archived-player-vs-player

[hushed verge]

no damage

[mellow pasture]

in frontlines?

all of scholar's damage comes from spreading biolysis

if your damage is low then you aren't hitting enough players with biolysis

scholar doesn't have much kill potential but spreading a big dot to 20 players absolutely racks up damage

[hushed verge]

i was crystal conflict

[mellow pasture]

scholar damage in CC is much lower potential obviously since less targets to spread dot

their damage is okay at best but their mits/heals/shields cover most of their strength

[hushed verge]

ok so i should be playing a lot more passively and i should win as long as my team is ok

[mellow pasture]

I wouldn't say "passively"

you need to be aggressive or defensive depending on the situation

if that means you need to be on the point, then do it

but no you're not really going to be finishing targets off as SCH

constant chip damage and mitigating for your team is the idea

that being said, if you want to do damage as a healer, play WHM or SGE

[hushed verge]

yeah. im just trying to lvl scholar as i need it for a streaming idea i have

[mellow pasture]

could always play summoner

though they're also just "okay" in CC

[hushed verge]

alright i'll try summoner... thanks 🙂

[hushed verge]

loads better thank 🙂

[sullen mist]

Yeah sch has very low burst kill potential

I play sch for both cc and frontlines and I will say sch is quite team dependent

Sch has pretty good ability to stay on objective but 1v1ing is more or less out of the question

Its a lot of healing/tankiness for a healer, especially if you consider LB negates one CC. Also the main damage source doesn't require too much focus, just boosting biolysis then spreading it

[winter cargo]

the thing with SCH is that you spend most of the match watching your team and the other team's HP and MP and adjusting according to what people need

other than that you stay on the backline most of the time and are mostly on the point

I found that SCH struggles on the defense because their shield capabilities can only do so much (absorbing one gcd at most), so it's more reliant on the team knowing what to do to take advantage of that one gcd shield

[lone jay]

This is just a guess, but while I was in Diamond when I was doing my climb to crystal, the enemy team got a Gold 1 DRG while we got a plat player, and both sides had crystal players. So I think this is a fix for the matchmaking so that players have to be Diamond 3 to be able to match up with crystal players

[tawdry snow]

Between WAR and PLD, which is objectively better in CC and FL respectively?

[patent gazelle]

CC = almost equal but when skill becomes better pld edges out better

FL PLD just cause you can just cover someone and they can just capture a point for those kinds of maps

[patent gazelle]

Pvp experience in a nutshell

[sacred quail]

Idk about FL but I'd rather have a PD on my team (as a squishy) than warrior every time for CC. The games always go alot smoother

[tawdry snow]

Alright

[grizzled meadow]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Pack_Man_III was this achievement for something like team pvp?

[wheat cargo]

feast is the old 4v4 pvp mode

[grizzled meadow]

just wondering cuz I have over 50 wins in Feast but this must've been some other mode not the classic one 🤔

[amber escarp]

50 LP wins not solo queue

[grizzled meadow]

I hope they bring those rewards back sometime ><

[amber escarp]

how exactly is the tactics rating awarded to teams?

I remember my team having captured more objectives than the other teams, but having lost in points

[subtle hornet]

Frontlines?

You gain points from kills too, and lose points from deaths

So if you capture a lot of points but have minimal kills/keep dying, you lose too

[visual marten]

Black Mage sure feels strong after the changes. Although performance does vary drastically if the enemy team focuses on you or not with it likely being the former.

[safe mesa]

A lot of PVP issues would be sorted

if their purify ability was instant

had no animation lock

and broke cc on you

[patent gazelle]

Blm is straight up making pvp unfun

[visual marten]

Seems Black Mage has replaced White Mage as the number one priority to take out for a lot of people.

[amber escarp]

Just don’t be that guy that marks people 1 and tunnels hard just to feed

[timid fern]

Yeah my first thought after the changes was "welp time to lock down the BLM"

I haven't even had time to try a match yet though

[patent gazelle]

Whm was never #1 prio

[rigid lava]

It is if you play as drg

Revenge for hexing you mid jump

[visual marten]

Been leveling Black Mage in CC and I am certainly getting focused hard. Can really dish out a lot of damage if they don't though.

[timid fern]

Funnily enough this might make playing BLM harder at most levels since everyone is going to be in the mindset of "get that guy" now 😂

[compact panther]

Hi I'm new, am I crazy in thinking that certain classes are WAY better than others in CC? I'm playing SMN and it feels fucking terrible

meanwhile I'm watching RDM and NIN taking fat shits on people

like holy shit a ninja literally 100 to 0d me at the beginning of the game, how is that fair??

Yeah i'm done fuck this mode LOL

[timid fern]

Certain classes are definitely stronger than others, however not to the point that anything is not viable. Classes do have different jobs and paths to success, though. As I understand it NIN is very burst-heavy but due to cooldowns has bad sustained damage, so if you let one 100-0 you then they've done their job. You counter it with Purify (cleanses most CC if CCed), your healing pot (2500mp per use, so you can spam four for a ton of quick healing), and Guard (90% damage reduction).

The game mode is all about making yourself difficult to kill/focus, while focusing your efforts on killing enemy players who have spent their resources and are vulnerable to being focused.

[compact panther]

It just feels like bullshit that he repeatedly just targeted me out of stealth and nuked me, and I felt like there wasn't counterplay. Even if I purify it im still going to get nuked and nobody even attacks him even though he's deep in the backline

[timid fern]

I don't play SMN so I can't speak of any class-specific tools at your disposal or how to optimally position yourself, but think of it this way, if you can keep a NIN busy for awhile without dying and still contribute DoTs or other damage to the frontline fight, you've turned it into a 4.5 vs 4 in your team's favor

[compact panther]

I dont feel like smn contributes anything at all

I can dump a shitty dragon in the middle of a fight that people can just walk out of lol

[timid fern]

I know the struggle, I play SGE which is a favorite punching bag due to the green icon and low HP. You just want to practice being ready for the gank and countering it by making yourself an unattractive target. Hugging obstacles that break LoS can help, and remember that if you use Sprint you get a speed boost that stays on until you use another ability, meaning if they want to catch you they can't attack since it would break their Sprint

I had a lot more success in my games once I started paying extra attention to my positioning and generally making sure I wasn't a very attractive target, though on the maps with a speed boost track that lets the enemy get behind you easily you have to be extra aware

[compact panther]

Yeah I guess I'm just tilted as shit because a ninja literally just followed me around all game and my team did NOTHING to stop him

[timid fern]

Everything about crystal conflict (aside from exploiting player mistakes) revolves around forcing someone to use their resources then bursting them down, so any damage you can throw out to an appropriate target is helpful

[compact panther]

It seems really noob stompy if nobody has awareness to stop it from happening

Cuz he's literally alone behind my entire team why did they do nothing lol

[timid fern]

The whole game mode is horribly unfriendly to newbies

But, it's also fairly easy to learn even when getting stomped

That NIN figured out that 1) you didn't know how to counter him on your own and 2) your team was going to ignore him so he was doing his job, but it's not something you can't play around with more experience. Other than the defensive options I mentioned before, you can also bind one of the PvP quickchat options and marking signs to an easy key to press. That way if there is a priority target, you can call out the class in chat and put a big easily seen marker over his head for the rest of your party.

It won't force them to pay attention to him, but it might help.

Always always remember that the key to winning this game mode is to take people out of the fight, and there is not much difference between someone not contributing to the burst in the main fight, and someone who is dead. As long as you are keeping him busy, he's not messing up your allies. And if you can throw some support to the front line, so much the better.

Don't even bother trying to 1v1 someone, it's WAY more efficient to help your team kill people. If they're quick it can (and has for me) turned into the NIN getting ganked by 4 other players since his frontline collapsed while he was busy trying to 1v1

[compact panther]

Those tips def help, but even when I do the absolute most damage I can it still just doesn't feel like enough when my next teammate down does half me xD

[timid fern]

Oh yeah matchmaking RNG will screw you, there's no avoiding that

All you can do is tilt the scales in your favor so your average win rate goes up

[normal gorge]

Player awareness tends to improve a bit with tiers, though even in crystal you can get some real pumpkins. SMN I think is difficult to really swing games with since they lack really all the things that are strong right now.

[wheat cargo]

Make sure to blur names when sending a screenshot @compact panther

[compact panther]

Oops ok 👍

[exotic kayak]

The cringe feeling when you're in a party with a DNC who doesn't make anyone their partner.

And shitheels who have to troll and throw insults means I can't politely ask them to partner up.

[restive grail]

All you have to do is quickly put up your guard

And at the start of the match, keep track of the Ninja as the teams come in to meet

[sick tulip]

whats the meta for pvp right now? im new to it and want to try it out for a bit

or is there a meta?

[restive grail]

The majority of classes in CC are viable

In Frontlines, SMN and SCH reign supreme

[sick tulip]

dope

are there any lvl req for getting into it with a class? other than unlocking the pvp arena

[restive grail]

Level 30 on each class

Or more precisely, having your job stone on

[sick tulip]

kk ty for the info 😼

[timid fern]

From what I recall, though all classes are viable some are much much easier to swing a match with than others. WHM and WAR are pretty notorious for that, BLM just got overbuffed, and you will see DRG top damage a lot at least in lower/mid tiers (I haven't put in the time to reach higher yet myself)

NIN seems to be pretty good at taking advantage of disorganized or inexperienced teams

[sick tulip]

i’ll probably be swapping between classes during my climb lol

will try out NIN DRG BLM and SMN to see which feels nice

[restive grail]

In CC SMN is notorious for sucking

[queen gyro]

DRG vs DRG 1v1 is a huge waste of time

[timid fern]

Almost anything 1v1 is a huge waste of time, compared to hitting those sweet AoEs and/or focusing down targets

Stopping some classes from freecasting does get an honorable mention, though

[queen gyro]

I do like the fact that we just kept hitting each other with sticks until our LB came up, then we jumped into each other’s teams

[timid fern]

honorable duel

[visual marten]

MNK is probably the strongest 1v1 in those situations.

[wicked wolf]

NERF MNK NOW

double the fucking charge time of meteodive!

[sterile ibex]

i personally think it just needs better aoe and less tanky
so 2k less shield on thunderclap and 2k more damage on phantom rush ggez

[timid fern]

mmmmmmm that balance 😂

[visual marten]

I assume they did not focus the Black Mage during that match.

All the Black Mage attention is really causing Ninjas to run rampant with people chasing the Black Mage.

[timid fern]

I think that an attempt was made, but it wasn't enough. I think this was the biggest discrepancy so far, but I've been seeing this a lot with somewhat smaller margins

[visual marten]

Get a Paladin covering the Black Mage and the other team is going to have a bad time unless the Black Mage had no idea what they are doing.

[timid fern]

the paladin was on the other side of that one I think

[visual marten]

Every match I've been in recently has a Black Mage on each side.

Also a bunch of Dark Knights that like rushing in to distract from the Black Mage.

[timid fern]

GNB seems to be overperforming too 🤔

[buoyant hatch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974207526163853344/979454389603418152/unknown.png

The fields of Cartenau where Bahamut caused great destruction

[exotic kayak]

I'M OUT OF BRONZE!

Admittedly, by spamming nothing but WHM...

Polymorph OP.

[unkempt quest]

So

Those pvp balance changes discussion

Do be discussing things

[timid fern]

Not sure why they needed BLM to wreck everything for a couple weeks to arrive that the same conclusion most people did just by reading the patch notes but here we are

Have to wonder how much actual QA they did on those changes

[clever plover]

It’s been like

3 days

[amber escarp]

[timid fern]

I can see how that was unclear - the fix isn't until June 7th

Based on the article now that I've finished reading it, they realized it was probably a bad change before it was even out, but after they sent the patch off for finalization - so in other words, not enough QA

My comment was referencing the fact that they could have just not released those obviously overtuned changes, subjecting us to a two week period of broken BLM. It was just poorly worded.

[sacred quail]

I'm glad they making some class OP. Brings some spice to the game. I don't even play BLM.

[amber escarp]

that's a great way to make the job completely unviable

BLM Question: does freeze and flare give one stack of Astral Warmth and Umbral Freeze to all the players it hits with it's aoe?

[amber escarp]

yeah

you can test on the dummies on top of the ship at wolves den if there are other abilities you want to check

[visual marten]

Just had a longer CC match with 1.5 million damage on Black Mage. Can really hit hard when you don't get focused on.

[timid fern]

Yup. It's a little gross that the match kind of revolves around each team's BLM now

[visual marten]

The enemy Warrior sure was chasing me across the map for a good chunk of that match.

Left the rest of their team vulnerable.

[timid fern]

Yeah some people get too into chasing kills, when it's enough to just drive them off or make them focus on defense

[sullen mist]

Tbf if there was ever a class that should be focus disrupted its this current BS iteration of BLM

The problem is that they also slapped BLM with survivability, maneuverability to go along with stupid CC and hit through cover

[sacred quail]

When my team has the better blm I sit back and take that W with ease 😌

[small kernel]

BLM can hit thru cover?

[spiral brook]

Superflare does

[small kernel]

Ah it just doesn’t apply the elemental effect?

[sullen mist]

And it interrupts elixir

[sinful shuttle]

is blm S tier?

[patent gazelle]

god tier

broken tier

[timid fern]

For the next like 11ish days

[steady wasp]

To apply Kuzushi to a target they need to attack you with Chiten active?

[sullen mist]

ya

you chiten, they hit you, you ult them, they die

[steady wasp]

ok thats what i thought. ty^^

[sinful shuttle]

Is blm just getting reverted or are there other job changes happening in 11 days?

[timid fern]

I don't think they've said specifically, but I don't think it will be a total reversion

Most likely just going to scale it back to something more sane

[fading timber]

Yeah what I read from the lodestone post was that they buffed it without running enough tests

But BLM was seeing both low usage and low winrate previously

[visual marten]

I'm certainly getting focused harder than yesterday on Black Mage. Getting multiple people chasing me across the entire map far away from the objective. Did lead to a few wins with how much they tunnel-vision.

[winter cargo]

is there a useful "get everyone's attention to get ready and kill this person" macro for CC?

I know there are several versions, I just lost mine when my PC died

[sonic copper]

In every one of my matches the black mages always got marked

[winter cargo]

I swear I just hate this game

I think I'm doing fine and then suddenly I get hit with a losing streak so severe my highschool self is actually jealous

it's so tilting

anyway, see you all in diamond hell 😎

[real cloak]

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[sacred quail]

It's not the game but any pvp is like that for some of us. I myself have to accept I am just sucking right now and need to change something up or take a break

[sinful shuttle]

what's a good job to learn pvp on?

[timber pine]

pld

youre beefy. stun enthusiast, and cool

can cover dying team members too

[sinful shuttle]

sounds good to me

[timber pine]

[sinful shuttle]

WAR is the optimal tank atm ?

[timber pine]

that im not sure, but theres some tier list somewhere in the discord lol

[timid fern]

War can disable guard which can be hilarious on C9

[timber pine]

War is nice though, their lb especially

[sterile ibex]

i think what ref said was pld is stronger in more coordinated environments
and war is obv stronger in less coordinated environments

oh hey ref is here to say nvm

[patent gazelle]

Easy and strong: WAR, WHM, DRG, MCH

Best tank is pld

If your team knows how to play with a pld around

[sinful shuttle]

Is there a job that is just useless?

[patent gazelle]

None

[sinful shuttle]

not even DNC?

[patent gazelle]

Dnc pretty good on volcano

How is a large aoe charm that breaks guards not useful?

[radiant tide]

ive been trying PVP and Running Dungeons, but whenever i come across somethign i can fight, how do i target it? because ive tried clicking but whenever i do i end up clicking on either my party or someone too far away, ive tried using tab but i always do it when im too far away, so what would you guys suggest i do to draw them in (i play Samurai and Dark Knight btw)

[timid fern]

I'm not sure I follow...

If you're too far away, you should move closer (unless that puts you in a bad position). Tab is a very effective way to quickly target things (I believe Character Settings has some options for how it behaves somewhere), but there are multiple "target" commands you can use (check "Keybindings" and look for the "targeting" tab). You can also click enemies on your enemy list to target them, in Crystalline Conflict your enemy list will always show all opponents with those too far to be targeted faded out and unclickable. In PvE your enemy list will show all enemies in the current fight.

If you find that you have too much trouble playing a melee class and being close enough to use your abilities, you may want to give a ranged class a try since they tend to be easier to position

[exotic kayak]

Dancer can also do serious AOE damage and make a a single team member that much tougher and more damaging.

[sinful shuttle]

putting aside balance what is the most fun job?

[spiral brook]

I like the big combo that RDM has going for it

[fading timber]

MCH snipe is pretty satisfying

Otherwise I’m a fan of DRG’s multiple AOE options

Tfw backstep is part of your burst

[teal shale]

all of the healers are fun in their own ways imo

[amber escarp]

why is whm still not nerfed

🤷‍♂️

[teal shale]

it did take a decent nerf

2k off misery adds up in multi target, and the second less of lb stun helps. that lb still does prolly a lil too much for 60s cd but its manageable now imo

it could take a cd nerf to MoN I think and itd be pretty in line with sge and ast

[unreal jewel]

AST is decently better than WHM

Sage prolly is somewhat better too, at least for solo q experience

All WHM does is miracle of nature and lb the rest of their spells kinda suck (seraph strike and aquaveil are ok, misery is pretty bad. Cure II is very bad compared to AST heals also.)

[teal shale]

Sage def better for solo q

[sudden quest]

I wish GNB had crowd control outside of LB. the LB is insanely strong. It just stinks that’s the only stun or debuff you get

[timid fern]

At least that's something, no CC for Sage at all 😦

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[teal shale]

not having cc really isnt the end of the world

[timid fern]

I don't think anyone was saying it was? Would be useful, that's all

[sinful shuttle]

Do same spells from multiple jobs stack or overwrite?

[compact panther]

Man it feels exhausting when every win is a huge struggle and every defeat is a 2 min blowout

[timid fern]

Not sure what the context of that is exactly - I'm not immediately aware of any jobs that share spells, and you can't have two of the same job in CC (you can in FL). It seems that many effects do stack fine, but there may be exceptions. I know I read about some issues in PvE where barrier healer shields don't stack, it might be the same in PvP for that specific case.

[spiral brook]

Identical buffs in general don’t stack

So the protect buff given by WHM’s Seraph Strike would overwrite the protect buff given by another WHM

[timid fern]

I have heard that DoTs in FL are a problem so I would assume that means DoTs from multiple sources stack, while DoTs from the same source (you recasting your own DoT before the timer is up) just refreshes

[spiral brook]

Are there any dots you can refresh early in PVP?

I’m only thinking of Sage’s

[timid fern]

lol it's the only one I have direct experience with, so maybe it's just that one

[gentle sentinel]

So...what is the secret for targeting in pvp especially front line. Tab targeting even when set to closest you will have two people beating on you and you are targeting uncle frank two states away. What is the secret

[timid fern]

Can't help specifically with FL, but there are "target nearest enemy" and "target last enemy that attacked you" hotkeys

and also settings for your tab target that change what it prioritizes

[wheat cargo]

Maneuvering the camera to isolate targets you want is the other way

[timid fern]

Yeah I do that a lot myself lol

Aim the camera down so only the nearby targets are in view

[compact panther]

is SMN a viable job to reach crystal?

[wheat cargo]

Yah

It's doable but smn definitely excels a lot more in large scale fighting

[restive grail]

It's considered to be the worst mage in CC, but you can do it if you try

[gentle sentinel]

Will give those suggestions a try. It is the most frustrating part and i think the only thing that holds me back from really enjoying pvp

[compact panther]

I was starting to fotm a ninja, think that'd get me there faster?

I'll play w/e is the best

ninjas seem insanely good

[wheat cargo]

I played war to diamond

Then swapped to bard

You can so whatever tbh

But knowing how to assess yourself and improve is the most valuable

Rather than a specific job carrying you

[compact panther]

ninjas make me want to blow my fucking brain out

maybe its moreso that they will follow me to the backside of the map and my team will do literally nothing to peel them off me

theyre so pubstompy

[gentle sentinel]

This is my experience with Ninja. It is so much fun to play and strong and great for picking up straglers but when you draw attention everyone else on your team just kind of runs the other way.

[compact panther]

lost another fucking game because of a ninja on the other team just running away every time he gets low

idk why i am wasting my time on this smn shit

feel like im getting shields out, did 20k more damage then everyone else with least deaths, still not a ninja

[timid fern]

Anyone who is allowed to run when they get low is a pretty significant threat, ninja is extra good at it but teams that don't finish enemies off and let them heal instead are doomed

[compact panther]

which is frustrating because im smn and i can't chase into the backline

[timid fern]

With Sage I am only letting someone escape if I don't think I can secure the kill AND I think I have something better to do

[gentle sentinel]

Yeah, Ninja has to run. They are assassins, not brawlers. You run, you recover, you find a stray and kill them and then run away again

[compact panther]

and holy fuck why is every win i get like 20 min and my losses are sub 2 min

[timid fern]

I get a pretty even mix I think

[compact panther]

i NEVER get blowout wins

[timid fern]

Actually thinking about it I'm pretty sure I've had way more blowout wins than blowout losses, but mostly in between

That said I've had streaks of wins and streaks of losses so that can color perception

[wheat cargo]

I've has mostly overtime wins and games

But bard tends to drag things out unless you have a good melee who can kill confirm

[timid fern]

I've definitely had more overtime games than quick ones by a good margin

Sage is actually pretty useful for securing kills since it has okay burst and the good dash

[compact panther]

lmfao 2 2 min losses back to back

my white mage just hanging out in their back line

how the fuck do i carry these lol

[timid fern]

I don't generally have problems in my games with enemies retreating to heal, losses come from my teams being so bad at focusing that the other side isn't in any real danger or just losing on attrition

[compact panther]

i healed as much as my WHM

holy shit

[timid fern]

I haven't played WHM but IIRC it's their CC that swings games moreso than their healing, still you can get some bads that don't damage, CC or heal very well

[compact panther]

He literally was off by himself in their backline while we were getting pushed

I need a class that can 1v5 cuz this isn't it lol

Sorry I'm just tilted

Hate losing games that feel completely out of my control

[timid fern]

No one can really "1v5" exactly, but it seems like several classes can hold out for a limited time or pull some crazy stuff. WHM could LB people into level hazards (volcano or C9), warrior can LB to remove enemy guards in similar situations (especially good in C9 since the timing is predictable), samurai can technically one-shot anyone with LB if they hit you and get the debuff

I think Paladin has more survivability than usual, if that's what you're going for

Sage can do a lot of damage to very stupid people, if they all come stand in your LB to hit you while you have guard up and eat the DoT

[compact panther]

In this type of system I just need a class that has like a >50% winrate

I wish there was a way to pull statistics on the top players

I can see the leaderboards but idk how much they're really useful for

[timid fern]

rn I would be surprised if BLM isn't >50% win rate, though with people focusing them it's probably not much higher than that 😂

[wheat cargo]

I just silence people before the tornado

And then mash guard and hope the game loves me that round

[warm sedge]

what are the orange circles running around right before turbulence on cloud 9
i was able to stand in one of them before and got some buff but i didn't actually read what it did

[wheat cargo]

So that's the other way to resolve the turbulence

They're call black chocobo feathers

And they give a haste buff iirc

[warm sedge]

i don't remember if i still take damage even if i get those?

[sterile ibex]

it's a gcd speed and movement speed buff

you dont take damage if you get the buff

but only 1 person in the circle can get it

[warm sedge]

oh okay

that'd be useful for if i used WAR LB right before it since i can't guard

[wheat cargo]

You have to chase jt because it doesn't become stationary until like the last couple of seconds

And sometimes that's not really worth it

[compact panther]

I want to get the WHM that does 40k more healing than mine pls RNG

[timid fern]

This is a lie, based on my personal experience the actual number of people who get the buff by standing in the circle is 0 😂

[sterile ibex]

get snapshotted

[timid fern]

I've tried so many times, I'm probably just a split second too late

[compact panther]

are sages a melee healer?

a monk just hit me through guard for 12k? wut

[unreal jewel]

if your ping is too high its impossible to get the feather in my experience

can't do it on 180ms at least

also if you have 2 people standing on the feather spot its literally a ping check

(im pretty sure)

[warm sedge]

monk LB can remove guard so maybe it was that?

[compact panther]

....why

lol

[wheat cargo]

i'm pretty sure almost all the melee lbs besides dragoon goes through guard

[compact panther]

that could have been it

[wheat cargo]

oh and mch lb too

[unreal jewel]

its either lb or pressure points

if you got punched into the ground it was lb

if you got kicked then guarded it was pressure points

kick applies a 3s debuff that deals 12k dmg that is ignored if you guard the kick but if they kick then you guard the dmg goes through 🙏

[wheat cargo]

thats enlightenment

the debuff is called pressure points

it does 8k potency bonus

!pvpaction enlightenment

[surreal token]

**Enlightenment** : MNK (20.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 8,000 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
Additional Effect: 15-yalm knockback to first target
Also afflicts first target with Pressure Point if successfully knocked back.
Pressure Point Effect: Next weaponskill or Meteodrive used on target will deal additional damage with a potency of 12,000
Duration: 3s
Effect of Pressure Point expires upon dealing additional damage.
This weaponskill does not share a recast timer with any other actions.

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[wheat cargo]

12k

[unreal jewel]

sry i should use real names, i just call it kick

because they like kick you

[wheat cargo]

nah

6ss is also a kick

!pvpaction six-sided star

[surreal token]

**Six-sided Star** : MNK (15.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 4,000.
Additional Effect: Stun
Duration: 2s
Additional Effect: Increases movement speed
Duration: 5s

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[wheat cargo]

and so is dragon kick lmao

its all kicks

[unreal jewel]

im now rly curious what the animation for sss is

is it actually a kick

[sterile ibex]

it's like 3 kicks upward

[wheat cargo]

https://imgur.com/a/Ax2PKAn

https://imgur.com/a/5U9rbxe

this is enlightenment

[unreal jewel]

ty for gifs thats pretty cool ^^

but i cant believe enlighten isnt actually a kick

no way you can just push someone that far

it doesn't make sense

[wheat cargo]

wym

a good foot to the chest

sends people flying

have you not seen 300?

this is sparta and all that?

[unreal jewel]

yea thats my point

its like a 2 handed push

though

[wheat cargo]

its energy

like a beam

pew

[unreal jewel]

a kick would be much cooler...

[amber escarp]

[gentle sentinel]

This is straight up hadouken fireball motion or dbz type

[sinful shuttle]

why is scholar a dps in pvp?

[wheat cargo]

healers in general just press their damage buttons a lot even in pvp

and scholar happens to have a way to spread their dots everywhere

really really good in large scale pvp when your one dot spread hits like 4379258493 people at once

[spiral brook]

Hehe adlo+recited Bio go brrr

[timid fern]

Yes and no?

No, because their key abilities (Toxicon, Pneuma, and Dosis/Euk. Dosis) are all ranged, and they have the lowest health of anyone (tied with BLM) and no direct survivability increases like CC or damage reduction

Yes, because their burst relies on their weird melee AoE (Phlegma?) and on getting shield broken to make toxicon do actual damage instead of just a debuff and tickle

It's in kind of a weird place, tbh, but it does work

I pretty much play it as ranged and jump in with the dash when a kill needs to be secured, and if I'm feeling like micromanaging I swap my kardia around so other people get shields to break so I can use the better toxicon without being punched in the face first

[compact panther]

Gotcha, was trying to figure out why my sage kept facetanking their team repeatedly

[timid fern]

In casual I've experimented with facetanking and it doesn't work out that well most of the time

I thought I could fly back to a teammate to recover, but allies don't focus targets well enough and enemies tend to pursue long enough to swat a sage more often than you get away with it

[compact panther]

Well I got through unranked --> silver today as SMN. You really do just have to play a lot of games and get a good streak of teammates who listen to your target calls.

[wheat cargo]

its like that every rank

you can literally trip your way up to crystal

[compact panther]

don't give away my strat

[dense forge]

https://i.imgur.com/VYwfzCT.gif

makes me think of that

[wheat cargo]

Except each one connects with your face

[dense forge]

ofc

real life people aren't warriors of light with magical MNK soul crystals

[long tusk]

why is the makai drk armor butt fuck ugly

[wheat cargo]

its garo

its meant to eb tokusatsu

[long tusk]

it looks cool

irl but not in game

[rigid comet]

does the pvp season have an end date?

[spiral brook]

6.18

[compact panther]

I just picked up RDM since I know that's great for pvp but its definitely 10x harder than SMN

the pvp version definitely simplified but wow they're hard in pve

[compact panther]

It's so fucking frustrating to play. Your rotations get messed up if you get stunned for a millisecond and you're so squishy.

[sacred quail]

I heard blm is really good

[compact panther]

I don't want to fotm a class that's nerfed in 2 weeks tho

Or you better bet I'd be abusing that rn

[mellow pasture]

RDM hard in pve? idk man that class is really pretty basic at its core

imo rdm is definitely harder in pvp, you have to do some split second decision making

its pve rotation is pretty simple

[compact panther]

im surprised tank damage is so high, this gunbreaker is doing insane amounts every game

[compact panther]

im prob just really fresh to it

[mellow pasture]

just play it longer than like 2 hours in pve

it should click pretty fast

idk what level you are but this command may help

!faq 50rdm

[surreal token]

Level 50 Beginner Infographic

[patent gazelle]

Rdm in pvp is pretty simple

You just need to know how to rotate your defensives properly

Though that applies to all jobs.

[compact panther]

I don't mean this disrespectfully, but I looked at that graph earlier and it did not help in the slightest.

I did find a video on youtube that went through and explained the logic behind it. I don't think I see myself playing this class outside of PvP to be honest. Idk why I'd play anything other than my main class.

[patent gazelle]

Its basically cast jolt/procs then cast verthunder/aero over and over until you build 50/50

Then you do your melee combo

[mellow pasture]

RDM is a job that has to "click" before it gets fun

[compact panther]

I think I'm slowly starting to get there in pvp. It's so hard to figure out what to do if you get interrupted or have to change targets, but I guess you just keep the cycle going and accept you'll do less damage.

[compact panther]

I feel like I can NEVER go in as RDM. Every single time I do everyone turns on me and nukes me, so I have to spam recuperate instantly and fuck up my rotation.

I am LOVING the damage though. I feel so much more powerful than SMN.

[timid fern]

That's the upside of Sage, even though it has micromanagement to be played to its fullest and the damage is a little lacking (unless the enemy is playing pretty poorly) it can't really be "interrupted" in any significant way and you get to drop free shields for your allies and boost their damage a little

I feel like it's kinda hard to screw up as long as you know how to position yourself and mitigate risks

[sterile ibex]

I think rdm was being talked about

[timid fern]

Oh sorry you go ahead 😂

[compact panther]

I think he just means in relation to RDM similarity

[timid fern]

I didn't realize there was an exclusivity rule in effect

[compact panther]

Ok I can't fucking stand RDM

I am so sick of getting fucking stunned 20 times and dying instantly even though I pushed purity and mashed revive

[sterile ibex]

nah I'm saying that's the upside of sage sounds weird when sage wasn't being talked about

[compact panther]

I think he just meant it as an alternative

Plus I think we were talking about sage yesterday when I asked why my sage was facetanking and dying over and over

[timid fern]

They're a class that I tend to watch out for and try to mess with since they seem like that perfect balance of squishy yet dangerous if left alone

[sterile ibex]

yeah rdm is def the squishiest in pvp since it doesn't have any self mit that you can use without downsides

used magick?
now you don't have frazzle
used corps?
now you're in 5 people

[timid fern]

I think it sounds weirder to voice concern over people comparing classes in a PvP but ymmv 🤷‍♂️

[compact panther]

I swear I have played against this gunbreaker all morning who is invincible and tops the damage meter every game (below BLMs ofc)

[sterile ibex]

I mean if you wanna be passive aggressive about it
you worded it pretty fucking weirdly

[compact panther]

I understood exactly what he meant and it was meant for me. Just move on about it lol

[timid fern]

Kel was talking about being interrupted and my two cents were about that aspect of PvP on a class I have experience with, if you had trouble following that's probably less on me 🙃

[timid fern]

There are some mean ones out there, I've noticed it too

[sterile ibex]

still worded weird and nothing will change that

[timid fern]

I was considering giving it a shot but I'm focusing on other stuff until the balance pass

[compact panther]

Is there more stuff gonna be added to the balancing?

I rolled RDM cuz it looked like it was gonna make it through

[sterile ibex]

should be
like blm tuning to not be how good it is

[compact panther]

I'm scared to waste time on a class that ends up getting nerfed

[sterile ibex]

well the only nerfs I could see happening are like blm whm and possibly pld

but I also haven't touched pvp after 6.11a that much so I wouldn't know

[compact panther]

I heard PLD was getting into people's S tier because the shielding is insane

[timid fern]

As far as I've seen the main thing is BLM but they might take the opportunity to change some other things, I get the feeling that they'll be more careful after the backlash on this one so I'm optimistic for sure

[sterile ibex]

brd buffs to let them solo better because they're ass in duels

[timid fern]

And if you must... You chose to whine about a conversation you weren't even having because you couldn't keep up with the people having it, nothing will change that 😂

[compact panther]

Guys stop

Who cares lol

[sterile ibex]

whine..?

[timid fern]

No one, I would hope

[sterile ibex]

whining apparently

and saying something was worded weird

[sterile ibex]

I'm just here for the ride but seems like it stopped 😔

[timid fern]

Yes, comes across as whining, sorry to break it to you 😂

[sterile ibex]

and that's the upside of sage comes across as weird wording

[timid fern]

To you, sure. Not to the person it was directed to, so I'm really not concerned and not sure why you felt compelled to insert yourself 🤷‍♂️

Didn't seem to serve any purpose whatsoever

[sterile ibex]

then that comes across as whining to you

and I'm not sure why you're concerned about me saying something
if you weren't then you wouldn't have said anything and ignored

[timid fern]

I could, but this is more entertaining 😂

[sterile ibex]

still concerned about me saying something
atleast you didn't deny it

[timid fern]

That's some pretty flexible reading comprehension, considering I did exactly that in the comment you replied to

I guess I can see now how you thought my original comment was "worded weird"

[sterile ibex]

do you have anything interesting or new to say or..?

if you wanna say the same thing I can too

[timid fern]

😂

Wow, that's truly amazing considering how you chose to join this conversation

[sterile ibex]

it's amazing that you decided to continue it

[timid fern]

How on earth can I compete with "I thought we were talking about RDM"

[timid fern]

If you're going to provide free entertainment it would be rude of me to just pass on it

[sterile ibex]

so you are just some weirdo that decides let's continue shit for no reason for the purpose of free entertainment

[timid fern]

No, I'm the weirdo that words stuff weird, remember?

[sterile ibex]

I never called you a weirdo for that so idk where you're pulling that from

besides out of your ass to continue this pointless argument ofc

[timid fern]

I'm just here for the ride but seems like it stopped
Your self-awareness is god-tier

[sterile ibex]

yeah because you wanted to continue it??

yknow

you

[timid fern]

So just so I have this straight, when you replied it wasn't continuing it, but when I replied it was?

That sure checks out

[sterile ibex]

because you already stated that you wanted to continue it

??

[timid fern]

I don't care one way or the other, it makes no difference to me. I'm happy to point and laugh as long as you're providing, that's all 😁

[sterile ibex]

I don't care one way or another

is that the one?

[wheat cargo]

You guys are both children

Just chill out

[sterile ibex]

[timid fern]

no way, my dad can beat up ur dad 😠

[sinful shuttle]

is blm the only change coming in next pvp patch?

[wheat cargo]

We don't know about anything else

Other than blm

[timid fern]

Yeah all I've seen was that they "plan to address the concerns" with BLM in the patch on the 7th

Don't even know exactly what they will be doing with that class other than that they agree it was overtuned so there will be some form of nerf

They did note that down the line (I think it was patch 6.18 or after?) they plan to give Frontline more attention, so that's good news for that game mode eventually

[sinful shuttle]

yeah some jobs are ridiculous in frontlines

[compact panther]

monks are so fucking stupid

not even OP just fucking obnoxious dumbfuck players

yolo you into the backline, stun you and do 75% with LB

[sterile ibex]

55k instant burst

[compact panther]

try to purify it but for some reason purify is on gcd or some shit

[sterile ibex]

you can't purify mnk lb

[compact panther]

does the lb stun AND do the dmg?

[sterile ibex]

the lb does cc and 24k damage yes

but to 1 target

[compact panther]

hahaha what the fuck

[sterile ibex]

locks both in a cc lock

iirc they can both be hit during the time

it can also break guard but do 12k

[timid fern]

It's not as game-swinging as other stuff, but pretty annoying to get hit with

[sterile ibex]

not when it's used to dive the blm

[timid fern]

Fair lol

[compact panther]

yeah its just obnoxious

[timid fern]

If you take out a key target with it that's easily the best use, and it's unlikely for a team to coordinate well enough to take and advantage of the monk being locked into it too

[sterile ibex]

there's a reason why it's the best single target lb
having that shit be instant and synergize so well with kit is just so good
better than mch since mch lb kinda comes out slow and doesn't synergize well with kit

[compact panther]

monk just 100 to 0d me in a stun again

[wheat cargo]

Monk does 1 thing and 1 thing well

And that's single target focus

Phoenix prush enlightenment lb

Nasty combo

[timid fern]

It's probably less impactful on a game but I'm pretty sure that damn MCH LB is the one that gets me most often

[compact panther]

100 to 0 again

through guard

like what the fuck are my options

he just follows me around the map instantly killing me lol

[timid fern]

it's just so easy to snag a kill on someone who just barely escaped with that LB 😂

[timid fern]

He can't always have LB up

[wheat cargo]

Analysis drill lb is another nasty af combo

[compact panther]

I don't know how he kept doing it. I literally would die 100 to 0 without getting to push buttons

Assumed it was LB but it happened like back to back

[timid fern]

I'm not familiar enough with Monk kit to really say 🤷‍♂️

I honestly don't have much trouble with them, but that might be luck of the draw, they are under-represented in my games and none on the enemy team have found me worth hounding

and I've survived their LB before but I'd guess that's more them screwing up the combo than anything I did

[compact panther]

ok

i keep fucking pushing purify and nothing happens for like 10 seconds

what the fuck is going on

[sterile ibex]

purify is a cleanse for the things currently on you that are cleansable
if you cleanse something, you get 5sec of cc immunity, otherwise you get nothing

[spiral brook]

I hate that Meteodive makes me think I’m stunned so I press Purify

But it does nothing

[timid fern]

Yep

Purify could use a tweak or two in general

Better feedback on when it is usable and not being usable when it won't have an effect would help newer people get into PvP a little easier

I can't imagine it would be too hard to have the icon light up like your usual procs when you are affected by something you can purify 🤔

[spiral brook]

I’d like it if Purify had a short preemptive buff that works like Warden’s Paean where it waits for a debuff to then activate

[compact panther]

the #1 player on my server actually responded to me and gave me some advice

basically said you can play any class to crystal just keep playing it until you're amazing with it and know how it works with others

[timid fern]

Well yeah everything is viable, differences between classes come down more to their play style, and arguably the most important thing to know is non-class-based fundamentals like when to use your global abilities and how to avoid death treadmills

[sterile ibex]

well
blm/whm

[timid fern]

some (BLM in this patch) are obviously overperforming, but not to the degree that they autowin

even something as broken as current BLM can be disrupted, so you're more likely to notice if your team lacks coordination and focus than what specific comp you have

FOTM comps with WHM and BLM just make things easier right now 😂

[sterile ibex]

well every comp should have whm/blm

[timid fern]

Honestly knowing what classes can do will probably be the best thing you can do to up your potential, if you know WHM has their LB charged you know not to stand in a big fat stack with all your allies for ez CC and damage

[sterile ibex]

I didn't really see any comp not have whm in my climb to diamond

[timid fern]

Right now that happens naturally in most games 😂

[sterile ibex]

can't imagine how much different it is

[sterile ibex]

yeah makes sense

[timid fern]

until we get team queues it's always going to be kind of up in the air so it's better right now to play something you are comfortable with and enjoy than trying to chase something that will win for you

I've seen some really bad FOTM-chasing WHM and BLM

[compact panther]

should i just pick up WHM myself then

to make sure i always have WHM on my team?

[timid fern]

That is one way to potentially increase your average, yeah

WHM is strong, so if you can become good with the class you will never run into a case where you queue up and don't have a good WHM on your team. Won't mean you always win, but will probably let you win more

[wheat cargo]

I had plenty of whmless teams win

[timid fern]

Gotta just focus on the variables you can control, and not sweat losing if something you can't control happens

[timid fern]

Definitely, I've had WHMless teams steamroll teams with WHM, it's much more about the overall coordination than the specific classes

[sterile ibex]

how

I only had maybe 1 or 2 games with only 1 whm

[timid fern]

Luck of the draw I guess, though I would definitely say I have had far more games with 1 or 2 than 0. Probably about even on 1 vs 2, but no way I'm keeping track of that

That's mostly last patch though, maybe they're even more popular now 🤷‍♂️

[silent wedge]

Whm is just easy to play as

It usually goes downhill if your target guards both stuns

[compact panther]

won my first ranked match as RDM, but i totally got carried by this gunbreaker that somehow tops dmg every game w/o dying

played casual vs him all morning, got him on my team and he just wipes the floor. shit is insane

[timid fern]

I have been tempted to give GNB a try after seeing some strong performers yeah

to get a better sense of what is making them tick if nothing else

[compact panther]

i would be surprised if this dude has lost a game today, was surprised to see him in my ranked match. would have thought he was already crystal

legit wondering if people are sleeping on this. he is terrorizing every game he is in

i just got him in my next match. bet you we wipe them hard again

[sinful shuttle]

What is the most common mistake in CC?

[compact panther]

not guarding the wind on that stupid map

[wheat cargo]

positioning is the most common error but one of the tougher ones to fix

since its not necessarily intuitive or easy to identify how you're positioning wrong until you die

[spiral brook]

Some jobs also exploit poor positioning very easily, like Warrior

[compact panther]

This guy with a tier list video said he did silver --> diamond in a day with Warrior. What makes it so strong?

[wheat cargo]

or brd or rdm

i did silver to diamond in 17 games with war as well

it punishes grouping up in the wrong ways

primal rend is an aoe stun that does a fuckload of damage

orogeny reduces damage

BW cyclone rend is a lot of healing

and primal scream removes guard in a cone in front of the war

so you can punish people in conjunction with your party really well

by enabling them to nuke people with impunity

that said lots of people know not to group up when a war has rend up

its like not grouping for malphite ult in league

[sullen mist]

Yeh a good team won't let warrior aoe more than one or two at most

Which affects both their offensive and survivability aspects

The other thing is that warrior is great at harassing squishies that panic

They don't realize warriors solo kill potential is very low

I took warrior up to silver then switched to sch, if a warrior is diving you then yeah go ahead and fight him some but you can still throw aoes and such ahead. Don't let the warrior completely eliminate your battlefield presence

Had one all over me as I pushed the crystal, but then after I landed two expedient biolysis on his team while also slapfighting him and healing myself, he gave up.

[timid fern]

I mostly ignore people trying to kill me, it actually can help sage dps lol

get those toxicon 2 procs and just kite a bit

[sullen mist]

If you're playing war and you get someone to dump a useful aoe on you alone in the backline then you are helping

[timid fern]

ninja and monk are dangerous though

Yeah that's an indirect but super useful way to exploit panic and poor decision-making

[sullen mist]

A boosted biolysis on a solo warrior is a third of his health over 18 sec, which he will recover all of by hitting 2 targets with BW+CC

A boosted biolysis on 3 enemies who are in the middle of fighting your teammates breaks their ability to stand and trade evenly

They either lose ground by shielding or they expend their MP faster

[timid fern]

Yup

I think Warrior is the one that has one of the best abilities though, that yank they can do

[sullen mist]

Warrior is super fun but sometimes you feel more effective than you actually are

[timid fern]

the best way to get your team to focus is to put something right in front of them

I can mark or call all day long, people will ignore it, but yoink that BLM right in front of your team and they'll get the message

[sullen mist]

There are times you are running around their backline with impunity but somehow they're still getting decent damage on you while shreking your teammates

It started to be quite common for me to dive a backline and eat cc/nukes from 3 people, self heal and shield... then look at my team and realize somehow they've gone 1k 1d in a 4v2 engagement

Everyone is team dependent but man sometimes it feels real bad on war

[queen gyro]

DRG can really fuck up teams with poor coordination

Which is everyone not a premade

[patent gazelle]

Welcome to fighting good mnks

[sinful shuttle]

what's the consensus on RPR?

[sullen mist]

Not great

1v1 king... in a 5v5 world

[sinful shuttle]

yeah that seems problematic

I wonder what they could get to help them out

[compact panther]

How do I get my adventurer plate to show up in CC? It just shows the default

ok its fucking stupid that LBs can go through guard

makes no sense at all thats literally my only counterplay to getting nuked

[sullen mist]

Not all LBs go through guard. Which ones? Reaper and Monk are the ones that do, but those specifically do so

[wheat cargo]

primal removes

ninja goes through

[crude heron]

Samurai's LB goes through guard too I think

[wheat cargo]

sam too

mch lb

[compact panther]

made gold already, these low ranks can go fast with a good streak o.O

wish i knew my win/loss vs just victories

[spiral brook]

Character > Portraits > right-click portrait > Use as Instant Portrait

Note that it’s gear-dependent so you’ll have to reactivate it whenever you swap jobs or update your glamour

[compact panther]

Thanks!

[sterile ibex]

dnc lb also goes through guard

[sullen mist]

Wait mch LB goes through shield?

I was only aware of drill doing that

[limpid grail]

It doesn't

Sadly

[wheat cargo]

you're right

[limpid grail]

Can server tick before the shield goes up though

[wheat cargo]

i'm just listing lbs at this point :^)

[patent pine]

Sam doesnt go through guard w/o the debuff

[sullen mist]

hmmm, saw something new in frontlines

gunbreaker stack?

never seen that before

i think i saw a drk jump in followed by 3 gnbs and just annihilate our front row

i have no idea how gnb functions tbh

[patent gazelle]

RPR is pretty good the higher level you go.

it has a 45 second cd aoe polymorph

[compact panther]

Should I just not queue ranked CC in the morning? I spend like 50 min waiting for a match

[crude eagle]

I don't bother queuing in the morning.

[fluid oracle]

WHERE SAMURAI

[timid fern]

respawning probably 🤔

[fluid oracle]

Bruh

Samurai>monk

Kazuma

Dont say that abt a sam infront of a samurai main

[sterile ibex]

might wanna respawn first

[sterile ibex]

great pinned

[spiral brook]

[compact panther]

holy fuck warrior is terrible what the fuck??

why the fuck did i just level this shit?

no damage, die in a BLM stun instantly so not tanky, how tf do people apparently play this to diamond its wet noodle AF

[sterile ibex]

be annoying

pop gaurd right after you rend in

[wheat cargo]

Something something skill issue

[sterile ibex]

true and real

[sullen mist]

Have you tried pressing your defensive buttons

[sinful shuttle]

what is best melee?

[timid fern]

Nothing really "tanks" 4-5 people focusing on it under ordinary circumstances. Even 2-3 people hitting you with burst is going to 100-0 you unless you are using some method of mitigation or recovery. Everyone is DPS in Crystalline Conflict, just different flavors of DPS with different utilities.

I would be beyond shocked if there aren't good youtube videos out there detailing how to succeed with the class, if you check those out and practices you'll probably be up and running in no time

[queen gyro]

all the melee classes specialize in different things

but if you just want to shut someone down, MNK and NIN seem to be good choices

[sterile ibex]

i'd say anything that isnt sam has a pretty good spot rn that fills different roles
mnk shuts down blm with lb
drg has great aoe
nin is a backline tormenter and resource thief
rpr has cc on lb that comes up super fucking quick that you cant cleanse and cancels guard

[compact panther]

Yeah I might spend some more time just practicing it tomorrow, but overall if people eventually swap war --> rdm at diamond to reach crystal maybe i can just stick to rdm the whole way there. I'm starting to get much more confident on it but it's so damn wonky managing stances

I'm starting to love nuking people with it and it's probably better to just get good at that class if that's what s tier class i wanna stick to

I also kinda love RDM cuz it's totally S tier but everyone already plays WHM/BLM so i know that's going to be on my team w/o me needing to queue it

[sinful shuttle]

I wonder why rdm has low play rate

cuz yeah it def seems top tier

[wheat cargo]

it got chain nerfed lmao

[sinful shuttle]

ahh

[patent gazelle]

It still has good playrate in crystal

[silver bay]

Will I get the diamond border if im crystal?

[sterile ibex]

we have no idea yet

[spiral brook]

I hope I get the Silver stuff, it has a nice look to it

[compact panther]

Can you help me find the notes where it was nerfed? I didn't realize that.

I still feel like I'm destroying people if someone doesn't respect me.

[compact panther]

Yo what did you play to crystal just curious?

[wheat cargo]

It was in both the 6.11 and the most recent notes. You can trace them in #lodestone-news-na

[compact panther]

Thanks! We don't have the 6.15 patch notes though right? It sounds like they plan on making another balance pass beyond just BLM

[wheat cargo]

Ye

[compact panther]

"We've heard your feedback and it does appear red mage is continuing to overperform in Crystalline Conflict. To adjust this, we have decided to delete red mage from the game. We apologize for the inconvenience and look forward to further adjustments where necessary."

[compact panther]

I wish they'd make it across server groups or w/e it's called so you could find a match in the morning. Kind of wild it can't find 10 people who want to play CC in the morning. :/

[wheat cargo]

Well weirdly enough most people have daytime responsibilities

[compact panther]

Oh totally

I understand why it's happening, but it still seems odd there aren't 10 people across all these servers who want to do ranked CC at this hour.

[wheat cargo]

I mean it's the curse of a ladder that never let's you fall

As the season moves

You have fewer and fewer who stay interested

And also fewer who are lower rank

[compact panther]

That's a good point, I didn't think of it that way

Hopefully I still have enough time to make it up there :S idk how much longer this patch has

[sterile ibex]

well I heard 6.18
so you have a solid time until it ends

[silver bay]

MCH

Before they buffed drill

Also im only diamond 4 :x

I dont want to up to crystal if I dont get the diamond border

[fallow summit]

so as smn how tf do I megaflare

I don't see the conditions anywhere?

actually tbh I don't see the conditions for any of phoenix's spells

[sinful shuttle]

it's under the summon spell itself, it executes automatically when summoned

[fallow summit]

!!!!! omg i can't read

thanks

[tepid pier]

Gunbreaker is pretty fun.

[compact panther]

Dude I SWEAR I've been seeing GNB topping charts almost every game, are people sleeping on this?

Granted damage isn't a skill meter, a bunch of passive damage isn't necessarily as useful as targeted burst.

I know literally nothing about how you get up to those numbers as GNB

[tepid pier]

Kill

On the real though: tank junction is your best friend on frontline. Always make sure you have nebula+guard+purify, preferably double down before diving in with lb. If you're the one initiating; jump in, pop the trigger asap, DD and guard out.
If you have friends with you disorienting/distracting the enemy clump, (such as that warrior who was getting fat rends off), you can afford to spin a little longer before popping trigger+dd.

It's stupid risky, it doesnt always work. But it's incredibly fun when it does.

Imo something fun to do is get a pld friend, have them cover+guard or cover+hallowed when you jump in to LB. You get to spin in the middle of the enemy clump for free.

[buoyant hatch]

was there another batch of changes that made monks 5x stronger or smth

i literally get on my white mage, start doing my stuff in a teamfight, suddenly a monk comes near me and 100-0 me by himself, I die, come back, and same thing happens when I respawn

and yes there was nobody near him

[sterile ibex]

well

mnk can do 55k nearly instantly so

with lb

[wheat cargo]

They fixed a bug

That's like all they ddi

On release enlightenment didn't proc the bonus damage sometimes

[sullen mist]

I saw what I can assume to be a pre-made of 3 gnb and a drk crush the ice Frontline a couple days ago

The drk would initiate and snare

The gnbs jump in and then it's just over

[tepid pier]

[sinful shuttle]

they plan on doing anything with smn and sch in frontlines?

[timid fern]

They said they will work on FL in the future, I believe it was after 6.18

Right now the focus is on CC

[sinful shuttle]

they just need to reduce the aoe potential on them it's too much

[sullen mist]

they better nerf paladin then

being able to ignore a fight and auto cap an ovoo which can't be counter-claimed is pretty bullshit

[sterile ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974383788807307264/982410366459977738/ice_maged.gif

this is relevant

[patent gazelle]

A lot of people dont know how to play mnk so a lot of lower tier people think its a bad job

[west bridge]

tbf mnk is kind of painful to play in fl

[lucid rose]

Why? You either snipe people with LB or knock them towards your team, either or, they're dead or close to it

[west bridge]

yes but I would rather dunk on alliances as drg or summoner for half the effort

[charred wigeon]

PvP is so hard

I feel like I immediately die without getting to do.....things

Does anyone have any tips or suggestions? I'm trying to use Purify, Guard, Recuperate and my Standard Elixirs when I can but a lot of times it feels like I just get deleted

[sacred quail]

Get better genetics. Some people naturally are good at pvp. The only options for us nubs is to lose alot and eventually get 90% as good as the rest of them. Most people quit if they aren't good at pvp and that's why you face mostly just good players

[queen gyro]

Situational awareness is better than any guide

You have to develop that over time

Usually in the middle of getting your ass beat

[sacred quail]

Also try to get into the "zone" than everything is becomes easy. The hard part for me is getting that flow. Some people just always have it. Lucky bastards. Aka top 100 players etc

[charred wigeon]

It's really hard to know when it's because of something I did or something my team did so I'm having trouble figuring out what I need to do to improve

[sullen mist]

easy

you win, it's something you did

you lose, it's your team's fault

basic pvp game psychology

[timid fern]

sound advice

this chip PvPs

[sullen mist]

it applies to pve too

someone did better than you? no-life tryhard

someone did worse than you? get gud fucking scrub

[timid fern]

now you know everything you need to for savage

[sullen mist]

if your team was as good as they think they are they should be able to adjust

checkmate, PF listing makers

TR/HM? that can't stop me because I can't read or watch guides

[vivid otter]

does anyone know of any pvp linkshells or fc's that focus on doing organised frontlines?

[faint gust]

Hi

If some people want to do some duel 🙂 tell me

[sinful shuttle]

what has highest single target damage?

[compact panther]

LB should not go through guard

none of them

i cannot wait for BLM to get fucking nuked tomorrow

get that shit out of this game good lord

[compact panther]

Holy fuck ok rdm doesn't climb in low leagues

Do 20k dmg more than the rest of my team, top the board, still lose 5 in a row

6

[wheat cargo]

that doesn't mean its a job issue

part of it is definitely because your team just didn't work well

[compact panther]

I need a class that overcomes that. I can't be losing 5+ games and tanking the entirety of the progress I made in a tier.

I don't think a class that is paper fragile and has to go melee range is going to work. It's just too dependent on expecting my team to follow-up or do anything at all.

And I don't have any fucking CC so I just get blasted any time I don't have purify up.

[patent gazelle]

rdm definitely can carry hard in low tier games

look at meara

[wheat cargo]

you have cc though

resolution is either silence or bind

[compact panther]

Sorry I meant hard CC

Not that I think RDM needs it, it really just needs a team that follows the lead

[sterile ibex]

silence is a hard cc..

root is like mild cc

[compact panther]

I guess I'm pissed that I'm still fucking around at the bottom of gold when I'm still topping damage every game and only dying to dumbshit instagib LBs. If WHM is untouched tomorrow I'm prob going to hard swap to that since it actually rewards positioning and is less risky.

[sinful shuttle]

the combo on blm is blizzard paradox into superflare right?

[fading timber]

You are attempting to push the crystal right?

[sullen mist]

only if you care about winning

[faint gust]

hello o/

some people want to do some duel ? 🙂

[sinful shuttle]

what job does the most damage to crystals?

[sullen mist]

uh

you're talking cystalline conflict yes?

[sinful shuttle]

frontlines

[wheat cargo]

probably in reference to the shatter frontlines game mode

[sinful shuttle]

ah yeah sorry that map

[sullen mist]

You wouldnt actually pick a class for Crystal damage

Tomelith fights are as much about pushing the enemy teams away from the objective as they are actually doing damage to them

Melee classes would do the most damage to a tomelith in theory, but if its contested between 2 or 3 teams the frontlines aoe spam is going to annihilate a melee dps that stubbornly sticks to the tomelith

[spiral brook]

yeah, having the most single target damage won't mean much if the enemies are exploiting aoe damage (SMN/SCH/BLM) to push your team away

[sullen mist]

Three teams contesting ice tomelith

Expedient > biol > deployment on the tomelith

Instantly plague 20+ targets

[spiral brook]

my friends were doing a little trolling as a 3-man summoner premade

organized Bahamuts can kill dozens of people with enough battle high

[sullen mist]

In my FL today, 4/8 of my full party were scholars

[spiral brook]

[sullen mist]

The large ice near our base activated

We went on the arch and dropped to the ledge

Adders swarmed in from the low ground

The fight begins and we drop 4 exped biolysis right in the heart of their formation

[subtle hornet]

Oh no

Pls

Not again

[sullen mist]

Yes we won

Btw

Dominant tbh

Adders came at us every time there were no contested tomeliths and we sent them packing

[subtle hornet]

Coordinated summoners or scholars are scary

[sullen mist]

At one point we had 1200 to adders 500 and mael 700

[subtle hornet]

I've also seen scary AoE damage coming from buffed BLM, but this might change after maint

[sullen mist]

Large mid tomelith spawns

Adders ignored it to fight mael instead

Mustve gotten tired of getting punched in the face

Best part was this was after both of them tried a mid pinch on us but it got called and we all retreated towards our spawn with few casualties

Both of them hit our chokepoint, stalled, started fighting each other then we immediately counterpushed and blew them both away

Nearly teamwiped both of them at the same time

Many bahamuts were involved and one of the most ridiculous whm into dnc LBs ive ever seen

I swear to god that dnc hit 30 people

[buoyant hatch]

Need a frontline tier list

I'm having way more fun in frontline. Probably cuz casters and positioning are much more rewarding than unga bunga crystaline conflict ignore everything and ohko someone as monk

At the same time I am curious if any melee dps works in frontline

[faint gust]

monk SSS monk S monk a monk b monk c monk d

[sacred quail]

After they balance it maybe. I got all my goro mounts and frontline was awful. Felt like just throw your aoes out. I got a 10 kill combo on the ninja once though. Only fun I really got out of frontlines.

[buoyant hatch]

Did they say the gamemodes will have different potencies and stuff?

the way I see it if they nerf summoner or scholar (to name two of the "op" classes there) because of frontline they become even worse than they already are in cc.

[scarlet tulip]

Has anyone documented how Battle High actually builds

Like the number gained per kill/assist and lost per death

I feel like I’m never able to go above BH1 consistently

[subtle hornet]

+10 per kill
+2 per assist
Halved on death

Basically.... DON'T die

[scarlet tulip]

Hmmmm

Good advice

Unfortunately I am bad

Anyone have any advice to get better with GNB or DRK, they’re my favorite pvp classes so far

I know GNB is in a spotty state rn sadly

[tepid pier]

Here's what I do in frontlines and it works out for the most part.

I am but a simple GNB one trick

Your modus operandi as a gnb in frontlines is to nebula & jump in, slam your aoe buttons and guard out. It's up to your team to capitalize on the openings you provide.

Also: as of 6.11a, your LB has a 1 minute charge at most, sooner if your team is 2nd or 3rd; or your party has a means of farming lb charge (bard lb, spire etc)

So you will be able to go for a big lb play every single fight, sometimes multiple times per fight.

Actually escaping is kind of tricky; if you're not safely behind your allies by the time guard is about to drop; pop sprint and book it to the nearest cover. Have one finger on your Purify for when the CC spam hits you, and just mash recuperate+sprint and pray you don't get polymorphed or server ticked during your 5 seconds of resilience.

Sometimes if your LB is up and your team is approaching 1-3 stragglers, it can be worth it to just use LB to secure at least a few assists, since its such a short charge time on gnb.

Also, when farming battle high: assists aren't based on how much damage is dealt; only if you deal any damage to an enemy that is subsequently ko'd. Be opportunistic -- if you know that out of position machinist is doomed, jump on them to secure an assist.

[wheat cargo]

I just mash the laser on whm into crowds off cd for free bh

[tepid pier]

I have chosen the path of perpetual torment

[wheat cargo]

It usually clips like 6 to 7 during contested objectives

So it's really easy to scale bh

Basically just use aoe in teamfights

And you'll get something

[tepid pier]

Yup

[spiral brook]

Not explicitly, but I do notice that in frontline your skills are about 20% weaker than in CC at 0 battle high

[sterile ibex]

ranged have a 20% mit
melee have a 40% mit

[spiral brook]

:0

[sinful shuttle]

melee take 40% less damage?

[compact panther]

51k chainsaw

what in the fuck

[subtle hornet]

I have chosen the path of Lord Bahamut

16 kills 50 assists in onsal

[patent gazelle]

you have been 3%d

[sinful shuttle]

should that rng be in pvp?

[patent gazelle]

No, but its funni when it happens

And also frustrating

[spiral brook]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[compact panther]

I need a gif of a nuke landing and exploding in "skill issue"

[compact panther]

I do not understand how people can be so fucking tunnel visioned that I can fill their chat box with retreat pings and they won't fall back

[scarlet tulip]

Grazie, I appreciate this

I was assuming heal junction was good for party support but I’ve come to realize that the best support is killing enemies, and nebula makes that easier when you’re in a crowd

[tepid pier]

Healer junction is extremely situational in crystalline conflict, but it's practically useless in frontline. The healing you provide simply does not hold up against 24 enemy players slamming all their burst on you or a friend.

[scarlet tulip]

Duly noted

I assume the dps boost + blasting zone from dps junction isn’t as useful as nebula and shields

Nebula having the auto counter seems really good

[tepid pier]

Yep, Nebula's auto counter will always deal far more overall damage while also providing you with much-needed mitigation.

[scarlet tulip]

Luckily finding a tank to DnJ is never hard in frontline

[tepid pier]

Bursting down a single player with blasting zone simply leaves 23 other enemies licking their chops in your direction.

[scarlet tulip]

There’s always a warrior somewhere

[tepid pier]

yep

[scarlet tulip]

So when I LB I should trigger asap to get the stun out?

I’ve just been letting it spin but I can see why the stun would be better to use faster

The extra damage doesn’t mean anything if they get out of the way

[tepid pier]

In most cases, you should be getting the stun out ASAP; this allows your team to follow up on the crowd of now cc'd and possibly panicked enemies. However, there are situations where you can spin in the enemy clump for free.

[scarlet tulip]

Like if they’re stunned already

Or focused on something else

[tepid pier]

Exactly. If you notice you have someone already setting up aoe CC, you will be able to more safely follow up with a second or two of spinning. Or if you have, say, a paladin buddy giving you cover+guard every single time you jump in to LB

[scarlet tulip]

I don’t have such coordination

[tepid pier]

If you can do it safely, it can be absolutely worth it to get all 5 stacks on the enemy clump -- especially if they're in a tight area they can't easily escape from.

[scarlet tulip]

Some maps seem to force choke points

[tepid pier]

5 stacks = 20% vuln up, which is nothing to sneeze at; especially if you already have battle high.

[scarlet tulip]

The azim steppe map has a mid point with bridges that I’ve noticed people funnel into

[subtle hornet]

That's not a very good example of a choke point

[scarlet tulip]

You can jump off

But

No one wants to

I swear I’ve seen people stand in aoes

[subtle hornet]

If all 3 teams are going for that ovoo, you're a sitting duck if you run into the enemy team

[scarlet tulip]

Rather than jump off the small bridge

[tepid pier]

Onsal is a very, very open map with very few choke points, making it difficult to catch a lot of enemies at once.

[subtle hornet]

You take damage if you jump off

It's too high

[tepid pier]

A better example of a choke heavy map is seal rock, especially near the midpoint.

[scarlet tulip]

Oh I haven’t played seal rock in a bit

I’ll have to remember that

[subtle hornet]

Shatter has some good choke points too, if you're controlling one of the side big ices

[tepid pier]

^

[tepid pier]

The issue here is that you're flooding their chat with pings. That's kind of the fastest way to make your teammates unwilling to cooperate with you.

[sly mesa]

what do I spend trophy crystals on? its all just job quest gearsets recolored

[tepid pier]

Recolored and better textures. Otherwise you can spend it on portrait tools.

[sly mesa]

fair, ty

[tepid pier]

There's also some chocobo barding, minion(s?), housing items, orchestrion rolls if you care about those at all. I'd imagine they'll add more trophy crystal rewards as time goes on.

also the new weapon models they added for trophy crystal rewards are pretty neat.

[sly mesa]

ah didnt know the weapons were new, cheers

[tepid pier]

there's some real good stuff in there

[sinful shuttle]

blm officially nerfed

[patent gazelle]

its a non nerf

fcucking dumb

[mellow pasture]

yea that's barely a nerf

lo

[sinful shuttle]

was meisui an issue?

[patent gazelle]

meisui healed way too much for what you spent for it

its a 30k hp heal on one gcd

its largely too strong

you cannot kill a ninja under meisui when you're alone

shukuchi s a big nerf

a lot of the times you'll need sprint to even reach your target.

[mellow pasture]

funny that they didn't address paladins in frontlines

intended behavior

[patent gazelle]

they can just make it so elixiring/capping with cover would still interrupt you

elixiring is also a problem and op thing in CC

[sinful shuttle]

frontlines needs a decent amount of adjustments

[sacred quail]

Yes I agree. With quick combat in crystal conflict it's so easy to fail assassinate and get kicked out of it. Now we won't even be able to reach opponents. They want you to land on their head. Well good luck with that when you have 3 dots on the ground. 😑

[flint plaza]

Oh no Paradox got nerfed. How will I get my 100% guranteed kills now that were totally not broken and busted D:

[compact panther]

If they are not retreating when our whole team is dead and they’re going in 1v5, I’m going to ping until they stop and assume they don’t notice. If they get offended over pings that’s a mental health issue.

Legit laughing at the pvp changes today. AKA no changes at all basically. I thought they were going to legit do some tuning? Two jobs barely touched and that’s it xD

[visual marten]

I see Black Mage is pretty much still the same. Totally no job bias here.

[tepid pier]

Spamming pings is also a reportable offense, so do so at your own risk.

[compact panther]

Yeah I didn’t roll it because i thought it was going to get shut down, apparently they’re totally fine with it topping dmg every game by miles

[sacred quail]

U sound fun to group with. Stay in gold 4 pls 🙏

[compact panther]

Plat 4 already. If a dps is 1v5ing and not responding to retreat pings, please elaborate how this makes me the bad guy? I have nothing to go on other than thinking they aren’t paying attention

It’s not like I’m mashing the ping for an entire match. Like 4-5 times hoping they hear it

[sacred quail]

Don't spam it I think is the point. Once should suffice

[tepid pier]

If they don't respond to the first ping, they're not going to respond to the fifth.

[sacred quail]

And sometimes if it's near the goal or overtime situations you need to try and hold point a few seconds to wait for your team or the games lost.

[compact panther]

I got to grandmaster in heroes of the storm without typing and only pinging 4-5 times until people started responding. If that’s considered annoying I can live with that, but with no other way to communicate I know it works.

And you know I’m not talking about clutch situations, of course those warrant a 1v5. It’s the dancer hero trying to stanky leg them in the middle of the map when 3/5 people are dead on our team.

And I’m not mashing it all game like I said. It’s not a stream of pings, just little bursts here and there.

[wheat cargo]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxx2GVuclhFaiE8ahGa6rfma4d09bMWdOO

thats what i feel like the QC conversation is about lmao :^)

[tepid pier]

[south cargo]

Discord mods vs reddit mods who would win ina fight to the death

[mellow pasture]

they are already dead inside

[south cargo]

Daamn they gunna totally ban us now.

[exotic kayak]

Removing one Paradox charge is fairly significant though

You can freeze someone in 2 GCDs back to back anymore.

[tepid pier]

Removing the paradox charge was kind of needed as far as im aware. 16k Burst is still pretty spicy, but also: dont be hugging the blm lol

Im no expert but 10% mit on lb seems fine.

[flint plaza]

BLM was honestly fine after the first wave of buffs but no one played it because people were terrible and didn't know how to play it. It really just needed the defensive buff on lb

I'm glad that paradox is now more punishing again

[tepid pier]

I remember a pre .11a blm using aether manip to chase me down, it was terrifying lmao

[formal hill]

can u even break out of a monk stunlock? seems like i eat stun > purify > eat LB as my purify goes off

[tepid pier]

Monk's lb is an unblockable, uncleansable stun.

It simply does less damage if you're guarding -- 24k unguarded vs 12k guarded.

[formal hill]

so u cant really purify a monk stun if they have LB up then?

[tepid pier]

The purify buff will not block it either, since meteodrive is outside the paramaters of purify.

[formal hill]

and just have to hold and pray?

[tepid pier]

You can purify the stun from six sided star and guard (so the lb stun does less damage), but that requires both insane timing and for server ticks to work in your favor.

[formal hill]

hm maybe i should pick up monk. feels like nobody cares to focus em, so they just have free reign on whoever they wanna kill

[tepid pier]

Monk excells in drawn-out 1v1 engagements. Leaving a monk alone lets them be scary, and every 60 seconds they get to choose a single target to turn into paste.

Basically a monk gets burstier the longer they're in a fight, since the end of their long gcd combo can do 15k, plus an additional 12k from pressure point.

[formal hill]

convincing the team to focus a monk is impossible tho it seems