Literally we'd be battling on-point, and then all I hear is "TACTICAL NUKE INCOMING!" and then either my team disappears, or theirs
#archived-player-vs-player
glossy cape
and you can do superflare > lb > superflare
atomic tulip
drg lb is a nuke
severe heath
It's always funny when two Machinists uses their LB's on each other because it's like a Cowboy Gunslinger draw-off
severe heath
It does
glossy cape
Pyke ult for Ninja
unique acorn
True lol
severe heath
It's like a micro-league
unique acorn
League of legends and overwatch had a baby
severe heath
drg lb is a nuke
Overwatch METEOR STRIKE intensifies
scenic belfry
At least losing games dont darg on for 30 minutes
glossy cape
ye
atomic tulip
copy what works
glossy cape
isn't the game like 5-10 mins per match
severe heath
Yeah the one thing I can say is, most games lasts barely 5 minutes
glossy cape
yah
atomic tulip
has been riot's strategy and it's been working very well
severe heath
So if you set aside an hour of just doing it non stop you can grind pretty fast
glossy cape
i think my fastest frontline was like 12 
formal hill
isn't the game like 5-10 mins per match
my usual is like 3min
glossy cape
good jammers
unique acorn
Yeah I haven't had many games go into overtime
severe heath
In frontline we consistently hit the timer if every team is too even
formal hill
lmao yeah ive been on most of the day
severe heath
Yeah I haven't had many games go into overtime
Almost every single one of the games I've had went into overtime because I was a stubborn fork who uses Tank LB and basically solo-holds the point when teammates gave up
Yeah I'm that person
atomic tulip
cause this time
formal hill
wolves den packed
fringe tiger
unique acorn
Jeeeesus
severe heath
How in the hell did you get to plat 4
formal hill
damn lmao
formal hill
ive played like 55 CC games already
formal hill
it's possible
fringe tiger
I am usually top-damage
severe heath
jesus
fringe tiger
for every match
formal hill
im also on vacation
unique acorn
Queue times must be 2 hours lol
fringe tiger
I'm ALWAYS poking
and always attacking
No, queues are less than 2 minutes
sometimes less than 1 minute
there's a few people up here
unique acorn
That's disgusting
severe heath
See my stats are mediocre as a PLD, but that's also because my main contributions mostly is stun locking a Melee DPS and then never letting them use their LB
Because screw their LB
atomic tulip
im always top 1 or 2 too in dmg but just on smn
severe heath
Sometimes I am top DPS as a PLD but that's more the team doing something REALLY wrong than me doing well
fringe tiger
im always top 1 or 2 too in dmg but just on smn
by top
I mean
I'm usually VERY far ahead
of most everyone
severe heath
You'd be surprised how people forgets their ABC
ALWAYS BE CASTING
MACHINIST GOD DAMN IT STOP STANDING THERE AND CAST LITERALLY ANYTHING A
severe heath
Tas' pretty good 😮
atomic tulip
I'm usually VERY far ahead
hmm the furthest ive seen was me at 900k and the 2nd highest is 600k most of the time it's more closer +-100k tho
severe heath
I always just laugh whenever I lose a game, look at how much damage I soaked for the team, and the number is like 1,100,000
Just silently cries
unique acorn
Melee is a "little" strong right now lol
severe heath
Only a tiny bit little itty bit
atomic tulip
maybe i should try drg or rpr
severe heath
That's why I, as Paladin, like to stun Melee's mid-combo. If I'm going down might as well be annoying
unique acorn
Sam is fun as heck and the lb is kinda silly
severe heath
SAM LB is stupid strong
fringe tiger
spaghetti game
formal hill
died so my team could escort hte payload to victory. aw yea
severe heath
My game's audio randomly just STOPS working so I have to do a full game exit and restart
atomic tulip
ive heard of that bug since ew release but never experienced it myself
unique acorn
My audio has been bugged all day lol I have up and muted most sounds
formal hill
ive had it a handful of times
severe heath
Weird
formal hill
pvping without sound is a nightmare
severe heath
Funnily enough I do better in Crystalline Conflict with music blasting in my ears and drowning out FFXIV
I swear I can see faster
severe heath
Oh most certainly
I found that whenever I am "in the zone", I click so fast that I accidentally am hitting my abilities and moving so fast that the game thinks I am doing a hotkey (Alt+P for quick party chat) and screwing me up
severe heath
Melees are seriously scary yeah
If you're a ranged or Healer against a Melee, run
Really only another Melee or Tank can deal with a melee
and for tank only really PLD can deal with Melees because we have like 3 stuns
fringe tiger
Melee need to either be squishier or do less damage
unique acorn
I tried dancer.. but it hits like a pool noodle lmao maybe I'm just bad
severe heath
yeah Dancer on paper just sounds kinda bad for Crystalline
Because of how small the maps are and how quick games are, it just seems like Melees are overall just... better
unique acorn
I was hitting a blm and he healed my entire combo with 1 heal lol like what am I supposed to do now
formal hill
do u get anyything for ranking
severe heath
Last game a Black Mage hard focused me and was pummeling me for an entire encounter as I stun locked their DPS friend. They couldn't even reliably get through my Shieldtron.
severe heath
I was hitting a blm and he healed my entire combo with 1 heal lol like what am I...
Recuperation is insane yeah
formal hill
ive met very few ppl who can actually use the elixir
severe heath
BLM has surprising endurance now since they can readily increase their MP, meaning they can get out more recuperations
formal hill
oh is that why? huh
severe heath
of course if you burn them down, they still die
Since their Max HP is still a caster
I'm sad how streamlined PVP is now though
I loved it when I did 1v1 Samurai vs Samurai in the Wolve's Den
And it was a game of who mastered their Samurai opener
Now it's more "Who button mashes faster the right buttons"
unique acorn
Or in the 5v5, which melee has lb first lol
severe heath
lol legit
unique acorn
For a first draft tho, it's super fun
unique acorn
WHM = lulu
severe heath
AFAIK, it goes through Tank LB too
I can be invuln, and then get instantly shut down by turning into a sheep
formal hill
wait it strips buffs too?
unique acorn
I got stopped mid lb by being turned into a sheep. Literally made my lb disappea
formal hill
yeah the GNB experience
formal hill
it's why i swapped to DRG lol
formal hill
u cant get interrupted
severe heath
wait it strips buffs too?
Yup
unique acorn
Ok guess it's time to join the melee club 
severe heath
That one makes kind of sense
severe heath
It's a reference to Fajin Chinese Monks do IRL where they basically do more damage the harder the thing it hits is
fringe tiger
Not something that can just be stripped off
tall nacelle
Anyone on aether want to play CC custom game? We have a 5 stack
fading timber
I'm enjoying being op but maaaaybbeee whm needs a nerf?
glossy cape
no
fading timber
WHM LB be like reverses team fortune
Yeah monk dps hits real hard
brd hits like wet tissue tho
chrome meadow
whoever made AST's LB for pvp needa be smacked
probably the crappiest out of all the healers by far
fringe tiger
seriously
nerf melee
fucking braindead role in pvp atm
so broken
so much damage
no way to stop them
chrome meadow
meele and range class feel broken since they have their own barriers and heals
floral pollen
playing blm is like playing a turn based character while everyone is playing league
sinful tundra
fringe tiger
either glass cannon or survival
chrome meadow
especially since meele have those 1 hitter LBs
sinful tundra
only drg really
sinful tundra
they dont 1 shot tho
chrome meadow
oh and drg is just digusting in the large pvp
sinful tundra
isnt the drg one a 1 shot guranteed>?
fringe tiger
from SAM
sinful tundra
or is it sam
chrome meadow
no?
sinful tundra
cant remember
chrome meadow
its sam/ninja
fringe tiger
stupid melee is braindead easy mode for pvp right now
if youw ant easy games just go melee
chrome meadow
drg just does stupid amounts of aoe damage on LB with guaranteed invincibility and set up
im very confused about ASTs role in pvp
formal hill
only crystal i think
chrome meadow
AST seems more of a off support off dps class, with their AOE debuffs and mana + LB meter gainz
sinful tundra
damn now i see why ppl r saying whm is op
subtle hornet
Samurai LB nuke requires the counter set up
sinful tundra
im sure theyll nerf things later on
atomic tulip
sounds like a league player
fringe tiger
These fucking mongoloid melee at plat just swarm like crazy
because nothing can stop them lol
they have so much damage
and self-defense
throw a healer on them
like wtf do you do
chrome meadow
AST LB - when you cast, 50% your teammates die and 50% they are not in range for your buffs
chrome meadow
also overtime shouldnt be a thing in the new pvp mode, it makes the run way longer than 5 minutes
atomic tulip
makes it exciting tho
sinful tundra
when the map starts doing aoes
it gets real stressful but exciting yea
that only happens during overtime, yea?
atomic tulip
can be hectic yea
severe heath
meta seems to be stun and ko
The thing is if you're a tank, if you don't stun, Melee LB or just Melee in General will MELT YOU DOWN so fast
sinful tundra
i do that to healers
severe heath
So honestly stunning and letting you get bomber man'd is the best strap lol
fringe tiger
The thing is if you're a tank, if you don't stun, Melee LB or just Melee in Gene...
Which is fucked up because RDM is a skirmisher who needs to melee to use half of their kit
where is MY stun to survive going in? lol
my 6000 barrier shields are a fucking meme from melee combo lmao
You know what I noticed
there's hardly any casters up here
in platinum
severe heath
Yeah casters would get slaughtered
Also yeah the RDM barrier REALLY needs to be 10,000 potency
Less than Shieldtron (12,000) but still very substantial
Even that 10,000 will get melted down fast
fringe tiger
I get 6000 per melee
grand total of 18000
after 3 hits
meme
I literally
can not charge in as rdm
at plat
chrome meadow
scholar and ast needs some love in pvp
glossy cape
aww yiss, 2m 30s for a match
sinful tundra
my fastest was a 1 min loss
wind dove
no idea why sometimes it feels like my team jsut hits like a wet noodle while taking 100% increased damage
fringe tiger
Yeah
Plat-4 is elo hell for casters
Melee is broken, period
No fucking arguments allowed
I see like no casters here
just mountains of melee, healers, or tanks
severe heath
Not even Plat-4
floral pollen
maybe smn with that baha wombo
is the only one that can even considered playable
out of the casters
severe heath
I am ranking and deranking between Bronze 3 and silver 3, that range, and I've only seen one caster or ranged maybe like twice in my 20 or so games
floral pollen
even then drg ult is just a stronger version of that kekw
fringe tiger
They're both the same problem
severe heath
I can cover my teammate before they die a full 3 seconds before any damage
and they still die
fading timber
now i just need to stop getting stuck with people who don't know their burst :v
fringe tiger
as soon as I get stunned i'm dead by the time I come out of stun with purify
severe heath
Yeah it sucks
sinful tundra
yeahh ffxiv ping is bleh
fringe tiger
As soon as my game stops having non-stop melee swarms
I start ranking up easily
It's literally just melee
sinful tundra
i wouldve expected more ranged tbh
especially mch and bard since i used to see a lot in front lines
fringe tiger
There's barely any rdm up here
I seen a lot of bard
Havne't seen a dancer at all since silver
fading timber
brd doesnt do much in damage
sinful tundra
ive played vs 2 dancers, no rdms, a BUNCH of blm and smn
sinful tundra
a weirdly big amount of blm lol
fading timber
rn I'm just sliding down from bronze 1
subtle hornet
especially mch and bard since i used to see a lot in front lines
New bard lost most of their burst, it's more of a support class now
fringe tiger
He wanted me dead SO BAD
glossy cape
fringe tiger
if you were a healer or tank that reaper did their job
rdm
fading timber
also idk why i keep getting matched with people who forget to lb
floral pollen
my ultimate is charging
fringe tiger
fading timber
and the worst part is that i cant tell them to use lb
severe heath
Because chat is locked
fringe tiger
fun fact
severe heath
Because of toxicity I guess
fringe tiger
you can't type in your own fc chat
or
cwls
while inside pvp ranked
It straight up disables all of your chatting abilitiy
lol
amber escarp
is it just me or does dark seem incredibly broken in cc?
severe heath
Can't even reply to a linkshell for a fate train to tell them "IN A CC MATCH, GIVE ME LITERALLY 5 MINUTES!"
fringe tiger
yup it's a meme lol
chrome meadow
umm does samurai have an ability that makes them move fasteR?
chrome meadow
well the problem is the current pvp favors burst vs sustain dps
since EVERYONE gets a tanky barrier and a big fat instant heal button its either fast kill or no kill 😦
fringe tiger
fading timber
and that's the bottom of bronze :/
wind dove
I really don't get the new game mode. Like sometimes it feels like no one on my team is able to do any damage yet my whole team just crumples like wet paper
amber escarp
cant believe i crawled out of silver on a team with 2 healers
i think i gonna plan my queus around getting the normal map with the zoompads
the other 2 have too much rng involved
fringe tiger
glossy cape
Weak
somber breach
fading timber
I had a game with 1 mil dmg earlier
tropic quail
Is anyone on ps4 getting massive delay in frontlines
Legitimate question, I dunno if it's on my end
fading timber
I still have the problem of not being able to actually kill shit cause others kill it first
subtle hornet
Question about frontlines
somber breach
yo
fading timber
I think descriptions say no
fringe tiger
Omg
Those madmen
have gone and done it
with the adventure portraits https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/u2353l/adventure_plates_are_really_something/
fading timber
Oh. Yeah totally
glossy cape
Hawooga mama
atomic tulip
T pose for dominance
fringe tiger
Since I can't queue for pvp
due to +30min queues
I've been bullying people in the duel area
of wolve's den
amber escarp
fading timber
well unlike you I'm actually stuck with the people in bronze
not kidding with the 1 mil btw
fresh coyote
so does monk get their lb twice as fast as everyone else?
subtle hornet
Teach me your skills, how do you do so much damage as a machinist 
fresh terrace
I dunno what changed since yesterday but im getting spawnrolled in every match now 
how do you avoid getting 7 statuses on you at once lmao
tulip oracle
so has people realize what job is easier in pvp ???
fresh coyote
i think sam is one of the easiest right now from what i saw
you have great mobility, defensives, and a one shot lb.
tulip oracle
how is mch?
fresh coyote
when i tried it, it felt meh like it took so long to put out damage
few instant casts and you can move while casting but you move a lot slower
fresh coyote
red mage and summoner are pretty good from what i played
bard is good if you want to support but if a melee gets on you that's it for you
from my experience Melee>Healers>=tanks>ranged
tulip oracle
.> damn
fresh coyote
yeah
tulip oracle
ranged are that weak?
fresh coyote
melee chew through health bars while being tanky
fading timber
I’m willing to vouch for the WHM railgun, used correctly it can turn games/prevent enemy from turning their way.
fresh coyote
someone might be able to give better insight but yeah
fading timber
Brd gameplay is okay but tbh it’s missing the burst ability that most jobs have now
fresh coyote
i feel i can get the burst with pitch perfect>3 charged shot (forgot the name)>apex arrow
fading timber
DRG is still a great PvP class imo, you got access to a good amount of AOE skills + your gapcloser and backflip + combos for those things
fresh coyote
but other classes can do it faster
fading timber
Yeah but it’s nothing compared to what the other classes do
And the lb is... they sing.
fresh coyote
giving your melee their lb's faster :D
fading timber
Good if your teams on point with lb, which most of the time they arent
tulip oracle
XD
fresh coyote
also bard feels like it takes forever to build lb compared to other jobs too
fading timber
DRG is still a great PvP class imo, you got access to a good amount of AOE skill...
Did I also mention the jump away and manual aim a dive that is capabile of almost killing everyone in range?
fading timber
BLM.... eh it’s okay. The one thing it has going for it is that it’s LB is flare spam.
Otherwise it has AOE as the 3rd action of it’s rotation
fresh coyote
they new pvp is very fun
fading timber
Well only you can answer that question
fresh coyote
yes there is a pvp reward system now for basic pvp
nah you can do it any level past 30 (iirc)
fading timber
Tbh imo it comes at expense of the FL gameplay, you lose a lot of the methodicalness that makes bigger battles enjoyable simply cause now you can burst anyone like nobody’s business
tulip oracle
ths is good time for me to get into pvp, new mode for me to level up my jobs, and and event
fresh coyote
true frontlines i feel are not as fun because it is a chaosfest moreso than before
crystaline conflict
tulip oracle
watch videos about the 6.1 pvp changes before you resub
fresh coyote
its like push the payload
fading timber
I have absolutely no clue what that is cause this is my first proper mmo
fresh coyote
yeah
tulip oracle
it gone live on 12
so yesterday
damn the new skills look fun :3
I mean not new per say, but the way they are aranged
fresh coyote
there are some new ones
fresh terrace
well the problem is the current pvp favors burst vs sustain dps
I put this wisdom to the test and instantly started winning matches 
thanks, boop-san
tulip oracle
damn are there only 4 training dummys in wolfs den?
vast crag
damn are there only 4 training dummys in wolfs den?
you can jump to other server and use the striking dummy there as well
but yeah, only 4
stark grove
Apparently LB builds while in combat, even when you're not doing anything
I'm looking at GNB and like... It's just a melee DPS with higher HP ? There is not a single defensive ability in this whole kit lmao
fresh terrace
aren't there 8 dummies in wolfs den?
there's 4 more upstairs from the trading counters, but nobody seems to use them
tulip oracle
oh nice
true there ain’t many here
Ughhh I HATE THE WHITE MENIU THEME
is there no bloody way to change it?
tulip oracle
actualy I forgot whatever my UI mode will actualy work in pvp >.> that’s how long I haven’t touch pvp
frozen parrot
I think i am cursed when it comes to pvp, 1 win out of 50 so far .p
tulip oracle
btw were do I see the battle pass?
noble swan
I swear PvP is so stupid
Why does a Monk or a NIN have a stun but GNB doesn't anymore
Makes no frickin' sense
How is this balanced
noble swan
btw were do I see the battle pass?
PvP Profile Top Right
tulip oracle
thanks
lilac vortex
if the garo even ends but you have the title can you still get the achievements later? i'm not winning often lol....
tulip oracle
lol imagine farming for the black mecha horse thingy
lilac vortex
that is exactly what i'm imagining, because i wanna get them all ❤️
frozen parrot
is it normal to have less then 5% winrate in ranked?
lilac vortex
if the garo even ends but you have the title can you still get the achievements ...
so does anyone possibly know, preferably someone who isn't an ass?
frozen parrot
When last Garo event ended so did the way to get the mount
Hmm I think ACH might be the weakest healer at the moment
noble swan
WHY THE FUCK IS MY PORTRAIT NOT SHOWING BEFORE A MATCH
Its seriously frickin' annoying. I set it as an instant portrait, I linked it to my Job. What the heck am I doing wrong?
frozen parrot
Am I doing something wrong I just lose all matches?
noble swan
No MM is unbalanced as heck
noble swan
Team is just standing there while I go in
They kill me instantly and then the team is fighting 4v5
Its LoL all over
frozen parrot
Matches goes a bit better as WHM than ACH since I am a bit more tankier
But still lose of course
fresh terrace
Its seriously frickin' annoying. I set it as an instant portrait, I linked it to...
I had the same problem a few times
it only works reliably if I re-set the instant portrait after changing jobs 
you were right zook, WHM does kick ass once you get to know em @long berry
frozen parrot
How? matches I have I am lucky if my team gets 5 total kills.
fresh terrace
spend a few minutes reading your pvp skills and practicing on a training dummy
frozen parrot
I have and I keep healing as WHM and ACH but my team still jsut explodes
fresh terrace
if you can figure out one good burst combo, that's all you need 
like for WHM, I rush in with seraph strike, hit cure III, then spam afflatus misery and glare until the limit break arrives
definitely use aquaveil in the mix
you can get a kill almost every time you use afflatus purgation if you time it right
noble swan
I mean in the end it doesnt even matter if you win, you still get 700 EXP
frozen parrot
I am doing that, but again my team dies within 15 secs of the fight
I just feel like I am cursed in pvp
fresh terrace
I felt the same way about half an hour ago honestly
frozen parrot
I do get 700 exp which is good, which I am happy about
The mode is great, just maybe I want to have teammates and face people on my skilllevel?
noble swan
What are the rewards for Ranked btw?
I mean whats the reason to play ranked apart from getting a rank?
frozen parrot
this season it is for the Adventure plate and Series 1 currency
fresh terrace
cosmetics, some role-specific gear sets
stuff to decorate your adventurer's plate with
fresh terrace
this dude sells them, at the wolve's den arena
battle pass is mostly currency, but there's some other cute stuff on it
like a book that teaches you /determined
noble swan
So then where can I see the ranked rewards?
fresh terrace
like rank-specific rewards? not sure
noble swan
I know that you get stuff for reacing a specific level.
fresh terrace
yeah, I think they're announcing those later since they're end of season rewards
noble swan
I hope they'll stick to just Portrait shit and put armors in the Battlepass. I dont want to play Ranked.
honest trellis
noble swan
I'd end up in Bronze because Im bad and so are people I play with kek
noble swan
I dont understand how people can get 65 victories in Ranked
Is Ranked better than casual? I played roughly 10-15 casual matches and won 4 or 5.
modest oak
Ranked is casual with rewards imo
Either way both give the same quality teammates, not sure why you lose stars for losing with a bad team
versed lily
whm seems a bit busted
void dawn
Can anyone explain what the point of tanks are compared to melee dps like dragoon and samurai
Both are equally good at getting into and staying in a fight, all I can see is the tanks have a little bit more durability in their actions (at least war has healing didnt look at pld) and can debuff one or a small group of targets
I'm not sure how base stats work in pvp maybe they have a crapload of tenacity
spiral brook
Secondary stats don’t exist in PVP AFAIK
The main gimmick of tanks is their extra HP/self-sustain and more CC skills
void dawn
I see. Maybe drk is just a bit underwhelming, they're the ones I'm analyzing most and I cant see why I'd play it personally unless I can salted earth into a giant glob of people
Warrior seemed good but it looked like dragoon on crack instead of a bulwark to hide behind. I'll look at gunbreaker now
Gunbreaker does look real fun, you get to pick up the slack of what roles your team needs and you can basically be Brigitte from OW. I dig it. Though if D&J isn't a permanent buff like aetherial mimicry then that's a bit less fun
modest oak
I see. Maybe drk is just a bit underwhelming, they're the ones I'm analyzing mos...
Good when holding the crystal
Only problem is you will probably get knocked out of it fast
But personally unless you are playing high up rankings the only way to climb in a good pace is playing melee dps
Cause I just hit gold 4 a couple of minutes ago as dragoon
void dawn
I was probably going to play samurai anyway but heard theres a lack of tank and healer jobs making some games one-sided. I'll consider going thru with Sam for a while then
Id probably end up playing warrior after all when tanks are more necessary. Healers don't heal nearly as much as before so all that self healing will make jumping into a fight like an idiot actually work
lucid nest
Samurais being Invincible while five people limit break them needs to not be a thing as soon as possible
As fun as crystalline is it is an unbalanced mess of Chaos
tawdry snow
Used to use WHM in Frontlines, but it feels like WHM is now no longer viable there due to the job action changes
Any recommendation for what to swap to?
weary inlet
Nothing will be as 
as whm in old frontlines sadly
It's prolly best to just play around with a lot of stuff and just see
restive osprey
Whm is absolutely still viable. Skill changes makes it more fun. Being a whm tank is still hilarious and it's great coming out with 9+ kills
Takes a bit more finesse to not insta die, but they're still fine
noble swan
How viable would you say is GNB in PvP and is it better to just play a DPS?
eternal spoke
just had a 3 healer vs 3 healer match 
the 1st fight lasted like 2m before anyone died 
somber breach
How viable would you say is GNB in PvP and is it better to just play a DPS?
In Crystal they are super helpful
fresh terrace
healers are quite nice in CC it feels like
especially when the other team doesn't have one
safe jolt
They do.
short jetty
to make you mad apparently
noble swan
It should move when there are 3 people vs 1
Not as fast as when theres no one but it should move
Screw PvP, it sucks anyway KEKW
tawdry snow
Then maybe i just need more practice...
Any tips?
I can't play like how i used to (spamming heals from the back)
lapis mauve
And the PvP changes are great, just nerf SAM a bit
And dragoon
lapis mauve
Ohhh I love Crystal so much
but same
somber breach
Dragoon is bad?
I know NIN reck me as a MCH
If a SAM jumps on me I just curl up into a ball
It'll be over soon. They'll kill me and move on
lapis mauve
If a SAM jumps on me I just curl up into a ball
They are supper oppresive
somber breach
Well depends on the SAM
somber breach
I Vs a SAM who did 900k dps while our Sam did 400k. I had 800k.
lapis mauve
Yeah i feel you team disparity is just a pvp issue you can't solve haha
but we try amirite
lapis mauve
Yeah atleast its just no suffering
minor bobcat
restive osprey
Any tips?
In general, whm is agro heavy. At least how I play it. I'm diving in there and making them use abilities on me while using the cure3 charge , aquaveiling myself, and recuperate. Use LB when it's up. It's definitely different now that we don't have all the heals and assize at our disposal so being in the back won't really help.
somber breach
DRG is good in Crystal
Melee is good
SMN, MCH good
Dancer needs a good team
Idk about BRD
weary inlet
The WHMs that manage to get less healing off than the DPS players over an entire match
restive osprey
Only so much two charges of cure can do xD can spam recoup more than that
Cure3s locked behind seraph strike and if folks wanna LoS the heal or not be together for the aoe heal gotta work with what we got lol
weary inlet
I mean, over a 5 minute match though. I dunno what you're doing at that point. They got peeled for and everything
tepid zealot
All healers just spam heal themselves when I play because they always are the last alive if we actually kill anyone.
From my experience
tawdry snow
In general, whm is agro heavy. At least how I play it. I'm diving in there and m...
I... see...
weary inlet
Also, what do you do if you have 2 tanks on your team, both pepega and just instadie over and over?
Is that just kinda an afk in base angle?
mystic mortar
self shields, an extra cleanse, high burst and aoe, multiple gap closers, good cc
lapis mauve
self shields, an extra cleanse, high burst and aoe, multiple gap closers, good c...
He might as well
Be ranged DPS
Impossible to run away from and to hold in place
I hard focus Sams and tell team to do so everytime i can
mystic mortar
almost feels wrong to do that since they have so much durability
ive started just trying to gimp a backline and turn it 4v5
lapis mauve
ive started just trying to gimp a backline and turn it 4v5
With monk you can 1 shot healers with combo
So i usually do that too
but Samurai goddamn
Grim tidings when i see them in loading
lapis mauve
Also Monk LB sucks shits lol
And i'm a hardcore monk player
Zantetsuken breaks guard and possibly 1 shots?? wtf lol
mystic mortar
imo it should just do full damage if shielded or not
lapis mauve
imo it should just do full damage if shielded or not
Exactly what i think
mystic mortar
monk felt realllly bad when i tried it
lapis mauve
monk felt realllly bad when i tried it
It's a bit weak compared to other DPS
gotta really use kit to fullest to win
mystic mortar
ive been running MCH purely because i can just remove someone with drill+LB
only way i feel i have impact if i dont wanna play sam or somethin
lapis mauve
Yeah but i play monk for fun in the end
just hope Sam gets a retouch
maybe in todays maintenance
merry arrow
Sam is broken?
somber breach
Sam is broken?
It's a little too powerful imo
merry arrow
Cant even play melee in pvp so i cant relate much..
glossy cape
sounds like a skill issue ngl
lapis mauve
Zantetsuken blows my poor Meteordrive outta the water
lapis mauve
That's not the issue
glossy cape
and zantetsu won't instant
lapis mauve
I don't attack the Chiten sam
they are still better period
I specified above monk is weak too XD
But SAM is very strong and your high on copium if you don't think so
somber breach
not attack a chiten sam
But red = dead
merry arrow
Question for someone who barely pvp how long would it take to get 60wins for the garo mount?
lapis mauve
Question for someone who barely pvp how long would it take to get 60wins for the...
With the title idk couple of hours?
glossy cape
could be braindead fast like 3h
lapis mauve
not more than a day
glossy cape
easily doable in a day
lapis mauve
^^^
merry arrow
Hoping i can get it done in a day...
glossy cape
easily
lapis mauve
Just play Machinist if you don't feel like your good in PVP
merry arrow
Im like losing at least 10 games before i get a win
glossy cape
teh amount of braindead sams i saw 
lapis mauve
I might pickup SAM but i feel like im cheating on my beloved MNK
lapis mauve
teh amount of braindead sams i saw <:SleepyMew:669500454241173509>
NGL i've seen a lot too
glossy cape
pick it up and see the kit for yourself
see the weakpoints
like just silencing the sam after ogi
lapis mauve
I can't silence as monk 😭
merry arrow
I seen WAR with a healer thrashing more than SAM
merry arrow
Tried but idk how to make it work
lapis mauve
Had a DNC choose me as partner and we were pumping crazy damage and holding point hard too
glossy cape
literally like
figure out the specialty
and go ham
BRD can melt in the 3s of silence it gets
lapis mauve
figure out the specialty
Actually i can't say concretely what specialty MNK has
Maybe burst?? I can 1 shot healers with combo
lapis mauve
phantom rush -> six sided star -> lb3 = kill
Thats exactly the fatty combo
Only reason why i still play it , so satisfying
sinful tundra
yea its so fun
somber breach
MCH LB is fun to target a healer and watch them fall over lol
lapis mauve
I use gap closer into attack boosted aoe thingy and six sided star then LB
its instant kill on pretty much most classes
sinful tundra
cursed comps
glossy cape
does enlightenment break combo?
long sapphire
I may be blind but I can't seem to figure out how to use the fleeting/forked raiju, where does the fleeting raiju ready come from? I read all the tooltips and I couldn't find the thing, what am I doing wrong
lapis mauve
does enlightenment break combo?
Which one is that?? I keep forgetting ability names
glossy cape
Which one is that?? I keep forgetting ability names
knockback + buff next weaponskill or lb by 8k
lapis mauve
I think nothing breaks combo no?
glossy cape
cause in that case
sinful tundra
does enlightenment break combo?
no
i dont think so
i actually just realized i never use enlightenment
lapis mauve
Phantom is pretty good just sad its locked to last thing in combo
glossy cape
demolish > enlight > gap close > rising > phantom rush
deadly as fuck
it's a free 8k
phantom will do 18k
possibly 27k if rising buffs enlight buff as well
like come the fuck on lmao
mystic mortar
I may be blind but I can't seem to figure out how to use the fleeting/forked rai...
Using the mudra ability turns most of your basic abilities into ninjutsu, raiju will be on your main combo button, then fleeting raiju appears on the same place after casting the first one
lapis mauve
like come the fuck on lmao
But you still have to do 6 moves b4 phantom
long sapphire
Using the mudra ability turns most of your basic abilities into ninjutsu, raiju ...
Thanks I guess I am just blind
glossy cape
you can use riddle of earth while you build up the combo
also your gap closer gives you a barrier
lapis mauve
Riddle is good , just gotta be careful for the archers
mystic mortar
Thanks I guess I am just blind
Nah pvp nin kit is weird when you first look at it
lapis mauve
with their silence
lapis mauve
That silence wrecks probably every class
glossy cape
and what you can do in the meantime while you build up to it
sinful tundra
drg is pretty good
glossy cape
once you got that down
lapis mauve
Yeah imo MNK is good at bursting but needs a bit more imo
glossy cape
learn the other jobs
to figure out their burst tells
so you can shut them down with CC
like
if you can CC the sam and get them to use Purify
their burst goes out the window cause Meikyo can't be used when silenced or stunned
lapis mauve
Wait but am i missing something
As Monk can't he cleanse
my stun?
He gets 2 Purifications right?
glossy cape
Hence
bait the first cc
purify is a 30s cd
you stun is 15s
we can't meikyo when stunned
or silenced
sinful tundra
glossy cape
afaik
meikyo is just a CC shield
not an actual purify
and it only lasts 3s
You really gotta pay attention to debuffs and buffs
lapis mauve
I mean fair enough , i still think SAM is a bit strong but i respect theorycrafting the counters
glossy cape
yeah
i'm flipping my party list so it's on the right
and enemy list on left
so i can see the buffs in effectively middle of my screen
lapis mauve
Oh yeah i have that too but i legit didn't know the Meikyo icon XD
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mystic mortar
Side note, am I the only one who thinks they need to match the amount of roles per team. Like idc if I end up with a 2 tank 3 dps team but It should match it with another 2 tank 3 dps team (and so on)
mystic mortar
Does not feel like ranked does in my experience
sinful tundra
guard reminds me so much of wow's mistweaver coccoon
glossy cape
saw a 5 healer vs 5 tank match somewhere
but yeah like
any matchup can win against any matchup
you just gotta know the jobs and recognize bursts
so you can shut them down rq
lapis mauve
Side note, am I the only one who thinks they need to match the amount of roles p...
If they hard enforce team balance problem is it can kill the game mode
glossy cape
like you can easily shut down sam burst by just throwing a teammate at the one he's trying to burst down
lapis mauve
Feast did this and it died so quick
glossy cape
cause ogi is 24k total if st
somber breach
I was facing a SAM, NIN, DRG, SMN, and Dancer last night... Quickest game of my life. We got rekt so hard.
sinful tundra
oof
lapis mauve
I was facing a SAM, NIN, DRG, SMN, and Dancer last night... Quickest game of my ...
I have no clue what SMN does in PVP yet
somber breach
AoE pulls people on
lapis mauve
I swear i see them doing bottom trash DPS or literally man handling my team with Bahamut
somber breach
If you see a wind circle run away
lapis mauve
i had a game where we wiped the enemy team and Bahamut just stayed there and started blasting us
somber breach
They'll pull you in and SAM/DRG will finish you off
mystic mortar
If they hard enforce team balance problem is it can kill the game mode
Feast had a specific number of roles required for a match to happen right? Like how dungeons have 1 tank 1 healer, 1dps. It doesn't have to restrict it like that, like 5 dps can still happen just gets matched against another 5 dps
glossy cape
Feast had a specific number of roles required for a match to happen right? Like ...
yes but then there'll be a team of 2 tanks and 3 healers who never get a match
cause who the fuck plays tank and healer
lapis mauve
1m 20s
The quickest one i saw was one of my first games in CC where someone just took crystal and won in like 50 secs
glossy cape
ye lmao
lapis mauve
nobody gave a damn and just kept fighting
sinful tundra
so we need full makai to get a title from the priest?
glossy cape
our tank just took the crystal and fucking ran
mystic mortar
yes but then there'll be a team of 2 tanks and 3 healers who never get a match
But it's all solo queue.... So they just split them up with dps in even amounts
glossy cape
But it's all solo queue.... So they just split them up with dps in even amounts
so you end up with Le Dungeon Problem
where dps have longer queues while they way for healers
besides
the jobs are fairly balanced
5 healers can win against 5 dps
no reason to add role restrictions
mystic mortar
so you end up with Le Dungeon Problem
where dps have longer queues while they wa...
No? Cuz dps can still get into 10dps matches
glossy cape
ok cool
So lets say there's a team made of 3 healers nad 2 dps
fuck do you do then
cause the queue will take longer searching for the 3 healers
than if it was to just throw tanks and dps into the mix
mystic mortar
You split it up with other people in queue
glossy cape
You really think the game will never match 3 healers and 2 dps on the same team?
mystic mortar
You can have a hand as long as you have ANY 5 pairs of roles
glossy cape
the point isn't "they'll never get a match"
the point is the queue will take longer
why gimp the queue times
I could queue for titan extreme and get a match in 8h
mystic mortar
It won't though, cuz instead of trying to make a team of 3 healers and 2 tanks it splits it up into a tank on each team, a healer on each team, then you need 1 more healer plus whatever 2 more pairs of roles to pop the queue
mystic mortar
It's not about role restrictions
It's about matching the same amount of roles with the same amount of roles
glossy cape
It won't though, cuz instead of trying to make a team of 3 healers and 2 tanks i...
So we get into dungeon problem because now both teams need a healer
mystic mortar
You need 1 healer on your example
glossy cape
as it stands right now
afaik and would make an educated guess
The game makes 2 5-man teams and then matches them together
It could be it just makes a lobby of 10 first and then splits
either way
mystic mortar
That would hardly damage queues
somber breach
Yeeep
glossy cape
cause now you gotta play more carefully as dps cause you can't expect a heal
icy parrot
is all limit break charging same speed? MNK's LB looks trash compare to others, if it actually charging faster then it makes sense
glossy cape
isntead of just
somber breach
2 healers is fun to face
sinful tundra
i agree with that* lmao
glossy cape
MEAT SHIELD MEAT SHIELD tanking
somber breach
It's hard
lapis mauve
is all limit break charging same speed? MNK's LB looks trash compare to others, ...
Charges about evenly with most dps
somber breach
It's a good challenge
glossy cape
like
lapis mauve
is all limit break charging same speed? MNK's LB looks trash compare to others, ...
It is trash ngl
lapis mauve
Wait does SAM LB go through shield without chiton?
glossy cape
lemme face 5 tanks as 5 dps if i want, god damn it
mystic mortar
You won't though
sinful tundra
yeah thats boring, u will ofc obv focus tanks or healers the entire time
icy parrot
SAM's LB is insane lol
glossy cape
Wait does SAM LB go through shield without chiton?
yes, it's 24k evne with guard up
sinful tundra
instead of a group full of dps and u have to decide who to focus
lapis mauve
Wait does SAM LB go through shield without chiton?
And does ninja Execute go through shield
glossy cape
You won't though
except i will
because the game throw 2 tanks, 2 healers and 6 dps into the same lobby
and it splits it evenly
like you wanted it to
it won't put 2 tanks and 3 dsp on the same team
cause you wanted it teven
so it's even
mystic mortar
Yeah but it could just as well put 3 tanks and 2 healers onto a team of the queue could support it
glossy cape
except it won't
lapis mauve
yes, it's 24k evne with guard up
See i think it wouldnt hurt for MNK to either get an LB buff or maybe make it so they don't need to rely on enlightenment so much
mystic mortar
If it can't you prolly end up with what most games are rn
glossy cape
because there's 5 dps, 3 tanks and 2 healers in the lobby
look
buddy
you wanted even role splits
mystic mortar
4 dps and a tank/healer
glossy cape
and now you're saying it can throw 3 tanks and 2 healers against 5 dps
make up your mind
do you want even roles
or not
mystic mortar
I did not say that
mystic mortar
I said it could make a game where there's 3 tanks 2 healers on both teams
glossy cape
either way
let me have funky matchups
it's fun
and more interesting
than balanced team compos
lapis mauve
Thats interesting , maybe when you fight against 2 tanks one of them is stupid
mystic mortar
Maybe just my experience then but I rarely have games with even roles
lapis mauve
so its balanced
somber breach
and more interesting
Very fun and tilting lol
glossy cape
Very fun and tilting lol
be me
5 healers
vs 5 tanks
we sleep the tanks
and just take crystal
a mimir
glossy cape
Poly 
poly good, more fun
somber breach
Lol damn it
sterile ibex
it was hazel
lapis mauve
I like the forums uwu
They remind me of the GAIA days
lapis mauve
they're fun comedy
and the biggest saltmine
but fun comedy and saltmines go hand in hand lol
weary inlet
I am so fucking tired of DRGs that won't use their LBs
glossy cape
I am so fucking tired of DRGs that won't use their LBs <:Pain:903945645499510794...
I am so fucking tired of 
that won't use their LBs
ftfy
lapis mauve
I am so fucking tired of DRGs that won't use their LBs <:Pain:903945645499510794...
It's such a good LB too
glossy cape
we had a god play lined up
summoner used garuda pull in
dragoon
but i also saw the most peepohands play ever
enemy dragoon was in circle in overtime
and the enemy team was right there
and he just
backflipped out
3s later w
weary inlet
I saw a DNC get a 5 man charm off
glossy cape
yeeee
lapis mauve
Can dragoon land earlier?