I was playing Sam
#archived-player-vs-player
amber escarp
baited them with my first shield, they used two of three meteodrives on me
almost knocked me off, so I pretended to be desperate and jumped down to a lower platform
all three followed me
managed to heal up, put up my shield, baited them into striking my second Chiten
They were so mad
wooden grove
sharp maple
I cant find the pvp patchnotes
weak grove
just jump to the PVP bit in battle system
exotic kayak
RIP NIN. Another nerf.
spiral brook
DRK got nerfed bless
ionic loom
I quit ninja 3 patches ago and they're still nerfing it. Lol
patent gazelle
misty cloak
They fixed the bug where MNK could hit Riddle through guard which is about as much of a nerf as MNK got
gleaming stag
I’m sad I couldn’t get the mount with wolf marks
sharp maple
I thought the Earths Reply through guard was normal, since Earths Reply ignores mitigations and will do the full reflect damage.
Oh, nvm. That was literally, they were able to hit Riddle while in guard I think, idk
crimson bobcat
anyone have a ss of the new pvp pass level 15 mount
ripe flower
whats the strongest class?
sharp maple
There is no 1 strongest class, just tiers of classes
There's jobs that are OP and jobs that are balanced, pretty much
But everything is a viable pvp option
ripe flower
I must suck extra
Although it doesn’t help that I get queued into matches with experienced players
Cc is still the stun lock heal spam curbstomp fest its always been
sharp maple
It's definitely a learning curve, just have to keep playing more and learn
I sucked at CC when I first started, and even now I'm probably just alright, but there's much I can improve. Just gotta keep playing
pseudo hamlet
The pictures didn’t do the PvP set Justice that shit is amazing
tight marsh
is the pvp armor new?
sharp maple
false monarchy set is yes
pseudo hamlet
Ye
tight marsh
looks pretty good
sharp maple
I tried to look at the set with anam and it crashed my game though
ill just wait for stuff to update, then Im gonna grind for the set myself
tight marsh
also is there any notable shakeups to any jobs or just minor things?
sharp maple
NIN got nerfed again
and WAR got buffed
I didnt pay attention to the rest, but the NIN nerf kinda disgusted me
Now death link usage is tighter and Shukuchi being 20sec recast instead of 15sec makes escape options tighter as well if you get stuck
tight marsh
they finally nerfed AST ult
pseudo hamlet
(They buffed it)
sharp maple
The new map is CRAZY
pine bear
The pictures didn’t do the PvP set Justice that shit is amazing
i wonder how it dyes
upbeat lotus
also is there any notable shakeups to any jobs or just minor things?
None of the changes will be meta shifting
With a slight exception to BRD being playable in organized play
nova portal
I’m not sure exactly what the BRD change was; what does it do?
stoic elm
I’m not sure exactly what the BRD change was; what does it do?
LB now gives the Bard 25% move speed for 30s
Its a default move speed increase, other jobs with MS buffs do the same amount
nova portal
Ah I see
stoic elm
as another note, you can now only use it while in combat
zinc lynx
does level affact dps and health in crystal conflict and frontline?
wheat cargo
No
Your stats are normalized based on your job/role
So level/gear have no impact
Only skill and server tick
sharp maple
we know
pseudo hamlet
Yes
pseudo hamlet
I love all of it
It’s recolored LOTA gear
And that’s coming from the guy who farmed LOTA 100 times to get the ballad corselet
Now it’s in higher res and dyable
I love you Ffxiv 
gleaming stag
Here we go again!!
pulsar harness
nothing makes me more happy then receiving comms as palidin
misty cloak
The new Trophy Gear straight up makes me look like a villain I adore it
pseudo hamlet
It’s hector gear
pulsar harness
got the new map
it's very interesting
mint blade
Does anyone know how much Series XP Rival Wings gives for win and loss? Is it the same as Frontline or less?
ripe flower
tab targeting in pvp really just doesnt work
weak grove
default tab targeting u mean?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lFc_O-xSPcA
I changed it to targeting the nearest enemy and have shift + tab be enemy target rotating
weak grove
fair enough
neon scarab
ripe flower
thats it
I dont even care anymore
Ill just farm Ls doing my basic rotation until I get the armor
pseudo hamlet
Grandad reaction time on purify
ripe flower
it wouldnt have mattered
pseudo hamlet
Also bad positioning you ran literally right through the middle for everyone to hit you
honest trellis
What's the current meta?
Does White Mage still win games? Can I still make one person's life a living hell as Mon
amber escarp
yeah in that clip you ran in 1v5 in the opener and turned your back on 4 enemies, very much the expected outcome
ripe flower
stoic elm
Does White Mage still win games? Can I still make one person's life a living hel...
job is same except the change in MoN range that is easily offset
but that change is from last season, so
ripe flower
spawn > get stunned >get stunned > get stunned >get stunned > die
native cloak
Are we playing the same game?
ripe flower
people use macros?
misty cloak
You basically can't play PLD without a cover macro lmao
ripe flower
sounds like a personal problem
misty cloak
upbeat lotus
Macros for auto targeting is common in PvP and even PvE, what you can't do with macros is build a no clip rotation around them and PvP doesn't care about GCD clipping as much.
amber escarp
drk is more fun :)
upbeat lotus
You're not risking anything by having a
/pvpac "Guardian" <2>
macro ready for each slot
amber escarp
whys green ADS got melon seeds
upbeat lotus
spawn > get stunned >get stunned > get stunned >get stunned > die
Purify one of those and counter burst, your games will change drastically
vast crag
don't try if you vs BRD bruv, they'll mark you, silence you and their team will gangbang'd you like there's no tomorrow 😹
obtuse venture
Is CC the only way to level up this pvp series?
obtuse venture
I've heard Frontline is slow for ranking your series level
spiral brook
it's still pretty decent speed if you can keep getting 1st/2nd place
and as long as it's not Borderlands Ruin/Shatter day, most games end before 15 minutes.
But yeah if you have decent queue times and just want to blitz the Series ranks, then do CC
pseudo hamlet
Is CC the only way to level up this pvp series?
Cc is fastest but all modes provide exp
obtuse venture
Okay cool, thank yall
exotic kayak
Frontline roulette once a day is good though.
spiral brook
CC is 700/900, and frontline is 1000/1250/1500
not sure about rival wings, i think same as CC?
drifting badger
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amber escarp
Hello everyone interested in getting into PvP! There are two great resources for both ranked PvP and casual maps.
PvPaissa discord is a central hub where you can meet experienced mentors that are willing to help you learn how to play. We also have guides written by community members as well as a website which shows upcoming events like community ran tournaments.
Discord invite: https://discord.gg/z8Fj95q
Website: https://pvpaissa.com/
There's also the Revival Wings server which kept the mode alive, we just recently transitioned from holding weekly events to being a community where fans of the mode can meet, talk strategy and group up
Server invite: https://discord.gg/xJFZzzh
Feel free to DM if you have any questions 😃
thorn ocean
👍
shell ginkgo
o/
amber escarp
shell ginkgo
i like to play arcade ffxiv
amber escarp
You mean at fan fest? I didn't get to try it sadly
I did see the arcade characters when we were playing our matches in stage
shell ginkgo
thats just what i call pvp 'cause of the simplified actions
tame gorge
I got to try it at Fan Fest it was actually really fun
amber escarp
Yeah it looked fun. Sad I missed it
tame gorge
Don't troll this channel.
I am not kidding about kicking people who do.
You were on one of the feast tournament teams?
amber escarp
PvP is very simplified for sure. SE did it so folks feel welcome to try. I can tell you from experience though it's not as simple as folks think. It's definitely not 3x levels but there are some nuances you need to learn
I was yeah. We got farmed by synergy 6
shell ginkgo
but i really do call pvp in ffxiv arcade mode ._.
nevermind i guess, sorry for bothering o7
amber escarp
I think that was their aim to be honest. Make it simple and make the modes a bit more complicated? Let's see what 5x brings though. Not gonna lie, I really do hope SE let's the skill gap grow a bit more.
smoky steppe
I do want to get into PvP but the last time I tried the feast it just felt like a blur of trying to kill each other’s healers first and stuff
Maybe I’m missing something
amber escarp
Yeah for sure man. Attacking the healer first is actually a terrible strategy. You want to bait cooldowns and swap targets. Basically, start a countdown on the melee, they push back, now start one on healer or rdps. This forces healer to use cooldowns, melee to pop defensives etc
That's a really basic idea though and obviously it doesn't always work so easily. But that should help understand the mindset you should have in Feast
Baiting cooldowns is a good idea in Frontline and Rival Wings too though. I see a lot of new folks fall into the trap of tunnel the healer
hollow glen
When you start out in the lower ranks at Feast, it's usually a mixbag of skill levels but mostly newer players to the mode. As a result yeah, the most common strategy people try to go for is swarm the healer...that doesn't work the further you get.
amber escarp
Hey Rin!!
paper raft
MCH is great in PvP, that’s really all I wanted to say, ttyl
lost steeple
It’s one of the reasons why healers can carry really hard. If the healer knows how to keep themselves alive and the enemy team is tunneling, it goes south real fast. Tanks can carry extremely hard now too
amber escarp
I think Healer is the hardest role but every role has a way to carry. When I play healer I feel like I can't carry, but when I'm on BLM I feel like well timed sleeps and binds can carry teams by either securing kills or saving teammates
lost steeple
The best thing is to try and bait CDs and hard swap to those who have overextended
Yeah I feel comfortable with healer but not with others that much
white flintBOT
dog with a shank#4835 has been warned.
smoky steppe
I wish chat wasn’t blocked in the feast so I could communicate with my team with more than just “Attack X!” 
smoky steppe
True
More work for gms though
Although I’ve reported players for throwing before and I still saw them around so idk
The group died once and the healer just ran to the middle and sat down after that
amber escarp
Man TBH though I can't imagine typing sentences while in a match now. It's too fast paced. I would love to still have chat back, at least before and after matches
During can be helpful in case you die. You can call out cooldowns you saw wasted or something as you respawn
Man SE intervention is something I really want. Queues pop at very specific times and it's not like there are many folks playing. Unless I'm missing something I don't think it would be too hard to dedicate a GM to observe people that have been constantly reported. At least in Feast. I would imagine Frontline and RW is a bit harder to Police
south pivot
Nice to see people making guides for PvP.
I have to admit to being a bit at a loss though.
It might just be me being retarded. But I don't seem to find a guide specifically aimed for people with zero PvP knowledge.
Last time me I tried to queue I got thrown in some 3 team match as a MNK and had no idea what I was even supposed to do. So I was hoping there were some guide explaining the most basic facts.
(I was looking at the pvpaissa website)
hollow glen
There is one, but its a bit outdated now
there's also the official xiv one https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/wolvesden/thefeast/
Here’s the user created one, keep in mind it is outdated but plenty of the info is still relevant
south pivot
Thank you 
hollow glen
We’re going to be updating that one!
amber escarp
This is also a really good video made by Frosty, some folks may recognize him from MogTalk. We use it for community ran events, SE also used it for FRC. Great intro to Feast
amber escarp
All we're missing now is some lime and pork
rough mango
lost steeple
How's the new RW? Just got home so haven't touched it yet
rain swift
Great fun imo
Smaller map means way easier to get around, fewer elevations
Train and mercs add rotating objectives instead of camping middle
amber escarp
The new RW seems wicked fun. I won't get to play until I'm back home on Sunday but so far everyone in the RW discord is giving positive opinions
rain swift
Yes, that is me. Ever since SB preview as a WHM main :^)
amber escarp
I wanna try the new RW. Maybe this weekend I'll have some time to. 
It's so fun from what I'm reading
Is that Isabelle?
lost steeple
Yeah they're about 5m right now
rain swift
🎣
rain swift
I don't have a switch, but from what I've played I like Pickachu/Pichu and Isabelle the most
lime tulip
potent goblet
anyone else having the issue where the hidden gourge (pvp) map isnt showing up?
potent goblet
I meant, I can go into it and all
but once im inside if I click the map button
nothing shows up
like an empty map screen
amber escarp
Did they expire? Can someone check. They seem fine
amber escarp
Yeah I think it's discord being weird
little pine
Can confirm that Discord is having an aneurism somewhere
Doing dice rolls in another Server and it was just bleargugh
amber escarp
Why do you think it's bad after a few matches?
rain swift
Because they're a troll, probably :^)
white flintBOT
RainCloud#7804 has been warned.
pseudo hamlet
I shouldn’t have the PvP discussion in the PvP channel?
tame gorge
Making 1 message "pvp sucks ass" is not thought provoking discussion content.
pseudo hamlet
Took it to rants 🤗
amber escarp
If you have feedback you'd like to give to I'm the mode we have a section for that in Revival Wings. The feedback will be forwarded to SE and we have community reps observing. Great way to get your opinions to folks that can make a difference
pseudo hamlet
I feel like most of the things I dislike with rival wings won’t get fixed
Like what I think about the number of players
The small groups of 4 makes healing stressful plus the fact that most of the groups are not going to have a comp that can support themselves
The small groups also just make things harder to manage and strategize
Everyone wants to play with the mechs no one wants to actually play the game mode
amber escarp
Huh. I suggest giving it a fair shot and queueing into the new map.
rich moth
Whenever I played it it was quite successful to at least try to talk to your teammates. Like offering to collect some CE so someone else can mount up, or just via Alliance to keep an eye on the map and notify the whole team about incoming mechs. Can really help with the map awareness for people
It's always easier to complain how a Oppressor came through and went ignored when no one who did notice it felt like pointing it out to the rest :^)
rain swift
I always do callouts for Opp north or Opp south or Brutes, but it's up the rest of the team to pay attention 🤷
rich moth
yeah
I use sound effects too to make people pay attention but after that it's up to them if they want to engage it or not
sonic quarry
How's the new RW map? Still haven't had a chance to play it yet
quasi crow
How long does it take to get those groilla mounts
wicked wolf
100 wins....
amber escarp
@sonic quarry QUP
oak drift
deft kayak
Yes! It sure to be fun! I'm definitely going to be trying a few new classes! Hope to see everyone there!
dense dagger
amber escarp
ocean gale
lost steeple
Boo, I'll be out of country on Friday
amber escarp
It's every Friday I believe. @clever moss @deft kayak ?
deft kayak
Yes! every Friday as long as preseason is happening!
amber escarp
ionic spindle
i need more pvp friends
amber escarp
@ionic spindle join the 2 discords pinned above and you'll find folks! Revival Wings is a bit more active since it's Feast off season but pvpaissa has tons of mentors and guides you can read to get you on the right track
ionic spindle
Thanks
amber escarp
half chasm
Friendly reminder that if you dont know what to do, listen to chat callouts please
Not working with your team guarantees losses
clever moss
Reminder, Tomorrow 7:00PM EST Friday Night Fights starts.
To join us just simply Que The Feast (Training Match)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390274284980928514/544876022676586527/unknown.png
(Primal DataCenter)
amber escarp
gusty ocean
Is there only one roulette for PvP?
amber escarp
Yep. Frontline roulette but it isn't really a roulette since only one map is open at a time
gusty ocean
Entered it for the first time...what the heck happened to the hotbar?
amber escarp
It changes yeah.
In 4x SE made it so PvP is much much simpler because new players biggest complaint was that PvP was too complicated.
If you go to wolves den you can set your bars and additionals up. If you go to customize your UI and click on the duty button you can move your UI around for PvP
You're in Revival Wings only it looks like. Check out pvpaissa discord for job guides and feel free to ping mentors with questions. Remember that the more specific the question the better your answer will be
gusty ocean
the "Primal/Aether/Chaos" refers to server clusters, right?
amber escarp
Yessir
gusty ocean
Danke
amber escarp
No problem
amber escarp
In Revival Wings? FL is Frontline. HG is Hidden Gorge
clever moss
Friday Night Fights will be starting in about 38minutes, remember since we are playing 4 v 4 in The Feast ( Training Match ) this means you can que as 1-2 people!
Don't be afraid to que up with a friend!
Also:
While waiting for the event to start please fill out this strawpoll, it will give me a better understanding of what roles will be required as we start.
https://www.strawpoll.me/17437652
clever moss
starting in 10mins!!!
https://www.twitch.tv/seinnosunshine
https://www.twitch.tv/brianricardo
https://www.twitch.tv/reireizei
(will help you know if there are games ongoing)
FNF HAS STARTED!!! QUE UP!!
There will be various people streaming FNF i'll link them all here:
rapid oar
not friday night fisticuffs?
amber escarp
amber escarp
How were the matches last night @deft kayak ?
deft kayak
They were great! Lots of new and familiar faces! I got to try out dps and tanking for the first time. Tanking was so much fun! As a healer main, maybe I just got some weird satisfaction from messing the enemy healer up? Hehe can’t wait till next time.
amber escarp
deft oriole
yo Hidden Gorge is actually p fun
amber escarp
Hell yeah it is! It's a shame most people won't give it a try
What data center are you on?
plucky finch
On Mana here, matches are popping like crazy
amber escarp
Ohh Mana. We don't have folks to represent Mana in our Rival Wings discord. Although from my understanding JP actually love PvP... Makes sense since I FFXI it was mostly JP players too
plucky finch
Yeah I'm not in the discord, but you get less than 5 minute queues with no bots from what I can tell even like 3 hours+ before peak hours. I haven't checked what it's like at off peak right now though
But, before the update. Rival Wings was dead
It was Frontline that was popping super fast at peak hours
Right now Frontline is dead though. Long queues only for 24 player matches
amber escarp
Rip. Right now both are popping here but RW is getting the attention
rich moth
It really feels like they took nice feedback from Astragalos. The few matches I played were fun, there is always something to do, either it's pushing / defending a lane, or you have a mercenary kickin about, train coming and leaving. It seems more action packed and tight
matches don't seem to use up the whole time limit as much as they used to, i think.
plucky finch
Compact map helps so much with keeping action up. But makes it harder to sneak around the map like rush an oppressor as soon as it spawns
rich moth
yeah. Though i think it's a good thing you can't sneak with opps so much
I think the changes to BJ is nice too. You rarely get to play it with the old ruleset
amber escarp
Yeah Hidden Gorge is really fun. The smaller size really did make a huge difference
plucky finch
What changed to BJ? I can't seem to stun > mega beam anymore. Is that due to changes?
celest ledge
@plucky finch that should still work
rich moth
yeah it should still work, those are the only changes they made (outside of the removal of a dead tower to spawn it) https://puu.sh/COX3t/7be30927ce.png
potencies are actually better, but flames have half a second longer CD
plucky finch
I guess it's a latency issue then
Cause I'm stunned healers > spammed mega punch to use it stright away, they're in the middle of the beam, and they get out
plucky finch
Does anyone know why my settings always change?
The bottom one, the "Pet Hotbar Auto-display Settings"
I've never changed it, and it keeps going to the middle one
And it makes RW such a hassel that I need to keep changing it back after each time I log in
amber escarp
No idea why they change. I've been seeing complaints recently about it though
Also if you're interested in Rival Wings check the pins for a good Rival Wings discord server you can join 😃
plucky finch
Is there any reason to join? Just a nice place to get more specialized info if I have questions? I thought the events and stuff in it were mainly for NA/EU
amber escarp
Oh what DC are you on? Pvpaissa is for anyone that has questions since it's more of a place of learning
Revival Wings runs from Aether Primal and Chaos
The RW one is more of a social community but there are RW specific mentors that can answer questions if you ping them
lost steeple
I'm assuming he's on JP since he said NA/EU
but might still be able to find some people
amber escarp
JP PvP is always popular
They're always into PvP, even in FFXI. I wish NA/EU were like that too 😦
amber escarp
Oh yeah? who was the lead?
stark oyster
Uhh.. he had different names but his last name was Titor
amber escarp
oh Titor is a cool dude. He's in my FRC teams discord server
stark oyster
Nice
plucky finch
Yeah I'm on Mana DC
amber escarp
Oh rip. I think Mana has a community for PvP already though? From my understanding they aren't really struggling. Not sure who you can contact though. Maybe @wary nymph knows?
clever moss
REMINDER Friday Night Fights tonight!
Lets get Training ques active and practice for Season 13 which will start in 4.57!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390274284980928514/544876022676586527/unknown.png
(Que The Feast Training Match at 7:00PM EST)
(Primal)
wary nymph
Mana had one of the biggest communities. Like most data centers there a decline but the JP PVP community still is really strong and involves playing on all 3 JP data centers if you are dedicated
https://twitter.com/panke219?s=17 - Player
https://twitter.com/tee_pvp?s=17 - Player
https://twitter.com/Moriguchi_MOS?s=17 - Community Team
https://twitter.com/StanSmith_jp?s=17 - Shoutcaster
These guy hold events, and speak on behalf of the PVP community alot on twitter
Twitter
Twitter
Twitter
Twitter
@plucky finch @amber escarp Also they have discords to just like NA/EU I am not in any of them as i'm not a Japanese speaker
amber escarp
There we go
Figured JP would have more PvP communities than NA and EU. PvP is always popular there
plucky finch
Oh I'm not looking for a community lol
I'm fine playing PvP by just queueing up
But someone suggested joining on of the EN ones
That was pinned
But thanks for the info!
Hopfully this fan fest the JP PvP side gets a nice spotlight
leaden bane
They're pretty intent on supporting it- US/EU tournaments were really well done.
lost steeple
Yup
SE puts in a strange amount of support for how small it is, but I really appreciate it instead of abandoning it and letting it die
amber escarp
That's because it's not as bad as peou think. Is it perfect? Nah. No PvP game is, not even league or Overwatch. The biggest thing holding PvP back is the negative stigma surrounding it which is perpetuated by folks that don't even PvP. A lot of people think doing 10 casual matches makes them an expert
wicked wolf
Why do no one do the secondary objectives in Rival Wings??????
amber escarp
That's a loaded question. What's best to do depends on a lot of things
wicked wolf
I get that the Adrenaline rush train isn't important... but if its early DON'T IGNORE THE FREE STACK OF SOARING
lost steeple
Sometimes, depending on the push that's happening, it's more important to not do it, but I get what you mean. Some people tunnel
plucky finch
Well it depends. A lot of the time, the enemy has like 1 or 2 people capping middle
If 4 people just went there when they could have 10 seconds before the train arrived, it's an easy buff to get
Losing middle just adds more pressure to your team even if the pressure is slight
Same with Goblin
void nymph
How's the PVP scene doing
leaden bane
Right now, rival wings is popping like crazy, feast is in preseason but has the japanese FRC coming up, and frontlines is frontlines
so overall not doing too bad, just quieting down like most things because people are either kicked back for shadowbringers or doing eureka
couple of community feast events in the pipeline too
wicked wolf
i'm actually putting off eureka right now until i get my avenger mounts
lost steeple
Yeah everything's pretty quiet. Couldn't even fill an o12s page run yesterday
Everyone's fighting the queue boss for Baldesion 
proven ice
Do we have PvP groups assembling in prep for season 13 yet?
amber escarp
what do you mean pvp groups? you mean teams?
stray crescent
@proven ice I plan to assemble team for season 13
proven ice
@stray crescent Have an open spot for a tank or dps?
stray crescent
Yeah of course
clever moss
Friday Night Fights this Friday will be moved to Thursday at 7:00PM EST.
(I guess you can call it Thursday Night Training).
This time change will only be for this week, the following weeks until 4.57 will be normal Friday Nights
amber escarp
For folks interested in the Light Party Feast scene. We have a tournament for newly formed teams that I'm hosting on March 1st.
There's also one for established teams worldwide to compete that's coming up
https://pvpaissa.com/article/tournament-updates-rising-stars-and-feast-world-cup
tame gorge
gusty ocean
For the pvp equipment title, do you have to be wearing the exact pieces, or can glamour with the pvp armor work
amber escarp
You mean garo?
stark oyster
@gusty ocean wearing
amber escarp
sonic quarry
Hey guys whus poppin it's ya boi pvpraesul
clever moss
Reminder Tonight is Thursday Night Training on Primal Data Center
Que up for Training que at 7:00PM EST and join us/Practice! 😄
atomic narwhal
it's thursday...
clever moss
fixed >< should say thursday
clever moss
Thursday Night Training Starts in just 20 minutes!
What role will you be practicing tonight first?
https://strawpoll.com/1gkrd774
clever moss
ques are going pretty fast 😄
amber escarp
lost lichen
Does anyone know a good team comp for 4v4 ranked or can give me some basic knowledge about combs in 4v4 at all? Im new to pvp in ff14
amber escarp
oh. i just responded to you in pvpaissa
faint elk
Did they just legit forget to make the makai gear deysnthesizable/GC Turn in?
stark oyster
Is Makai from the lady? It's purposeful I believe
It was from an event but then they opened up the gear to everyone, and event gear can never be desynthed pretty sure
(It was a Japan-only event at first, then some time later the rest of the World got it, if I recall)
rain swift
No, it was always a global event. Anything JP gets also goes out to NA/EU except promotional items like the honeycakes way back when
Garo was a “limited time” event with no end date given. Then it just never ended
faint elk
Makai gear is only puropseful for getting a title, that's it
stark oyster
It's still an event, unfortunately, and thus can never be desynthed/turned in
amber escarp
Rising Stars tournament starting in about 30mins!
devout fossil
when i'm in rival wings, why are the party list and alliance list stacked on top of each other? is that normal?
in the hud menu, they're both considered party list...
amber escarp
you can move them in the hud menu. go to wolves then then click on duty
fervent rapids
Any good resources for a complete beginner?
I'm looking to explore PvP when I reach cap. Is DRG in-meta?
stark oyster
DRG is really good. Piercing Talon is an Execute that really hits hard. Up to 2000 Potency.
void nymph
what other dps classes are good for pvp in the meta atm, does ninja or monk have a place
stark oyster
BRD/MCH are top dogs. DRG/NIN are very strong. SAM is probably the worst dps because they have no lock-down and their burst really isn't much higher than other DPS. Casters are casters, BLM is pretty good due to Sleep. You can set up some nasty CC combos and Foul is just really strong
SMN is sorta devalued from what I remember, and unsure about RDM.
although in Frontlines, SMN is really good due to tab-dotting
stark oyster
MNK is alright.
I haven't PvP'd hard in a long while. Last time I did I think the meta was BLM/PLD/WHM/BRD.
Nasty combos
WAR gets Holmgang in PvP so I know some burst comps try to nuke someone down in a Holmgang
stark oyster
They're amazing with setup for sure
amber escarp
@fervent rapids look at pins and join pvpaissa. Lots of folks there
They're amazing in general. Good defensive with chiten, a dash and Midare is 1hit burst and they can hold burst
3 gcds for burst with TP up
Samurai good all around, dragoon good for being super aggro
stark oyster
SMN can also be amazing if you just let them stand there and free cast. for all the gapclose that SAM has, the other Jobs have a disengage
amber escarp
Ninja is better now but the CC overlaps your tanks CC already
No summoner isn't because they lack defensives and need to run in for full burst
stark oyster
That's not the point I was trying to make
amber escarp
You talking feast or casual large scale?
In large scale it doesn't matter. Anything works
In feast samurai is consistently good
stark oyster
Any Job can be "amazing" if it gets uninterrupted damage on a target. SAM needs setup for them to do as well as other Jobs that don't
amber escarp
I suggest checking out pvpaissa, friend
Hit up the melee experts there
Paladin us also the weakest tank right now. Super hard to play for similar rewards
stark oyster
So it is your opinion that SAM is straight up better than DRG/MNK/NIN? Because they just simply aren't. Maybe SAM is the easiest to use and that makes them generally better, but the other 3 when played optimally just do so much more.
amber escarp
Better than Monk? Yes.
The rest? No. Drg nin Sam are the current top pics. I think samurai is the easiest all around job though yes
stark oyster
So that doesn't make them "amazing". DRG and NIN are amazing. BRD and MCH are amazing.
Don't tell someone to "just visit pvpaissa, friend" if the point you make is so clearly wrong
amber escarp
Have you seen the most played melee classes in feast?
And why are you being so aggressive
stark oyster
Have you seen the highest ranked Jobs in Feast?
amber escarp
There's a reason samurai is the most played
stark oyster
Because it's the most braindead, yes
That doesn't make it amazing
It just means bad players can play it
amber escarp
Going to respectfully disagree. Also suggest you stop being so aggressive, especially when you said yourself you don't PvP lately. You said samurai is terrible, I said it isn't and now you're creating scenarios.
stark oyster
You didn't just say "it isn't"
you said it is amazing
If it was amazing it would consistently be in the top Feast teams, but it isn't Because DRG/NIN are strictly better melee DPS and MNK can be just as good if played optimally.
Don't try to gatekeep discussion by telling someone to "just talk to the melee experts" if you yourself are spouting wrong information
amber escarp
That's not gatekeeping. That's offering folks the proper avenue to reaching experts in the topic.
Stop being aggressive. It's insane how you're getting so outraged when you haven't even done PvP lately.
stark oyster
And it's insane how you immediately jumped into a discussion with wrong information. Yet here we are
amber escarp
Right. Anyway, to folks interested in learning any job is fine for large-scale PvP fights.
The top dogs for Feast are dragoon and samurai. Dragoon has insane pressure with constant bursts while samurai is a good middle ground with a dash, defensive in Chiten and the ability to hold on to burst. Ninja is in a good place after the recent buffs via raw numbers but is one of the harder melee to play properly.
In regards to tanks paladin is the weakest since against good players they can delete themselves thanks to cover and HM stacks. Warrior is good because of BB damage increase the the shirt HG cooldown. DRK is good if your comp required a more defensive tank thanks to TBN.
All rdps are viable in solo queue, including summoner but they're the weakest since they lack defensive and need to run in for their full burst.
Guides available in the pvpaissa discord that you can find pinned, as well as mentors that are willing to discuss and explain things to folks.
Good luck! There's another season coming soon so now is a good time to prepare if you want to make the climb to top 100!:)
leaden bane
just to kinda chime in here - in a Feast-specific context, DRG/SAM are generally agreed upon to be tops - dragoon has insane pressure and sam has great spike damage with better defensive utility, and they're generally considered the two best melee DPS for pvp for a lot of reasons
NIN is insanely versatile but requires a lot of effort and creative application of its toolkit to achieve the same results, and MNK's spike damage is massive but it requires either a MCH on rDPS to punch through defensives, or has to do a ton of defensive baiting
If I were to strictly rate melee DPS from best - worst, though, it'd be DRG > SAM > NIN >>>>>> MNK
as of late, teams have been heavily skewed towards DRG for melee since healer balance is tilted highly in WHM's favor - WHM's defensive toolkit is extremely strong, and so long as it's coordinated right, WHM can basically always have a defensive response to every burst. DRG's ramp up to burst is extremely fast and can more or less burst fast enough to bleed WHM's kit dry
IMO, I think the primary reason NIN has seen a surprising amount of play in FRC/community events (again, this is strictly from a feast perspective) is because one of the other issues NIN has is it requires a bit of a different playstyle out of the tank, and voice communications make it way easier to coordinate how NIN is going to use its CCs alongside the tanks
void nymph
Thanks for the great information guys, im not much of a pver focus mainly in pvp in every mmo ive played and interested to get into this
amber escarp
Welcome to FFXIV PvP! Just wanted to make sure folks got the right information from folks that actively PvP
stark oyster
lmao throwing shade for no reason again
leaden bane
For sure, man. Feel free to ping me for questions, and again, PVPaissa's a solid resource too 👍
stark oyster
SAM still isn't amazing and you barged in with wrong info to toot your own horn
amber escarp
You can take it as you'd like. Definitely wasn't shade, just facts that I'd like new folks to get proper info
stark oyster
And the info I gave was proper
Nothing I said was wrong
Just because you feel like a Job that takes 0 skill to play is better than one that takes a lot of finesse and work does not make that Job better
void nymph
You are right but if you haven't do it in a little bit its fair to let someone in the mix of it now state their peace as well 😛
I do appreciate your feedback though
stark oyster
MNK can perform as well and surpass SAM with the right comp and with the right player. SAM is not strictly better from a numbers perspective.
Ease of use shouldn't be used as a standard to tell players what Jobs are best
Because it should be assumed said players can eventually get good enough to become proficient enough to exceed expectations.
He did not ask what Job is easiest to get into, he asked the state of the Jobs.
So again, don't barge in with wrong info then get pissy when called out about it. And definitely don't go to your Discord and tell someone to come over because you want "the right people" here
amber escarp
I ask you to read back to see who's responding aggressively and who isn't.
stark oyster
I never stated I didn't actively PvP; I said I didn't go hard. I still keep up with the scene and still participate.
void nymph
I mean, if a job is ease of use and performs better than an average/bad of another role wouldn't that make it on top of that class thats played average/bad ;x
stark oyster
Being aggressive doesn't make me any less right and you being passive in your aggressiveness doesn't make you any less wrong.
Sorry if you feel someone trying to ensure correct information is said to newer players is too aggressive.
leaden bane
I... would personally disagree with the statement that MNK can surpass SAM. In the right comp, it can do things SAM can't (a MNK+MCH/BLM comp can straight up punch through defensives), but the windup on MNK's burst is significantly longer than other jobs and each burst is a massive commitment, where DRG is capable of bursting every 4 GCDs or so and SAM can have Midare in 3.
stark oyster
A comp having more commitment does not make it inherently worse, it just means it needs to be played differently.
High Risk / High Reward is as much a valuable trait as Low Risk / Low Reward
It comes down to a playstyle difference, and if the 4 players are committed to the comp and understand matchups
You're essentially arguing that Generalists are the kings because they are, generally, okay at everything and that niche Jobs are inherently worse. I disagree with that sentiment fully.
leaden bane
I don't disagree that it's inherently worse, I'm saying that in the context of the current meta where WHM can basically have a response to every burst, MNK's high level of commitment is a hard sale when DRG/SAM have toolkits that are a bit more suited to how the game currently plays. MNK is playable, but it has to be extremely patient and lean heavily on the tank/rDPS being able to sell fakeouts to make sure that MNK's damage actually goes through. While a good MNK player is going through the motions to do that, a DRG will have been able to burst 2 or 3 times and strip a ton of defensives, a SAM can burst just as heavily with a better dash/defensive toolkit, and NIN has an entire toolkit of CC available to it that can foil a MNK's burst if the tank drops the ball on it.
I remember talking to Brian Ricardo (member of AMP) about it, and they initially tried going for a MNK/MCH all-in comp and felt that while it had its potential, they preferred SAM/RDM due to having a lot more flexibility in how and when they burst
stark oyster
Yes, that's Risk / Reward assessment. MNK/MCH can crush some comps, especially if the MNK is exceptionally skiled at plying MNK
But SAM/RDM does "okay" against the field and thus will appear to have better results for the average player
I never said that the average joe should pick up MNK, the original poster asked about the state of Jobs. I said SAM is the worst from a pure numbers perspective. If a player commits all their time into NIN / MNK they can get the same or better results as someone who puts all their time into SAM, because NIN/MNK have higher ceilings than SAM.
That isn't to say someone playing SAM can't get top 100--of course they can. But I would rate SAM the lowest if you consider everyone is playing at their highest, highest peak level.
leaden bane
Talking pure numbers, MNK would be the highest, sure, but that can't be looked at in a vacuum, either. MNK's raw burst power is by far the highest, but its bursts are inflexible and it takes a lot of things lining up just right for MNK bursts to be successful. DRG and SAM are currently considered the best melee for PVP because while they don't have the same raw numbers, if any sort of CC comes out on the melee/rDPS, defensive abilities come out, et cetera, they can quickly build up to burst again.
In the context of actual matches, a lot has to line up right for MNK's burst to be successful, and a lot can be done to foil it. For instance, SAM and DRG's larger potency tools (midare for SAM, Geirs/Nastrond + jumps for DRG) can all be done without having to be on top of the target. So a DRG/SAM can do a lot to disguise their bursts and misdirect the enemy healer/tank into making mistakes. Meanwhile, MNK's two bursting tools (Tornado Kick and Forbidden Chakra) are both melee range skills. Wind Tackle, their gap closer, can be used to misdirect a bit and force out a defensive on one target, but ultimately the MNK is going to be chasing down its primary burst target, popping Riddle of Fire at some point (which is a huge red flag for the enemy healer/tank that a burst is about to go out), and try to squeeze out as much of its burst as possible on a target before getting stunned, pulled, bound, knocked, slowed, et cetera.
NIN doesn't end up running into those issues in PVP despite having the same issue of most of its toolkit being melee range only because its primary burst rotation includes a stun and a bind, so where a target can simply walk away from a MNK, they can't with a NIN.
Anyways, that was a lot of words, but hopefully provides a little bit of context. 👍
If anything, I feel like if MNK either had form shift made free, or got an oGCD that made it able to burst even a little more frequently, it would definitely be in a better position than it currently is meta-wise. Or if WHM ate a nerf on Protect/Benison cooldowns, because even DRGs have trouble with that as it is, and DRG has a burst every 4 GCDs.
faint elk
Ninja is pretty good for more uncoordinated play since it has good burst and extremely good disengage
restive lark
ninja is best if you put all your time into each job
monk is worst
drg is 2nd best and sam is 3rd
can't argue or discuss that fact
wicked wolf
i'm so behind on wins for Rival Wings..
marsh barn
So i just did shatter for the first time, pvp in general actually. Where do i go to farm wolf marks
Also combat seems ass if people keep runing away and back in range or something
rain swift
Depending on your datacenter there's usually weekly community events for certain PvP modes
I know Friday/Saturday on Aether data center people run Rival Wings
marsh barn
oh i thought its only on ranked feast?
amber escarp
Combat in PvP, especially large scale, takes getting used to because everyone is moving in and out range. So unlke PvE where you target one monster or just AoE packs down, you have to continuously judge prime targets and adjust. Give it a bit of time and effort and you'll be able to get the hang of it no problem. Generally though you want to build burst, find a prime target and use it on them.
What's a prime target? That depends on a lot of factors but it's generally someone out of position that you can burst down with your team. Throwing a marker on them can help get your team to focus fire. I also like using the old Feast countdown macro to get burst and CC to sync up (hopefully)
A big thing to remember in PvP is that things are always changing so you should always be assessing what's best to do. That comes with experience and willingness to learn though
faint elk
RR pops often during primetime hours
amber escarp
QUP
leaden bane
Yeah, large scale modes will have a lot of hit and run pressure since a bad commitment can just end up with your team getting picked off one by one.
wicked wolf
Also in most cases the "prime target" would typically be a healer
Besides cc i don't see much use out of tanks, and you can only cc 1 thing at a time
restive lark
They also prevent people from dying, but no one in FL knows that 
amber escarp
CC wins games TBH. Anyone can hit buttons to burst
Being able to properly CC requires a bit more game knowledge
Queue Feast Training on Aether on Friday 3/8 at 9pm EST.
lone dune
Hi, guys! Just got to where I can try PvP, are Q times usually this long?
stark oyster
Depends what you are queueing for. Feast queues are lengthy but Frontlines are generally quick
amber escarp
it's off season so feast isnt popping right now. frontline and rival wings are going strong
lone dune
Gotcha, I only really have the option for feast since I'm just starting
leaden bane
Also depends on the datacenter too. Aether has gotten semi frequent pops in training mode, primal's gotten them but usually pops the most on Fridays when there's an event running.
amber escarp
proven ice
Rival wings are quick pops. Your best best is queuing there
amber escarp
Don't forget that Aether is going to get Feast Training queues popping tonight at 9PM EST. Feel free to queue earlier, you might get lucky pops before the scheduled time!
Head on over to pvpaissa too so that you can read up on the rules if engagement before going on. Trust me, you'll have a much better time this way
clever moss
Reminder, Friday night Fights is starting in 20minutes on the Primal DataCenter Be sure to fill out this strawpoll so I get an idea what roles are needed to pop the que :D
https://strawpoll.com/sryg1zw9
(Strawpoll is for primal games)
amber escarp
amber escarp
how do i queue for pvp
amber escarp
via duty finder
oh you were in that match. gotta be really careful, you kept losing your healer by chasing ours blindly
if our melee wasnt also new you would have been punished way more than just 2 LM stacks
amber escarp
For the folks joining that have never stepped foot into feast please look at pins and join PvPaissa discord. Everyone will enjoy the matches more that way
monkaS
you know me :D
yea sorry about that, i was just tryna hop into a game
if your a fellow Coeurl player can I add u as a friend?
i'm on cactuar lol
how did we get into same game then
o.o
its cross server
oh okay
were we on the same team?
nah you were on the other team, but our melee was new too and playing mnk. mnk is a loooot harder to play and not very good lol
do you know what this means?
i just unlocked the frontlines
but i cant play 2 of the 3 gamemodes for it
@amber escarp
frontline is on a rotating schedule
only 1 of the maps per day is available
wicked wolf
yay.... 8 more days of rival wings...
amber escarp
grim flower
does anyone know if aetheryte earring's bonus exp work on pvp?
keen dragon
just did my 1st pvp had no idea what iwas doing so many ppl running
amber escarp
I doubt it @grim flower
Don't those items generally only work on xp given from mobs?
grim flower
k
thanks
i just wanted to see if i am getting bonus xp when i farm for glamour gear
amber escarp
@keen dragon yeah even casual PvP requires some reading beforehand. You can look at pins and join pvpaissa for general info to your job, Revival Wings is dedicated to Rival Wings but also has Frontline channels.
keen dragon
OH WOW TY oops still excited to learn thogh
proven ice
Need 2 more for team PVP queues. Nothing too serious. Just want to have fun and pull together some wins
amber escarp
@proven ice pvpaissa has experienced folks that generally like to do customs. Good place to start.
amber escarp
good 😃 that's a server dedicated to helping folks learn how to pvp
prisma siren
mech in pvp looks pretty spicy
amber escarp
its cool
neon knot
Good burst and you get to outmeme any warrior that uses holmgang on you
lost steeple
A good MCH in PvP is pretty terrifying to the point where I stay far the fuck away as a healer
faint elk
Ninja is a pretty neat for frontlines and rival wings. Absolutely insane amounts of CC, disengage, and solid burst that can solo down healers.
amber escarp
Yeah ninja is insanely good since CC is king in large-scale battles and they have good burst. Plus kill confirm that resets with assassinate
shut rapids
Got a few friends coming over from DAoC and we pretty much exclusively 8v8ed/rvr etc. How is the PvP scene in 14? I'm still wrapping up ARR storyline etc before jumping into PvP but wanted some general consensus to toss to guildmates
feels like its mostly a side thing here
casual pvp etc
restive lark
Main mode is 4v4, it's extremely team based, it's an extremely small community because the general community hates pvp
shut rapids
yeah, seems that way.
restive lark
Theres a ranked leaderboard and the devs are pushing it to be serious, it can be
restive lark
Just compositions, every match has a mandatory 1 tank 1 healer 1 ranged 1 melee setup
shut rapids
ahhh ok
restive lark
Premade team matches are fun and enjoyable, solo queue is a hassle since the general population just play for the exclusive reward, and the skill gap between the notable players and your casual joe is huge
shut rapids
yeah, I can imagine
PvE is a means to an end for us typically
there a disc/forum to find out best group comps/theorycrafting?
or this about it?
restive lark
Look up the pvpaissa discord
shut rapids
awesome, thanks for info
amber escarp
New PvP tournament announced for EU accounts. Lodestone post coming tomorrow :)
amber escarp
New Chaos only tournament taking place from March 29th - March 30th.
March 13th - March 20th is open registration.
Rewards are available in the lodestone post
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/72a051a804657027b5664b93e91c450c7c871fbc
tame gorge
clever moss
clever moss
Heyo, Weekly Reminder tonight at 7:00PM EST (in about one hour and 40 minutes) is Friday Night Fights on Primal and Aether Datacenters
Since we are currently in pre-season of the feast this will be a good time to practice and for Feast. I'll be Making a Straw Poll as it gets closer
to the time we start to figure out what roles are needed for the que as well.
(Remember you que The Feast (Training Match))
clever moss
https://strawpoll.com/23s9f8fw <--- If Quing Primal
https://strawpoll.com/gp46w783 <--- If Quing Aether
clever moss
https://www.twitch.tv/seinnosunshine
Will be streaming friday night fights tonight if anyone wants to see if games are ongoing
we are starting in 1min
plucky finch
In just under 2 hours, JP data centers will be trying to do Frontlines for around 4 hours. Not sure on other Data Center but Mana was getting back to back 72 player matches going
For yesturday
1 hour 45 mins to be exact
amber escarp
Ohh nice. Isn't FL pretty popular in general on Mana?
plucky finch
Well big PvP goes up and down depending on what's new
Like when Rival Wings was new, Frontline didn't pop
And that's when mainichi frontline was created, to organize this stuff
Then when Frontline got updated and had a new mount to it, Rival Wings died
and then there was some Rival Wings done on Sunday or something
Now with new Rival Wings, same thing that happaned with first one is happening again lol
marsh barn
what about elemental
plucky finch
No idea
amber escarp
makes sense. generally as difficulty ramps up the player pool is smaller
i thought JP would have RW and FL going at once. even here on aether and primal FL and RW pops
amber escarp
For Aether? Pops consistently during the season. Slows down in low ranks as the season moves in because the system naturally pushes people up to at least Gold so unranked - silver has less of a population
leaden bane
Aether gets pops pretty consistently all season except unranked-silver starts to dip towards the end for the reason eternal mentioned. Primal is about the same, but diamond has a habit of being extremely slow for pops
wicked wolf
whats the emptiest aether server?
its well into prime time right now and rival wings is still "more than 30 minutes" for queue on primal
brave girder
how is PLD in pvp
amber escarp
For Frontline and Rival Wings it's great. It has decent burst with Requisecat, a stun and a ranged silence as well as heals.
In Feast it's pretty weak. Cover is a strong but dangerous tool since you take increased damage. If a good team sees a PLD covering it's an easy Stun>burst death
Especially with warrior being meta and BB being spread around and the instant ranged stun
brave girder
ooh thanks man
amber escarp
no problem dude. i don't main tank though, so if you want more specific info you would be better off asking folks that main it in pvp
amber escarp
Feast Training taking place on Friday at 7pm EST. Join us at pvpaissa so you can talk to folks from your data center. Be sure to look up gameplay basics before jumping in.
amber escarp
Training popping on Aether right now
sonic quarry
Are u memein me
amber escarp
amber escarp
nah was serious
we gonna get queues popping again tonight at 9pm est if anyone is interested. please join pvpaissa to join us in post game chats and so that anyone that's new can read the guides so you know how to play.
gilded iris
buoyant moon
is pvp still decent for levelling?
plucky finch
Yeah, it's not crazy amazing. But if you actually enjoy the content you will be surprised at how many matches you've done and how you managed to level up even though it seems not that long
thorn ocean
I have gone from lvl 30-56 just doing PVP
rapid oar
how long did it take you
thorn ocean
can't remember
that was around season 5 on Feast so it was quite a while ago
broken pollen
do monks have cc?
thorn ocean
no
most ccs are usually given to tanks, and each healer has some on is some form, though other dps have 1 cc like BRD's silence and BLM's sleep
broken pollen
what about gapclose? only tackle?
so far been enjoying it, though still have to get used to monk pvp abilities. endedup playing heal a bit and had quite chill time
though only frontlines
thorn ocean
technically there's riddle of wind but it's the same button and is really just named differently
so yeah
thorn ocean
Currently, as with PvE, it's possible to play every job but some jobs are easier to play than others as some take significantly more effort for less reward compared to the 'better' jobs.
This is for the 4v4 mode The Feast
leaden bane
Pretty much the above. Only jobs I'd say to avoid starting off are Scholar (requires a TON of effort to reach the baseline of other healers) and maybe MNK (lot of windup on burst damage that is pretty easily defeated in 4v4 scenarios - HUGE damage but a failed burst hurts)
gilded iris
pepega
so in recap steffan(bless this man) banned chat and now we banned items
we also banned 8v8
and premade for GC
now heavens cracker
plucky finch
I can understand Heavenscracker, but I'm guessing this means RIP to Max Potions?
thorn ocean
yea
carmine plank
no more throwing fireworks over dead people 😦 what's even the point of pvp anymore
thorn ocean
next will be no emotes
But in the mean time, you can use the new emote from the beast tribe as an alternative lol
ocean lantern
Next there will be no attacks allowed.
ocean lantern
No winning the game at all
gilded iris
Next will be force solo queue wym
lets go
and only then we would officially killed pvp
ocean lantern
after killing pvp we need to move on to getting rid of pve so only cutscene remain in this game
rain swift
You unlock PvP from your Grand Company at level 30. You have to rank up in the GC a few times iirc.
You get Wolf Marks from PvP that let you buy a bunch of cosmetic armor/weapons/furniture/orchestrion rolls
There's a few minions and emotes as well
leaden bane
There's also rewards for tier placement and making top 100 in each season of Feast as well
frozen zealot
wasnt able to get into any hidden gorge game this week, there is no Queue pop whatsoever, already dead and I missed the monkey mount again? D:
timber cedar
is there a way for me to edit my pvp setup without being in a match
do i need to tp to wolf area
leaden bane
It's definitely slowed down, but Friday/Saturday/Sunday should see pops.
And you can edit your PVP UI/hotbars in wolves den pier, yes
leaden bane
for PVP specific UI elements you'll wanna click the 'Duty' radio button on the UI screen and it'll show
thorn ocean
Just wanted to mention here that Revival Wings has started scheduling for Hidden Gorge runs
if anyone wanted to play but couldn't find a game, here are the times for Friday, Saturday and Sunday for all DCs
EU : 7:00 PM Server Time
NA : 8:00 PM ET || 5:00 PT
for all you Chaos folks like me, the first HG scheduled run will be around 8 hours from now
I should also mention that there's no need for a premade party, you can just queue up solo if you want
gloomy plinth
That feeling when Mael/Flames are busy fighting mid, so we win for free
broken pollen
does mid objective give more points if u control more towers?
gloomy plinth
Pretty sure the points depend on the amount of damage dealt to the objective
safe moss
anyone from Leviathan knows of any PvP FC/LS?
foggy prairie
Hey guys just joined this discord and new to FF14... i've always loved the FF class sytem but im also a huge PvPer. I heard the PvP scene on FF14 was atrocious though. is this true? is there really a pvp scene? how big is it and its community?
will i struggle to find queues for Big BGs?
safe moss
@foggy prairie PvP in 14 is not that popular, is has been changed a few times and right now we have an equalized PvP system where gear doesn't matter since damage/hp is all fixed, also it has custom/reworked abilities available only in PvP not in PvE, you can join from lvl 30+ and get all skills even the ones you don't have all the way to 70 and get matched with players of all skill levels, queue times average from 5-15 at peak times and 30-50 on dead times.
Also if you want to win you need premades since joining solo will put you with randoms/first timers and chances of winning are close to none
graceful nexus
Anyone know any PvP FC/LS on Malboro?
last portal
Also on Leviathan looking for a PVP FC/LS
leaden bane
@foggy prairie XIV's pvp is pretty fun if you enjoy the style of gameplay it has (heavily teamwork oriented). 4v4s are a ton of fun in premade teams while soloqueue can be kind of inconsistent, and large scale PvP is pretty messy but fun in it's own right. I'd say to give it a shot if you're interested in it- just make sure you look over your PvP skills in wolves den pier before hopping in.
@graceful nexus and @last portal - as far as I know, there aren't any pvp specific FCs, possibly some cross-world linkshells, but your better bet is to join one of the pvp discords. If feast is what you're looking for, PvPaissa is best; rival wings/frontlines, the Revival Wings discord is your better bet.
Sorry for the pings, just making sure you all see!
amber escarp
static yew
devout harbor
austere matrix
ocean lantern
I like the PvP but i i cant seem to find any PvP Fcs on my relam/world
devout harbor
faint elk
is there any reason why the respawn counter increases with deaths in frontline but not in rival wings?
thorn ocean
probably because you die more often in RW and it's so much easier to die there without being able to do something about it (mech AoE, etc.)
it wouldn't help losing teams if ppl keep dying and the counter gets so high that it takes forever to defend
faint elk
well if counter gets high for losing team you can just camp their spawn which happens a lot in the heliodrome mode
regal leaf
Can anyone on primal queue for some PVP with me? I'm very new to PVP and I'd like a little guidance.
amber escarp
If yall are looking for people to play with check the pins out.
Revival Wings is the place for Frontline and Rival Wings. PvPaissa is a bit more Feast focused but the guides and mentors there can help with all game modes.
regal leaf
Wow yeah nevermind
That was the worst experience of my life
we ended with 2 points
Never touching that again, that was fucking awful.
amber escarp
that sucks
thorn ocean
We're trying to get RW to pop on EU right now.
If anyone wants to try, just queue Hidden Gorge 😃
rapid mural
Queue up for Hidden Gorge in 26 min pls!
gloomy stream
Greetings everyone! PvPaissa would like to introduce The Feast World Cup tournament!
Summary:
The Feast World Cup is a large-scale The Feast tournament that gives top PvP Teams from each region (NA, EU, JP) the rare opportunity to compete against top PvP teams from other regions! We want to build off the hype from the FRC (Feast Regional Championship) hosted by Square Enix. The tournament has a minimum $2,000 USD prize pool + extra donated crowdfund solely dedicated to the prize pool. Since our tournament encompasses all 3 regions, we have language support for primarily English and Japanese.
Registration Deadline: April 12, 2019
Tournament Dates: May 11, 2019 (Regional Qualifier); May 17/18, 2019 (Main Event: Group Stage); May 24/25, 2019 (Main Event: Playoff Stage)
Official Website: https://pvpaissa.com/world-cup
Tournament Layout Information: https://bit.ly/2G21Yfs
Reddit Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/av7kz9/the_feast_world_cup_information_schedule_and/ (Thanks r/ffxiv team for the pin!)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/PvPaissa
Twitch Channel that will stream the tournament: https://www.twitch.tv/pvpaissa
There will be many Mogstation giveaways during the streams as well! If you have any questions, feel free to DM me directly!
pearl bridge
brave girder
queue pvp roulette
regal leaf
Playing warrior in PVP is one hell of a drug
I basically just spent 15 minutes screaming my lungs out and beating the shit out of everyone I saw
gilded iris
restive lark
@regal leaf duel me 
regal leaf
@restive lark no I'll lose.
dusty leaf
help
clever moss
Remember to que Friday Night Fights tonight!! (Its started!!) The Feast Training Match Good Luck tonight!
faint elk
is DRK the new flavor of the month
ocean lantern
Is there a PvP guide for this game?
faint elk
check the pins @ocean lantern
brave girder
Friday pvp pops?
amber escarp
FIX THE PVP
amber escarp
^
restive lark
its already solid, just get good
amber escarp
There's to many cons then pros to invest the time to "get good" imo so I understand why some people say it sucks
Hoping for 5.0 changes to attract more interest in PvP in general for the community especially for the feast side of things
boreal barn
i think it's pretty solid right now but it'll take a long time to shake people's impressions of it as it was pretty abysmal for all of ARR and that's a hard view to break
amber escarp
The major con of PvP is FFXIV's terrible, terrible net coding but then again, that's a problem you learn to tolerate just as you do in PvE.
Not being able to communicate with chat is another problem but eh, we have discords to substitute that communication problem and the mode is too fast-paced to supplement chatting mid-fight anyways
PvP is at its most accessible at the moment, with square having reduced the amount of buttons you have from like 30+ to just 9 buttons, so it really doesn't take as much investment as you think nowadays. Just requires knowing a little bit of the inner intricacies that Square doesn't feel like explaining (for god knows what reason considering they're trying so hard to get as many people into PvP as possible) such as medals, countdowns, and understanding your role.
This is in regards to Feast though, if we're talking about Frontlines and Rival Wings, then yeah PvP sucks ass and it's easy to form a negative opinion about the mode when you experience pvp where unintelligible zerging and rampant botting takes place.
thorn ocean
Reminder that it's Rival Wings tonight!
EU : 6:00 PM Server Time
NA: 8:00 PM ET || 5:00 PM PT
stable needle
Is Aether or Primal better for PvP ques?
lost steeple
Aether in general, but more competition if you're trying for ranks
stable needle
I think more competition would be fun. But, I just want the fastest ques. I'm on Primal right now and they are alright some days but other days its kinda slow.
@lost steeple Do you think crystal will be better for pvp once it takes some of the popular servers?
lost steeple
I don't think so, cause most people on Crystal servers are jumping ship unless they want to RP
amber escarp
The pro to that is that rank climbing Should be easier in Crystal if your looking for those exclusive items
If people really are jumping ship as clown world claims
amber escarp
I wouldn't really say that to be honest
a lot of people on aether and primal are going to be sending their alts over to crystal to nab a top 100 spot for the heck of it
marble fox
what classes are meta in pvp?
spare ingot
Drk and samurai are pretty good
faint elk
in feast, WAR/PLD, WHM, DRG/SAM, and BLM/BRD are the comps most commonly used in high end teams
outside of feast for just random frontlines ninja, drk, and ast
amber escarp
yeh people say mnk isnt meta but a jp mnk player made it to r1 in less than 150 games
probably the only good mnk tho 
amber escarp
restive lark
fast viper
so as somebody who's considering doing ranked feast, with a decent understanding on the pvp rotation / feast mechanics, can somebody give me a short rundown of how the ranking system works? is it once there's a top 100 it stays like that? i've heard that there's no rank decay
restive lark
just climb high ya
strange cloud
How good has one to be to get the feast rewards?
amber escarp
if you have experience with other pvp games it's not that difficult, i made it to rank 15 on my first season and some have even made it to top 10 in their first season as well
the only difficult aspect of it is learning how to communicate in pvp through unorthodox means (such as through macros and discord and quick chat buttons since we cant type in feast), and by having the patience to sit in queue if you play a role that is overrepresented like ranged dps where queues can be up to an hour long whereas being a healer is instant pops
mystic warren
how weighted are wins and losses?
I primarily PvP in my other game, but pretty new to FF
a lil nervous just hopping in
amber escarp
if possible try and join pvpaissa and learn the ways on how players communicate
like knowing how a countdown works
mystic warren
awesome, thanks just joined it
thorn ocean
Quick info;
"Hello!" is used to tell others that you are ready to burst.
The countdown is self explanatory--perform burst at the right time.
pliant temple
Who is suposed to be picking targets and using the countdown feature. Because I only win games when people use that and actually have their bursts ready for it
amber escarp
melee usually
devout harbor
The most experienced ayer should but that usually defaults to melee. Most range and tanks will not even learn to do cds
south pivot
What is the reason for that ?
devout harbor
Because the most experienced player will likely be the one being able to keep track of defensives such as protect, tbn, safeguard. Positioning and the ability to peel out cooldowns is important outside of bursts.
Melee is a harder job than tank or range and as a result for the longest time, it's always been the better players on melee so that just became the norm for europe and america.
amber escarp
not exactly
the reason is mostly because melees require more set-up for their burst
while ranged and tank burst is more on-demand
MCH for example just has to press BTE to burst
a MNK will need to build chakras and GL to burst and a DRG has to jump until geirk or nastrong or whatever is ready
in a 5 second CD, a ranged can usually come up with something to make a burst but a sam won't be able to for example
south pivot
Interesting. Thank you
normal tinsel
i have been playing BRD in feast for awhile now and i was wondering if anyone can give me some tips
thorn ocean
I highly suggest joining PVPaissa to ask questions and read the guide there
I don't feel qualified enough to give you advice so I can only point to there, sorry
mighty crescent
hi new to this whole thing whats a good class/role for a beginner
do the queues have like waittimes? is tank still a fast queue for these
sonic copper
for pvp it barely matters. the queues will be long
amber escarp
^ not that true, during prime time the queues for FL are moderate , ranging from 10 to 15 minutes
sometimes 5-10 minutes during weekends
in feast it's mostly dead outside of primetime hours but during primetime your role heavily decides what is the fastest
healer and melee dps are the fastest with queues less than 5 minutes long or instant as a healer while ranged and tank are the longest with tank maybe being about 10-20 minutes and ranged being 20 to 40 minutes long
if you're used to waiting on pve roulettes as a dps player it really isn't that bad
thorn ocean
Rival Wings tomorrow if anyone wants to join in
Schedule is Saturday only for all DCs
Queue time for Aether, Primal and Crystal is 8 PM EST
for Chaos and Light, it's 7 PM GMT/ST (Server Time)
perfect opportunity to experience Hidden Gorge whilst getting those wolf marks for Garo gear
frozen night
@amber escarp I want your honest opinion 😄 is pvp really dead in this game as I heard from diffirent rumors? i dont want to get "in" if pvp is not worth playing
amber escarp
It is not dead
however there are specific timeframe where it is active and where it isn't
it's not like pve where you can usually find an activity 24/7
losing hurts a lot more in pvp than it does in pve, so people queue less as a result and queues usually die once it reaches 2-3 am in the morning
frozen night
i got you, of course im not thinking its like in wow but you know... the question is if im mostly pvp player in mmorpgs can i find activity there and dont meet all the time same players every 2or 3games
but as you said i can
okay thank you Tony 😄
carmine plank
you run into the same players an awful lot the more you climb
but that's part of the fun
can learn how people play and discuss the games with them over discord and stuff. keeps the community close.
high wave
I want to get these Garo Mounts before they vanish, what do you suggest me to do? I’ll have the title equipped by today
carmine plank
check out https://pvpaissa.com/ for class guides and discord link for feast related stuff if you have any questions.
normal tinsel
@high wave it depends on which of the mounts you want
you can get the gold and dark one by playing feast which is face paced 4v4
the gold one you need 30 and the dark one you need 60
you can track your progress here under the pvp tab in achievements
i personally am going for the gold and dark
the one you get from rival wings and frontline is neat to
and only takes 10 wins compared to the other mounts
and one top for feast
if you are dps you want to try to burst down the healer and either kill them or make them waste their cooldowns on themselves
if your able to get a cooldown or two out of them you can continue bursting them down since they probably used all their pvp skills and big heals or focus the dps
it pretty much depends on who is closest
but the risk of going all in for the healer is that the enemy team might try to do the same to your healer and whoever bursts one of them down before the other wins the trade honestly
and gain control
also remember to go for the medals that drop and always go for adrenaline kit that spawns in the middle and the tiny pots that give ultimate charge
which will really help out in bursting down a enemy
the ultimate from melee dps is one of the strongest for bursting down anybody if you coordinate well enough
leaden bane
I'd really recommend doing some reading before stepping into feast - that's a decent gist of what you wanna be doing in 4v4s, but matches right now are ranked (unless you're queueing training) and you're gonna have a pretty rough time without some previous research
Alternately, try to get training queue to pop so you can get a feel for it
high wave
Thanks guys Appreciate the Information you’ve provided
ocean lantern
If you're the healer how do you avoid being bursted down?
amber escarp
it's a combination of prediction and positioning
make sure that you're not in an open spot to get bursted down and always use those walls to move and slidecast and los the enemy dps
as well as having something ready just in case
keen turret
Oh boy getting all the Garo gear is gonna be fun
most of my classes arent anywhere near the level to equip
desert compass
i just used the dragoon set b/c it looks nice and i already have it at 70
keen turret
RDM is my only 70 and BLM/AST/DRK are my only 60's
but pvp queues are also ass
Been at 20 mins now for frontline daily
carmine plank
The queues always suck in early morning/late night unfortunately. FL is much more active in the afternoon and evening.
normal tinsel
@ocean lantern it’s also telegraphed by the enemy team if they suddenly start moving towards you and the dps laying their dots on you, so yeah like Tony said abuse the walls and you will be fine
as a ranged dps main it’s difficult to hit the healer if their shuffling around a wall
and i will be forced to come closer to you and your team
sage quarry
does lvl n gear not matter in feast
leaden bane
Nope, all stats are normalized, so wear whatever you want 👍
sage quarry
awesome!
ocean lantern
G L A M O U R
dusty willow
Anyone know is custom match wins in the feast count towards the Gloria mount?
pastel plank
Anyone wanna help me with the Garo Mounts ??
surreal forge
man, I really love frontlines when it's just 24 players and not 72, much easier to coordinate and work together
I wish I could sign up for just that
normal tinsel
you could probably find a group on party finder
amber escarp
yeah 72 man is absolutely the worst
it's a zergfest where you have less carry potential and it's harder to lead considering there's more people
leaden bane
@dusty willow no, but training matches do count
high wave
Yes training counts towards Garo achievement
sonic copper
It was answered literally one post above yours
pastel plank
Training Match ?
amber escarp
Did they fix pvp?
lost steeple
What was wrong
leaden bane
Pvp is fine, it's just very heavily skewed towards cooperative team play and you either like it or don't.
Pretty much every job could use a more fleshed out toolkit though.
amber escarp
Biggest issue with PvP is the FFXIV community lol
lost steeple
Pretty much. It’s not like WoW and GW2 where you have 1v1 duel/skirmishes in BGs and such. It’s all about working as a team
normal tinsel
and learning the new passives and additions to your current job
when in a pvp zone
and also learning how you can burst
topaz echo
even if it's large teams like 24v24v24 frontlines, it's amazing what some decent communication can do
amber escarp
people need to pvp more plz its fun
normal tinsel
there are people pvping
safe skiff
I plan to join pvp when I get my summoner high enough
plucky finch
As soon as you unlock Summoner, you can PvP with it
You only need to be a non limited job to unlock PvP
safe skiff
nice
safe skiff
Hard??
rain swift
The hardest part is other people
safe skiff
Lol
rain swift
Seriously. Every SAM I've had on my team bum rushes the healer and dies immediately
amber escarp
Sounds like a line of sight issue
rain swift
I mean, if you dive the enemy team at the start, what do you expect?
amber escarp
amber escarp
Seppuku!
violet knot
tbh, i dont think is fair you farm the whole garo set to be able to start the mounts achvmt. It takes super long'
smoky fulcrum
Don’t worry... u still have 12 more job gear set to farm after... lawl
Got my 8th set when gotten last mount achievement 😉
violet knot
oooof. Im doing feast once or twice a day. I am planning to get my first set this weekend. Do you think I will have time to farm these mounts before the time expire?
around 3 runs a day because the queues are like oooof
normal tinsel
it took me 4 days of non stop feast and at least 140 games to get both mounts and two sets
violet knot
@normal tinsel I will try to do the same this weekend. But the lines tho... 30min per match of feast training is insane. Should I go as a tanker or healer?
normal tinsel
i play ranked which are actually faster ques since the Feast season started again
violet knot
but it is also waaay harder to win right?
normal tinsel
depends on your team and you knowing their roles
i will give you a guide
https://pvpaissa.com @violet knot
on this site you will find guides and a discord server involved with feast
on the discord you can find mentors and advice
and since not a lot of people play pvp you will occasionally run into the same players you face on the discord as well
and get some critism on your performance from them
normal tinsel
if you so happen to be on crystal i can invite you to a pvp linkshell
violet knot
Behemoth here, Still, thanks @normal tinsel . I will read and make sure I can do my best (until i get my garo mount of course :P)
amber escarp
Remember that you can simply find 7 other players and all queue for training at the same time and it will pop
That way you avoid stinking up matches for ranked. Unless you want to play ranked, then by all means try your best and try to learn
gilded iris
frozen night
is there any news about future plans for pvp?
amber escarp
Nope
normal tinsel
possibly once shadowbringers drop
it would be cool if they added a Ai tutorial for new players
lost steeple
People come in here and are like "wow why are XIV PvP queues so long" and I'm just like
tulip pier
WoW?
lost steeple
Yeah
past dawn
wOw
dry shoal
i miss the old 16 hour av matches
amber escarp
What. WoW PvP is perfect. People here always say they play WoW for PvP because it's "a thing" there. Don't bring this blasphemy in here
hidden cosmos
i wish adders weren't dead pvp wise on excalibur
they've pretty much been the server punching bag since like
2.1
sam's job is to be the most mobile/sneakiest and annoyingest bastard on the team
can easily run away, can almost always chase down a enemy
so very good for poking, probing, diving, and causing the enemy to chase you and over extend, also ninja capping, and leading one faction into the other faction till you do it so much they send 4 people on each side to hunt you down each time 😄
sam is everything monk was till they reworked pvp, except it can actually fight and overpower any nontank or healer in a 1v1
all monk could do was ninja cap and one ilm punch people protects/regens off without them realizing
thorn ocean
We're trying to get Hidden Gorge to pop right now on EU servers!
If anyone wants to try the game mode as well, now's the time to queue (solo/in a party, it doesn't matter)
thorn ocean
HG is popping right now on Light!
surreal forge
defecting to maelstrom for seal rock wins is the best decision I made
strange cloud
Maelstrong!
Ticking off that Freelancer tag is the best thing I've ever done. For some reason, Flames keeps on losing with 0 points in Seal Rock...
pastel plank
Need Help with The Feast Garo Event
amber escarp
If you find 7 people you can queue for training together to farm it
Just put a PF up advertising farming Garo. I'm sure you'll get bites
fervent stirrup
Is there any pvp discords or mentors willing to help me learn how to play dragoon?
lunar sentinel
its honestly pathetic how delicate this game's community is
amber escarp
yeah?