archived-player-vs-player

[queen gyro]

Victory

??????

[amber escarp]

ya

here you can see the exact amounts https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/frontline/1/

[sudden crest]

ah thank you

[amber escarp]

No prob

[tranquil turtle]

how do i beat whm in pvp

i keep getting CC'd by them

[deft oriole]

!pvpaction miracle of nature

[surreal token]

**Miracle of Nature** : WHM (25.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Forcibly transforms target into a diminutive creature, preventing them from using actions.
Duration: 2s
Has no effect on players under the effect of Guard, players riding machina, or non-player combatants.

Powered by XIVAPI

[tranquil turtle]

oh guard DOES stop it

[deft oriole]

bait it out, then they can't use it for 25s

[tranquil turtle]

I feel like i'm just a magnet for this thing

[queen gyro]

if you're alone in the crystal its always going to be you

about to get smoked by Tataru

[tranquil turtle]

probably yeah when i'm last alive 😦

honestly the worst feeling is seeing your teammates tanking and I'm sitting in the middle of all the enemies going "all my CDs got burned"

[queen gyro]

server tick is mysterious

Had a game where 0 people were on the crystal

victory

[tranquil turtle]

had a nutty game where we got a 4 man kill because me (sam) and Dragoon LB'd the same spot (the crystal)

...and then we lost

[deft oriole]

people don't need to be on the crystal if they have a higher push score

[tranquil turtle]

nah we went into overtime, we pushed really close to the enemy base but they managed to outsustain us and kill us

and we didn't make it all the way

[queen gyro]

a losing team with 3 tanks is incredibly annoying

[deft oriole]

so their push score was higher than yours

[tranquil turtle]

we had no tanks. it honestly feels unwinnable versing a warrior and white mage sometimes

but also i'm bad

[restive grail]

started playing MCH tonight.... pretty sure I've lost 10 games in a row with 0 wins

I don't think it's possible to hit full Wildfire without being Overheated? but it's so hard to get there

ok, won my first match

seems like you can get Wildfire through one use of Blast Charge + Machinery + Scattergun

[patent gazelle]

pvp is a lot more balanced now it feels

but

i lost a lot of pts today

fell off

[sacred quail]

Takes alot of losses to start winning. Part of the experience. Practice different strats and do what works for the team. I often make the mistake forgetting its a team game. If the team is in harmony is assures more wins

[patent gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/100463940835762176/970137651690733648/unknown.png

fell off

😔

[hardy trout]

but you're getting close, although other as well

[restive grail]

Not so when I played Ninja

[wicked wolf]

They won’t.

Unless it’s RMT stuff or verbal assault the NA GMs don’t care

[restive grail]

...isn't afking an actionable offense tho

[wicked wolf]

On my server for Firmament stuff we had a gatherer who openly admitted to account sharing in game, which is against ToS, and they still got their cheated rewards

Honestly the morale battle is lost -_-

You either join them and get to a comfortable spot/where you want, or you don’t and deal with all the stress and irritation of being the minority trying to earn stuff legit and having no actual distinction for all the effort you put in

[viral rune]

thats really unfortunate if nothing is done, all we can do is report and hope

[wicked wolf]

Yes, non-participation is actionable. Doesn’t mean the GMs will ban them. They’ll get a slap on the wrist at most

Like in Feast seasons people weren’t losing accounts. They just got 2 day suspensions. Which meant they kept their top 1/10/100 rewards

And I seriously feel like I’m going to give myself an aneurysm trying to get to Crystal just for the title

I’m at 80 wins and I’m trapped in Gold 4....

Even if I were to win trade my way up to bottom of the barrel Crystal, which is all I’m after, it would take 19 back to back wins right now, leaving me at 99 and there are people 1 star away with less wins than I have currently.

[viral rune]

i didnt even realize crystal gives a title

[wicked wolf]

Every tier does, like Feast

You just get them at the start of the next season based on where you finished. Via an item like Firmament rankings

For CC it’s “<insert tier> Bearer”

[viral rune]

oh okay. Never played feast before but that’s good to know there’s an incentive to get crystal then

[wicked wolf]

And “Crystal Bearer” is literally a title given to us in 2.0’s MSQ

!lsearch crystal bearer

[surreal token]

Lore Entries Matching "crystal bearer"

NPC Dialog

Hearken unto me, crystal bearer. Thy foe is Darkness clad in steel.

NPC Dialog

Once more, crystal bearer. Look to the Light to vanquish the Darkness.

Page 1 of 1

[wary orchid]

Ninja tips?

[lone jay]

Can you source this? The official rewards page for CC doesn't mention any title rewards. Just adventure plate frames

Also, the only time I found any reference to an actual title called: 'Crystal bearer", it was a title from 1.0 days

[patent gazelle]

Some ninjas usually play it like a phys range but i think the higher impact way of playing ninja is to stay behind the enemy lines all the time

That way youre free from getting hit by aoes, get easier acess to their potions, easily stop and chase down elixirers

There is a big risk of getting focused and dying fast, but as long as you know how to rotate your cooldowns/shukuchi youll be fine

You can also bait 1-2 problematic players away from the crystal that way

[wicked wolf]

Its part of the datamining for 6.1. Ranked titles are hidden achievements

[patent gazelle]

So your team can potentially fight better.

[wicked wolf]

Check any of the API sites you use and it should list them if they have an achievement list

[wheat cargo]

I know you mean well but standard server rules apply so try not to just outright name names

[lone jay]

Ok, I found the Datamine that you mentioned it

Assuming that the data mine is legit, I find it VERY strange to omit getting titles from CC through achievements. What's the point in doing that?

[wicked wolf]

Same reason they did them in Feast

[lone jay]

I was only around for the tail end of last feast, and I didn't even play it. So I got no idea how long this might have gone on

[wicked wolf]

Bronze Wolf, Silver Wolf, Gold Wolf, etc were ranked titles from Feast

[lone jay]

hmmm, ok

[wicked wolf]

Achievements not everyone is able to get typically are hidden

[lone jay]

I definitely find this approach to be very weird and unnecessarily confusing. Just put in the official pages that you get titles from ranks

[wicked wolf]

They probably think its implied at this point

[sacred quail]

Ya I'm still a sprout. Took me a good 15 wins to understand ninja lol. I played both strats and agree. Definetly better to stay behind and burst focus down the ones getting hit imo while keeping pressure of course.

[wicked wolf]

Like how it’s implied next season will have different portrait items

[lone jay]

Well, I won't say no to a free Title

But yeah, this approach is confusing to newer players like me

[wicked wolf]

“How is it implied?” They all have I on them and its the first season, next will be II for the second season

I just wish I could get to Crystal....

[lone jay]

My advice from bronze to plat is just to improve your game to the point of making your job as impactful as possible. That's how I made it to diamond 5

[wicked wolf]

I’m trying but most of my teams chase decoys or are allergic to the objective....

[lone jay]

And after learning and improving from going to this discord, I got to crystal

Here is the mindset I approached it with

Out of 10 games, 6 of those games I could win if i did my job right, 4 of those games I'm gonna auto lose

[wicked wolf]

I literally had a mch and whm last night chasing after the objective and attacking, no one else up, and the enemy were just walking the crystal into the goal

[lone jay]

The idea was simple: There are gonna be more games where my performance matters than when it doesn't

So just keep performing and improving when you hit a skill wall

I was hard stuck Diamond 5 cause I was just being bad

[neon bluff]

why should i use fire or ice attacks as blm over the other one

[lone jay]

But then I learned and improved and got to crystal

[wicked wolf]

I’m aware, but its YOUR ranking, not the team’s. Bads shouldn’t effect your score

I’m at 80 wins at gold 4...

Highest I got was gold 3 with 3 stars....

[lone jay]

I can see that, but this is a team game mode. I can feel you in your frustration, but you can either adapt to it or keep trying a strat that isn't working

[wicked wolf]

There’s just too much damn luck involved....

[lone jay]

I adapted to it by simply making my role be as impactful as possible

There were a good amount fo games where it didn't matter

[wicked wolf]

And i have no luck at all

[lone jay]

and I lost anyways

[patent gazelle]

Always use ice

Dont use fire

Fire kinda sucks

Like really

[wicked wolf]

My role requires teamplay

[lone jay]

But like I said, there will be more games where that impact matter than games where it doesn't

You really just have to improve your game and keep holding out with your impact to the team

[wicked wolf]

Then how do i get the games that don’t matter astronomically less often so I can actually climb

[sacred quail]

That must have been the team I was going against or a similar one. Easy win watching them sprint back to the crystal and we score. Rip

[lone jay]

Improve as a player to be more consistent in your contribution, just like I did. That's all I can really offer you if you want to climb

[wicked wolf]

i had a game that was 0-100 yesterday. in gold-platinum

[lone jay]

Yeah, so did I when I was at that rank, and I still kept making the effort to make my contribution noticeable

[wheat cargo]

Begging for win trading isn't the solution either

[lone jay]

^

[patent gazelle]

If youre good, the enemy team has 5 people that are potentially bad

[wheat cargo]

It just shows that you're salty

[wicked wolf]

yea but again, the morale battle is lost

[patent gazelle]

And your team has 4 people that are potentially bad

So

Yeah

[lone jay]

^^^

[wicked wolf]

the GMs don't give a damn and don't perma-ban the cheaters

[patent gazelle]

Just statistics

If youre good you climb

[wheat cargo]

The only constant in your games is you

[lone jay]

^

And that constant is something you can control and improve

to tip the odds in your favor

[neon bluff]

how do you use limit break

[lone jay]

It's an ability in job actions

[wicked wolf]

then how do i improve enough to win a 1v9 so i can hard carry as a NIN

[neon bluff]

so the same lb button as pve?

[wicked wolf]

the pvp menu, job actions. whatever icon has the cross swords.

each job's LB is named after the skill, not just "Limit Break" like PvE

[patent gazelle]

I mean ive posted a lot of tips for nin already

[sacred quail]

I agree. See what your teams doing and adapt. Helped me a ton

[patent gazelle]

Its in your pvp actions menu, its not a limit break icon like usual too

Theres two jobs i hate rn though

Pld and Blm

Stupid cover

[sterile ibex]

to fight or play

[patent gazelle]

And stupid freeze spam

[sterile ibex]

oh

[lone jay]

Improving your game sense is always a good start. The other thing that comes to mind depends on what your job is. I was playing DPS and they way I made my contribution noticeable before Diamond 5 was to just consistently perform enough damage and kills to the point where it could have been a victory

Like I said, I didn't win every time cause that's just how it rolls, but the games that I could have won, I did because I did my job right

[patent gazelle]

I still throw games hard as ninja

Even though i was top 2

Not anymore

Fell off

[lone jay]

rip

[patent gazelle]

[sterile ibex]

I don't throw games because I don't play ranked

[lone jay]

I use RDM when on ranked, but I like to use GNB in casual matches. Such a fun class

[neon bluff]

what classes are best for beginners

[lone jay]

But I cri that GNB isn't great. Atleast imo

[sterile ibex]

idk why but I despise gnb, despite loving mnk

[patent gazelle]

Gnb is fine now

I think its actually in a better spot than sam

I think sam probably is the worst class rn

[sterile ibex]

worse than dnc?

[patent gazelle]

The only thing sam has? Potential to flip games with zantet

Yeah

Dnc is pretty good now after buffs

[sterile ibex]

[patent gazelle]

Rpr too lmao

[lone jay]

I don't know much about the higher end of crystal since I'm not keeping up with it, so GNb might be absolutely fine, but GNB definitely feels lacking imo

[patent gazelle]

Good reapers

Damn

Always in lb

And hard to kill

[sterile ibex]

bro dueling good reapers is pain

[lone jay]

I did hear reapers got very good though

which is pog

[sterile ibex]

yeah lb buff is massive

[lone jay]

[sterile ibex]

they get lb at 45sec

which is wild

[lone jay]

Wow

that sounds crazy

[neon bluff]

whats the simplest jobs to play for pvp because strategizing with blm (my pve main) makes me confused

[patent gazelle]

Its absolutely crazy yeah

I think the simplest would be Whm, War, Rdm, Drg, Mch

For every 'role'

[lone jay]

But yeah, that's my scrub opinion about GNB.

[patent gazelle]

Though honestly smn is probably as simple as rdm but imo smn kinda lacking in CC

[lone jay]

Maybe I'm just missing something about it that I'm not using right

[patent gazelle]

Gnb isnt a tank

Its the 6th melee

[lone jay]

Yep

[patent gazelle]

[lone jay]

The tank with a DPS kit

🤣

Which is just weird cause it feels like I can't make a safe approach. If I just rough divide recklessly, that's just asking to get CC and dived

[patent gazelle]

Rough divide and then immediately guard to bait the cc

[lone jay]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[neon bluff]

i died in my first 10 secs of my first match

[lone jay]

Welcome to CC 🙂

[neon bluff]

i dont even know how to start off with my attacks

do i just spam fire/blizzard??

[lone jay]

I don't play BLM, so I can't help out with that, sorry ;-;

[patent gazelle]

Blizzard mostly

Dont use fire much

[neon bluff]

why blizzard

[patent gazelle]

It stacks freeze on enemies

When you use super flare you freeze them up to 3 seconds

[neon bluff]

i dont know when to use any of my other abilities either tho

[patent gazelle]

Every stack of blizzard = 1 second freeze

[neon bluff]

or how to do bursts

[patent gazelle]

Every stack of fire = 6, 9, 12 second dot

The dot is pretty weak so blizzard is way to go

Well just read your abilities for now

Its pretty straightforward

[neon bluff]

i already did

its confusing for me

hard to remember what everything does exactly

[patent gazelle]

Blizzard spells applies freeze, Fire spells apply burn

To activate need to use superflare

[neon bluff]

but everything else

[patent gazelle]

Paradox turns your 1 stack of freeze/burn into 3 immediately

Burst is a good aoe damage+shield

Aetherial manip is swiftcast+aetherial manipulation and can be targetted on enemies

Burst+Aetherial Manip into an group of enemies is usually a combo people do

[neon bluff]

also why cant i use party chat

[patent gazelle]

So no toxicity

[neon bluff]

i saw someone use it tho

this is really confusing for me

idk whats ever going on

[wheat cargo]

They have quickchat

Which is also on your pvp profile

Can make those buttons

[neon bluff]

this is so much information to take in all at once

its overloading me

[neon bluff]

my brain is fried

[teal shale]

you gotta get used to things in your own time

for now just focus on finding a safe spot to stand and cast

dont run from your team if someone dives you that will absolutely get you killed

[neon bluff]

how do i know whens the best time to cast this or that

im just spamming whatever comes to mind rn

[teal shale]

a general rule of thumb

if they are a melee

ice

ranged, fire

[neon bluff]

my brain is usually too confused about my own casts to even be able to think about what my enemys role is

[teal shale]

dw bout it then and just do ice

that will give your team dmg on whoever you freeze

you might have an easier time on summoner, its more straightforward than blm if that job is overwhelming atm

[neon bluff]

i dont even have smn unlocked

[teal shale]

well luckily it doesnt take long at all to get a job to 30 nowadays if thats something you wanna do

just know that blm is one of the more complicated classes in CC rn to play

v squishy and only 1 defensive spell

so lots of your early learning is gonna be positioning

[neon bluff]

should i just use mch instead

[teal shale]

and learning how to stay alive

up to you

if you enjoy mch sure

its gonna be a lil easier to learn on

[queen gyro]

dont you just love it when you cast DRG LB in the middle of the crystal and then the enemy team just walks into it one by one

is it that hard to see the marker

or am I just hyperconscious about enemy DRGs

[neon bluff]

feels like im consistently doing the worst out of every single player in the lobby

[echo solstice]

The secret is

Everyone is thinking the exact same thing

That they're the weak link of the team

[sterile ibex]

that seems like beta gamer energy

[neon bluff]

i have like the least kills, most deaths, and least assists every time tho

[echo solstice]

You did your best and did damage though.

[neon bluff]

least damage dealt too

[echo solstice]

When you're learning you need to give yourself an allowance in what you're capable of. Comparing scoreboard stats and saying I suck isn't a good way of doing that.

Most people don't stay long enough to even look at the board so really the only pressure that exists is all internal.

[restive grail]

It really is kinda hard to see when you have multiple people and effects going out on the point

[dense forge]

getting most objective time and most kills and still losing over and over…

The biggest culprit… OT.

OT = push the crystal. If you have less progression than the enemy, you LOSE if you aren’t pushing or contesting the crystal.

Went from Diamond 1 ⭐️⭐️⭐️ to Diamond 4 and I’d say at least 75% of my losses were from people thirsting for kills during OT and leaving the crystal.

…tl;dr - OT = PUSH THE CRYSTAL!!!!

[queen gyro]

you also dont want to be bunched up at all times, but at least one has to push the crystal

cuz you asking to get WAR/WHM combo'd

PLD in my team has 15 seconds total on the objective

bruh

[dense forge]

team leaves just me on crystal during OT
Enemy knockback + stun me off crystal

[queen gyro]

gotta love only realizing it was a 4v5 at the scoreboard screen

where the SAM was 0 0 0 0 in all scores

but wasnt at spawn

just hidden in some corner

[dense forge]

Have you got any spawn afkers yet?

[queen gyro]

this one went one step further

[dense forge]

I’ve had at least 5 matches in diamond with afkers

[queen gyro]

and found a nice corner to AFK in

[dense forge]

wow

[queen gyro]

so that no one would notice

[dense forge]

surely they won’t think I’m afk if I go hide somewhere - that guy

I also love when people spam “thank you” and “good match” if you die first during crystal unlock

[queen gyro]

"Push the crystal! Push the crystal!" -Guy not pushing crystal

[dense forge]

sToP bLaMinG rAnK on YoUr TeaMMatEs!!11

[cloud ore]

I tried so hard for my team

[cloud ore]

Bit late to the chat but I 100% agree. You got to mess around with the enemy team. The stun is just so good for that, double stunning people. I also find Doton so good in big fights. Keeping people in one spot just means your team mates can just destroy them with aoe

[subtle hornet]

What's the burst rotation for ninja then?

Trying out ninja, but I find I'm not doing as much damage as I should

[cloud ore]

If I really want to burst someone done. I tend to ( I can't remember or spell the names so forgive me) Bunshin, stealth assassination. Do your stun while doing your range attack.

The shuriken from your ninjitsu also slaps. It's a good finisher

You just gotta pick your battles really.

[queen gyro]

I tend to save my Shukuchi as an escape, playing outside the grid means minimal help from the team, and I can’t afford to use my only defensive tool for higher burst.

Usually the targets are turreting WHMs or ranged classes least likely to defend themselves

[subtle hornet]

[queen gyro]

It’s annoying that I can’t pick up health packs in stealth

Also it’s not like you’re playing like a ranged class, it just happens that your highest potency attack that can be bunshin’d is the shuriken

It can be used to poke when you can’t afford to be skulking around

[patent gazelle]

always initiate with bunshin and shukuchi

you have a ton of defensives to survive

and a ton of mobility with raiju

assasinate bunshin deals 18k damage

[queen gyro]

Now that the buff lasts 30 seconds I just keep it on before I approach

[patent gazelle]

strongest damage

[queen gyro]

Oh

[patent gazelle]

gcd

[queen gyro]

Assassinate procs bunshin

I didn’t know that

Is there any situation where the fireball is worth it

[patent gazelle]

when you can hit 2-3 targets

[queen gyro]

But wouldn’t it be better to secure a death with hyoton > LB

[patent gazelle]

if you can secure yeah

goka is aoe and does 20k total damage over 12 seconds

[subtle hornet]

[sullen mist]

Cotton, print screen functions in australia

[subtle hornet]

I noticed that the mudra has a cooldown before it can be used agaun? What's the duration?

[sullen mist]

You just have to rotate the image 180 degrees

[tulip tartan]

Alright, what is the proper way to play Paladin in PvP?

I always try to use Guardian in hopes that I save my teammate with Holy Sheltron. But I end up dying in under 3 seconds the moment I protect them

[patent gazelle]

when you use a mudra it gets sealed, you cant use that mudra until you use another.

no duration

[subtle hornet]

Ooooooh gotcha

[queen gyro]

imagine just being able to Raiju someone back to back

[subtle hornet]

I initially thought the shuriken ninjutsu could be spammed back to back, and was disappointed when it couldn't

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[sudden crest]

can someone tell me what biting wind is

and why it hit me for 15k twice in a row in guard

for some reason I can't get it to show in the battle log but

It says I lost guard earlier but I quite literally died to the 15kx2 before the guard ran out

[sinful tundra]

The tornados maybe?

[wheat cargo]

the tornados do 15k and push you

so you could have been in the path of one and then it pushed you further into its path

so you took 2 hits

[restive grail]

bro wtf this one monk just metoedived me three kills in a row

4 times killed by this one monk meteodiving me

all 5 of my deaths were to this one monk

[patent gazelle]

the only thing i hate about c9 is the tornados

that is mnk

he can just deceide to delete someone

[spiral brook]

I like C9’s layout, but hate the small tornados

[vapid flicker]

Still have no screwing idea for what exactly Bard should be good in CC

[sacred quail]

Being a ninja can be rough sometimes it seems. Had 1 warrior in the opposite team 2 times last night and every time I dove in they focused me hard af. Felt like a noodle.

[hallow imp]

Being a rdm is the epitome of noodle life

[sinful tundra]

Huh rdm is really good in pvp

[queen gyro]

Most teams who have been playing for a while recognize the snowballing potential of NIN. either you get focused or the SAM/DRG does.

Might need to join team fights late

[fading timber]

Yead did it last night, consistently did 700k dmg given team wasn’t outright throwing

Displacement powered verflare hits really hard

[amber escarp]

Ye it’s really strong

[sinful tundra]

I always go for the rdm or nin or drg

Even tho I’m drg and get targeted every time

[dense forge]

I feel like I get targeted a lot as MNK

which is great because riddle of earth

but still

[exotic kayak]

https://i.redd.it/jdskn3suqhx81.png

[sinful tundra]

yeah cos if u let monks do dps theyre inssane

[tulip tartan]

Ranked trolls? or just rage qutters?
Team died once and 2/5 people just stayed at the spawn and spammed "Sorry" or "good Match"

[dense forge]

Ranked trolls.

I’ve run in to at least 10 matches with people like that in diamond

[sacred quail]

O God the worst type of pvper 🤦‍♂️

[tulip tartan]

Man, I've been getting frustrated in losing Ranked matches. It's like the team is 20 steps ahead and once they get a good wipe, anyone who shows up is instantly stunned/polymorphed and wiped in a second

[carmine thicket]

Makes you wonder if the quene really is "random" tbh

[warm sedge]

yeah that's how it is if you don't coordinate a retake with your team

better to 5v5 than to 1v5 five separate times

[tulip tartan]

70% of the wipes my team turns into a run-and-fight without waiting. I'm just struggling to help the wave that has more than one. But at the same time they get distracted and ignore the lone dude who is pushing the Crystal

[tulip tartan]

After well over 100 matches of pvp

I can say WHM and NIN feel OP

[sage tundra]

I think the best bug I've had so far is when the crystal just randomly decided to be pushed to our own base instead of the enemy halfway down the line and it wouldnt stop and fix itself till everyone got off it

[versed lily]

i took a week off and checked the 6.11 patch notes, did they really nerf samurai dmg reduction by 25% but not touch dragoon at all

[tulip tartan]

I've played Dragoon a bit and the kit feels balanced

It's probably because of how easy it can be vs other classes that have a slightly harder combination between each skill. Dragoon pretty much just has spam buttons while making sure to roar in-between before boosting your damage

It's LB is pretty powerful. But half the time I use it, people just shield it or spread out

[sacred quail]

I've lost about 90% of my games. Idk what else I can do as a ninja. I'm getting kills. Try to hold point. Die once max if I die at all.

[sinful tundra]

Bad team rng?

Try using the quick chat to shout at ur team to do things like target someone, push the crystal, fall back etc

[sacred quail]

Ya I don't use the quick chats.

My avg games r about here lose or win

[sinful tundra]

Silver is like that

[amber escarp]

There are some good nin mentors in revival that do vod reviews. Can post your own vod there or look back at previous vod review posts for some pointers

The rest you’d have to join and look back to read old posts / post your own

Example of a video reply to a request for a vod review

https://youtu.be/7s7sHDN5s-A

[sacred quail]

Thx didn't realize this game was that try hard. But I'll check it out.

[amber escarp]

Well lots of folks are hard stuck with a loss rate like yours lol

So they’re usually looking for help yeah

Invite to revival in pins

[sacred quail]

Makes sense. I'll probly just quit at 25 series if it keeps going like this. Maybe mess around with a few other classes. I've checked out the pvp videos of all classes and got some basic understanding of most. Never realized people posted videos to review tho.. Could also be ninja just isn't for me as well. I might do better in center of fight dishing damage and holding crystal

[sterile ibex]

just stop doing ranked

[sacred quail]

Casual matches group me with anyone even crystals

But maybe you're right. Went from nothing to silver in very few wins. Actually learned my class and now can't get past silver 1. So huge skill gap increase

Edit: just Did a casual and was easy af. So ya thanks

But I do appreciate the help to everyone. Ive only been playing 3 weeks on total of this game. It's alot of fun. I come from pvp background so it gets frustrating sometimes

[amber escarp]

Do you know other jobs kits?

[restive grail]

Yeah I think that's a very important part of any asymmetrical PvP game

[sacred quail]

Nope :/. Only basics. I want to learn all but don't have time as i still have the msq to do and work real life. So I usually check out videos on them

But learning the big lbs seem tk be crucial. Just won another ranked so idk man maybe it's alot of rng

But I did take advice and called out my target and seemed to help as we easily wiped them

[vast crag]

yeah all team pvp games are like that

if you want to rank up, carry your team to victory

once you look at your team member mistake and got distracted, that's the beginning of the tilting phase

[sullen mist]

I've been testing out sch in cc, but does it taper off at higher levels? I have enjoyed it, despite its lack of dash movement and hard cc its quite survivable and deals a lot of sustained damage

[amber escarp]

Sch makes a good team better with the buff and debuff

So it really depends on that

[sullen mist]

That said pvp game design tends to either strongly favor burst or sustain, rarely both

Yeah I've had some total dogwater teams where no one is ever grouped enough for a buffed adlo

[amber escarp]

If I had to put it on a tier list it’s middle of the lack / slightly lower

Only because if your team is pepe you don’t have a win now button

It’s more of a win more job in solo queue

[sullen mist]

And had good teams where i basically stand on the crystal invincible throwing DoTs while they CC anyone who touches me

[amber escarp]

Yeah it’s a really good joke but due to the nature of solo queue in any PvP it’s tougher to capitalize on when skill level is random

Especially since the deploy buff is so short. If your team doesn’t take advantage of it then it’s a waste

Empowered spread bio is good though and it can yoink kills through guard

You can big brain and bio someone not guarded and spread tot he guarded

[sullen mist]

Was kind of curious how that worked

So it depends on the primary target?

[amber escarp]

Yeah it’s based off initial target

So you can still make plays like that

[sullen mist]

I assumed that but now I know for sure

[amber escarp]

It’s just… a lot of work when there are better solo queue carry jobs

But any job works if you really learn it

[sullen mist]

When someone is advancing under shield I'd target the person behind them and smack em with spread biolysis

[amber escarp]

Yeah it’s good for sure. Just impact is a bit slower to realize than something that can do more faster

[sullen mist]

My one gripe is broil feels like hitting with a pool noodle

But sch is also deceptively tanky

So it balances out

[amber escarp]

Most sch filler is weak ya. It’s still good though since a lot of times people escape with a sliver. So that little extra can secure a kill

Most healer filler *

But gcd filler in general is weak

[sullen mist]

True the real fun is breaking an enemy line in Frontline then overrunning their rout with 6+ scholars

Lmao

You get a dot

And yoooou get at a dot

[amber escarp]

Yeah it’s really nice. Tbh healer filler isn’t bad. They have a cast time but it’s 5k potency per gcd

[sullen mist]

Ever see a monk gapclose with 6 biolysis on him?

[amber escarp]

Meanwhile melee have to go 3>4>5 for the same@potency

[sullen mist]

Its a short jump

[amber escarp]

Ya sch is really good in fl with the spreads. I like sage though

People just don’t know how the lb works

[sullen mist]

See Frontline sage is

Use LB

Get polymorphed

?????

You will respawn in 5 seconds

[amber escarp]

That was fixed in the last patch

[sullen mist]

Oh good

That was stupid

[amber escarp]

Ya it was lol

[queen gyro]

that one time me and the enemy DRG just dueled each other at some empty corner of the map then proceeded to LB into each other's teams

[broken matrix]

They need to fix matchmaking and stop combining crystal and diamond players. The amount of crystal players trolling is insane.

[amber escarp]

I think MM is something that will always have problems in any game. There are games that are ONLY PvP and its the same complaint there too sadly

Best to accept it will never be perfect and just keeping improving. Then join some tournaments / host customs

[vast crag]

yeah, the difference in XIV is there's no derank

so like if you are in Crystal, and have no goal in mind to improve, you could just troll all day and still not get punishment for it

but It's a huge generalisation, since these people could be on your team or on the opponent team

I wouldn't mind if people who doesn't deserve their title anymore to get derank

but I'm just afraid It will become too toxic like other pvp games

[queen gyro]

Is the solution to separate the pool? Like expert roulette but for pvp

[vast crag]

I've never seen other pvp games that actually seperate the rank

how it works in other pvp games like dota is if there's not enough player pool, you could get matched from 2k-5k MMR range, as long as the average number of each team is more or less close to each other

so if there's a crystal player on other team, there would be a crystal player in your team

that even things out

but the range here doesn't seem pretty bad

[broken matrix]

Had 1 crystal on my team vs 4 on theres

so, no, its not really even

[queen gyro]

The tower system in GG Strive is interesting, but not sure how feasible in 5v5s.

The floors you climb are a hard divide between the players you can face

And you can fall off or climb depending on how you do

[vast crag]

yeah I have no idea

[amber escarp]

A lot of games don't ahve derank though

Apex you can't demote from a tier

[vast crag]

ic ic

[amber escarp]

it's just a common complaint with pvp since solo queue will never be fair compared to premade queues

I think for a casual game this is a good middle ground. It's very similar to duel links and getting to kog

you try hard with meta comps then once you get there people do pepega decks lol

problem is SE released top 100 for whatever reason

[vast crag]

afaik if you want to jump from MMR climbing to be hired to E-Sports team in Dota, the team would never check the party MMR rank

[amber escarp]

I was truly expecting no top 100 and just solo queue the way i explained. Then they do "competitive seasons" where during X and Y times / days you can queue as a 5 man premade

[vast crag]

pure solo queue is the only way to determine your individual skills

[amber escarp]

I honestly didn't want ranked at all outside of LP tournaments both community ran and SE ran

Solo queue is just always going to be a hot mess. Especially in a more casual game like FFXIV

[queen gyro]

I used to pvp in another MMO back in the day called The Secret World where people on the forums kept calling for the banning of premade groups because their coordination gave them a heavy advantage over solo queue.

[vast crag]

yeah mixing solo and party is messed up

It's also a pure number games

[sacred quail]

Yall need to know the pain of pokemon unite. That game has got the worst solo q system ever

[queen gyro]

Oh no

[vast crag]

as long as you keep your winrate above 50%, you will climb no matter what

so it's mostly decided on how well you know if you are tilting or not

if you tilt, either take a break or move to casual MM

if you have full focus, play ranked again

[dense forge]

TFW ranking to Diamond 1 twice now and still not hitting crystal

[amber escarp]

[dense forge]

[sacred quail]

Was almost gold than went against a group of platinums 😅 bound to fail

[sterile ibex]

i had a game in plat 1 where i was in a team full of crystals

I didnt even do bad and we still got completely rolled

[exotic kayak]

I'm still in Bronze.

[wheat cargo]

i hard streaked into diamond

and now i feel like i'm in the wrong place

so i'm just taking my games slow to try and learn how to play new things

[queen gyro]

There should be a new quick chat command for "Fuck fuck look up there's a DRG falling from orbit right above your heads"

[queen gyro]

I can only imagine thats how the enemy PLD feels when he intercepts me then I LB to the rest of his team

[strong viper]

yo im new on the pvp thing, is there any point to the pvp gear?

[spiral brook]

Glamour/looks

[subtle hornet]

The amount of people in gold and platinum who don't know how to shield when you see the DRG LB marker pop up

[queen gyro]

I wonder if you can just outsprint it

when applicable of course

[tulip tartan]

Most people just insta-heal right after the Dragoon LB hits

[sinful tundra]

Drg lb AFTER turbulence is op as fuck

Cos at that point everyone used guard and if they didn’t, they’re already around 50%

[tulip tartan]

Yeah, but not many people are coordinated

White Mage is currently OP

[sinful tundra]

I main drg in pvp so when my lb is up I literally click “limit break ready” like 3 times

Just to let my team know in case they have it as well

[fading timber]

I have been enjoying RDM in pvp lately

[amber escarp]

When you're playing ranked CC and 2 games in a row you get at least 1 teamate who ends the match with 0 dmg dealt.❤️ I love CC.

[patent gazelle]

Tbh this is what pvp rn is at high end crystal

Much more balanced than before

[wheat cargo]

the nerf to war sustain was fair

still feels fine to play

[amber escarp]

RDM is so nutty lol i had my entire team get 1 shot by 1 RDM, twice.

Monks are assholes though.

[solar moss]

whenever you hear zwerchau, you know it's guarding time

[wooden grove]

[weary inlet]

Id argue that DRK is better than WAR right now even

[tulip tartan]

SAM is pretty much the Banzai

they try their best to take as many people out as they can with their aoe wipe

I wouldn't consider Dragoon S tier though. They're pretty squishy if you focus on them with dashes and stuns

[patent gazelle]

I think theyre about even drk and war

[tulip tartan]

Also Sage is secret S tier

[patent gazelle]

Drk has more staying power

While War has a lot of offensive support pressence

Sge is super good yeah

That lb is amazing ever since whm fixes

[tulip tartan]

The Sage can spam debuffs and their Pneuma can sometimes wipe while getting the whole team in one hit

I once got a quad with pneuma

Most DMG as sage :y

[dense forge]

multiple jobs that can OHK an entire team exist

MNK (who can only single target LB) are assholes though

sad MNK noises

[sterile ibex]

it wasn't ranked but I once did 2mil damage as sge though

[dense forge]

My best was like 1.4mil dmg with MNK

but it was a super long match

I’ve gotten over 3mil with SCH in frontlines

but frontlines is kinda cheating

[sterile ibex]

here's the game

[dense forge]

27/27 50%/50.1%

what a close game

[sterile ibex]

9:37

[tulip tartan]

Yeah, Monk can pretty much destroy anyone with the popular combo
Six-sided Star → Rising Phoenix → Enlightenment → Meteodrive

Maybe a dash to start things off

It's what I use to yeet the OP White mages

[dense forge]

feels like half of the time it leaves the enemy with like 5% hp

[tulip tartan]

I've yet to find anyone to survive that

[dense forge]

I’ve had it happen pretty often

idk if maybe its lag or something

[sterile ibex]

I mean it does 51k

[dense forge]

exactly

it should be a OHK

[sterile ibex]

could be living a bit

[tulip tartan]

Messed up the combo?

[dense forge]

nope

[sterile ibex]

tbf it's really hard to mess it up when the bulk of your damage comes from enlight > ult

[dense forge]

top rank was diamond 1, at least 200 matches played

[tulip tartan]

Cool

[dense forge]

I’d notice if I wiffed the combo

[sterile ibex]

man said cool 💀

[dense forge]

and it has happened quite a bit

yeah so edgy

cool bruh

want a popoto?

[tulip tartan]

I can barley get out of Gold 4. I win some and lose a lot. Bad teammates

[sterile ibex]

just keep going

[tulip tartan]

My last match I had the WHM rush the enemies with a polymorph which encouraged everyone to also rush and get wiped

then they pretty much just kept running the objective one at a time

I can handle most situations pretty well but things get tough when it turns to a 1v5

cool

[sterile ibex]

if you're persistent enough you can climb

if I can do it you can too

[tulip tartan]

I try, but when I'm one star away to ranking up I just get bad pairings

[sterile ibex]

like I said
persistence is key when it's almost rng how fast you climb

[patent gazelle]

Mnk is the only job that can 100-0 someone consistently as long as you know what ypure doing

Mnk is in a great spot tbh

[tulip tartan]

ye

Monk is good for picking out enemies rather than trying to AOE a crowd

[sterile ibex]

or just being tanky

[tulip tartan]

Tough if people start stunning you constantly

With polymorph being a death sentence

[patent gazelle]

Better check enemy debuffs and hp

Buffs*

Mits and shields can save em

[merry rock]

mnk is op, can do all even hard aoe layer

[dense forge]

Three aoe skills, one is at the end of a 7-part combo, one has two charges, and one requires you to take damage

other jobs can aoe much more effectively than monk :/

[patent gazelle]

Drg, Rpr and sam imo does aoe better

But delete button ever 60 seconds is still a good tool to have

[dense forge]

when it works ofc

MNK is bruiser assassin. High HP, decent survival tools, decent movement kit, great single target burst, “good” aoe burst

[merry rock]

I mean if you line up everything and dont blindly throw things rp pr, rp en consumes a ton of mp

[real cloak]

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[merry rock]

It helps and you can compete with drg and sams I promise

just gotta micro your kit

[amber escarp]

Grats

[dense forge]

I mean my issue is team comp. I’m sure someone will post the “scroll of truth” meme about team RNG, but I honestly have no idea what to do about losses where my team is thirsting in OT and not pushing the crystal and ignoring “Push the Crystal” quickchat, its the reason for almost all of my losses.

[wheat cargo]

Pushing the crystal as a ranged

I'll do it if it's safe

But it's pretty bad when it's ot contesting unless there's basically no one else and you need to stall

[dense forge]

idgaf what job you are, if its OT and we don’t have more progress on crystal, we LOSE if we aren’t contesting or pushing

I’d rather you die on crystal and we lose, than to see 2-3 people thirsting for kills and lose OT

[wheat cargo]

Trickling isn't necessarily the right play either

But going on the crystal when it matters is fine

[dense forge]

again, if its “be on the crystal or lose” then the only play is be on crystal, even if its 1v5

but like I said, most often its people thirsting for kills during OT that loses the game

not trickling on to the crystal

the typical “treat objective mode like TDM” that plagues a lot of pvp games

[queen gyro]

Sometimes you have no choice but to trickle, you can’t afford the next 20 seconds to regroup, so it’s make or break

Cases like that

[sacred quail]

Ninja best crystal pushers 😅😭

[subtle hornet]

I legit had someone use the fall back and regroup chat command during OT when were losing...

[dense forge]

I think the real issue is people don’t seem to understand either:
-The UI for CC

or

-How OT works

[subtle hornet]

I know I'm not the best, but get me out of gold hell

Prefer the games when I get paired with platinum players, because at least they know how CC works...

[dense forge]

I still have… clueless players in Diamond

[valid trench]

who is balancing pvp dude?? purify is so dogshit

why does purify exist if theres like 5 forms of cc that u cant purify that 1shot u and its 30sec ability

can we make stun be stopable on dmg?

its like u try to chase someone down, but u cant sprint cuz ur one pressing abilities and if u dont have CC u basically cant EVER chase them down so like

who thought of this?

and it having 0 cd really?

[queen gyro]

If they’ve sprinted out of your reach, they’re not in the Crystal.

[valid trench]

yeah tell that to whm that basically runs and gets free LB every30sec then comes back and gets free win

cuz whole group is on crystal>group stun>recipe for loss

or just include poly in purify?

[queen gyro]

If the situation comes down to a single player’s ability to fight a white mage instead of the white mage dying in the team fight, something has went horribly wrong

[valid trench]

how would u kill white mage in teamfight when hes ranged sitting behind backlines?

and him having poly and heal so basically u approach him u go disabled mode?

thing is: even if 2 people focus down whm, they purify one, press spring and whoop they run

but u all really are fine with how sprint currently works?

punishing for chasing down and rewarding longer teamfights

[queen gyro]

It hasn’t caused me problems, what class are you playing

[valid trench]

drg mnk sam reaper

[queen gyro]

Seems like among all of those MNK is the only suitable one to go after a backliner

[valid trench]

and with how purify works nah i can never focus down a whm in tf

then if u dont focus whm they'd pump up heals, polys and LBs so ull almost never kill frontline tank

i just want sprint and purify hotfix man

[queen gyro]

As MNK you can force WHM to pay attention to you instead of your team, if not outright kill them, they can’t ignore you and you can stick to them.

NIN is also good at that

Not sure about SAM but DRG shouldn’t really be diving for backliners, they’ll have trouble finishing them off, even with the Nastrond

[valid trench]

as mnk u can press dash on WHM then they poly u and press sprint run away, this has happened to me multiple times

[queen gyro]

Poly’s most troublesome is when it’s used to finish off someone

If they are forced to use it defensively they have a long window before they can do it again

[deft oriole]

PvP is pretty balanced atm tbh

[queen gyro]

By that point you can probably 100-0 them as MNK before it comes back unless other things go wrong

And they can go wrong, because matches can be unpredictable

[deft oriole]

Some jobs are better at noob killing, but at high ranks they fall off

[valid trench]

and ur oppertunity to actually getting close to them in next window is drastically less cause they have team peeling for them

let alone opportunity to get close then poly>LB whm

just include poly in purify?

also purify being 30s ability with 5s windup, so 25s and most CCs are 15-20s cd

[queen gyro]

Just delete WHM tbh

[valid trench]

and trust me ive attempted full dmg combo multiple times but u get poly in middle of combo then they get back to full health and as MNK the next time u can 100-0 them is longer then poly CD

[deft oriole]

You can guard through poly btw

Just expect it and play around it

Poly is very powerful yeah but it doesn’t win the game by itself

[valid trench]

its just annoying as shit ngl

[deft oriole]

Other option is group up against WHM

Adapt and overcome

[valid trench]

but yeah sprint is on lower side of issue can ik why is purify "technically" 25s ability cd with most CCs being 15-20

WHM aside

[deft oriole]

If you could purify every cc that’s thrown at you then cc would be pretty useless

[valid trench]

or just give deminishing returns on CC

[deft oriole]

I really don’t think that’s needed tbh

[valid trench]

you ok with being stunned for 5+seconds?

[dense forge]

MNK is great for poking backline

[deft oriole]

Plan and coordinate better

[dense forge]

just don't get caught up

chasing is a sin

[deft oriole]

If you’re stunned for 5+ seconds you got outplayed.

[valid trench]

what

[deft oriole]

People coordinated that.

[dense forge]

nothing stuns for 5s straight is what he is saying

[deft oriole]

Purify would work in that situation btw

[dense forge]

you got teamed up on

[valid trench]

CC chain and group CCs exist

[deft oriole]

Yeah that’s coordinated

You got outplayed

[dense forge]

yeah I try to save my CC for right after someone gets poly or stunned

right after it wears off**

chain it

[deft oriole]

They had to play well as a team to do that to you

[dense forge]

use target markers

focusing people is the best way to kill the enemy

[valid trench]

u just said chasing is sin

[deft oriole]

Yes

[valid trench]

then how do u kill front enemy liner if their healer is always alive?

[deft oriole]

That’s different

Invade their backline

[valid trench]

if u chase healer u get punished?

[deft oriole]

But don’t chase into a position where you’re vulnerable

[dense forge]

^

[deft oriole]

Requires developing an instinct for it

[valid trench]

u cant even chase because of how sprint works

or poly

[deft oriole]

Know when you’re safe and when you’re not

[dense forge]

you invade to burn their MP

[deft oriole]

Of course you can chase

[dense forge]

if you can finish it, great

if not, don't go chasing forever

[valid trench]

what

[deft oriole]

What’s confusing

[dense forge]

like if someone is low and has no MP then chase em

[deft oriole]

Look, you can’t follow overly-simple rules of thumb in CC

[valid trench]

didnt we just say WHM has poly that denies u from chasing or getting in? then u cant also get in next time cause their team peels them

[dense forge]

nothing is cut and dry

[deft oriole]

There are many factors to consider when determining the best course of action

[valid trench]

so how are u supposed to chase?

[dense forge]

I'm a monk

:V

[deft oriole]

Work with your teammates

[dense forge]

Dashes for days my friend

[valid trench]

yeah am d3 mnk too bro

[deft oriole]

Play smart

Bait poly

[valid trench]

fucking WHM is still in every game and is fucking overly annoying

[spiral brook]

Gold hell is real.

[dense forge]

WHM is annoying yes

[spiral brook]

Good thing I don’t care about rank anymore

[valid trench]

because of exactly that

[spiral brook]

[valid trench]

POLY is unstoppable if u dash in

[deft oriole]

Poly is powerful but you can overcome it if you’re a better player

[valid trench]

how?

[deft oriole]

No it isn’t

[valid trench]

how can u overcome something u cant cleanse

[deft oriole]

Bait it man

Bait it with guard

Or just bring a friend

[dense forge]

dash in and pop guard

[valid trench]

and that is done

[dense forge]

let them waste cooldowns

[valid trench]

they can also bait u

WHMs stopped spamming poly on dahses after plat

[deft oriole]

Yeah that’s how PvP footsies work

Mind games

[valid trench]

then how

[deft oriole]

Develop an instinct

[valid trench]

so u just wait or read in future of how WHM poly works

[deft oriole]

Yes

[valid trench]

instead of nerfing that ability?

[dense forge]

either bait with guard

[deft oriole]

Anticipating the enemy is an important skil

[valid trench]

oh yah they stun u with ult as group

[dense forge]

or dash + stun + RP + Enlightenment

[deft oriole]

Watch lb bars to determine when they have lb

[valid trench]

ur saying in perfect 1v1 sentence?

[deft oriole]

And then play accordingly when that threat is up

[valid trench]

you are fighting a team peeling whm

[deft oriole]

What are you talking about

[valid trench]

they arent gonna look at u hitting their healer?

[dense forge]

maybe

maybe not

[valid trench]

reading a whm and predicting?

[deft oriole]

Dude.

[valid trench]

cause ur gonna be busy dealing with another DPS or tank

[deft oriole]

PvP is about outplaying the other team tactically

[dense forge]

boil it down more

[deft oriole]

I kill whms all the time

It’s not that hard

[valid trench]

yeah except rolls are randomized here

classes are randomized

[deft oriole]

Yeah so?

Stop blaming the WHM for your losses and work on self improvement

[valid trench]

so your TF significantly drops based on what classes u have, its about taking down

[deft oriole]

Your what?

[valid trench]

man this is problem with pvp discussions, nvm

[deft oriole]

PvP classes are pretty well balanced so comp isn’t a big issue

Not after the balance patch

[dense forge]

I mean a lot of things "can" happen

you have to react

you have to plan ahead

thats PVP

[valid trench]

what balance patch? whm still spams LB, mch still has RNG 1shots

[deft oriole]

Your comebacks have been essentially “what if the other team is better than us”

In which case yeah you’re gonna lose

[dense forge]

I mean not always

[deft oriole]

MCH rng is bad but you’ll never see it in high rank unless they’re extremely desperate

[dense forge]

they could slip up

[deft oriole]

MCH isn’t that strong

[valid trench]

?

[deft oriole]

What’s to be confused about

[dense forge]

MCH doesn't see much play in Diamond/Crystal

[valid trench]

d3+ every 2teams has MCH here

[dense forge]

Wat

[deft oriole]

I don’t believe that tbh

[valid trench]

ok dont my match history says so

[deft oriole]

MCH is a lower tier job frankly

[dense forge]

I see them but not every team every match

[valid trench]

yeah they are until u realize they can 1shot a 55k hp target in less then sec

[deft oriole]

No that changes nothing

They are a lower tier job

They’re ok

[valid trench]

ok bro

[deft oriole]

They’re not a huge threat

[dense forge]

chainsaw is what... 3% chance?

[deft oriole]

And it’s not a good option on their part to use chainsaw

[valid trench]

definitely

[deft oriole]

They usually use drill or air anchor instead

[dense forge]

I don't think I've ever been OHK by chainsaw in my entire CC match history

[deft oriole]

They’d have to be desperate to use chainsaw

Because the chances are so against them

Now the rng kill shouldn’t exist don’t get me wrong

It’s a poor design

But don’t pretend it’s a huge threat

Because it’s not

Drill is a bigger threat.

Because it’s consistently a high hitting attack.

Anyway MCH isn’t a huge problem

[dense forge]

drill is most common thing I get hit with

and LB ofc

[deft oriole]

And as for whm lb, it’s only every 60s and you can watch lb bars and be ready for it

Staying spread out as a team is very important

[dense forge]

can't you stun WHM LB?

[valid trench]

fyi people dont need to coordinate for CC beacuse in higher elos potential damage dealers are always prio, so when u cleanse a 15s stun ability and ur DRG but for next 25second ability people will stun u multiple+ times

[deft oriole]

You can

That is coordination dude

[valid trench]

wooow now ur telling us to communicate

with no communication chat

[deft oriole]

?????

At high rank all good teammates will understand these concepts without needing to be told

[dense forge]

target markers, countdown timers, number markers

quick chat also has

[valid trench]

this is overwatch all over again bro, in solo queue people expect u to perfectly coordinate with strangers

[dense forge]

Attacking, guarding, and blocking target

[valid trench]

cause yeah

[deft oriole]

Yeah it works fine

[valid trench]

u can communicate a lot

[deft oriole]

I’ve been doing it

You can coordinate fine

[wheat cargo]

Idk what to say

[patent gazelle]

Idk

[deft oriole]

Quick chat could use a few more phrases but

[patent gazelle]

I just hit what has least mp and hp

Ez

[deft oriole]

It’s not impossible

[valid trench]

could and could

[patent gazelle]

Just feel

[wheat cargo]

Chainsaw isn't a desperation button it's literally good aoe damage even without the outskill%

[patent gazelle]

Think

[deft oriole]

There’s not much more I can say except get good

[valid trench]

dude ur not gonna perfectly coordinate with every random team with quick chat LET ALONE coordinate

[deft oriole]

Like not to be rude

[wheat cargo]

Mch isn't that good either

[deft oriole]

But you’re blaming everything but yourself

[valid trench]

cause not even games with Voice comms

[deft oriole]

When others are doing fine with it

[dense forge]

ofc you aren't going to perfectly coordinate

[valid trench]

get communication

[deft oriole]

With every job too

[valid trench]

then how do u expect us to do so?

[dense forge]

the enemy team isn't either

[valid trench]

thats why the discussion goes all over back to purify being "25" sec ability CD and ur DRG and they all focus you hard

they dont need coordination

[deft oriole]

That is coordination

[valid trench]

cause most CCs are 15-20s

they can SPAM IT

[deft oriole]

😔

[valid trench]

cause the next time they do u wont have purify

[dense forge]

if you use "attacking target" + countdown timer marker on your target, your team will most likely focus that target

[valid trench]

and thats what i mean

[patent gazelle]

Be in positions where you wont die even if you dont have purify

[dense forge]

esp in diamond play

[deft oriole]

If they’re focusing you that’s coordination

Doesn’t necessarily need to be verbal

[valid trench]

thats every elo and every game main DPS gets focused and our discussion goes back to cleanse being bad

[deft oriole]

Maybe they’re all aware enough to coordinate like that without talking about it

[patent gazelle]

And know when to purify

[deft oriole]

Btw it’s not elo ranking

[dense forge]

there is usually more than one "main dps"

[patent gazelle]

When its just a lone pld just stunning you

Youre in no danger

[valid trench]

wym when? you get CCd you get potentailly dead within 2-3seconds if u dont ur dead

[deft oriole]

That’s not true really

[patent gazelle]

Awareness

[deft oriole]

If you’re in that position it’s probably your bad

[valid trench]

what

you are bad for stunned and dead within 2-3s?

[patent gazelle]

If a pld is the only 1 hitting u

[deft oriole]

Don’t put yourself in vulnerable positions

[patent gazelle]

And u get stunned by them

[valid trench]

i barely see PLDs lol

[patent gazelle]

Just dont purify for example

Warrior

Replace it with low pressure enemies with cc

[deft oriole]

Warrior won’t kill you off one stun

[patent gazelle]

Applies to anyone like that

[valid trench]

when war stuns u they are more likely to have focusing u as whole team

[deft oriole]

so they coordinated and played better than you, who was standing in a vulnerable position

[patent gazelle]

I guess this is the nin diff

Be so far away to bait enemies off point

[valid trench]

so where do u stand if not on crystal

[patent gazelle]

Dude

[valid trench]

as DRG

[deft oriole]

Dude

[patent gazelle]

Standing on the crystal is like

A death sentence to everyone if too long

[deft oriole]

You’re in diamond right?

[patent gazelle]

Weave in and out of it

[spiral brook]

I kinda wish Purify had a short buffer duration to it where it’d work like Warden’s Paean, but it feels decent for the most part.

[deft oriole]

Don’t spend your time babysitting the crystal

[valid trench]

yeah, except the sec u go in as dRG people KILL YOU

[deft oriole]

Awareness

[valid trench]

what

[patent gazelle]

[deft oriole]

Stop blaming everything except yourself

[valid trench]

god this is pvp discussions

[patent gazelle]

I go in as ninja every time

I initiate every fight as nin

[deft oriole]

If you always find PvP discussions like this then you’re the common denominator

[valid trench]

as nin u can go invis and u got cc chain

[deft oriole]

If other people don’t have the same problems you do despite playing the same job at the same rank

Then the problem is with your play

[patent gazelle]

Yeah but all the focus is on me as soon as I reveal myself

[valid trench]

ofc otally not pvp games that often do this are more likely to have dwindling player base

[deft oriole]

Not the game mode

[patent gazelle]

You have backflip

[valid trench]

over time yes

[wheat cargo]

you have horrid roar

can jump in and guard to bait stuff too

[deft oriole]

So again I say stop blaming everything other than yourself

[wheat cargo]

there's more than one tactic than just unga

[valid trench]

expect every player to perfectly coordinate with their team and yeah allow CC chain mechanics to be often

cause thats fun

[deft oriole]

Coordinating with team is easy

At high ranks you don’t need to talk about it

Because most players know how to play what’s best for the team

No one said “perfect” coordination so don’t put words in our mouths

[valid trench]

what

[spiral brook]

Yeah I’m definitely not ready for gold at all, lucky win streak got me there.

[deft oriole]

And quit pretending you don’t understand what we say

[spiral brook]

And everyone is suddenly very good

[valid trench]

no they dont

[wheat cargo]

i'm in diamond for the same reason'

[valid trench]

they defintely dont

[wheat cargo]

i've taken my time to relearn stuff in another role

its been fun

[valid trench]

and thats me palying over 30-40 games in dia

[wheat cargo]

d3 now

[deft oriole]

In my experience they do

[spiral brook]

I think I might focus more on AST/RDM/WHM

[deft oriole]

If you keep losing maybe it’s you who’s not playing what’s best for your teammates

[valid trench]

they DONT, focus is chaotic even if u number,

[deft oriole]

You gotta stop focusing outwards

[wheat cargo]

idk if you were in staff chat when i showed my 17 win streak from s2 to d5 wynne

[valid trench]

alright dude

[deft oriole]

It’s pointless ranting

[spiral brook]

MCH is losing a bit of its appeal with the more coordinated people are getting

I saw parts of it

[deft oriole]

If everyone else says they can do it fine

Then you are the outlier.

Work on your tactics

[spiral brook]

Except me, but I know it’s because I don’t really pvp. :D

[patent gazelle]

Mch is worse than brd tbh

[spiral brook]

Yeah bards are suddenly scary now

[wheat cargo]

yo bard is so fun

because i don't even have to think about when i lb

[spiral brook]

Bronze/Silver bards had pants on their head

[wheat cargo]

other than don't do it in a dumb spot

because its mega free lb