Cause the LB is flare spam
#archived-player-vs-player
glossy cape
Dragoon because they get to jump 
subtle hornet
Game making me pick up blm 
stark grove
I feel like PvP at first is going to feel like "if everything is OP, nothing is"
minor bobcat
Hey guys, you can’t use wolf marks to get the 6.1 set right?
You get it from leveling up that battle pass or whatever they named it?
amber escarp
You get it from leveling up that battle pass or whatever they named it?
That’s what it seemed like ya
minor bobcat
Okay thanks
formal hill
wait these pvp skills are lit
silk rune
PvP team putting more effort into these kits than the PvE team lol
glossy cape
oh yeah quick q
the limit breaks are per person i assume like they are now?
Or are they shared
formal hill
per person
wanton cargo
Hi everyone I need to have Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker to participate in New PvP?
silk rune
PvP just requires you be lv 30
silk rune
Also the patch notes tell you if content is restricted to a specific expansion
Looking at them, they all say 2.x
So you're good
wanton cargo
Thank you
winter shadow
So I'm someone who never played the feast but the new game mode seems fun. Is there a reason it seems they're just getting rid of Feast and not having it live along side the new gamemode?
formal hill
So I'm someone who never played the feast but the new game mode seems fun. Is th...
the general theme im getting from their current design is much more objective oriented
idk if thats true or not, but that seems to be somewhat relevant with the increase in CCs/zone control im seeing in these kits, and the map designs
native jackal
skill attack 100% of HP is not instant kill right?
Only instant kill I see only Ninja, I understand right?
amber escarp
you mean sam? they have an instant kill if the conditions are met yeah
at least going by reading the updated job section. we'll know for sure once the patch is live tomorrow
formal hill
i think theyre affected by guard/other DR, unless otherwise specified
cunning lantern
normal tinsel
wary orchid
spiral brook
shared payload, push it to the other team's side to win
silk rune
All the classes have unique skillsets now and there's less reliance on healers, they act more like supports
The mode won't allow teams to double up on classes either
stark grove
idk why I was expecting frontline queues to pop in a snap but I was wrong
primal hawk
new pvp is fhast
cursive frigate
Wait, I just done a frontline, 2nd place, and got 0 exp for the season ?
It's bugged
Nvm
plush folio
man, wasn't paying attention to the patch note readings or anything
went into game, played a few matches of pvp, had an absolute blast and was excited to play with friends
then I realized it's only solo que
ggwp
frozen parrot
Pvp 5 mins matches is a godsend if you just want to do some quick pvp for a day 😄 But damn, you really die quickly if you mess up
hot flax
I'm tempted to resub for pvp of all things lmao
frozen parrot
Yeah also I messed up pressing hte potion button without reading it, it is now a 4.5 sec cast
But heals you fully
Does the series pass always have 2000 per level?
2000 experince per level
Pvp Profile then Seriesx Malmstones
ripe pecan
It's not the usual icon. Has a unique one per class with the crossed swords from the normal LB icon in the corner.
minor bobcat
2000 for a series level? How much avg do you get a match?
spiral brook
Depends on your job, each one has a different limit break skill name
stark grove
2000 for a series level? How much avg do you get a match?
750 on a loss, 900 on a win, from what I've heard
silk rune
Yoshida already explained why this is the case
If you don't like it you can wait until they find a way to implement team queues later
stark grove
Is MCH the big brain PvP class ?
what with using analysis to give additional effects to your actions
wicked crypt
Healers feel a little.... Powerful in CC...
frozen parrot
Havent won a single match so far haha
wicked crypt
I've won a few but if the other side has 2+ healers you might as well just leave lol.
frozen parrot
I've won a few but if the other side has 2+ healers you might as well just leave...
I lose these matches as well
Umm overtime made me just lose..
We had mroe procent than the other team but match decided it is overtime.
wicked crypt
Goes into overtime if anyone on the enemy team is on the crystal
frozen parrot
But there werent an enemy on the crystal
We were pushing it without anyone else near it
for good solid 5 secs
wicked crypt
Eh, dunno. Team compositions are my primary complaint. Random team comps basically mean it's impossible to strategize and there are definitely winning comps
frozen parrot
I am sure it is an bug or something
if you win the first fight you have greater chance winning the match
So if your team wipes fully you will have a rough time getting back
exotic kayak
My first ranked match!
Came down to the wire in overtime.
But we squeaked through!
vernal quarry
so I'm fucking terrible with the new healer kits, how the hell are WHMs getting millions of healing done? afflatus purgation?
wicked crypt
Dude healers are the new tanks in CC lol. Cannot kill them if they're even semi-competent.
vernal quarry
well I'm less than semi competent, can't see how it's being done since nothing's spammable anymore. just having more than a tenth a brain and using charges a bit more carefully?
wicked crypt
Standard-Issue Elixirs at every opportunity. Restores HP and MP to full, like... 5s cast. The second there'sa break in the combat just put an obstacle between you and the enemy
vernal quarry
with the old pvp kits, 2-4 mil healing no problem with all the aoe heals available. but now? about everything only heals 12k and isn't nearly spammable
stark grove
I think the heal for MP for everyone was a mistake. Tank duels are stupid
wicked crypt
^
stark grove
I think tank duels can last pretty much forever
wicked crypt
They certainly can.
I'm really disenchanted with this game mode purely on the basis of how insanely imbalanced it can be by pure random chance of the party comps, honestly. Like it's a total crap shoot and nearly impossible to strategize around. That and ranged/casters are at an unbelievable disadvantage since they typically want to stay off of the objective, which is a death sentence in CC.
And I'm honestly flabbergasted at just how much healing potential the healers (and tanks, for that matter) have - seen a white mage face tank 4x DPS on the point until help arrived. Honestly don't think that should be possible, but maybe that's just me.
stark grove
Yeah healers have always been pretty ridiculous
I was hoping it'd get tuned down but nah
silk rune
I think the heal for MP for everyone was a mistake. Tank duels are stupid
It was established even before CC that dueling tanks is an idiotic move because of their higher HP pools and DMG reductions lol
wicked crypt
If anything they got tuned up for CC lol
stark grove
Here's to hoping they'll balance things out pretty fase
stark grove
It was established even before CC that dueling tanks is an idiotic move because ...
Yeah but you know, everything got reworked, so everything's new, so everything's gotta be tried
wicked crypt
Or just enforce party compositions so you don't wind up with unkillable comps (several healers/tanks) against a DoA comp (almost all ranged/casters)
silk rune
Enforcing party comps is why Feast died in the first place
wicked crypt
Well, yanno, maybe that's for the best lol. Maybe stop trying to do ranked PvP with exclusive rewards and just stick to PvE. Cause honestly I don't see this surviving much beyond the Garo event. Too random/chance-based and too looney-tunes all around.
silk rune
You can stick to PvE, PvP is fun as heck
stark grove
Or they can just balance PvP
Because some of us like it and would want it to be actually good
silk rune
And ye there will definitely be balance adjustments down the line
wicked crypt
You can stick to PvE, PvP is fun as heck
Bad troll is bad lol
silk rune
Yes you are
stark grove
It's not trolling
silk rune
Anyway
stark grove
You're in the PvP chan saying PvP shouldn't exist, what reactions are you expecting ?
wicked crypt
I was being hyperbolic, but a'ight
silk rune
stark grove
Poe's law, my man
wicked crypt
Lol, I'll be sure to add a /s at the end next time
stark grove
A lot of people find it cringe but it's a good way to not be Poe'd
fringe tiger
What the fuck did they do to red mage...?
I have to stance dance now?
as a caster?
weary inlet
Honestly. This PvP is a massive step up from what we had
Unkillable healers, pepega tanking, pea shooter dps. None of that was fun
Apart from some balancing things, IMO mainly on the healers and NIN, I don't see anything too glaringly wrong. If you hate random chances dont play this game. Your parses depend on crit which is also a random chance
Most instagibs can be played around regardless
silk rune
as a **caster**?
LB, Verflare and Verholy are your AoEs
fringe tiger
LB, Verflare and Verholy are your AoEs
verflare verholy require me to be face to face to reach no?
I'm essentially suiciding for the ability to aoe?
stark grove
Can you still change jobs to get XP on one job but play the match as another ?
fringe tiger
Did other classes have their AoE gutted?
stark grove
WAR only has AoE on one oGCD and when under their buff's effects
Machinist only has scattergun, on a 15s CD
silk rune
verflare verholy require me to be face to face to reach no?
Not sure what you're reading, but job guide says you have a range of 25y on Verflare/-holy
fringe tiger
So did they nerf aoe across the board then?
fringe tiger
Not sure what you're reading, but job guide says you have a range of 25y on Verf...
I can't use those abilities unless I triple melee
stark grove
I think SAM doesn't even have aoe ?
fringe tiger
It's a combo
vernal quarry
seems all aoe's on charges. since it'd be a bad time in CC if anyone had dumbfire aoe that was spammable
exotic kayak
I think SAM doesn't even *have* aoe ?
You have your AOE combo after charging in.
silk rune
I can't use those abilities unless I triple melee
Use white shift to give yourself shields with the melee combo
exotic kayak
But you need to have your buff from using your dash to use it once.
silk rune
Corps-a-corps also reduces your damage taken from your target too
fringe tiger
Use white shift to give yourself shields with the melee combo
black shift gives shieldes too with melee combo
So they basically are trying to nerf aoe spam I guess
amber escarp
silk rune
Job guide says it inflicts a DoT
silk rune
What's it say in game
silk rune
Lol
noble swan
Hey, does Crystalline Conflict always give 700 EXP for a lose and 900 EXP for a win?
And how to change the portrait? Setting one as instant doesn't work :X
weary inlet
Man the analysis chainsaw on MCH kinda feels like a trap. The stun and potencies are pretty damn good
amber escarp
And how to change the portrait? Setting one as instant doesn't work :X
Have to go into portrait, hit square / right click then set instant portrait
noble swan
Have to go into portrait, hit square / right click then set instant portrait
Doesnt work
amber escarp
Hey, does Crystalline Conflict always give 700 EXP for a lose and 900 EXP for a ...
I didn’t pay attention but those numbers look like what I’ve been getting
Did you set one up?
noble swan
Yeah I did
amber escarp
Would have to see what you’re doing then
formal hill
whats the reason for not being able to chat besides the quick chats in CC anyway
noble swan
I rightclick the saved portrait on the left side -> Set as instant portrait
stark grove
toxicity prevention
silk rune
Feast chat was toxic, so Quick Chat was implemented as a response
silk rune
For real, class identity is a thing in PvP, very surprising
noble swan
Does the EXP gradually increase as you get to higher ranks?
noble swan
So I need eventually more than just 2k EXP per Rank ?
lunar falcon
Oh yeah
lunar falcon
So far its been a 1k increase every 5 ranks
noble swan
Oh okay
amber escarp
whats the reason for not being able to chat besides the quick chats in CC anyway
Honestly it’s so fast paced that typing won’t even work well
We would end up making chat macros anyway
At least this way everyone has the same verbiage
lunar falcon
Thats not what I've seen so far
amber escarp
Haven’t tried brd. I like warrior
Brd gives lb though doesn’t it
That’s game winning
It just requires competent teammates lol
lunar falcon
Its LB is really great
noble swan
GNB doesnt have CC either XD
silk rune
You play BRD as a support type class lol
lunar falcon
Yeah
stark grove
idk, all I know is I what shooting a lancer and it was doing like 2% of their health
amber escarp
Are you shooting into guard
lunar falcon
LB gives 5% party damage up and slowly gains LB
stark grove
Are you shooting into guard
There's so much shit going on I can't tell
amber escarp
Then you’re probably doing that and any job you pick would seem weak in that scenario lol
stark grove
I got dove like all hell as soon as the match started and then it didn't really get any better
weary inlet
Honestly the one job I really see 0 use for compared to the others in it's class is PLD
amber escarp
Yeah positioning is going to be hard for folks to grasp
Yeah pld has a lot of single target stun. But I can just war and aoe everyone
silk rune
Practice and learning from mistakes is important
stark grove
Yeah positioning is going to be hard for folks to grasp
I was behind everyone in my team, two DPS closed gap on me and I got deleted lmao
amber escarp
And since it’s new everyone just stands together / takes ten years to purify lol
weary inlet
PLD also does fuck all for damage
lunar falcon
BRD is very much a support class in PvP
silk rune
weary inlet
PLD is just kinda whacking a pool noodle against them
silk rune
Here, a Rhia guide
weary inlet
With how everything seems to go so for, I hope NIN will get its hp cut down pretty far
noble swan
Yeah why does it oneshot a tank?
formal hill
HOLY SHIT THIS IS LIT
amber escarp
A lot of new PvP gameplay comes down to awareness and noticing buffs / debuffs and keeping track of cooldowns
scenic belfry
There counter puts a debuff on if you hit them and it makes there lb ine shot
lunar falcon
Doesn't matter who you are or if you have guard up, LB will OHKO you if the conditions are right
A few LBs have insta kill conditions
noble swan
Ridiculous
weary inlet
The thing is though
silk rune
Gotta watch for when SAM uses Chiten
lunar falcon
Like Ninjas will instant kill you if you're under 50% hp
silk rune
Know your enemy
weary inlet
Just dont take damage 
silk rune
You can't act like it's impossible to be above 50% lol
exotic kayak
DRG has a 50% Damage debuff to all nearby enemies 
scenic belfry
And the reduced damage is only to them
exotic kayak
When I remembered to use it, I went from, "Why are they killing me so fast?" to. "You can't kill me that easily!"
amber escarp
If nin has lb heal up and focus them down lol
It’s just like any PvP game
Awareness and counter play is important
lunar falcon
DRG has disgustingly high damage
amber escarp
Unga bunga might be fun but knowledgeable is win condition
lunar falcon
Its so scary
sudden crest
Does instant portrait just not work at all
amber escarp
I’m more scared of all the cc has than their lb
lunar falcon
Yeah DRG's LB is spook
exotic kayak
RDM has an AOE Silence/Bind, which is pretty scary.
formal hill
do u get 10 capped tomes regardless of win?
lunar falcon
Does instant portrait just not work at all
Assign it to your gearset
sudden crest
Already done
lunar falcon
Also pro tip
On the whirlwind map, Guard prevents you from being thrown into the air
amber escarp
Funny enough if people read the in game guide it says that lol
fringe tiger
RDM has an AOE Silence/Bind, which is pretty scary.
once, every 20 seconds
not as good as it used to be
lol
amber escarp
You can’t really compare old kit to now
amber escarp
CC is a lot more team figjt focused. You’ll have it up for every big team fight
Honestly multiple times per team fight
stark grove
WAR LB is pretty tough to aim actually
sudden crest
kinda sad you can't go in casual with a premade, has to be solo q only
exotic kayak
As expected from cone AOEs.
stark grove
And here I was, whining about overpower not being a cone anymore
Well, here's my cone
weary inlet
I wonder why so many SAMs just refuse to use their LBs
formal hill
tbh i have LB bound to something else and had to re-apply the PvP LB to it
maybe they didnt do that?
weary inlet
Is it a thing of wanting the perfect window too badly
formal hill
possibly
for GNB's LB, since it's only a 4s channel, does it behave like MCH flamethrower then?
fringe tiger
k
idk what's happened to pvp
but these random 1-shots
are fucking stupid lmao
What they've done to RDM is a fucking travesty lol
amber escarp
There aren’t a lot of random one shots though. Generally you know it’s coming and can play around it
stark grove
eyyyyy won my first match !
amber escarp
Only exception is mch but that’s soooooo low of a proc
formal hill
im somehow 3 wins 1 loss unranked
stark grove
Most damage dealt as WAR, poggies!
amber escarp
That said PvP isn’t for everyone so it’s fine to not want to play
formal hill
but i cant tell whats going on LOL
amber escarp
Warrior is so satisfying
stark grove
It's real fucking cool
fringe tiger
There aren’t a lot of random one shots though. Generally you know it’s coming an...
How do you know something is coming when this game is terrible at hsowing telegraphs lmao
stark grove
You feel pretty naked when you can just spam the 123 but other than that
fringe tiger
I had a dragoon disappear in the middle of a zerg
we all thought he was dead
Nope
he landed right on us again
like???
formal hill
pvp require su to read other kits
stark grove
pulling people off the payload so it can reach the endgoal is very very funny
scenic belfry
You can see there limit gauge
amber escarp
You see their hp bar on your screen
amber escarp
You see lb gauge you see every bit of info. If you’re not used to it and it’s overload that’s fine
But yeah part of PvP is learning others kits
lunar falcon
At the very least, learn every job's LB
Especially DPS as thats where the instant kills come from
fathom seal
anyone tried DRK yet? How is it in the new pvp?
lunar falcon
Annoying to fight against 
formal hill
would yall find it annoying if someone used the attack target macro a lot
weary inlet
MCH's proc rate of it seems so low that it almost seems bad to use it on chainsaw instead of the others
lunar falcon
Trying to move the point and a DRK is just sitting them soaking damage
formal hill
i like it for focusing, but could see if ppl get annoyed by it
amber escarp
It’s fast paced mode so I see it being used a good amount
weary inlet
Also, which is it? 3% or 5%/
may try pvp then with drk
lunar falcon
Tanks are really good at denying progress
amber escarp
Yeah even losing you still have the ability to feel strong and make a play
silk rune
I think people don't realize that they can use it now
sudden crest
thats their fault for not learning how to read their skills
silk rune
stark grove
Overtime is settle when one team has full possession of the crystal, yes ?
formal hill
the amount of coordination i see in some groups is actually insane lol
silk rune
Wait really? Lol
stark grove
I am so FUCKING good ?
amber escarp
Also how do you change the character plates for the pvp?
Make a portrait , right click, set as instant I believe
ruby osprey
Make a portrait , right click, set as instant I believe
Ty
stark grove
CC is honestly so goddamn fun
lunar falcon
Also make sure to apply it to the gearset you're going in as
formal hill
not having 1 healer is rough
stark grove
And the matches are so fast too, it's such a non-commitment
lunar falcon
I've never really felt disadvantaged from not having a healer
formal hill
the 3 matches ive had with 0 healer, my entire team just pops and cant focus even with calls
eh it's still new, but im noticing that a lot
frozen parrot
I felt ACH main heal is not that strong,
Now ACH other ability that can turn into a massive AoE is great
amber escarp
What’s ach?
lunar falcon
I think they mean SCH
amber escarp
Ohhh
lunar falcon
Since ACH is Arcanist
Oh wait no
Thats ARC
They mean BRD I think
Fuck idk
Ok yeah its Arcanist
stark grove
Using WAR LB be like
silk rune
Lolol
stark grove
Still don't know if I should fire LB asap or use it when someone's actually guarding
formal hill
dpeends on the LB
stark grove
dpeends on the LB
WAR's
honest trellis
I have never seen the Wolf den so crowded
fading timber
Yeah it was a party when I got on earlier
Helps that you literally have to relearn everything, but not much to relearn
honest trellis
I really like the UMPH MCH skills have.
stark grove
Oh my god using war LB on two tanks and shredding them with feel cleave feels so FUCKING GOOD
Overtime, they're pushing, Primal Scream into 4 people, and everyone gets shredded
This shit is so so good
Is there a difference between casual CC and ranked CC ? Does your rank give you anything besides portrait things ?
exotic kayak
Is there a difference between casual CC and ranked CC ? Does your rank give you ...
Access to tier rewards and rankings, including the exclusive PvP set.
I also believe you can earn Trophy Crystals from ranking up.
Which you can turn in for special glam versions of old AF gear.
silk rune
Mounts
exotic kayak
30 wins gets you the flying horse mount.
stark grove
fair enough
sudden crest
wait can we only have one pvp portrait? or does it allow us to have multiple
exotic kayak
wait can we only have one pvp portrait? or does it allow us to have multiple
You can make multiple and lock them to your gearsets.
exotic kayak
I believe so.
Haven't tested it myself since I've been sticking to Dragoon (which is a blast).
sudden crest
I would check but i'm leveling whm via my pvp spam lmfao
fiery wing
Is `purify` baseline?
yes every job has purify
sudden crest
no
its 495k per win
235k for a loss
are the maps in rotation or something?
I've been getting fire for hours now
stark grove
is pvp good xp?
FL roulette is good, FL is OK, CC is balls
full drum
Any rough estimations on how many matches needed to get the milestone armor ?
sudden crest
idk because it scales from 2k per level to 3k
why do I keep getting people who outright REFUSE to use recup at all
or their LBs
sudden crest
I think maps are in some sort of rotation
silk rune
One of the PvP regs said maps rotate every 90m
sudden crest
ah okay
sudden crest
god I wish we could go in as premades for this mode, its awful doing solo
sudden crest
it could just pair people with similar party structures
It feels like you need more then just autochat communication to get things across to people
modest oak
I would rather wait to get paired with party vs party then deal with these people
silk rune
Well, at that point you'd be spending hours waiting for "similar parties" to happen
sudden crest
like "hold LB" or "Use LB (x player)"
As beaver said, i'd rather wait then have to deal with people who chose not to use any of their skills
vast crag
so vague, it's not that simple
exotic kayak
FL roulette is good, FL is OK, CC is balls
Well, it's not godawful. It gives you as much EXP as a FATE given the amount of time spent on average.
stark grove
Good point
exotic kayak
It's not the fastest way to level but you could do worse.
stark grove
But also you gotta queue in with the job you want to play
Which isn't that case with FL
Which was one of the big draw of levelling with PvP
exotic kayak
Good point.
sudden crest
Does pvp teams still exist or are they deprecated
silk rune
Teams still exist, they added some customization options with crests in this patch
This could indicate that they want to bring teams back in the future
They just don't have an actual application to PvP for now
cedar terrace
Bow before the green dps
sudden crest
whm just carries games but if you get 4 idiots who refuse to use recup or LB its practically impossible to carry
stark grove
wuh, why are you spamming it then
I spam it because it's fucking fun
fiery wing
that's undeniable but not what I was wondering
formal hill
kinda bummed u can only junction opponents on GNB
silk rune
Who else you supposed to junction lol
formal hill
sometimes i just wanna junction a tank when they ahve no tank lol
allies too i guess
stark grove
How does the LB meter fill up anyway ? Damage done, time, time in combat, what's going on there
silk rune
silk rune
allies too i guess
Lol if you couldn't do that in PvE...
honest trellis
So, what are the top tiers for CC?
honest trellis
Everyone can heal themselves tho
stark grove
So, what are the top tiers for CC?
Game's been out for 11h, give it a rest
We don't have a meta
Just play the game
stark grove
I went in wanting to try every job but WAR's just so excessively fun
Press LB, collect serotonin on every subsequent button press
honest trellis
I didn't really have a whole lotta fun with War myself.
Not exactly sure why, just felt very squish
stark grove
Did you try using Bloodwhetting
honest trellis
Yea, didn't feel like it did a whole lot
I think the problem is I only played like three games that ended FAST so I didn't really learn anything
stark grove
Yeah if you don't save orogeny or Primal Rend for your BW window you're kinda dry
formal hill
dang GNB LB gets interrupted all the time
stark grove
Haven't even tried GNB yet 😭
formal hill
it's actually rough lol
i literally get interrupted like 1s into my LB
and it's just...gone
formal hill
GNB damage is juiced, but your LB kinda sucks unless u time it after a cleanse
also, whaat determines if u get the speed boost at the start or on respawn?
stark grove
So is paladin and tank just bad or something?
Can't stop winning with WAR
Just had to learn to not dive 1v5, only 1v3
modest oak
Yeah It feels like paladin and dark knight damage is garbage
So I can't do anything since my dps aren't doing any damage either
modest oak
I'm gonna try dragoon
stark grove
And then it's bonk city
sudden crest
mnk seems to be good at harassing, not good at killing
formal hill
mnk seems more for guard breaking
stark grove
It does have stun
Oh so THAT'S how I got chain stunned that one time
drowsy ore
is there a mininmum lvl for entry for crystalineconflict
ive some..jobs to lvl lol
formal hill
is there a mininmum lvl for entry for crystalineconflict
ive some..jobs to lvl l...
just level 30
amber escarp
also, whaat determines if u get the speed boost at the start or on respawn?
It’s only on the basic no gimmicks map
Well. The speed boost is the gimmick
amber escarp
WAR dps is pretty bad too
War top tier ngl
Aoe stun big heals. Every just lines you well to rotate cds lol
rigid acorn
I really like GNB
sudden crest
formal hill
i need to learn how to WAR
sudden crest
i hate this
formal hill
GNB has 0 cc, which is rough
stark grove
Yeah everything's good about WAR except the regular dps
formal hill
also, WAR chain is poggers for focusing
rigid acorn
True but i still enjoy it, the junction mechanic is fun
GNB basically just has aetherial mimicry
formal hill
yea the GNB dps is pog
but it feels super squishy, specially if u cant get a tank junction at all
rigid acorn
Yeah i mainly use tank junction
formal hill
which ive had more often than not
so many games are like...4 dps 1 healer, or 3 dps 2 healer
drowsy ore
cuz people like playing dps
stark grove
also, WAR chain is poggers for focusing
I love just running to the middle at the start of the game and pulling some rando DPS just to impose dominance
And then get chain stunned and massacred lmao
formal hill
also ppl cant really seem to focus healers when i play GNB
rigid acorn
But healer junction can work decently well too, sometimes i match our healer in terms of healing done with healer junction
sudden crest
I'm literally trying not to heal much at all in pvp as whm yet somehow i'm healing a lot more then anyone else lmfao
formal hill
could be your self heals with pots that some ppl dont know to use at all
sudden crest
oh 100% as a whm I get focused down first in a lot of fights
sudden crest
pelase use recup im begging
rigid acorn
I always try to burst down the healers but no one else seems to care
sudden crest
the only healer you should 100% burst down is astro
astro is a threat
sage can be a threat but it depends really
rigid acorn
I wouldn't know, i don't play them, i just kill them
sudden crest
wait i think i found a bug
i have to replciate it
OH GOD
WHM HAS A BUG
Cure 2 infinite bug: cast cure 2, start casting a second one but interrupt it immediately
you get refunded both casts
rigid acorn
Well thats a weird way to fix the mp economy
stark grove
If you see me in a match and you’re on the enemy team come wave
Not even captain 
formal hill
If you see me in a match and you’re on the enemy team come wave
how are u finding GNB
sudden crest
while exploiting this bug I find that somehow I did more damage then my party 
it is 100% not worth doing this bug at all it actually makes things worse but its funny
amber escarp
Healers shit out dmg now lol
formal hill
WAR feels rough until your first LB unless your team is good
versed lily
do u guys feel like you have much sway over your games, to me kind of feels like whoever gets the better 5 man stomps
not so mucb individual play
stark grove
I do yeah
amber escarp
Yes and no
stark grove
WAR LBing into 5 people is game winning
versed lily
like if the team is good and were doing well im top dmg, if were doing bad its real bad
amber escarp
You need a certain level of help from your team. But you can make plays too
And that’s going to be the difference in skill as ranks separate
sudden crest
You can easily win as ninja on the wind map
amber escarp
Who can make plays and who can only act off plays
sudden crest
so apaprently the whm lb stun comes first then the damage
because I was killed during mine and only the stun went through :)
versed lily
getting alot of afkers
rigid acorn
Huh, i didn't encounter any
versed lily
im still low rank cus i started this afternoon
so i assume its just ppl giving up and for faster marks
also how long is overtime
rigid acorn
Until one side wins
sudden crest
I'm gonna start queueing for ranked but I doubt the queues are gonna be instant like normal
rigid acorn
I'm not sure if im gonna bother with ranked, I'm not really into those usually
stark grove
I'm gonna start queueing for ranked but I doubt the queues are gonna be instant ...
Did two ranked at the end of the day, queue was p much instant
How long that's gonna last though is another thing
rigid acorn
Also i probably am not even that good anyway
sudden crest
I wanna go against decent players lol, not people not using recup and LB
also my ranked took 30s to pop, my casuals are instant
ranked players are the same I guess at lower rank
versed lily
i wish i had more healers leveled they seem really stronk
sudden crest
it has to be minimum 30 right?
sudden crest
astro is a really good healer and doesn't require any grinding for really
solar gull
im confused on the war lb
is it supposed to grant me inner release when i use it or when i hit people
cause i swear ive hit people and i havent gotten any fell cleave
formal hill
is it supposed to grant me inner release when i use it or when i hit people
p sure u cant use it unless you have a target anyway, so i wouldve thought it's guaranteed to hit 1?
solar gull
well isnt it a cast
so they can move out of the way
either way i havent gotten a single fell cleave out of like the 4 times ive used it
versed lily
from the tooltip it sounds like u should just get inner release
and if it hits anyone stop them guardin
fathom shard
Drg is ez mode for this pvp, just hitting one button while scrolling my phone and getting good results lol
What in the earf
sudden crest
is that why my drgs keep inting
distant ember
the pvp is so fun
i love
the ultimate abilities
as reaper i just press everything without having a single clue what is going on lmao
fathom shard
I can see this getting frustrating in the higher ranks lol
But it’s fun for now, the randomness and the wtf of it all
Prolly best to get rank ups now before everyone gets salty and quits
fringe tiger
yes every job has purify
Then isn't RDM scuffed 1v1 because we only have 1 cc...? People just purify our resolution
Really dumb
I guess resolution is 20sec cd and purify is 30sec?
formal hill
frontlines feels terrible as a tank now oh my god
severe heath
I think it's all about timing. Purify only lasts 5 seconds, but if they save their Purify for your Resolution then everybody else's CC can hit them for basically free
severe heath
frontlines feels terrible as a tank now oh my god
Ehhh
Kinda?
Stun spam as PLD is fun to do lol
But yeah your survivability has been lowered
formal hill
i actually feel so useless as a tank in frontline
sudden crest
Does the series/battle pass increase in exp every 5 levels?
amber escarp
Anyone know how much series xp frontline gives?
royal tangle
Is there any way to group queue? Even pvp team doesnt work
west bridge
amber escarp
the feedback is in the tool kits atm
can find them all on the site and it's a good idea to get a little familiar with all the jobs kits
fringe tiger
Does this ranked matchmaking get any better?
Seems one team gets stomped
This matchmaking is a fucking joke lol
rapid skiff
I literally don't understand the new PVP
Can't chat AND can't attack for some reason
like
I don't get it lol
am I dumb or
fringe tiger
They need a fucking quick-chat for "Stop fucking going in alone."
rapid skiff
I didn't touch my PVP hotbar
fringe tiger
I didn't touch my PVP hotbar
Go to wolves den
rapid skiff
oopsie
silk rune
They need a fucking quick-chat for "Stop fucking going in alone."
Literally "Pull Back and regroup!"
silk rune
Retreat
fringe tiger
doesn't do that
silk rune
The message it puts in chat is what I entered above
I watched a friend use it earlier
Use that
fringe tiger
looks like that works
i spammed the hell out of it
team actually regrouped
takes that much
rapid skiff
This feels like a moba mode and I hate moba
I'm really not a PVP kind of guy, what is the feast?
fringe tiger
If it's literally the only way to get people to regroup instead of throwing themselves 1 by 1
yoship can suck it if he bans me for "spamming"
silk rune
Breh, do you actually enjoy the mode? Because I'd hate for you to get in trouble for something that's not fun for you
It's a bad mindset
fringe tiger
It's either that or Frontlines and Frontlines is a disaster for RDM right now since I have no natural aoe and everyone dies in the blink of an eye unless you're a tank lol
rapid skiff
oh okay lmao
fringe tiger
Hopefulyl it gets better
fringe tiger
They need better visual feedback on your hotbars regarding what stance you're in as RDM.
Warrior stance dancing in vanilla vibes
but there isn't enough visual feedback in the hotbar
to remind me what stance I'm in
have to look at my char through all the special fx everyone is shooting
silk rune
They need better visual feedback on your hotbars regarding what stance you're in...
What I like to do is have a separate hotbar that has just White/Black Shift on it
Go into HUD settings and blow up that hotbar to a size where it's easily noticeable
And then just place it near the rest of my skills
rapid skiff
Is there a weekly limit to trophy crystals?
silk rune
what about the dog tags or whatever?
If you're talking about Wolf Marks, that's earned by simply PvPing
If you're talking about Wolf Collars, that's earned through Series Malmstones, bought with Trophy Crystals
rapid skiff
These things
fringe tiger
What I like to do is have a separate hotbar that has just White/Black Shift on i...
That sounds like a good idea and I'll have to look into that
I do like how much damage I do now:
I still feel that RDM needs a 2nd cc somewhere
1v1 people just purify your 1 cc
formal hill
It's either that or Frontlines and Frontlines is a disaster for RDM right now si...
honestly GNB doesnt even feel like a tank in frontlines
silk rune
1v1 people just purify your 1 cc
Well of course, you expect them to just sit there and take it? Lol
It's meant to help your party set up takedowns
formal hill
issue is theres such a big skill gap rn
it's a coinflip whether or not i get ppl who listen when i yoink someone as war
which i get. just rough lol
silk rune
Are you marking your yoinked targets
If you increase visibility on a target you just made vulnerable, chances are folks will swap to that target to burn them down with you
Like 85% of the time
formal hill
i do need to set that up i suppose
do u macro the marking target onto it?
or separate key
fringe tiger
Well of course, you expect them to just sit there and take it? Lol
I mean that's why RDM should have at least 2 cc
silk rune
You can macro, ye
fringe tiger
We're supposed to be duelists no?
formal hill
it's also a team mode
silk rune
RDM lore calls them duelists
That doesn't mean you run around 1v1ing folks in PvP lol
You're supposed to be helping the team take targets down and empowering them with your buffs as much as possible
fringe tiger
RDM lore calls them duelists
That doesn't mean you run around 1v1ing folks in P...
I sure as heck was in previous rdm design lol
I had so much shield
and self-heal
it was ridiculous
silk rune
I'm just saying dude, that's not how it works in PvP
fringe tiger
You're telling me no class should have 1v1 advantage?
silk rune
Adjust your mindset to help the team, not roleplay RDM lore
@formal hill this should work for your WAR:
/micon Blota pvpaction
/merror off
/mk attack1 <t>
/pvpac Blota <t>
/pvpac Blota <t>
/pvpac Blota <t>
/pvpac Blota <t>
It's the same macro I used for Weapon Throw when it was still an ability before 6.1
amber escarp
I sure as heck was in previous rdm design lol
Previous rdm was terrible lol
It was lowest of the low tier for all modes except rw. And even then it was just okay lol
It was just more playable there
austere dune
does anybody know if there's a way to queue for CC with a party or not? the only way I assume is through making a team, but I only have one or two other people at a time and would like to just be able to make a party and queue for it
fringe tiger
I feel like white-shift needs more support.
Sure, pin-point silence is nice to save a team mate but magical barrier and a single heal at the end of a long combo is kind of meh
formal hill
does anybody know if there's a way to queue for CC with a party or not? the only...
solo only
fringe tiger
There's no ranked group pvp?
austere dune
yeah that's really disappointing :(
silk rune
Wait for a future patch
formal hill
DRG still seems very OP
silk rune
The mode is fun tho, don't be afraid to join the fray on your own
amber escarp
I remember when feast first came out and parties could queue
And how dominant they were and people hated it
silk rune
Yeah I don't think people remember SE already did this once and it tanked heavily
dusty ginkgo
i keep hearing DRG is op but i cannot figure it out. and it's my main, even
very sad
(now mch on the other hand)
formal hill
DRG seems cracked with all the mobility
engage > combo > dash out > wyrmwind > dive in
it throws a lot of ppl off cuz youre all over the place
dusty ginkgo
i guess i just really need to relearn melee for fighting actual people
dusty ginkgo
lmao it's driving me crazy to hear my main get called op for once and not be able to capitalize on it
i gotta get some stupid memes in before we DO get nerfed
dusty ginkgo
what a time to be alive
formal hill
lmao it's driving me crazy to hear my main get called op for once and not be abl...
ive been chessing people with raiden thrust > geir > elusive > wyrm > high > nastrong chaotic spring
it chunks hard lol
dusty ginkgo
(takes notes.....)
fringe tiger
mobility is one thing but survivability and damage combined
dusty ginkgo
so i'm learning it all on the spot
dusty ginkgo
well i die instantly every skirmish but that's on me being bad lol
will update later after another 200 games or so
the speed of this game mode makes it so addicting
fringe tiger
silence seems to throw off all the bad tanks who just zerg in with invul
they end up not having invul going in
and freak out and die lol
jfc fuck dragoon
modest oak
Whats up with me getting paired with bronze when im silver?
I literally have two people on me permanently but somehow my team can't win the objective?
granite raven
anyone able to get their portrait to show up in PvP? getting an error with my instant portrait settings "Gear depicted in instant portrait inconsistent with current gear set configuration"
solar gull
is it just me or do nins seem op
amber escarp
man
you're calling everything op lol
gotta kinda figure out how to counter things
and figure out what your job is best at
fringe tiger
Insane damage
amber escarp
yeah and i did that on war
fringe tiger
i'm rdm
amber escarp
and ive seen a lot of other jobs do that lol
what im saying is it might be a good idea to stop calling everythingop and start thinking critically
"how can i counter this really strong ability"
formal hill
how do u counter a DRG besides coordinated focus? wondering how i could die as one rn
also, a lot of teams once they wipe just run in 1 by 1 till the game ends instead of waiting for a RG...
fringe tiger
pretty much
I haven't gotten matched against/with anyone above silver
I wonder if Silver+ has hard cut-off point for matchmaking to lower brackets?
or I'm just really unlucky
wow
dude
Fuck this monk asshole
all he does is stun and just limit break, and you can't break out of the stun?
you literally can't beat him 1v1
formal hill
how do u get ppl to regroup once u get clean aced
modest oak
Yeah they only thing OP is getting dps that can't do rotations
Only games I have lost so far is when im the only person killing anything on the crystal
formal hill
my last couple of losses were all "we were winning, then somehow we got clean aced, and fed"
getting ppl to regroup' with the predetermined messages is impossible lol
modest oak
I just wish I could at least duo with one person instead of just solo
I usually stay behind if it's two or less still alive fighting
3 or more I jump back in
But I know what you mean
fringe tiger
How do I get trophy crystal. Only at the end of the season or w/e?
zenkitsu 51000 damage
K, stupid
formal hill
think u gotta claim it sequentially
and then once youve capped, every time you level, u just get 1k crystals i imagine
modest oak
How do you get to that screen?
lucid nest
So is every level on the season pass 3000?
spiral brook
Looks like it goes up gradually
First few levels wanted 2k experience
And that picture has the next level at 4k
severe heath
I absolutely hate that they restricted chat in Crystalline Conflict. It doesn't curb toxicity AT ALL, literally all it does is make you spam Retreat hopelessly as your teammates has no idea what you actually mean
atomic tulip
what's the point of pvp rank? the one with the number
severe heath
This is a quick gamemode in the same vein as a MOBA where communication is crucial, it's just so weird they restricted communication this much
fringe tiger
more pain
fringe tiger
This is a quick gamemode in the same vein as a MOBA where communication is cruci...
They must be super scared of toxicity
severe heath
what's the point of pvp rank? the one with the number
AFAIK it's more to determine skill and matchmaking. In terms of progression of Trophies and Wolf Marks, doesn't mean much
severe heath
They must be super scared of toxicity
Maybe? That's like the only reason I can think of to disable chat like this given MOBA's general reputation
modest oak
Wouldn't have to worry about toxicity if they actually had decent matchmaking
Matches feel one sided
severe heath
Does "Retreat!" mean "Were getting pinched" or "God damn it Dragoon stop overextending and feeding the enemy easy kills"
severe heath
Wouldn't have to worry about toxicity if they actually had decent matchmaking
So much this. My last match was 4 silver 2's and 1 No-Rank vs full team of Bronze 1's. There's four ranks worth of difference between Bronze 1 and Silver 2.
formal hill
usulaly when i say retreat i mean stop feeding 1 by 1
severe heath
See you'd think that's what retreat means
atomic tulip
AFAIK it's more to determine skill and matchmaking. In terms of progression of T...
this affects match making?
severe heath
Oh that?
atomic tulip
ye
atomic tulip
severe heath
It literally does nothing. It used to have rewards and such attached to it, but in ShB it got tossed I believe
atomic tulip
ah i see thanks
fringe tiger
pvp rank just shows how masochistic you are
atomic tulip
im getting too addicted to pvp gotta do my 6.1 msq xD
fringe tiger
You enjoy pain
atomic tulip
it's fun :>
atomic tulip
friendship ended with league of legends crystaline conflict is my new best friend
atomic tulip
You think you're addicted to PVP? Me PVP rank is 30 and I'm mid-ShB
i only started pvp yesterday :<
severe heath
lol
atomic tulip
or post patch
severe heath
Fiar
severe heath
At the very least one thing I can say is Crystalline Conflict does not record losses
So you feel less like crap after your team gets wiped and hopefully, maybe, you can forget you lost ever
atomic tulip
i actually want to see my total amount of games tho
severe heath
Fair
atomic tulip
so i can roughly gauge how many times you'll have to play for the bp rewards
severe heath
Also De-Ranking when you lose a game when you're Bronze 1 is kinda harsh tbh
modest oak
I'm stuck between the last star of silver 3
I lose one then win one
I just want the 2
atomic tulip
im still bronze 3 
i went into rank and saw people playing rank when they go in one by one i had to lay down
been just playing casual matches
severe heath
Legit PVP feels more like playing the lottery than skill-based
Are you gonna get a team that wipes or gets wiped? Who knows!
I notice the only times my team really wins is when we're actually grouped up and I pop my Tank LB so the team can afford to be reckless.
I wonder if there's a connection 🤔
fringe tiger
Legit PVP feels more like playing the lottery than skill-based
This
atomic tulip
i legit have better teammates in casual than rank 
way less reliant on having healer now but more reliance on team skill
unique acorn
Sounds like league is legends lol the good ol teammate coin flip
atomic tulip
Sounds like league is legends lol the good ol teammate coin flip
yea but it's 5mins league instead of 20-40mins of hell
unique acorn
Truue
severe heath
Dead ass I have played 9 games so far, 6 wins 3 losses and I do not feel like I earned any wins at all because it was never "close". Same with the 3 losses, it was pure wipe
atomic tulip
I had a game where the crystal was at my base and it went overtime and my team somehow got injected steroids and we pushed that thing all the way to the opponent team
unique acorn
Playing MCH and having a melee dive you feels awful lol you just die or hope a teammate can kill before you get killed
severe heath
Whenever I see a dragoon do their LB, all I hear is overwatch "Meteor Strike" flashbacks and then spam my own Tank LB which luckily basically nulls he Dragoon LB
glossy cape
Shotgun and analysis air anchor 
severe heath
I had a game where the crystal was at my base and it went overtime and my team s...
That sounds like an EPIC game
atomic tulip
ive been only using smn and it's been fun
severe heath
I wish I had moments like that
atomic tulip
titan clap them cheeks and binds them
yea it was epic
im happy that so far i havent seen anyone just outright give up and afk
severe heath
Playing MCH and having a melee dive you feels awful lol you just die or hope a t...
This reminds me of one time where 2 melees were focusing on our Bard, I charged in and covered the bard and then stun locked the 2 melees. The bard spammed thank you in chat later lol
atomic tulip
which is nice
severe heath
I do agree, I have not seen anyone outright AFK yet
Then again purposefully AFK-ing in a PVP match in the new guidelines is "Gamemaster will drag you into prison" worthy
atomic tulip
oo
glossy cape
I do agree, I have not seen anyone outright AFK yet
short and enjoyable game mode
atomic tulip
time to report some frontline teammates then hehe
severe heath
LOL
atomic tulip
frontline got more fun too
unique acorn
This reminds me of one time where 2 melees were focusing on our Bard, I charged ...
I've had a couple people leave if we getting hard stomped but even if they stayed nothing would have changed lol
atomic tulip
playing smn makes me feel like an assassin with ifrit dash
unique acorn
Oops wrong reply
severe heath
Yeah if it's a hard loss, some people likes to drop really fast
glossy cape
waiting for a clip of a NIN going batshit insane on a frontline team with their execute
or a SAM wiping out everyone with a chiten lb 
severe heath
I really wanna try NIN, they seem so powerful now
glossy cape
pantheon dragoon
severe heath
Unironically, Paladin LB in Crystalline Conflict is REALLY strong. Everybody gets damage reduction, you're invulnerable, AND you get the Confetitor Combo that does 50% more damage each time you use it on the same target?
unique acorn
I managed to get the 5% proc on MCH and man.. the dopamine hit is amazing
severe heath
Oh that 5% on MCH is EVIL
fringe tiger
What's 5%?
unique acorn
Oneshot
severe heath
MCH has a 5% to proc to instant one shot any target
unique acorn
Lmao
severe heath
No ifs no buts, it's literally "lol you dead"
severe heath
I would have max health, shield, AND guard up and then BAM
fringe tiger
Who the hell balanced these numbers
unique acorn
I mean to be fair I only hit the 5% once in like 14 games lol
fringe tiger
lmao
glossy cape
no misinfo 
severe heath
The only way I can really counter one shot attacks is by stun locking the DPSes, which granted is just pure annoying
atomic tulip
Who the hell balanced these numbers
if everything is op it will balance it self
unique acorn
Oh.. that just makes the dopamine hit even stronger
fringe tiger
if everything is op it will balance it self
Me the caster who's LB does 1/4th of melee lol
atomic tulip
:<
unique acorn
It's beautiful
atomic tulip
blm gets to turn enemies into dolls tho which is annoying af since you cant clense
glossy cape
>Me the caster who's LB does 1/4th of melee lol
COUGH COUGH, A COUGH COUGH COUGH
6 insta flares