don’t really have a faith system except faith in their emperor

[torn igloo]

ooh

[pine epoch]

Voidsent of unusual size

[smoky ingot]

I’m sure there is an ancestral Garlean faith

They just became very secular as they militarized

[silk cape]

The fact that there's a seventh gate in the Omphalos that no one knows where it goes is probably notable.

[smoky ingot]

especially once Emet placed them staunchly against primals

[pine epoch]

The 7th gate is like super sus. Cause they say at the end of 6.1 the omphalos is the 7th heaven. So where does that seventh gate go to.

[smoky ingot]

What era was Goug

[pine epoch]

Also the central monument is sus too

[empty walrus]

Yeah Garleans being against faiths of any form only happened once Emet starting messing with the country more and establishing the Empire we know today

[silk cape]

Old.

[smoky ingot]

do we know when all the Ivalice prehistory takes place

[pine epoch]

Ivalice... which we dont know where ivalice era is set in. Anywhere from pre allag to post allag

[torn igloo]

emet seems like the kinda guy to get annoyed by religions

[pine epoch]

Or both

[smoky ingot]

ah

[silk cape]

Yeah, it's not clear.

[pine epoch]

We know high seraph and her auracite is older than allag

[smoky ingot]

It seems like the Garleans leaving Corvos must have been post-allag

I do kind of hate the timescales in this game

I’ll be honest

[silk cape]

I've got a theory that the High Seraph was the catalyst for the Calamity of Fire, which would put Ivalice in the Second Umbral/Astral era.

... wait, have I got that right

[smoky ingot]

Fire was number two yeah

[torn igloo]

fire was 3 i thought

[smoky ingot]

or wait

3

Yeah, elemental wheel

[pine epoch]

Wind lightning fire earth

In that order

[oak pike]

tbh i kind of hope we dont do any more time traveling for a while

[silk cape]

Because the Second Umbral/Astral Eras are described as being heavily involved with theocracies and religious wars, that would be a reasonable place for ancient Ivalice to take place, since it would allow it to predate Allag (but not by much).

[torn igloo]

actually yknow the 12 each being associated with a shard would make sense...

and then there being a secret 13th (who is all messed up now)

[smoky ingot]

I feel like there is always a theory about things corresponding to each shard

And it never seems to be true

[flint iron]

That why it's a theory

[smoky ingot]

The only thing we know corresponds to shards is Ascians and even then they kind of just gave up on that and doubled up in places

[torn igloo]

even thats not true, its more a coincidence

we still dont know how hydaelyn's sundering magic works

[silk cape]

I continue to put forth my theory that the phantom realm was Venat's test run of the sundering magic, which is why the Twelve are familiars she sequestered there to inspire hope for Eorzea.

[viscid monolith]

How would she create so many powerful familiars though

[silk cape]

using the aether of her loyal followers and automating them?

[viscid monolith]

Makes sense to me

[silk cape]

holy shit

[flint iron]

This is the same goddess that one kick zodiark

[silk cape]

Menphina is the goddess of the moon
Menphina has a loyal hound
We found a hound on the moon named Argos
And Argos, as a familiar, was so fuckin' strong that the Ascians never tried to face him down to reclaim the Cradle of Darkness.

[viscid monolith]

Woah

[silk cape]

Now whether Argos inspired the idea of Menphina's loyal hound is also up in the air, but the fact that we found him there along with the Watcher feels meaningful.

[pine epoch]

Lopporit dj disco rave on the moon

Never ending party

Leaving open labrynthios and garlemald for future content

[iron birch]

Nah, we dunno that last part

It is a that Argos is strong

But rather, that ascians had no reason to free zodiark

Or well, we really dunno why ascians never tried to free zodiark

[flint iron]

Probably because he is in half ass state

They want a full power zodiark

[iron birch]

That seems likely, ye

[gusty quest]

They'd want a full power Zodiark to best achieve their goals. Not doing it by half.

[severe brook]

It is also interesting considering that while the Ascians never went after the Watcher and Zodiark, Golbez did

[gusty quest]

When was this?

[severe brook]

In the latest patch there appears to be a shot of Golbez triumphing over the Watcher

Near the end of the story

[subtle pasture]

Well we know they were on the moon, they surely knew of the Cradle of Darkness

[gusty quest]

Ah, I was moreso paying attention to the alli raid content

[severe brook]

It also might just be that the Ascians could have but just didn’t want to go for an incomplete Zodiark

[subtle pasture]

And aye, we see what appears to be Golbez slaying the 13th’s Watcher

[subtle pasture]

The Watcher isn’t particularly empowered it seems, literally just watches the Cradle,

Maybe we’ll get a corrupted 13th watcher as a 6.4 dungeon boss

[late aurora]

Yeah there’s no real reason to waste energy on them, when there’s rejoinings to set up

[gusty quest]

I wonder if we'll get a corrupted Azdaja fight at some point.

[severe brook]

We almost certainly will; the question is if she’ll get her own fight or be part of the Black Knight’s

[iron birch]

Could be part of golbez trial

[severe brook]

Could be both

[iron birch]

Cause golbez had the dark dragon in FF4

[gusty quest]

That makes sense

[silk cape]

The Watcher gave the impression that the actual reason the Ascians didn't take a shot at Zodiark was because they knew that until they hit a certain number of Rejoinings, Zodiark wouldn't have enough mass to overpower Hydaelyn. And starting a fight with a weakened Zodiark on your side who might not be holding off the Final Day AND has to throw down against a sufficiently threatening Hydaelyn just isn't a sound strategy.

[pine epoch]

Ye in FF4 at the dwarf kings castle. Golbez fights the party himself after you beat Calcabrina. He summons his pet Shadow Dragon which wipes the floor with the party and before doing the finishing blow. Rydia the summoner appears summoning the Mist Dragon which annihilates the Shadow Dragon.

Depending on which version of 4 you play Golbez will be weakened and go down in 3 to 4 hits, or be a proper boss fight.

[silk cape]

Put another way, the Ascians knew that Hydaelyn wouldn't KILL Zodiark, just keep him subdued. So they could afford to wait until they were assured of their victory before breaking him out.

[severe brook]

Mhm

Similarly, she may not have had as many direct defenses besides Argos and the Watcher because she didn’t expect them to make a move until things had hit a point of no return anyway

[silk cape]

(That said, I like the idea that Argos was strong enough to clown on the Sundered Ascians that if any of them got uppity he'd take a bite out of them)

[gusty quest]

The effective might of a demigod was no match for a bork from the goodest of bois

[silk cape]

Argos: sitting with a piece of black cloth in his mouth
Nabriales: attempting to cover his polkadot underpants from the hole torn in them by Argos WATCHER! RESTRAIN YOUR BEAST
The Watcher: All the members of your order know the truth, honored Nabriales; I can no more restrain Argos than I could dissuade him from his duty to defend the Cradle of Darkness from interference. You have strayed too close. Lest you wish for more of your wardrobe to suffer, I advise you quit this place.
Nabriales: The day will come when we shall restore our master to his place of glory, and your head shall be the first we offer in sacrifice!
The Watcher: Should that day come, Argos and I shall await you, honored Nabriales.

Two asides: 1) The count of Ancients in Venat's faction aside from her was 12 or 13?
2) If we assume that Venat instantiated the same defenses on each moon with each Watcher, that means Golbez had to go through the Thirteenth's Argos to get to the Watcher and the shard of Zodiark. Now I REALLY want to kill this fucker.

Hmm... but the loporrits were only on the Source, because Hydaelyn's backup plan to evacuate the people of the Source couldn't account for saving the people of the reflections as well, and if the Source went down, the reflections all went down with it.

[gusty quest]

First, we kick Golbez in the balls... Harrrrrrrrd.

Then he dies

[pallid girder]

Maybe golbez will use Azdaja as his shadow dragon.

[gaunt star]

Look away Vrtra while we kill your sister 99 times to get a mount

[iron birch]

That it is the idea

[gusty quest]

Pull an invincible with an incredibly low drop chance.

Takes years to get it

[gaunt star]

Well after 99 runs you're guaranteed it

Just depends on how long the fight is and how many totems it drops

I do think 99 totems is a bit much tho

Could easily make it be 50 totems instead like how they did it with the Rath mount

50 runs sounds plenty

[quasi quiver]

if they keep the 2 totems per run that would work too

[teal salmon]

Okay so watching MrHappy’s podcast

[gusty quest]

Been so long since I used totems to get a mount

[teal salmon]

He mentions that the surge of Aether from the trailer is accompanied by corrupted crystals like how 1.0 was prior to The Calamity

[gusty quest]

Forgot about it

[gaunt star]

I haven't used totems yet either thankfully

But I was close

[dim sigil]

At least they started doing two totems per round for some

[gaunt star]

86 runs before I got my Hades mount

[gusty quest]

Longest for me was Shinryu. 73 runs

[gaunt star]

I could've waited till 5.4 when the Hades mount was buyable

[teal salmon]

52 for Ruby for me

[gaunt star]

But I wanted it immediately bc purple dragon

[pallid girder]

corrupted crystals?

also i wonder if they didnt show the pld rework demo on PLL cuz they needed more time to refine/tweak

[gaunt star]

Didn't show it bc it would've been so awesome everyone would've forgotten about everything else that was announced

[gusty quest]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-overdose-gif-22522298

[teal salmon]

Some here too

I feel like Golbez’s plan is to siphon the light from the First and counterbalance the Thirteenth

[pallid girder]

What could this mean then 👀

[pallid girder]

"Man, you would have been great when we were fighting all the Lightwardens and stuff."

[teal salmon]

Also that area looks like it’s behind the Tower of Babil

[gaunt star]

Golbez has ligma is what it means

[gusty quest]

Ligma?

@gaunt star

[teal salmon]

@queen tiger what’d you mean with the 1.0 corrupted crystals in your podcast with the deluge of Aether in the trailer?

Or I could do this

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/ligma-balls-gif-22082587

[gusty quest]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[pallid girder]

https://tenor.com/view/alisaie-facedesk-ffxiv-facedesk-gif-26528648

[crystal arrow]

those are atomos primes innit

we see one in wod

[teal salmon]

Oh… HMMMMMMM

That changes things

A lot

Because one disappeared after that frame

[pallid girder]

new island sanct levels should still use blue cowries, ya?

[gaunt star]

Unless they add new ones, ye

But I don't remember if they said they were adding new ones

[pallid girder]

a lot of people would have massive levels of cowries amassed by now

[gaunt star]

Have to get that achievement

I'm close to it

[pallid girder]

Why does Golbez keep doing the cape thing everytime in every scene - MrHappy

[analog hemlock]

I got 120k saved up by now

[pallid girder]

because, well, he's got a cape

he has to do it, the fluttering and swoosh thing!

[analog hemlock]

How much was the achivement

[gaunt star]

500k

[analog hemlock]

Ah not the worst

That's like 5 months or so

[gaunt star]

Less if you get some good weeks

Gonna buy out all the new stuff day one

[analog hemlock]

In before they make a mount 200k

[gaunt star]

I hope the blimp is 3 million mgp

I have too much of it

[strange wing]

Oh right new GP mount

And it looks good. Damn.

[somber storm]

If only our capes do that

[pallid girder]

im only pvp series rank 9

havent been doing pvp as much for series 2

gweh

[strange wing]

I only care about rank when there is stuff to care about. And that mount is ugly.

[pallid girder]

series 3 is that new armor set right

[strange wing]

I think we're on series 4

I dunno I lost count.

I only awaken my l33t ninja skills when there are good glams around

[pallid girder]

nah still series 2

series 3 is in 6.3

[tired kettle]

poor naming conventions

a series encompasses two seasons

[strange wing]

Right that's it

[iron birch]

They paid for the animation

Same reason why Zero lowers her hat every two minutes

[viscid monolith]

It'll be his casting animation too

[iron birch]

Casting, nah

But probably reappearing after teleport one

Exdeath had similar stuff

[livid oracle]

[iron scaffold]

thats what Villains do

[wind bough]

Wouldn’t you do the same if you had that cape

[quasi cargo]

I would, it looks awesome

[pastel venture]

didnt varis also do that a lot?

[wet prawn]

Apart from the fact that it looks badass it's also so that it trails behind him instead of being in front of his feet and tripping right into it

Seen enough cosplayers do that, starting to think that was a good way to solve the problem and look smooth at the same time

[pastel venture]

... now im picturing golbez tripping over his own cape the first few times

[wet prawn]

Lunarians tripping over capes in their 20s before looking cool in FFIV

That's why fusoya doesn't have one, he's smarter than that

A true sage

[pallid girder]

if for some reason golbez can fly, all WoL needs to do is to open a portal that sucks him in, cape first.

[viscid sigil]

I do appreciate how this patch opened with "Hey let's just do something fun like raiding an ancient treasure for cash and excitement" and is ending up on "we are going to need you to kill an ancient evil, a new demon lord who has enslaved one of the first brood, and literally all of your gods"

[teal salmon]

Said Lord also wants to die

[iron scaffold]

sounds like normal day in a jrpg

[granite nimbus]

Y'shtola does say she wonders what gods WoL pissed off in a previous life to deserve this kind of misfortune...

[pallid girder]

All of them with Azem-esque antics, i'm sure.

[granite nimbus]

I still find it hilarious that Azem is weird enough that everyone but their best friend Emet-Selch took their grape excuse at face value.

[teal salmon]

wait

would Noah be considered male or female? since he's in Koh's body

answered it myself

Noah/Koh is female in the journal

[stark marsh]

His beard makes up for it

[subtle pasture]

Noah was an Allagan woman, I do believe

the most foremost Oneiromancer who specialized with... oneiros, dream pearls, one of which she imprinted herself upon and is how Koh came "possessed" by her

[teal salmon]

ah

I haven't heard of Noah as a female name often

yeah, EE confirms that

[subtle pasture]

I'll say that like,

I'll prob never consider like "that's really Noah's soul!" because, we've seen other mnemonic imprints and such since

doesn't particularly matter, I suppose. wonder if they'll mention it since it's been so long since Noah and Oneiromancy got a mention.

[teal salmon]

well she's the start of Eureka Orthos, so

[subtle pasture]

Yep yep

[teal salmon]

I did do her quest

[analog hemlock]

That's azems trick this whole time, do so much crazy shit that something normal like grapes would be believable

[gaunt star]

how many postcards does 1 criterion dg give u

[iron birch]

Also side note, I wonder if we're going to see corrupted Azdaja in the Goolbez shadow form next patch

[mystic spade]

Considering she's been in the void for like 2-3 calamities, Source time, and being eaten alive with potential her scales slowly being corrupted (as Vrtra scale is slowly be corrupted a bit with tested Nixie)
Mayyyyyyyybe?

[iron birch]

Ye, but she was kept in stasis most of the time

I assume Goolbez is gonna pop up with her too corrupted as the shadow dragon after we clap Rubicante and cagnazzo

Actually wait

Did 6.2 end with Rubicante saying he needed all the remaining dragon power, or that he wanted it as the reward?

[gaunt star]

I havent played since 6.0 but has there been any Zemus reference so far?

[iron birch]

The only closest thing to that is that one character is called Zero

But it might be unrelated

And well, of course ||the
4 fiends and Goolbez||

[worthy light]

This shot lives rent free in my head

[subtle pasture]

LUNAR CRY LUNAR CRY LUNAR CRY LUNAR C—

https://tenor.com/view/rabies-foaming-at-the-mouth-avatar-animation-angry-gif-10883116

OH confirmed phase change for Menphina

Different floor!!!!

Also circular while I think the checkered floor is rectangular/square

Nvm the checkered room is circular too.

But still, sparkly floor change while she’s ulti’ing

[gaunt star]

Dalamutt minion pls

[worthy light]

Definitely. Looks like phase 1 is inside a chapel of sorts, while phase 2 is outside in the moonlight

[silk cape]

I maintain that the best visual reference to Lunar Cry cam from forever ago https://youtu.be/c-rTM9qOasQ?t=585

[iron birch]

Could also be the cutscene

Like Aglaia or even Nymeia do the thing

But ye, Menphina is the last boss

So she has prob 2 phases

[gaunt star]

My hope for the trial to have new music

But they probably would've had it be in the trailer for a small portion if it did

[torpid yoke]

it might have new music

[gaunt star]

Gimme a phase 2

[torpid yoke]

6.2 didnt have the boss music in the trailer either

iirc

not to mention that barbs theme mentions buried memories in particular

[gaunt star]

It had the other FF 4 music so it counts

[torpid yoke]

not when you mention specifically trial

[gaunt star]

Damn

You got me

[iron birch]

2 phases music can be a thing tbf

[gaunt star]

Phase 1 can be the music they played for barb and then phase 2 can be something unique for Caggy

[iron birch]

So starts with 4 fiends (god edition) > the ultimate Kamen rider Rubicante

Nah, it'll be another rendition of 4 fiends

[iron birch]

Nah, rubicante slurps Cagnazzo

[gaunt star]

Caggy theme should just be water dropping from a faucet

[gaunt star]

Rubicante theme is just kamen rider music

[iron birch]

TBF my pet theory is that rubicante absorbs cagnazzo

And gets a blue/red get up

[humble heron]

But that doesn't add up if you count the trial number

We already killed scary mouse and barbie girl, and if we kill ruby rose and magna cagna combined that only leaves us with golbez left and thats 3 total trials

So we probably fight em each separately

[torpid yoke]

We can fight azdaja in 6.4 and then golbez in 6.5

[humble heron]

Wouldnt make sense thematically

[torpid yoke]

or just fight golbez in 6.4, kill him, then have another villain in 6.5 that will last till at least 7.0

[humble heron]

Trial series have a theme and they like to stick to said themes

Azdaja isnt a ff4 villain/entity as far as im aware

[silk cape]

Golbez having a dark dragon would be thematically appropriate with some of his bossfights in FF4.

[humble heron]

Ah i just mean more of the fact that azdaja isnt a lord of an element

[torpid yoke]

Neither is golbez technically

[humble heron]

Yeah but he is the leader of that crew so it works out

And again the whole ff4 thing

[torpid yoke]

And azdaja would be an extension of his crew

[silk cape]

Also, I don't have source for it right now, but I think they specified that they weren't doing a typical Trial sidequest series in Endwalker, and that they'd all be MSQ trials. So we're already in different territory than normal.

[humble heron]

Not from ff4

[torpid yoke]

a shadow dragon is though

[humble heron]

Thats fair

[humble heron]

That is correct

[torpid yoke]

and we usually have 3 fights of the trial series based bosses

[humble heron]

No we have 4

[torpid yoke]

then kill the straggler in a cutscene

3 trial based fights i mean

[humble heron]

Oh ur right actually yes

[torpid yoke]

one usually gets solo instanced or dungeoned

[humble heron]

Thought shb had 4

It only has 3

So then yes we definitely fight the fusion

Im wrong

[torpid yoke]

its a possibility

[silk cape]

It could be a two-boss fight like Garuda/Ifrit in Eden that becomes a fusion dance fight. Lots of possibilities as it stands.

But the point is that this is an atypical scenario since we're getting a similar number of trials, but they're all MSQ instead of three of them being sidequest content.

[iron birch]

Zeromus is an option, or they could also end 6.5 with a trial to set up 7.0 totally unrelated/side tangent to the storyline

So really, not that far fetched

Oh, and of course also the option that one trial isn't msq

Although unlikely

[dawn wave]

one could be a solo instance ?

anything could happen at this point

[crystal arrow]

i think we're gonna get one side trial through hildibrand

at least one

it's obligatory that we fight greg again

[iron birch]

Oh, ye, but I wouldn't count it in between the "main" trials

Kinda like sb

[tight marlin]

HW was regula
SB was Soroban/Genbu
ShB was Sapphire

I sense a trend

Clearly the next solo is Cag

Because

They're all blue

[iron birch]

This too of course

[tight marlin]

[iron birch]

Scarmiglione got the dungeon short stick

So not impossible

[tight marlin]

And Cag is blue so he's solo instance

[crystal arrow]

cagnazzo is likely our trial

[tight marlin]

Sen I just said he's solo cuz he's blue

[iron birch]

I still think cagnazzo and rubicante are a dual trial

Mostly cause Rubicante said he needed cagnazzo help, that's all

[humble heron]

Maybe we punch caggy in a solo trial and rubi absorbs him

[tight marlin]

Ye he needs cag to be the solo to soften us up

Then rubi absorbs him and becomes
Rubicag

[crystal arrow]

i think the help is in the form of distracting us while rubicante goes through the voidgate in alzadaal or something. there's a shot in the trailer of a beam of fiery aether in/near radz.

[iron birch]

Ye, but my idea is that rubicante slurps Cagnazzo

So still feasable

[bright gazelle]

A good offense is the best defense

I'll guess that they attack through the voidgate and we get the trial early, it gets destroyed and then we need to find another voidgate

[tight marlin]

Pray return to the crystal tower

[iron birch]

I wonder

I think our escape to Garlemald is wholly unrelated to voidsents attacking

[torpid yoke]

we still have room for a extra trial so we can have all msq trials and a hilde one

[iron birch]

Oh, I think the Hilde one is just on top of the others

Simply due to the effort required to unlock it and the fact that trials give catch up weapons usually

Anyway we'll see

[dawn wave]

i wanna take zero to the moon and kiss her on the balcony of the watcher’s palace

[iron birch]

Can't wait for Zero to be our last trial /s

Zeromus, the voidheart

[pastel venture]

they better not

[iron birch]

(and then you save her and you make out or something, I dunno)

[dawn wave]

yes please

[iron birch]

Also imagine giant reaper version of zero

Like we got Shiva-eden and fatebreaker

[pastel venture]

ok that is fine

[dawn wave]

i mean we have her voidsent form already

[iron birch]

Oh, ye, but a hotter better one

[bright gazelle]

we're definitely going to find out her dark secret before the end

[pale pilot]

She secretly plays wow when nobody is watching her

[subtle pasture]

I saw the word "solo instance" so I'mma hook on that,

definitely figure Zero squaring off with the horsey voidsent in Garlemald is a solo instance, not a part of Lapis Manalis,

which would include her subsequent involuntary sleepy time

[crystal arrow]

there was something summoning more voidsent using atomos primes

i couldnt tell what it was

it's one of those forgall-type voidsent https://i.imgur.com/PO1HoWj.png

[silk cape]

Pandaemonium Wardens 😛

[iron birch]

Oh, for cagnazzo

[smoky ingot]

Think it is, I saw solo duty arena borders in the trailer there

I kinda hope it’s an RP duty

[glossy hemlock]

Ewww

You’re probably right though

I fucking hate those

[stark marsh]

I love those

I love any rpg section where it switches control from the main protagonist to another character

It's really cool to me

[iron birch]

The real question is if godbert is also a rp section

[viscid monolith]

It's an opportunity to get players to try a less complex version of a job they might not be interested in. Too bad SE waters them down to like, 3 buttons.

[dim sigil]

People already cry about those 3 buttons being too hard, imagine if it was more

[viscid monolith]

I'll never forgive them for the Hien instance

"Should we give them the boring dot or the cool big hit attack? Let's give them the dot. Let's also give them the first gcd in their combo but not the rest"

I assume someone got a raise for coming up with such amazing gameplay.

[iron birch]

I remember someone complaining that Alphinaud duties were too hard

[glossy hemlock]

The only acceptable RP section:

[iron birch]

In pre shb btw

[glossy hemlock]

My issue is that it’s only 3 buttons it’s so fucking boring

Especially if you play the class

[iron birch]

Se and releasing their trailers in Hd : never

[glossy hemlock]

And know what it’s supposed to feel like

[iron birch]

Unless you're an healer

Then it is about the same for story content

[torpid yoke]

having more than 3 buttons is too much for some players

[glossy hemlock]

Then it’s just boring because you don’t fucking do anything else the whole fight

[iron birch]

TBF it is also a bit more, cause one is the combo

So like 7 buttons condensed into 3

[viscid monolith]

True but they didn't start that until SHB

Did they ever go back and fix Hien's instance?

It's that bad. It needs repairs.

[subtle pasture]

Tbf, it’s more to do with you suddenly having a bar of new actions and needing to easily identify what’s what to go on with the story

[chilly bluff]

They did, yes.

[subtle pasture]

And not be so intrusive so you can watch and read the story while doing the simplified actions

[viscid monolith]

That's another design flaw though. They could throw up a menu showing what your skills do at the beginning of the instance before you aggro the boss.

[smoky ingot]

They’re not gonna make you learn how to play samurai

[subtle pasture]

I say, as though the second pass through the Magna Glacies didn’t almost give you the full RDM kit on Alisaie…

[torpid yoke]

Ppl would skip it

ppl cant read lance

[viscid monolith]

Then it's their fault

[smoky ingot]

no continuation on thancred 😔

[torpid yoke]

hell you can do that already by just hovering over the skill

[glossy hemlock]

Thancred is lame

[viscid monolith]

Not on controller

[smoky ingot]

I gotta say I liked having almost constant stardivers on Estinien

[torpid yoke]

You can on clontroller

[viscid monolith]

Well you can but it's a pain

[torpid yoke]

Its really not

[subtle pasture]

I don’t mean so much as reading the tooltip, it doesn’t change that you now have 3-5 new actions that may combo into things you may not recognize if you haven’t touched the respective class

[torpid yoke]

specially since they dont auto aggro you

[glossy hemlock]

Anything on controller is a pain

[viscid monolith]

Ya fine so I'm a little lazy about it

[smoky ingot]

they could probably put the entire level 90 summoner kit in an rp Duty

without issue

[chilly bluff]

Skill issue

[subtle pasture]

You’re not wrong,

[chilly bluff]

Joking aside I get it lol. It’s not for everyone.

[viscid monolith]

There's nothing wrong with asking the player to learn a small 5 button kit

[subtle pasture]

But yeah, I’d say it’s them striking the median of an interesting way to deliver the story and not interrupting it

[iron birch]

It is good thing FFXIV doesn't Cather to everyone at least /s

[subtle pasture]

And tbf, most instances do, they give you that warm-up period of easier mobs

[torpid yoke]

Some people just struggle with learning fast

even if its just 5 buttons

[viscid monolith]

It's not like they have a time limit though

Or a limited number of loves

Lives

[subtle pasture]

And that’s fine, it’s why most the RP sections aren’t too challenging, at least in their initial waves of enemies

[smoky ingot]

It’s quite a generous time limit

[iron birch]

Btw

Are zero gear in the trailer also unique?

[torpid yoke]

imagine in from the cold with a full gld kit

[viscid monolith]

Like, it's fine to take a few tries to clear an instance

[torpid yoke]

If it takes a few tries people will complain that its too hard

[subtle pasture]

It’s not fine for player retention, yeah

[torpid yoke]

and probably just quit

[viscid monolith]

Over a few tries?

[subtle pasture]

Like the body hop section is a little brutal for how long it goes,

[torpid yoke]

You've seen the OF lance

[viscid monolith]

I try to forget, Rymi

[dim sigil]

Ily2

[iron birch]

TBF istances can also be played on easy

So really, I blame the players /s

[subtle pasture]

But why should a section like that be challenging,

[tight marlin]

It's not like people play the game for difficulty

[iron birch]

In the cold was to showcase the hard pain of being a normal grunt tbf

[viscid monolith]

I'm not asking for them to turn up the difficulty. I just want more buttons in some instances.

[tawny relic]

It's like why the first act of Stormblood dragged on

[viscid monolith]

They could leave the instances exactly the same

[tawny relic]

Because we were in areas of people who were beaten down and dragged through the dirt

[subtle pasture]

But like what does the instance gain filling out the toolkit some more,

[iron birch]

Also J just noticed

Halone pack is a bunch of ice soldiers and sprites

[subtle pasture]

iirc This is Thancred was just 3?

Stealth, assassinate, and…

[viscid monolith]

It gives you more to do than just press one gcd combo and one or two attack cds

[chilly bluff]

Stinky bomb for doggos

[subtle pasture]

Tbf, you’re in an interactive cutscene for most the RP sections,

[tight marlin]

See that sounds good and all but people would rather hit skip if they could so never mind a more fleshed out fighting

[viscid monolith]

I'd say pvp kits are a perfect fit for rp instances. They're incredibly straight forward and have more class flavor than the pve kits if I'm being honest.

[tight marlin]

It's just a cutscene except you get the immersion of throwing hands

Which reminds me

How is it that we never got a Lyse bit

[subtle pasture]

It’s also reflecting the diff character’s unique skillsets, tbf

[viscid monolith]

The small kits also kind of make the person you're playing as look sort of pathetic

[subtle pasture]

They’re not gonna have the same skills we do

[torpid yoke]

PvP kits have more flavor because of the cc effects imo

[tight marlin]

But sniper tho

[viscid monolith]

CC effects and support skills

[subtle pasture]

But why, it’s just not relevant to have so many buttons

[viscid monolith]

I am literally asking for 10 tops

[torpid yoke]

We'll get in in 7.0 for pve

[tight marlin]

That's 10 too many

[torpid yoke]

I will always find it funny i called sniper for mch for 6.x

[viscid monolith]

I think most of the pvp kits cap out at 8 individual buttons

[tight marlin]

U gotta understand that people just don't care about playing the game for gameplay

[torpid yoke]

I just got it wrong where it'd be XD

[silk cape]

lance you are but one bottom

you cannot possibly service that many tops

[subtle pasture]

I really don’t see why RP sections should use PvP kits

[tight marlin]

Why do u think we got streamers who play msq but are notoriously stinky at the gameplay

[viscid monolith]

I'll take any challenge and no one can stop me

[tight marlin]

Go for ten they said. Go for ten

[subtle pasture]

The RP sections are designed to be readily accessible and non-intrusive to experiencing the story,

They certainly don’t need a full bar of actions

[viscid monolith]

I'm using the pvp kits as an example of what I's wanna see in RP fights. They're small, but enjoyable and make you think a tiny bit.

I just want the game to be more sometimes.

[tight marlin]

But people don't wanna think

[chilly bluff]

They would also have to design around that kind of kit. Solo RP instance with CC buttons that go unused would just confuse people and make things harder than they need to be.

[subtle pasture]

It’s not that people don’t wanna think, it’s just unnecessary to design a story segment to… be more than it has to be.

It’s a lot of fuss for something that’s only going to occupy some 20~ minutes

[crystal arrow]

people struggled enough with urianger's 5 button ast kit making someone learn a job on the fly is excessive

for the average msqer

[subtle pasture]

Tbf, that’s also bc the Battle of Carteneau flings you between three perspectives so rapidly

[crystal arrow]

i mean sure but like

I think there was someone who tried for 5 hours straight

[tight marlin]

Skill issue

[viscid monolith]

That's another issue that could just be solved by throwing up a menu with all of the skills

[tight marlin]

People just don't fucking read lol

[crystal arrow]

anyways my point is that they'd never do it bc the average player is not that uh

Capable

[subtle pasture]

I just disagree with describing the dev choice as “dumb downed,” it’s more about, immersion and efficiency

[crystal arrow]

that too

[subtle pasture]

Alsiaie knows to follow up veraero with a quickened verearth, why complicate it with the separate buttons

And so on

[viscid monolith]

No keep the consolidated buttons

Put more of those in player kits too

[crystal arrow]

god no

jobs are simple enough

[subtle pasture]

Button consolidation is for countering button bloat, tbf

If only we had good macros in this game, otherwise

[viscid monolith]

Consolidate them and use the newly added space for more interesting skills

[chilly bluff]

I don’t like talking shit but the average player is much less skilled than you’d expect. I can’t adequately explain just how low the bar is. Making job design more complicated for the sake of it would be overdeveloping for no gain.

[subtle pasture]

More like, designing for the “lowest common denominator,” isn’t a bad thing. In the case of RP sections it’s a vehicle to tell the story form another perspective, in the way most players are most intimate with it: in battle.

Or rather, in action.

inb4 non-combat RP sections in 7.0

[chilly bluff]

Split narrative with girl meteor go

[subtle pasture]

(I’m actually totally blanking if there are already non-combat RP sections)

[brisk quail]

I'd be happy to some some button consolidation, ala GW2

[torpid yoke]

Tbh

They could consolidate tank and mch combo into one button

Or rather drk and gnb combo

[tawny relic]

Make the 3 Drills a combo

[torpid yoke]

No

[obtuse trout]

No thanks.

[torn igloo]

was looking through the (pvp) twelve sets and of the ones available, halone is the only one in aglaia/euphrosyne

[teal salmon]

Althyk is there tho

[iron scaffold]

Sniper rifle tho

[torn igloo]

oh wait yeah althyk is there

forgot

so fending/maiming/striking/scouting if you wanna be festive

[tranquil nymph]

when is the dragoon rework coming out?