You get the added benefit of RPR being pretty destructive in PVP provided you learn the rotations of course
#archived-player-vs-player
silk rune
uneven jay
Where can I find more information on rotations for PvP?
I'm a new player going up through the MSQ now, level 50. When I join a frontline, I have all these abilities that I have no idea how to use.
amber escarp
Where can I find more information on rotations for PvP?
There's no rotation in PvP, it's all about burst and timing CC.
If you look in the pins you'll see a link to beginners guides to get you started
You should also go to the wolves den to setup your bar, read your abilities and hit a dummy
uneven jay
Thanks
amber escarp
If anyone is doing feast practice let me know
Servers are messed up and the few that get in are doing MSQ mostly.
That being said if you're willing to put in the effort and plan (that is, pick a time and day then advertise it) then Revival Crystal staff can help
Aether has gotten training to pop a few times already despite the login issues
raven shoal
How do I get more kills in frontline as a DRG?
amber escarp
How do I get more kills in frontline as a DRG?
Hard to answer without more detail. Learning your burst and practicing on a dummy at the Wolves Den is a good start. Of course also reading your abilities. Look in pins for a link to guides, one going over burst.
Beyond that it comes down to spacing. Learn your engage distance and keep that in mind when playing. Spam ranged when not safe. Remember elusive breaks binds including 
Blood bath is insane with all the aoe drg has.
raven shoal
Hard to answer without more detail. Learning your burst and practicing on a dumm...
What is DRG's burst combo? It seems the burst guide is general
amber escarp
It isn't general. It has a specific DRG burst in it
Make sure you scroll down or use the section to the right to click on specific jobs. While there I suggest looking at all jobs. PvP isnt mechanically intense so knowledge is how you outplay opponents
wooden grove
The "very cute" picture guides from Revival are one reason why I got into PvP tbh, so easy to understand
silk rune
Rhia works very hard on them!
amber escarp
Nice. Yeah we try to fit the different tastes of people
wooden grove
Will Rhia be doing them for Sage and Reaper? They're so cute!!
It's the first link I share to anyone interested in PvP because they're so cute and comprehensible
silk rune
She's working on crowdsourcing information from folks who are using them rn
fading timber
Thing Iβve done so far is
- Get blood of the dragon up
- Mirage dive 2x
- Geirskogul
- High jump
- Mirage dive 2x (may need to wait a bit more for CD
- Nastrond (if you still have life)
Spineshatter and stardiver as gap closers or dps as needed
amber escarp
tbh if you just mash buttons on drg you're doing okay. some high level players use the one button drg and perform better than most players in a match
one button drg is literally a button that goes down every drg ability and hits whatever is off cooldown
cerulean cloak
Ah that is why i can see a lot of drg jumping around in fl. As monk i envy drg because of their ability to engage and disengage.
amber escarp
Yeah drg is just so far ahead other melee it's silly. That being said all melee are strong, drg is just stronger (and easier) to play
Having a get out of jail free card with elusive jump and the insane healing with the natural aoe from burst synergizing with bloodbath and fetter. It's silly lol
sick leaf
Hey guys, new player here. I did play through ARR but planning to come back. Any recommendations on a job that is mobile and a caster? Is it still red mage?
amber escarp
All casters are mobile in PvP. Smn the most mobile though
BLM is mobile too but requires using aetherial manipulation which some might find hard to do
obsidian eagle
Hi. Enjoying frontline quite a bit as a daily and I'm wondering if there's been any more nuanced discussion on the mode. Have a few questions to kick it off, but interested in people's ideas in general.
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What are some good strategies to retreat from a bad position (too close to enemy home points or being pinched by both enemy alliances) without being chased down and losing too many players?
The first and foremost would be to stay grouped and on foot and move at the pace of your casters and your rearguard. The only other thing that comes to mind would be call for an early retreat before the enemy alliance can regroup and start chasing you down heavily. Hoping for other tips to make them less painful. -
What are the stand-out op classes for each role?
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Just played a round of onsal hakair a moment ago: it feels much too fast paced to give effective directions in time due to how you want to preemptively reach Ovos and defend them; particularly at the start when more Ovos are spawning. What are people's thoughts on this map?
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How do people attack a densely defended choke point? Such as the bridges to the middle point in Onsal Hakair.
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What are some good situations to split a few off for secondary objectives?
- What are the specific spawn timers for various objectives on each of the maps? Borderland Ruins, Seal Rock, Fields of Glory, and Onsal Hakair?
desert bane
Hi. Enjoying frontline quite a bit as a daily and I'm wondering if there's been ...
Personally like samurai just cause I can get BH5 pretty fast in frontlines with it
desert bane
Hi. Enjoying frontline quite a bit as a daily and I'm wondering if there's been ...
For #1 I just crash into the other group
obsidian eagle
bruh π
humble kiln
Hi. Enjoying frontline quite a bit as a daily and I'm wondering if there's been ...
Try the pvp-centric discords for specific questions, like PvPaissa or PvPRevival. Revival specifically has FL-specific channel thats pretty active and has lots of experienced players. discord.gg/pvprevival
obsidian eagle
ty. ill try posting there
amber escarp
vernal wing
what's easier to join a game (dps), frontlines or feast?
carmine plank
frontlines has no role requirements and feast is super dead as crystal conflict will be replacing it in 6.1. queue up for frontlines.
vernal wing
thx
vernal wing
do u lose durability from pvp matches?
silk rune
No
PvP takes no consideration into any stats or bonuses your gear gives you, you could queue in nekkid and it probably won't matter
fading timber
PvP takes no consideration into any stats or bonuses your gear gives you, you co...
Someone should organize this as a joke
fading timber
I was thinking FL cause 60 or so nude people fighting with wooden sticks is funnier
If itβs possible
amber escarp
It's hard to do themed events for Frontline since many join without knowledge of the event. Even shouting about it during, many ignore it and some outright get upset
Besides it's easier to see glams in rival wings since it's less players. It also needs more love.
Frontline gets queue syncs since higher tier play is impossible to get in Frontline without one.
Maybe a queue sync can be themed too in the future
Problem with that is that queue syncs aim for experienced players. So by doing that we lock out a good portion of players
That being said. Feel free to use the LFG section in revival and advertise it as a naked premade
Post screenshots to Twitter and tag us. Also post in the discord 
Twitter
fading timber
If only I was a famous streamer... wait no having an entourage follow me everywhere sounds annoying
delicate creek
fo real
wooden grove
Oh my, what a cute sticker π
So cuuute
This was shared in the PvP Revival Discord today. If any of you are interested in Feast queue pops, this will be your best bet
real cloakBOT
wooden grove
π poggers
fading timber
I am.... on Primal 
silk rune
wanton plank
I wish they had more glamours for PvP
silk rune
There one you can get through achievements and another through ranked PvP, other than that, looking forward to what they have in store for 6.0
vernal quarry
is there a pvp /micon ?
(it's /micon "action" pvpaction
for anyone that searches)
amber escarp
vast crag
highest heal I've seen so far 1.6m
silk rune
Not bad
I was almost concerned that those were the only 2 healers healing anything tho, until I noticed you filtered the GCs lol
vast crag
eh? I just sort the hp restored, maybe there's a gc filter by default
silk rune
Ye I just see Flames names there
vast crag
oh wait what, so It wasn't out of all GC?
just flame? dammit
I must've misclicked something
amber escarp
real cloakBOT
regal kettleBOT
vernal quarry
so I don't participate in any sort of pvp in any capacity.
What do you say when your team played or threw so horribly and yet everyone still says "gg" when clearly it was not good in any sense.
silk rune
So, I'll be honest
If Frontlines didn't get the roulette it did, it would be a semi dead mode. For those of us who have been playing since its inception, being able to see queues regularly is quite a relief because we enjoy the mode, in spite of how terrible the matchmaking tends to be.
Is there room for people to improve? Absolutely. Can we expect that to happen? Not really, since most folks treat PvP as another source of EXP and not a piece of content to do better, like PvE modes. It helps to have a positive outlook, because at the end of the day, the queues might not be there to begin with in the first place. So throwing "gg" despite terrible play is just a way to keep themselves positive.
Of course, you could just not say anything at all, I tend not to. Most of the time, if the team is just superbad, I'll just go for kill streaks to keep it interesting for myself.
vernal quarry
I enjoy FL, HP healed number go brrrrr
working together as a group and getting the objectives to actual purpose, benefit and progress fun too.
silk rune
Yeah you can get some super high numbers with healing lol
If there was more incentive to play better, match quality would increase. We're hoping that changes once Crystal Conflict releases, since there's supposed to be some nifty rewards with it
amber escarp
I'm kinda of the opposite opinion. I liked when matches were more rare, but the quality was higher because people cared about improving.
I do agree and hope people finally start to put effort into improving. Not sure what SE could do to help make that happen.
As it stands, FL, RW and even feast are amazing modes...when players are of the same skill level.
Right now there are too many folks going in blind without having even setup their bar, much less reading their own abilities or other job abilities.
I hope SE can find a way to change that, but that mindset is common even in PvE here. How many boosted players are there that haven't even read their abilities?
That said I'm still hopeful that 6.1 will be good. The mode seems super simple, so much that even going in blind people will get it
Then they can dedicate their mental capacity to figuring out their buttons, which seem to be getting even more simplified in a way since you'll be in charge of your own healing
wooden grove
I've gotten into saying a quick positive reinforcement when I see the team do something good
Like "that was a great cap" or just a simple "great job" in alliance chat when we fought enemies back in a tough spot
I'm trying in these little ways to keep the space positive and encouraging ππ»π©
I've also gotten into defending good efforts especially if there's a particularly noisy complainer in alliance chat lmao
silk rune
Always one of those eh
wooden grove
Yeah lmao. Always someone being super salty about how things are going, or say "GG" after like two minutes
I called someone out for complaining about not doing objectives by asking why they just don't do callouts themselves. And they were like "because no one ever listens" so I said back "well, you didn't even try at all this match"
And then they stopped whining and started doing callouts
π€―
wooden grove
π yes
I'm used to dying in PvP so I built that up already lmao π but I know others are scaredy and haven't yet, so I gotta help make it a tad more positive so people come back ππ»
Maybe I should make a macro for when I see good efforts π€ so I don't have to type it every time lmao
fickle glacier
MCH is crazy lol. i usually play melee only but damn
regal kettleBOT
spring badger
Anybody got a pvp focused fc on Ultros I can join?
amber escarp
dont think many fcs exist that are solely pvp focused. discord communities and from there can get invited into linkshells is likely though
real cloakBOT
regal kettleBOT
regal kettleBOT
regal kettleBOT
Hello EU! We are back for the weekly Rival Wings. Check Schedule and be ready to attend π
@RW_Chaos @RW_Light
amber escarp
amber escarp
amber escarp
not to mention that ninja only died 9 times.just i shouldnt be doing nearly double damage on any other dps on my team as mch xd
silk rune
What's a potion
amber escarp
honestly i hope that by forcing everyone to heal themselves people will realize how important potions are lol
amber escarp
i got over 200k healing on my mch one game.
i swear one match one of the gcs main mission was to kill me.I gol chased around for oer a min by a warrior.then i had a samurai chase me across map.then i had 2 different darks dive and feed my gc just to try get on to me
just had a tank intentionally feed in frontline.did 0 damage died 12 times.they said in chat they dont care.they hate pvp just there for xp.can that be reported as griefing?
vast crag
yeah seems anti-social person just got into the game
just report at system desk, take a screenshot, copy chat etc
fickle glacier
just had a tank intentionally feed in frontline.did 0 damage died 12 times.they ...
i have seen a lots like that in pvp : | yikes
graceful tulip
whats first place exp vs roulette exp?
cuz roulette bonus is over 50% of a level
i got 2nd or 3rd uncertain if I have any pity bonus but its less than 10% of a level
humble kiln
looks like exp depends on level in addition to win/lose. higher % at lower levels. 1st place at lvl 64 gave me bit over 10%
fading timber
best one yet
Enough healing to make people chonk and dmg to make a dps blush
tbh having a party that sticks together helps a lot
fuck that's enough to make me blush, that's my normal dmg dealt in a frontline battle as a dps XD
vast crag
it depends on the level as well, afaik at lv 30, It should give you like 2/3 levels if you won first place
amber escarp
best one yet
Nice job dude
wooden grove
Have you guys considered crossposting the PvP Revival Crystal DC events to the Crystal DC Discord server?
I did one of them but there's too many now lol
amber escarp
i think that's meant to go into revival?
twin spruce
What should I do if I wanna grind marks?
formal hill
somehow was #10 on total dmg while managing to push objectives...the other top 20 dmg were all dps lol...alright
wooden grove
i think that's meant to go into revival?
Idk where to post that over there but I saw you here too so I posted it here π
amber escarp
What should I do if I wanna grind marks?
wdym? nothing special other than queue for pvp and do the roulette for the bonus
amber escarp
Idk where to post that over there but I saw you here too so I posted it here π
contact_staff but if there's a community you want us to work with just send it in contact_staff and we can explore that possibility
regal kettleBOT
Hello all you...
- Rival Wings fans
- Frontline fans
- The Feast fans
- Dueling fans
- people too shy to play PvP
this is a reminder that Revival is hosting Rival Wings matches again...THIS WEEKEND! Join us and check out our events tab to find your Data Center's day and time, then hit interested and you're set!
Need a refresher? Brand new? No worries! We have guides (https://www.akhmorning.com/pvp/) and mentors available to help you get started!
Oh, and be sure to check out the Rival Wings guide to see the cool mounts you can earn via Rival Wings only achievements π
real cloakBOT
Hello, friends! If you're on Aether and are interested in trying out The Feast, please give this a look! Be sure to do some basics before jumping in:
- Go to wolves den and setup your hotbar
- Read all your abilities (and other jobs would be a plus) since abilities are different from PvE
- Read the intro guide for The Feast
- Read the burst guide
Some key points about feast:
- Tanks stun on "axes" (read the guide to understand this, its a short read)
- Healers repose the enemy healer (or a enemy DPS/tank if needs to be used defensively)
- Melee do countdown (read the guide to understand this, it's a short read)
- Magical ranged DPS use Phantom Dart on burst
- Physical ranged should use silence offensively or defensively, it's important
Link to guides: https://www.akhmorning.com/pvp/
GLHF 
fleet nebula
fickle glacier
loool
amber escarp
idk what you want people to see 
lilac pasture
idk what you want people to see <:TiredCat:713854042480181361>
From what I can see, he's a tank with the most kills
And no deaths
amber escarp
i see
fair zenith
can't wait to see the endwalker pvp gear
silk rune
fading timber
Double teamed so hard its not even funny
fickle glacier
its just position problem, it can easily fix but most ppl just blindly rush in to kill the team in front of them
i have been in way too many teams like that. literally invite the enemies to sandwich them
amber escarp
join queue syncs once you'rea redy
completely different game. lots of good alts come that are good at coordinating. and players follow commander calls isntead of just unga bunga imhere for exp lol
regal kettleBOT
Hello, everyone!
Weekend of Rival Wings continues! Today the following data centers will be playing:
- Aether
- Crystal
- Primal
- Chaos
Tomorrow we also have more games for all North America data centers!
Chaos starts soon! If you haven't yet, please consider joining Revival to access our events section and stay up to date with all that's going on here!
regal kettleBOT
Hello again, everyone!
Reminder that queues are quite long, especially at the time of our Rival Wings runs. In order to ensure matches get going, and that you get to participate, please be sure to begin logging in as soon as you can!
Aether, Crystal and Primal are set to begin in a few hours!
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=925534425599578133
cursive radish
Is ti just me, or are frontline queues in the JP centre insanely long...
fickle glacier
have you set the language to all language instead of only english?
vast crag
!faq dflanguage
surreal tokenBOT
regal kettleBOT
Good morning to all the NA players!
Today is day 2 of Rival wings for Aether, Crystal and Primal. Be sure to log in a few hours in advance to make sure you're able to log in on time!
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=925534554700255242
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=925805372160221274
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=925869779519144006
New to Rival Wings? Need a refresher? Nervous about it? We have some easy to follow guides that are aimed at beginners! Feel free to give them a look over and ask our mentors in Revival any questions you may have π
torn vector
literially teams are just feeding now
like i enjoy some pvp daily but when you have a entire team intentionally just throwing it, it's not fun
amber escarp
it's probably best to focus on oneself. similar to any pvp game tbh be it dota lol overwatch apex etc
139k is a bit low. even with a bad team brd should be a lot higher than that. no offense meant by this
but it just means that you have a lot to work on as well
silk rune
If I know I can't win I'll just go for kills
amber escarp
im sure there were team fights where your dmg could have made the difference. maybe even better timed silence bind heavy or peloton
yeah just focus on topping the charts. wills win come, goodplayers will recognize you
right now to ppl that play pvp a lot you yourself are one of the folks youre complaining about. and again no offense meant by this
its just to show that everyone should focus on self improvement. if everyone did, matches would be a lot better
regal kettleBOT
Hello again, everyone! Rival Wings for Aether, Crystal and Primal will begin in a little over an hour! Be sure to queue at the start time.
Consider joining Revival to check out our guides and ask our mentors any questions you may have π
regal kettleBOT
Good Evening EU!
This weeks Rival Wings Event for Light DC!
real cloakBOT
Hello everyone!
If you're on Crystal and curious to give The Feast a try before it disappears, now's your chance: Crystal is hosting a Feast Training night tomorrow! We'll be joined by Feast players new and old for one more hurrah -- no prior Feast experience required.
Please be sure to have your PvP hotbars set before you queue via Duty Finder. If you would like assistance with this or background info on Feast, feel free to check out overview guides here:
https://www.akhmorning.com/pvp/
or better yet, step into our Revival server to ask mentors directly!
We look forward to seeing everyone tomorrow evening. Have fun, Crystal!
regal kettleBOT
Hello, everyone! We're bringing you all more Rival Wings this week! Please, heavily consider utilizing the guides we've made, as well as our mentors and other community members that are willing to help. Our goal now is to increase match quality, by helping players learn the basics
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=930089386371080193
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=929956579116212224
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=929954802144784404
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=930565060122804285
fading timber
What does a good win distribution in FL look like?
silk rune
if you're solo queueing, 30-40% would be a decent distribution imo
hidden bone
I'm probably missing it but what ability spends the faerie gauge for scholar in pvp?
I can't find anything that actually uses it
silk rune
Dissipation
it increases your healing and damage done by 25% for 10 seconds, and also adds 1 use to Lustrate and Indomitability
hidden bone
Dissipation
Thanks, found it.
cerulean cloak
How long before 6.1 drop?
amber escarp
nobody knows until se announces it
maiden owl
For shatter dmg to pcs = players?
amber escarp
Yeah
amber escarp
This isn't the LFG section, it's the PvP one. I think another channel is what you're looking for.
naive citrus
sorry about that
zealous harbor
glad ravineBOT
Hello everyone! Primal has our Onsal Q Sync event next weekend and with less than 2 weeks left, it's time to start formally advertising it! 
Never participated in a Q sync before? It's easy and simple! We queue under a separate language (typically "J" Japanese") and meet up at a designated location. In this case, it will be the Wolves Den Pier on Excalibur - my (Cherry's) home world. This is so we can coordinate when to queue up, when to allow breaks, and when to take group screenshots! If you have questions or need something clarified, feel free to DM us or ask us questions!
Get ready for sweaty, close games. I guarantee you'll never see normal Onsal queues the same every again. 
https://discord.gg/7h5psnznYu?event=927717409291382874
fading timber
Question about the event: What's the home world and why Japanese only on an NA server?
silk rune
it says to meet on Excalibur
also, Queue Sync is a way to force the queues to match only those players with the language settings set on the Duty Finder
so when everyone participating has just J set on the DF, it will match only those players to the best of its ability to do so
fading timber
Gotcha.... Now should I use bard/whm/drg...
silk rune
use whichever you're more comfortable with
amber escarp
brd or whm imo if you're new to queue syncs
silk rune
preferably your strongest
amber escarp
its not like regular matches where drg can jump in and get a bunch of abilities off safely
often times someone will mark, stun and then its fast burst. brd lets you play safe and get used to it. whm is good because pocketing good players is always helpful
fading timber
Whm I guess, tend to be better at forcing wins from sheer healing.
silk rune
just remember to set your settings back to regular after you're done participating, otherwise your other queues will get messed up lol
fading timber
XD
real cloakBOT
Hello, folks! Are you on Crystal and looking to get some Feast Training going? Feel free to join us later TODAY! Please consider checking out our guides on AkhMorning and chatting up with our members to get some basics before jumping in
real cloakBOT
Have an Aether character and interested in trying the feast? Come join Revival community members as we enjoy Feast Training!
regal kettleBOT
Hello , everyone! Weekly reminder that we have our Rival Wings games again tonight! Below you'll see the event for each Data Center with day/time shown. If you are on Android and don't see it, please consider logging on from your PC or joining the Discord server and clicking on the events tab.
Good luck, have fun! Don't forget that we have guides and mentors available to help, so don't be shy and join us even if you're new!
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=933060498608496681
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=932493055846658088
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=932640667920920577
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=933007544530665522
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=932493157155885086
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=932640815128395827
vast crag
When I finally see my heal reached 1m, a WHM just had 3.5m heal...
fading timber
And 350k dmg
lofty basin
Just need to keep yourself alive and you can reach way higher numbers. That said, WHM is a lot better than SCH
fading timber
That is... a lot of dmg for a whm
cinder solstice
Dang, that is a lot. He's like that one Gundam healer meme
regal kettleBOT
Hello, folks! Day 2 of Rival Wings for Aether and Primal starts soon. Be sure to give yourself ample time to log in and jump into queue. If you haven't already, please consider joining Revival and read our guides. We also have mentors available to help
real cloakBOT
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regal kettleBOT
Hi everyone! Just a reminder that Revival hosts weekly Rival Wings matches on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday! Below you'll see the events for each DC, along with their according time/date. If you're on Android and only see one link, please consider logging in from PC or joining the Revival server to view the events tab.
New to Rival Wings or PvP in general? We have mentors and a variety of guides to assist you! Don't be shy - join in on the fun!
See you out on the field everyone! β
https://discord.gg/QNNXq4AY?event=935240377315778631
https://discord.gg/QNNXq4AY?event=935019718912380988
https://discord.gg/QNNXq4AY?event=935203789525381221
https://discord.gg/QNNXq4AY?event=935147406725611591
https://discord.gg/QNNXq4AY?event=935141681374851173
glad ravineBOT
Interested in an Onsal Q Sync?! Primal's Q Sync for Onsal is TODAY! Come meet at the Wolves Den on Excalibur for instructions at the designated start time. Voice channels will also be provided in our Discord for those that want to go the extra mile for communication or just socializing with other PvPers. https://discord.gg/bzcDpd6y9t?event=927717409291382874
fading timber
Ok the queue sync was... confusing. Constantly getting instant AOEed to death
amber escarp
Yeah when it's all good players it's a lot different than normal games
mental gulch
I enjoy it, but I don't take it seriously.
At least frontline is, can't speak on any other mode.
pseudo hamlet
frontlines really is a party game
its fun when all teams are good
Rival wings is just perfect though
mental gulch
Is it more or less tryhard-y than Frontline
real cloakBOT
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amber escarp
Is it more or less tryhard-y than Frontline
It's 1 v1 so your actions weigh more heavily regarding the outcome
regal kettleBOT
Hey all! Here are this weeks Rival Wings events for all data centers. If you're on an Android device, the links may not load properly. Please check again from your PC or join the Revival community and open our events tab to find your Data Center.
https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=937676816972415056 https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=937676094415466507 https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=937716216305430539 https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=937838002271567902 https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=938010674498510848 https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=937838106827169872
amber escarp
Great intro to PvP video by one of the Revival mentors / stream team members
real cloakBOT
regal kettleBOT
Here are our planned Rival Wings events for this week! Make sure to check the time for your data center by clicking on the event.
https://discord.gg/js9ySJEK?event=940200360776175656
https://discord.gg/js9ySJEK?event=940199863650517003
https://discord.gg/js9ySJEK?event=940637013122621460
https://discord.gg/js9ySJEK?event=940692803862802483
https://discord.gg/js9ySJEK?event=940396888006479872
ocean frigate
Reaper feels so bad in pvp (Frontlines)
Totally unmatched against sam/mnk/nink.
nin
silk rune
Reaper is actually pretty strong in FL, the complaint most have is it doesn't have a lot of oGCDs and it doesn't have good ranged capabilities like some of the other melees do
onyx python
If they dont remove fxking insta spell animationts in next patch i'll delete this game
How come pvp is so bad
Like the game is not 1yo right
Like the arrow have to reach enemy and then give em silence
What
U cast and u w8 for 1 second or even more
amber escarp
deft oriole
sorry to hear it. anyway
wheat cargo
Something something congratulations or sorry to hear it
ocean frigate
Reaper is actually pretty strong in FL, the complaint most have is it doesn't ha...
I doubt it, every other melee job have better toolkit.
MNK was "supposed" to be bad but having 3 ways to get in to the enemy makes Reaper cry.
silk rune
MNKs tradeoff is they have no escape, which all other melees have
The complaints about RPR are plenty valid, but it's far from terrible
ocean frigate
That's why MNK have ROE+Fetterward, they can delete anyone that isn't a tank in 3 seconds if max bh. Reaper isn;'t consistent, imagine if DRG have to cast their jumps or PT on 1.50 seconds.
Being unable to "move" every 20 seconds specially in FL its actually terrible for a fully melee class with no realistic range options
If hell ingress could remove holmgag like elusive jump then OK 20 seconds doesn't sound that bad.
clever plover
I doubt it, every other melee job have better toolkit.
MNK was "supposed" to be...
I think you just donβt understand how to play the job. RPR has itβs issues but itβs very strong in FL
fringe tiger
Did anything specifically change with rdm and pld from early shadow bringers? They feel... Weird from a year ago
spiral brook
No actual PVP job kit changes have happened yet.
Just tweaks here and there until 6.1 with the actual PVP balancing with the new mode
ocean frigate
I think you just donβt understand how to play the job. RPR has itβs issues but i...
1 frontline match means nothing, you also died 4 times while the monk actually obliterated everyone. I can go 10-0 with SGE but that doesn't prove the job its op on fl.
clever plover
I mean I could post more scoreboards if you like? I was just using it as an example
silk rune
No one was saying the job was OP anyway
If you want OP you play DRG
But as I mentioned before, RPR is far from terrible and can hold its own against the other melees in Frontline
It's ok to say that you simply don't like the class
But there are others that can simply play it better
Which isn't a bad thing
spiral brook
Melee jobs bad because they donβt respect social distancing. /s
fringe tiger
I see
RDM feels like it plays like shit, not sure what it is trying to accomplish in PvP atm
I guess for less swarm/zerg pvp it looks okay?
amber escarp
Their strength is 2 different forms of CC that stacks up to 2.
Embolden for winning a fight.
They're also naturally tanker than other ranged with their innate defense bonus, engagement and cure.
They get the usual caster cometeor and pdart too
But yeah overall rdm is seen as the weakest casters but they have a lot of support.
Lots of new rdm fall for the trap of always wanting to do their melee combo in a row and using finishers.
That said...their burst is also good and catches people off guard
fringe tiger
Yeah that's what I noticed with RDM is that they're great a support
idk about their burst though
maybe it's because I don't get to use their melee combo often?
If I try to charge in and melee I usually just get blasted by CC and damage lol
silk rune
RDM is one of those classes I feel needs your party to be just as aggressive as you want to be
They're very good at CCing targets and getting out of tight situations, but they have more support oriented stuff than offense
As a healer, RDM cc fxken sucks man
They wait for you to use Purify then cc you again lol
quaint delta
@sharp swallow Do you want to battle
clever plover
RDM feels like it plays like shit, not sure what it is trying to accomplish in P...
RDM is kinda poop. It has its moments where its good, but you're going to be working so hard to do something another job can just do better. Its like the only job thats borderline bad.
silk rune
I dunno, Peach seems to do a good job with it
clever plover
Yea but Peach is really good
silk rune
True lol
clever plover
and they could probably put up better numbers on either BLM or SMN and have a much easier time
amber escarp
Rdm is a job you play because you like it. People that can make rdm work would put up better numbers on any other job
I do like it in rival wings though since smaller battles like that are where it shines imo
fringe tiger
Sounds about right
formal hill
just had the most slaughterfest frontline ive ever seen. stunned 100-0 under rampart at the start...never seen coordination that well in a frontline yeesh
stark silo
Whats this
amber escarp
I think pvp
amber escarp
Lots of practice and looking at your play critically.
Pins also has link to guides. Revival has mentors and mentoring sections too where you can ask questions.
Just like with any tutoring though the better the question the better the answer generally
stark silo
Ah that's alot, uh what should I look at for black mage pvp
silk rune
you could join Revival, there's a lot of BLMs there that can give tips
it's a very strong class to play with
in Frontlines
they scare me a lot
glossy cape
Ah that's alot, uh what should I look at for black mage pvp
Opportunities to shit on people
sharp wind
they scare me a lot
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glossy cape
You don't want to phantom dart and then use blizzard
stark silo
oh double phantom
glossy cape
Or phantom and then get shit on and have to run
sharp wind
general pvp afvice
don't die
stick with party (especially as blm)
get battle high 5
also dont die
glossy cape
Can't double phantom
silk rune
wait wym maximize
they mean make the most effective use of the debuff
it makes you do a lot of damage if you use it right
stark silo
phantom fire v or xeno?
glossy cape
Phantom > f4 > f4
Or 2 xenos
Usually instant casted cause faster damage by 2s
stark silo
iv*
sharp wind
how to effectively use phantom dart
make sure you have polyglot to begin with, slap phantom dart on target, use xenoglossy and swiftcast fire iv
stark silo
So good ol artillery barrage combo
stark silo
Does it work on healers
sharp wind
very much so
silk rune
healers can't remove the debuff at all
stark silo
I hate them with a passion
silk rune
and if they're not paying attention, they get chunked for a ton
stark silo
Interesting
silk rune
you can pressure healers into backing off so that others can focus on burning the back line
*front line
stark silo
okay what if i wanted to play something other than frontlines
silk rune
currently, you also have Rival Wings and random Feast pops
glossy cape
No season
glossy cape
6.1 PvP rework
silk rune
it's getting replaced with a different rank mode
stark silo
Oh boy
silk rune
ye big changes coming for PvP in the next patch
stark silo
better not be some kind of battle royale
silk rune
but ye, as far as stuff other than Frontlines, Revival sets a schedule every week for Rival Wings pops
several folks like it over Frontlines
the staff post their schedules occasionally in here, so keep an eye out
Feast training still gets random pops here and there. There's no real way to detect the pops other than hoping it happens during your region's prime time
stark silo
I see
amber escarp
The feast roles get pinged in revival of it starts popping
stark silo
I didn't think it would be this easy to lob aoes in pvp
silk rune
Yeeeee
Like I said BLMs have a lot of power but they rely on their party to be meatshields, if that makes sense
As long as you're not targetable, a freecasting BLM is a dangerous one
solar lily
is the collar still obtainable? π
amber escarp
Nope
solar lily
the flex surely isnt ultimate but feast reward xD
hopium the 6.1 pvp changes bring old feast reward, id rather long af process than non obtainble at all
amber escarp
Itβs expected that CC will have wolf collars
west bridge
just let me spend marks on them
solar lily
cc?
solar lily
ah
even if only a week of one collar or a month a collar, i dont mind lol
also how is that 100 win reward is till doable when win rate almost low af, diffrent pvp everyday and its all freelance GC
on eu if peopl get adder they usually leave xD
silk rune
that hasn't been a thing since Heavensward
you're freelance, but your wins count towards your GC
doesn't matter which GC you spawn on
as for win rates and stuff, if you want to improve, get comfortable with shotcalling
solar lily
nothing scarier to get horde by red team with all their max battle hight xD
silk rune
yeah that's why the chat and watching your map are very useful tools for determining if you should intervene
chat tells you if a GC is accumulating too much battle high
solar lily
i tried to use the chat often yea
worse experience def camper on seal rock and just pushing people off when the team trying to get up xD
regal kettleBOT
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silk rune
just showing this off
SGE pretty strong in FL
amber escarp
clever plover
Fun games yesterday
regal kettleBOT
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real cloakBOT
Want to stay up to date on the upcoming PvP changes? Check out this Twitter moment and stay tuned for updates!
https://twitter.com/ffxivpvprevival/status/1496598866904469507?s=20&t=hE1JJJgOKqOEqcOIo2h6CQ
past elm
bye frontline, you're not gonna be missed
past elm
pls i dont want to kill no moreπ
amber escarp
regal kettleBOT
@RW_Aether @RW_Primal @RW_Crystal @RW_Light @RW_Chaos
March Madness: Fighting Fauna
Come one, come all and join the madness!!Come celebrate the coming of spring by bringing out your inner beast with Animal Head glams!
Date: Saturday March 5th
Time:
Aether/Primal/Crystal: 5pm PT/8pm ET
<t:1646528430:f>
Light/Chaos: 6pm Server/8pm CEST
<t:1646503200:f>
Gathering: Meetup in Bentbranch an hour before start time for photoshoots and socializing!
Aether: Jenova
Primal: Excaliber
Crystal: Diabolos
Light: Pheonix
Chaos: Ragnarok
All DC Participation Raffle:
- 1 entry per person.
- Take a glam shot inside the dock in a match of yourself in your animal head glam
- Post your screenshot in the #949654565073068062 channel no later than <t:1646628937:f>
Raffle Prizes:
- CC Mount
- A single Mogstation outfit of your choice
- A single Mogstation emote, dye pack, or fantasia of your choice
Team Colors!
Revival staff will be handing out sets of 5 red and 5 blue dyes to participants who want them, to dye their animal heads to match their team!
Partners:
- Ty for Holmgang <<KOKO>> - Aether FC (Jenova)
- PvPrimal - Primal discord community: https://discord.gg/pvprimal
Aight. According to gamerscape:
Accepted Animal Heads for the Raffle:
Bunny - Mogstation
Moogle - Mogstation
Pig - Gold saucer
Chicken - Past event
Frog - Tempest fate
Elephant - Thavnair fate
Fat Chocobo - Achievement
Namazu - Beast Tribe
Vanu Vanu - Beast Tribe
Zundu - Beast Tribe
*Vath - Beast Tribe
*Gnath - Beast Tribe
*Kojin - Beast Tribe
*Replica Behemoth helm - Knickknacks exchange
- Not wearable by Vierra/Hrothgar
NA DCs: https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=946897564098261093
EU DCs: https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=946898161186766948
amber escarp
real cloakBOT
Crystalline Conflict is coming soon and will be replacing The Feast, Will you be ready?! 
https://twitter.com/ffxivpvprevival/status/1499770139633504265?s=20&t=WAen4tiD9FNu9VkeFlBgEA
regal kettleBOT
EU DCs will start queuing up soon for Rival Wings Fighting Fauna! Donβt miss out!
EU DCs: https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=946898161186766948
regal kettleBOT
NA DCs will start queuing up in about 2 hours for Rival Wings Fighting Fauna! Don't miss out!
regal kettleBOT
The Rival Wings Fighting Fauna raffle winners have been announced! Big thanks to everyone who came out in their beastly best! Be sure to join us again for more robot smashing fun!!
regal kettleBOT
It's back!
Every Moogle Treasure Trove time, Rival Wings pops all on its own daily. As it goes on and queues slow down, we continue the momentum with daily queue hours.
Join our community and join in on the fun! 3-5 tomes per PvP match, including Rival Wingsβ£οΈ
New to PvP? Nervous? That's okay!
Our FFXIV PvP community is very welcoming to players of all skill levels. We have guides and mentors to help you on your journey. Excited to see you all out there!
Discord invite: http://discord.gg/pvprevival
Official treature trove post: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/mogmog-collection/202203/dceh8sj926
regal kettleBOT
Hello, everyone! We hope you enjoyed our themed Rival Wings runs last week! This weekend we're doing our runs again so be sure to use this time to brush up on the mode so that you're ready for the daily pops of Rival Wings during mog tome event this Monday 
If you're on Android the links below may not load properly. Please consider checking again from your computer.
Chaos: https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=950305134074822657
Light: https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=950304929640218674
Primal: https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=950405554826797076
Aether: https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=951000274699431966
Crystal: https://discord.gg/xCHT2RRMUT?event=951121322379972648
real cloakBOT
https://discord.gg/unf3UndDjx?event=950435691546943498 TONIGHT Crystal DC will be doing a Feast Training Night! All skill levels are welcome as we work for achievements and try to improve to prepare for the new small scale mode Crystalline Conflict. We hope to see you there Crystal!
real cloakBOT
Hello, everyone! Do you have a character on Aether? Missing some Feast achievements? Want to learn and improve to get ready for Crystalline Conflict? Join us later today for some Feast Training matches!
real cloakBOT
Hello, Light DC players! Want to work on those feast achievements before it gets replaced in Crystalline Conflict? Click below to join us! Please consider joining the community to check out our guides and ask our mentors questions π
regal kettleBOT
Hello, everyone! Mog tomes have started and with that Rival Wings tends to pop on its own! If your Data Center gets a pop please consider joining Revival and letting us know so that we can spread the word:
Your DC hasn't popped yet? Consider shouting in game, putting up a PF and telling your FC/communities to queue for Rival Wings.
If any DC is struggling to get pops started, we will set a specific daily queue time. For the most up to date info please join our Discord community and make sure to add the appropriate event roles so that you receive notifcations!
amber escarp
Longest I've ever waiting for a RW during a moogle event. Did people just give up on using this to farm tomes?
silk rune
@amber escarp hey dude, Revival is about to force an event for it to pop on Primal, but they're surmising that folks are still getting off from work and/or school rn
@amber escarp help me out here lol
amber escarp
I joined that disc and complained there, I'll go ahead and have them tell me the same thing so I know when to que
silk rune
Kk
silk rune
Eternal, I can't embed the event links here, could you repost it?
amber escarp
If folks want to help pop they can use the shout macro I posted in revival
Example shout macro: /sh Want to farm mog tomes and work towards TWO PvP exclusive mounts? Join our Discord and let's get Rival Wings popping daily again! Once the pop train starts, it keeps going! /wait 2 /sh Join us on Discord for guides, mentors, other events and more discord.gg/pvprevival
regal kettleBOT
All data centers have started popping Rival Wings! If you haven't already, consider joining in on the fun! Let's keep it going as long as possible!
Discord invite: discord.gg/pvprevival
shadow adder
what is the recommended "role action" for DRG in PvP?
amber escarp
what is the recommended "role action" for DRG in PvP?
https://twitter.com/i/events/1496983578562990080
This has all the picture guides
https://twitter.com/RhiaRys/status/1496980154903502848?s=20&t=pVUm_x6ea9f1yUAKTJWvsg
This one is DRG specifically
Twitter
shadow adder
Nice, thank you man! cheers!
amber escarp
No prob π
amber escarp
might have luck in revival asking about it. generally though it pops during the week
amber escarp
https://tenor.com/view/feast-training-ffxiv-pvp-gif-24784233
join up and add the feast roles if you'd like to be notified when it gets going. usually its a group of friends getting it started that get pops going
topaz cedar
https://tenor.com/view/feast-training-ffxiv-pvp-gif-24784233
Q UP FEAST TRAINING 9PM EDT DAILY POPS FENRIR PUPS MILLIONS OF GIL LITTLE SALT PRIMAL DATA CENTER BEHEMOTH WOLVES DEN
silk rune
Just to let you know it's Daylight Savings Time lol
topaz cedar
ITS TIME FOR FEAST TOO Q UP Q UP Q UP Q UP
topaz cedar
GOOD LOOKS
regal kettleBOT
Rival Wings has been consistently popping on all Data Centers
Itβs popping right now for all NA Data Centers
north nova
do you guys think its broken
amber escarp
Aether? Itβs a little early. Should be popping soon
silk rune
People probably at work, it's a Monday
But ye should pop a little later
amber escarp
If you have all languages checked the queue may have put you in a dead language. Try unchecking all but English
amber escarp
Then ya looks like you jumped into queue around 10est. West and east coast are sleeping still, working or at school
Should pop shortly
Itβs the same reason PF for end game content takes long to fill at these hours and those only require 8 warm bodied
north nova
I am more so staying in the que now just to see how long this will take at this point lol
amber escarp
Not long since in the worst case scenario it pops during prime time hours.
But realistically it will pop soon because of the daily roulette
The quality though tends to get better later on too when more experienced folks play. But these early games are a good way to learn when youβre newer
Oh itβs shatter day
Shatter and secure tend to be the least popular among folks. Shatter been growing on me though
real cloakBOT
The Feast (Training Match) is currently popping on Aether! Get on over here and start learning some basics!
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/955684237003091968
wooden grove
A little photo of a Primal Onsal Hakair mini queue sync that happened this evening :)
glad ravineBOT
Come join PvP Revival for an All Warrior Q-Sync event on Primal DC on April 3rd! Get ready for some Holmgang-ing fun!
Never participated in a Q-sync before? It's easy and simple! We queue under a separate language (typically "J" Japanese") and meet up at a designated location (Behemoth Wolves Den). This is so we can coordinate when to queue up, when to allow breaks, and when to take group screenshots! If you have questions or need something clarified, feel free to DM us or ask us questions!
regal kettleBOT
Hello, hello! Are you on NA and missing Rival Wings popping? LETS CHANGE THAT!
Check out the event link below to join us TONIGHT as we try to get games going on Aether, Crystal and Primal
Be sure to copy/paste the shout message in the event entry so that you can help and be part of the folks helping get matches going again!
ALL HANDS ON DECK TO SPREAD THE WORD 
regal kettleBOT
20 mins until we try to get Rival Wings popping on NA Data Centers!
honest field
i dont understand frontline
vast crag
know your burst rotation, do objectives, stack together with your team like glues and fight close to objective areas, pick up people who stray on their own
that's for basic
amber escarp
Ya. Knowing burst is the best first step
Itβs like raiding. Mechanics are easier if you know your buttons
honest field
know your burst rotation, do objectives, stack together with your team like glue...
Literally what
west bridge
Just stick with your alliance and don't wander off
silk rune
i dont understand frontline
What exactly are you having problems understanding
honest field
What exactly are you having problems understanding
Like, how to properly play? Pvp in ffxiv just doesn't make sense to me, I wanna understand it better, but it's a bit much
silk rune
Sure, I can try to explain a bit
The first thing to understand, like the others have said, is your PvP kit. Your skills do different things in PvP modes, so it's best you understand your tools that help your team survive longer or KO opponents faster. If you go to the Wolve's Den, or type in /pvpp in the chat box, you'll see what your PvP skills are and what they do. You can also go to the Job Guide on the Lodestone to look at your PvP abilities there. There's also resources at the Revival Discord for more specific tips and tricks for the job you want to play.
The second thing to understand is the different PvP modes available. There are currently 3 modes:
- Feast (4v4, will be replaced with Crystalline Conflict in 6.15, Feast Training is available)
- Frontlines (24v24v24, has 4 modes: Secure, Sieze, Shatter, and Onsal)
- Rival Wings (24v24, MOBA-type PvP mode similar to League of Legends)
Each mode has different objectives, and the game gives a basic run-down of the different modes in the PvP Guide on the Lodestone
Tactics differ amongst the modes. Outside of Feast, the best advice is to simply stick with the group and develop a "battle sense." This grows over time the more you play, and it basically boils down to being aware of how people are moving during the fights: "Which way is the team headed? Where's the enemy team at? Do I have enough party members to engage the enemy? Can we catch them off guard? Do we need to score objectives or do we need to KO the enemy to bring points down?" Being aware of all these things helps while fighting or surviving to win.
Lastly, while we have folks here eager to lead you on, the Revival Discord has many more eager people waiting to share their strats and tips. I'm just one dude, but there are many more there who have helped curious souls thrive in PvP and get better at playing it. May be worth your while to check them out.
upbeat matrix
is the adrenaline gauge basically like an LB for pvp?
upbeat matrix
does the gain go up with ability use and damage? or is it a constant increase with time
silk rune
They go up with kills and assists
If you're not 1st place in points, LB charges at a faster rate, with 3rd charging the fastest
upbeat matrix
gotcha! thank you :))
deft sparrow
Come accross my first challenge in the game
Magitech lmfao
I don't even want this airship no mo
Oh damn wrong chat
amber escarp
regal kettleBOT
Next friday and saturday we will be planning Rival Wings! Make sure to get your matches in before it gets temporarily disabled in 6.1! The dates for NA and EU are different so make sure to look carefully.
https://discord.gg/Cr7jxWFN?event=958647436744749087
https://discord.gg/Cr7jxWFN?event=956958439278514236
regal kettleBOT
Want help keeping track of all the changes coming to PvP in 6.1? Check our this Twitter moment for details about:
- New reward structure
- Return of Garo
- Crystalline Conflict
- ETC
This YT video also has gameplay footage of the exhibition Crystalline Conflict match played by the devs!
Twitter
wooden grove
boooo rival wings aint poppin now
You're in luck because this is happening tomorrow:
https://discord.gg/HapGZKdJ?event=956134989626490900
fading timber
Noice, I need my irregulars
real cloakBOT
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regal kettleBOT
regal kettleBOT
Primal Rival Wings nights! Letβs get in as many games as we can before it goes on hiatus until patch 6.2!
Saturday April 2nd:
https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=956134989626490900
Saturday April 9th:
https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=959059031924813854
Sunday April 10th:
https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=959059390500044800
dense steeple
so looking at the slides and translations, are they planning on locking RW during 6.1 entirely? Or did they just mean they won't be doing anything with it until 6.2?
silk rune
RW is shutting down for the entirety of 6.1 for balancing adjustments
That's why there's so many events getting pushed out rn from Revival
10 days to go
silk rune
I assume whatever reworks they're gonna implement would upset the balance of RW too much
Since the adjustments will apply to all PvP modes, not just CC and Frontlines
dense steeple
I couldn't care less about ranked, though I'd like at least some kind of (very) loose MMR in frontlines etc to try and balance player skill among teams
dense steeple
yeah
but even just something as basic as increasing the PvP Level cap and adding filtering based on PvP Level would be something
it's not skill based but it at least estimates amount of games played
though I'd vote for actual damn tutorials more than anything. I think there's a lot of people that do their daily PvP stuff for the XP and whatnot and they don't want to fail at the game, because it's more fun if you know what you're doing... but there's no time to teach people in-game and there are no systems in place to teach people out of game
amber escarp
There are some very basic pop upd for PvP, similar as for PvE
For in depth PvE you go online, I thing the same expectation should be expected in PvP and any game tbh
dense steeple
Yeah, but those pop-ups aren't enough for PvE either. But in a dungeon or a raid, you can stop and talk things over
I've taught countless people how to do savages and extremes without them ever watching a guide. We just talk about things between pulls
You don't get that option for PvP, which is a problem
amber escarp
Yeah itβs just overall not in depth and going online for more info has been around sinceβ¦ forever
dense steeple
I think most "casual" players, which is probably a considerable majority of people playing XIV, don't go online to find stuff unless it's basically handed to them. I think relying on people doing that is outdated design
You could argue "back in my day" or whatever, and I think that would even be true. But people are different these days. Tutorials in games are more comprehensive and more common, and manuals stopped being a thing ages ago. It's not a skill people really learn anymore. So I think designing a cooperative multiplayer game around those principles is outdated and oughta be adjusted
Especially since the importance of having your map open and constantly checking it, and understanding how important it is to acquire and maintain Battle High, isn't stuff that's immediately obvious
amber escarp
Itβs not about back in my day, thing is the gamers are the ones that will find the best way to play
Look at how the way we play the game has influenced kits to the point in pve all kits are designed (for the most part) around burst phases thst fall into neat timings
The thousands of gamers will write better in depth guides than the devs every time
If devs write in depth guides it will either
- Stunt community growth and improvement of meta
- Be completely wrong, ignored, ridiculed and online guides will be prevalent still
Players being the ones releasing in depth guides also allowed for discussion which is very important for community and game growth
That said I do think thereβs a lot of room for improvement on SEs part in regards to basic guides. But I can also see why they do the bare minimum and call it a day
Iβm sure all of us here skip some of those pop ups we get
silk rune
dense steeple
Eternal I think the problem is you're acting like those hardcore players are anywhere near being a majority of players in PvP
I wouldn't be surprised if more than 80% of people in Frontlines games play exactly one game per day, and probably not even every day they do roulettes. They don't put effort into learning about PvP, but I would also say that a majority of players have more fun when they understand what's going on
#1 complaint you see in frontlines chat is people not knowing what's going on, where are all my buttons, etc
SE can and should put basic tutorials into the unlocking process so that people firmly understand how PvP actions work and how it's not the same as PvE, what battle high is and why it's important, how scores are tallied, etc
FWIW I think they should also have a simple tutorial for dungeons so that we hopefully have at least a few less Freecure fishers <_<
amber escarp
Those basics are there in tutorials though. I canβt see how se could teach something like bursts which is something we made up. Countdowns werenβt even a thing, players made it then se added it lol
When it comes to the very basics there pop ups⦠just not very good ones
But especially with PvP there should be an expectation of looking online since PvP is where a lot of innovation will take place to get an edge lol
Honestly reading tool tips goes so far too
I wish se would just link to resources directly in game. But I donβt think they will ever happen since they wouldnβt be in charge of whatβs on those communities
dense steeple
Yeah. If they were a small outfit they could. But too much liability for a big AAA operation
I dunno. I think tutorials should be mandatory to unlock DF, etc. Something to force players to stop and actually read something. Gotta do this thing X times exactly as directed or you can't proceed. I'm not concerned about teaching burst or whatever, but it should teach how tactical points are calculated, what BH is and how it works, etc
None of this would even be necessary if there were down-times in PvP or we could form full premades. But we don't have time in-game to teach or ask questions like in PvE content
It would be cool to experiment with changing FL to be a best of 3 setup, with each round being about 5 minutes long and 1 minute between rounds. That would give time to teach and strategize between rounds
dense steeple
So the changes to pvp where each class gets a unique LB, is that for all modes or specific to CC?
amber escarp
Itβs for all modes
It fits CC well and tbh I think it fits rw well too since rw has a lot less people
dense steeple
Dang, that's pretty hype
amber escarp
I think Astragalos would be perfect since itβs even bigger and has smaller skirmishes
Hoping they bring it back
dense steeple
How much are we betting it's just class specific cometeor etc? π
I'd love for them to go back and adjust old maps. Borderland Ruins is not that great and Seal Rock definitely has some issues when compared to Onsal Hakair
amber escarp
Idk tbh. Yoshi used blm lb and it wasnβt comets or. Sam lb had some teleportstion lol
dense steeple
More maps for existing modes would be nice too
amber escarp
Whm shot out a huge laser. I think that might be their lb
dense steeple
Oh nice
amber escarp
Ya. That exhibition match showed a lot
A lot of old abilities are coming back and new ones
dense steeple
I'd be down for some FF flavor. Bring back BLM casting Stop, WHM tossing out Haste, etc
amber escarp
Iβm pretty sure I saw dark arts
Ya I think itβs coming. I saw a charm and hysteria debuff
dense steeple
Well hell. It you're not careful I'm actually going to be excited about a patch for once
Only thing that would get me more excited is the BLU patch adding BLU to PvP
Gimme that Bad Breath LB
dense steeple
Haha
Blue mage strategy: moon flute, loom, self-destruct
Moon flute would probably get cut though. I can see it being frustrating to balance around
mellow pasture
how are all these BLMs getting like 600k+ damage in frontlines
every time I try to play BLM shit never stays in range long enough to get a cast off
and when I play BRD i struggle to break 400k despite being in combat nearly the whole time
vast crag
stay in mid all the time, well-timed LB, Foul etc
the shotcaller should have that countdown when you should do your aoe
dense steeple
Leverage your AOE sleep
It's crazy good
People calling burst timings in FL sounds frustrating. I had a guy doing that once, spamming macros with sound effects. I think it's the fastest I've ever blacklisted and reported someone
dense steeple
Well BRD probably won't get the raw dmg of a caster. Casters have the best AOE. But ranged are more mobile and silence/heavy are so good at locking in kills
400k sounds pretty good for ranged
Peloton is also just π€
amber escarp
every time I try to play BLM shit never stays in range long enough to get a cast...
BLM has a lot of instant casts. Position far up and use tp to go to safety is a good tip most players donβt capitalize on
mellow pasture
but what do you do when your instants are down
pray people stay in range long enough to cast?
or maybe just play summoner 
also, how exactly does battle high work
what's it do
dense steeple
BH is 10% more damage and healing per rank, and you get a rank every 20 points
You lose half of your points when you die
It also applies to potions so that's why it's so hard to kill BH5's. They're chugging for like 6-7k apiece
You can try targeting other casters or melee/tanks. Melee and tanks will be diving and retreating frequently in big brawls so you might finish the cast as they're backing off
Healers tend to need to use GCD heals in big brawls so they're an option too. Scholars in particular need to spend time broiling to build gauge
dense steeple
WHM is cheating lol
somber breach
Shh
dense steeple
Regen is so good at padding that stat π
somber breach
Let me stroke my ego
dense steeple
1 death with high healing is good stroking material
somber breach
Only the finest for me
dense steeple
Easy to get 0 deaths if you're hiding. But getting good damage/healing with minimal deaths takes skill π
I just hate how pvp healing has ruined pve healing for me lol
somber breach
Same, I quit PvE healing
dense steeple
I despise pve SCH but I just about refuse to play any other healer in pvp. The mobility is so addictive
somber breach
Also lol all those WHMs and no SGE
I think there was a sage or two but they were bottom.
silk rune
somber breach
WHM is just better at padding
somber breach
silk rune
You gonna farm Garo stuff?
west bridge
blm and smn have an easy time building bh because they can tag things super easily
somber breach
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amber escarp
but what do you do when your instants are down
Bit tough without seeing how you play and positioning is something you learn over time. Generally find a safe place (team around you, TP target, cover) and cast. Cast times are lower in PvP than PvE
Yes you can also play smn as it's generally considered easier and would be a good way to learn positioning so that you can transfer those skills to blm.
SMN AoE stun and AoE burst can swing fights in your teams favour so it's also very strong, along with also having PDart and Cometeor for the debuffs
amber escarp
WHM is just better at padding
you arent momma anymore?
somber breach
you arent momma anymore? <:TiredCat:713854042480181361>
I'm always PvP Mommy, that was just for the 1st.
mellow pasture
speaking of
how do you bind AM to mouseover
pvp actions are a different command aren't they?
amber escarp
amber escarp
how do you bind AM to mouseover
same as pve version just use /pvpac
mellow pasture
oh lol, they didn't touch summoner in pvp after the rework
bio and tri disaster, lol
silk rune
Nah
Nothing at all
All that was added was SGE and RPR kits
Probably wanted to wait until the full overhaul in 10 days
dense steeple
> mobility
You mean SGE?
I don't even have SGE unlocked lol
There's a plugin that can do true mouseover casting but I'm not sure what this server's stance on third party tools is. I'd assume verboten since it's the official unofficial subreddit server
silk rune
Personally, using plugins in PvP kinda pepega
dense steeple
Anything to make the game feel less clunky and dated
I'd turn em off if I was playing ranked. But I don't, so π
dense steeple
Is CC expected to be restricted to solo queue only for casual play?
silk rune
in the showcase Yoshida was in a party of 5 already before beginning a match
so there probably won't be any restrictions on group play
amber escarp
i thought that was a custom match
silk rune
was it? I've never done customs on Feast, you might know better
dense steeple
Allowing people to queue full teams into casual mode sounds like a recipe for complaining. Didn't they cut FL down to 4 players because people were getting rolled by premades?
amber escarp
was it? I've never done customs on Feast, you might know better
i couldnt read japanese so idk lol
but they were in an alliance when they queued
so i figured it was custom
amber escarp
Allowing people to queue full teams into casual mode sounds like a recipe for co...
ya they made it down to 4
silk rune
Feast is no different tho no?
dense steeple
Well, Feast was completely inactive except for ranked games
There wasn't any casual activity since there wasn't a feast roulette or whatever
But CC will presumably have a casual roulette or something
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amber escarp
it went until 5am est?
amber escarp
amber escarp
PvP. Trust me
spiral brook
dense steeple
Had a game this morning with one team having a nearly 2.5 KD
Frontlines needs a team balancing method so bad
dense steeple
can someone remind me what idiocy convinced SE that S ranks should spawn anywhere but mid?
SE pls
silk rune
gotta encourage fighting in other areas of the map otherwise people would just camp mid to pad stats
it's no different than SR spawns
in any case, from that SS, yellow was farming the other two teams pretty hard, so I doubt it's the spawn locations causing issues there
dense steeple
that was actually the game after the game that handed a team an automatic win because it plopped an S rank in their laps in a tight race
S ranks should either just be removed or be only mid, they're way too important to be RNG based
that SS is another example of why this game so desperately needs even a rudimentary method of balancing teams
Except for that one game that defaulted to RNG fiat, every other game today was a one-sided stomp
I think it happens on OH more than anywhere else because the nature of the map forces more fights, more often, and there's no backcapping etc to try and deny points to the team in the lead
People don't understand battle high or that frontlines isn't quite as brainless as it first seems. And OH heavily punishes any team that has a lot of people that lack that knowledge, moreso than any other map. I love OH because of that, but it also tends to result in a lot of very lopsided games
I had a game from this morning where the team I was on got 1100 points from kills and only dropped 200 to deaths. We barely touched objectives, because we were stacked to high heaven with people that knew how to fight and knew how PvP works. I doubt the other 48 players had very much fun
silk rune
I think it happens on OH more than anywhere else because the nature of the map f...
that's why you have to force yourselves on the leading team when it's opportunistic. Pinch calls make a load of difference in turning the tide of battle, and I've seen fights get turned around way quick because of a good pinch call
other than that, there's really no way you can account for folks not knowing the inner workings of the mode. SE could work on their little tutorials better, but ultimately the players develop these strategies and callouts to be effective players. at the end of the day, you're shepherding a bunch of sheep lol
dense steeple
Pinch calls don't work if your team has no BH and/or is loaded with people that simply don't know how to fight very well
I agree that there's not a lot that can be done. But even something as completely basic as increasing PvP level cap and balancing teams based off of total PvP level would be something
silk rune
attempting to balance 72 players sounds very difficult and may result in queues becoming longer than necessary. What SE could be doing is increasing interest in PvP, and GARO is probably the best way to do it, especially because the mounts and glams are so good looking
and pinches can work with a team with low BH numbers, sometimes you just gotta make that call and not assume folks can't get the job done
subtle hornet
Most of the time it won't work π
devout harbor
It's impossible to balance 72 from the virtue of there being too varied of a skill discrepancy to begin with
subtle hornet
You'll know when you're trying to get kills and notice that your whole team ran away at the first sign of conflict
it happened before
devout harbor
Even if it is balanced, the average FL player doesn't have the co ordination or Knowledge to use that
dense steeple
~~it happened before~~
80% of my deaths are because my party/team just bailed as soon as I move in to start the fight
subtle hornet
My best worst one so far
Onsal, A rank spawned at the left at the start
We went there, blue went there as well
EVERYONE ran away when they say blue gunning down towards us
All 24 died to feed blue's BH
silk rune
a lot of the time it's mental play as well
I'm one of those dudes who'll charge in as DRK to give the enemy team something to get distracted by while the rest of the group rushes in
subtle hornet
Yeah, you can definitely feel the difference when all of the regulars get thrown into one team lmao
dense steeple
that's how tanks are supposed to play
silk rune
except they didn't notice teh rest of the group because they're too focused on me
subtle hornet
I'm one of those dudes who'll charge in as DRK to give the enemy team something ...
I hate you, keep tab targeting those tanks on controller π
silk rune
haha you see
subtle hornet
As much as I like the onsal murder
Tab targeting loves to target the ovoos over the players 
silk rune
I'm sure you can change filters to prevent that
dense steeple
ovoos are actually really annoying to click on
subtle hornet
Might have to play around 
dense steeple
honestly I'm so bad at tank and DPS anymore because I play SCH almost every game because I don't trust random healers
PvP healing is very, very different from PvE healing so you'll get people that just... don't know how to heal
and ofc I usually have to badger at least one group to get at least one person to swap to healer
subtle hornet
Unless you see a regular? Just assume you have to be your own healer 
dense steeple
yup
I ended up playing some NIN and I was still used to SCH muscle memory... it wasn't fun lol
silk rune
honestly, persistence is key
once you get better at doing these things yourself you become more confident in leading others to victory
you become the shepherd, so to speak
Cotton, I'm trying to find settings for you, might take a moment
subtle hornet
Easier to direct the crowd when you're on PC though
silk rune
yeah that's true
subtle hornet
Harder to swap between Macros and skills on controller
dense steeple
I'm completely confident making calls. I just don't see the point
anyone smart enough to listen to calls can already figure out what they need to be doing
dense steeple
most of my wins, there are few to no calls
most of my bad losses are where people are spamming macros all game lol
subtle hornet
A bit of a fallacy there though
silk rune
^^^
subtle hornet
Callouts don't matter if it's a team of pvp vets
amber escarp
Everyone can be a PvP superstar
dense steeple
yeah I'm sure it's confirmation bias
subtle hornet
Callouts make a huge difference if it's the average Joe
dense steeple
just saying though :p
subtle hornet
Helps to focus the mob into a single direction
Instead of everyone running off everywhere
dense steeple
I usually just link a map coord
silk rune
^^^
dense steeple
pvping on controller π
subtle hornet
Have to pause murdering to navigate there and click on it
silk rune
I learned a few months back flag links suck for console players
so I swapped to cardinals
subtle hornet
Cardinals + sound effects 
silk rune
I personally don't use sound effects
I should tho, sometimes the people like to tunnel a lot lmao
subtle hornet
I'm one of those
dense steeple
sound effects are something you should use sparingly
silk rune
of course
dense steeple
if everything you do has a sound effect, they just become noise instead of sound recognition
silk rune
ending the week positive
dense steeple
nice dude
faint fulcrum
pvping on controller π
Yee, its ez mode
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fringe tiger
Holy heck
RDM is a fucking monster in small skirmishes.
I know they were probably bad, but some 3v1 couldn't kill me due to all the healing/self-mitigation I could keep doing as well as I kept disengaging from the one from farthest from us so then I'd be out of range from 2 of them to be attacked
I couldn't kill the three of them since one of them was a healer, but they couldn't even kill me either lol
Then ended up 2v1ing someone on a capture point
So much absorbs/heals
One of them got so upset that he kept trying to chase me down and 1v1 me, which I don't understand why he was trying to do that when he had 0 BH and I had 70... lol
amber escarp
Ya man thats why i love rdm in rw
2 bind 2 heavy, shield, vercure, pots and natural defens bonus
lol
fringe tiger
It sucks though in really big zerg fests though
feels like I can't really do anything besides poke an aoe or 2
Occasionally see one of them get out of position and CC them but that's it
I would love it if they'd update pvp RDM to Endwalker RDM.
verholy/flare and scorch do aoe, and melee aoe counts towards melee combo points
dense steeple
I'll be happy if they just delete potions and pretend they never made that mistake
amber escarp
All the kits are gonna be completely changed in about a week so you're in luck lol
Twitter
recuperate is instant but med kit is 4.5 seconds for full hp/mp lol
dense steeple
The self buff just sounds like attunement
Which is just a massive noob trap
Stunning yourself for 3 sec is pretty much never going to be good
Maybe they meant you can't move?
silk rune
well the major difference between Attunement and whatever this other skill is you can move
dense steeple
Ahh
silk rune
if you watched Yoshida play, you'd see he used it while also being able to move
silk rune
better than getting merked, let's be honest lol
dense steeple
Unless it keeps the 90% DR it's still gonna get you killed regardless
silk rune
if positioning was poor it's already guaranteed
dense steeple
Yup
dense steeple
So they are getting rid of potions?
Maybe more like giving you a choice of different varieties? I've had that idea and it could be interesting
silk rune
So they are getting rid of potions?
Honestly, I'm glad Recuperate is replacing potions
it looks way more responsive
dense steeple
Anything that nerfs current potion spam is good
It's the worst change they made in ShB
One potion is probably fine. 3 is dumb
silk rune
have you watched the showcase yet
dense steeple
Nah
fringe tiger
Where is it
dense steeple
I literally never watch LL's because it's three hours of navel gazing
dense steeple
Them dragoons gonna miss that MP lmao
dense steeple
13 minutes is too long. That's why I just want them to publish summaries together with the LL
dense steeple
A lot faster and simpler to read a few pages of text than spend 30 minutes squinting at low res video for info. But I get that they don't like releasing actual details in LL's for some reason. Even when the actual patch is only a week out, meaning they're far past the point of making substantial alterations...
fringe tiger
Hrm
That looks very interesting
but it feel like it really screws RDM
or any class with thte ability to heal using MP
dense steeple
Choosing between offense and defense makes sense
But I can only assume classes with no interaction with MP will have something else?
Someone RP walking away while ignoring everything and chugging OP potions will be a lot more tolerable if it also means they do minimal DPS for a while afterwards
fringe tiger
That would be a fair solution
because it'd e kind of scuffed if some classes basically just get free use of it
dense steeple
SE does some questionable things at times but I don't think they're that dumb
Yoshida's supposed to be some kinda old school MMO PvP fanboy right?
fringe tiger
Looks at how MSQ roulette has existed for (x) years the way that it has
silk rune
we won't know the full implementation until patch notes drop, so let's keep a cool head and not jump to conclusions
dense steeple
Every time I get chrysalis for trials roulette I just chuckle at how absurdly anime ARR was
dense steeple
Honestly idk why they don't just drop patch notes and go "hey potencies aren't quite set in stone so dw"
fringe tiger
Endwalker 89 trial felt very anime towards the end
I kind of cringed with the 2nd half part lol
silk rune
because then people jump to conclusions
and ignore the "set in stone" part
it's the main reason why we don't get class adjustments in the prelims anymore
dense steeple
Who cares? Let people chimp out. It doesn't affect them at all
Punishing rational adults because a minority of manchildren chimp out is dumb
Maybe it's a Japanese corporate culture thing? American devs just chuckle at the noise
silk rune
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silk rune
this is just a reminder that embracing Battle High has its rewards
subtle hornet
Murder
vast crag
you are missing that our team finished last even with that much battle high πΉ
although I didn't check what happened with the other alliances
silk rune
there is such a thing as responsible battle highing
I'm more impressed the whole party got BH5 lol
subtle hornet
you are missing that our team finished last even with that much battle high πΉ
I've seen that happen before π
Too much middle murdering between you and another team, a 3rd team grabs all the ovoos at the sides while you're busy murdering for the middle 
silk rune
so it appears there will be a small tutorial for CC
amber escarp
dense steeple
"embrace battle high" π
Had a game like that last night. My entire party had BH5 from like minute 5
Balanced teams are balanced
amber escarp
Some Revival folks were invited to Moogle Go Round show to discuss pvp 
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hot pecan
hi all do we know yet if a premade team will be able to party queue for crystalline conflict in casual mode? or is it still unclear? (read the patch notes but the only thing it confirms is that ranked is solo)
amber escarp
Still unclear but grouping up seems unlikely. But weβll see
silk rune
I don't get it
amber escarp
Who knows
I delete lol
Seems they got muted
to be honest im assuming it wil just be a shit show like feast
silk rune
Off the bat?
amber escarp
people will be more toxic over crystaline too
silk rune
How so?
amber escarp
because you have way less commands
so they will take their rage to discords
xd
like they are removing any kind of focus target commands and ranked is solo
what could go wrong xd
silk rune
Ranked being solo is better than premading
It's fairer that way
That and the focus isn't on killing targets, simply push the payload
amber escarp
i agree with solo ranked
amber escarp
but focus target will still be important for pushing or stopping said payload
like i personally wont be salty about it.but i can see a lot getting ragey over it
silk rune
Eh, seems kinda petty, you think? I'm sure the matches wont be that detrimental because Focus Target quick chat got removed
Besides they're 5m skirmishes
amber escarp
ive seen top 100 'vets's in feast matches spam nice job 50 times at end of match because they fed enemy and blamed rest of team
so yes people will be petty xd
aslong as rewards exist
silk rune
Just report the spammers then lol
amber escarp
i have dont worry
just i think the main issue with pvp isnt the systems themselves but more that a ranking system exists which ties rewards to only a small amount of people.many of which go to smurf accounts.
like personalyl i think they should only have the trophy and collar as rewards.remove any exlusive mounts etc.then it would make the ranked system much more pleasant
amber escarp
well you dont really
pvp will always be niche
it just means you'd remove all the match fixing and smurfing in ranked
vast crag
no, problem is people being a dickhead
amber escarp
that could be applied to any sport to be honest xd
silk rune
But ye removing rewards won't eradicate "match fixing" or smurfing
People will still do that regardless
Square needs to implement better measures against those things and improve moderation
amber escarp
i think making people able to derank would help too
silk rune
One thing I wish XIV ranked had was decay, but the issue is a lot of the playerbase is casual af, so it probably won't fly well with those who want to try the mode out, even Feast vets
amber escarp
i disagree
i think rank decay would give people incentive to try improve
and not just mash buttons
vast crag
being casual doesn't mean you are automatically bad player πΉ pretty sure people already seen people who spam ranked games all day, have 4k games++, spent the whole day playing and still stuck at lower rank
silk rune
Nah, I wasn't implying bad players, I was aiming more at time investment
vast crag
while people who just play 1-2 games a day when they are alert and focused, and still attain high rank
amber escarp
to be hoenst there's a lot of bad players whove climed the ranks due to havin the time to spam way more games
the idea is some of them eventually climb through being carried xd
but yeah rank decay like vielen said would probably allow people to play more casually too
as opposed to be stuck in the spam games for first 3 weeks or dont make top 100 scenario
also hoping samurai gets some well deserved nerfs next patch for pvp xd
regal kettleBOT
CRYSTAL! we'll be doing Rival Wings again tonight to make sure we give the mode a fond farewell even though its only temporary. Lets mech up and enjoy some RW at 8 PM EST https://discord.gg/unf3UndDjx?event=960635757607927938
regal kettleBOT
Hello Aether Rival Wings enjoyers! This is the last night of Rival Wings before it gets temporarily removed from the Duty Finder!
amber escarp
stark grove
Blota deez nuts
indigo turret
Oh this is gonna be fun
dusty harness
man pvp actions look sweet
dusty harness
CHAINSAW
spiral brook
SAM also gets an instakill combo with their lb
dusty harness
I really like how unique all the limits are
spiral brook
dusty harness
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
spiral brook
oh hey they made that removed SAM aoe ability from the media tour into a pvp skill
hyosetsu
dusty harness
That dragoon jump is nuts
indigo turret
PvP sounds like it might actually be fun
GNB looks like a blast, the fact that your junction skill changes on what role you draw is interesting
fair hare
Sam kills if you hit his parry
nin just dunks if ur hp is low
Drk looking pretty fun ngl
might actually play it now 
everything looking scary
only job I'm not excited abt is blm 
pine bear
salted earth and salt and darkness sounds very good to set up a combo o.o
fair hare
Drk can legit just
TBN > Plunge > Eventide > Bloodspiller > anything else
weave Salted earth somewhere in there
and shadowbringers after healing up
mega burst
fair hare
wait
if you can combo both superflares
you can probably do 29k burst right from the start with blm
but how would the 12s dot work
latent flume
Idk if anyone has confirmed yet, but do we know if you can casual queue for crystalline conflict with a full 5 man, pairs, or just solo?
proven cave
fading timber
Yall look at the pvp changes yet?
Iβm fearing theyβre making it too simple. Also it looks like WHM woke up and chose violence
silk rune
Too simple? I dunno about that, but the kits look pretty sick
Like SCH looks like it'll be fun to use now
sterile ibex
tbf healer is just kinda gutted of actions imo
besides sch 
silk rune
SGE looks fine to me
Pneuma giving AoE Haima looks crazy
And Toxicon looks like it works like WHM's old Dia
fading timber
Eh canβt make too many decisions till patch finishes and we actually try the things
They also merged AOEs into rotations across the board
subtle hornet
But who's going to aoe in the onsal middle death ball now 
fading timber
Prolly blm