and the way that theres no decay with a dying playerbase meant that when you reach the rank you want you bascially can just chill and wont fall off.
#archived-player-vs-player
patent gazelle
shadow adder
yeah first time seeing drop, got both achievement minion tho
lone jay
Ty for the correction. I was thinking of the wrong minions
lone jay
Are there more pvp related drops the fenrir pup?
spiral brook
Just that one in terms of rng loot after a game
autumn sleet
nin lb doesn't add to your dmg if it kills
patent gazelle
well kills still
sterile ibex
it adds like 10k damage 
patent gazelle
doesnt even do damage when it executes
viscid reef
Which role is best for camping on the payload?
I don't think I have the game sense to do anything else
sage topaz
Which role is best for camping on the payload?
tbh not really a role can carry you as much
some jobs are better than others like rdm is still viable, war, whm, sam even reaper now
to climb is mostly rng cause its dependent if you're team can coordinate together to play objectively
its a gacha system basically 
sage is the most OP imo its crazy good in overtime which most games tend to go towards
viscid reef
I just don't want to feel ineffectual when trying to do something, is all 
sage topaz
I just don't want to feel ineffectual when trying to do something, is all <a:Lay...
just play what you enjoy
the system is intended to give you crystal rank regardless of what your skill level is in pvp
viscid reef
I don't even play ranked
sage topaz
casual is nice
viscid reef
just play what you enjoy
I started with BLM, but got tired of LoS always breaking
NIN is my main in frontline
sage topaz
frontline kinda shitty rn
its all AOE ults happening from whms and smnrs
unbearable to play 
nin is good in crystal conflict
sage topaz
ehhhh
patent gazelle
Nah lb is just icing
sage topaz
the most op melee is reaper rn lol
patent gazelle
Rpr 
You wont even need lb to secure kills as nin
Its just there for you to snowball harder
sage topaz
ninja is only r1 cause its viable in certain maps like bomber man
viscid reef
shukuchi outta dodge
sage topaz
the top classes in top 10 are the following
rdm
nin
rdm
whm
thats it
the only reason they are high rating cause of the bugs that guard wouldnt even apply towards certain abilities
sage topaz
its not supposed to hit through guard at full potency
patent gazelle
If you mitigate a tank buster in pve with mits that also has a dot attached to it
The dot is mitigated
sage topaz
wut
sage topaz
you cant mitigate it cause its bugged...
sage topaz
it was even announced under resolved issues
sterile ibex
you can't mitigate it if the dot is already on you
sage topaz
in the patch
patent gazelle
Ever since arr
sage topaz
you can't mitigate it if the dot is already on you
its not prior
patent gazelle
Wut
sage topaz
bruh
sage topaz
resolved
patent gazelle
Cause this is how the game worked since arr
sterile ibex
looked for myself too 
sage topaz
An issue wherein execution of the PvP action Guard together with other damage reducing actions prevented all incoming damage.
patent gazelle
And it doesnt matter what state you are in after.
sterile ibex
what
sage topaz
this was cause of rdm
sterile ibex
sage topaz
bro
sterile ibex
that's because of pld lb
sage topaz
no its not
sterile ibex
yes it is
sterile ibex
An issue wherein execution of the PvP action Guard together with other damage re...
damage reducing actions
pld lb, frazzle, ast lb
wait
sage topaz
pld isnt the only one with dmg reducing abilities
sterile ibex
not frazzle
sage topaz
bro
patent gazelle
The resolved issue is said guard+damage reducing abilites
patent gazelle
Can u even read
sage topaz
no duh
sterile ibex
anything that makes the player take less damage
sage topaz
Can u even read
you dont even understand it
sterile ibex
and not enemies do less damage
patent gazelle
No youre the one that doesnf understand it
sterile ibex
you aren't he one understanding here
patent gazelle
It doesnt have anything to do with the dots
Its interaction of guard+ mitigations
sterile ibex
anything that gives mit could be stacked with gaurd to make it 100% damage reduction
sage topaz
its not about dots about guard being bugged having other mitigations ontop of it
sterile ibex
which was fixed
patent gazelle
anything that gives mit could be stacked with gaurd to make it 100% damage reduc...
^
sterile ibex
that has literally nothing to do with dots
sage topaz
i said guard was bugged
sage topaz
i gave an example with rdm dot
sterile ibex
and are trying to double back on yourself
sage topaz
im not
sterile ibex
sage topaz
you can scroll up
sterile ibex
rdm dot is bugged
you can scroll up
sage topaz
i would guard prior to the combo giving the dot
it hits at full pot
thats not intended
patent gazelle
No thats just server ticks fucking u up
sterile ibex
yeah
sage topaz
no i mean i hit it prior to them even corpsing me
sterile ibex
welcome to ff bud
how's the game so far
patent gazelle
Game doesnt detect you being in guard state yet even though in your screen youre guarding
wheat cargo
That statement doesn't represent what you were discussing earlier
patent gazelle
Im almost #1 ninja in crystal
wheat cargo
Which is how dots snapshot in this game
wheat cargo
Which is it checks the buffs and debuffs active at the time of application
It's just actor ticks don't always align with rotation
sterile ibex
sadly not hots
wheat cargo
So it's always the scenario that people are pressing guard too late
And it's already snapped for full damage
hallow lark
Can you derank from crystal back down to diamond 1 if you lose in ranked cc?
wary nymph
teal shale
<:Husk:850636942000390144>
mood
sinful tundra
we love to see it
valid trench
plat1 games and healer that heals 15k, wintraders i suppose?
dapper kestrel
Hello everyone, how is the pvp community?
silent wedge
Some people just don’t know how to heal I suppose
teal shale
Hello everyone, how is the pvp community?
its fine
valid trench
Some people just don’t know how to heal I suppose
1 single button press in high elo?
sterile ibex
gold
also that's like phlegma and toxi only 
im pretty sure haima counts as healing since shield, and no kardia atleast
silent wedge
Gold isn’t exactly high enough Elo for people to play good
Just hope he’s your opponent next game for easy wins
subtle hornet
Gold isn’t exactly high enough Elo for people to play good
Mood
pseudo violet
Gold isn’t exactly high enough Elo for people to play good
Rank has nothing to do with people playing good lol. there are people in bronze on my alt who out perform people I've seen in crystal
silent wedge
people in a higher rank are more likey to know how to play their class, i say gold isnt high enough because in like 10 wins you're in gold
fringe tiger
Fucking don't want a DNC on my team
Class still useless
I love how the team I get matched with is all about focusing me, but my team won't do shit to focus their RDM
Seriously needs a skill-based matchmaking in this game
not fucking rank-based and shove shit in your face if your crystal rating gets too high
Yup there it is again
I just get focused as soon as I go in despite everyone else already fighting each other
Idgaf what anyone says. RDM needed that extra damage and the nerf was bullshit
subtle hornet
Question actually
Had a platinum 1 black mage
As soon as the fight starts they go deep into enemy territory solo
And then obv die because they're deep in enemy territory solo
Is that a valid strategy in platinum or is it just hell
pseudo violet
just a moron
subtle hornet
silent wedge
probably thought he had a melee combo
honest trellis
Or trying to bait people into chasing him?
silent wedge
we'll never know, black mages skill ceiling is too high
honest trellis
I was thinking of trying it out, but I like monk bullying too much
subtle hornet
He was deep in the enemy backline...
And then spammed nice job because we lost when we're effectively 4v5 
Plus on black mage
Melee I understand
But black mage
fringe tiger
I've literally lost every match since the (unnecessary) nerf
All people had to fucking do pre-patch was just focus the RDM
Not hard, it's a squishy-ass class
pseudo violet
switch to WHM ez wins
subtle hornet
Not when your team mates can't freaking burst after you laser stunned all 5 enemies 
fringe tiger
Holy shit, I actually won a game
my rating dropped low enough that the game started giving me breathing teammates
carmine thicket
we love to see it
i got a triple kill as DRK once. it was nice
fringe tiger
Yup and here it is again
team mates that can't breathe
lmao
Dropped 800 rating because fucking devs don't even play their own mode
teal shale
Is that a valid strategy in platinum or is it just hell
probably a win trader
subtle hornet
probably a win trader
I assume a win trader trying to win a proper match then 
They sure were tilted with the amount of Nice Job spam they did
pearl nebula
what's your vote for most hated pvp opponent
for me it's gotta be ninjas
I have been killed so many times by a ninja LB it's gotta be like 30% of my deaths
I abhor them 🙃
fringe tiger
Lol
So funny just seeing people walk away from rdm
since it's barely a threat now
Dude just walks away without a problem despite full combo/ogcds
Yup
even the MCH walks away
patent gazelle
even anyone can walk away from drg
if they have recup
the only thing you cant walk away from is mnk and mch and that's because they have their lb up for the full combo
fringe tiger
Wasn't OP, literally just fucking focus it and it dies easier than most other classes that were less OP
vocal hound
When are you gonna talk about something else and stop crying rdm was overnerfed when most people are okay with it including other rdm mains
pearl nebula
polymorph needs nerf
pseudo violet
polymorph needs nerf
WHM is busted af in general
pearl nebula
I'm crying cuz I get polymorph -> death instantly
pseudo violet
yeah it do be like that
pearl nebula
seriously my WAR dies the most now
the enemy polymorphis wack
everyone wants me dead when there's a team fight sobs
pseudo violet
play WHM, my alts almost been entirely ignored on it. maybe people read "nerfs" and monkey brain ignore it now
pearl nebula
I got killed in 0.5s
pseudo violet
gotta aquaveil and slap that guard
neat plaza
I know its not much, but I do enjoy the small DRK buffs since I feel like my damage contribution is noticeable now
TBN being a shorter CD combined with people almost never prioritizing DRK as a target let's you wail away in safety
Also, DRK should get Unmend with its draw-in effect back so playing FL is less unbearable
pearl nebula
Just had a match where my dps were wandering around while I tried to hold point alone....unbearable
needless to say we lost
silent wedge
got to diamond, gonna start the crystal grind once i finish ShB msq
pearl nebula
good luck
i've been in diamond hell for days
get crushed by crystal and enjoy your platinum teammates
silent wedge
gonna miss the DNC that actually used their limit break effectively
pearl nebula
get ready for reaper to fear you out of the crystal during overtime
neat plaza
How is RPR after the buffs btw?
Like, where do they fall now in the melee dps rankings?
pearl nebula
I just spent 5 minutes with my team brawling under the crystal with the other team
one of theirs dies, then one of ours dies, and repeat....under the ring only
for 5 minutes straight
holy hell
mfw my win streak match is against brian ricardo as RDM
crushed in 2 mins
wary orchid
hit Gold
patent gazelle
Grats!
teal shale
How is RPR after the buffs btw?
they are very beefy now, lots of sustain and good ability to just hold the crystal well and get progress with lb
subtle hornet
Not the ones I see in silver/gold/platinum
teal shale
most people in that range arent great at positioning and safe play so its not super indicative of a jobs strengths
wary orchid
I'm still struggling when to use my W-cast Gravity
teal shale
everytime you cast gravity
pearl nebula
186 wins is too many
wary orchid
well, yeah, but I mean for the bind
pearl nebula
This is the match....let's see if we make it
teal shale
generally try and just do it to whoever is closest to your team/on the crystal
you are more likely to hit multiple there
subtle hornet
Just let me rank up from gold 
I swear my team always gets the bad silver players, while the opponent gets the good ones
teal shale
the dmg is more important than the bind but the bind can lead to other dmg from team
but you dont want to hold on so long you lose a use, its really good dmg tool for just forcing ppl on crystal to heal/fall back/die
ofc if a melee or two are diving it helps you out immensely to use it to bind and flee towards team
teal shale
you'll get more used to spotting when ppl are in kill range of grav>dc grav
and you can tack on macro for a quick ass aoe burst of 28k
with a bind on top
pearl nebula
now I can quit crystalline conflict
teal shale
nah now the true grind begins
pearl nebula
it took me 180 wins...I'm not good at this game
pearl nebula
187 actually
teal shale
cant derank so play as much as is fun
pearl nebula
yeah now no stress from rank
teal shale
eventually you will streak and trend ever upwards
subtle hornet
Okay maybe I need to grind more, have only half of your wins 😂
200 wins for crystal? 
teal shale
im almost at crystal with 97w
patent gazelle
I hit crystal in 120 wins iirc?
subtle hornet
I'm not a pvp pro like you guys
teal shale
whm was v easy to streak up to diamond with
subtle hornet
How do you use whm well actually
wary orchid
I've basically just mained Ast now for a while
teal shale
then you kill someone
subtle hornet
I'm currently playing it more support like though
Can't seem to solo kill people with LB + blood lily + dash, need team mates to finish off
teal shale
you hang back near good los positions so you can manage ranged attackers
subtle hornet
And team mates are super inconsistent
teal shale
stay near crystal
seraph strike near team on cd
as many as you can get
big dmg mit
for team
vapid flicker
OKay how is bard in CC?
teal shale
and cure 3
subtle hornet
stay near crystal
Good joke, I'm usually the only one pushing the crystal
vapid flicker
Good bad or shit?
subtle hornet
teal shale
OKay how is bard in CC?
powerful in the right hands
subtle hornet
1v3 on crystal, everyone else in narnia
pearl nebula
you don't need 180 wins
teal shale
thats ok
patent gazelle
Bard is good when you get better teammates
teal shale
try and quick chat still
pearl nebula
I'm bad... I think 80-140sh is about right
wary orchid
I'm finding ast to be really good at CC
teal shale
as soon as lb is up
wary orchid
and the support is nuts
subtle hornet
I think that's my biggest issue, coordination right there
pearl nebula
I lost 8 in a row in diamond yesterday
wary orchid
because
subtle hornet
The matches that I win have good coordination
wary orchid
!pvpaction Celestial River
subtle hornet
Or when people focus burst
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teal shale
you have to be that coordination as a healer imo
subtle hornet
But most of the time everyone is hitting targets randomly, and the opposite team is focus sniping people down
teal shale
you have the best position to view the whole fight
and time to look at mana
and get info
pearl nebula
went from diamond 2 to 4 then 2 to 4 then 2 to 4 and finally 4 to cystal
teal shale
and direct targeting
subtle hornet
And then people trickle back in to 1v5 the enemy, ALL THE TIME
teal shale
bind up a circle mark and an ignore mark
subtle hornet
No one listens to fall back and regroup 
teal shale
you cant let others stop you from building proper play
wary orchid
can the other team see your target markers?
teal shale
no
teal shale
What's the macro command again?
yopu can drag and drop
both the markers from the maker menu
patent gazelle
I dont even have a macro for targetting people
teal shale
and the quick chat commands
patent gazelle
teal shale
no macro needed
subtle hornet
you cant let others stop you from building proper play
Unless you keep getting queued with a dragoon who never self heals and always does 1v5
Nah, like a macro that does quick chat + puts a marker on
teal shale
not saying calls are needed but they dont hurt and its easy for a healer to find the time to do them
wary orchid
I have my target markers on alt+1-5
subtle hornet
On controller, so limited hotbar space to be comfy
pseudo violet
had a WAR that wasn't using heals that was fun
like stun jump and combo that was it
teal shale
ah then you can just macro pvpac and uh idk the macro for mark
vast crag
isn't heal part of the combo though?
teal shale
theres a list in game of the terms and stuff
subtle hornet
vast crag
like you can't do chaos cyclone without doing bloodwhetting
unless you mean the heal that cost MP
subtle hornet
I still swear gold rank is super inconsistent when you get paired with silver
The quality of silver players swing wildly....
Dragoons and samurai's who can't secure kills, only chain die by running back to 1v5 the fight
And reapers who are bottom of the table dps
vapid flicker
These are these peasent idiots who think the power of anime is on their side and just get destroyed
subtle hornet
Or yesterday when people keep getting DC halfway through the fight 
Happened to 3 different people
vast crag
power of anime is always on my side
vapid flicker
And yet you still die
vast crag
ofc, everyone dies at some point
subtle hornet
Actually, what do you do as a whm when you get hard focused by dps?
Or when one chases you all around the map?
vast crag
hope your team will back you up 😹 or just run and make space for your team, at least for me
subtle hornet
The good ones chase you down
patent gazelle
Keep being chased and survive
vapid flicker
Yeah the back up thing is something i nearly never experience
patent gazelle
Then if you like
Waste their time and hopefully your team can win the fight
You can go back and let them focus on the chaser.
vapid flicker
"Oh look these player is at 44% Lets kill him" looks beiond and see everyone is dead
Guys?
subtle hornet
Waste their time and hopefully your team can win the fight
You see, that happened when my team sucks
What do you do in that scenario lol
vast crag
like in the beginning if you died, and your team who didn't back you up didn't manage to get a kill to balance things out
probably it's over
subtle hornet
I can drag 2 people around the map with me, I die, and yet my team also dies
vast crag
yeah, you can't do anything about that lol
pearl nebula
I lost my first 2 games in crystal....looks like I just got lucky
I played WAR exclusively up to here...I should probably check out other classes now
Cuz WAR is good but no DAMAGE
vast crag
still decent for CC lol
subtle hornet
Yeah a good warrior is a God send
CC spam
A bad one rushes in and dies instantly
vast crag
but yeah it's so overused, more people probably know how to counter WAR as their current class already
sudden crest
pearl nebula
yeah actually I die a lot as WAR
sudden crest
i love ranked
subtle hornet
They did nerf warrior's mitigation recently
Seem a lot squishier after the latest patch
sudden crest
sam got tanked so hard
vast crag
still monkey 😹
pearl nebula
Even when I initiate and shield through ALL the damage, then come out and stun, and heal through another life bar, the other team STILL kills me most of the time
In the first fight as WAR. It's clear that teams know how to play against it
restive grail
Aellesa malding for several days straight over the warranted RDM nerf
subtle hornet
Solidarity, my fellow Gold hell sufferer 🤝
teal shale
Actually, what do you do as a whm when you get hard focused by dps?
Dont run from team, run towards or seraph in, spread out heals and mit and guard while you try to get a peel or break los. Dont forget the potions on every map either. With all that you can survive a person chasing for a while till your team notices and helps.
You can mark yourself with a plus sign at match start on healer, i find it helps ppl keep track of you in a fight to either help or stay in los so you can help them
subtle hornet
sudden crest
draw while on point 
pseudo violet
Reapers and Monks, always a terrible sign
sudden crest
i have three healers in my team????
also why does rpr heal so fucking much
yeah three healers in one team is unwinnable wtf
pseudo violet
really? That seems unkillable if done right
sudden crest
we had literally zero damage
severe briar
How is GNB after all these buffs, compared to like... WAR or DRK?
scarlet thicket
is it just me, or are dps way tankier then they have any right to be ?
modern solstice
During CC i had my shield up
And get wiped instantly?
unbelievable
It didn’t happen before
subtle hornet
I swear my pvp rng is shit
3/4 matches got steamrolled
Players who can't play along with silver tier nice job spammers who can't even do 100k dps
Aaaaa
pseudo violet
just play whm and carry
patent gazelle
autumn sleet
*I am already playing WHM*
You dont solo kill people as whm
Go sam
subtle hornet
And then I end up being 1v5 again because everyone else is dead or in narnia
I can't win
Maybe the hours I play affects it
I find players are a lot worse during overnight hours in NA...
teal shale
During CC i had my shield up
Server tick. Dmg can happen on the server tick b4 it ticks over and counts you guarding
dense forge
And then I end up being 1v5 again because everyone else is dead or in narnia
I was 1 win from crystal prepatch…
I’ve had match after match of mostly clueless teammates
two matches had people straight up afk at spawn
60-70% of matches lost are from people not pushing crystal in OT
I’m all the way back to Diamond 4 now 
subtle hornet
Gold 4 to Gold 1, clueless players in promotion match, dropped back to gold 4
Climbed up to gold 1 agaaaaaain and the same thing happened
Clueless player streak all the way back to gold 3
I'm done with ranked, raging too much about it 🙅
subtle hornet
Yeah doesn't work for me
teal shale
After that kids are out of school and the ding dongs are home from work
subtle hornet
OCE player on a NA server, degen hours is my prime time
teal shale
Oh welp
subtle hornet
The dong dong queue is when I can play 
teal shale
Rip in pasta
subtle hornet
teal shale
Didnt oce get a server
Or is that still in the works
Or are you staying for housing
teal shale
Tru
Raided with an aussie in shb. I uh dont envy that kind of network environment yall gotta deal with
subtle hornet
You actually get better in dealing with mechanics because you have to react preemeptively 
teal shale
I grew up on a farm
Played wow with satellite internet
800ms ping
Im never going back lol
exotic kayak
Why do people mark the enemy and then not attack the marked target?
teal shale
forget/distracted/range
even playing healer its hard for me to take em down as needed to shift focus
queen gyro
Doesn’t help that targeting kinda sucks
teal shale
specific target macros help
dense forge
if anything, playing MNK in upper ranking is probably gimping me the hardest. Still manage to get top kills quite often but meta jobs blow me out of the water in terms of overall match damage and their ability to burst/multi-KO.
Bruiser assassin is fine and all but the ability to delete 2-5 people with an LB, or CC multiple people at once is just super strong and MNK doesn’t really have either of these.
The best I can do for a multi is try and put out a max charged Rising Phoenix + phantom rush + rising phoenix + Riddle of Earth and hope the enemy team is grouped up and low on HP.
Outside of personal skill, there isn’t much I can do on my end when it comes to team RNG. When 3 people on your team are busy chasing kills during OT and ignoring “Push the Crystal” quick chat… what exactly is there to “improve” on my end?
dense forge
Yeah but MNK lb is still kinda garbo
teal shale
and then blast the person with the most threatening ult
51k burst is not garbo
thats a dead whm
dense forge
You’d be surprised at how many people sub 50k HP I RP + Enlightenment + LB and don’t get a kill
hell sometimes the combo doesn’t even register damage
feels great blowing my CD and watching them run off with full HP
MNK LB is still subpar compared to Nin, DRG, SAM, SMN or WHM
its fitting for the job role though, bruiser assassin and whatnot. But I still think LBs that can multi-KO or multi-CC are better than MNK single target LB
let me put it this way. If you had to choose between MNK or SAM for your team, I’d say almost everyone would pick a SAM
SAM can team wipe, MNK realistically can’t except in extremely rare situations
replace SAM with DRG, SMN, or WHM and the answer is still the same
west bridge
idk why they didn't give MNK perfect balance
and played with riddle of earth wind and fire
like ninja
teal shale
counterpoint i see mnks do well in crystal
i think the job has its strengths
knowing where to be and when is huge but if you are coordinating burst mnk can really swing things on the cystal
its not always the best play to run off to the backline and chase someone to spawn
mnk has good reactionary tools with their ogcds, the ability to close out a kill within the span of a gcd or two is huge
and they are amazing on crystal thanks to enlightenment
you can knock people contesting off the crystal
into team etc etc
dense forge
I try to play a mix between crystal bruiser and backline assassin
Work the point, delay with guard and RoE, knock back to clear crystal
and diving to finish off low enemies
teal shale
in the higher ranks if a team is any kind of decent they are gonna turn and burn backline divers
dense forge
or focusing like WHM with LB before they can cast their LB
teal shale
i think nin can get away with it bc shukuchi and stealth
monk isnt so lucky
super risky
its why you see less war in crystal
dense forge
RoE -> heals -> guard -> RP + RoE activation -> sprint is pretty reliable.
A charged RoE can do almost half a health bar in damage
teal shale
cus the not so great ones will just primal rend in and die
bc ppl understand how to burst
dense forge
also using shoulder tackle to dash back to my team is pretty useful for diving low health enemies
dense forge
MNK has some solid survivability skills
teal shale
i just see tons of mnks chase a backliner forever
dense forge
ah yeah chasing is bad
dense forge
I don’t chase unless they are like 25% HP and no MP left. Still it depends on the situation
something where I can tackle and kill in 1-2 gcd is pretty tempting
gusty sparrow
As red mage, what are the situations where black shift > White shift and vice versa?
I just kinda swap on a whim cause like, verholys healing is always handy and doing more damage is always handy, but I cant quite figure out when one would be better than the other haha
teal shale
is the other team trying to kill you? white
are they leaving you alone? black
swap for silence to confirm kills
patent gazelle
Lets just stack around a warrior
Surely nascent flash healing wont be that effective that way
queen gyro
I am slowly learning how bad I am at NIN
wary orchid
what job should I be focusing target the most as an ast?
amber escarp
Targeting depends on both teams comps and who overextends
First priority is if someone is out of position
AST can double grav and cosmo so if you can grab a bunch together it’s good value too
bright jacinth
How the do can I be losing 20 rounds straight
I’m dropped from plat1 to plat4 help
mellow pasture
what is the cue to look for when fighting sams and not getting 1 shot by the LB?
having a hard time seeing it, not really sure what to look for
mellow pasture
also is there a way to adjust pvp target lists
can't seem to figure out how to move the enemy list
neat plaza
Its under Duty in the HUD layout
deft oriole
what is the cue to look for when fighting sams and not getting 1 shot by the LB?
Chiten. It's a blue buff on their buff bar/enemy list, and the animation of going up is an orangey shield orb appearing around the samurai like Ravana shields. There's also a sort of "ching" sound effect which is subtle but you can listen out for
basically if their LB bar is full watch their buffs
!buff chiten
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deft oriole
!pvpaction hissatsu: chiten
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!pvpaction zantetsuken
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pseudo violet
Gotta love it when people spam "Attacking dark knight! " as soon as the drk gets their LB
tranquil turtle
really hard to justify "just dont hit samurai" when they can run into aoe and give YOU the debuff
as a SAM player myself I find it really annoying and effective when white mages hard CC me they moment they see me use Chiten
as chiten only lasts 5s, the debuff lasts for 3, and the debuff lasts for 2
wary orchid
woo
tranquil turtle
gz
I deranked back dowk to silver 3 and went back to silver 1 after dropping smn and going back to SAM
mellow pasture
does pvp rank do anything
lol
not your CC rank, I mean your level ups
this shit
wary orchid
titles
echo solstice
If you reach cap your GC leader will call you pog champ
patent gazelle
spiral brook
Only for achievements
lucid nest
Have they fix White Mage yet or is it still ggez glitched
lucid nest
And I guess they don't want to disable the class from the game-mode because a lot of people would cry about it
patent pine
It’s not op
Player skill defines the mode regardless
And since poly isn’t as stupid as negating Sge lb entirely
fringe tiger
RDM didn't need a nerf. Just focus the RDM. It was a glass cannon, and the loss of 7.2k damage essentially removed the cannon portion. With how unresponsive purify is, having 51'000hp doesn't give a lot of time to react quickly to CC and then getting bursted.
No other class received a potency gain this huge, of 7.2k, in the patch. Not even classes that needed it like DNC
Fun fact, resolution and displacement animation locks so long
and you can't pot during it
patent gazelle
Dude you deserved to die from that
fringe tiger
You're missing my point, 1sec
patent gazelle
Any job with that hard focus dies from that too
Other casters and healers would die flat from that focus
fringe tiger
Other casters dont need to go in
patent gazelle
Youre not that far in
And smn does
For ifrit
Blm sometimes need to to use burst effectively
!pvpaction burst
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patent gazelle
Whm has seraph strike, Sge has icarus
sterile ibex
sge also has 2 melee gcds
sch has mummify
ast doesnt need to go melee because macro is 20 units iirc
patent gazelle
Stop coping all other casters need to go in too
Ast is the only one really chilling from the back
fringe tiger
Stop coping all other casters need to go in too
No, ONLY rdm needs to go in for decent damage
Other classes can go in for added damage
melee have more health
sterile ibex
sge
fringe tiger
they have more time to react
sterile ibex
isnt ifrit 20k damage
patent gazelle
Basically yeah
fringe tiger
I can't check from pvp guide how much hp summoner has
I know BLM has less hp though
48k or something
patent gazelle
They have similar hps
I think rdm has the most
But theyre all around the 50k range
fringe tiger
Point I'm making is that RDM has to consistently get in close to do damage.
Yeah, int hat scenario anyone would die, but RDM has to consistently put themselves into melee range in order to compete in damage
Other classes can choose to hang back and go in whenever they want while still dealing good damage
sterile ibex
literally sge what
patent gazelle
I just fought some rdms earlier
fringe tiger
RDM's out of melee damage is meme
patent gazelle
Theyre still powerful
Lol
Guess what
Most of other jobs damage outside their burst
Is meme too
fringe tiger
Also
idk how other classes have it but
Verflare, Resolution, Displacement
All have RIDICULOUSLY long animation locks
and you can't pot during them
patent gazelle
Dnc has tiny range for being a ranged dps
sterile ibex
and then lb anim lock is 3sec
patent gazelle
Dnc is locked for 4 seconds
fringe tiger
Casting =/= Animation lock
you can cast and stop
and instantly pot
Animation lock is a commitment
patent gazelle
No, brd can move while casting their arrows
Idk
Smn has some ani locks too iirc
sterile ibex
brd can cancel cast but it's with the cancel cast button
patent gazelle
Sam has to stand still for midares
sterile ibex
idk wtf it is on kb but it's Y/triangle for controller
fringe tiger
Sorry, I'm in the middle of matches
patent gazelle
Lol drg too has the same shit
sterile ibex
nin has movement lock with assassinate but that's dif from anim lock
fringe tiger
I know other classes have anim lock, but idk if they're as long as RDM's and in the worst places for them
I'm sure DRG can't pot while backflipping
and SAM yeah, has to stand still for midare
but they can choose to stop casting
and heal
fringe tiger
Yes it does
sterile ibex
ok what do you define as anim lock when you say cant pot
patent gazelle
Eh every action in the game has some animation
fringe tiger
Eh every action in the game has some animation
I said long
patent gazelle
Thats just natural to the game
fringe tiger
ok what do you define as anim lock when you say cant pot
Long period of time where you can't use oGCDs
fringe tiger
Also I don't think you can purify while animation locked either but I never looked into it
Purify is scuffed with this engine
patent gazelle
sterile ibex
Long period of time where you can't use oGCDs
i can double weave recupex2 without clipping
after using reso
i think it's just ping
fringe tiger
I think I have <50ms
fringe tiger
Idk what to say man, but I spam pot after pressing resoluton and it takes forever to go off
sterile ibex
patent gazelle
Top players still use rdm
Still absurd damage honestly
More manageable now though
fringe tiger
Not really
patent gazelle
Ive had rdms in every match ive done today
fringe tiger
No shit
patent gazelle
And theyre usually near top damage
fringe tiger
It's a popular class
fringe tiger
Yeah if no one ever looks at them
Sure I can go around spammin black all the time if I want to die
sterile ibex
welp back to my zodiac weap
fringe tiger
Yeah totally hurts
Inb4 "LoL mAyBe YoU wErEn't As GoOd As YoU tHoUgHt YoU wErE"
Done with shit solo until RDM gets buffed
sterile ibex
alright @patent gazelle this is your time to flex
patent gazelle
Top1 mnk, top 2 me as nin, top 3 is rdm
Idk theres multiple rdms in the top 30
Tbh
Imagine not being carried by the job anymore and just crying
restive grail
Aellesa still giga malding
vocal hound
Done with shit solo until RDM gets buffed
Pls do, its annoying af
karmic flower
patent pine
Playerskillissue
sly heath
rdm sucks. smn is better
vocal hound
restive grail
What's the SMN combo look like?
sullen mist
What's people's thoughts on sch? I like it in Frontlines but cc is a totally different beast
I feel like the lack of hard cc and movement skills might make it vulnerable, but sch also does pretty well keeping itself up
pseudo violet
Get into a match and see <<FRC 2018 Finalist>>, guess we will lose then as they spam quick chat.
and try to 1v5 their team near their spawn
ahhh crystal
pseudo violet
What's the SMN combo look like?
dunno if this is still good or not, but I SMN'd until diamond-ish and looks basically right
Phoenix's main attack is also instant cast which can be useful for some situations over straight damage from Baha
patent gazelle
valid trench
at this point idk whos more broken, brd or drg lb cause holy shit does brd buffs give it so much dmg
patent pine
I feel like the lack of hard cc and movement skills might make it vulnerable, bu...
It lacks CC but has solid constant damage with biospread and high uptime on damage buff for allies
It really is a support
The ticks are kind of high for how efficient they are
patent gazelle
Sch is just spreading plagues
sullen mist
That's what I enjoy
Problem is when the CDC starts sending me letters
Government abuse I tell you
mellow pasture
what's the macro to put a mark on someone
i want to macro the "I'm attacking <target>" macro with putting a mark on them
pseudo violet
i want to macro the "I'm attacking <target>" macro with putting a mark on them
/quickchat "Attacking Target" <t>
/merror off
/mk attack3 <t> <wait.1>
/mk attack2 <attack3> <wait.1>
/mk attack1 <attack2> <wait.1>
/mk circle <attack1>
pseudo violet
thats the countdown, if you are wanting to be swapping targets and spamming the mark/quick chat ping whenever you do please don't
patent gazelle
I probably should
merry steeple
so how do I play mch
pseudo violet
Use Scattergun to knock the other team off the objective in overtime to win
amber escarp
Do damage and don’t die to maximize your value.
Analysis drill> LB can knock one person out of a fight
static talon
Ok, wtf causes the tornadoes that just lift you in the air and if you're under 50% HP you just die. (Crystal Conflict)
pseudo violet
Ok, wtf causes the tornadoes that just lift you in the air and if you're under 5...
Turbulence? There is a big ol' countdown on your screen saying when it is about to hit. Guard or be on the glowing choco pad things to negate the damage/lift. Only in that one map.
mellow pasture
Ok, wtf causes the tornadoes that just lift you in the air and if you're under 5...
you should absolutely be playing around turbulence also
everyone is going to guard it
so you know for sure that's an opportunity to go for a kill since guard is down
static talon
Didn't know you could Guard it.
mellow pasture
either you can bait their guard with something like dragoon LB
or you can go for kills after turbulence ends
static talon
I've either A. Been hit by it and died because I didn't know about the timer or B. Ran for a Chocobo Pad.
mellow pasture
whm misery + polymorph is deadly after it
static talon
I could also just WAR LB someone before it for a free kill if they are at 1/2
mellow pasture
that too
as long as you yourself can handle turbulence
it's absolutely time to look for kills when you see that turbulence timer
stark grove
If you war LB someone for turbulence you're gonna eat the turbulence since you can't guard while under LB buff
terse tangle
im going to cry lmao
sacred quail
im going to cry lmao
Rip haha I don't want to advance cause than it will get hard 😭
sage tundra
would you guys say white or black magic is stronger in Crystal conflict? or does it just depend
for RDM
restive jasper
gunbreaker seems pretty cool
restive jasper
wait whm is amazing
sudden crest
i'm still stuck in gold this shit sucks
like idk if I can even rank up if I keep consistently getting players who outright refuse to do anything
teal shale
Well you cant rank down
And hate to break it to you but it doesnt get much better in plat/dia/crys
sudden crest
well then this mode just fucking sucks
if players can't be assed hitting their fucking buttons why bother coming to ranked
and its not like the blacklist system even works so you just have to deal with the same 4 shitters making it impossible to push
pseudo violet
Mostly because it's an easy fun new way to cap tomestones while also getting additional rewards at the end of the season
sudden crest
then just do casual, there's no reason to make it unfun for other people
pseudo violet
Can't get kits and titles from rankings in casual
sudden crest
there are no titles this season, and honestly they don't deserve them if they aren't participating lol
pseudo violet
Still get framer kits and bonus trophy crystals
sudden crest
the fact it has to be a win to rank is really bad, like wow I did everything in my team and still lost so I guess I get punished
patent gazelle
would you guys say white or black magic is stronger in Crystal conflict? or does...
Black most of the time but white resolution is broken
restive grail
hmmm, SCH doesn't feel very impactful to me, any tips?
patent gazelle
keep spreading your dots
restive grail
well yes but you can only do that every 15s
restive grail
man fuck enemy monks
mellow pasture
hmmm, SCH doesn't feel very impactful to me, any tips?
sch seems better in FL than in CC
imo
restive grail
prob
mellow pasture
you can spread some real mass diseases around when there's 48 extra targets
sudden crest
unironically why does rpr heal so much
sudden crest
what the fuck is blackfeather boost
and why has literally no-one written about it besides one deleted reddit post
silent wedge
if people knew about the buff they'd try fishing for it harder
kinda wish it was more known cause only one person can get it each tornado
sudden crest
oh
silent wedge
its a gcd cooldown reduction and getting it will let you take no fall damage
its nothing special but its there incase guard isnt up when stage hazard comes
fringe tiger
I'm currently on grand finals of Aether tournament, undefeated
I'm throwing down with Jay now
deft oriole
Black feather gives movement speed and gcd speed buff and stops you taking damage from falling back down from the tornado
You get it by standing in the orange circle when tornado goes off
silent wedge
o it gives movement?
deft oriole
Only one person can get it per orange circle. If two players are standing there at once I don’t know how it determines priority tbh
!buff blackfeather boost
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sudden crest
according to the tutorial it also increase LB generation?
silent wedge
whoever has the better ping i guess, cause if you lag a bit you will be below the other guy
deft oriole
according to the tutorial it also increase LB generation?
Yes it does do this too
But it’s not really a noticeable part
sudden crest
really odd that no-one documented it online
deft oriole
whoever has the better ping i guess, cause if you lag a bit you will be below th...
Shouldn’t be this because the z-axis isn’t real
If you’re in the circle when it goes off then you should be snapshotted there
The travel time going up is just a camera trick, ie it’s not real
sudden crest
not everyone gets flung at the same time
deft oriole
Just an animation
sudden crest
so it might not snapshot you going on
silent wedge
maybe its first one there then
restive grail
I think it's the closest to center
patent gazelle
what the fuck is blackfeather boost
its in the ffxiv website
which nobody looks at
quasi oyster
There's normally 4 when it happens, right? 2 in the middle field and one near each teams base?
patent gazelle
yeah 4
carmine thicket
idk if anyone even bother with DRK in PvP CC but how the hell do I even properly playing the class in there? I want to know the proper gameplan for them because honestly I have no idea lmao
fringe tiger
idk if anyone even bother with DRK in PvP CC but how the hell do I even properly...
My team just won the PvP tournament with DRK. Honestly, it was pretty bread and butter. Problem is, I don't think DRK has the strengths it needs to solo-climb as easily as other classes
DRK is all about raw-damage/group survivability. I think my teammate said something about how, the more people he's fighting the more he can heal.
Also, it's just super important to have someone healing you else you can't be as aggressive
WAR is more about big burst/control initially and maybe a pull onto a single person
but DRK's raw damage is insane atm
carmine thicket
TBN and Quietus after Salted Earth from a Plunge opener is something I usually do but it's just survivability I struggle with.
Damage is good and all but if I don't know how to live past my burst window, what am I doing wrong lol
fringe tiger
@undone pecan
He might be AFK
but I pinged him
He's got a very firm understanding of DRK
carmine thicket
Thank you.
Because even after the DRK 6.11 buff in PvP, I'm still not too sure what I should be doing as a team player because clearly I can't really solo from my understanding
fringe tiger
Like I said, I think DRK is one of those classes that really requires a coordinated team behind them
fringe tiger
I think he has to fly back tomorrow so idk if he'll be here to respond
But it's definitely powerful though
restive jasper
How was rival wings before it was temporarily disabled?
im talking to the npc now and that images and descriptions makes it sound very mmo-lite
seems cool
patent gazelle
its like moba like
2 lanes, mammets pushing into the other side
u use mechs to push and protect themselves
eternal spoke
My team just won the PvP tournament with DRK. Honestly, it was pretty bread and ...
didnt watch the tourney but did your team won with drk because you want to pick drk or you won with drk because war is banned(if theres any ban rule in the tourney)
fringe tiger
didnt watch the tourney but did your team won with drk because you want to pick ...
Every class was allowed in the tournament.
We went with DRK, he's the team leader. We insisted that WAR works better synergizing with LBs but he insisted he could show us how strong DRK could be.
Rest was history
I still think WAR is great for LB synergy with it's ridiculous aoe-stun/jump damage
WAR aoestun + WHM lb (60sec) can do close to 50k damage
enough to bring most classes to less than 10k hp, if not less than 5k hp
glossy cape
bloodspiller spam on DRK LB tho
fringe tiger
We just kept steamrolling so hard with the amount of damage we did
carmine thicket
nice
queen gyro
3tank parties are obnoxious as hell
sacred quail
3tank parties are obnoxious as hell
Makes me want to roll warrior
quasi oyster
queen gyro
Just came out of a match where our MCH kept trying to do callouts but theyre clearly bad for the situation
so every time he does our PLD goes out of his way to reply "Blocking Machinist!" as a response
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queen gyro
how long does wind lift people? Can I time DRG LB to land the exact moment it ends?
queen gyro
literally No one at the Crystal