Don't forget about this when it comes to Frontlines/Rival Wings
#archived-player-vs-player
upbeat lotus
And yeah, you don't really need a healer with how stupidly powerful potions are especially if you farmed soaring stacks to max
You heal more than any non-buffed healing ability
DRG/NIN can perform excellently without a healer in Rival Wings
I literally rush mid to duel people and can fight most 2v1s with the enemy having a pocket healer.
15% damage buff PLUS Feint allows DRG to nuke targets and create huge resource deficits for the enemy.
The same issue exists in Feast as well with Dragoon.
remote merlin
Great meta
minor stirrup
Where are the dragoons at? 
upbeat lotus
miss u Vanessa
remote merlin
What I do
fossil spade
Any good resources for bard pvp? I feel so lost.
pastel kelp
carmine plank
should prob just link the discord :p
pastel kelp
The Discord is on there if they want it, and the guides are all right there. lol
spiral brook
Their discord is also in the pins of this channel 🙂
carmine plank
the guides on the site are all from last expansion
rotund seal
If anyone on crystal wants to pvp on ANY mode or role add me on here send me a message and let's get something going.
lament eagle
neon knot
what do you need?
viscid sentinel
pale vortex
WHY FEAST TAKE SO LONG
I love playing it so much but it’s gaslighting me with these average wait times that keep getting longer
!faq flmeta
surreal tokenBOT
fringe tiger
The only way to get sword oath as PLD is by intervene?
deft oriole
oof this is pvp chat
fringe tiger
Yeah, that's why I asked
deft oriole
Yes, intervene is the only source of Sword Oath.
fringe tiger
Kk
fringe tiger
Color me salty, but I signed up for Immortal Flames as my GC when I started the game and the last 4 games they've won undeniably while I get put in the other GCs.
Heck random GC placement, lol
sonic copper
It's always like this.
If you end up playing for yours then you will lose.
If you end up in a different one, then they will win
bright bolt
The answer is easy. Get battle high V and kill everything that moves.
opaque pasture
Every PvP match I’ve been in have been one sided slaughters...
pale vortex
what are we talking? Feast? RW? I can’t imagine FL being one-sided tho it can happen...
I want to play The Feast so badly but the queue never pops for me
._.
so sad
spiral brook
Sometimes one team just eats paint and is so far behind they're barely a factor.
I've had a decent amount of frontlines end with something like 1600v1200v300
pale vortex
this was before they did the GC freelance thing right? I’m glad this GC lock is no longer a thing. I just want to play! sure winning is great but if we lose who cares. still fun! 🙂
wicked wolf
maybe if you're not after anything
but a lot of people want the mounts from pvp
like the people cheering when they get their 100th win in Rival Wings
deft oriole
It's
not a focus
of most players or of the dev team
it's very much side content.
It's fun enough, and there are some die-hard players.
But if PvP is a major draw for you in MMOs, this might not be the one for you.
formal basalt
Pvp is a big deal and also the gameplay aswell is important both pve and pvp are important
kind yacht
is there a guide for rotations
carmine plank
for which job?
wet oracle
kind yacht
samurai
carmine plank
You generally just want to gcd spam on closest or pressure targets to build kenki, which is one of SAM’s two main resources, in between your midare windows. You can also enpi to build when approaching or if targets are far away. Kenki is a multi-use resource for Chiten (defensive counter), Gyoten (aggression/retreat tool), and Shinten (very good pressure ogcd). You can spam shinten between gcd for a soft burst or after a hard burst to apply pressure. Hard burst usually consists of midare -> shinten -> proc’d instant midare -> shinten -> proc’d GCD -> shinten spam if necessary. Smite ogcd if target is very low, and you can fit 3-stack shoha into any ogcd window during burst if it’s capped (the meditation stacks for shoha are SAM’s 2nd resource).
from pvpaissa's samurai channel
fringe tiger
Is it not possible for me to kill things as a PLD unless they're AFK/Suck?
amber escarp
is paladin good in pvp ?
worthy rose
"hmm I wonder why we lost so horribly"
and the alex guy had the balls to call us a bad team
I'm not even sure how a guy collects 220 ceruleum and never gets attacked ever when we were getting stomped in
pale vortex
I’m still learning PLD in PvP but it definitely doesn’t suck! just gotta make sure you’re utilizing your spell drains and defensive buffs efficiently and you can be a major force to help change the tide of the game
willow crescent
Are pvp queues dead?
normal cloud
fleet nebula
Really depends on the Data center. And if people still farm tomestones
young lava
is the right way to play PLD frontline is to stay far away and Requiescat + Holy spirit/Confiteor things down?
icy oak
Apex tooltip is broken right?
http://puu.sh/FXStG.jpg this never deals damage to people in a line infront of me
near rock
Is there a server that is best for pvp queues on Crystal?
spiral brook
Nope, all servers on a datacenter use the same queue
near rock
Thanks for the answer! I was able to get a queue to pop by playing later in the evening.
iron sandal
Ight this question is going to sound really stupid, but for some reason I can’t figure it out:
How do you correctly use standard step/technical step as dancer in PvP? It only shows two of the possible 4 dance buttons, as the abilities that transform into the others seem to be hidden inside the combo button
spiral brook
Fan Dance 1 and Fan Dance 2 become your other dance buttons for Standard/Technical
fringe tiger
Wow, first time I decided to try and see what max battle-high was like
I still feel like I don't hit that hard, but I sure as heck felt like I wasn't dying lol
plucky prairie
tanks can usually kill ranged with one rotation at full stacks
frank sierra
hello ive never actually tried to play pvp before and am actually a little interested now
remote merlin
To bad it's so dead that no one can answer your I never tried PvP question in a timely manner
(When the largest xiv discord PvP tab is dead omegalul it tells you something about xiv's PvP 
)
plucky prairie
pvpaissa is the where people will tell you to go for ffxiv pvp info
wheat cargo
there was no question though?
PvP is something that can be tried though without much prior knowledge
remote monolith
PvP is something I do for the huge exp boost, but I don't play it seriously
all I can really say is, make sure you teleport to the PvP city so you can set up your PvP hotbar, and practice on the dummies to make sure it feels decent
Then when you jump into PvP, just stay with the group. Don't get attached to finishing anyone off because you literally can't finish anyone off unless you're with other allies
just go from point to point capturing, and when the group moves you need to move
upbeat lotus
Yeah, that's a good intro for Frontlines /Rival Wings PvP. They are very easy to get into, learn a bit about your kit, and get some rewards. A lot of the concentrated community hubs for PvP in FFXIV are located elsewhere, I would suggest placing your interest in those for any further PvP engagement.
hasty lodge
Pvp has been lively lately
upbeat lotus
For Crystal, it's definitely just people farming tomestones in FL/RW, Feast is delegated to community events.
novel path
carmine plank
it's currently a solo ranked season, and games are pretty sparse right now. It'll pick up again with the start of a new season.
frank flicker
Looking for any SAM PvP mentor on Chaos willing to 1v1
amber escarp
Doing Rival Wings for the first time, anyone wanna jump in with me? Leon Grace (Balmung).
fringe tiger
Is there an active PvP discord, at least more active than this channel? lol
upbeat lotus
Yes, I wanted them to update links to add but I also think the pin should work in this channel
Yep. PvPaissa and Revival Wings are two discords dedicate to PvP and are located in the pins of the channel.
Both focus on all PvP generally speaking, though Paissa is more catered towards Feast/Arena while Revival Wings is more catered towards Frontlines/Rival Wings.
fringe tiger
Is there somewhere here I can ask about macros? Specifically, a pvp proc macro.
/merror
/pvpac "Glory Slash" <mo>
/pvpac "Glory Slash" <t>```
Won't work@fringe tiger Since Glory Slash replaces the Prominence Combo action under Sword Oath, you have to replace glory slash with prominence combo in the macro.
/micon "Glory Slash" pvpaction /pvpac "Prominence Combo" <t>
fringe tiger
REALLY now? You just put "combo"?!
carmine plank
it worked for me
deft oriole
It’s one button
carmine plank
Although the skill name changes I guess the game still recognizes it as you pressing the prominence combo button
fringe tiger
Thanks. I wish the macro system queued, but I'll gladly take some time-loss to be able to perfectly aim my aoe into a crowd
instead of franctically trying to click someone lol
deft oriole
@fringe tiger queue problem can be alleviated by repeating the action line as many times as you can
Also put the /micon and /merror lines at the very bottom of the macro
fringe tiger
How does that work in the case of combining a <t> and a <mo>?
deft oriole
Game reads macros one line at a time, one line per frame
fringe tiger
just rotate spam them
Per frame?
So that means, more FPS you have the worse macros run?
fringe tiger
Oh okay
deft oriole
Less delay
Anyway if you have /pvpac “prominence combo” <mo> repeated 10 times
Then you have a period of 10 frames where the game will be attempting to perform that action
And if there is no mouseover target then it’ll execute the final <t> line by the 11th frame
This means that if you just press it normally on a regular targeted target then yes there will be a ten frame delay
Because it will try to do it on mouseover target ten times first.
This is related to why it’s recommended to put /micon and /merror at the bottom not the top
Because the game takes one frame to read/execute each of those lines
So that makes a two-frame delay at the start of your macro
deft oriole
Yes but it will make your <mo> more efficient by simulating “queueing”
There’s always a caveat of some kind with macros
upbeat lotus
If you are afraid of missing a frame of <t> or <mo> just alternate them unless you actually have a real priority order of mouseover vs target.
worthy rose
ez healz
trail meteor
Hi people, does anyone know when the Feast ends and is it even worth starting now?
remote merlin
Lollollollol
It's dead this late in a season
So not worth starting
And it ends whenever they release next patch
trail meteor
Ah OK, I'll keep an eye out for next season
twin jackal
Anyone here queuing up for Rival Wings? We're trying to start it up right now.
pseudo pulsar
Super late but damn, wish I looked in this channel sooner. I’m looking to do rival wings as well if anyone else is trying to play. I don’t know about you guys but the queue times for me are horrendous. I know dps queues are long but jeez. I haven’t been able to play a single match
remote merlin
I think rival wings died on crystal
Yesterday there was a Saturday community event to pop it which it did for a few games but I think it's done for other days for now
Just Frontlines
If you wanna pvp
pseudo pulsar
Ah, I see
I’ll try frontline again. That might be dead too because the queue time was just as long
Maybe I just have bad luck
remote merlin
Nah Frontline does pop
@pseudo pulsar
Usually picked up around 10-11am pst
It probably popped by now at least once
whole token
hey i want to get into pvp where do i start?
carmine plank
frontlines!
remote merlin
@carmine plank
I can't believe that your gonna get r1
Feast is so dead the usual r1'ers stopped that now we're seeing new r1'ers
That goes for Nola to
Appa doesn't count for crystal though that's a alt
carmine plank
Dumb luck. I was just the only sch regular on primal, plenty of others that should have it instead. Who knows people may queue up in dark week still.
remote merlin
Doubt it
I doubt anyone wants to pop it after months most moved on
The unsubbed just waiting till Aug 11 to renew
Know plenty of feasters not subbed
I
Our current boards probably the final one with maybe some inchers around the 85-100 4 dark week
@carmine plank
From my knowledge from trends and stuff since s1 lol
Probs gold x plat
Diamond x plat or all Diamond would be surprising
bitter escarp
So i want to get into pvp, im a lvl 67mnk and when entering the wolves den i noticed my skills were grouped? Like in combos? Is that the only way to use them? , also i tried to do the training match and couldnt get a group for 1 hour lol
deft oriole
Yes, jobs’ PvP kits are unique from their PvE kits
Combos are combined into one button.
If you really wanted them on multiple buttons I suppose you could just copy the combo action onto multiple buttons...
You can practice on striking dummies on the top floor of the ship or on one of the jetties by the dueling circle.
Feast is pretty dead when it’s not the beginning of a new ranked season. Frontline and Rival Wings both pop during peak times, but not so much at this time.
fringe tiger
Does anyone have any recent content on PLD pvp? I want to know fi I'm doing something wrong, or if this class is just a useless POS in PvP right now
fringe tiger
Okay I found the trick. I just somehow have to get max battle high as PLD
azure sky
how do i target people in frontlines?
i tried clicking but i literally cannot like
pinpoint someone in the endless crowd of people
bitter escarp
I use tab in pc but had to cycle thru a lot lol, still new to frontlines tho, dont know if theres an easier way
deft oriole
It’s a little tricky
Setting a keybind to target nearest enemy may help, depending on the situation
Also if someone has been marked, you can click on the marker above their head
Which is a pretty large target
fringe tiger
Sooner they nerf Dragoon the better. Why the crap is this class literally filling up almost every top-15 (or even top-20) slot for damage dealt?
It's a melee class, with crazy ranged pressure. It might as well be a damn sniper.
carmine plank
dragoon now has to run over and pick up their lance after piercing talon
dragoons now take fall damage upon executing their jump abilities
ionic bone
new to FF14 right now strugglin to level up any tips dont know if this is the right chat to ask
remote merlin
Umm
This is a dead PvP chat so you should look at another channel c:
"# questions-and-help" go there and ask if you haven't already :) @ionic bone
ionic bone
@remote merlin ty just got out of work so pretty tired and read it as player&player ty for the info
remote merlin
Np
bitter escarp
Liked the dead pvp chat lol
remote merlin
It's trueeee
Lol
PvP just not a strong suit in this game and it's fine the pve quality is awesome in xiv
It's already enough to make it a awesome mmo :3
fringe tiger
The PvP is very bad, with probably one of it's core issues being click registration. Click registration plagues the whole game though, PvE and PvP
Funny enough though, I think if click registration was better in this game then PvP would be even more broken
fringe tiger
I highly doubt server tickrate has anything to do with click registration. I know Asian game developers are archaic when it comes to game coding but there can't be any way in heck clicking is server sided. It has to be client only
deft oriole
It is
fringe tiger
If that were true then I wouldn't be able to click things when my internet cuts out
sacred dawn
it doesn't register inputs between ticks so you have to be spamming your buttons for them to go off
sacred dawn
🙏 it is known
atomic narwhal
"PvP in this game sucks" "We know"
upbeat lotus
Old news yeah, we just play cause we're bored now.
The state of cognitive dissonance players have (at least those heavily focused on PvE optimization and competitive PvP) with this game is really strong, myself included. A lot of the justification comes from the connections we make with other players, though it's hardly an excuse.
crisp lichen
bitter escarp
Yes but no
sacred dawn
it's fun because the alternatives are somehow even worse
as much as we shitpost about the bad meta and one note gameplay
at least things like this aren't happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POYWpc2FSro
bitter escarp
ESOs pvp was fun, but man o man cyrodill was a lagfest
sacred dawn
could you get randomly killed by space lasers from someone not even hitting you
because that's wow pvp rn
lost steeple
WoW PvP outside of classic is an absolute mess where you can only be the best if you’re a hardcore raider/mythic dungeon runner
And classic is just well
You know what you’re getting into
The ultimate grind
sacred dawn
wow pvp is so bad i gave up on the game and went to xiv
and frankly even with the janky responsiveness and tiny playerbase, this is still a better design space than the shitfest bfa's become
carmine plank
being able to change jobs whenever you want and gear not mattering is what won me over
doesn't matter if your job isn't fotm cause you can easily switch between whatever you want. level 30 isn't much of a barrier
upbeat lotus
Yeah, accessibility goes a long way.
carmine plank
"There won't be major updated to PVP in 5.3, but they are working on little adjustments for casual matches"
nerf drg + sch/drk or riot
upbeat lotus
at least we called it
fringe tiger
Is drk that strong in pvp?
I run pld in front lines, the amount of work I have to put in to get battle high and the down time suck
I switched to dnc for a game and I lit everything up getting 2nd place damage while barely knowing what's up lol
upbeat lotus
the meta is mostly a feast thing
FL doesn't really matter, as the players are their worst enemy rather than most jobs not named DRG
tanks have to snowball with assists or kill securing, but even then it's not meant to be huge for most tanks not named GNB
PLD has the benefit of rotating rampart+retaliation and Hallowed when diving into the enemy to AoE chip them and allow your team to secure kills against more than one target/create a lot of pressure that forces the enemy to play defensively.
fringe tiger
Unfortunately the "aoe chip" is laughable until you got +80 bh
upbeat lotus
It really isn't
It's honestly pretty good for Onsal atm
especially if you can get a duo tank to help you mitigate while pressuring
fringe tiger
When I AoE as PLD, healthbars barely flinch. When I AoE as RDM or DNC, healthbars actually move
So many healers and whatnot
upbeat lotus
I play on your data center's frontline as well, I run with a PLD and DRK and we can snowball BH3 early if our team can press buttons (or if we premade with a DRG)
fringe tiger
Yeah but that's on your team though
Even Suhr shares my thoughts
If you aren't premading, you essentially just feel like a giant scarecrow
upbeat lotus
It all depends on the influence you bring
fringe tiger
Not really any harm, just scares the crap out of the newbies when they see an enemy in their face lol
upbeat lotus
Which is a convo I've had with him before about it.
You're always rolling the dice to some degree, but you can mitigate it and increase your chances of winning.
And as good as Suhr is, I would trust Albert's opinion since he has more games/wins in FL
upbeat lotus
I still hang with him and some of the other Aether people that don't really hang in Paissa
fringe tiger
Cause at a lot of times I feel completely useless as PLD even if I rack up top 5 or top 3 in total damage done
upbeat lotus
Granted, Albert has mostly moved on and plays Smash now
fringe tiger
fringe tiger
jeeze, the burst potential of DNC is insane
sacred dawn
FL has no agency
in a 24v24v24 environment where half the people are probably afking for the roulette xp bonus, there's no joy to be had
it's a terrible game mode that frankly is a terrible introduction to pvp
they should end forced freelancer or give back 8 man premades so you can actually make a difference if you try
amber escarp
is this the best section in the server?
if you dont like FL try rival wings 🙂
there's something for everyone to do. are you good at pvp? go on foot and put up pressure on the map. are you dog shit? go collect CE. are you meh? go pilot mechs
and i swear if any of you says "but its complicated too many pve elements" ima go nuts. its literally on your hud so its easy to keep track of
sacred dawn
yeah rival wings is the actually good large scale pvp mode
its like what wow's ashran was trying to be
basically a large moba
amber escarp
ya rival wings best mode right no. no random 3rd place team fucking you over. potential to carry if you're good. potential for nice even fun matches
got off on the wrong foot with astragalos and peoples minds have been made up since
:naout:
damn.
sacred dawn
fringe tiger
Ever since I've gotten much better as PLD I've noted I've been winning a lot more of my FL
but in the end it does come down to rng
I can be in the enemies face hitting +10 people with holy circles or charging in and cleaving people with cone aoe
but if my team doesn't follow up then it just feels like noodles
Also, since I made my OS cursor larger
it's much easier to keep track of it in fights now
I feel like as PLD I'm much more useless in Rival Wings
Simply because I don't have high damage output, and there aren't as many chokes
I'm an annoying undying 1v1 pest in mid though
amber escarp
pld is okay although warrior is prob the best for dmg up and hg
but as pld you can push the mammets up and kill any mechs that come out of spawn
you have a gap closer and instant cast ranged attack
confetti help a bit fighting train and the merc
testudo is good too for contesting big objectives like train and merc
marble stump
Hello everyone interested in getting into PvP! There are two great resources for both ranked PvP and casual maps.
PvPaissa discord is a central hub where you can meet experienced mentors that are willing to help you learn how to play. They also have guides written by community members as well as a website which shows upcoming events like community ran tournaments.
Discord invite: https://discord.gg/z8Fj95q
Website: https://pvpaissa.com/
There's also the Revival Wings server where PvP fans can meet, talk strategy, share guides and group up
Discord invite: https://discord.gg/xJFZzzh
General PvP guides compiled by our friends at PvPaissa:
Basic guide and tips for 5.x Feast by Audacity
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WXaoLV7t53O24yNYUBxvzY7EQmDPgOGpNMIAXjb8Jwk/edit#
General starter guide by Brian Ricardo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rU7uWJFHk
Official Feast Rules Page:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/wolvesden/thefeast/
Beginner's Guide to Feast by Frosty Mogborn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sATDhl6bnQE&feature=youtu.be
Basic Guide and Tips to Feast by Kori:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11XfLwZkrm2A2KwsD9O-MBsOPfrhK6EUESlCqQaCbZEQ/edit
Minimalist fundamentals guide by Nikoza Envy:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xeN5LKJGmAL5SLctqt8mGx7k4cXRaEPjEpgyl2J2JXY/edit#
Communication Basics by Marshal Renew
https://pvpaissa.com/article/feast-burst-communication-and-opportunity
Line of sight guide by Dynamic Taru:
https://pvpaissa.com/article/wolves-academy-ep-1-line-sight
Self-improvement and dealing with the emotional ups and downs of PvP by Kisada Exis:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15AA6n9TxRLmiRzzezLnBh7dsuZeBtcr4XqBQSRdIxHk/edit
marble stump
General PvP guides compiled by our friends at PvPaissa:
Basic guide and tips fo...
Hopefully those are a little more current (: Happy to make any changes or add additional pins if there's a need
dense dagger
Hello everyone! Divine Zr of Gilgamesh from the Aether data center 
Just wanted to introduce our organization ARGO.
ARGO is a an organization made by a group of veteran gamers with the ambition to expand the horizons of competitive play in FINAL FANTASY XIV in both PvE and PvP.
Currently we hold ARGO Frontlines event which entails players competing to get the highest DMG, highest KILLS or HEALING done in a match.
We also hold ARGO Rival Wings event with our partner https://discord.gg/revivalwings . Just like frontlines, players compete to get the highest KILLs and HEALING done in a match.
The events are currently only in the Aether data center.
Prizes vary every week from in game GIL to an item from the FFXIV Online St
re.
For more information in regards to participating in an event & ARGO, visit our website or discord!
Website: https://www.argo.gg/
Discord: https://discord.gg/aePNBh9
amber escarp
remote merlin
All this spam about a gamemode that will never improve
And guides that will be outdated
Stop trying to do squares job
Let them Actually do something positive about there games pvp
It's sad that the community has to put in more effort then the devs to let newcomers learn lmaooo
wheat cargo
Why you gotta be so negative 
At least some people are trying to have fun
PvP is enjoyable to some, and thats all that matters for now, even if we're aware of the problems it has
remote merlin
Because as a vet player of many years of this pvp I had it
It's just a joke
I know it will always just be the bastard child that they pay child support for
spiral brook
You can say the same thing about job guides for PvE. 
remote merlin
At least pve gets updated regularly
spiral brook
It gets updated about the same rate as PVP, in terms of balancing
PVP more often, sometimes
remote merlin
I meant content wise
Idk anything about pve balance
I mostly play this games pvp sadly
And in term of balancing for pvp they are always negatively received since they really don't like listening to pvp feedback
At least for pve Yoshi p is listening
When does Yoshi p ever go in depth about pvp changes
And I'm upset because they are throwing a season back to back when this current season of the feast is the most negatively received one in terms of balance
They said minimal changes
It's gonna be another unfun mess
sacred dawn
idk idt this season seems that bad compared to the previous one with dnc cancer
amber escarp
Rival Wings best mode. FL can be too if competitive players play it. Argo is trying to make that a reality so I’m all for it
Feast eh I’m not a fan but I’m also burned out after playing it since launch and seeing SE go the wrong way with it over time
leaden bane
Funny, considering the person making that statement.
amber escarp
sacred dawn
i mean honestly from the perspective of someone who's only played one season
almost every single problem in the feast meta comes down to biolysis/edge uptime being too high
imo those debuffs should only be available for burst windows
instead of passively draining all healer mana because you have to spam max throughput 100% of the time to make healthbars move
hardy tangle
Just don’t play feast :<
wary nymph
Feast is still my fav mode high tier matches are still pretty fun even in this meta. The issue is if someone plays top comp aka drk, sch, drg you basically have to mirror it
Scrims and diamond matches
sacred dawn
tbh if not for sch/drk/drg, whm/war vuln up meta would also be obnoxious and dominating
amber escarp
bring back broken 3.x
sacred dawn
20% dmg up isn't quite as strong as 40% heal down
but it's the same issue at heart, uptime on debuffs is too high
so healer mana just falls off a cliff
carmine plank
drk was meta last season before anyone was playing sch and drg wasn't as good.
top ranked tanks across data centers looked like this
80% of top healers were whm too. The potential to stack dmg up was there, drk is just really, really good.
but war got some buffs since then so I can see them coming back into play without heal down meta
fringe tiger
jfc nerf DRG already
dense dagger
remote merlin
sacred dawn
drk last season had other unique elements of the toolkit with draw-in though and plunge stun
those things are gone now
and yeah 5.0 war was actual ass because of how bad the potency was
carmine plank
there was no plunge stun or draw in unique to drk last season. the tanks got homogenized in like 5.1 or something.
last season started at 5.18 after they took that stuff out
amber escarp
Is anyone still playing Fields of Glory (Shatter) anymore?
I'm finding quite a few things I want to unlock through achievements are locked behind Fields of Glory but the queue time for that mode never pops
carmine plank
Onsal is the only map in the frontline roulette at the moment, so that's the only map people play. The roulette is going back to using all the maps with patch 5.3.
It'll be 1 frontline map in the roulette each day. so like seal rock, then borderland ruins, then fields of glory, then onsal, then seal rock again.
It'll have a set rotation, so will have to prioritize the days where fields of glory is the selected map.
amber escarp
Ohhh okay, I was under the assumption that all the PvP modes were still in rotation, that makes more sense now
I didn't know that they had suspended the roulette for only Onsal, what a shame, it's not even that fun to be frank
carmine plank
It was the newest map released with 5.1 and I guess they wanted to give people adaquate time to farm the 100 win mount? I dunno.
amber escarp
Oh there's a 100 mount for this too? Darn, I guess I'll try to farm this out while it's being spammed
amber escarp
the mounts get collected much faster when you play it for fun lol
fringe tiger
Yes
spark dock
Pvp rotation for mch?
amber escarp
pvp doesnt really have a rotation
you hit your 1-2-3 while building burst then you hit all your buttons at once
sacred dawn
don't play mch
just... don't
you will likely get rage whispers from people telling you to stop trolling after games if you q as mch
like as hard as we all meme about the oppressive meta mch is another tier of Bad
playing mch now is like playing sch in 5.0... probably should be against ToS
amber escarp
yeah in feast mch is dog shit. i figured he was playing casual modes though
so you can play mch and its literally...hit 1-2-3 then hit all your buttons lol
spiral brook
MCH feels pretty ok in frontline 
carmine plank
@spark dock I don't play mch but someone said their burst rotation is Bioblaster >Wildfire + Concentrate > Drill > Gauss Round + Gauss Round > Air Anchor > Gauss Round
sacred dawn
blank is in the rotation for optimal potency
spark dock
Jesus
I just started playing frontlines after returning to the game and was interested in pvp
sacred dawn
play a diff job
dnc
brd
just not mch
i think general consensus says it's the only job that's actively detrimental to success based on current balance
carmine plank
It's frontlines. Play whatever you like, no one cares :p
There was a dedicated mch player on crystal that comfortably hit top 100 as well. But yes, it really is the worst job right now. Some small balance changes will be coming with 5.3, so maybe it'll get a little love there.
amber escarp
ya drg good. even if you're clueless just mash your ranged abilities and you'll be more useful than on a ranged dps lol
ranged dps are good too though. cometeor is spicy. but requires some positioning brain and a team to follow up
remote merlin
Lmao
amber escarp
rival wings popping on aether. weekly competition in prog too
check out the pins for more info
formal tundra
amber escarp
Big brain plays
amber escarp
feast training popping. just make sure you read up before you qup aether data center
fringe tiger
One day... I'll break top-3
amber escarp
Almost 🐊
fringe tiger
I'm trying to do it as PLD
solemn shard
amber escarp
amber escarp
spice condor
fringe tiger
What am I looking at here?
amber escarp
I think damage
amber escarp
I’m looking at them kills
amber escarp
amber escarp
Reminder that revival wings has scheduled times for rival wings today. Also testing a new lfg system.
storm plover
I'm new to the game, but I have been PvPing for a bit over 20 levels now (Frontlines).
Here is a few screenshots of my "outstanding" games that I had. All of them being wins in the end. Is there anything that I need to improve on as a Paladin?
amber escarp
Hard to say without a vod since fights aren’t scripted in PvE
When it comes to PvP help it’s best to have specific questions.
IE: when should I HG? Who should I stun? Who should I target? Who should I mark?
A VoD would be the most helpful though. Reality is that in FL it’s kind of a mess of rush down and hard to even improve from playing in there.
Rival Wings and Feast are where you want to go for a chance of improvement.
Wait a sec
You aren’t even in the PvP discord servers lol
That would be the first step tbh
storm plover
@amber escarp
Good point. I have basically tuned in my focus to healers & mages to reduce their BH without overextending.
HG can be iffy because I notice that it will go off, goes on cooldown and I didn't get the buff. Not sure if thats ping related though.
Our stun is extremely useful, but the kit really feels gutted. I wish we had Shield Bash 😂
I actually don't mark targets. I should start focusing on that for quicker bursts from the group.
I'll try to get some VODs in the future and can you direct me to the PvP discord?
amber escarp
Ya they’re in pins but I’ll post them here.
https://discord.gg/revivalwings
Revival Wings is focused on rival wings but we also have frontline channels. We have a LFG system for both.
PvPaissa is the all around guide server but it has more feast players
storm plover
Thanks
amber escarp
no prob my guy
fringe tiger
@storm plover
You need to aoe more.
In giant zergs, especially middle, you want to go in and aoe when rampart is ready. Hallowed ground is an escape tool. So you can use it when trying to escape after aoe if you see yourself taking lots of damage. Spam your medkit while escaping if you're taking damage.
If hallowed ground is not up you are taking a huge risk diving. All it takes is one stun or one root and you're dead inside of a zerg.
I also highly suggest investing in a mouse over prominence macro because your gap closer changes your 360aoe into a cone aoe which requires a target. Since clicking in this game is complete ass you might try and frantically click to use it after charging in. Also if your target gets off of your range you can't use it either. It's really poorly designed.
Know when to dive as tank. If you're entire team is retreating from a zerg, chances are they aren't going to turn around and fight when they see you dive.
You don't do a lot of aoe damage, you're a scarecrow. You're job is to create chaos in the enemy as they freak out that someone is in their face. Once you get high battle high, you're a decent threat in aoe.
Mouse over low blow is pretty good too.
From everyone that I've talked to, paladin is a shit show for pvp right now
Compared to the other tanks
storm plover
What do you mean in mouse over on prominence and lowblow?
Also pally seems fine to me, but I do want a bit mote utility. I'm used to tanks in most games having way less than pally provides here.
I've went toe to toe with DK, Monk, Samurai, DRG, and gunbreaker and usually come out on top.. but thats during those weird 1v1s on a node before the group gets there.
amber escarp
he means so you dont have to click to use those moves
its personal preference. idk i dont find targeting difficult but some folks do and find other methods to use things
sacred dawn
the easy answer is to not play frontlines
a terrible gamemode with next to zero personal agency
amber escarp
Yeah tbh I hate FL
Used to focus feast. Lately though rival wings really is the most fun mode since it offered something for all skill levels while also having the most carry potential
fringe tiger
People say they've never had issues, some say it's very apparent.
I think it's very apparent and the people who say they never have any issues probably don't notice it because they aren't trying to click during fast motion.
This is the issue:
https://www.twitch.tv/3ybx/clip/NimbleArtisticNewtWOOP
No, this isn't just a friendly thing nor even just a PvP thing. This applies to the entire game.
FUN FACT: If you left-click and then right-click very quickly, your left click doesn't get registered for targeting.
amber escarp
I don’t have issues and I’ve been heavily doing PvP for a while
It’s not perfect sure but with experience it’s fine
fringe tiger
That's normalizing it
How can you tell me the above video is fine?
I've never had click issues like this in any other MMO
fringe tiger
I'm aware, that's what I do now
UI elements register clicks better than models
That doesn't mean it's "fine"
amber escarp
It makes it fair because if that wasn’t the case small lala would be impossible to target
fringe tiger
What in the logic
amber escarp
Names are always in the same area
fringe tiger
Every MMO I've played has clickable nameplates
amber escarp
What is there that you don't understand? That's how the game is built whether you agree with it or not. You said it yourself you KNOW to target the names now
fringe tiger
So how is everything's model being awful for click registration somehow making it "fair"...?
amber escarp
So, like I said, you get used to it. You did
fringe tiger
Yeah, but that doesn't mean click registration in this game isn't terrible
So then you have ran into the issue, you just circumvent it now by clicking UI elements like nameplates because those register better
I've never had another game where I absolutely had to aim for nameplates rather than models
Also I use mouse to move forward a lot so I get double-screwed by the fact that I can't left-click to target then immediately right-click to move forward. If I do it too quick, my click doesn't register
This is why I suggest mouseover macros, because not only do they work for UI elements but as well as the model itself. It just sucks that you can't queue them
storm plover
I mean your playstyle is very different. I also don't mouse click skills, click party members from the party UI and usually have autorun on when I'm clicking a specific target (or strafeing)... soo yeah. That sucks, but different playstyles don't run into the issue it seems o.o
Also, being a tank - I don't really need to click others or else I just focus target them (like focus targeting a healer to throw intervention) so I could see it being annoying for healers and long distance players
I'm still interested in this mouse over macro though, if you could send me an example in DMs or the one that you recommend. I haven't played with any macros in this game yet.
amber escarp
I believe the command is <mo> but keep in mind it slows you down significantly
fringe tiger
macroing for pvp is a bit more different
you can't be like
/action "Riot Blade" <mo>
for pvp
it's gotta be
/pvpaction "Riot Blade" <mo>
but also there are "combos" in PvP
So if you wanted to mouseover "Glory Slash" (the cone-aoe) in pvp
you'd have to do, I believe
/pvpac "Prominence Combo" <mo>
but keep in mind that will prevent you from using regular 360 aoe if you don't hav ea target in mouseover
so you have to have a regular
/pvpac "Prominence Combo"
without any target modifiers
People try to circumvent the macro lag system in pvp by having the lines spammed in their macros
So instead of a single
/pvpac "Prominence Combo" <mo>
it's
/pvpac "Prominence Combo" <mo>
/pvpac "Prominence Combo" <mo>
/pvpac "Prominence Combo" <mo>
so on and so on
I use a combination of autorun, strafe keys, and both mouse buttons to move around
amber escarp
Rival Wings gonna start popping in 30mins on Aether 🙂 competition going on this week too. Join us at https://discord.gg/revivalwings
amber escarp
Had pops going well into the night last night. I went to bed at 3AM EST and it was still going. We're going again tonight. Join up and make sure to add our new LFG role to play with others
amber escarp
Rival Wings starting again on all NA data centers in 1 hour 🙂
warped latch
How is pvp in this game
amber escarp
You get what you put into it
If you put in the effort and enjoy improving its enjoyable.
If you just want the rewards and expect it to be doable hitting one button you won’t have fun.
If you’re okay with losing and use it as a motivator to improve you’ll enjoy it
There are servers in the pins that are good resources. Revival Wings and PvPaissa are good places to start
Argo if you want to join weekly competitions
storm plover
I would call myself a hardcore PvPer in most games and I'm enjoying it. You can jump in directly at level 30 and don't have to worry about a gear gap, more so - the way that you play and interact with your team to determine your win ^^
PvP skills are completely separate from the PVE ones though, so if you weren't aware of that - be prepared.
amber escarp
Silence is golden... lol
There are constant updates to PvP. Are they good? Depends on who you ask. Pots are probably the best feature for casual modes. It's absolutely terrible for feast though
amber escarp
Training popping on Aether
bitter escarp
@storm plover whats your favorite pvp mode?
amber escarp
storm plover
Sorry for late reply, I was spending time with girlfriend.
I would say I'm enjoying Frontlines and starting to dabble into Rival Wings because the robots add a different level of gameplay that I'm not used to. I'm still fairly new to the PvP scene in FF14, but I've enjoyed those so far.
amber escarp
Rival Wings best mode
People are just intimidated by there being objectives on timers to keep track of
bitter escarp
Idk, ive played 3 games of frontline but feel like i cant kill anyone (as a mnk), rival wings as lastdragoon says doesnt really call me bc of the robots
amber escarp
Just ignore them lol. I never use mechs
storm plover
@bitter escarp build your battle high in frontlines with assists & kills. Once your BH is high enough, your damage starts skyrocketing in combos. Every time you die, you lose some BH.
Idk how Monk gap closers are, if any, but I know that I see monks getting kills. As in most games, I don't expect to outfrag ranged DPS as a melee character.
amber escarp
no mech life 👀
bitter escarp
Gonna have to give it a go lol, still trying to finish the msq, does gear matter on pvp here? Is it sync?
storm plover
As far as I'm aware and from my performances, its equalized stats at level 80 minus the in-PvP effects (like Battle High explained above).
(I did PvP from lvl 30 to 54 so far)
catching up my msq haha.. just got to level 37ish on msq
amber escarp
Ye stats are normalized and abilities are the same for everyone
deft oriole
You can PvP naked and be on the same playing field as everyone else
Gear has no effect
rough dune
Hey boys. New guy here. I can start pvp at lvl 30? Where exactly or what should I find/enable/do to pvp or enter to some queue?
deft oriole
Yes, as long as you're level 30 and have upgraded your class to its job (e.g. gladiator > paladin)
The Wolves' Den, which is basically the PvP lobby area is unlocked through the quest "A Pup No Longer" at your Grand Company's headquarters.
That will also unlock the Feast, which is the 4v4 PvP mode with a ranked mode with seasonal rankings
Frontline, the casual 24v24v24 large-scale mode, is unlocked through the quest "Like Civilised Men and Women", also at Grand Company headquarters
And finally Rival Wings, which is a 24v24 MOBA-inspired mode, is unlocked by the quest "Earning Your Wings" at the aforementioned Wolves' Den.
At the Wolves' Den, you can set up your PvP hotbars and practice your PvP skills on striking dummies
rough dune
Oh perfect so there are 3 modes of pvp right now and mostly around the company headquarter. Perfect. Thanks a lot for answer buddy...
brazen aspen
are there still people actively playing pvp?
spiral brook
it's pretty quiet currently due to being the tail-end of a patch, but things will certainly pick back up once 5.3 hits and the other frontline maps are added back to the map rotation for frontline 'roulette'
brazen aspen
Ah good so a temporary drought then
Because out of all the matches I've played I've been getting a good amount of exp from them
amber escarp
storm plover
Frontlines pops frequently between 3pm to 11pm eastern time for me (10 mins or less wait time for ques, usually insta pops if you reque immediately after a match).
During the early morning and early day, Frontlines queues are around 30-60 mins a match due to people being busy with RL
Rival wings has a discord for grouping/organizing.
I haven't done Feast yet, so can't tell you.
brazen aspen
Discord?
bitter escarp
Lmaoooo
flint lily
amber escarp
sacred dawn
queues are popping for ranked feast on aether and primal apparently
fringe tiger
Mine would be HECK CLICKING
Followed by "WHY IS MACROS BAD AND MOUSEOVER NOT BASE GAME?"
cinder sphinx
Macro = fancy name for botting
amber escarp
you can just click the enemy party list in feast
fierce delta
People, is there a way for me to join the feast nowadays? Or it's impossible?
carmine plank
A new season is starting next week on the 11th. You can for sure start getting games next week if you can't find any at the moment.
fierce delta
ok
amber escarp
Rival Wings popping tomorrow on all data centers.
https://discord.gg/revivalwings
Join up. Read up. QUP
upbeat lotus
Yeah, a lot of Crystal's PvP is currently training matches and custom matches at the moment. @fierce delta
amber escarp
Rival Wings popping on all NA data centers at 8pm est. or 3.5 hours from this message. Hook up. Read up. QUP
amber escarp
Oh hello everyone, my name is Emma, I run a fair bit of frontlines on Goblin in the Crystal server. If anyone ever wants to play I would be happy to group up. I run WHM and Mix of Warrior/GNB mainly. But I have dps classes if you ever need me to run that!
amber escarp
Revival Wings has a pretty active FL section. More than most I’ve seen tbh
cinder sphinx
hows the pvp work now is nothing scaled after a certain level?
just wondering bc im finding my self very dead very quickly
like before you can even cast a 1.5 second heal
after popping all the instant stuff
carmine plank
levels and gear don't matter. Only thing that will boost someones damage output is buffs/debuffs or battle high
neon knot
If you are playing as a healer is best to stay in a group. You deal almost no damage on your own and get overwhelmed quickly.
Learn to recognize the battle high symbols over someone's headbin Frontlines. It'll show who to prioritize and who to run away from.
Go to the wolves den pier and read on how your skills are changed in pvp.
amber escarp
It’s so weird to me how new players that don’t heal cry “healers OP” while new players that play healer say they just did instantly.
Rival Wings popping again tonight on all NA data centers at 8PM EST. Use the LFG system to form a party by 730 so that you can jump in queue by 745
old prawn
@swift ginkgo Sorry for bringing it over here, but I thought it was a better place haha but Onsal Hakri?
swift ginkgo
Yeah frontline
old prawn
I've got no experience in this game with PVP
swift ginkgo
1000 for a win
750 for 2nd place
500 for last
Go to the wolf den in limsa
Speak to peeps there to unlock stuff
Frontline iirc is unlocked at your grand company
You use wolfmarks (currency) to trade for stuff like hairstyles/mount/armors at the wolves den pier
@old prawn
On unlocking frontline, you also gain access to frontline roulette
So smth to add to your wolfmarks
Depending on your server which looks to be primal the active PVP time starts at abouuuut like 4pm EST?
And dies down by like 12am EST
So you got time
old prawn
That's about the morning for me haha
old prawn
Hopefully I won't get told off haha
Although me being in Australia might complicate things with ping n stuff..
amber escarp
Join the PvP servers
Guides and stuff
Also QUP rival wings tonight if you’re on NA
Especially since it looks like you’re brand new
Please read up before you QUP
old prawn
QUP?
winter canopy
Queue up
amber escarp
QUP ye
You’re not in any of the pvp discords. It’s a good idea to join if you’re looking to get into PvP
That way you can read up before you QUP. Ask questions. Etc
old prawn
Ahh okay
prime timber
what time is the best for the Feast on NA Datacenters
atomic narwhal
what the fuck I am actually having fun in onsal hakair
amber escarp
old prawn
Is Rivals Wings the official pvp server?
spiral brook
There’s no “official” servers for FFXIV, only community ones
But PvPaissa and Revival Wings are the big FFXIV PVP discords that I know of.
old prawn
Ooh okay
amber escarp
Ye QUP
warm widget
when is next season starting?
warm widget
ok nice, should start on tuesday then
we should be getting gears if im correct
as we had mounts for the past 2 seasons
amber escarp
Prob gear ya
amber escarp
Oye
upbeat lotus
amber escarp
:naout:
plucky prairie
DRAW AND JUNCTION 
amber escarp
fringe tiger
So does this make pld not throwing now?
sacred dawn
for feast?
i mean, you could make it work if you really wanted to before
it's just a really shitty and awkward playstyle
i think war and drk will be meta tanks still
carmine plank
60s hallowed ground is pretty nuts. There's such a small window to actually kill them between rotating cooldowns.
carmine plank
yea AST and SMN can I guess. Though in solo queue it's questionable whether those abilities will be up or used when you need them.
sacred dawn
i feel like pld is only any good for pure padding comps
smn looks like godmode now though with the caster additional changes
pld probs the best tank for casual pvp tho
fringe tiger
sacred dawn
i mean at diamond+ p much every tank not drk is throwing
but that was because of synergy w/ sch
more than any inherent failure of other tanks
fringe tiger
Nevermind pvp. The game is getting such a huge amount of changes and additions
I just wish they'd let us /tell while in duties already
honest heron
did they just nerf frontline roulette xp? i just literally got 6% of a level from doing the roulette
amber escarp
what place you end in dictates how much xp you got
are you comparing a 1st place win to 3rd?
honest heron
i think we were second :/ but still, 6% for lvl 69 is tiny
honest heron
i swear it wasnt like this before the patch xD maybe i was lying to myself of these months haha
amber escarp
i dont believe there was anything about adjusting xp gain
rare sable
From the looks of things they removed the exp from the roullete...? :/
amber escarp
If you're gonna queue into ranked please make sure you read up before jumping in. I keep seeing new players just abandoning match because they're getting bopped
And please for the love of all that is holy stop giving up
You're new. Don't be bad and have an attitude lol
sacred dawn
if you're new for the love of god please go to wolves den and hit the dummies for a little bit
to understand what your pvp buttons do
amber escarp
that too lmao. i always say read up before you qup
fringe tiger
If they removed the exp from roulette that sucks
amber escarp
NGL i wouldn’t mind exp being nerfed overall
And tomes/marks getting nerfed for losses
To the point where it’s really not worth grinding unless you actually enjoy the content
plucky finch
Is removal of EXP from roulette intended or a bug?
amber escarp
it wasnt in the patch notes so...
mighty bramble
Wouldn't nerfed rewards just cause the amount of people interested in PvP to shrink? Seems counterproductive if you want a healthy population
amber escarp
it would cause less pops but they would be full of people there for enjoyment. just like before the changes
the overall popularity doesn't matter if its full of people that just want to mindlessly grind for exp/tomes/glamour since that means it isnt fun for the farmers, or for the actual pvp players
it just leads to toxicity. then you get people crying "wah pvp toxic" not realizing the most toxic players are the ones that dont pvp for fun...they're there for free rewards lol
so yeah its basically do you want quality over quantity, or quantity over quality?
as is we're getting quantity over quality
although to be honest we've been dealing with the low quality for so long i'm not sure if going back to how things were is even possible
twin sable
@honest heron I feel the same way
This is what I got for placing 1st in Frontline daily
As someone who liked BOTH the gameplay and EXP rewards, the nerf makes me sad
I have limited amount of time in a day and nerfing EXP from Frontline makes me have to decide whether I stop doing it daily in favour of other EXP gaining activities when I didn't have to pre-5.3
I've been enjoying having both
amber escarp
Keep 1st place rewards and nerf 2nd and 3rd tbh
Reward people for caring
RW too. Keep 1st and nerf losing. Especially in RW since one person can really make a difference in a match if they’re good
carmine plank
I might consider reporting it as a bug since there was no mention of it in the patch notes.
plucky prairie
pretty glad i maxxed out all my dps classes before this patch if those xp nerfs were intended
remote monolith
yea they completely removed the pvp roulette exp bonus
not worth your time or effort anymore, unless you enjoy the pvp for what it is
amber escarp
winter canopy
rip frontline
amber escarp
its okay
we have rival wings
QUP tomorrow 8pm est
For yall upsettispaghetti over no exp in FL QUP Rival Wings 😉
desert bane
lmfao this is the fastest match I've ever had
austere mulch
What is the average queue time for seal rock these days?
amber escarp
What time are you queueing?
Prime time? A few minutes. Instant if you catch the train
At random hours? You’ll be waiting until prime time
austere mulch
Lol, thanks for the heads up. I haven't done it yet. I honestly have some leveling to do before I can. But it is key to one of my goals in the game.
amber escarp
If large scale pvp is your goal join us in revival wings
We focus on rival wings and frontline
austere mulch
Cool. I see the invite up the chain there. I'll join up. Gonna be a bit before I can join. (Lvl. 51) but I will get that coat if it's the last thing i do. Plus, I do enjoy a good challenge.
austere mulch
Not in it for the xp. But the queue time is discouraging. Not gonna stop me though.
And seal rock isnt frontline.
amber escarp
Queue during prime time ezpz. Also we’re getting rival wings popping tomorrow
On Aether
Also make exp minimal 🙂
warped latch
hey what do the pvp levels do?
i just hit lvl 1
13
its been awesome xp, 6 lvls today as black mage, instant ques for seal rock and 1 mill exp
love pvp lol,
from like 68-73 now
carmine plank
they're a relic of an old system. they don't do anything anymore.
warped latch
so they just left a worthelss system that does nothing in the game?
lol
@remote monolith hey i been playing less than a month and if pvp got an xp nerf it was totally worth it, i got 6 lvls today doing this pvp seal rock, instanteous ques for DPS, and 1.3 million xp a match. Matches are like 10 mins
deserved nerf if it was larger than it is right now, i am going to hit 76 tonight
remote monolith
there used to be a bonus that you got for the roulette, but only once per day
you can do that kind of leveling with dungeons as well
warped latch
not as dps
its like 15 min q for me in dungeon right now, pvp is no more than 15 second q
What do i do with wolf marks?
remote monolith
you can get pvp gear with them
warped latch
oh nice can you tell me where pls
remote monolith
when you're in the Wolves' Den, you can go to the lower level of the ship, and there's lots of gear there
it's all for glam, not for stats
all lvl 1
warped latch
ok sweet thanks
what are the feast poinst? what do i get from that ranking?
After we won feast match, the bar moved like an xp bar
carmine plank
you get wolf collars based off of your finishing tier which can be traded for weapons
amber escarp
Read up before you qup
warped latch
I did do that thanks! I almsot maxed on wolf den tokens
I got 3 lvls in couple hours of pvp its INSANE xp for dps, instant Q's
amber escarp
Ya it’s pretty good even with the nerf on roulette
bitter escarp
Can i queue up with a friend or does it have to be a full party? (For feast)
amber escarp
Feast is solo
carmine plank
ranked feast is solo, training can be queued up with 1 other person. I'm not sure if training queues are popping lately though with a new season just starting.
amber escarp
We’ll be queueing for Rival Wings tonight on Aether. Join the Revival Wings discord to join in 🙂
amber escarp
for shatter...sometimes you gotta say fuck the ice and realize when a team is about to win off of kills/base points
sacred dawn
if ur gonna play feast
please for the love of god
learn your pvp actions
i keep seeing shit like "WU/T ERP LOVED" from rpers and i know the game's over
native rune
what is the best class for pvp i kinda wanna get into it
remote monolith
there's no "best" class, but usually Dragoons, Ninjas, and Samurai are among the most annoying DPS classes
tho if you go as any one of the tanks, you can opt to choose a chain ability where you pull an enemy into your mass of allies
sacred dawn
the meta rn is in flux, but MNK seems exceptionally strong
and MCH is no longer an auto lose condition
remote monolith
idk who ever told you MCH was shit, they're exceptionally powerful in PvP
and Dragoons are relentless at killing anyone 1 on 1
amber escarp
Mch are pretty bad lol
What do you say makes them a better pick over brd or dnc?
Especially dnc
It’s not a throw pick anymore though for sure
But I’m curious why you think it’s exceptionally powerful. Which to me means you place it above brd and dnc? Not even comparing it to casters which also compete for the ranged slot in feast
Although if you mean RW/FL then yeah anything works there lol
bitter escarp
Any tips for monk pvp?
remote monolith
usually the top damage players are DRG, NIN, or MCH that I see, they're very popularly good
MCH are especially stronger than DNC or BRD's personal damage
amber escarp
Yeah mch isn’t a throw pick by any means. But it’s still clunky AF for no benefit over the other ones. Also carpel tunnel. The burst is also ping reliant since low ping players can sneak an extra gcd during WF apparently
warped latch
Hey what's with the pvp mixed reactions here? I ranked 2400+ typically in wow arena and have hit glad a couple of times.
This pvp is really good. I've done most of the modes now what am I missing?
I'm seeing people say pvp here is too crazy or not that good, all I see is a bunch of people in pvp that aren't good like entire groups fighting on the roads instead of nodes, just basic strategy etc...
Is there more too it? I've done quite a few duels now and the pvp is fast paced just like wow and really good.
Currently playing black mage.
Just started two weeks ago, I'm currently lvl 73 (which I know doesn't matter in pvp, but I'm new and curious about how people don't see this games pvp as awesome, it's just as fast paced as wow)
amber escarp
Blunt truth is that PvP isn't amazing because SE keeps making changes aimed at bringing in casual players.
That being said PvP is still very fun! The biggest problem is that FFXIV doesn't attract competitive players so oftentimes players parrot nonsense (win trading is rampant! it's so toxic!! it's too easy! it's too hard!) so many times a player will go in, get stomped and instead of wanting to improve they go "uh huh yeah its not me that sucks, it's this mode. i mean look at everyone else what they said is true"
So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
Not much can be done to combat this other than offering resources for people to improve. There's a lot of folks that still enjoy PvP and you can find them in the PvP focused discord server.
TLDR:
- Self-fulfilling prophecy of an echo chamber
- PvP isn't perfect, but it's fun
- Biggest issue are that most players are just "grinding" for shinies
- PvP is easy to pick up hard to master. Many players think they've mastered it when there's more deep down to separate the bad, average and good players. Sadly even then it's not INCREDIBLY deep since SE still tends to try and cater to a more casual crowd
amber escarp
warped latch
Yeah I been playing Frontline everyday cuz the xp so good and it's instant Qs for dps
Way faster than me q for dungeons, takes like 20 seconds max on my server (goblin) for pvp que
amber escarp
Your role doesn’t matter for FL/RW. You can also queue as the job you want EXP on then swap to a role needed
warped latch
Oh during the match??
amber escarp
Yep. At base you can job change
hasty cosmos
hey so i just got back into the game
was wondering how bad pvp queues are
in queue for 45 mins for frontline roulette already
amber escarp
Queue during prime time
Frontline instant pops. Join Revival Wings for Rival Wings schedule. Feast is popping now because new season. Melee and healer shortest queues
@hasty cosmos
sacred dawn
@warped latch I was a 2400 player in wow as well, the main issue I have is that frontlines is a very bad game mode where an individual player has next to no agency over the outcome and server ticks/latency are way too unresponsive for the pace of the game
the feast is genuinely high quality esp compared to how bad wow arena is rn
amber escarp
Rival Wings is good because an individual can really change the outcome
Literally run it down a lane and put up pressure lol
carmine plank
I had like a 70% wr solo queueing that first week of the moogle tomestone event just owning a lane on drg.
frontlines though
amber escarp
yeah lol
during kupo time it was super easy to get stupid high win rate just pushing a lane solo
warped latch
@amber escarp well said everything you mentioned makes total sense, I also see Frontlines definitely hard to solo carry lol.
I mean @sacred dawn lol
amber escarp
storm plover
Can only solo carry in FL if you're the shotcaller for the alliance
Speaking of FL, saw Eternal yesterday on my team 😁
amber escarp
I’m rather new with pvp but do people play The Feast Often?
amber escarp
yes
when a new season starts it pops all day. it slows down as the season goes on for a few reaons
- people move up in ranks and spread apart more meaning less people per bracket
- people get farmed out of queue and quit instead of looking to improve
- higher rank people play less not because they're comfy (funny enough high ranks want MORE matches...scrims happen often) but they play less because relatively bad players can sneak into high rank matches due to how easy it is to climb
sacred dawn
nah higher rank people play less because some of them get comfy and then the games no longer pop when they drop out
amber escarp
Do people play rank or training more? I’m really new at this
drowsy sable
wheat cargo
Kenki for pve is only in content lv52+
carmine plank
@amber escarp people play ranked when there is an active season and training when there isn't one
crude shadow
pretty bad question but can anyone suggest a melee class or classes that are viable in pve and pvp, p new to the game
spiral brook
I think dragoon and ninja are still pretty busted, but I rarely play melee in PvP so I can’t say for certain
amber escarp
melee are strongest in pvp lol
ranged are strong too but still depend on a good team to make space. free casting caster is scary. aoe dmg taken up is good too
but to answer your question @crude shadow all melee work and are playable in both pve and pvp. pvp specifically drg is easiest the most bang for your buck since it has a lot of incidental aoe plus ranged damage. samurai is good for defensive play with chiten. nin is good for assasinations with hide TA+other dmg buffs. mnk is okay. this is for casual/large scale modes.
in feast they all work well enough. if new to feast i would suggest drg since it doesnt have cast times and it's relatively straight forward/strong
crude shadow
thanks i appreciate the advice = )
sacred dawn
mnk seems to be head and shoulders above the other melee this season
if you don't have a pld to spam confit on RoF they just insta gib
native rune
@amber escarp what are some of the pvp discourds
spiral brook
@native rune three of them are in the pins for this channel
amber escarp
https://discord.gg/revivalwings
@native rune they're also in the pins yes
warped latch
Dang monk so strong in pvp
Looks like they have an invulnerability shield? How long does it last
So many heals
amber escarp
MNK isn't bad. All jobs are playable. DRG and SAM are easier to play and get the same outcome though
keen walrus
Hello I want to make an alt in NA/EU for pvp
Which DC has the most active pvp community in each region?
amber escarp
aether has argo holding competitions so i would say that's a safe bet for na. eu it's light
sacred dawn
MNK is insanely powerful and way too tanky for the burst meta
vernal drift
damn, they weren't kidding when they said this game was grindy in the beginning
finally made it lvl 30 quest, and its beginning to get interesting
amber escarp
👀
remote monolith
PvP is back! They fixed the PvP roulette exp bonus!
amber escarp
simple imp
Is pvp roulette only frontlines?
pliant vector
lol I tried playing PvP frontline after unlocking it, but I'm a lvl 40 WAR noob and I wasn't ready for my hotbar to change. Also there are way too many people/VFX in that mode
worldly kestrel
Dude I kept selecting my own teammates yesterday when I tried it for the first time lmao
amber escarp
Good idea to practice before jumping in
Suggested to join the pvp discord’s and read guys. Or at a minimum read your abilities
wheat cargo
also head to wolves den in la noscea to rearrange your abilities so you don't confuse yourself
amber escarp
Reminder that NA and EU are doing Rival Wings tomorrow :)
wheat cargo
Reminder eternal is cute
amber escarp
You too 
cursive scaffold
those end at midnight don't they?
I literally havent done Rival Wings like since the first map was around couple years back
cursive scaffold
well after a Q of 40mins im switching over to FL
Oh boy though, these changes in recent patches are throwing me for a loop, keep forgetting theres medical kits on a lot of DPS if not them all
So I keep backing off thinking the next weaponskill I queued will finish someone and nope, kit goes off XD
amber escarp
everyone gets med kits
ocean frigate
I tried to use sam in frontlines
what a joke of class to be honest :/ isn't drg the only viable job there?
plucky prairie
SAM's alright. really good burst.
Chiten is underrated
paired with bloodbath and a bunch of kenki, you can chunk a few people down pretty fast
carmine plank
nin and drg are the best melee in frontlines since they have the best mobility & ranged attacks
cursive scaffold
Figured they all had it, I just never bothered to check. How's MCH doing overall on frontline nowadays?
amber escarp
Mch isn’t useless anymore so it’s playable
BLM AoE is really good. Then add its AoE cc on top of it
cursive scaffold
Yeah I am seeing some success on it now, it was pretty bad at one point so I was just dancing every time I was in PvP and playing a ranged since it generally worked out better. I main both classes in PvE so I kinda gravitated to them in PvP. Which begs the question what about DNC atm, not seeing as many in FL as I used to.
plucky prairie
DNCs great
just be careful when you go in for your Finishes
save Recuperate for if you get holmganged and dash outta there
modest spoke
i know pvp isn't a major focus of ffxiv, but is there enough of it to find pvp any time?
as in enough to get a battleground going or what have you
carmine plank
no afraid not :[
amber escarp
Nope. But the same can be said for savage via PF. Both won’t really get going during odd hours
sacred dawn
change up your language settings and you might be able to find europeans at odd hours
cursive scaffold
Hahaha, always love it when someone decides to meme in Borderland Ruins and just go for shoving players off the top game after game. XD
amber escarp
ya thats fun
lavish heath
okay i just touched pvp for the first time tonight and holy hell
genuinely really fun
high chaos
amber escarp
Yeah pvp is pretty good. The bad reputation is mostly from people parroting BS they heard from their friend who heard it from his FC mate who saw it in a shout
wheat cargo
i think a lot of it isn't unwarranted though. there is an imbalance in pvp (but that's really only sorta relevant in Feast) and it is a bit of a clusterfuck that seems like its unfair towards certain GC teams.
that said, its definitely turn your brain off fun
mint kettle
Rival wings is basically a MOBA
Farm Ceruleum
Buy mechs
push towers
and some side objectives like the train and merc camps
amber escarp
The problem is that everyone goes into it and “turns their brain off” and just blames everyone else.
Is it perfect? No. Neither are the big esports titles.
It’s a cluster fuck because SE made FL into one (4 man premade only, no more small matches) and that’s on purpose to try to force that 33% win rate onto everyone.
Feast is “unbalanced” in the sense that any game is unbalanced at the top, IE: there’s a meta of top tier jobs. (Fuck potions in feast though)
Funny enough Rival Wings is the most balanced but least popular. There’s something for all skill levels to do.
- Good at pvp? Put pressure down a lane, farm mechs and get soaring to “carry” your party.
- Bad at pvp but have good game sense? Use mechs. (You can also shot call)
- Just bad? Go get CE
What happens though is that people don’t bring up the actual issues. You hear the same BS over and over.
- PvP players are toxic (funny enough the most toxic are the ones that don’t even play pvp as their main thing)
- It’s all win trading (who tf win trades in RW and FL?)
- PvP is too easy (yet they can’t figure out burst??? Hello? You’re the reason we have this version of PvP)
- PvP is too hard (I mean....)
Oh and my favorite that’s feast specific
- You have to no life it to get top 100 (as they proceed to spam crafts for Ishgard)
- We need rank decay to get pops (meanwhile they’re in silver. Rank decay won’t help you there, buddy. Then you’ll complain even more about having to “no life” it)
TLDR; pvp not perfect. But the biggest issue is the community and how it parrots BS when they have no knowledge on the subject.
You see it to a lesser extent with raids. The casual players think anyone that raids is elitist
devout harbor
amber escarp
That’s how most players in pvp be. Jump in blind, gets fucked “man pvp sucks”
Like yeah no shit. You were a striking dummy basically
wheat cargo
i mean i enjoy pvp 
i understand your points completely
a lot of it does seem to be misinformation from the vocal minority that influences the people who may be interested in it
pvp also doesn't exactly have any tutorial for it, people are kinda thrown in and expected to make sense of it.
and people have peanut brains
when things don't make sense/frustrate them
they get angry at it rather than try to make sense of it
or are more likely to give up
amber escarp
yeah that's facts. we try to provide learning communities via discord
wheat cargo
i mean i appreciate all the work that is put into creating those communities
but the fact that there have to be external options as the only solution isn't exactly appealing or immediate knowledge to new players
which sucks a lot
amber escarp
it's very similar to end game raiding though
you need to look at outside sources to improve at anything that's even slightly difficult. especially for pvp since it's fluid and metas can change patch to patch
what i DO think should happen is that SE should link to the pvp discords directly. add a disclaimer that we aren't SE employees. Ridrina shouted revival wings before with that same exact disclaimer
and to be completely fair, if all you're doing is FL/RW you can do okay by simply reading your abilities and hitting a striking dummy. again, mirroring pve
you can learn the basics with basic reading. if you want more in depth/be more competitive you need to do research
the big difference is that in casual pve content you can get hard carried, in pvp content since (number pulled out of my ass) 80% of players are looking for a carry you're met with the issue we have now
not to mention most casual pve content can be won even if you're absolutely terrible. the only downside is that the duty takes longer. the downside in pvp is a fat defeat screen and some people jsut can't come to terms with the fact that losing is part of pvp and they should take it as motivation to improve
wheat cargo
the downside in pvp is a fat defeat screen and some people jsut can't come to terms with the fact that losing is part of pvp and they should take it as motivation to improve
imagine people improving when they lose
imagine people seeing their mistakes
but yeah the connection makes sense
it always feels different though since you can always practice pve fights repeatedly until you get them right, even without using external resources. but pvp has too many variables that aren't predictable
