archived-player-vs-player

[sterile ibex]

that's also assuming they lb

[tepid pier]

C'est la vie. Sometimes that warrior spamming rend off cooldown is just really pissing off your team.

[sterile ibex]

imagine thinking you can react to the stun when you get hit by the phoe > six > enli > lb when the mnk has low ping

[tepid pier]

Monk combo is scary

[formal hill]

even when tehres no war or whm on the enemy team my team just ignores teh monk

[sterile ibex]

casually does 55k with a gcd 2 ogcds and lb

[formal hill]

eh w.e ill just get my challenge long done and forget CC exists anyway

[tepid pier]

Does phoenix increase the potency of monk's lb?

[sterile ibex]

no

it increases enli

from 8k to 12k

[tepid pier]

Ah

[sterile ibex]

then lb procs pressure point

[tepid pier]

Yep

[sterile ibex]

so just from enli > lb you're getting 48k raw

[scarlet tulip]

Dark knight is fun as fuck in frontline

Went from Battle High 0 to 2 in about 20 seconds during a kill streak near the end of a game

[bitter pilot]

What are some tips for playing Monk in CC and Fromtlines? I'm relatively new to PvP on a whole and playing on controller if that matters

[pulsar harness]

Me: plays BLM
PLD, WAR, MNK, NIN:

[sly mesa]

is there an exact date for season end? or it it sometime around 6.18/exactly when 6.18 drops

[tepid pier]

Presumably the season will end with Patch 6.18 maintenance.

As it stands the only indication of the series length is "Patch 6.1-6.18"

[pine bear]

good

leaving jobs to do theyr own thing is usually a mistake, leaving a blm to do it's own thing is even worse

[pulsar harness]

yeah but like
no fun :(

[pine bear]

being deep frozen and deep fried isn't fun either

[pulsar harness]

it is 4 me lmaoo

[vapid flicker]

Okay can someone explain me the Ninja Lb in PvP?

[spiral brook]

If the target is under 50% HP, you instakill them and get to use it again

If not, it’s just damage

[vapid flicker]

So basically the SAM lb just in better?

Since you need to apply the Debuff on SAM lb for an insta kill

[spiral brook]

Ehh, SAM’s is an AoE

It also has higher base damage in case it doesn’t kill

10k vs 24k

Samurai’s is definitely better on people that aren’t watching your LB

While Ninja has more consistency on a specific target

[vapid flicker]

Ah that lowkey explain why i always see ninjas climb up with these damage up buffs on maximum in Frontlines

They wait until someone drops under 50% and boom kill?

[compact panther]

51k chainsaw

GET THIS SHIT OUT OF THE FUCKING GAME

[vapid flicker]

Sounds like the 5% chance just hit

[compact panther]

Just remove it

That's fucking stupid

[vapid flicker]

wait... you can chain the Ninja Lb?

[wheat cargo]

yes

[compact panther]

No ability should literally hit for 100% of my health pool

[wheat cargo]

if you kill someone with the buff you apply to them within 10s you get a reset

[vapid flicker]

Wow..

[wheat cargo]

!pvpaction seiton tenchu

[surreal token]

**Seiton Tenchu** : NIN (1 None) (10.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Rushes target and delivers an attack with a potency of 10,000, incapacitating foes whose HP is below 50%.
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Death Link
Duration: 5s
Defeating an enemy with this action, or one under the effect of Death Link, will grant Seiton Tenchu Ready, allowing a second execution of this action.
Duration: 10s
Effect cannot be applied to players riding machina or non-player combatants.
Can only be executed when the limit gauge is full or while under the effect of Seiton Tenchu Ready.
Cannot be executed while bound.

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[wheat cargo]

5s to kill

10s of reset timer

[vapid flicker]

But getting killed by 100% Chainsawgun is heh

Not even frustrating .... just bad RNG

[wheat cargo]

outskilled

[vapid flicker]

nah xD

[wheat cargo]

interactive gameplay smile

[vapid flicker]

At this point i really like the WHM LB

https://tenor.com/view/fire-mouth-firing-my-lazer-cell-dragon-ball-z-dbz-gif-17318792

[sacred quail]

I had a fun game yesterday. Watched my team die 2 times to the samurai LB. I just sit back and think welp some never learn. Good thing I noticed though is ninja lb seems to be more consistent. I hit someone at 49% and even though they healed to 72 after it actually worked and got my chain off.

[mellow pasture]

people usually play better around SAM LB in higher ranks

usually

[compact panther]

Teach a noob (me) what I’m looking for

[compact panther]

lmfao do 2x the damage and healing of their healer, still fucking lose

Absolutely incredible how heavy some teams can be

I am literally losing my fucking mind with these losing streaks where I top healing by miles compared to this other "healer" and also do second highest damage over my team compared to the "dps" I'm paired with

[subtle hornet]

Comparing it to astro isn't a fair comparison

Because your LB gives free aoe heals

[compact panther]

And literally every single game is like this. It feels like I have no impact on the game at all when I am pumping ridiculous numbers and not feeding

Also why do I have bard/machinist as my dps literally every game I play? So fucking weird

Maybe its the only 3 people that play on my datacenter (is that what it's called?)

[sullen mist]

their drg was 1-3 but still outdamaged yours by about 15%

meaning his LBs fucking trucked your team by not splitting

idk if topping healing by 'miles' is accurate, 1.46m vs 1.57m is not even 10%, and he did more damage while getting less kills

considering the final % was 42.8 vs 48, i think chances are that you or the astro spending a bit more time on crystal rather than securing kills may have swung the balance

because there isn't a gate between 42.8 and 48 the way there is between 49 and 51

winning the battles, but losing the wars

[pine bear]

Tfw there Is a kill Easy to secure but you're getting the crowd control special and your team Is eating glue

[faint gust]

hi

some people want to do duel?

[tepid pier]

I would simply not get hit by chainsaw rng

!pvpaction chain saw

[surreal token]

**Chain Saw** : MCH (10.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 12,000 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
Additional Effect: 3% chance to deal damage equal to 100％ of target's HP while under the effect of Analysis
Effect cannot be triggered when targeting players riding machina or non-player combatants.
Additional Effect: Grants Drill Primed
Maximum Charges: 2
Can only be executed while under the effect of Chain Saw Primed.
This weaponskill does not share a recast timer with any other actions.

※Action changes to Drill while under the effect of Drill Primed.

※This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.

Powered by XIVAPI

[tepid pier]

3%.... luck issue 🤷

[compact panther]

Weird that it's a 3% chance but happens literally every game I play 🤔

[sterile ibex]

owned

skill issue to the extreme

[pine bear]

I love to use it on groups of people in frontlines

3% Mass lottery

[scarlet tulip]

I like how pvp removes most rng (crits, direct hits, block and parry) then they add that

Good trolling Yoshi

[sterile ibex]

didn't remove team rng

[exotic kayak]

It's a reference to the instant kill chance it had in FFVI.

[scarlet tulip]

good reference! bad mechanic.

[real cloak]

[Original Message Deleted]

[Original Message Deleted]

[compact panther]

Have you tried increasing your skill? :^)

[scarlet tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-final-fantasy7-final-fantasy-vii-final-fantasy-funny-final-fantasy-meme-gif-24012448

[compact panther]

If I watch another person just let them fucking end the game instead of guarding on the crystal im going to break my fucking monitor

Holy fuck 4 losses in a row again. Why the fuck does this keep happening

i fucking hate this game holy shit

plat 2 back to plat 4

[compact panther]

i am literally going to lose every fucking star i had in a row, i don't understand

i can't fucking believe this i lost everything from plat 2 to plat 4 zero stars

how the fuck does this even happen? like statistically how am i getting the shit team this consistently??

lmfao and then now my teammate doesn't even join the match god fuck this game to death

[wheat cargo]

Sounds like you should stop playing and chill

During my climb I stopped whenever I had a bad game or two to stop my mental from booming

[compact panther]

I have to keep just spamming games hoping to hit a lottery

That's all this stupid fucking system is. RNG on what you get for a team until you finally hit jackpot

[wheat cargo]

Or idk play betterer

4head

[compact panther]

true

i keep topping healing and usually doing more damage than half my "dps" on my team and that still isn't enough to push us over, drives me fucking insane

people just diving in and dying immediately without pushing recup once

Like how do they get out of bed in the morning without getting tangled in the sheets??

[mellow pasture]

my climbing strategy, both in league of legends, that pokemon moba, and in here

if i plan on going on a ranked spree

if I lose 3 matches in a row I stop

completely

and take like an hour long break

then I come back

loss streaks destroy your mental

for context, I was plat in league (and quit cuz that game toxic), master rank in pokemon moba, and crystal in ffxiv

[compact panther]

Well I can't lose anything at this point, already did that

This game has no skill-based matchmaking lol just need to luck into good teams

I have quite a few pvp achievs from other games, this system is honestly one of the worst ones. I just want to nab crystal once and be done w/ it so I can say I've done it. Idk why I just collect ranked shit

Probably not healthy mentally to keep doing ranked grinds when it makes me so upset

They need to get rid of this dumb fucking garbage that hits you on the map too

[compact panther]

I have like five thousand fucking issues I notice with these players

No resource management whatsoever, dying instantly in the opener of the game, letting them just push to the end instead of pressing guard on the crystal, letting people dive deep into our backline with no punishment

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

1:48 FUCKING LOSS

how are people so FUCKING BAD

i literally NEVER fucking win a match in 2 minutes, every single victory has to be a drawn out fight to the death in overtime

then it gets fucked away by these matches where they dont have their keyboard plugged in or something

[wheat cargo]

Part of the problem for a lot of people is focusing too much on your teammates mistakes and not just playing the game

Tankless teams can still win

Just focus on what you can do, and don't tunnel onto people unnecessarily

[scarlet tulip]

i dont think roles are the same in pvp as in the main game

white mage seems to be fine as a dps of sorts

given their LB is a pure damage + CC with a self-buff on top

[wheat cargo]

The idea is being able to self sustain

And not to have to rely on comp

Which was why feast queues died

That said a good healer is very noticeable

[compact panther]

I swear to god I legit do better when I forget to press heal on WHM

[sullen mist]

I feel obligated to say here traditional roles are not in play

Doing more damage than a DPS isnt an insane outlier when 80% of your kit is damage oriented and you have 2 crowd controls

Everyone is a dps

[wheat cargo]

Healers aren't really meant to heal 24/7 anyways

You're really only supposed to spot heal an all in on someone

At best

[compact panther]

They desperately need to improve the servers for this though. The amount of times I've tried to shield someone at low health to find out they're actually already dead is way too high

I'm starting to wonder if someone is that low if I shouldn't even bother, but once in a great while I get a clutch shield that lets them live long enough to recup

omg guys

call the press

i won in under 2 min

[wheat cargo]

Server tick and snapshotting do be like that

That's why we can get away with things like slidecasting

[compact panther]

Got diamond

I was nerd raging for literally no reason

I definitely feel like WHM is the hardest job I've played so far. If you feel extremely confident in your abilities WHM is clearly working for me. I am FAST about rotating through targets and being predictive. There are probably easier crystal-worthy jobs.

Both seem to be good. The highest player on my server was #10 playing only paladin

Probably a lot simpler

But I've never played it

Tfw you land a fat 5 min WHM LB and not a single person dies on their team

I immediately know it's a loss when I see it lol

[compact panther]

I think the hardest matches is when its WHM + 4 dps, mostly ranged. You really need people in front of you to play effectively and not get tunneled down.

[compact panther]

just won a match where i was the only non-crystal player

hot damn

white mage actually scales with rank because people get better value out of your healing

51k zankutsukenandfuck whatever

people in crystal still just dont stand on the fucking crystal

wow

lost an overtime we were going to win because everyone walked off, holy shit my brain

apparently i need to face tank and stand on the crystal in overtime to make sure that doesn't happen again

even if my entire team is alive to do it

skill issue confirmed

[wheat cargo]

Implication that people get better at higher ranks lmao

[compact panther]

i was mistaken

[compact panther]

they need to fucking balance the team comps

it is so fucking stupid to lose because a paladin jerks off on the crystal the entire game with no way to kill him

idc if they are double healer or double tank or w/e, but it needs to be the same on both sides

[compact panther]

Play pala

I swear to fucking god I can't beat them on the opposing team

Just sit on the crystal permanently

I dont think people know how stupid it is, I cannot kill them if my life depended on it

[compact panther]

Crystal done

[compact panther]

Took 93 victories, if that's useful info for anyone

[buoyant hatch]

Whenever I play paladin it's like I have a target painted on my back

No need to cover allies if all 5 enemies focus you in the first place

But I play only casual matches. No need to mald in ranked

[compact panther]

Don’t you want that sweet portrait? You can do it 😄

[buoyant hatch]

I can but not worth my sanity for it

[warped lintel]

Played pvp for the first time last night and I am terrible lmao

Only have really tried crystal conflict tho

[queen gyro]

Frontline:

[proven python]

Frontline objective chase

[sacred quail]

Don't feel bad man. It's really hard. The top pvpers are all that's left in most ranks at this point. Most others average joes quit. Normal pvp cycle.

I suck too but I'm still going for it. Give others some joy lol

[compact panther]

I just wrote 5 pages in Word on how to climb in CC. Just waiting on wife to proofread then I'll share.

[wheat cargo]

Tbh 100 ish wins is like the standard average for hitting crystal

Not tilting is the biggest tip

[sacred quail]

If you lose every day gonna tilt sooner or l8r

[wheat cargo]

Someone did the math

[sacred quail]

Focus low hp/low mp, stay alive. Move crystal. Avoid big lbs. In theory I know what to do. Realistically my statistics say otherwise

[wheat cargo]

You don't even need a 50% to climb

[sacred quail]

What about 25%

[wheat cargo]

Can do it with like 45% and still get there in like 400 games

Probably doable but it'll take a lot of games

Because outlier streaks and stuff

[sacred quail]

I literally had a 10 loss streak. That's in verge of purposely losing and I wasn't doing that at all

[wheat cargo]

10 isn't that many of a loss streak it happens

[compact panther]

I had multiple 10+ losing streaks. It doesn't make any difference.

You aren't punished past zero stars, so you effectively are "guaranteed" to climb again at some point.

I just found out there aren't streak bonuses in crystal reeeeeeee

[compact panther]

51k zantutskenfuck god fucking damn it get this shit out of the game

oh my motherfucking god

4 fucking teammates in front of me

none of them stand on the crystal in overtime and we just fucking lose for no reason

why do i have to stand on the crystal as WHM in overtime when I have no MP left

when i have 4 other people who can do that for me and i can pop elixir in the interim

I want to punch my fucking screen holy shit how are these people crystal and don't know to stand on the crystal in OT

New tip: Just fucking stand on the crystal in OT and die because you can't expect your teammates to do it

[warped lintel]

sweet

[warped lintel]

I’m kind of glad I was so bad at the beginning because getting a good game in feels rewarding, went 9/0/12 earlier

Felt like I got a tactical nuke lmao

[compact panther]

Nice, limiting deaths is the most important thing you can do

[warped lintel]

yea way better to play safe, if half the team dies it’s kind of gg I’ve noticed usually

hard to come back

[compact panther]

Eh just depends on whether LBs are still available to turn it around

Worse is when your team just staggers deaths the entire match

So you never get your whole team together

[warped lintel]

yeah that’s been frustrating to deal with never being able to regroup lol

Are you ranked pretty high?

[compact panther]

Reached crystal yesterday

It doesn't feel like it gets any better up here

1-4 in crystal so far though, holy fuck

[compact panther]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/v9hmmq/crystalline_conflict_a_bronze_to_crystal_guide/?

Hopefully this is helpful for someone

@warped lintel @sacred quail

[sacred quail]

Good write. Nice of you to take the time from your experience to crystal. Most of it is spot on but sometimes things are out of your control such as a polymorph and instantly dead. But overall you bring up good points every player should know. And the tilt maybe you're right. I was uo 2 hours past my sleep cause I was raging so hard last night lol

[wheat cargo]

i need to reiterate again that its mathematically possible to win with a lower than 50% winrate though

you just need to play enough games

since this rank system doesn't ever drop you out of a rating division

and the amount gained/lost is always the same barring streaks

[compact panther]

You are totally right. Maybe I didn't convey that well, but I think the gist of the content is hopefully still ok.

[wheat cargo]

i think the rest of it touches on everything else pretty decently

its pretty much everything i watched for in my climb too

[compact panther]

Someone reported me on reddit as needing the crisis hotline o.o

[wheat cargo]

LOL

to be fair

are they wrong? you played pvp

[mellow pasture]

no one's beating my record though

bronze to crystal in 69 victories

the only better number would be 420

[empty slate]

how is it possible that no class does more than 1k dmg with big shield up but a dragoon does 11k? balanced huh

[compact panther]

Because the galaxy brain design says that LBs should go through guard.

AKA skill issue

[pine bear]

why wont they use lb

i swear i see so many teammates sleeping on the lb

[sullen mist]

dragoon LB doesn't pierce shield tho

you got server ticked or something else

wait, 11k? that's like 20% of your health

if you're that low and drg jumps, you can back off while healing then shield, or idk. there is response time.

ninja and sam will OHKO you through shield if parameter is met, reaper breaks your shield, monk breaks your shield, machinist drill ignores your shield

[spiral brook]

Does DNC break shield with their lb?

[sullen mist]

yeah them too

pretty sure at least

[sacred quail]

I'm legit sweat playing been. Stuck between plat 2 and 3 all night. Time to take a break. Jesus christ

[limpid knot]

Hey whats an good setting for PC that can help me lock on better to players

[sacred quail]

Tab 5x and pray u don't double tab the wrong guy

[spiral brook]

If you’re doing CC, you can use the enemy team UI to target the enemy

So that might be good to have in an easily accessible spot

As for frontlines, lmao

Get very good at clicking on names I guess?

[compact panther]

Turn your thoughts per second down. Just keep playing and don’t give a shit about the outcome, just how well you personally played.

[sacred quail]

That's all I do. Been jamming to music helps alot too. Keeps my mind in flow a bit easier

But I still come out sweating. Focus murder, spam heals, cure, guard. Focus murder, heal, Focus, run, return, Focus heal, murder, cure, guard

[sullen mist]

i find you can't force flow state

either come back and see if it clicks

or try to play chill until you get in a rhythm

[real cloak]

https://discord.gg/kM3fwgAg?event=985150453710979124

[compact panther]

So I've been marking my teammates with macros because I think it increases visibility

But recently there's been one asshole teammate removing them all

Am I in the wrong or are they just being a dick?

FUCKING REMOVE 40K LBS

this game mode is so fucking dogshit oh my god

i am so fucking sick of sitting at 90% HP and then getting sniped by some mouthbreather machinist dumbfuck from africa

[wheat cargo]

I think too many markers is unnecessary visual noise

And when a party shares markers it can be problematic

Since the countdown macro also uses it

[compact panther]

I was hoping it would be helpful to see how many teammates are around you since so many of my teammates just ape 1v5 into a team

Maybe i'll just stick the plus on myself and leave it at that

[normal gorge]

It's not the easiest thing but you can anticipate mch lb coming and shield

[queen gyro]

What else are machinists gonna do they’re sitting ducks who can only defend themselves with firepower

[normal gorge]

since they generally have to combo it with something else if they want to guarantee a ko

also marking players that aren't whoever you want to remove is generally kinda frowned upon

[queen gyro]

I wonder though

[normal gorge]

I'm fine if it's like

[queen gyro]

Can I set an enemy MCH as focus target so I know who they’re targeting

[normal gorge]

marker for the ninja since you want to track them

I don't think focus target tells you who they're pointing the stick at tho

[queen gyro]

Dang

[normal gorge]

You might wanna have the mch targetted in that scenario anyway since even if you're not their target you might be able to intervene anyway if you have a buff to hand out

[queen gyro]

Can probably also use marksman spite to set up your ninja

But that takes coordination casual matches can’t have

[normal gorge]

If you see a forked raiju that might be enough, maybe too much idr the potency on it just that I really wish it didn't exist

[tepid pier]

Finally GNB one-tricked my way to crystal. christ

[compact panther]

i fucking hate paladin players

dumbfuck job

literally just stand on the crystal and do nothing but be annoying as fuck and invincible

while your melee teammates run around and let them push the crystal to 50%

[tepid pier]

That's literally paladin's entire job lmao

[compact panther]

"finally" bruh 84 wins is not finally you're on the lower end of the bell curve

[tepid pier]

I just kill the bad guys and touch the funny crystal

[normal gorge]

I straight up wouldn't queue gnb while c9 is up lol, struggle job

[compact panther]

c9?

[wheat cargo]

cloud 9

is hte name of the map

[compact panther]

oh i had no idea lol

So top be a top 100 player is like 3500 points right now, so you basically need to be like +35 wins over losses to get there?

I feel like that is actually challenging

[queen gyro]

Let’s just do this for literally every job for fun

I fucking hate Dragoon

[compact panther]

Why? You don't like insta-dying to something from the sky with a light blue indicator you can't see on the ground?

Another game lost to a dumbfuck pala

Invincible all game, just dumbasses all over the crystal soaking up everything. Holy shit I hate it

I feel like they need to make the team comps equal. Them having a tank when you don't can feel so shitty.

Idc if it's double healer or w/e, i just don't want to lose cuz they had a tank who can sit on the crystal and i didn't

[bitter pilot]

Can I get some tips for a beginner tips for playing Monk in Crystaline Conflict?

[sinful shuttle]

what melee dps would you say works the best in frontlines?

[queen gyro]

DRG can be such a huge tide turner in Frontlines

[sinful shuttle]

yeah but I've seen so many just dive into a team with ult and do nothing

[queen gyro]

able to safely approach big groups and initiate a big teamfight with advantage

its supposed to be followed up

[sinful shuttle]

yeah usually they have no follow up

but it does a lot of damage and they probably seem the best choice for melee dps

[queen gyro]

they cant by themselves, their AoEs are lines and are finnicky not to mention its very unsafe to be alone

but with a team behind

[sinful shuttle]

yeah any follow up is huge

[scarlet tulip]

Was it with the power of tank junction

[tepid pier]

That's the power of tank junction, baby

dps junction is fine though if there's no tanks to suck off

[compact panther]

Every drk game is a loss

Why are crystal players playing this lmfao

Genuinely no idea what they contribute other than losing horribly

[normal gorge]

DRK is pretty gnarly with team support, PLD in particular they are very dangerous with since sacred claim helps them offset their biggest drawback.

[compact panther]

then i fucking lose to the same drk

love it

so much just stupid rng shit to this mode

[normal gorge]

Maybe they had a team that worked better around them that round lol, it's a strong job but team dependent.

[compact panther]

this game is fucking trolling me just instant losses 3 in a row

how tf do you climb in crystal when you get these fucking teams

that just go in and die instantly without pushing 1 recup but are magically crystal players

would legit have to send me a screenshot to prove they have purify on their bars

[normal gorge]

You play a lot and you don't let yourself tilt when it doesn't go well

Even top 100 players have days where they lose like 1000+ points

[compact panther]

I feel like I'm not going to get there because I get trolled so fucking hard by these players

But it's probably just a numbers game

[normal gorge]

It really is, and sometimes those same players do well with other people. Not everyone syncs up perfectly, especially with how limited chat options are.

It's best to just focus on what you can do to help your team win personally, sometimes it's a lost cause but you can't let yourself get stuck in the mindset where you feel like your actions are pointless.

[compact panther]

I can't help it

4 in a row now

Everything I did today just fucking negated in one streak lol

My stats exactly the same as the enemy WHM or better every game

just a total luckfest now w/o winstreaking

Every game like -90something too so they're intentionally giving me the worse team repeatedly :^)

[subtle hornet]

Dragoon for their LB

[tepid pier]

Take a break lol. You're getting way too mad at this way too often

[compact panther]

You'd be pissed off too if you lost the entirety of your points in one sitting

I don't know how to control my teammates instantly dying at the start of every fucking game

Literally every game I play my melee dps dives deep into them and dies instantly

Then these dumb apes just stagger in one death at a time until we lose

[tepid pier]

You're getting way too mad at this way too often

[compact panther]

Lmk how your grind up goes

[tepid pier]

I might get it done without hours of repeated babyrage

[compact panther]

Would love to see it

[sullen mist]

ninjas and dragoons are the best melees in frontlines

ninjas operate as roaming snipers against BH enemies who get too close, get clipped by some BLM/SCH/SMN spam

then the ninja ults them

whoops lost my train of thought

monks work as roamers, great 1v1 potential but that's pretty dependent

dragoons are good for chokepoints

you don't want to be the first one in though

no melee dps in frontlines can survive a dive into a ranged line

what you need is kinda trade potshots until your ranged whittles them down then the goon dives in

[torpid pewter]

just have 8 smns, use bahamut all at once, easy game

[compact panther]

Is Zantuksukenfuck AoE?

[sterile ibex]

yeah

5y around target

[compact panther]

lmfao

[sinful shuttle]

what would be a good nerf for smn sch blm in frontlines?

[sullen mist]

Aoe size reduction

[spiral brook]

Damage falloff past x amount of targets

[queen gyro]

Enemy team manages to push the crystal all the way to our base, then they decide to walk away from it because our NIN casts Doton

Victory

its... magical.

[queen gyro]

game started with a 4v5. sounds legit.

[sullen mist]

I had a magical win like that

We push 80% to their 50%, they hold the line and push it to overtime

Then we lose 3 to a dnc+drg combo, ninja and I kill the dnc+drg duo but the nin is too low after his ult and the rdm kills him

So it's me alive (sch) vs their rdm on crystal, everyone on my team is seconds away from respawning

Their rdm is on crystal and they just had whm respawning and I think warrior too

I have under 20k hp and 3k mp, I turn the corner and start potioning them I get the bright idea, cancel my elixir, run into the line of sight of the enemy, start elixiring

The rdm instantly dashes me and we win

[queen gyro]

Mind games lmao

[sullen mist]

For a moment there I wish we had real chat

And not the limited chat

[sinful shuttle]

Do you ever use Fire on BLM?

[spiral brook]

If you need damage over freezing, yes.

Might be good in frontlines if you can’t focus on specific targets

[sinful shuttle]

freeze just seems too broken

[normal gorge]

99.9% of the time you will use freeze because it's busted, yes. There are niche scenarios where you can opt for fire and get value from it but honestly right now you could probably just remove it from your bar and be fine.

[compact panther]

Tfw you lost so many times with a top 100 player yesterday that they're not on the leaderboard today :S

[sinful shuttle]

what jobs are people playing in the top 100?

[queen gyro]

Today I've been paired thrice with the same SAM who has done 0 self heals and less than 100k damage in CC, I think its time to take a break

[compact panther]

There are some legit trolls I swear

There was this one sam though

Who legit looked at me, spammed "i'm going ahead" in the starter area, then proceeded to dive in. I shielded and pre-casted heals and he fucking nuked people

It was legit the most clear communication through emotes I've ever seen

I could cry just retelling it

How tf are there some people in the top 100 with like 150 victories, that is so baffling

[compact panther]

It's hard to tell but I see a lot more dps than tanks/healers on the standings, despite the fact I usually see a tank and healer every crystal match. I have to wonder if after you get crystal it's better to swap to a dps you can carry with and assume someone will queue tank/healer for you

[compact panther]

Alright I have to facetank as WHM

Because even in crystal melee will legit just walk off the crystal in overtime and lose the game for you

[compact panther]

I went through and counted what the top 100 on my datacenter were logged out as. It doesn't account for literally anything, do with it what you will

[sinful shuttle]

heh well it's something even if it's possibly not entirely accurate

[queen gyro]

playing NIN in Cloud 9 suuucks

[compact panther]

what the fuck is with this dude who keeps leaving my matches

why would you join just to troll??

they need demotions and mmr, this whole system is not correct, this isn't hearthstone

what is his objective? i just won a game because he just sits in spawn over and over

[compact panther]

I feel so stupid. I'm trying to play BLM and I am genuinely fucking terrible. Other BLMs are doing like 30k more damage than me somehow.

And there's like no good resources on how to play it well either. I just get tunneled repeatedly in the backline and feel like I can't play.

[sinful tundra]

The revival pvp discord has channels to help with jobs in pvp

[exotic kayak]

https://discord.gg/QQGrcQhd

[amber escarp]

The previous balance has people hating blms in pvp

[exotic kayak]

They're not quite as oppressive now.

Fire still needs buffs though.

At least to its DoT to make it worth using over ice.

[patent gazelle]

Ice needs nerfs

Fire can be kept at the same level as is

[exotic kayak]

That could work too.

[sinful shuttle]

It's tricky because if you nerf freeze it could be useless. Maybe if they just nerf the overall damage and keep BLM as a CC job it could work

[sterile ibex]

well you could nerf the effectiveness of freeze consecutively

[spiral brook]

Yeah like the first stack could just be a bind

[sterile ibex]

first is a slow for 2sec
second is a bind for 2sec
third is the freeze for 3sec
my balance thoughts for your idea

I was thinking more along the lines of diminishing returns at the simplest

like the blm themselves get a debuff to the next flare that reduces the duration of the freeze by half if they freeze but going away if they use fire flare

[patent gazelle]

Freeze can be nerfed back to 8k levels as it was before

It wasnt useless back then, and was actually potent on doing what it needed to do

[sterile ibex]

8k levels..?

[patent gazelle]

Previously it dealt 8k damage per freeze

It now hits for 12k

[sterile ibex]

oh you mean the actual ability
yeah those buffs were random 💀

[patent gazelle]

Prebuffs blm was fine except for having a really weak fire side.

[sullen mist]

closest match i ever saw in frontlines

we were 3rd

with 1525

2nd place had 1528

1st place had 1529

[real cloak]

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[pearl sorrel]

Not even close

[patent pine]

Reaper is too powerful

[tulip oracle]

ok so what ranged job is the best in cristaline conflict?

also how do I play bard in conflict?

[wheat cargo]

Silence people who jump in on your team and use stuff off cd pretty much

Lb when there's like 3 people around you

Use empyreal at full stacks whenever you can

Apex and blast for the song/for burst

[tulip oracle]

hmm I see, then what is the best ranged job for conflict???

[wheat cargo]

They're all OK in their own ways

[tulip oracle]

oh, I see

[wheat cargo]

Dnc lb has a lot of objective control value

Brd is just free buffs all the time

Mch has nasty kill confirm

[tulip oracle]

I have to turn off battle effects off for pvp

[wheat cargo]

I think there's value in having some on

[tulip oracle]

……it’s really hard for me to react fast in the chaos and all

[wheat cargo]

Not on frontlines

But in cc you want to see what some people are doing

Limited turns off enemy lb effects for example

And knowing where some stuff is matter

[tulip oracle]

aha, unfortunatly I bearly have time to react and having all the skills going off is kinda even more distracting, and it will take tome@for me to get that reaction time to realize of what skills they use and eeact at the same time Xxdd

what do I get if I join an ranked match? besides getting my rank up?

[wheat cargo]

End of the ranked season you get rewards based on your highest rank

Which includes a rank border and some trophy crystals

[tulip oracle]

witch way is faster for farming wolf marks?

[patent pine]

Frontline daily 1x then CC

[restive grail]

Yup

You can also trade in 1k crystals for 4k wolf marks.

[patent pine]

Unless you’re rushing GARO though

Not worth

Source: me

Shouldnt have rushed GARO

[spiral brook]

😂

[fresh terrace]

anybody got any tips how to pop Guard while getting CC'd?

I run into the problem where mashing the button just causes me to Guard then unGuard

is there a better way to hit that precise timing window?

[spiral brook]

I just pray

[vast crag]

intuition

it's clearly not a panic button

but once you play more, the exp will tell you to do it cause enemies about to one shot you

[patent gazelle]

Guard before you get cced

Honestly when youre cced you want to purify

Then if your opponents are smart theyll wait out your purify

At the very end of your purify buff be sure to guard cause theyll be hitting you with cc

[patent pine]

Dont guard at all, be the one who forces enemy to guard

You are the storm that is approaching

[tulip oracle]

ughhhhhh I bealry win 1 match out of 10

like wtf is this bad luck???

ok so what is the most broken job in pvp?

[wheat cargo]

You not winning isn't necessarily bad luck

There's things you could probably do better

[tulip oracle]

I’m starting to like pvp >.>

[wheat cargo]

And playing the most broken job won't necessarily win you more games

[tulip oracle]

tho I doubt all that loses are my fault tho >.>

[wheat cargo]

Even if you're not at fault it's unlikely you played completely flawlessly

There's probably something you can improve

[tulip oracle]

yeah true…..also F my targeting , on controller is crap

@wheat cargo is DRG a good job?

while I might not play the broken job I won’t play the job that is just not up there…..don’t know how good the balance is.

[wheat cargo]

All of the jobs are fine

They all are playable in pvp

There are clearly better ones but it's not a huge deal as you're learning

[exotic kayak]

ABUSE ELIXIRS.

If you've burnt through your MP, run behind cover and use it.

You become many times harder to kill when you can use Recuperate.

[sullen mist]

The biggest change from pve to pvp is everyone is responsible for their own health

You have two healers in your party? Cool. Don't expect them to clutch heal your ass at 10%

That's your job with recuperate and elixirs

[subtle hornet]

Healers heal? I thought they just spread the nymian plague

[patent gazelle]

Reminder while elixirs are great, youre also putting yourself out of the fight for a good 6-10 seconds

[vast crag]

I mean.. if you die, you'll out of fight longer..

so better just spend that good 6 secs or more to hide and recharge elixir

especially if you about to use WAR's LB for example

you'll be vulnerable and can't use guard

just make sure you have full elixir before using it

[patent gazelle]

Its mostly a comment on when to elixir correctly

Sometimes you can still stay in the fight with like 4k mp and full hp for example

[exotic kayak]

Elixiring between team fights can give you a major advantage though.

Frontline maps are also big enough that it's possible to elixir in plain sight and not get punished for it.

[amber escarp]

would anyone want more duel areas around the world?

[sinful tundra]

I mean imo it should be allowed everywhere in the open world (not inside of cities)

[hushed hinge]

Does anybody know that you will be able to get the virtu sets even after the current Crystaline Conflict season ends?

For example: Virtu Duelist Tabard

Not sure if this is the appropriate channel to say this also

[wheat cargo]

Those come from the vendor and there hasn't been any indication that it won't be permanent

[hushed hinge]

Ah so it’s still pending, which is good because I might use those to test glamour

Anyways gonna take this to #glamour-discussion

[sullen mist]

I would love that, but the coding would definitely be spaghetti

Remember, pvp already occurs in a totally instanced area that switches you to a different set of hotbars

[lyric harness]

i cant find an active discord doe

[sinful tundra]

Revival

https://discord.gg/pvprevival

[upper storm]

man frontline is so broken

WHM tops the charts every time

[sage tundra]

man why are people so dumb in pvp

I swear my team NEVER focuses a black mage or summoner

and they wonder why we are getting burst so hard

[amber escarp]

I've been sucked into crystalline conflict, lots of fun

[subtle hornet]

Please ignore the summoner

We're B tier CC classes, it's not like we top the damage charts, right?

[sinful tundra]

[subtle hornet]

Hey, playing summoner with a team that doesn't know you is fun

When trying to push to plat recently, one match I was top in damage, and didn't take enough damage to even need to use a single heal

[sinful tundra]

we love to see it

[sinful shuttle]

What will happen when smn sch and whm gets nerfed in frontlines?

[subtle hornet]

I cri

[sinful shuttle]

I think we could see a lot of DRG if that happens

[sullen mist]

WHM topping the charts?

I must've not been there

A 0-1-47 statline with 4.5m dmg dealt (2nd highest dmg was 3.3m)

We hit 1600 and the other teams combined for like 850 lmao. Just one of those times everything clicks

[subtle hornet]

Stop spreading the nymian plague

[sullen mist]

No

Sharing is caring

[subtle hornet]

Let me share my bahamut then

[sullen mist]

How to defeat bahamut

Simply walk away

[sage tundra]

man I wish i could play against these players who are allergic to even hitting a black mage once whenever I play it

[sinful shuttle]

not my games, anyone that's sees that glowing purple immediately targets it

[subtle hornet]

As a summoner main, I focus my fellow summoners

[amber escarp]

Yo, can I get some advice as a new player and dragoon main what can I do to be better at pvp?

[warm shadow]

Frontline, had a team cap every node they fought for despite both teams fighting heavily on it. How is that possible and is there a way to prevent it?

[sullen mist]

nope

onsal hakir?

paladins can cheese it every time

frontlines just isn't balanced

smn, sch, whm are god tier

[spiral brook]

Yeah Paladin duo is downright busted for Seal Rock/Onsal

[patent pine]

Warrior can still yank them off

Reaper lb will force them out

Sadly Mch shotgun doesnt

[manic pilot]

Friendly reminder Preach hosts a Crystalline Conflict tournament saturday.
https://twitter.com/PreachGaming/status/1538776341230895107

Mike (@PreachGaming)

WAR IS COMING. This Saturday people.

Top prizes to win and blood to shed.

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[digital raft]

I’m convinced that there’s nothing funnier then a MCH scatter shotting the enemy off the point for the W

[sacred quail]

That's half the reason I swapped to mch main 😂

[sinful shuttle]

I'd play MCH but can't stand the range on bio blaster

[exotic kayak]

My entire team died to the SAM limit break.

TWICE.

In two different matches.

[manic pilot]

https://twitter.com/PreachGaming/status/1540653452791095297

Mike (@PreachGaming)

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Fightin' soon™

[exotic kayak]

This makes me mad.

Battle High V and everything.

Still lost.

[fervent flicker]

Can someone explain to me how it is possible that I manage to distract 2-3 players in CC for well over 10, sometimes 20 seconds, far off the objective, and my team doesnt even manage a single kill, let alone make them use their mana? It keeps happening. I am having an aneurysm trying to understand it.

[sullen mist]

warrior life

i never figured it out either

other warrior initiates, so i initiate on their backline

after engaging 3 people, successfully dumping my whole kit, purifying their stun, healing back to full i put on my shield to back out and find out that my team has somehow traded 1 kill for 1 kill in a 4v2 and it's just like ????

[queen gyro]

I feel like the NIN version of that is successfully murdering your key target, looking around, and realizing you’re the only one left alive.

[glossy cape]

But the enemies are all under 50% and out of mana so it's time for the penta

[queen gyro]

I hate being the only one pushing as NIN, I would really like to go back to roaming in their backline fishing for gank opportunities, that’s kind of my job.

[exotic kayak]

You can use a macro to mark a character for death, but it's up to your team to act on it.

This is the one I use that my FC mate gave me:

/micon "Attacking Target" quickchat
/mk attack1 <t>
/quickchat "attacking target" <t>

[sinful shuttle]

Is there an order of prio targets in CC?

[queen gyro]

Can’t use a template for it

The situation always changes

[exotic kayak]

Yeah.

But in general, if someone ate a lot of damage and is low on MP, they become a priority target.

A 5v4 is a significant swing in tempo and can quickly snowball.

[queen gyro]

MCH and NIN LBs tend to be the most dangerous, the rest you can kind of play around

[exotic kayak]

Anyone with a dangerous LB ready too.

DRG, SUM, SGE e.t.c.

Overextended tanks and melees tend to drop pretty quickly.

[queen gyro]

The duality of MCH seems to be being a sitting duck that needs teammates to peel, and having a button whose sole purpose is deleting someone from the fight, no questions asked

[patent gazelle]

Mnk honestly is the most dangerous LB to me next to Nins

[subtle hornet]

Hey, I love people who follow the so called pvp tier list as a target priority

Sure just focus on my whm, ignore the summoner happily wrecking house

[sinful tundra]

Monk lb is rly scary

I see rising Phoenix and and enlightenment and I’m OUTTTTTT

[sinful shuttle]

Every job has something scary I guess

[exotic kayak]

SAM punishes careless teams hard.

That LB can just wipe an entire team all at once.

[nimble eagle]

10 minute ranked game

sobbing

[wise portal]

Finally…. FINALLY got to silver in CC ranked 🥲

And immediately lost 2 in a row

[exotic kayak]

I feel you. Keep at it, Camel!

I just got out of silver so you can too!

[exotic kayak]

Aw, yeah! Just hit Platinum!

Climbed my way from Silver today playing Bard!

[wise portal]

Ayyy I’ve been maining bard too haha

[sudden quest]

If that’s the case. Switch tactics. Learn to play around your team. Not you expect them to play around you.

Kinda playing the cards you were dealt scenario

[sudden quest]

Yes. I’ve seen GNBs wreck parties lol

[fervent flicker]

The same should apply to my four teammates Granted, they don’t even need to adapt at all. They need to do what they’re trying to do anyway, which is to kill people. Which they should be able to do with a numerical advantage.
But I get what you mean.

[sudden quest]

Yes. It’s unfortunate. Really the only thing we can do is focus on the things we can control. Disregarding those things we can’t.

I’ve def been there with you though. Doing a tactic that others don’t seem to pick up on. Then somehow looking like a tool lol 😂 so I get the frustration

“Why did you 1v3 Draug?!” Welli thought 4v2 would pay off big with their team being low mana and ours topped off. Buuuut”
Haha 😂 I’ve done it before

[fervent flicker]

haha exactly

[sullen mist]

What's the general consensus on team value of a war vs sch. I ran into a war 3 times in a row who seemed to make it their life goal to glue themselves to my ass

As I played war before switching, I know their kill potential is actually pretty low

So I moved close enough to support the team with exped biolysis but also stayed far enough away that the war wouldn't be able to hit multiple targets with chaotic cyclone/primal rend if targeting me

Only one time of those 3 did my team actually throw any actual damage at the war to peel them off

I feel like my positioning nullified the warrior to a large deal, so I was a bit miffed that I couldn't get a little help considering I was still contributing to the fight with some big DoTs while keeping the warrior from getting any real value

[fervent flicker]

Why focus on a tank that is effectively neutralized when you can nuke the DPS instead? Like, you had him neutered and on a leash, he was no real danger. You'd want to keep it that way instead of encouraging him to switch targets and potentially be more of a threat.

[sullen mist]

Sure but at the end of the day I only have so many adlos and recuperations

I'm literally range for a good 25 seconds getting smacked while still doing my team job damage wise

Give me some fucking breathing room I already helped secure 2 kills its 5v3

[queen gyro]

Take one for the team, they will avenge you

[sullen mist]

The one match where I got just a little help was a total stomp

I went like 5-0-12

The other two, one they somehow they lost a 4v4 with me hitting multiple reci bio while their war was doing nothing but hitting me

The other they ran ahead chasing kills leaving me to push crystal while 1v1ing the war, but we won in the end by a decent margin

[stone harness]

how do people deal with the garbage targeting system when it comes to pvp?

[fervent flicker]

Target via menu
Tab-targetting has sadly always been garbage (there’s tricks but they’re not worth it in pvp)

[stone harness]

[orchid iron]

i just click on the player models

[sterile ibex]

i controller so i just tab target

[queen gyro]

You could do mouseover macros like real esports

But you open it up to new kinds of jank

[sterile ibex]

like macros

[queen gyro]

Like god forbid you mouseover someone you don’t see behind you

[amber escarp]

The #1 sign is that you are on a scuffed team is that they melt in five seconds and can’t survive for shit and you are always left the last one standing and retreating

For gods sake please use your heals and defensives please

[rocky shale]

That’s what I was thinking too. Like, how the hell PLD died so quick without retaliation by desperately using self heal and guard

I saw their MP is 10k, then died over and over, leaving MP unused

Sure, they’re there for the rewards. However, if they’re join rankings and still thinking about “casual” rewards, that’s fine. But, it won’t satisfy everyone if one of the team resulted at loss.

[obsidian sage]

I queue up frontline just for the xp, pvp is not my thing and thats ok

[torpid pewter]

i like the shiny glams and if i have to murder for them i will

[queen gyro]

Just be a DRG, your team will just expect you to dive in, do a lot of damage, and die, since that’s the job description

[torpid pewter]

be nin, it's like black mage except it didn't need to get overpowered buffs to be good

also instant kills below 50% because that's always fair and balanced

the sad part is i'm actually really good at pvp nin but bad at pve nin

[autumn sleet]

drg 30-> 71 with 0 pve on it

[torpid pewter]

who needs potd when you have pvp

[rocky shale]

Good thing Frontline isn’t part of the Ranking Department, I was there for exp and rewards too.

However, the more I get into frontlines, I was thrilled myself to get better and have a little competition in me.

I was started constantly into frontlines and earn more wolf marks for having fun in pvp.

[barren owl]

No new pvp gear?

[sacred quail]

Reset for the rankings. No new set yet

[topaz hinge]

Anyone know offhand about how long it'd take to get to end of rewards ladder for CC? and specifically if its possible before season 2 on Tuesday

[unreal jewel]

if you mean get to like level 25 for the armor

then possible if you start playing now and don't stop

[topaz hinge]

Hm, might try for that. Should at least easily be able to get the sunglasses

Thanks

[unreal jewel]

for context i have 166 games in ranked cc and im lvl 28

idk if ranked vs unranked affects xp

i dont think so

but it should be possible

[wheat cargo]

Ranked vs normal has no difference in exp turnout

But winning vs losing does

[unreal jewel]

yea its like 900 for a win 700 for a loss right

[sullen mist]

How much for fl

I kinda want one of those sets for glam but I'm like 8k seals off

I could just wait and daily

[unreal jewel]

No idea, I just know cc is more efficient than fl

sry

[sullen mist]

Yeah but cc makes me mad

Frontlines is too stupid to be mad about

[amber escarp]

Man with these teams I’m getting I might have to give up on going from diamond to crystal before the reset

Extremely rage inducing knowing there’s a limit and then I lose that frame forever

[torpid pewter]

honestly FL just makes me want 8v8 smaller scale version of it, tired of doing one thing and instantly disintegrating for it

[wheat cargo]

It used to have it

[torpid pewter]

you literally can't play melee in FL and live more than half a second after getting in range... you know, the thing you need to do

and if you do, that's because the enemy team isn't doing anything right

[autumn sleet]

Play jp on borderlands day. Apparently they have a 3 way split meta

[restive grail]

I wait for Rival Wings coming back in August

Then I can get my third Garo mount

[sullen mist]

Frontlines is truly hilarious

My team split 50/50 out the gate

And lost both fights

So now we are looking at a deficit of 0/250/250

"Who do we not wanna win?"

"Flames"

And then we spent the rest of the game trapping flames to a final score of 100/300/800

With that amount of coordination we probably had a good shot of winning

Hell 3 of the top 5 dmg in the entire frontlines was from our team

[autumn sleet]

You can come back 0 600 games

Keep playing to win

[sullen mist]

I wanted to, but like 5 of us can't exactly threaten the entirety of mael

[autumn sleet]

5 is more then enough to carry

[sullen mist]

Everyone else just went ahead with the "fuck flames" strategy

[autumn sleet]

Unless youre all dnc or something

[sullen mist]

5 people is not gonna sieze a point from 15 people lol

[autumn sleet]

Just kill them

[sullen mist]

Wow why didn't I think of that, as the top dps in the entire match I should just have won the 2v10s

[autumn sleet]

Top dmg doesn't mean much in fl depending on your class.
Were you coordinating your lbs?
Instead of going 5 v 48 you guys should have went with the murder ball and helped everyone get more bh. Then just make calls to focus other team

[sullen mist]

I ended up in the murder ball because 80% of the alliance committed to it

[autumn sleet]

You gotta make the calls then

[sullen mist]

The problem is the majority of the team settled for that strategy after someone proposed it

[autumn sleet]

Make sure you set up call macros with se in it

[sullen mist]

We did. One of the people who was trying to fight mael was pinging with sound

On which points to contest

[autumn sleet]

If the calls had the flag markers that doesn't work too well

[sullen mist]

Its not rocket science, the problem is that 75% of the alliance gave up immediately.

I'm not even mad about it since I play Frontline to watch dumb shit happen

[autumn sleet]

Cardinal directions
Watch flank
Kill this team
Are the most complicated instructions people can handle

[sullen mist]

Even then its rare to see the team just decide to roll over and play spoiler after 90 seconds

[sinful shuttle]

Did they talk about when the next time they will do some pvp changes ?

[wheat cargo]

in the live letter? nope

but expect to see some balance changes in 6.2

and rival wings is returning

[torpid pewter]

i know they said they were working on frontline-specific changes as well which i hope means an end to the reign of aoe ranged spam tyranny

because it is seriously oppressive trying to do anything as an actual melee (i.e. not nin being a ranged caster or drg just jumping in once and dying)

you do like one thing and the entire enemy team will just instantly target you and kill you

it's not even worth trying to play one

[exotic kayak]

I've seen DRGs go 35/2 with more damage than the SMNs so...

[echo isle]

same

[topaz hinge]

Right on starting my first game of CC is a bad time to figure out that I still had my hotbar filled with all the actions from before the rework

At least it was still a casual match, but feels bad to drag down team while scrambling to get things onto hotbar

[torpid pewter]

the problem isn't just one smn, it's when the enemy stacks like 5-6 of them and have them all megaflare at the same time because at that point it becomes almost unreactable due to how delayed the hit is compared to the attack itself being instant

[exotic kayak]

Yeah, but you said melee isn't even worth playing.

When it is.

PLD is downright broken on Onsal Hakair.

[torpid pewter]

i'm saying it's too much of a struggle to play compared to "press funny dragon button and hit pretty much their entire team for massive damage"

[exotic kayak]

Summoner has no disengage. If they're caught out and their Radiant Aegis can't save them, they're dead.

Is it irritating? Yes. But not unbeatable.

[torpid pewter]

yeah, but if a smn is going out that far to megaflare without anyone backing them up that's their own fault

the problem is when they actually coordinate and get multiple people to do it all at once

because then you can end up suddenly dropping dead from 5-6 megaflares in a row, with no way of being able to stop it once it happens

which is made worse by the battle high mechanic potentially giving them even more damage on top of that

oh yeah, battle high, that's another thing that irritates me, because some jobs just go completely insane if they get it high enough, like mch being able to more or less instantly kill any non-tank with their lb if they get it high enough

it's a "win more" snowballing mechanic in a mode that really doesn't need it

[exotic kayak]

It's to encourage people pressing the attack and remaining active rather than sitting on control points.

[sullen mist]

A coordinated team is going to win a lot of Frontline matches regardless of summoners

Seen a prob pre-made of 2 whm 2 drg from the same fc before

Just as devastating as 4 bahamut

[amber escarp]

The Dragoons that do that are most often capitalizing on teammates

I should know, because I'm guilty of doing that

[viral moat]

I have question

What's considered "good" for CC ranked?

I played DNC and went from like no rank to silver 1 in 2 hours with no loss

[sterile ibex]

imo everything but sam and gnb are great rn
gnb is weird and sam just doesn't have a niche that isn't filled better by the other melees

although being a good player heavily outweighs a good class

[sullen mist]

Sam, like warrior is good against bad players and bad against good ones

I mean you can say that about all classes but getting the big moneyshot Sam OHKO requires your opponents to hit you while your shield is up

Similarly for WAR to be able to get big team damage outside their LB requires the opposing team to position poorly for primal rend and bloodwhetting/chaotic

Dancer ain't great either, imo

[amber escarp]

Dancer's dps is a little low, but absolutely annoying with the ult

GNB is a bulkier DPS

And there are melee dps whom are bulkier

[exotic kayak]

GNB can 100-0 people faster than MNK.

[amber escarp]

Yeah. His damage output can be scary

Very little utility though

[viral moat]

Well but like. DNC has low DPS for a reason

It's called Closed Position

Kinda reflects the PvE side as well

[sterile ibex]

ehhhhhhh
mnk is not only tankier than gnb, but also has more cc
gnb is only really decent with nebula since it's just so good
and gnb burst just takes too long
still more damage than sam burst and same amount of time though

[exotic kayak]

I got 100-0'd in 2 GCDs by a gunbreaker while playing Bard..

[sterile ibex]

that wasnt just gnb then

2 gcds assuming savage > wicked with a rough divide to dash in and blasting zone (obv under dps junction)

and also if it isnt 1 gcd you can react to it since gnb has absolutely no instant cc

[torpid pewter]

yeah gnb is still... not great compared to the other tanks, the lack of cc hurts it a lot more than you'd expect

[sullen mist]

If anyone was wondering how mass sch works vs mass summoners

My Frontline squad today had 11 scholars

One of the other factions had 10 summoners

We won 1600-400-300

[torpid pewter]

b i o l y t i c

[sullen mist]

One of the farthest big ices spawned

And 6 of us scholars made the commando run

To drop down on the ledge behind it

And we instantly melted 80% of maelstrom

[torpid pewter]

whenever i see a scholar running at me i immediately make every effort to put them in a bad spot because i know what they're about to do

[sullen mist]

One moment they were there

Next moment they weren't

If you see a sch running at you just move away from the team

Schs are horrible at 1v1

Dumpster tier single target damage

[subtle hornet]

If you see 4 scholars running towards you? Say your prayers

[sullen mist]

No cc, no movement skills

If they blow their spread biolysis on you that's a good window for a teammate to cc them

[torpid pewter]

well, sch and smn are probably both getting nerfed when they start making frontline-specific balance changes anyway, so

[sullen mist]

Probably

But there's a lot of weird shit in frontlines

I've seen a multi gnb premade

They dive a line of ranged in a chokepoint

Then everything dies

I'm not even really sure what happens there

[torpid pewter]

it seems like stacking a single job in general is problematic so they'll probably end up putting in job limits as well

[subtle hornet]

Gunblade LB scary

[sullen mist]

Yeah its a lot of dmg in a hurry

Still crazy how fast it comes out

Like 1 gcd to wipe an entire line of casters

With 3 gnbs ofc

[torpid pewter]

oof

[sullen mist]

I've also seen a scarily coordinated group of machinist and ninja

In the beginning they just snipe whoever and the ninja gets free kills

But I saw them near the end of the match eliminate 3 bh5 summoner/whm

In the span of like 10 seconds

I'd see a caster on my team get a snipe targeter on them, instantly get stunned by air anchor and even if they purified the ninja was on them

[spiral brook]

2/3 MCH wandering around timing their snipes and drills together

[torpid pewter]

which is why i also make it a point to try and help people who are clearly being targeted by more than one person unless it happens to be like, their entire team at once

[amber escarp]

Basically everything in groups or coordinated is deadly as all hell

[west bridge]

no obviously premades is what's problematic and what square should remove next. Oh here's a 5 second buff to polymorph and it gives 30% extra damage on top of removing natural DR

[sterile ibex]

removing premades would be awful
since that means that you wouldnt have any pvp mode to do with friends outside of customs which is
although yeah job stacking could probably be punished with like
stacking damage down per job copy that you have up to 50% with like 6
and not taking effect with 2

[west bridge]

I think punishing people for playing what they want to play is bad

cause then it just forces people to play bad classes in frontline since the quickest guns will just swap to the better classes

imagine how unfun it is to be forced to play dnc in frontlines once all the other pairs are taken

[torpid pewter]

yes, that's bad, but what's also bad is allowing the current frontline status quo to continue as-is, it's unhealthy for the mode for it to be like this

[spiral brook]

Oh wow they basically DID do my suggestion for Umbral Freeze

[flint plaza]

BLM went from S+ tier to S tier

really happy with the overall pvp changes

[fallow notch]

Why they nerf pld shelton though?

Is it that op?

[spiral brook]

PLD feels like a brick wall 90% of the time they’re alive.

I basically only see the stupid ones that dive into a 5v1 die.

And even then it doesn’t happen fast

[torpid pewter]

wait, eventide had 1 base potency?

is that a typo or did it literally have the potential of doing 1 damage

also i don't really think the pld nerf will mean much aside from misplays being a bit easier to punish, and only a bit given how much healing pld can do

...wait wait wait
"An issue when participating in Frontline campaigns wherein players under the effect of the white mage action Miracle of Nature were no longer affected by PvP damage modifiers."
does that mean that whm was literally getting rid of people's damage resist with miracle of nature

[sly mesa]

I thought the season would end at the end of the patch 😭 not the start, RIP season rewards

[spiral brook]

Should’ve been keeping up on the news. 💀

[sly mesa]

sigh, still happy with the rewards im gonna get, just could have done better i think 👍

[spiral brook]

#GoldPride

AKA I didn’t get lucky enough to get into Platinum

[subtle hornet]

I got into platinum, but I'm back to silver 1 next season

at least summoners got buffed

[sly mesa]

i was hoping to hear about duo queue/premades in patch notes, at least for casual crystalline conflicts, such a fun mode would be so much better with friends

[visual marten]

And so the season ends with me in Bronze since I saw there was an achievement for finishing in Bronze. Although I just noticed there's achievements for every tier not just Bronze and Crystal. Now then, time to actually try and reach Crystal on MCH. Found the most success on it so far. Great at taking out the annoying casters in the back.

Melees other than Dragoon might actually be able to reasonably compete in Frontline now after the changes.

[torpid pewter]

i'm personally more curious how whm got not one, but two bugged abilities from the changes, first it was the healing being infinite and then their polymorph causing frontline damage resists to get removed

[sterile ibex]

☠️

good change

[glad ravine]

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We are going to be on the Primal Data Center at the Behemoth's Wolves Den Pier.

I am looking forward to seeing everyone who joins us on that day as we open up the first week of 6.18 with one of the largest community events we can do for Frontlines!!
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[amber escarp]

Man did AST really need a nerf?

RIP to 16,000 potency burst, that move got me into crystal lol

[amber escarp]

Oh the shield got nerfed not the potency

Nice

[visual marten]

The big nerf is how Gravity is now single target CC instead of aoe.

[normal gorge]

Spire is dumb enough on its own that you still want an ast on your team

[exotic kayak]

I got to the top of Plat 1 three or four times and deranked every single time. So I feel your pain.

Partially my fault for maining Bard, but still...

I can't carry games where my entire team is constantly dead.

[west bridge]

isn't that 100% intentional

[amber escarp]

I’m a little confused about people’s comments on Reddit about BLM fire is useless compared to ice. Superflare with AF3 does more than double damage what you get with UI3.

[spiral brook]

It takes time to do that damage

And 3 seconds of stun disrupts their burst and lets you easily have your team burst them

[sterile ibex]

even in 1v1
the stun you get was much more valuable than the damage

since you could do night > freeze-flare > pot and just win if their purify wasnt up

but that isnt a thing anymore because of the nerf to the stun duration

[patent gazelle]

it was useless.

i think the balance between fire and ice is slightly now better, but not too sure yet.

[amber escarp]

I’m referring to how it has been since the major BLM nerf. Damage is damage and if the enemy team is low on MP that amount of damage can be devastating to their ability to survive or if they are already being CC’d

[patent gazelle]

12k damage over 12 seconds isnt actually that impactful

but we'll see

[amber escarp]

Remember it comes after 9k from the superflare. I tend to freeze them so I can combo into burst if possible but either way that damage has to be healed through and all of it is AOE too so it’s multiplicative. Draining an entire team’s MP during your LB can really come in handy

[exotic kayak]

I don't feel like 1k damage per second is as much of a threat as SCH's 4.5k damage per second DoT.

The freeze nerf is super warranted though, since BLMs could lock down entire teams way too easily during heated fights over the crystal.

[amber escarp]

You still have to account for the 9k starting of the DOT though just remember.

[sterile ibex]

the freeze also does 9k

[spiral brook]

^

The damage from superflare itself is based on the number of stacks on the enemy, the type of stack doesn’t matter.

[sterile ibex]

yeah, type of stack just means side effect, and with this update the amount of stacks only majorly effects ice

[sinful shuttle]

tanks are gonna slap in pvp now right?

[patent gazelle]

yep superflare with freeze stacks also do 9k on hit

so you were really only comparing 12k damage over 12 seconds over 3 seconds hard cc

a lot of top blms rarely touched fire spells for this reason

even keeping the ice stacks on people was enough pressure that scared them from using purify incorrectly.

[young adder]

hi, I like watching my character getting used as a striking dummy in the Wolves Den Arena, let me know if someone wants to try the new adjustments on her

[spiral brook]

[sacred quail]

Yes

[inner stump]

I love the frontline changes already. Only played one round in roulette, but as WAR now I actually feel like a tank. Can charge into groups, disrupt high priority targets and get out alive if I dont get too greedy

[spiral brook]

Was the change that big? I thought it was only a 1k potency buff to Onslaught and Orogeny

[inner stump]

Its about the changes to the roles

[spiral brook]

oh yeah the role damage mitigation

and lb generation

[inner stump]

And the dmg nerfs to SMN and SCH

[spiral brook]

Time to snipe people with MCH i guess

;-;

[inner stump]

I got comboed by a MNK while being in a group of 10+ enemies multiple times and still made it out alive. Granted I might have gotten some heals, but before this patch that situation was guaranteed death

[torpid pewter]

good to see they are definitely taking steps in the right direction with the balance in frontline, maybe now i can do one thing without instantly disintegrating...

[inner stump]

You can, though you still have to be kind of smart about it. Should have cooldowns up and heals up before you charge into a group. Need quick reflexes on the guard once you notice they try to focus you

[spiral brook]

MNK combo is a deep hatred for me

😡

[torpid pewter]

well, better than before where whm could just casually delete your defense buffs and have everyone else kill you in a quarter's quarter of a second at least

[amber escarp]

If DOTs were so useless in pvp then red mage’s melee combo wouldn’t be so great. I don’t see a good reason for why 100%+ more potency is so useless besides “DOT lol”. Especially since people are saving their purify for it. Not saying that fire is better than ice, just that there are situations where more damage wins out

[timber dock]

big difference is that rdm applies 3 dots very quickly

and the damage is/was obnoxious when you had their buffs active

and you'd simply get chunked even if you hit guard

and then you'd have a verflare waiting after you dropped guard

the deep freeze incident blm was obnoxiously strong cause you could burn someone's defensive utility at will, if not confirm a kill instantly + dealing decent damage, and generally being able to disrupt coordinated bursts

im not a blm player so there were prob use cases for fire, but they weren't extensive when ice spells were so disgusting

[patent gazelle]

Rdms dot is 18k in total in damage that happens over 9 seconds

Almost double blms and also can be buffed by frazzle and corps de corps

You can get over 22k damage in over 9 seconds of dot lmao

Its no comparison at all

Also see how nin and sch can apply their dot

Both of them only waste one gcd cast to use their aoe dots

[amber escarp]

I wasn’t saying RDM didn’t have the better DOT, although that’s not a fair comparison since RDM’s dot is on a longer cooldown and BLM’s DOT can very easily be applied to multiple opponents during your very frequent LBs

Once again not saying that fire is better than ice as well, just being misinterpreted a little I think. It’s still a fact that fire superflare does more than double damage

[sterile ibex]

well it's the fact that you're saying that if dots are so bad why is rdm melee combo not bad when it does like 18k dot tick

and people arent saving purify for superflare
they're saving it for any stun for the most part

[amber escarp]

That was a response to the general consensus I was getting earlier “12k damage? Yeah but it’s a DOT”. Which is not far below RDM’s busted DOT

Also someone said earlier that deep freeze is so good that people are not gonna purify until it activates if they get ice stacks. So if you have an idea that the team is holding purifies or whatever players your targeting have purify maybe that extra damage is worth it to drain their MP

[sterile ibex]

rdm dot is 18k on top of it being buffed by 10% from corps and 10% on top of that from frazzle
and also the initial hits themselves doing pretty good damage

[amber escarp]

Yeah once again im not saying that it’s better than RDM dot

[sterile ibex]

you're saying it's close to it, which with all that rdm has just isnt the case, especially with hard cc being better than dot

[jovial maple]

i gonna call it, this frontline change is worst one yet after 4.0 change

[sterile ibex]

it's the simple fact that you just have a better option with blm
and using their purifies means that you can just cc them again

[amber escarp]

Im not gonna play semantics, that was just comparing the hard numbers in a vacuum

[amber escarp]

What are melees finally usable?

[jovial maple]

become too tanky

[sterile ibex]

even with the change i dont see any reason to fire unless you're specifically trying to kill a war in lb

[jovial maple]

lets say mch snipe lb only deal 15600 dmg

summoner bahamut deathflare is only like 6k

[sterile ibex]

atleast it isnt all smns

[jovial maple]

it become all sam instead

[amber escarp]

It’s very good when your team is focusing down a tank and CCs are already going off

[sterile ibex]

sam is a lot more fun to deal with than smn

[jovial maple]

apparently sam lb can still 1 shot ppl

[jovial maple]

gonna say not in frontline lol

[sterile ibex]

then you could just add to that cc

[sterile ibex]

well not anymore

[jovial maple]

before patch if you see sam int into your alliance you can assume that sam have lb

[sterile ibex]

drg is probably better anyway since you horrid roar and just cant die

[jovial maple]

so just dont hit only that 1 sam

but now there are bunch of sam

[amber escarp]

If they are waiting for their team to come back fire can kill them faster

[jovial maple]

you cant keep track all of them anymore

[sterile ibex]

oh wait yeah
you cant see lb in frontline ☠️

[jovial maple]

and drg problem is just dont have enough dmg

[sterile ibex]

if you have even 1 teammate the cc is more impactful

[jovial maple]

while sam lb with chiten debuff can still oneshot ppl

[sterile ibex]

the dot just isnt potent enough to warrant a use for it
12k over 12sec is just too long

[jovial maple]

at this point range is almost useless since become glass cannon and hit like wet paper in frontline

[patent gazelle]

Thing is, youre wasting your superflare for a mediocore 12k damage dot

Over a stun which could burn purifys or even chain stun that leads to a kill

[sterile ibex]

or just the stun in general leads to a kill