Your salted earth?
#archived-player-vs-player
vapid flicker
It even interrupts your LB attack
patent gazelle
Casts zante-
vapid flicker
In the middle of meteordrive? Nope gone
sterile ibex
whm sleep just gives half asleep for 2sec then sleeps for 4sec while being single target ggez
vapid flicker
So at this point we can all agree that WHM should get nerfed?
Especially Polymorph?
teal shale
id rather see other jobs moved upwards
and then poly fixed with cd and it removing ground aoes
sterile ibex
power creep would hit hard and everyone would just be fucking bursted harder than they already are
jobs would be defined on how fast they burst if everything was buffed
vapid flicker
Right now I would wish for some love for monks?
sterile ibex
well with how it's balanced rn small tweaks wouldn't be enough 
teal shale
its more balanced than pvp has ever been
sterile ibex
ye but still
vapid flicker
Because ngl? This 7 Hit Combo is plain stupid and if you really want to keep it this way than at least increase the time before the combo reset itself
sterile ibex
small tweaks ain't gonna do shit for dnc/rpr/gnb
teal shale
the super high end classes arent invalidating everything
some jobs do need to be reworked yea
but most in the middle just need smol love
sterile ibex
dnc lb just needs damage added
vapid flicker
Yep
sterile ibex
like throw tilana in there or something and make that charm alongside the 2sec charm of the lb
sterile ibex
ye ik
teal shale
i genuinely believe that ast/sch will do super fuckin well in coordinated team play
sterile ibex
I think moreso ast
sterile ibex
what does sch even do for lb 
teal shale
if you have a team coordinating burst every 30s or build a comp around it
vapid flicker
What place have monks right now in PvP
sterile ibex
but like what specifically
teal shale
summon seraph
sterile ibex
technically sge ult is better mit because it's 100% to the ranged 🤓
sterile ibex
ik I'm memeing 💀
teal shale
word
its good
the thing is sch is a tempo job
if you get good use out of spreadlo>expedient>recited bio>spread bio every 30s you are gonna contribute an insane amount
much like ast
the 10% dmg boost is consistent tho
and thats v strong
not to mention mummy is a really insidious debuff that most ppl never notice
vapid flicker
I mean I have to admit. I absolutely love the whole direction of the Classes I PvP. Some of them even feels more of the class itself than their PvE CounterPart.
I absolute love the RDM direction where you can choose to actively choose between damage and Support in Split seconds
And not are limited on what? 3 Support skills in PvE? xD
mellow pasture
i have limited experience with whm in pvp
where does most of their damage come from?
glare spam or other source?
i'm trying to figure out if I have the capability to basically play as if I'm a DPS class
or if I should be trying to keep cure stacks spent
sterile ibex
misery contributes a lot afaik
teal shale
you just use cure to save when you can
its not a core requirement to keep em on cd
generally your gameplan is to get glares off, use misery on cd preferably on 2+ targets
look for low hp opponents getting bursted and poly them
look for opportunities to seraph strike on cd near your part
it gives a 10% dmg mit for 10s on a 20s cd so keep that shit up as much as you can
the free cure 3 is icing on the cake
every 60s you are looking for someone 50% hp or lower to kill with lb+misery+seraph
dont try to hit 5 man faze clan lbs just kill somebody anybody
your main source of dmg is gonna be your chat quick commands
usually even non receptive teammates will be inclined to follow your lead if you are on point with saving with aqua/cure and getting kills with lb/poly/misery
vapid flicker
Other Question. South Cross Aka the lb from RDM - the double potency/Healing only counts for me right?
mellow pasture
every 60s you are looking for someone 50% hp or lower to kill with lb+misery+ser...
thanks, this is helpful
i've been playing bard in CC and i'm not quite happy with how their casted spell prevents use of the self heal
just feels a tiny tiny bit clunky
but I feel like bard doesn't have kill potential
just consistent DPS
thought about switching to WHM and start looking at climbing ranked
every match had a WAR and WHM so far, on both teams
teal shale
brd has silence right
oh yea they do 20s cd 25y range
thats incredible kill potential
its less about the job doing the dmg to kill, more that they have a good CC that you can use to enable kills for your team
mellow pasture
yeah i've been timing it to use right after the stage knockup that does a bunch of damage when they land
and trying to hit it when targets are low HP
teal shale
just gotta make sure your team is following thru
mellow pasture
i've kinda approached it somewhat like WoW PVP where you really want to try and silence a healer's heal
but that seems not applicable here
teal shale
youll get better at reading the match and understanding when burst comes as you play
nah
everyone is their own healer now
so you gotta watch mp pools
of friend and foe alike
mellow pasture
makes sense
i gave dragoon a shot too but i don't quite like them as much
prefer staying at range
still trying to pick a class to main I guess
may as well pick a "top tier"
dense forge
I don’t think I’ve seen another MNK since I hit plat in CC
its all sam, mch, drg, whm
queen gyro
Aren’t SAM incredibly dangerous for WARs?
Also I thought that MCH drops off at higher levels? It was being discussed here
nocturne grove
dang silver to gold promotion, im going up againts high gold and plats
teal shale
Mch is fine
dense forge
Also I thought that MCH drops off at higher levels? It was being discussed here
They are rather easy to deal with. Can’t run away very well
but I still run into them a lot in plat+
queen gyro
Best they can do is lay a turret in their escape route, but that’s a turret you’re not throwing at the enemy
dense forge
Kind of feel like I’m gimping my team playing MNK at plat+ CC. Even my best game has my match damage at 200,000-500,000 less than match damage from Meta jobs
teal shale
Dmg doesnt matter if its all spread out and ppl are elixering
Mnks strength is a 51k burst every 60s
teal shale
And the ability to comfortably 1v1 every job cept rdm
valid trench
why is reaper bad btw? it has some potential bonkers dmg and healing
valid trench
a rly nice qol would be not losing stacks on death for me but thats..about it, sure could need a stun and bit of health boost in my LB since i get focused hard during it
dense forge
Mnks strength is a 51k burst every 60s
Phoe+PR + Phoe + Enlightenment + LB?
weary inlet
Dont other jobs have similar burst available more often? On top of that your combo is easily wrecked by a silence
When I'm on my bard I make it a point to silence people trying to combo a teammate
valid trench
lol a whm polymorph goes haha fuck u and ur dead
weary inlet
And then they start to do their combo on me :pepelaugh:
Okay mobile discord. Heck you too
zenith solstice
I used to be pissed that WHM lb stunned you before the animation even stunned, but then I realize sitting on your ass doing nothing while somebody prepared to fire a giant laser to melt you is exactly like dragon ball z
teal shale
six > phoe > enlight > lb
you can do another rp after the enllightenment if you have a charge for another 3k
thatll put you at enough to blow a healer up in a v short amount of time
queen gyro
whats my burst opener as NIN?
fringe tiger
I am 100% convinced that when you hit 4k crystal score the game starts giving you the dumbest fucking teammates/comps imaginable and forces you to lose unless you can carry really fucking hard
teal shale
You can carry ppl to wins kicking and screaming yea
mellow pasture
i've given both RDM and WHM a shot so far
rdm does so much fuckin damage holy shit
i don't feel like i'm doing all that much damage and then I'm topping the chart
think i've prob picked my two classes lmao
terse tangle
Now to never touch ranked again
but what if you wanted to be gold? 🤔
spiral brook
Lmao no
fringe tiger
rdm does so much fuckin damage holy shit
Only if left alone
it's a glass cannon
as soon as someone else touches you
you're going to die
queen gyro
Stealth not working as intended is giving me the authentic WoW experience atm
I dive into with a burst and then use Shukuchi to disengage
But it only works like 40% of the time
Maybe I’m not supposed to play this class like a Dragoon
fringe tiger
You need to stealth into a corner
but tbh
stealth mechanic in this game is bad
There's a reason perma-stealth is avoided in most modern games
and games that have had full-stealth in the past
have eventually adjusted them
This game feels so 2006 with it's design choices and shit
and bugs as well
Rogues were getting hit out of stealth through so many expansions
despite them vanishing, ect.
I think they fixed it eventually
but yeah, 2006-2009
mellow pasture
what are some of the key things to get with crystal trophies?
the shop is so convoluted I don't want to spend 2 hours painstakingly browsing every item
spiral brook
The orchestrion rolls might be good money as they’re tradable
The weapons are all new items and are high-res
The armor is high-res versions of various job gear sets
The accessories are old PVP ranked rewards
all the framers add portrait elements related to that job
The Wolf Collars can be used to trade for a weapon from the vendor right by the crystal one
As far as we know, the crystal vendor items are all here to stay so there’s no “priority” to buying
Just get what you like
I bought mostly framers, the minion/rolls, and the BLM weapon
subtle hornet
BLM weapon has the huge 👁️
quasi oyster
TFW you use your ult, and it goes off, but it doesn't do damage because a tornado also hits you
queen gyro
Is it me or are tornados invisible for a while but still hit you
nocturne grove
Going to avoid pvp in the weekend, just hit plat after being silver for the whole weekend
quasi oyster
its all a trap it doesnt matter
novel crow
Just hit crystal.
quasi oyster
Grats
novel crow
What now?
quasi oyster
go for top 100 i guess
fringe tiger
I'm pretty confident this game just starts forcing you to have loss games after 3800 crystal rating
There's no way I keep consistently getting players/comps this bad
when over 3800
and then when I drop below 3800 i get the best teams again
mellow pasture
do specific ranks get any special rewards?
subtle hornet
Instant portrait frames iirc
You get a different one depending on your rank
And more trophy crystals at a higher rank at the end of the season
mellow pasture
no glams or anything though I guess
subtle hornet
Only glams are in the battle pass iirc
novel crow
I'm pretty confident this game just starts forcing you to have loss games after ...
git gud
How long will pvp seasons last?
fringe tiger
Wonder if they'll do anything about the aether win trader...
inorite?
subtle hornet
Didn't mention cheats tho 
fringe tiger
Yoshi P angry
mellow pasture
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fringe tiger
Is he all bark?
subtle hornet
I think emotes actually work, just doesn't show up in chat lol
But I guess it's time to report nice job spammers
quasi oyster
But I guess it's time to report nice job spammers
subtle hornet
inorite?
You're not the only one, I've see regulars complaining about them in NN
That bugger can't be more obvious about it 
novel crow
"2. Taunting/Abusive behavior
Do not do anything."
prime quail
Instead of stuff like that, actually post balance patches
and fix the damn matchmaking xD
fringe tiger
sterile oracle
Crystal pvp custom match in pf if anyone wants in
sinful tundra
lucid nest
They need to IP ban these f****** cheaters
fringe tiger
They need to IP ban these f****** cheaters
They'll just change their IP with a VPN
and they can just spoof their HW ID to something else
quasi oyster
Why is it always the person who did worst on the team saying nice job?
restive grail
I'm pretty confident this game just starts forcing you to have loss games after ...
literally every game with matchmaking gets accused of this. it's just luck.
lucid nest
I swear to God I've never wanted to kick people in the teeth so badly
Do I have too much trust in people? All I need people to do is work together and stand in the f****** Crystal
And not have the warrior go chase The Bard into the enemy spawn
fringe tiger
Why is it always the person who did worst on the team saying nice job?
Good match!
fiery plume
Yoshi's comments in Japanese sounded like a parent talking to a kid.
報酬目的に限らず、負けが濃厚な場合でも、次の試合に向けてそれぞれベストを尽くすようにしましょう。
"Even if you're only there for the rewards or it looks like you're going to lose, let's do our best in preparation for the next round"
silk rune
I mean, giving up mid-match is essentially toddler status
nova cloud
anyone else here hates gold? cuz i do.
quasi oyster
I mean, giving up mid-match is essentially toddler status
Yeah. I agree. I've had a lot of matches win/lose in an OT push from 0-80% or something
Teams start to throw after getting confident and fall apart at the end
silk rune
yup
fading timber
Yoshi's comments in Japanese sounded like a parent talking to a kid.
報酬目的に限らず、負け...
Isn’t this standard JP PR?
drowsy ore
fiery plume
Kind of hard to explain, it's kind of a warmer way of saying it than standard PR.
weary inlet
Addressing "toxic" stuff before fixing the matchmaking and banning wintraders, instaleavers and people genuinely cheating
earnest sundial
<:ResidentSleeper:865272789295431710> Addressing "toxic" stuff before fixing th...
Business as usual
rough girder
quick question, is crystalline conflict any good for leveling jobs? does it even give regular xp?
stark grove
Yeah that's bad XP
It's probably one of the worst way to level a class
Even sidequests are more efficient
autumn sleet
quick question, is crystalline conflict any good for leveling jobs? does it even...
i think its 5-7% per game
its pretty fast in casual
rough girder
yeah but tbf having fun while leveling is better than wanting to gouge your eyes out while leveling
stark grove
I'd agree with that
The problem with CC for levelling is that you can't hotswap your job
Like you can in FL
Meaning if you want to level a class with CC you have to actually play matches as that class
rough girder
ahh i see, that's actually okay with me in this case
thank you for your responses
definitely going to try it out
autumn sleet
The problem with CC for levelling is that you can't hotswap your job
thats what casual mode is for
stark grove
I'm levelling BRD right now. I'm not gonna play BRD in CC, because I don't like it in PvP
It's not only about performance it's also about fun
mostly about fun really
teal shale
its better than nothing
also for the discerning gentleman who keeps playing the game for pvp its a nice boon
teal shale
Yeah that's bad XP
also only played about 4-5 hours each day so p good imo
brazen otter
or it just the Guard skill
teal shale
just guard yea
stark grove
also only played about 4-5 hours each day so p good imo
8-10 hours doing dungeons and fate would have gotten you from 80 to 90 probably
teal shale
barriers and dmg mit are seperate
stark grove
Also 4-5h of gaming a day is a lot, wdym "only" lmao
teal shale
8-10 hours doing dungeons and fate would have gotten you from 80 to 90 probably
right but I did that on everyclass but a few already lol
stark grove
yeah it does get grating after a while doesn't it
teal shale
so getting that much in 2 sessions of pvp is fine with me
brazen otter
ngl, I feel glad to see other jobs buff
brazen otter
SAM WAR and WHM diff in every match just kill the fun
teal shale
those jobs are still gonna be strong in solo queue
brazen otter
those jobs are still gonna be strong in solo queue
I thought you can only solo queue?
teal shale
yea
just saying that in a low coordination environment those classes are gonna excell
bc they are self sufficent in what they provide a team
the nerfs didnt affect that at all
brazen otter
only in low rank imo
teal shale
war yea
brazen otter
on crystal (assume they're not testing out jobs) coordination is much better
teal shale
whm and sam are still just real strong kit wise
its so funny that whm only lost a sec off lb stun
zealous cliff
hexed dust
Tested RPR after the buff and it feels good. Pretty much get to LB during every fight at least once. It charges crazy fast now.
lime lodge
So when playing RDM, is it a rookie move to switch shifts mid fight
Like if I'm in dark shift to bind someone, then switch to light shift to use Magick barrier
torpid pewter
is rdm nerf even that much? hardly seems like it...
hexed dust
6k total potency nerf.
amber escarp
So when playing RDM, is it a rookie move to switch shifts mid fight
It is correct
Do what gets u the kill, it all depends on what's happening
patent gazelle
No shake up on the top tiers but lower tiers that are dnc, rpr and gnb arent useless anymore
sterile ibex
dnc lb is still dogshit isn't it
scarlet tulip
gunbreaker actually has numbers now 👀
sacred quail
Why does my pvp portrait reset every time I log out / in or is it intentional?
teal shale
Cure bug fixed, same with poly stopping ground aoes
Sch and ast got some very strong changes
novel crow
teal shale
just a bugfix
but yea
ast got a 50% dmg buff on macrocosmos
and sch got 5 secs on shield dmg up and bio dmg down
all the healers in a real good spot rn imo
cloud ore
Hey! I had a question. Currently in pvp right now. The only kill that can one shot people is SAM right?
Had a friend saying they were getting one shot by MCH. But i don't think that LB can kill someone from 100% to Zero
pseudo violet
Hey! I had a question. Currently in pvp right now. The only kill that can one sh...
Their LB can't but Chainsaw can
cloud ore
Ah yeah the chainsaw.. That's 5% right?
restive grail
3% I think
pseudo violet
yup, not great but hilarious when it activates
cloud ore
Could be that then! Thanks.
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wicked wolf
yes or no
are bards a threat now
because i had some guy OBSESSED with focusing the damn bard
and seriously can we just get win trading going so i can get out of silver hell >_>
lone jay
and seriously can we just get win trading going so i can get out of silver hell ...
Uhhh...Why not just improve in the game? Make your contribution more impactful as consistently as possible?
mellow pasture
Uhhh...Why not just improve in the game? Make your contribution more impactful a...
you know the answer to that
improving at the game implies they are willing to put forth the effort to get better
lone jay
autumn sleet
Uhhh...Why not just improve in the game? Make your contribution more impactful a...
because the dude doesnt want to and just wants easy title
lone jay
I didn't even know there was a title to obtain, just adventure plates XD
Can I find the titles in the lodestone? Gotta see what I got for getting to crystal
autumn sleet
i dont even know if there are titles
guy was talking about it in the revival discord
lone jay
Hmm
Cause as far as I know, it's just adventure plates, that's the only thing I've seen in the ranking rewards
quasi oyster
I made it finally
lone jay
Grats!
quasi oyster
With the BLM changes, it seems nice now. I played it from D5->
Just don't use fire spells ever because the dot from superflare isn't worth the CC that frost brings
lone jay
But yeah, I also didn't see any achievements that give titles for crystalline ranks
quasi oyster
From my understanding, you get a title for hitting crystal, but i assumed it's at the end of the season
lone jay
Hmmmm
Let me see if I can find the source to that
Might be in a live letter or something
quasi oyster
Yeah I didn't see it from an official source, just other players talking about it. So, it may be a rumor
lone jay
If I don't find a source, I'm gonna assume fake till hard confirmed in the lodestone or something
quasi oyster
Yeah. On the rewards page, it only shows the framer kits + trophies depending on rank
lone jay
Cause I don't see the need to omit obtaining a title on the official rewards page
quasi oyster
Yeah. I don't think there'd be a reason to
lone jay
Where they tell you that you get Frame kit and crystal currency
Ok, this is getting weirdge. Assuming that this guy got the title's name right, there is a title called crystal bearer, but it's a 1.0 title apparently?
quasi oyster
Yeah. That's the one I've heard people saying. I didn't know it was a 1.0 title though.
lone jay
I found it from reddit post from 8 years ago asking if 1.0 people are missing their crystal bearer titles
So yeah, super weird situation here
sage tundra
is gunbreaker any good in crystal conflict?
it feels so weird to play it instead of any other tank or dps
lucid nest
You may call me toxic but the casual mode has the most brain-dead stupid ass dumb asws ive ever seen play a video game
And since it doesn't count for anything I'm no longer going to try to win
If I have more time on the crystal than nine other people combined that's a problem
patent gazelle
patent gazelle
lucid nest
queen gyro
“Hey, you don’t have a Ninja, and they don’t have a White Mage, I say it’s a fair trade.”
Man I love being able to prime bunshin before I jump in to burst, instead of wasting a second popping it mid burst
lucid nest
Can someone explain overtime because the Sims completely random
games where the enemy team could be on there for 1 second and they win
queen gyro
The Crystal is subject to server tick weirdness I think
lucid nest
We were on the crystal all five of us for 15 seconds during overtime nothing happens
queen gyro
You have to push your progress further than the enemy team did
So if you’re both at 50
You have to push 50.01
lucid nest
As fun as this game mode is at fundamental level
I hate people
It's the same five classes Non-Stop
All pushing one button to wipe out the entire team
War, pld, Sam, rdm, whm
Or dragoon instead of rdm
queen gyro
Sounds like ranked alright
patent gazelle
This is why you dont have everyone on the crystal
Just 1-2 people
Youll be susceptible to wipes if you all stack on it
lucid nest
When I say push the crystal I mean when the enemy team is dead and everybody chases the one bard
And we are in the final stretch
patent gazelle
Well only 1 person needs to push the crystal
lucid nest
Or they let one person run across the entire map on the enemy side
I'm also just frustrated I fight team face Super Saiyan 1 trillion to Giga brains and my team is getting wiped out 3 seconds in the fight
Cuz I've lost about 12 matches in a row now
And every single one has been-2 minute fights
It might be because I'm stuck in bronze
prime quail
Is there any way to deactivate the "Freelancer" for FL?
pearl nebula
I can't believe I did it
I'm not a good pvp player
but after 120 wins I'm in diamond 5
crystal never
spiral brook
Is there any way to deactivate the "Freelancer" for FL?
Nope
It’s default so people don’t feel pressured to be a specific GC to have a good queue for PVP
fringe tiger
SQE has no fucking clue how to balance lmao
they fucked over RDM hard
These nerfs are insane
autumn sleet
is gunbreaker any good in crystal conflict?
Play it as a dps.
Start and stick with dps junction untill you get a feel for the class theb try using tank junction as the situation calls for it.
Go in get out.
patent gazelle
they fucked over RDM hard
Idk, 24k total dot damage to 18k isnt that bad considering it was already 24k to begin with
fringe tiger
Idk, 24k total dot damage to 18k isnt that bad considering it was already 24k to...
No, it's very bad
When you lower numbers
you also lower how much they scale from buffs
3000 + 20% = 3600
4000 + 20% = 4800
200 damage is lost there
on top of the 1000
patent gazelle
I mean it was already overloaded to begin with
fringe tiger
I did a quick comparison between the amount of damage lost in DOT alone with +20%
I'll agree that the DOT damage was too high
patent gazelle
No dot does as much as much damage as the rdm dot
patent gazelle
And now its inline wirh everyone elses dot
fringe tiger
No dot does as much as much damage as the rdm dot
Yeah and it's a high-risk, long chain
I can't throw a single DOT on someone
and be like, "Yeah, take 18k"
no, it's all 3 hits
i have to stay in for all 3 hits
with 51000 hp
and no defensive abilities besides magic barrier -10% damage taken lol
autumn sleet
Yeah and let's compare it to gnb defensive abilities?
Which it might not even have depending on enemy line up
fringe tiger
Its also a frontloaded dot
if they wanted to nerf RDM
they should have made the first 2 hits low DOT damage, but huge +%increase DOT damage buff
so that you need to land all 3 hits on one person
and have to hit them all within a short time-frame
so that your 3rd melee hit does high dot damage
being buffed from the first 2 melee hits that +%increase DOT damage
restive grail
Just don't use fire spells ever because the dot from superflare isn't worth the ...
Idk, deep freeze isn't useful if the opponent is in the middle of CC immunity, or if you don't have teammates following up. You just don't have enough self burst to capitalize on it, especially since it costs either a 20s cd or 7.5s of casting.
However, Freeze is the absolute nuts during LB since you can just jam it into the brawl
quasi oyster
As with any other CC, you have to capitalize on using it, and know when to pop it. However, even without limit break, you can deepfreeze 2 players on a team pretty easily.
For the maximum amount (3 seconds)
But you're right, it's not a dueling class. It's not meant to burst down people by itself.
pearl nebula
man your team really makes a big difference. As a WAR I actually don't play on the crystal all the time unless I notice no one on my team is on it.
I actually try to harass and keep the other teams backline support and ranged out of the frontline so they can win.
I don't actually know if this is a good strat as WAR but I guess it depends on the game
If I can 2v1 in the back for long enough I just hope the front can win a 4v3 and then snowball from there
and I also just aoe stun the front line whenever I get a chance lol
Is diamond 2 gonna be my peak I wonder
quasi oyster
IMO. Unless the other team is completely wiped, you need to stay off crystal and keep pressure (As war)
pearl nebula
Yeah win there's a team battle I'm definitel yin there
quasi oyster
If you let them sit back and just full recover with standard-issue, there's no point
pearl nebula
but when it's kinda split I sometimes wander off
it's actually best if there are 2 tanks on my team lol, one hold the fort and doesn't die, and I harass the back so the front can win their fights
quasi oyster
If you're split, and solo, it might not be the play. It's situational. Securing a kill to stagger team rezzes can be huge
pearl nebula
but obviously it depends on the match
quasi oyster
Yeah
pearl nebula
it really depends a lot
I don't go actively looking for it per se
I just know that an unharassed WHM or RDM is terrible news
quasi oyster
But, mostly people pushing crystal should be the classes that can still fight from it (LoS granting)
pearl nebula
especially if your comp has no WHM or something
Also because at this stage people really know how to take down a WAR, just wait for guard to expire and CC and game over
pearl nebula
true but it feels bad when you initiate at the begining of the match and if cc chain until death as the tank
oof
quasi oyster
Yeah. Your team HAS to follow you, and you almost have to get a kill.
pearl nebula
If the team doesn't focus one or two targets during fights but the other does...it's over
quasi oyster
I started seeing the same players over and over, so I started remembering how each person played
pearl nebula
I'm seeing same players but it's only like 20% of the time
quasi oyster
Yeah. If your team has no focus/ability to swap to a new focus target, it sucks
pearl nebula
esp as WAR cuz we have no damage really, except when we LB
quasi oyster
marking people really helps me pay attention, but I don't feel confident in target calling
pearl nebula
I usually mark the top two priority targets at the beginning of the match
quasi oyster
So when I see a 1 or 2 go up, it's easy to focus
pearl nebula
and try to focus on them
quasi oyster
Yea
pearl nebula
usually the healer and the most dangerous dps
I do it every match
I don't actually change markers throughout the match though
I just leave the top two and then the match goes as it does depending
quasi oyster
Yeah IDK if people bind it or macro it into an ability
pearl nebula
it's just so they we you enter the fight or something you hopefully know where to focus
quasi oyster
but i've seen people swapping
quasi oyster
Yeah. It's better than nothing
pearl nebula
so I just manually set the top two and play
usually a melee dps is best cuz it's in the front whereas the healer or ranged are in the back so your team will ignore the markers
I don't really know how much I contribute sometimes
unless it's an obvious play like dragging someone out of the crystal during overtime and winning
I once spent the entire match hunting the enemy WHM and RDM
and kept one of the them out of the fight all the time
is it worth a WAR? not sure
quasi oyster
Depends on how well your team is securing kills without you there
pearl nebula
yeah if they can win their 4v3 it's great
I once held off 4 enemies in at their checkpoint for 1 minute straight lmao
only to find out my 4v2 team lost
it happens I guess
esp with the LB ridiculousness in CC
every character is lethal
3 enemies I meant*
quasi oyster
Yeah. I got overly salty watching a SAM LB and kill 3 people
I haven't played SAM. so I don't know how hard/easy that is to set up
pearl nebula
2 matches ago during overtime my WHM literally deleted 3 enemies with their LB after I stunned them, it's unfair haha
I haven't played other characters but I tried sam on the dummy
to see what chiten and the buff iccon look like
quasi oyster
Yeah. WHM LB is busted. I climbed out of Silver/Gold purely off WHM.
pearl nebula
I can't really play WHM cuz I'm not good at keeping track of my teams HP and the fight at the same time
I need to unga bunga
polymorph is the single most OP ability in the game though
pearl nebula
I love it when I guard and I see a missed poly
quasi oyster
Yeah. I threw A LOT of those. I have a bad habit of thinking of how I want a fight to go and hitting buttons
but not realizing the other players can do stuff to stop me
pearl nebula
I have a bad habit of just primal rending without looking and seeing I just rended someone who guarded
I lack situational awareness outside of my immediate fight
or enough of it
quasi oyster
It's hard sometimes.
wheat ore
Hey guys i want to get into ff14 But i am wondering how good the pvp is ?
What does it compare to other games Such as World of warcraft / Elder scrolls online / phantasy star online
vocal hound
Its alr but its not better to WoW
vast crag
try and decide for yourself
I never fond of MMO PvP in general
so all are no for me
I just do daily frontline to level my alt jobs, and 1-2 crystalline a day enough just to get the items, but I try to win and not grief my team
lone jay
Hey guys i want to get into ff14 But i am wondering how good the pvp is ?
I would say it's honestly pretty fun and like the person above said. You really should try the mode out for yourself and Decide
honest trellis
Any Black mage tips? I haven't messed with that class yet
patent gazelle
Ice mage is usually more useful
patent gazelle
patent gazelle
what drk skill pulled in players again?
Salted earth
teal shale
Hey guys i want to get into ff14 But i am wondering how good the pvp is ?
its the best its ever been, and the design direction theyve shown is good. Its designed around an objective based game mode which I think is cool, shares similarities with something like a moba or a hero shooter where the game revolves around using high impact, high cooldown limit breaks effectively to secure advantage.
autumn sleet
Hey guys i want to get into ff14 But i am wondering how good the pvp is ?
You dont have to grind gear. Everyone's on the same playing field.
pearl nebula
if I get hit by one more "3%" instant death chainsaw
I swear to god
3 times in one match at near full hp
I
m crying
scarlet tulip
simply do not get hit
pearl nebula
also the ninja death link makes me cry too lol
fringe tiger
Lol okay, I guess I got kicked out from the PvP discord
I don't understand people just being so obsessed with hating on RDM that somehow losing 7.2k damage with nothing redistributed anywhere else is somehow okay
sterile ibex
redistribute it to 1sec cast time 
fringe tiger
Honestly just give us Scorch from PvE as a separate ability and make it do 5k damage or something
sterile ibex
what would it do as 5k damage
it's too big for like 5k damage
unless you give it cc or dot
fringe tiger
@sterile ibex
I mean, 5k instant cast added somewhere else will be nice to replace the 7.2k we lost in DOT damage
The problem is that this game snapshots DOT damage
If DOTs reacted to guard there wouldn't have been an issue with RDM's damage
RDM is such a squishy class that just gets focused because it has very little defensive abilities that can be used while outputting offensive damage
sterile ibex
technically they could always just reduce verflare damage then add scorch if they wanted to be lazy 
to make up for lost damage
fringe tiger
Maybe
pearl nebula
chainsawed yet again
tired tulip
Heyo, anyone in Aether willing to do a casual scrim with us (sometime this week)? Need another group of 5 for custom matching.
fringe tiger
Heyo, anyone in Aether willing to do a casual scrim with us (sometime this week)...
With or against?
tired tulip
With or against?
Against.
tired tulip
I can ask my team. We're planning to play may 1st tournament
Same here. Let me know! Feel free to DM for extended conversation.
pseudo violet
thought it would be fun to get tomestones on an alt in ranked and my god its like people don't want to get passed gold
queen gyro
chainsawed yet again
restive grail
I don't understand people just being so obsessed with hating on RDM that somehow...
Err, isn't that, y'know, the point of a nerf? They were overpowered, so they took some of that power away.
patent gazelle
Youre overblowing the nerf
subtle hornet
You mean people in gold and platinum trying out reaper for the first time in ranked queues 
valid trench
ayy lmao mnk ulted a drg right as he jumped in air and killed him
stopping his LB
(he was stunned during LB actually)
queen gyro
asserting dominance
vocal hound
Err, isn't that, y'know, the point of a nerf? They were overpowered, so they too...
Yes it is 
the rdm mains ive talked with are fine with the nerf, they saw it coming
patent gazelle
this one is just coping
rdm is still fine
the overpowered dot from op it became alright
pearl nebula
It's probably unhealthy but I'm getting so tilted with CC
going from diamond 2 to 4 slowly is sapping my will to do anything
lost 5 matches in a row...it's gotta be something wrong with my play
quasi oyster
Nah
Same thing happened to me
I went from D1 qualifier to crystal to D5 no stars
and got stuck in D5 for awhile.
It's honestly the worst, but it happens.
What class are you playing?
silent wedge
how bad did war get nerfed im not seeing anymore
quasi oyster
I think some of the buffs really helped make other classes a bit more viable
Especially since it's random team comps/teammates.
silent wedge
didnt dnc always have 4s unpurifiable cc?
valid trench
couple that with whm lb after it and oh boy moving is myth
it did, but the buffs pushed it to basically spammed class and man this isnt fun
it breaks ur shield too doesnt it?
silent wedge
it doesnt say so, so gotta test it but cant you walk out of its cast animation?
patent gazelle
yes you can if you're fast enough
valid trench
thats kinda dumb cause most games are overtime, your forced to stand on the point otherwise lost
silent wedge
its kinda like thats when DNC's limit break is at its strongest
patent gazelle
dnc does almost 0 damage honestly
silent wedge
the only damage they can inflict is changing dance partners mid match
fringe tiger
I refuse to accept that the nerf to RDM wasn't overboard.
We literally saw minor buffs across the board ranging from 1k - 5k potency increase with the highest going to classes that really needed it.
RDM literally lost 7.2k damage in a single patch. That's a pretty drastic fucking drop when you consider that the highest I think anyone even received was 5k across a few skills for DNC or GNB I think
Replying to whoever said RDM wasn't overnerfed
At this point people are just jumping on the bandwagon to hate on RDM because it's the cool thing to do and it's easy
Despite the fact that MNK does insane damage, got buffed (for low-pingers) and is now unbeatable 1v1
Albeit, RDM takes far less skill than MNK
but at that point people are just coping by saying MNK deserves to be doing such ridiculous damage just because it takes high skill
Furthermore, since WHM got nerfed I saw a lot more double-healers in matches now since most people were playing WHM and you can't get 2 of the same job on one team
So losing that 7.2k damage is even a bigger deal when having to deal with 2-healer comps
I can still see RDM doing well, maybe, in coordinated teams 5v5
but 7.2k loss is pretty scuffed
They also lost GCD advantage with silence dropping from 3sec to 2sec
patent gazelle
Rdm dealt too much damage in a burst, come on. Not even mnk, drg or sam dealt that much damage in 3 gcds.
fringe tiger
Rdm dealt too much damage in a burst, come on. Not even mnk, drg or sam dealt th...
??? MNK literally fucking exploded people dude
MNK is insane lol
patent gazelle
Mnk needs lb to do it
patent gazelle
Their lb isnt teamwide either
fringe tiger
aaaa, not playlist link
That's 6.1 btw
New patch makes it impossible to come consistently close against that MNK in duels anymore
Only if they mess up their initial RoE somehow
Also, the problem with DOT is the fact that it's not reactive to active mitigation due to the engine snapshotting DOT damage like we're in 2006 World of Warcraft
DOT was OP yeah
but it's OP because the game is coded like a sack of nuts
patent gazelle
You would need Elightenment, RP and Phantom Rush to even burst as much as rdm
fringe tiger
You would need Elightenment, RP and Phantom Rush to even burst as much as rdm
So you're falling back what I said earlier:
"It's okay for MNK to do that much damage because it takes (more) skill."
I can't help it that they made RDM stupid dumb
fringe tiger
Yeah and Jay does it consistently consistently lol
So other MNKs need to strive to what he's doing because he's shown that he can do it repeatedly with almost no fail
patent gazelle
In duels it can be more consistent
fringe tiger
I played against Jay in ranked-MM a few times
patent gazelle
But in 5v5s theres a lot of shit happening
patent gazelle
I did fight against a good mnk too
fringe tiger
despite 5v5
patent gazelle
In ranked
Probably best player i fought in crystal
I was only really able to avoid death by constantly spamming heals and kiting him
fringe tiger
Either way. I agree that RDM damage needed a nerf, but the DOT damage being OP is because DOT damage isn't reactive.
Instead, part of that damage should have been redistributed to other parts of it's kit to make up for that loss. In a way that, it's more easy for devs to code so that active mitigation can reduce incoming damage
patent gazelle
Rdm burst had no set up
Just black shift, frazzle, corps de corps melee combo
Even has a disengagement attached to it
It still is strong from what ive seen
fringe tiger
Again; "It's easier thus it shouldn't be as strong."
As well, RDM also is higher risk than MNK
patent gazelle
Aoe silence is broken still even at 2s
fringe tiger
It still is strong from what ive seen
Yes, it's strong when people aren't targetting it
Just like MCH/BRD
If people just avoid hitting it
patent gazelle
No it shouldnt be as strong as mnks cause mnks requires a lot more set up than rdms?
You get your value much easier
fringe tiger
but RDM has to go in to fight, with 51000 hp, and no defensive utility if it's trying to be offensive
patent gazelle
Same with every job going in too
fringe tiger
Uh no
Melee classes have higher health pools
have shields/mitigation they can use without sacrificing damage
RDM has to sacrifice most of their damage to gain that survivability
At that point though
it's not even worth playing RDM if you're just going to white-melee
just so you can survive a bit better
patent gazelle
I mean you would shift into white if you need to survive mid combo anyways
fringe tiger
I knew the nerf was going to come for RDM but like, 7.2k is way too much
fringe tiger
I mean you would shift into white if you need to survive mid combo anyways
Yes but other melee classes don't need to do that
fringe tiger
"oh shit, need to survive. Better drop some of my damage to take less damage."
patent gazelle
Drg literally takes more damage to deal more damage
Mnk and sam can bruise through
Same with rpr
But drg and nin does sacrifice their survivability/damage for the other
fringe tiger
Here is DRG skills
Idk if I'm reading this right but
it looks like they can defense while offense without trade off
deft oriole
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patent gazelle
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deft oriole
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patent gazelle
Big squishiness
fringe tiger
but it can stack with Horrid Roar can it not?
deft oriole
can't roar everyone.
patent gazelle
The only thing drg has is damage
fringe tiger
What's DRG max hp btw if you know off the top of your head
fringe tiger
So if you take 25% extra damage, and take 50% less damage from horrid roar, would that be -25% less damage or some weird multiplier?
If it's -25% less damage then I think this is your eHP:
This is how much shield RDM gets from 3 white melee:
despite giving up most of their damage
patent gazelle
You have magicked barrier too
deft oriole
what can I tell you except that RDM is still really good and that just comparing damage output doesn't really make sense
patent gazelle
The damage isnt as absurd anymore
deft oriole
the dot was too high and the nerf is fair
patent gazelle
But it still hurts
patent gazelle
No dot does 18k damage over 9 seconds
fringe tiger
DRG gets about 4k less eHP
but can max-damage
RDM can not max-damage if trying to match DRG eHP
fringe tiger
However, I'm also not including the +20% healing from magic barrier
deft oriole
10y radius
deft oriole
RDM also has CC and is, y'know, ranged
patent gazelle
Add in
fringe tiger
But again, you're doing so little damage idk why you would bother
patent gazelle
Your still doing 20k+ dot damage from your melee combo
fringe tiger
unless you mean corps DR
fringe tiger
Your still doing 20k+ dot damage from your melee combo
I'm aware but
We lost 7.2k from DOT
that's a lot of damage lost
fringe tiger
but none of it given anywhere else
patent gazelle
20k is fine
fringe tiger
That's fine, nerf DOT
deft oriole
bro this isn't pve balancing
fringe tiger
Of course not because people don't want classes to all be viable. Just their own in PvP I guess lol
patent gazelle
Rdm was overtuned it didnt need damage redistribution
patent gazelle
Rdm is still viable what are you talking about lmao
deft oriole
so don't talk nonsense
patent gazelle
The only job with an aoe silence still
fringe tiger
I heavily disagree.
AOE silence is big, but you are focusing on what it can do despite the fact that most of the time it's not going to do that
patent gazelle
You know that sounds dumb cause ninja is supposed to have low damage
fringe tiger
I don't think RDM is a high-tier class anymore for solo-matchmaking
deft oriole
well most of the time horrid roar isn't going to affect the entire enemy team.
fringe tiger
and will heavily rely on team to keep people off you
patent gazelle
I still see rdms on the ladder
fringe tiger
or enemy team being blind to you
deft oriole
and will heavily rely on team to keep people off you
which happens in higher ranks yes
deft oriole
people who actually know how to play do exist
they're just not in matches with gold people
fringe tiger
Team game
SAM can OHKO without team.
MCH can OHKO without team.
deft oriole
no they can't
fringe tiger
Sam doesnt ohko without a team
They sure as hell still do even up to crystal lol
patent gazelle
They just get polyd
deft oriole
MCH doesn't ohko much if other team isn't stupid either.
fringe tiger
You can avoid MCH ohko?
Pretty sure you can't if he decides he wants to be on you specifically
Sure just don't group up
patent gazelle
Outside of that mch has no mobility and utility
fringe tiger
If only that worked outside of Wind map
deft oriole
claiming SAM and MCH are the big problem jobs tells me a lot
fringe tiger
smart MCH will play with their backs near the speedways
deft oriole
that you're not very aware of the high rank meta
fringe tiger
and there is very little you can do to chase them
deft oriole
because. MCH is not a huge problem
fringe tiger
that you're not very aware of the high rank meta
I was literally 4.3k crystal lol
patent gazelle
But thats all there is to it
patent gazelle
Mch and sam are falling off
fringe tiger
then why you talking up SAM and MCH man
Because OHKO exists, in a team-game, and they don't require team to accomplish something that should either require coordination or setup
patent gazelle
As people learned how to play against them they become less of an issue
fringe tiger
and just because it's a team game
doesn't mean carries shouldn't exist
MOBAs have carries
called AD carries
deft oriole
SAM and MCH aren't remotely carries
deft oriole
you gotta be baiting
patent gazelle
Its closer to an overwatch example
fringe tiger
No, I'm not baiting
patent gazelle
But no, theres no carries in such games
fringe tiger
And it's insulting that you're saying I'm baiting
patent gazelle
Just dps
fringe tiger
Its closer to an overwatch example
Overwatch has carries though?
deft oriole
>Team game
SAM can OHKO without team.
MCH can OHKO without team.
this comment man
patent gazelle
nobody calls genji a carry
deft oriole
what is it supposed to mean if not implying carry
deft oriole
acting like those are somehow solo jobs
patent gazelle
tbh
fringe tiger
what is it supposed to mean if not implying carry
It was to a previous comment worstmod said
about how team games shouldn't have 1 person that can carry
deft oriole
in other words you're saying those jobs carry
fringe tiger
Despite the fact that many team games, MOBAs, usually, do have a team carry character/player
deft oriole
which is ludicrous
deft oriole
she*
fringe tiger
and how it shouldn't be a carry because it's a team game
patent gazelle
anyways rdm shouldnt have that much utility and burst souther cross is still as strong as a drg dive
now its fine now
it has utility, mobility and duelling power
deft oriole
RDM still strong, you're overselling the nerf, enough said tbh
fringe tiger
anyways rdm shouldnt have that much utility and burst souther cross is still as ...
south-cross is nice if the enemy isn't moving. Still, only 24k is not much and obviously have to combo stuff
fringe tiger
What's funny is I've said that SAM lb should be nerfed to not do OHKO
and SAMs complain that 24k is too little
Meanwhile RDM and many other classes have 24k or less LBs
patent gazelle
not to mention souuthern cross also heals
fringe tiger
and pull of lots of coordinations
patent gazelle
sam lb is on a long ass cd too
fringe tiger
but somehow, SAM will just be useless to them if it can't OHKO
patent gazelle
and needs chiten
deft oriole
SAM LB already useless against an enemy that can pay attention
patent gazelle
people learning tell for chiten makes sam less of an issue
fringe tiger
maybe make chiten make it do 32k or w/e who cares
deft oriole
doesn't need nerf
fringe tiger
people learning tell for chiten makes sam less of an issue
Fun fact, Chiten triggers off debuffs that do no damage
patent gazelle
you deserve to die for not looking out for chiten
fringe tiger
fringe tiger
Yeah-no
patent gazelle
its on a 120 second cd without kills.
fringe tiger
It's bad gameplay lol
deft oriole
against an enemy that can pay attention it takes a smart sam to get any kuzu procs
patent gazelle
otherwise without lb rn, sam is just a worse mnk
specially they just got chiten nerfed.
fringe tiger
if Chiten had very visual feedback, and a wind-up time, then sure. Why not good gameplay. Basically a counter like in fighting games.
But even counters in fighting games have a wind-up time before being active meaning they don't come out frame-1.
Also due to this game's netcode
fringe tiger
it's fully possible to get Chiten debuff'd despite no Chiten showing on sam bar yet
patent gazelle
chiten is very noticeable
deft oriole
and unique looking buff icon
patent gazelle
its like ravana shields around the samurai
fringe tiger
their model doesn't stand out due to lowered PvP spell settings
important stuff like that
and LBs
should be standing out
There's a reason Overwatch makes ultimate voicelines very distinct and loud
deft oriole
then turn your effects up, it's helpful in CC to have a good grasp on the field
patent gazelle
"i deserved that"
fringe tiger
but in FFXIV basically everything is very minimal unless you play with pvp spell effects high
deft oriole
though yes that's a change they should make if it doesn't show on reduced settings
fringe tiger
then turn your effects up, it's helpful in CC to have a good grasp on the field
I wouldn't be able to see my character lol
patent gazelle
you dont need to see much of your character anyways
deft oriole
but that's a qol problem not an inherent problem with the job design
fringe tiger
I remember one time my settings reset during savage raid somehow
and I couldnt' see mechanics during that attempt
lmao
Was nice seeing all the pretty colors though
wary orchid
really liking ast
fringe tiger
Dude, SGE is lowkey going to become meta due to WHM polymorph not removing ground effects anymore
WHM + SGE combo
gonna be thicc
patent gazelle
sge gonna be annoying yeah
fringe tiger
I think there problem is
There isn't enough to identify you've been silenced
Until it's too late
Also purify needs to be quicker
patent gazelle
its just that purify needs to be almost instant
shadow adder
CC have a chance to drop minion? o.O
lone jay
CC have a chance to drop minion? o.O
That's an achievement minion
1 for 300 kills, 1 for 300 assists
subtle hornet
That's an achievement minion
@shadow adder the achievement minion is a separate one
fringe tiger
You'll get them quite a bit if you're a monster
subtle hornet
That's a rng drop from wins
