archived-player-vs-player

[amber escarp]

skill issue

i keep gaining and losing all the time, its kind of frustrating

[candid patrol]

i'm getting a lot of dc issues

[amber escarp]

what would you say is essential for a win? focus fire?

[candid patrol]

pushing the crystal

[amber escarp]

yeah....

[spiral brook]

Keeping people off the crystal

Definitely want to focus on their big hitters or main CC jobs

[amber escarp]

I feel like I'm using an iron rod to cut lol

yeah, ive found it easiest to just ignore tanks at least in the opening for the most part

[crude heron]

But that's the thing people don't focus shit

[amber escarp]

somehow its a 50/50 split where sometimes your party has synergy and sometimes not

[candid patrol]

i'm not kidding... getting out of bronze is literally pushing the crystal. ppl don't understand that chasing ppl down isn't winning u games, make sure there's someone on the crystal at all times if possible

[amber escarp]

i thought this was a meme at first but its an actual issue its so funny

[amber escarp]

i tend to lose games due to wipes tho, ive only occasionally had a loss where people didnt understand the overtime/crystal pushing rules

[candid patrol]

again... that's mainly cuz ur too focused on killing rather than zoning the crystal

[amber escarp]

what if the enemy is on the crystal tho

i dont really chase, if the crystal is free of enemies and noone is close nearby i just focus on pushing it

[candid patrol]

if EVERY enemy is on the crystal, it's ezier to wipe them

[amber escarp]

yeah but also no

[candid patrol]

also, i'm not a fan of focusing on the tanks

[amber escarp]

yeah me neither... do you prioritize healers over dps? or not

[candid patrol]

depends who's in front of u

if a whm jumps in, take it out first

[vast crag]

a person who can't guard first 😹

[candid patrol]

if a sam jumps in, take that out

[amber escarp]

so you you mainly go by proximity in terms of choosing a target?

[candid patrol]

yeah, cuz if u CHASE, u WILL be focused

[amber escarp]

yeah yeah, have had that many times lol

[glossy cape]

if it's a WHM or a SGE, go after them

if it's an AST or a SCH

meh, who cares

WHM and SGE are far more deadly than AST or SCH

WHM can actually life support others

[amber escarp]

WHM are almost like a tank to kill it feels like at times

[candid patrol]

don't go behind the lines tho, but if ur a nin or a drg, u have a bit more flexibility

[glossy cape]

SGE has debuffs and stinky field lb

yeha

WHM are the only healer with proper heals

afaik

[amber escarp]

ive played pretty much just drg, and from what i can tell its a good job for its limit break, but it can also good finishing people off

[vocal osprey]

a dmg reduction of 10% and two heals of 10k potency iirc

[candid patrol]

also, i know sometimes ur not in control, but dying hurts a lot

[amber escarp]

i guess a lot of it has to do with coordinating the team to not rush into the fight again right away

many games i probably lost because of that

[vocal osprey]

the further you get in ranks the more you will see your team wait on the enemy or the crystal to unbind

[candid patrol]

it took me a long time to learn that jumping in is ez, but getting out is a skill

[amber escarp]

because if a teammates rushes in you have to debate if you want to reenter aswell or wait

[vocal osprey]

pushing is usually a death wish

[amber escarp]

true

[crude heron]

Good god 9 minutes and 15 seconds

I don't know how but we pushed the crystal all the way from our side to their side during overtime

[candid patrol]

skill, sheer power of will

[vocal osprey]

happened to me aswell

[crude heron]

And then I lb'd and killed 4 of them and we won

[vocal osprey]

id hate to be on the other team

[candid patrol]

lol

[amber escarp]

ive found tho that at the lower ranks its somewhat benefitial to damage someone before the crystal unlocks, because hp bars are an easy way to coordinate target priority

[candid patrol]

yeah, if ur a drg, u can launch ur aoe as a poke

[vocal osprey]

popping a quick ogcd then getting in cover again isn't a bad idea

[amber escarp]

i guess im just looking for a "win quick!" solution that doesnt exist haha, it sounds so simple and obvious when you guys explain it

[vocal osprey]

you can’t do the work of 4 other people

[vocal hound]

most of it comes down to the team who corrdinate the most out of the box

[amber escarp]

unfortunately yeah

[vocal hound]

i would have liked 3v3

[versed lily]

i feel like redmage is actually guna be a low rank stomper

the aoe silence off the bat really just wins momentum right away

and then u melee whoever dives in and they just drop dead cus the dot isnt reduced by guard if its already up

[sinful tundra]

finally got gold lit

[lapis mauve]

Hell yeah

Gj

[sinful tundra]

tyy

[candid patrol]

shoot... i just realized garo req. lvl60

[lapis mauve]

This is so crazy to me

You need level 60 in all CLASSES for all garo titles

[candid patrol]

i mean i'm close for all classes... but ast... but still

[lapis mauve]

wtf was squeenix thinking

I only have like 5 level 50-60's

Make the gear level 1 imo

[versed lily]

ive seen ppl say the garo event is guna probs be up til 7.0

[lapis mauve]

Yeah i can probably level the classes to 60

[candid patrol]

is it?

[lapis mauve]

I won't but probably could

[lapis mauve]

Last time it apparently lasted 3 years

And 7.0 is like 1 - 2 years away

[candid patrol]

well that would be nice

[vague crater]

for the garo titles, how do I get them? Is it just equiping the gear then talking to her?

[candid patrol]

yeah

make sure u equip one of the titles so u can farm the mounts

[vague crater]

ye just looked at them for that

also do diff modes give diff series exp?

[spiral brook]

Frontlines give 1000/1250/1500

CC gives 700/900

[candid patrol]

i wouldn't worry much about the xp part lol it really adds up quick

[spiral brook]

Yeah you got plenty of time too unless you want to grind ranks for the currency

I’m aiming for just 1-2 ranks a day currently

[candid patrol]

haha even 1-2 ranks a day sounds like a lot

[glossy cape]

I got like 5

[candid patrol]

i'm grinding casual to get the mounts quicker lol

[glossy cape]

I had some banger matches in bronze with like 1:48 being quickest

But then I got to silver and people are throwing

[sudden crest]

silver queues are fucking awful

I cannot get out of this awful fucking rank

[muted falcon]

I still don't really get crystalline conflict. Do you move the crystal to the enemy side or back to your side? There's so much trying to get ahold of it, I can't tell.

[sudden crest]

enemy side

I can quite literally live in a 1v4 for 30s and my entire team loses to a 4v1

at the same time

[glossy cape]

That 1 is 100% Sam and the 4 are monkeys who hit their Chiten

[sudden crest]

its not a sam

quite ltierally its been things like mch or smn

[glossy cape]

Oh

Your teams fucking throwing then lmao

Or the MCH hit the godly 3%

[sudden crest]

even then when it has been a sam, its literally EARLY GAME

so NO LBS

[glossy cape]

Outplayed

[sudden crest]

half of the players in silver still don't fucking use LB or recup

I might have to start filling in my blacklist to stop getting shitters

[fathom shard]

forever silver rank, yeah

just gonna keep losing till i get that cool glamour then im done, dunno how people are gettng plat rank

[glossy cape]

God gamers who got other god teams

Or single handedly turned the match

It's possible to 1v5

You just gotta play well on a job with good aoe

BLM is a fucking menace for that shit

[fathom shard]

im on brd, gving myself the hardest road

[glossy cape]

BRD can melt in the 3s of silence

And the 3s is all you need to melt someone while the whm is silenced

[fathom shard]

keep gettng double healer team lol

[sudden crest]

double healer is fine

[glossy cape]

If it's not whm + sge
Nothing changes

[sudden crest]

whm + sge is really fucking good

[glossy cape]

If it's ast and sch
Might as well just be 3 + 2 NPCs

Whm is the only healer with good healing

Sge has nasty debuffs

Ast has the whole LB gen card, but it's rng

And sch
Idfk what scholar does
Not win, that's for sure

[sudden crest]

normal ranked behaviour

[muted falcon]

This Frontline match was like the 1st time I've seen 4 healers on my side. We ended up winning too.

[candid patrol]

yeah, was saying earlier, most parties will have 4 whm on their side and have 12 flash cannons blasted in ur face when they get lb

[sweet oracle]

I'm trying to understand if It is me who suck as as dragoon

Or my teammates

[west patrol]

Oh wait this chat gets used now

I forgot

So idk what pvp is about cuz that was my first time playing it but i played frontline

I kinda just 1v1'd a SAM for like the last 4 minutes

Neither of us would die

[sudden crest]

Is samurai LB bugged??

I have lb'd drg twice now with kuzushi on them, its not instakilling them

[west patrol]

I was on PLD

[sudden crest]

?????????????????

WE'RE LITERALLY ON CRYSTAL?

[vocal hound]

you prob werent when it mattered, you can still move for a sec or 2 when game's ending

[sudden crest]

I was the only one who left crystal

everyone else was still stunned in crystal

Still have no idea why kuzushi is not giving me instakills in my lb

[glossy cape]

yeah, it's very wonky sometimes

but i think it's because you deal TARGET'S max hp

so if you target a healer

it ain't gonna kill others lul

[sudden crest]

oooh so if I target a warrior it would 100% kill everyone

I thought it meant everyone wtih the debuff I understand

[candid patrol]

well... not sure if it's ever safe to jump a war

[sudden crest]

I used it as an example

[glossy cape]

i'm assuming that's it
i'm still not sure

but it would explain the inconsistency of it

Swiftly charges forward, dealing damage to target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 24,000. If target is afflicted with Kuzushi, deals damage equal to 100% of their maximum HP.

it's either
A) Target as in anyone hit
B) Target as in the person being targetted

[sudden crest]

actual pain

[glossy cape]

I mean

obviously the astra team was more co-ordinated

[west patrol]

Lmao persons name is Throat Goat

Love thay

That*

[sudden crest]

idk both whms on both sides just used LB the moment they got it

[glossy cape]

makai sage

is drk

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[merry steeple]

Hi

[glossy cape]

ALOOOOOOOHA

[merry steeple]

I'm curious where I could find a PvP team to join

I'm sure there's a discord for it

or something

but idk what to search I felt like I should just ask around here
I'd rather not have to resort to having a team because I just want to queue and play, but it's not working out for me for getting out of bronze lol

teams kind of suck and the lack of communication in CC is awful

[sudden crest]

pvp teams don't work with CC rn

[merry steeple]

they don't yet?

it says they do on the PvP team board

I hate this, why can't we use chat in CC
you need to communicate to play this kind of game ranked

.-.

the quick chat isn't really enough

[sudden crest]

quick chat is useless

[merry steeple]

exactly

people just use it to be toxic

[sudden crest]

also I've heard people say there isn't a way for pvp teams to queue in

[merry steeple]

and say stuff like "good match" after you flub the enemy's initial push

when you still have like two minutes

[glossy cape]

ok but

if you wreck a team early on

it's a high chance of a quick w

cause you're getting that LB soon

[crude heron]

SE takes away chat because it was toxic, only for people to use quick chat to be toxic and annoying because it has sound effects. Proving that attempting to stop toxicity is a futile effort.

[glossy cape]

You can be toxic while being mute

Hell

you can be fucking toxic in Conway's game of life lmao

throw a glider at someone's glider spawner

[sudden crest]

people are already toxic everywhere else, how about don't remove communication in the one mode that requires it

like it fucking sucks not being able to tell people to use LB or recup

[crude heron]

Clearly I am missing a vital component to this pvp thing because my first few gold matches have been fucking nightmares.

[versed lily]

what class u playing

[crude heron]

Samurai

[versed lily]

samurai can be really good, stick with the death ball and run out when ur def are on cd

basically press meikyo shisui, then ur stun then if its just one person midare, if 2 ogi nami and the proc after that first

loads of dmg

empower ur 2nd and 3rd combo abilities with ur charge

the root is so short i dont ever really bother with empowering it unless the dmg from charge might just kill someoen

[vernal wing]

how can u tell if someone is using their lb?

[versed lily]

honestly i struggle with that they are all so fast

i just dont attack samurai when they have lb ready and dragoon is easy to dodge

rest are just luck and not letting myself sit low hp

[vernal wing]

thx

[crude heron]

I'm honestly just annoyed at the complaining about jobs at this point

[crude heron]

None of that matters if I just get blown the fuck up immediately by 4 people

[versed lily]

ye somtimes that happens, u can always turn it around when u have ult by running in popping ur defensive and oneshotting half their team

dont forget to activate sprint between heals if ur running , it has no cd

[crude heron]

I need a break. It's amazing that as soon you go from silver to gold there's a jump in the skill ceiling. It makes sense it's just frustrating as hell.

[versed lily]

i feel like somtimes its just matchmaking, when im against a white mage warrior and we have like a gunbreaker astro i know its guna be a uphill battle

got plat 3 atm

[crude heron]

I've been practically useless the last 4 matches

[versed lily]

try redmage, u get to just sit back aoe silence then go in for melee combo hop out

[fringe tiger]

This is how you dont play redmage

[sinful tundra]

yeah they start putting u with high golds and plats its kinda tough

[versed lily]

works for me

[vague crater]

So like

How does pvp determine matchmaking if any

[sinful tundra]

just random rly

[versed lily]

u mean by skill level or classes

it atleast feels like it tries to match tanks and heals

not always tho

[vague crater]

In terms of skill

[sinful tundra]

its by ranking

[versed lily]

hidden mmr, beat ppl with higher mmr gain more mmr

[vague crater]

Bc I’ve had like 5 games back to back of people doing less than 400k on my team and the enemy doing 800+

[sinful tundra]

^

[vague crater]

[sinful tundra]

skill issue i fear

[versed lily]

gotta wait for it to sort u

[vague crater]

This is cursed

I don’t like this

But I want liche king armor

[fringe tiger]

Are those armors

end of season rewards

because I don't see them on vendors

[vague crater]

The Garo event is like to the right on the dock from the entrance to vendors

[fringe tiger]

I didn't see a vendor on the map there

[vague crater]

You’ll see a bunch of people surrounding the npc

[fringe tiger]

hrm

I'll have to check after this match

[sinful tundra]

its called a priest

disputable priest something lkike that

[vague crater]

Ye

[fringe tiger]

wolves den?

[sinful tundra]

ye

NE side of the map

[vague crater]

She’s not labeled as a vendor

So you won’t see it on the map

[versed lily]

theres like a highres version of job armours u buy with crystals, lvl 25 in the battlepass is the new season set

and garo is event with wolf marks

[fringe tiger]

what

[vague crater]

Yes the Garo gear is bought w/ wolf marks

The artifact armor from level 60 can be bought w/ the crystal currency.

It’s higher Rez and has some color differences

[fringe tiger]

Oh the artifact armor is garbage

yeah

idr seeing garo anywhere

[versed lily]

buy a set of garo gear u can equip, talk to the woman to get a title and equip that, so then u can start earning the mounts

[fringe tiger]

Wait

So I haven't been gaining anything

[versed lily]

30 crystal wins, 10 frontline wins , 60 of any gametype

[fringe tiger]

and I've been pvping

this entire fucking time?

[vague crater]

Yeah

Rip ur mounts

[versed lily]

honestly only frontlines will be a pain to get

1/3 chance of winning and you have less impact being with 72

[vague crater]

Ye but we have forever on it right?

[vernal wing]

where do u buy the garo gear?

[versed lily]

also just abuse summoner in frontline lol

[vague crater]

NE of wolves den

Look for people surrounding an NPC priest

[vernal wing]

thx

[versed lily]

thought i might get 25 tonight but doesnt seem like it , after 20 its slowed to a crawl

[fringe tiger]

Fucking dogshit coding lmao

literally nothing

on the map

????

No RDM weapon

guess it's for old classes

[versed lily]

ye its just a rerelease

[fringe tiger]

Skirt?

[candid patrol]

hot

[versed lily]

these new pvp cards really made me realise how many people made their char look like the trailer mascot

[fringe tiger]

Really tired of fucking how broken warrior's burst damage is

literally no-brain aoe stun and 50% health loss

what is it, 2 fucking buttons?

[versed lily]

i do feel like maybe a bitt to much dmg is loaded into their LB

u can felcleave so many times in a row while they cant guard

+16k aoe stun

[lapis mauve]

I hate this shit so bad too

AoE stun is enough but they land like a mini nuke

[lapis mauve]

16K omfg

[fringe tiger]

whatever they do feels like more than 16k

and it's like every 20 seconds

or w/e

[lapis mauve]

Yeah probably the most cancerous thing

Warriors might be kings at contesting point

And DrK but they are tanks

[versed lily]

they can instantly do 24k dmg

28*

stun + ogcd aoe and charge

[lapis mauve]

It's ultra stupid

[fringe tiger]

oh boy

other team has tank/healer

we have all dps

wonder who will win

lmao we have mch/bard

braindead design:

[sweet fable]

is pvp not as closely balanced is pve?

[fringe tiger]

Dude

What the fuck is causing me to not be able to guard?

my guard ability just grays out

for no fucking reason

[eager bluff]

Warrior LB

?

[fringe tiger]

Fuck this matchmaking

[vocal hound]

true!

[fringe tiger]

diamond 2 seems to be my ELO hell atm. Feels like a toss up to what teammates I get

[frank marlin]

imagine having a warrior in your party does uses their lb haha cant be me,,,

[lapis mauve]

So how does RDM work? i get the shift thing but once i go in and smoke a dude with corps and the melee combo , i jump out , cast my last melee ability for the 20% and then i just chill and cast spells while i get my cd's back?

It's crazy good ngl deals so much damage

[fringe tiger]

Fucking tired of this shit, nerf fucking warriors

[frank marlin]

holy shit lucky

prayed a bit too hard for the overtime

[magic linden]

I'm finally out of that Platinum hell...

Praise be.

[lapis mauve]

Holy SHIT

RDM IS UNRREAL

I'm sorry monk bros but i need to hit diamond

[austere dune]

does anybody know when the GARO event is ending? I can't seem to find anywhere where they've listed a date

just did some searching through the discord for answers nevermind, hopefully it's as long as the last one

[magic linden]

Well fuck my life.

[frank marlin]

maybe i should get rdm,, lol

im playing monk and sam for pvp but honestly i dont like sam's cast

[lapis mauve]

DRG's seem to be the kings of hitting 1 mil

I think the most i did with MNK was like 900k and it was a long ass match

[somber breach]

Just going to say fuck ranked pvp.

Tired of dealing with morons.

[fringe tiger]

Fuck the way they designed pvp

LET ME FUCKING TYPE

[somber breach]

Once again top DPS and most kills on team. Lose. Stupidest shit ever.

[queen gyro]

Just tried 6.1 pvp today as WHM and it feels like trying to drive with an abacus

I dunno how it works

[modest oak]

Yeah I can't catch a break either

Feels like my team just does nothing but just feed LB

[lapis mauve]

Fuck the match making

If a TEAM HAS A WARRIOR

GIVE EVERYONE ONE

Or nobody

[modest oak]

Honestly if you have the best stats on your team you deserve to not lose stars

[fringe tiger]

I am once again

one match away

from crystal

I wonder if the game will make me go on a lose streak again

[modest oak]

I got to gold and am now losing cause my teams useless

[somber breach]

I just want to hit gold...

I can't even win in silver with this.

I've lost all hope for Primal's silver players.

[vocal hound]

yeah while i love the revamp to classes, i'd like more agency in 5v5 as its mostly the team that has more coordination out of the gate wins

[fringe tiger]

Fucking FINALLY

[somber breach]

Like idk what else I can do to actually win. I'm doing call outs and doing my best.

[timber iron]

that's like a nail to the coffin for voison lol

[somber breach]

I just don't get how some people (not aellesa) are hitting gold+

and they don't even play pvp

[fringe tiger]

What do you usually focus in matches?

[lapis mauve]

Would be abused

[timber iron]

keep trying buddy, i believe that is what they call the elo hell
im glad i didnt struggle as much as you did

[lapis mauve]

SCH can just cast cancer and poison and do jack shit but get 1mil dps

[modest oak]

Abused but deserve

I shouldnt be losing stars cause other people play poorly

[timber iron]

i remember theres a system like this out there, forgot which game

[somber breach]

Depends on the comp and what I'm playing. MCH I usally bully healers & other players (not tanks) and trying to setup focus on weaker players.
DRG I try to setup focus kills on healers or weak range.

[somber breach]

god yes

Should be judged on how you do, not your team

especially with randoms

[vocal hound]

spamming until you get lucky enough to reach another rank

[somber breach]

not going well

[lapis mauve]

Fair enoug

[vocal hound]

luck diff, i had a 6 or so game winning streak to hit silver 1 then all the way back down to silver 3

[somber breach]

[fringe tiger]

So, here is something I've learned. This might not work for you, because I play RDM and my damage-ramp up takes a while but hurts like hell if they don't react.

Tanks are actually a high priority target, especially paladins. Why?

Think of it like this:

Your team is avoiding attacking the tank, and they use all their cooldowns to fight/kill the DPS players. Now all that's left is the tank and maybe a DPS.

That crystal isn't going to move so logn asd the Tank is on there, and everyone just used all their CDs fighting the DPS. The people still alive just have to hold out long enough for the team to come back.

I've seen PLDs live 1v5 on a crystal for a very long time, long enough for his entire team to come back.

Also, if the tanks died, their frontline is gone and their backline now becomes frontline

My priority list is something like this

[somber breach]

[fringe tiger]

RDM > PLD > WAR > DRG > everyone else

RDM needs to die fucking quick as shit, if you leave them alive they WILL kill someone

and there is no amount of healing that can stop it

but that's only if they're a good RDM

Look at who uses their guard (blue bubble) and throw all your cooldowns on them

[weary inlet]

So RDM is shit but RDM is a high prio target

[fringe tiger]

RDM is shit as a team player

They're a hit and run assassin

also

RDM counters RDM

There are only two classes I've found that can kill me (RDM) 1v1 and that's MNK and SAM, and they need to be really fucking good in order to pull it off

RDM does very little to help team fights. I guess line-silence is cool when enemy is stacked on crystal

but that's about it

3sec is enough for 1 GCD

silence also prevents guard

[lapis mauve]

God RDM is sexy AF

This match had me quakin

[vocal hound]

dancer high prio?

they usually do high dmg

[fringe tiger]

Do they?

In my road from PLAT -> Crystal

[vocal hound]

from experiences

[lapis mauve]

I haven't seen a dancer once in platinum lol

[fringe tiger]

I've only ever seen

ONE dancer

ONE

[lapis mauve]

XD

Exactly

Their ult is great on paper but its hard to capitalize on it with randos

[vocal hound]

i tried monk but they take a long time to get phantomrush

[somber breach]

is RDM really that good?

[lapis mauve]

Dude

I was a purist MNK

Stuck in Plat 4

Im streaking now with RDM

[vocal hound]

whats a monk role?

like ik its dps but

[lapis mauve]

High burst assassin

[vocal hound]

what should they be doing

[lapis mauve]

You can 1 shot half the classes with LB ready

[somber breach]

fuck it. let's try it out in casual.

[lapis mauve]

I literally just picked up RDM

Never played in PVE

My mind will be forever tainted by RDM in pvp

[somber breach]

I use to in PvE

[lapis mauve]

Vanilla set SLAPS

[somber breach]

PvP looked weird though

[fringe tiger]

RDM is very strong at 1v1. It's a hit-run assassin that can beat pretty much everyone 1v1 if all cooldowns are ready. It takes a very damn good monk/sam to be able to beat you 1v1.

RDM doesn't have great burst, but instead stacks lots of DOT over time and then peppers a lot of smaller oGCDs in.

DOTs go through guard if applied before they guard. So, by the time they guard after 3 hits it's already too late and they have 12000 pot DOT

RDM isn't a teamplayer though

NIN can't do shit to them, or DRG as well

[somber breach]

idc about team player at this fucking point lol

[fringe tiger]

I haven't found a NIN/DRG player that can 1v1 me yet

[somber breach]

going anti-social

[fringe tiger]

took me a while to find MNK/SAM

[lapis mauve]

God once again i get no TANK

[fringe tiger]

One thing that sucks about RDM though

[vocal hound]

target prio for dps?

[fringe tiger]

is people can just run away from your charge

[fringe tiger]

??

[vocal hound]

like who to prio first

[fringe tiger]

RDM > PLD > WAR > DRG > everyone else
RDM needs to die fucking quick as shit, if you leave them alive they WILL kill someone
and there is no amount of healing that can stop it
but that's only if they're a good RDM
Look at who uses their guard (blue bubble) and throw all your cooldowns on them

[modest oak]

I just got my first pvp draw

Did not know that can happen

[fathom shard]

was almost out of silver, lol now back to base

[vocal hound]

does whm count?

also why pld and war so up the list

[fringe tiger]

Because if you don't kill him, no one will. And the crystal will never move in your favor

[lapis mauve]

Wonder who will win

Place your bets

[vocal hound]

scholar never wins

[somber breach]

not true

WAR

[lapis mauve]

Wow

We won surprisingly

Enemy team SAM was braindead

They all did tbh they let me wreck havoc

[somber breach]

lets see how bad I am

[lapis mauve]

You leave your cocoon and become a RDM

Welcome to the real world FOO

[somber breach]

It's... different

[modest oak]

Goddddddddd

[lapis mauve]

6 games in a row win - loss - win - loss

[modest oak]

Why is overtime so bullshit

[lapis mauve]

Plat 2 2 - Plat 2 - 1 omfg

[modest oak]

It literally never works in my favor

[lapis mauve]

Im loosing my sanity

im in a loop

[modest oak]

I should be platinum by now

But I just keep getting these awful teammates

[somber breach]

[modest oak]

No matter the comp we always seem to lack damage because it's always spread out while I'm eating like 4 different abilities

[somber breach]

not ranked but it def. hits hard

[lapis mauve]

Ok im sure of it

WHM LB needs a fucking nerf

[subtle hornet]

Do you use white shift as rdm? Or stay to nuke in black shift?

[somber breach]

Mostly stayed in black

Most people ignored me

[lapis mauve]

Yeah to silence noobs

[subtle hornet]

White shift for resolution, black shift for everything else?

[somber breach]

okay RDM is fun

jumping on people and dotting them then jumping away and nuking them is soooo fun

[timber iron]

yall think SE will ever enable chat in ranked match?

[hollow frost]

it would probably be toxic though

[modest oak]

Dude it's so unreal

I'm done with pvp I guess

I'd rather just go and throw dice at this point

[somber breach]

no

[lapis mauve]

Dude in a game where microaggressions exist

Pvp would be ban city

[modest oak]

They shouldn't otherwise my account would be banned by the end of my session

Because I would be typing more then playing so I can wish my teammates the worst fate possible

[rocky shale]

Wow, my whole team are even on Kills

[modest oak]

Literally dropping my rank with something out of my control

[timber iron]

toxic gang unite

[modest oak]

Like I shouldn't be losing stars yet my team just does no damage

I somehow get the worst warrior players and paladin players but the enemy team never dies if there's a warrior or paladin

My red mage does no damage yet the enemy team red mage is burning through mine just fine

[somber breach]

SAME

[modest oak]

Honestly if I really wanna get into pvp I would just play LOL instead tbh at least that has some form of being able to carry

[hollow frost]

sometimes you go in and compare your team comp with the enemy's you know its a lost already

9/10 of GNB i get underperform

[rocky shale]

[modest oak]

All 4 of my teammates always underperform

And when they do something finally it's like a little spark that lasts for like 5 seconds

Then we wipe and just keep dying

[hollow frost]

I'm WHM so sometimes i can turn the tides with a 4/5 man stun

but it happen quite rarely though

[timber iron]

i bet most of you all, including me, are losing matches in a very fast way, but when you finally win a game, it's a hard earned victory

[hollow frost]

yeahh although WHM is undoubtly strong, every match i play there's a enemy WHM

[rocky shale]

I ran into DRK who spams Shadowbringers and not self healing, earns 6 deaths in a row

[modest oak]

My whm must have his healing unbinded

[hollow frost]

unless i try my hardest to outperform the enemy WHM its gonna be a loss

[lapis mauve]

Scholar gang doing the most damage and never winning 😂

[warm shadow]

Stop spying on me

[somber breach]

So dirty.

[lapis mauve]

Super dirty

Morally wrong too

[somber breach]

They just ignored me

While dotting and jumping on them

[lapis mauve]

2 wins away from diamond

WISH ME LUCK

[somber breach]

[vocal hound]

as a monk do you save LB for when someone have guard?

or just use it asap

[lapis mauve]

omfg

OMFG

I ONLY NEEDED 1

WE DID IT FELLAS

[somber breach]

grats

okay

I just 1vs1 a monk

it was so easily, he couldn't kill me.

I love rdm.

[lapis mauve]

RDM

Is so amazing

I feel bad i turned my back on MNK after being stuck in plat for like 2 hours

but i had to do it to em

[somber breach]

he chased me all the way to spawn too to try and kill me

poor guy

[fringe tiger]

Oh no, nto another one

[somber breach]

he got close

[fringe tiger]

Yeah like I said

[fringe tiger]

RDM wins 1v1 against all classes. If you play well, only an extremely good mnk/sam can kill you

keyword is can

it's not guaranteed and can be a toss-up to the last hitpoint

[lapis mauve]

Exactly when i was playing MNK i would have to dump Everything

[fringe tiger]

down to the wire even

[lapis mauve]

to kill a RDM

[somber breach]

a few more casual then ima try ranked

[fringe tiger]

Want to come duel me and see if you're one of those really good MNK players?

[somber breach]

[lapis mauve]

I am now a fellow RDM

[fringe tiger]

rip

[somber breach]

"cant beat them, join them"

[fringe tiger]

I don't see many RDM at higher ranks though

I see more SMN

than RDM

I see even less BLM

[lapis mauve]

It seems cursed almost lol literally picked up RDM and streaked from Plat to diamond

I did 1 practice game too XD

[somber breach]

[lapis mauve]

Pvp kits are designed easy enough thank god

[somber breach]

this is going to hurt

[fringe tiger]

Focus their RDM.

Wait for them to dive, silence them as white, shift black, charge, barrier, melee combo and kill them

If they're bad though and never dive then I suggest you focus whoever the first diver is

just tab to them and silence them, and do the above combo

if you're quick enough

[somber breach]

monk & sam are focusing me, they know lol

[fringe tiger]

pop sprint and run away lol

sprint doesn't wear off while taking damage

only when you use an action

so they won't be able to keep up

[somber breach]

games fucked anyway

[fringe tiger]

use the speed ways

[somber breach]

our whm is awful

[fringe tiger]

to be even more annoying

oof

[somber breach]

just practice anyway

[vocal hound]

bro idk if its me or the servers

but im getting dced

witnessing the last breath of a dancer

[hollow frost]

The dragoons i met either are the hard carries or the first one to die in the first 10 secs. Such a double edge sword lol

[olive meadow]

Love when Im in the back line 3v1 and my team still manages to lose early 2v4 XD

[timber iron]

[vocal hound]

not sure what happen

was doing the LB on monk

with 50% + 8k increase on a target with no guard

5.8k dmg

[azure saffron]

high rank rdm exist

also i put ignore marker on paladin LUL

[somber breach]

please someone . I'm done.

I can't

these people are so fucking stupid

[vocal hound]

pain

one amtch we end it in about 40 sec

the other its us getting reckt and ended in 40 sec

like

match flow diff

[somber breach]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-unga-bunga-loading-uga-gif-23786525

Just having legit fucking feeders on my team now

[azure saffron]

icant

[timber iron]

worst thing is you are a healer and nobody paid any attention to you

[marble stump]

I feel personally attacked

A lot of the redesigned classes are pretty fun though, whm included

[hollow frost]

i put a + mark on my head and use the blocking xxx ping when im targeted, its useful

[somber breach]

if only people could learn the classes before going into ranked.

8-1. top DPS. lost.

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-this-is-truly-fucking-stupid-dislike-disagree-dont-do-it-thats-stupid-gif-14205495

[formal dragon]

why I must always in the loser team ... I can never get pass the 2 stars bronze rank

seems as if people just participate to lose

[plain cloud]

Im conflicted if I wanna try to climb anymore

I like the gold frame and love the diamond frame

but I absolutely hate the platinum frame

what if I get stuck in plat and regret not just staying with gold frame

[somber breach]

Doesn't hurt to try, besides mentally

[plain cloud]

it hurts if I get stuck in plat because you only get the frame for your rank, I like the gold frame, hate the plat frame and love the diamond frame

cant derank back to gold if I hit plat and I figure out I cant actually hit diamond

thats what im scared of

[somber breach]

team player.

[marble stump]

Has that been confirmed? That we dont get all the previous rewards, at least the frames, as well?

The FAQ doesnt really explicitly state it one way or the other

Players who rate among the bronze tier or higher by the end of the season can receive the tier rewards listed below by speaking with the Seasonal Quartermaster at the Wolves' Den Pier (X:4.9 Y:5.7).

[plain cloud]

All the news sites ive seen show this basically

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660810967516577795/964538048694079539/unknown.png

it does make sense but I dont wanna get stuck with a plat frame

[deft oriole]

That's how the Feast tier rewards worked right? You only got the title and accessory/whatever for your exact rank?

[lapis mauve]

Thats lame what if i want gold border for a cool gold themed adventure plate

[warm sedge]

bro MCH’s chain saw is so stinky if it gets off the 3% chance

i respawned, ran up to the crystal, and instantly got bonked

[lapis mauve]

I will never forget loosing overtime bcus a machinist took me down and 2 others with 1 chainsaw

[warm sedge]

mixed feelings about chance elements in a pvp mode

[sudden crest]

Is there a way to quick target enemy players

Or do I have to settle on clicking them in the player list

[lapis mauve]

Do draws ruin my winstreaks? XD

[lapis mauve]

They do

[lethal bronze]

You can set up a macro, /target <e1-5>

[sudden crest]

Pog! Ty

Does that mean I could mark someone before ever being near them as well?

[lethal bronze]

Yep

[candid patrol]

i just tab through them lol

[deft oriole]

Keybind for target closest enemy is helpful

[lapis mauve]

Jesus im wrecking thru Diamond

Teams definitely are way better here

every match is so hype i'm getting high blood pressure

[lethal bronze]

Same, every match has been overtime so far though, pretty sweet

[lapis mauve]

Welp

[lapis mauve]

Wow i won lol

Never give up i guess

[stark grove]

Guess who won

[lapis mauve]

Umm you?

[stark grove]

correct

Quick portrait advantage

their mental was shattered before the game even began

[lapis mauve]

Jesus diamond BRD's are brutal

Had to focus instakill one like thrice to win the game

[glossy cape]

@lapis mauve https://fxtwitter.com/DynamicTaru/status/1515074863513456642?t=5EH4YoaIVIP_Wu_VVGgF0w&s=19

You seen this?

Lmao

[lapis mauve]

No lol

Dude ill see it after this

LAST GAME

IF I WIN

I GET CRYSTAL

[glossy cape]

You wish

Big L

[lapis mauve]

XDDD

Don't hit me with the jinx

[glossy cape]

Big

Fucking

L Ratip

[lapis mauve]

I DID

IT!!!!!!!!

YEAAAAA

[lapis mauve]

Wtf

[fathom shard]

what is crystal credit for

[lapis mauve]

Since there isn't any rank after Crystal you essentially just start winning cumulative points

Player with most wins/points gets #1 simple as

But screw that lol i just wanted crystal border

I punched the wall like 5 hours ago and my pinky is swollen im done with pvp lol

[void dawn]

Need help understanding how the people im jumping on keep healing, like way more than the 4 times recup allows. And its not just a personal heal skill its like theyre bouncing back to half hp every time I get them critically low

I'll be hitting someone off the gcd for 20 seconds and theyre still just running away from me popping up health

[lapis mauve]

Depends on class

[void dawn]

Oh... I forgot the white mage pvp bug exists, that might be it

Since almost every game I'm against a white mage

I was assuming it wasnt a healer nearby since their heals are supposed to have a cooldown

[lapis mauve]

I mean even with the bug against Healers always make sure you have your shutdown ready

As RDM with 3 sec silence i can burst one b4 he spams heal

[void dawn]

I've been told RDM is a good job due to healer bursting. I tried out Warrior but even throwing everything on the whm that has cc or makes them take more damage, they just wouldnt die

[lapis mauve]

RDM is king bro

Was stuck in plat , picked up RDM without ZERO experience not even in PVE and went Plat > Crystal in like 6 hours xd

[sharp lagoon]

Is drk good in pvp?

[amber escarp]

Cerys#9745

[versed lily]

sch dot is busted in frontlines, literally press 123 and do that dmg

tho whm is way more busted, does that damage and healing

[somber breach]

Wonder if I'll get out of Silver hell

Today

[somber breach]

I'm going to try and just stick to RDM today abd just see what happens

[thorn forge]

GNB seems really weak, is everyone finding this?

[somber breach]

Doing 600-1m+ dmg on MCH is great but I can't carry.

[somber breach]

Yes

[thorn forge]

sadge , thank you

[versed lily]

@somber breach got diamond 5 today as rdm, in white form press resolution to silence 3 sec, dash in do 3 melee combo, dash out for 4th finisher button

repeat that and u will climb to gold

oh and when u dash in press frazzle in black mage form

as ur doing melee to reduce healing

[somber breach]

I just need a decent team to hold their own for a win. idk if anyone is left in silver for that.

[subtle hornet]

I was offline for a whole week after 6.1 dropped

It's going to be hell climbing out of bronze 😂

[versed lily]

just play whm XD

or rdm/dragoon

[boreal prawn]

man

when you make a complete ass of yourself in CC

i think im retiring paladin 💀

[somber breach]

Going RDM doesn't help when you fucking braindead idiots like this.

93k by the end of the match as a SAM.

[boreal prawn]

well

at least i know ill never be that bad

[somber breach]

Hit silver 2 again. About to be bottom silver 3 again.

FUCK DUMBASS PLAYERS. Stick to casual if you suck.

Wish I had chat to call them out for being dumb af

[olive meadow]

can targetting be reverted to closest target...this is a headache as melee

i dont want my targeting to be by pvp list

lmao same voison

[somber breach]

Just watched a NIN jump into a group of 4

and die like in a second. Gotta love bronze.

[rancid jackal]

Exact reason there is no chat ^

[somber breach]

I'm aware

But people won't learn if they don't know

"Hey dummy, GNB is awful in PvP"

Yet they'll still play GNB

since we can't tell them

[olive meadow]

You are playing the wrong game if you want competitive regulated pvp

[somber breach]

uh

[olive meadow]

This CC matching is just a dice roll, that can be compounded with teammates who do not know how to play yet queue ranked

[somber breach]

Yes

[olive meadow]

Its the same thing I get out of league ranked. Teammates with tunnel vision, cant control excitement and let everyone else down

bUt Im HaViN fUn OvEr HeRe dOiNg NoThInG

^cool dont play ranked

[vocal hound]

Make it 3v3

[somber breach]

I just don't get how people are ABSOLUTY trash are hitting gold and I can't even hit Silver 1 when topping damage / kills.

[boreal prawn]

winning enough matches for the mount then realizing you didnt have the title equipped the entire time :))) :D

[somber breach]

Like idk what else to do to carry these fuckwads.

[boreal prawn]

😭 this is my worst dragoon game yet

making myself look like a fucking clown

everyone wants my sweet ass

[vocal hound]

Going thru the same

[boreal prawn]

i feel like a fucking

wet noodle

[vocal hound]

Aa a drg i usually start engaging a few sec later

So they tunnel vision someone else

Then i go in

[boreal prawn]

yeah as drg i feel i die too fast but as paladin i feel like im not doing enough

thanks for the advice!

[vocal hound]

Dont forget yoyr dmg buff is also agaisnt you

[somber breach]

And Silver 3.

[vocal hound]

Got rolled by a team where 2 people had same last same and server

[somber breach]

Really just want to whisper one of these fucking idiots so I can get banned at this point

So I can stop wasting my time

and bottom of silver.

[boreal prawn]

what are they doing wrong if you dont mind me asking

[vocal hound]

Who?

Oh

[somber breach]

I'm marking people who to fucking burst after hitting with drill or LB

and they ignore it

[boreal prawn]

ooohhh

[pallid flume]

I really hate the SAM LB

[vocal hound]

Sam LB is my most hated

[somber breach]

Put me out of my misery at this fucking point.

0/3

0/3

0/2

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-wine-gif-18545653

[vocal hound]

What is the other team like

[somber breach]

War, SAM, SMN

DRG

[vocal hound]

Ouch

[somber breach]

I keep seeing people play NIN like it's a DRG or WAR

[vocal hound]

[somber breach]

Jumping into 4-5 people solo

[boreal prawn]

these people have a vendetta 'gainst me im just a lil drg

okay maybe i do a lot of damage but i wanna live life too

[vocal hound]

Best tip dont engage first

Its handing them a cookie

[boreal prawn]

im tryin

[lucid nest]

I want to bash the keyboard over the head of every single ranged DPS player

[boreal prawn]

it's just outta habit

[lucid nest]

Especially ones who chase and run away from the crystal

[boreal prawn]

im like 'hmm yes, last time it worked well, it should go good this time too' <--- clueless

i gotta hardwire my brain to not be a complete dumbass

it's by a miracle and the grace of the twelve that I am in gold

[vocal hound]

Im hardstuck silver

[boreal prawn]

im hardstuck gold currently

I'm trynna get better

but is hard

[vocal hound]

I hope ill get lucky and hit gold soon

[boreal prawn]

good luck with that climb!

i dont want to blame my teammates cause ill seem like a hypocrite since im doing pretty eh too 😭

[vocal hound]

Crystalline is hope you get lucky enough to hit next rank so you cant fall off of it

Cause

If you could derank

Oh boi

"Guys i went from diamond to silver help"

[boreal prawn]

lmaoo

i cant tell you how many times ive used the sorry emote

i feel so embarrassed when i fuck up

[glossy cape]

I don't

I own up to it

[glossy cape]

wait, can you not drop from gold to silver?

[boreal prawn]

sigma grindset

[vocal hound]

P sure you cant derank

You can drop tiers tho

[glossy cape]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[lucid nest]

White Mage is just an automatic loss if you're fighting against them because they make everyone f****** immortal

[glossy cape]

yeah

cause glitched the fuck up cure 2 stacks

[boreal prawn]

i cant go even a mile within the crystal without this monk punching a hole through my arsehole

[vocal hound]

Lottery until checkpoint achieved

[glossy cape]

that's good then

[lucid nest]

Oh so whm is bugged?

[glossy cape]

yea

https://fxtwitter.com/dynamictaru/status/1515074863513456642?s=21&t=8Jt9_P5xJEKtk9_6D0likw

infinte cure 2 stacks

if you cancel your 2nd cure 2 cast

[somber breach]

Talk about a carry.

[vocal hound]

I wanna have 2s ranked like in wow

[boreal prawn]

2 more wins away from my gold horse mount and i can take a break from pvp for a good bit

[somber breach]

bomb ass SMN

[crude heron]

Apparently there is a bug that gives them infinite heals or something

[glossy cape]

at the very least

they're the only healer who can properly heal

[boreal prawn]

whip lash seeing the healing gods in old pvp to the 'i heal once like every 20 seconds' healers

you can actually feasibly beat a healer in a 1v1 now

[glossy cape]

yeah

and they can fucking beat you too lmao

[somber breach]

wut

[glossy cape]

and SCH is fucking NASTY in frontline

[somber breach]

wtf

[glossy cape]

literally god team

gg

[somber breach]

Welp we're fucked

[glossy cape]

warrior ez 1v5, drk nasty point control, whm for invuln, sage for debuffs

machinist for literally "fuck you" ranges

[glossy cape]

have you seen SCH in frontline?

!pvpaction deployment tactics

[surreal token]

**Deployment Tactics** : SCH (15.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Extends Galvanize and Catalyze effects cast on self or target to nearby party members.
When targeting an enemy, extends Biolysis and Biolytic effects to other nearby enemies.
Duration: Time remaining on original effect
No effect when target is not under effects applied by you.
Maximum Charges: 2

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[glossy cape]

they get fucking Bane

10% less damage dealt, 3k dot for 15s (4.5k if you Expedience before it),

just for the dot

you also get fucking Mummification

!pvpaction mummification

[surreal token]

**Mummification** : SCH (20.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 6,000 to all enemies in a cone before you.
Additional Effect: Reduces target's HP recovered by healing actions by 25%
Duration: 10s

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[glossy cape]

it's so nasty in frontline

[boreal prawn]

i would like to retract and amend my statement

wow

[somber breach]

fuck it

going causal to just farm achievements, these fuckwads are tilting me too much.

PLD was 74k dmg

[crude heron]

I am locked out of pvp

[solar gull]

do LBs always go through guard

like can i guard mch lb

[glossy cape]

it says if they ignore guard

!pvpaction zantetsuken

[surreal token]

**Zantetsuken** : SAM (1 None) (10.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Swiftly charges forward, dealing damage to target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 24,000.
If target is afflicted with Kuzushi, deals damage equal to 100% of their maximum HP.
Ignores the effects of Guard when dealing damage.
The additional effect of Kuzushi cannot be applied to players riding a machina and non-player combatants.
Can only be executed when the limit gauge is full.
Cannot be executed while bound.

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[glossy cape]

!pvpaction marksman's spite

[surreal token]

**Marksman's Spite** : MCH (1 None) (10.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers a ranged attack with a potency of 36,000.
Can only be executed when the limit gauge is full.

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[solar gull]

so i can

[glossy cape]

yes

though

have fun spotting the MCH from 50y away doing LB

when you're getting merc'd in melee

[boreal prawn]

just seeing zantetsuken makes my blood pressure rise

[glossy cape]

why

[boreal prawn]

i hate it

[glossy cape]

you malding cause you monkey'd the samurai?

just dont' hit their chiten

lmao

it's funny seeing monkeys hit my chiten and then get rekt

[boreal prawn]

im malding because one shot no make me happy

[glossy cape]

then don't

hit our chiten

that simple

[boreal prawn]

i have no idea what that is

[glossy cape]

you

muppetino

[boreal prawn]

i just press buttons real good dude

[glossy cape]

!pvpaction hissatsu chiten

[surreal token]

**Hissatsu: Chiten** : SAM (30.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces damage taken by 50% and delivers an attack with a potency of 2,000 every time you suffer damage.
Duration: 5s
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Kuzushi
Kuzushi Effect: Increases damage you deal target by 25%
Duration: 3s

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[glossy cape]

if you hti us

you get shit on

[boreal prawn]

soo

[glossy cape]

because zantetsuken will instant ko

if you DON'T hit us

zantetsu won't instant ko

so just use your nogin'

[boreal prawn]

but

[glossy cape]

and look at our buffs

if you see chiten up

don't hit

and you'll be fine

[boreal prawn]

what if they use chiten when i use an ability

[glossy cape]

guard during it

then you got parried

and rekt

and outplayed

skill issue

[boreal prawn]

what do i do with the SAM during those 5 secs

[glossy cape]

!pvpaction guard

[surreal token]

**Guard** : Jobs of the Disciples of War or Magic (30.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces damage taken by 90% and grants immunity to Stun, Heavy, Bind, Silence, Half-asleep, Sleep, Deep Freeze, and knockback and draw-in effects.
Duration: 5s
Movement speed is reduced by 50% for the duration of this effect.
Effect ends upon reuse, using another action, or when the effect duration expires.

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[boreal prawn]

now what if that's o ncc

[vocal hound]

in a game as chaotic as 5v5 where theres alot of vfx its not as easy as hoping any of your 5 teamate dont hit a guy in hope we dont get all wiped

[boreal prawn]

on cd*

[glossy cape]

🤷‍♀️ you just vibe

[glossy cape]

you need the debuff on you to die to it

it's

very weird

[boreal prawn]

what if i dont want to vibe

[glossy cape]

it's worded as if just 1 person needs it

[vocal hound]

if it was a 1hit ko on a single target

fine

[glossy cape]

but at the same time, it would only kill 1 person

[vocal hound]

but every peopel that hit you

[glossy cape]

well it is only 1 target if only that 1 target hits them

[vocal hound]

in a game where theres a node point

[glossy cape]

Bud lmao

[vocal hound]

with aoe

[glossy cape]

you have the enemy party list up

with their debuffs

literally use your eyeballs

[boreal prawn]

i just don't think it's very interactive

[vocal hound]

[glossy cape]

what, thinking?

thinking hard

[boreal prawn]

no

when did i ever say that

in a game about fighting i am forced to not fight someone if they press a button unless i would like to get my asshole turned inside out

it's like a counter but on crack

[glossy cape]

Yeah, sometimes not attacking is better

like

[silk rune]

@boreal prawn there is a way to separate your opponent's buff bar from the HP bar and blow it up to make looking at them easier to look at

Ideally, before attacking a SAM, you want to check:

• how close to LB are they
• if Chiten is up

Battle awareness is absolutely vital in this game mode

[boreal prawn]

oh yeah i know to look for LB at least

i heard it's a crazy long charge time anyway

it just sucks to get bonked by it