They might be thinking that they might as well do ranked if they are doing to do CC at all since it's almost the exact same thing, but you get a cool ranking to go along with it
#archived-player-vs-player
somber breach
You have to win to get cool rankings 
sinful tundra
30 more wins till i get the garo mount
inner steeple
They probably think they are going to win
sinful tundra
inner steeple
A sure sign of a new player
somber breach
I forgot to put on a title... 
inner steeple
F
lucid nest
15 more wins till I get goten
45 for raigo
I dunno if I'll bother with ginga
Since everyone on Frontlines is a spiteful creature
sinful tundra
is this stuff limited time btw?
somber breach
Right
sinful tundra
theres no dates tho
somber breach
I saw that and was OKAY where is the end date?!
somber breach
It's pretty easy to get everything though
sinful tundra
yea the wolf marks are free
warm shadow
Is it normal for 1 or 2 teammates to just break off from the group, only to run into the enemy team to die immediately?
warm shadow
I want to be that whm
neat plaza
God, PvP is so good. I'm so happy Square finally managed to strike such a great balance with the new updates
Job identity is so strong too ❤️
sour mirage
Hey guys is there a way to macro the Attacking Target ping and a mark? Or does it have to be two seperate buttons?
spiral brook
theres no dates tho
GARO ran for a long time the first go around, around 3 years or so
The soonest I personally see it ending is 7.0
vast crag
How about the battle pass? I just recently signed up for a savage raiding and don't have much time to get into it yet
tropic quail
Pretty sure they said that each Season will last until the next major patch
So til 6.2
neat plaza
I think it changes each season, but the older pass stays for a good while
I also swore they stated the current season pass will remain active until the start of the third season, so two entire season's to unlock stuff
vernal quarry
how do you tell idiots to get on the fucking crystal?
neat plaza
You don't, and simply lose
vast crag
ok ty ty
delicate herald
So I'm pretty new to PvP (only played for the Garo stuff last time it came around), but with the new changes I find myself enjoying it much more.
I have trouble targeting the right enemy though, and even more trouble seeing who I actually have targeted. Any hints or tips?
deft oriole
how do you tell idiots to get on the fucking crystal?
Quick chat “push the crystal!”
And pray they read
somber breach
So I'm pretty new to PvP (only played for the Garo stuff last time it came aroun...
Console or PC?
KB+M or Controller?
delicate herald
Pc with KB+M
glossy cape
You can move the enemy list closer to the middle
I have it to the left of my character so I can see debuffs
And just click on the list
somber breach
Pc with KB+M
You can tab target or use our mouse to select enemies on the bottom right and go from there. Trying to tab target or click on people on the battlefield is a disaster.
glossy cape
If you want to adjust your PvP hud
somber breach
That too
glossy cape
Go into wolves den
Hudlaylout
Duty
neat plaza
So I'm pretty new to PvP (only played for the Garo stuff last time it came aroun...
You can dedicate a keybind to making your desired target your "focus target"
glossy cape
Nah
neat plaza
But honestly, it just takes practice getting used to the snap decisions of a pvp environment more than anything
glossy cape
Focus target is worthless in PvP for the most part
Far better to just mark the healer and click on enemy list
neat plaza
Eventually it becomes second nature
somber breach
Crystal is very fast paced
vernal quarry
is CC even faster than the old 5man used to be?
glossy cape
Yes
somber breach
Yes
glossy cape
CC matches last like 2-3 minutes lmao
vernal quarry
I never did pvp before 6.1 outside of FL so I dunno
not just match time, combat pace
glossy cape
Feast was what
6? More?
delicate herald
Hm, I'll try moving the enemy list, see if that helps.
I'm definitely still getting my bearings and even still figuring out which job matches my play style, so there's a lot of getting used to for sure
glossy cape
Yeah
delicate herald
Tried WAR, RDM and DNC so far, and DNC definitely clicked the most right now
glossy cape
Don't expect to do amazing right off the bat
delicate herald
It's a big change of the slow and predictable PvE environment 😅
glossy cape
Ye
Takes one slip up
And the samurai gets an ez penta
Cause monkeys attack me during chiten with my LB up
vast crag
that's how it works in team pvp games
glossy cape
Only 30s on crystal
vast crag
if you want to climb up, you carry people
glossy cape
Fucking pathetic
somber breach
Yes
strong veldt
if you want to climb up, you carry people
how can you carry people if you're the one getting focused hard and no peel like a banana?
glossy cape
Peel like lingerie
somber breach
But we don't have a healer and they did, we could of bursted their healer down
vast crag
have no idea, usually just waste their time as much as possible
somber breach
and wiped them with more DPS
vast crag
let them chase you, distract them away from their goal, be annoying as much as possible
vast crag
It's not uncommon that if you are keep queued into the same branch of MMR, people will actually remember your account
glossy cape
or just demolish
vast crag
and If you are known to be good in your tier by people who are in the same tier as you, it's natural to get focused hard
strong veldt
Or just play tank and "carry"
strong veldt
I had more wins with WAR than any other class
glossy cape
You have dumb utility
somber breach
PLD is stupid good in Crystal
glossy cape
Healer getting bursted?
Cover
somber breach
This pld didn't cover, why I was like stop focusing on the pld he sucks
burn the healer and we can wipe them
strong veldt
I wanted a change of pace with a DPS instead of Tank during the climb, but hard stuck on Plat until hotfix gets implemented
somber breach
fuck
strong veldt
Didn't want to get burned out
somber breach
I hate that we can't type
glossy cape
I'm still learning tactics
I got my Sam burst down
Kinda
Silver monkeys still fall for chitenguard bait
strong veldt
AllI do with War is Dash in, pull out the Ol' Yeller, then Smack
glossy cape
Succ
somber breach
gj
glossy cape
Me when 5 chiten
Yet to get more than triple tho
One day
Waiting for the juicer
It'll be beautiful
Chitenguard
Perfect LB
And then just vpose blade wipe
strong veldt
Hotfix: They add an extra 1% chance on Chainsaw Analysis
glossy cape
Kek
tight surge
Hotfix: They add an extra 1% chance on Chainsaw Analysis
TBH you can see in one of the tooltips that the chance was originally 5%. i don't want to imagine pre-release chainsaw analysis spam
fresh terrace
sweet oracle
I just die as a reaper, oof
strong veldt
I just want cc chain reduction.
Because getting chained one behind the other does not help out
sweet oracle
I feel I'm doing something wrong with reaper, bgl
hybrid locust
they really need to fkin buff blm and nerf everyone else, its just sad
eternal spoke
they really need to fkin buff ||my job|| and nerf everyone else, its just sad 
eager bluff
I just want cc chain reduction.
I wiped out the entire enemy team as dragoon and they all perma stunned me after
very fun
war is pretty fun
remote heath
can you enter the crystalline conflict pvp que as a stack of five?
i wanne play it with a friend and we would search for a group if thats possible
restive osprey
It's all solo. Best you can do is queue at the same time and hope rng is on your side.
remote heath
thats rly unfortunate :/
thick ravine
are the trophy crystal sets just recoloured job gear sets?
versed lily
i fel like i lose early every single game then get a comback after limit breaks
anyone else feel like u get wiped early then wipe like half of them and snowball off that
sullen bane
It makes sense it's all solo tbh. Too big of an advantage for premade groups. They'd need a separate premade queue.
I could see duo queue, maybe.
versed lily
would be nice if casual let u duo q
sullen bane
yea
somber breach
are the trophy crystal sets just recoloured job gear sets?
I think they are upgraded graphics
One pvp set is upgraded AF gear I think
sullen bane
I had a lot of fun as dragoon last night in the new pvp. Curious how it's all gonna shake out. Seems like learning a new class in pvp wil be pretty easy since there's not that many moves
sullen bane
Do you just have to collect the GARO gear, equip it and get the title? Anything else with it?
versed lily
get a full set, get title, equip it then play games to get the mounts
im guna farm for all of the garo armour sets, got warrior and drg atm
whats crazy is i saw ppl with the pass pvp armour set yesterday
fathom seal
How long will the current battlepass rewards last? As in, how much time i got to collect them before the next set of rewards come in?
lunar falcon
fathom seal
ah i see, got plenty of time then
eternal spoke
regarding the garo achievement. can I get lets say SCH title equip it but play pvp as another job? will it still count if i win
weary inlet
i fel like i lose early every single game then get a comback after limit breaks
Highly depends on the jobs you have on your team. Seems like some LBs have huge impact compared to others
And yeah, you just need to have the title equipped. You can for example have the DRG title, but be playing DNC and still make progress
deft oriole
regarding the garo achievement. can I get lets say SCH title equip it but play p...
yes, all that matters is having any Garo title equipped
regardless of what job you're actually playing as
fringe tiger
fucking dogshit pvp matchmaking and balance rn lmao
chrome meadow
win mechanic for Garo mounts brings in the toxicity
same with the large gap in wolf marks for win/loses, which is compounded by CC going overtime
fringe tiger
All of the issues show that SQE have zero fuckin clue how to balance/design pvp lol
chrome meadow
well it is their first iteration
but to be honest out of all the healers the WHM favoritism is showing >_>
fringe tiger
You don't need a first iteration to realize that 1-shots in PvP or classes with constant aoe are stupid (when some classes basically have inconsistent aoe)
Warrior charging in with aoe stun, doing half my health in damage and then I die because of burst from everything else is fucking donkey shit
chrome meadow
well that sounds like you were against a competent team
chrome meadow
if you're gonna get focused by everyone on the other team then of course you die
fringe tiger
and it basically comes down to who has the meta
fringe tiger
who has the war for aoe stun/charge half-health damage
who has the melee to follow up with insane damage
weary inlet
WARs that refuse to engage
fringe tiger
who has the whm to just heal over and over and not die
weary inlet
acting as if they are PLDs that need to provide peel
chrome meadow
then you have to blame your nonexistant WAR for not pulling their WHM
i'll be less salty if they brought win/loss rewards near par
weary inlet
It's a shame that when it really comes down to it, phys ranged is kinda useless
It's like the normal game
chrome meadow
i wouldnt say that.. doesnt MCH have some huge burst potential
chrome meadow
dont forget to account for range
fringe tiger
I'm fucking livid over this stupid-ass redesign they did to rdm.
Every 20 seconds, I have to choose between "survival" and "damage". Then to top it off, both of those are dogshit amounts of absorb or extra damage.
I have a 20sec single CC, so if someone just purifies on my CC then I got nothing to keep me away from melee because they all have 2 gap closers
I have no fucking clue what they made RDM into
RDM seems to be a 1v1 duelest
weary inlet
Yeah the ranged that is closed by the multigapclosers on less than 15 sec CDs
chrome meadow
i want to point to SCH
chrome meadow
SCH got scuffed hard
fringe tiger
but 5v5 is literally throwing as rdm
you can't do enough burst to help with anything
weary inlet
SCH can provide some insane damage just like SGE
fringe tiger
and outside of your melee combo
chrome meadow
..insane?
fringe tiger
you just sit there
chrome meadow
the slow ass aoe tick damage is a tickle in respects to everyone having pots
weary inlet
Yes, it isn't exactly the same hard burst damage, but it does a ton of damage if you are playing agressively
fringe tiger
the slow ass aoe tick damage is a tickle in respects to everyone having pots
Aoe tick > single-target tick
chrome meadow
but also it doesnt help SCH's LB takes a gods forsaken time to deploy after casting
fringe tiger
Does it do impactful damage/healing/utility?
cause RDM is fucking useless-ass lb lmao
You need people to combo with you hard
chrome meadow
points to AST for the same useless lb 😦
fringe tiger
Sad thing is, devs aren't going to do SHIT for balance until months later
chrome meadow
to me it seems like giving everyone the same heal skill was a mistake, phy meeles are too tanky with the big chunk of self sustain
fringe tiger
phy melee too tanky for how much damage they deal and all the utility they can bring like guard removing
or unbreakable CC
weary inlet
I think you're just thinking of the roles far too rigidly
Play everything like it's a DPS
weary inlet
Since you are self reliant
fringe tiger
They do too much damage for how survival they are and how much utility they bring
chrome meadow
the thing is if you play everything like a dps, the physical meeles are far to OP
fringe tiger
^
chrome meadow
physical meeles and tanks*
weary inlet
Healers are DPS with MINOR healing. Tanks are DPS and some of them tank abilities
chrome meadow
also aside from sage and whm , the rest of the healers have horrible dps
fringe tiger
Meanwhile RDM:
Minor dps
fringe tiger
Can't judge on RDM, haven't played it
It's great for 1v1, and that's it. Literally, that's it.
Our damage is very low, very low burst
our survival is very low
it's just enough
to beat everyone 1v1
unless limit break
in which case we just die like everyone else
weary inlet
Your survival is fine since it is the same as most other survival
fringe tiger
The whole goal of RDM is to annoy the shit out of you and wear you down until you lose
chrome meadow
isnt monk/samurai/ninja also 1v1ers?
fringe tiger
Your survival is fine since it is the same as most other survival
That's not true.
Other people don't have to choose between extra damage or survival
chrome meadow
err not samurai nvm
weary inlet
If you are having that many issues with survival, it sadly is you not utilising everything you should and not respecting the other jobs enough
fringe tiger
We have to choose between the two
weary inlet
You Get to choose
fringe tiger
You *Get* to choose
and other people don't have to, while still doing more damage than us
See the problem?
weary inlet
If RDM has no survival then what does MCH have?
chrome meadow
i think the main problem is that rdm takes a while to ramp up to big damage, while most of the tanks/physical meeles dont
fringe tiger
When we choose survival, our survival isn't better than others.
If we choose damage, then our damage isn't better than others still
chrome meadow
MCH doesnt have to go to meele range ideally
eternal spoke
meanwhile plds : you guys have damage? 
weary inlet
You want to use scattergun to instagib people
Making sure that a cure 2 doesn't screw a combo
weary inlet
But see the circular argument there?
fringe tiger
but that does fuck all for 5v5
chrome meadow
eh? if what you said is true aellesa then redmage is okay
fringe tiger
eh? if what you said is true aellesa then redmage is okay
No
Because I don't have high damage, or a burst, or aoe
my utility is minimal amounts of things
that build up
I'm heavily reliant on other people
to also use utility
so that it all builds up
and we do more of (x)
weary inlet
I mean, if you dont want to be reliant on anyone dont play team games?
fringe tiger
No one of my abilities are enough alone to be a game changer for a team fight
eternal spoke
play a more selfish class then
chrome meadow
25y Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 8,000 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
White Shift Effect: Silence
Duration: 3s
Black Shift Effect: Bind
Duration: 3s
This action does not share a recast timer with any other actions.
fringe tiger
I mean, if you dont want to be reliant on anyone dont play team games?
My problem is that we have lots of classes that can handle themselves alone
chrome meadow
redmage has silence
weary inlet
And that's fine? Some classes will be more comp and team heavy
fringe tiger
25y Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 8,000 to all enemies in a strai...
That straight line is very thing, you can't manually aim it.
Only does 8'000 damage.
You can purify silence
chrome meadow
sure but after your tank use some sort of stun ppl are gonna purify that as well
fringe tiger
Only every 10 seconds
weary inlet
Yes and BRD also deals less damage?
fringe tiger
Funny because
weary inlet
I really dont see the issue TBH
fringe tiger
Up at diamond/high plat
I see more bard/mch
than I see of rdm
rdm and blm are super rare
weary inlet
It almost might be that those jobs have an easier time executing what is needed of them 
fringe tiger
It's almost like other classes have better impact with their team so it's pointless to play them
RDM is a low-impact class for teamplay
Nothing about execution
chrome meadow
well.. looking at rdm kit all i can say is they're a support unit that could 1v1 but otherwise focus on support playstyle in group play
fringe tiger
well.. looking at rdm kit all i can say is they're a support unit that could 1v1...
Dude, what do I support and with what lmao
weary inlet
Well if that's truly the case there is an easy solution. Equip a different weapon
fringe tiger
I can throw out a barrier every 30sec that does very little.
I can throw out a SINGLE 8000 pot heal at the end of my RISKY melee combo every 20 seconds
and i can silence a line of people every 20 seconds
chrome meadow
at this rate Aellesa you should check out the ffxiv pvp discord
fringe tiger
for 3 seconds
weary inlet
How long does that silence last, is it 3sec?
chrome meadow
the Revival one, there are class specific discussions and debates you can have there
yes
weary inlet
If so that's pretty damn big
fringe tiger
3sec, sometimes it feels like 2sec
chrome meadow
it is.
fringe tiger
If so that's pretty damn big
Yeah, after everyone's used their purify
chrome meadow
3secs of denying people to heal spam
chrome meadow
like you arent the only person spaming CC
fringe tiger
Purify removes CC and makes you immune to CC for 5 seconds.
That 5 seconds is enough for someone to get bursted
chrome meadow
if you got two aoe CC spammers someone on their team should die with burst or somethin
weary inlet
teams don't get bodied
But that is quite literally EVERY job though. You can't control your team. It just is what it is
It sounds more like team frustration to me
fringe tiger
But that is quite literally *EVERY* job though. You can't control your team. It ...
But other jobs can perform well without being extremely limited
I can't
RDM is a 1v1 duelist
weary inlet
a 5 man silence doesnt sound like a duel to me
fringe tiger
5man
eternal spoke
just play a different job then? if rdm doesnt suits your playstyle
weary inlet
It seems extremely high value if the stars align
eternal spoke
weary inlet
Just like Pneuma
fringe tiger
It seems extremely high value if the stars align
Of course anything can be high value if the stars align dude, but that's not how people should view shit lol
That's like people playing striclty mCH because they want that 5% insta kill lmao
"When the stars align! MCH is so op!"
weary inlet
Yes and that IS actually true
fringe tiger
Albeit, it is fucking broken
but yeah-no
At most I get 2-3 man silences
maybe twice a game
people don't line up like you think they do
the line needs to be expanded
if it was a cone it'd be great
but some wimpy thin line like wtf man
Eat your wheaties
weary inlet
I highly doubt that would be fun to deal with either 
Id like that idea if the cone comes from melee range
fringe tiger
"Oh no, 3 of us got silenced for 3 seconds, run away"
Oh, barely anything happened at that point
I think resolution line ends at your target
I don't think it goes past it
from what I've seen
chrome meadow
well if your team isnt killing them with the silence then .. >_>
also thats 3 seconds of them NOT spaming the 2500mp heal or barrier
weary inlet
Then again, we aren't even a week in to begin with
eternal spoke
Ael point being he wants rdm to be like sam where he can go in and do shit alone
which at that point why not just play sam
fringe tiger
well if your team isnt killing them with the silence then .. >_>
but that's the problem here.
Other classes can be more impactful with less team coordination.
THAT is my gripe is that my class can't impact aloen or with more coordination
weary inlet
It do be what it do be like
fringe tiger
Ael point being he wants rdm to be like sam where he can go in and do shit alone
Okay, and is it wrong that I want to be self-efficient?
weary inlet
Yes
fringe tiger
No
Because we already have a lot of classes that can be self-efficient in pvp
Man if a melee gets on me I have to literally dedicate all my utility against him otherwise I just die
chrome meadow
well for any class aside from tank if you jump into a group you will expect to be walloped
fringe tiger
Yeah and that's the problem with RDM
it's a "jump into group of people" class
that has caster health
and little survivability lol
chrome meadow
no its a jump to burst the one that probably has under 50hp class
fringe tiger
boop
We don't do that much damage
It'd need to be under 25, at best
dark-stance is trickle damage
We get a nice aoe 12000 burst at 20sec I guess?
chrome meadow
like sage for instance is a pretty good dps and they have to be frisky and dive in for their damage
i like to think rdm can do it even better than sage
fringe tiger
i like to think rdm can do it even better than sage
If I give up survival then sure? But does sage need to give up survival?
chrome meadow
yes? what did i just say about frisky diving
fringe tiger
So do we
That's not what I'm saying
I either can get shields every 20 sec, or do dot damage every 20 seconds
chrome meadow
also as a rdm you can somewhat do both cuase you got 2500mp heal.. barrier and a backflip
fringe tiger
No
chrome meadow
how you think all the other meeles/tank self sustain themselves
fringe tiger
Because melee combo does little with barrier
chrome meadow
yes they do huge ass burst aoe damage (which is why ideally you spread)
but im looking at the rdm kit and it seems to me they cater to a very specific playstyle then what you want and they could do it well
are meele classes busted ? yes. but is rdm crappy? i dont think so
fringe tiger
Yes they cater to long fights and minor damage
Rdm is crappy in current burst meta
That's literally fact lol
If game wasn't burst then rdm would be okay
Because that's where it would shine
chrome meadow
my main problem is that meele are both bursty and tanky
well tanky cause we got barrier and 2500mp heals
fringe tiger
And I'm neither while having to dive just like melee
1v1 I beat melee through war of attrition
Like really long
War of attrition
chrome meadow
and sadly like any moba game assassin-like playstyle which appears to be what rdm is are always countered by teamwork 😦
eternal spoke
tbh rdm feels more like poke then dive in when some rando is at like 25% or something
chrome meadow
that's what i do as an AST Y_Y
dmg so bad i have to resort to saving my aoe so i can doublecast it
at the right kill time
weary inlet
But hey, if you are having this issue with it, wait for a balance patch. That's what MCH players have been doing since Stormblood 
chrome meadow
or if there is a group of meeles i will try to heavy, wait 5 seconds and bind
dry bloom
which one is faster for series xp frontlines or cc
chrome meadow
cc
fringe tiger
But hey, if you are having this issue with it, wait for a balance patch. That's ...
lmaooo
eternal spoke
But hey, if you are having this issue with it, wait for a balance patch. That's ...
inb4 + 200 potecny on rdm lb
weary inlet
+200?! Thats fucking generous
fringe tiger
inb4 + 200 potecny on rdm lb <:GOTTEM:768932376259592223>
lmao only 200pot
weary inlet
take a +10
chrome meadow
i dont think pvp balancing is going to take that long btw
fringe tiger
Press 'x' to doubt
chrome meadow
since they are adding too many features to incentive pvp
eternal spoke
i dont know mang they probably got their ass busy with how forum blowing up cuz kaiten
fringe tiger
have fun
weary inlet
Didn't PvP get a seperate team to make this mode and rework happen?
I dunno if you want a big PP damage caster, just go SMN
Problem solved
chrome meadow
once again i reccomend checking the PVP discord for ffxiv, RDM is very well received there looking at the comments
weary inlet
It seems to fall in the same boat as DNC. Pretty damn good but would excel a TON with coordination
NIN players that dont dive
Man
DRK Just doesn't fucking die
fringe tiger
once again i reccomend checking the PVP discord for ffxiv, RDM is very well rece...
Probably a bunch of people in silver/bronze/gold?
I did fucking incredibly on day one with the amount of damage I did because I never got focused so I could just black stance the entire time.
It got harder to do that at plat and when I was in diamond matches it was impossible.
If RDM was so well-received
I'd see a LOT more rdm at the rank I am at now
but there are very few
weary inlet
At the end of the day we could all be wrong That would be pretty funny
weary inlet
Stand on point = win
cedar terrace
weary inlet
Well frontlines will still be dogshit because the me no use LB problem is even worse there
Despite them being up more often
wary nymph
cat boy with afro 👍
strong veldt
Does anyone know whats the macro line for Marked targets?
ivory elk
I really like mnk in pvp
pulsar laurel
ive heard some people complain about mnk due to there being no real indicator for certain skill timings
their finishers I believe
neat plaza
what rank do you unlock the more detailed job portrait backgrounds?
dull phoenix
5 man samurai instakills feel so good 😮
weary inlet
Frontlines still being RNG with what team decides to go full pepega on another, giving the 3rd team a free win
next cradle
so addendum, I was playing GNB poorly yesterday
however I still stand by the fact that they got Damage when other tanks got crowd control
All the damage in the world won't stop a WHM from saving themselves and their team
limpid bluff
PLD's Intervene stun it's not working, they must fix that 
limpid bluff
It's on the tooltip that have 2 secs stun
ivory elk
what rank do you unlock the more detailed job portrait backgrounds?
You can buy them from one of the vendors with trophies
limpid bluff
Does Frontline gives Series points?. I didn't tried it since 6.1
next cradle
How many poses does a "[Class] Framer's Kit" get you?
My gut is telling me "you get the one bucko" but I'm holding out hope
next cradle
rip
ivory elk
you get the one bucko
ivory elk
Idk if this has already been sent here but https://twitter.com/RhiaRys/status/1514147742100037635?s=21&t=GMRKDXKXeU9Kn6UmmR7v3w
Twitter
next cradle
<:ResidentSleeper:865272789295431710> Cant cleanse the polymorph
honestly my biggest gripe with WHM is that
next cradle
It's so stupid because not only does it gib, it animation locks
If the team can't focus the NIN, they're going to swing the game
ivory elk
Sounds like the best jobs for pvp are like
next cradle
Managed to fake out a WHM stun by jumping them as they rounded a corner, found out I was the target of the stun apparently so my team just bursted them
those little moments
but on teamcomps, I'd say WAR probably weighs in better than DRK
Unless I'm mistaken, the WAR AoE stun is a 25s cooldown that just
Works
wooden grove
Idk if this has already been sent here but https://twitter.com/RhiaRys/status/15...
YES! It's a great compilation of good guides! ✨
weary inlet
sharp flame
CC is way too addicting
vocal osprey
very
jagged finch
Anyone got any general CC advice? As addicting as it is, I’m a little demoralized after going from one win away from silver to 12 loses in a row T.T
jagged finch
I was doing red mage, but was having very little impact.
Switched to scholar and essentially run support/debuff, and i tend to be quite good at staying alive assuming I’m not swarmed
vocal osprey
even though you're a healer you have to focus on doing damage too
every little helps
try seeing what your teamates are targeting
and attacking that person aswell
or perhaps call it out using chat commands to make it more clear
jagged finch
That last one might work
vocal osprey
un organised teams really do tend to mess up more often
ivory elk
I wish we could go in with a premade team
vocal osprey
most of us do
ivory elk
Vcing with a team would make things so much better
vocal osprey
That last one might work
don't forget
if the team has a healer too
target it
using any debuff you have
the little they do
the better
ivory elk
I usually prioritize anyone with any kind of cc
vocal osprey
don't go out of your way to kill them though
vocal osprey
that can be good
but remember that the objective here is to push the crystal after all
not to kill
ivory elk
Yeah I mean when they’re on the point
vocal osprey
then it’s a good idea
try looking at the party list to see whenever a mch or a sam is ready to lb
and counter it before it happens
jagged finch
Im getting better, so any advice is great! Those little tidbits about who to target are good too.
ivory elk
Honestly once I finish 6.1 msq and do the ar all I’m gonna be doing is pvp
jagged finch
Though I can’t deny sometimes the team you get (as teammates or opponent) can make a big difference too, haha. One match I lost we had 18 kills to 2, but their dark knight single handed my managed to push the crystal with knock backs it was kind of ridiculous
ivory elk
Although I should really do panda tier 1 before it’s completely dead
jagged finch
And just refused to die!
vocal osprey
you can’t take anyone on as a healer and expect to win
best you can do is distract them
vocal osprey
you can’t take anyone on as a healer and expect to win
not alone anyway
lucid nest
I forgot which plot I bet it on how can I check or do I just have to check each one
vocal osprey
1.wrong chat
2.u gotta check them yourself
stark grove
housing is PvP, what do you mean
dry bloom
is it just me or my game sound randomly gets cuts off alot in cc
vocal osprey
must be something wrong with your audio
vocal osprey
common thing
lucid nest
The fact that one Healer can win the game is stupid
vocal osprey
what makes you say that
lucid nest
The fact that an astrolgoian or a whm can tank 4 limit breaks back to back is stupid
sinful tundra
can u guard the mch or nin lb3
vocal osprey
yes you can
vocal osprey
The fact that an astrolgoian or a whm can tank 4 limit breaks back to back is st...
any class can
vocal osprey
guard nullifies those effects
vocal osprey
yknow any class can do that too
plus they only have 2 charges
which requre casting
so they're very vulnerable
at best they have a 10% dmg reduction like whm has
lucid nest
I'm also just having TF2 ptsd when people not understanding what a payload is
vocal osprey
yep
happens more often than you think
don't fall for bait
stay near the crystal
fading timber
People struggle with capping points on frontlines so not really a surprise
lucid nest
Literally almost just lost because the rest of the team be liner for the enemy when we were two feet in front of the end goal
lavish swallow
Does the matchmaking put me with 2 headless monkeys and two unranked players just to fuck over my promotion to gold?
lucid nest
I hope every single person who doesn't understand payload gets their head caved in by Mike Tyson
I'm tired of being the only person be on the objective ninety-nine times out of a hundred
As a f****** ninja of all things
vocal hound
When someone is low and alone trying to flee, you guys chase or crystal?
lucid nest
Crystal, it's usually bait
vocal hound
Does it go faster with more people on the crystal?
pine mesa
Nah
vocal hound
ah kk so one can stay behind
lucid nest
Apparently Warriors can just keep scorpion get over here anytime they wish 24/7 365
dry bloom
its like a neuron activation whenever someone runs away
timber iron
new to pvp, is it possible to move this party frame on the top left corner? tried going to hud and moving party/alliance frame, none is moving it
dry bloom
should be in hud lay out then go to duty
timber iron
should be in hud lay out then go to duty
ahh yes
tropic quail
Has anyone else encountered a bug with bard in cc where after you die you can't run?
fringe tiger
Yooo I got commended:
modest oak
Whats up with the players on today?
Feels like my team can never kill anyone
Yet i get focused by all the tanks and get one shot and we are still losing the crystal
Like why am I losing stars for other players doing worse then me?
fathom shard
Lol think I’ve hit my wall, I’ve been afking if there’s a opening party wipe to speed up getting the next match
modest oak
Sometimes it's winnable just by yourself I wouldn't advise afking that fast
It's just harder when you can't really catch anyone out tbh
tropic quail
Yeah there's definitely some kinda bug with bard
Tested it with training dummies in the pier, used powerful shot, even after it's done casting can only walk
Switched jobs, persisted to that
ivory elk
Pvp whm is mad fun
wanton ether
Man having multiple whms in frontline in broken
void dawn
I know healers cant spam heals but I think it still needs to be tuned down lol im a drg on a whm for 30 sec and they arent dying
sinful tundra
u cant do it with custom groups
sullen mist
not even casual?
sinful tundra
dont think so
u can play against others in premade matches though
i think, at least
but it wont give rewards or ranking
spiral brook
Secure is frontlines
sullen mist
lol
spiral brook
They’re banning premade groups from CC for now to prevent premades from steamrolling players
sudden crest
man ranked sucks right now, its fucking awful
sullen mist
no way for us to mess around with a 4stack and learn the ropes together?
ah we set up a pf
that works
spiral brook
Only custom games
sudden crest
I want to get out of bronze so I can stop getting the worst players possible
wooden dagger
How exactly does Overtime work?
wooden dagger
I want to get out of bronze so I can stop getting the worst players possible
Same I win one match and lose the next
So I'm stuck forever
sudden crest
if the enemy team is winning and you're on crystal (defending or pushing it) when time runs out you get overtime
however if your team is absent from the crystal for 1s the match ends
sudden crest
i am in silver 3 now and somehow i was put into a bronze/new player match
is the match making working????????/
fringe tiger
Pain:
dawn ridge
Ok, so playing WHM in PvP is somehow more stressful than raid content. Is healing in general like that?
sudden crest
not really?
healing has never been stressful for me
healing in pvp is wayy more reactionary then raids which require planning and preparation
hollow frost
does anyone has a screenshot of kuzushi debuff? i want to see what it looks like
warm shadow
pvp title is cursed. Put it on and haven't won in the last hr
hollow frost
which job has a pull effect?
sudden crest
war
hollow frost
only war?
eternal spoke
DRK too iirc
hollow frost
do you guys know the range on that thing?
eternal spoke
war 15y single target, drk 10y circle aoe
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/pvp/
listed here btw
hollow frost
i see, thx for the info
lapis mauve
is the match making working????????/
Gets way better , after gold you only see gold/platinums
better matches
Which ability disables block?
sudden crest
war lb
lapis mauve
Hate it
lapis mauve
Warriors are so good
I swear when warriors chains one i just focus and 90% of the time it's an instant kill
Also stun is insane
and LB is so good
hate playing against them tho
somber breach
DRG are insane
lapis mauve
DRG are insane
Yeah they seem super safe too
That back jump is basically a free potion
sinful tundra
dude this is crazy i cant
lapis mauve
dude this is crazy i cant
Hell yeah
Been having some good games but i swear im getting astrologians that make it feel like im 4v5
sinful tundra
yeah
lapis mauve
OMFG same astro 3 times in a row
lapis mauve
im pausing after this i never wanna queue with this dickhead again
somber breach
Drg gang <a:RatVibe:896544792719274106>
mch still better though 
vocal hound
Yeah saw it earlier
wooden dagger
I’m so addicted to PvP that I forgot to continue my MSQ
sullen mist
welp landed my first 5 man war LB
vocal hound
How does one fight a mch
sullen mist
guess i'm hooked now
somber breach
wooo finally
wooden dagger
How does one fight a mch
MCH has no disengagement tool
somber breach
vocal hound
Im more wondering about their cds
somber breach
Fight a MCH? As a drg just jump on them
and poke them till dead
Melee kill them so quick
vocal hound
Sounds good
Drg has great burst
I can usually get a healer out of fight p quickly
Not kill cause guard and whatnot
But it gets them to try and fish for a potion
lapis mauve
Fight a MCH? As a drg just jump on them
Same applies to RDM
Easiest 1 shot as MNK imo
vocal hound
White mage diff
fringe tiger
plucky burrow
Usually I hate melee dps jobs... they're always the last job I level, if I even level them.
But man does drg is so fun in pvp. Love it
lapis mauve
I carried so hard with my LB at the end
Jesus enemy team wiped me in the quickest fashion ive ever seen
vocal hound
Drg lb is so good in overtime
lapis mauve
WHM ult stuns and DRG Lands
Shit was insane
other AOE's finished us really but those two wrecked us
We still won tho XD
glossy cape
You need to get 4 stars, effectively
At which point you'll rank up
Bronze has 3 tiers
Silver has 3
Gold has 4
The I think plat has 2? Not sure
fading timber
yeesh why do i keep getting people who cant lb
glossy cape
Wait till you get a person blaming the healer when the healers really can't make you stay alive for much longer outside of WHM
lapis mauve
AAAAYYY You know your boy has got this free pwnage
Jesus i've been wrecking healers and RDM's alike
lapis mauve
I got 2 stars now
Also winning 3 in a row awards extra stars
fading timber
yeah i keep getting multiple people who cant lb
frank marlin
Also winning 3 in a row awards extra stars
oohh!!
im still not yet bronze (i think??) but i tried some casual matches and the new pvp is way more fun
warm shadow
does ranked give more xp?
lapis mauve
does ranked give more xp?
No
eternal spoke
the only way to get wolf collar is by trading trophy crystal?
lapis mauve
im still not yet bronze (i think??) but i tried some casual matches and the new ...
It's very fun and hectic
warm shadow
Just had a dps that did 12k dmg...
lapis mauve
I feel NIN and DRG are top melees at the moment
Same but add SAM
DRG is probably safest class IMO
lapis mauve
I hate how it's so friggin hard to stun him without him popping either 2 stuns or just tanking with barrier/shields
lapis mauve
For me RDM is feast or famine
Perma focus for me
Muscle memory to use 1 shot combo on them 4 me
They wreck house unattended
broken marten
I noticed their stickiness can really wreak havoc on the backlines
warm sedge
is the trophy crystal shop gear just af gear
fading timber
somehow
broken marten
*somehow*
oof Ive been in that situation before, we were just way too kill-hungry and didnt push the crystal
fading timber
- I was on the winning team with only 2 kills and 18 deaths
broken marten
* I was on the winning team with only 2 kills and 18 deaths
yeee
we were cleaning house, but really suck at crystal pushing
I was like: Eh the others can push, Ima kill their WHM
well everyone else thought the same lol
cue the 3 Spidey pointing meme
lapis mauve
Jesus platinums play shittier than gold
Some players are MOBS i swear they target tank when the machinist is wrecking them from afar
fading timber
that took for fucking ever
lapis mauve
that took for fucking ever
Grats
amber escarp
Any tips for CC as WHM before I start the painful grind?
frank marlin
ughhh nobody pushes the crystal 
lapis mauve
Any tips for CC as WHM before I start the painful grind?
Don't hold LB? WHM seem to LB like each minute
fading timber
Well yeah but try to use it at the best moment
Re: clumped enemy in a line, most of your team present to pick up the trash
So anyway a win streak only gives you 2 stars unfortunately. Doesn’t go any higher
lapis mauve
Holy crap Platinum is Apetinum
small snow
On a CC losing streak of about 10 in a row; are there any guides out yet as to how to not be terrible?
lucid nest
I have resigned myself to believe if I have nothing but range DPS on my team we're going to lose because they're going to be stupid
eternal spoke
if you have 5 ranged dps you should lose tbh
vapid anchor
how do i use my skills in pvp? i just entered wolves den and i cant use them due to my "current class"
spiral brook
Go to the PVP profile menu and get your actions from there
amber escarp
Make sure you have a job stone equipped
lucid nest
if you have 5 ranged dps you should lose tbh <:pepela:886996286736334849>
I've also seen 2 tanks 2 healers 1 melee dps
Nothing but stuns
muted falcon
Lol, just went out of a crystalline match that lasted 14 minutes. Both sides were at 50% and mine somehow won.
ruby osprey
vapid anchor
thank you wynne
somber breach
Jesus platinums play shittier than gold
Don't say that... I'm struggling with Silver players and gold players
I have discovered my love for DRG in PvP
dim mountain
Never tried pvp here before, normally play PLD. Is there any viability in the job for pvp or would it be suggested to go with something else?
plucky burrow
PLD is a stun and soft heal machine. Its LB is very strong to protect your team against burst, same as its Cover for a teammate
It's a very supportive job
tulip oracle
do I get wolf marks from cristaline conflict?
tulip oracle
what’s the easyest job for pvp ?
low rover
Whatever you wnjoy the most
Go to wolfs den test out the classes going with meta is kinda useless because carring a team is near impossible
sterile ibex
Go to wolfs den test out the classes going with meta is kinda useless because ca...
also sam:
low rover
Sam is strong yes but its very easy to kill them if the player doesnt know what they do (same with all classes)
Heck best classes team wise are dancers imho their lb can net you serious kills both in CC and Frontline
tawdry flame
Why does the instant profile spontaneously work/not work at random? Is it bugged?
Like some games it'll have it, others it won't even if I change nothing
brisk mirage
how long does series 1 last for
sweet oracle
pvp rank are hell all around
lean shell
Alright guys what's yall biggest loss streak so far? xD
Honestly I can't win haha 😭 😂
amber escarp
Sigh, the tab target being shit is so damn visible in pvp
versed lily
ye thats my biggest gripe with frontlines
targeting is awful
if they could somehow make their targeting more snappy and maybe only rotate through the closest 3 enemies with tab it would be so much more popular
amber escarp
Also with all the vfx it's easy to confuse targets
versed lily
id also like better options for nameplates
id like to just have little green icons for allies with their class icon, no names getting in the way of clicks
toxic orchid
between all the tanks whats seems the best for damage and sustain
ember ember
between all the tanks whats seems the best for damage and sustain
Warrior imo
amber escarp
How PVP feels as a melee when your team doesn’t do anything
Like bro tf why were you all alive and not near the objective
versed lily
frontlines.jpg
granite orbit
anyone know how good scholar is in pvp?
sinful tundra
sinful tundra
anyone know how good scholar is in pvp?
not great
granite orbit
viable?
sharp lagoon
I do not know how to tab target people in pvp 
sinful tundra
viable?
all jobs are viable, but whm and sage are just way better than sch rn
whm lb is so annoying tbh
patent gazelle
Ohfuck
dry bloom
and i hear gnb is the worst
gnb is really flexible tbh
can somewhat sustain but not better than warrior does a fuckload of dmg and can somewhat be a healer
vast crag
I do not know how to tab target people in pvp <:empty:927430621788241983>
if you are on kbm, you might have to click things
frosty palm
So you can't join Crystalline Conflict with a party of 5?
amber escarp
Well, kinda fun bug
weary inlet
So... WHM is just bugged?
I tried it out in PvP just now. I cast a first cure 2, had to move while casting my 2nd cure to, and that gave me both charges back instantly? 
It's 100% repeatable out on the pier too, I think some WHMs might have been abusing it a tad
sharp lagoon
if you are on kbm, you might have to click things
well yes… but is there a way i can automatically target based on how close they are to me?
weary inlet
Yeah, it's consistent; You can instantly recharge your cure 2 charges by interrupting your current cure 2 cast
vast crag
well yes… but is there a way i can automatically target based on how close they ...
afaik it's cone targeting
lapis mauve
Don't say that... I'm struggling with Silver players and gold players
XD I was mad tilted yesterday ngl
somber breach
I just meant out of silver
vast crag
yeh, once you see you are tilted, just take a break lol
or you'll continue losing your streka
lapis mauve
or you'll continue losing your streka
Yeah got Plat in like 1 hour and a half and then my mental dropped and i was in plat 3 for like 3 hours omfg
vast crag
if you reached that high, the enemy is adjusted too
you'll face other plat instead of bronze lol
lapis mauve
if you reached that high, the enemy is adjusted too
Yeah matches seem to be pretty even haha
vast crag
so must change playstyle as well
amber escarp
lost 10 matches in a row and seriously startingto hate pvp in the game. worst pvp i have played and i have played a lot of games with bad pvp lol
vast crag
then it's working 😹
lapis mauve
then it's working 😹
It'll work for me soon i swear
I'm taking a spiritual break i'll be back for the diamond championship belt
amber escarp
best pvp update in ffxiv ever
toxic orchid
So you can't join Crystalline Conflict with a party of 5?
queue snipe each other. it works for me and my bois
lapis mauve
queue snipe each other. it works for me and my bois
Tried this in casuals to play with my cousin and i got him in enemy team and wrecked him XD
vocal hound
lost 10 matches in a row and seriously startingto hate pvp in the game. worst pv...
yeah dont feel like i have that much agency in 5v5 even
sinful tundra
just sam lb and get 5 kills
glossy cape
ok but you won't get 5 kills like that
sinful tundra
i love the wind knock thing because the second the healer drops i rush them and lb 😈
glossy cape
need chiten first
lapis mauve
just sam lb and get 5 kills
Ngl i used to think samurais where scrubs but now i when i see one in my team im wishing him good LB's have seen some hard ass turn arounds thanks to SAM's
glossy cape
my favorite new combo is Ogi before wind
Guard
And then dash the healer and kaeshi namikiri
eat shit, fucker
sinful tundra
i love the wind knock thing because the second the healer drops i rush them and ...
i had this happen once and me and 2 other melees in my team all lbd the healer at the same time
it was just way too good
glossy cape
funny though cause
people overestimate the agency healers have over health
only WHM can actively life suppport you
the other healers are more about buffs and debuffs
sinful tundra
yeah i usually dont target the healer unless its a sage or whm
glossy cape
yah
sinful tundra
if its another healer ill go for nin mch smn etc
lapis mauve
only WHM can actively life suppport you
What about Sage with the connection thing?
sinful tundra
kardia?
lapis mauve
I had a Sage hit me with that and we held point in an overtime for like a good minute and a half
Yeah Kardia
glossy cape
only works on dosis and is a measly 2k per cast
lapis mauve
only works on dosis and is a measly 2k per cast
Damn that blows
lapis mauve
You were just not bursting enough <a:NODDERS:911410761702727750>
Wdym not bursting enough haha
glossy cape
yes
lapis mauve
I was bursting you betcha
lapis mauve
clearly not if they lived <a:NODDERS:911410761702727750>
Only 4 did i swear on me nan
The RDM was killed tho
warm lily
Anyone else getting players just standing around throwing matches in CC lol
lapis mauve
sage was alive
Sage was with me XDDD
lapis mauve
I had a Sage hit me with that and we held point in an overtime for like a good m...
We held*
I would never struggle against a healer
lapis mauve
I eat them for breakfast with chips
glossy cape
you were against them in a competition for the point
was about to cal you a scrub monk
eh fuck it
you're a scrub monk
where's the team kills
if you're not rescuing or knocking your allies into aoe, you're not even playing the game right fun over wins
lapis mauve
I'll have SAM and DRG hitting me and use gap close on healer so they turn on him
Thats what they get for playing AST
swift reef
does deep freeze break on damage?
fringe tiger
Yeah, it's consistent; You can instantly recharge your cure 2 charges by interru...
Lmao what
swift reef
it does appear so
candid patrol
whm is a problem in frontline
half the party is whm, then they just all launch their light beams and insta gibs half the map
versed lily
they are a problem in crystal too
crude heron
I swear I'm getting gold today even if it kills me
candid patrol
atleast it's just one, that can be dealt with... but when u see 12 on the enemy team...
amber escarp
how do you get out of bronze
lapis mauve
how do you get out of bronze
Get Good
amber escarp
what if my teammates wont get good