archived-player-vs-player

[sterile ibex]

welcome to blm

[fast spoke]

And I was only one diving them so

[dreamy ridge]

I wish I had competent teams all the time

[buoyant hatch]

I also want 200 billion dollars

[patent pine]

I was being very specific for the statuses

As in honest to god “stun” status

But you’re right

And at that point Poly is silence+

[sterile ibex]

yeah

meteo is stun+

[patent pine]

Stun++

[sterile ibex]

taunt and fear is stun+-

[patent pine]

Fear gets its own mention

Depending on who uses it

Forcewalking people into hazards 🙏

[sterile ibex]

then taunt takes too long to go off

[torpid pewter]

making people walk themselves off the bridge to their death

[regal kettle]

Come one, come all, and "All That Glitters is Gold!"

PvP Revival is hosting a glam contest on October 10th - 4pm PT / 7pm ET on Zalera!

Come show off your best gilded glamours, then get ready to dive into a glittering bout of Rival Wings with Midas Monday afterwards!

Don’t be a drab little crab, and dazzle us with your shiny gold to have a chance to win the Resplendent Vessel of Ronka mount!

Contest requirements are available in the event listing: https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=1026715987183149146

[glad ravine]

Come one, come all, and "All That Glitters is Gold!"

PvP Revival is hosting a glam contest on October 10th - 4pm PT / 7pm ET on Zalera!

Come show off your best gilded glamours, then get ready to dive into a glittering bout of Rival Wings with Midas Monday afterwards!

Don’t be a drab little crab, and dazzle us with your shiny gold to have a chance to win the Resplendent Vessel of Ronka mount!

Contest requirements are available in the event listing: https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=1026715987183149146

[real cloak]

Come one, come all, and "All That Glitters is Gold!"

PvP Revival is hosting a glam contest on October 10th - 4pm PT / 7pm ET on Zalera!

Come show off your best gilded glamours, then get ready to dive into a glittering bout of Rival Wings with Midas Monday afterwards!

Don’t be a drab little crab, and dazzle us with your shiny gold to have a chance to win the Resplendent Vessel of Ronka mount!

Contest requirements are available in the event listing: https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=1026715987183149146

[dreamy ridge]

smh the bot is spamming

[regal kettle]

EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS

Happy spook month everyone!

Another weekend full of Rival Wings is coming your way and this time it's getting spooky! 👻
Bring forth your spookiest glams to turn the Hidden Gorge into a battlefield of ghosts, pumpkin heads and what not!
As always get the word out and tell your friends to join us so that we can get that queue poppin'! See you on the battlefield. 🦇

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light DC
Sunday: Light DC
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1026448402218745936
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[dreamy ridge]

okay idea, don't let people into ranked unless they have an X amount of wins in casual

[patent gazelle]

I went straight to rank after 2 wins in casual

[patent pine]

Changes nothing

You can see people dont know what recup is in Crystal

[dreamy ridge]

[deft oriole]

I have never played a casual match

Went straight into ranked and caught on immediately just fine

[patent gazelle]

Honestly if youre stuck in gold for a long while, you probably are decidedly really meant to be in that rank

Gold and below

Theres a massive skill difference between a t100 crystal player and plat players in general ive seen

[exotic kayak]

Well, not arguing that...

Considering I've been in gold for two months...

I haven't gotten above Gold 2 before going straight back down to Gold 4.

[patent pine]

Most of player skill isnt even job playstyle but map awareness and positioning

[wheat cargo]

Eyes issue

[patent pine]

Surprisingly, yes

[dreamy ridge]

I'll never escape Bronze 3 now

[dreamy ridge]

honestly I stg I can't move 3 inches in ranked without getting stunned, dozed, bound or slowed

I get pushed and whatnot

the current pvp is all about who can stun better

[patent pine]

Then you meet a sage who bursts you down with no cc

[dreamy ridge]

nobody plays sage

[patent pine]

Current pvp is about awareness and teamwork™️

I do lol

[dreamy ridge]

how do you expect to team work when I can't even communicate

[patent pine]

Playing a job is the best way to learn its weaknesses

And counters

[dreamy ridge]

and no, I do not count fucking quick chat as communication

[patent pine]

You’d be surprised how much an “attacking X” pulls people’s shit together

[dreamy ridge]

not on EU for some reason

[patent pine]

Oh EU

Cant help there

[dreamy ridge]

I am limited by my teammates

no matter what I do, my teammates just can't work with me

[patent pine]

Why dont you try working with them instead then

If you see someone being attacked, focus them

2v1 on bursts can do wonder

If everybody wants to be the “lead” then the team will crumble from lack of coordination

[dreamy ridge]

I do not want to lead but I never know where everyone is and I get focused

[patent pine]

Sad to say

Awareness

Sometimes a retreat is in order to compose yourself

There’s a few details to focus at all times

[spiral brook]

#translations-and-liveletters message

Will it finally be fixed?

[rocky shale]

https://imgur.com/a/8j0TWbZ

Living Dead can't save a player from falling.

Got it.

[pseudo hamlet]

Rival wings roulette

I beg

[spring void]

Exactly how much pvp series xp do you need to reach level 25. I'm trying to figure out how many more frontlines/Crystal conflicts I need to get the mount

[true saffron]

once you've bought everything from the shop, what to do with trophy crystals?

[spiral brook]

You can buy Wolf Collars to then exchange for 4k Wolf Marks per collar

and those wolf marks can be then exchanged for something like the i180/i205 accessories to turn them into GC seals

[true saffron]

anything worthwhile to get with the seals?

[spiral brook]

there's a lot of different collectables and such, like mounts/minions/hairstyles/emotes, outdated gear and glamour sets

but in the end it's all vanity

[true saffron]

ah ok. anything worth selling? i'm also maxed out on GC seals

[patent gazelle]

i just keep on buying prisms and dark matter

[true saffron]

guess that makes sense

[velvet bane]

getting out of bronze is the worst

[velvet bane]

welp. back down from one freaking match to silver to broze 3 zero stars. what a freaking waste of a day.

[regal kettle]

EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS

Greetings everyone!

You know the deal by now! Come to the correct DC at the right time and queue up for some Rival Wings! 6.25 is around the corner so let's make those queues pop once more before everyone gets lost in those new dungeons!

Don't forget to tell your friends, FC mates and pets to tag along!

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Sunday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1029447833440485419
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https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1028787458239897700
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[glad ravine]

FRONTLINE QUEUE SYNC

Our friends over at ARGO is hosting a Seal Rock queue sync tonight. Join us for some fast-paced Frontline matches!

⏰ TODAY - 9:00 PM ET / 6:00 PM PT
📍 Gilgamesh Wolves Den Pier, Aether DC
🗓️ https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1021522732606836787

Hope to see you there!

[wooden grove]

there's a #cc-macros channel in revival that you can use to signal which targets to focus on

[wooden grove]

[wheat cargo]

@tawny mural please blur names if you are going to post screenshots of players showing them in a negative light thanks

[tawny mural]

so if i just post the screenshot and say nothing is that ok?

[vast crag]

yeah, just erase the name

[wheat cargo]

just hide names if possible

[amber escarp]

Playing casual cc is so different after bashing my head against ranked since the beginning

[velvet bane]

Seriously. I got one game from silver and then got a terrible streak, and it just killed my desire to go at it again. Casual is just fine though.

[sterile ibex]

remember
the only difference between ranked and casual is how you look at it (since decay doesn't exist ever and demotion only exists in diamond and crystal)
aka just treat ranked like casuals and youll feel a lot better about it
atleast it's what I did for a little bit this season before I decided to stop doing cc

low ranks play like casual lobbies anyway

[dreamy ridge]

It's hard when the enemy gets a gold player and they decide to crush everyone

Yesterday CC was not good

We won, but I kept licking the floor

[velvet bane]

Or when your teammates decide to chase the paladin all across the map instead of killing the target you called and set up on a platter for them

[pseudo hamlet]

Paladin cheese killed

Ggz

[sterile ibex]

all 3 players that enjoy frontlines can now live in peace that their shitty gamemode doesnt have game breaking bugs

[pseudo hamlet]

Pretty based take^

Job changes in 6.28

I really struggle to think about which jobs get changed

Most are fine I feel?

[sterile ibex]

there's some jank things with how circle aoes work

aka fucking honing

idk how things do in cc though

i just know i cry when im right on top of someone in a duel with honing and i cant hit them because of how shit netcode is

[pseudo hamlet]

I have a bigger issue with starfall

Starfall never aoe cleaves

[sterile ibex]

it's because it's a line
it's just netcode things in general

[pseudo hamlet]

If they are slightly off it doesn’t hit anyone else

[sterile ibex]

same thing would happen with purgation to a lesser degree because that's fucking wide

[pseudo hamlet]

Which is really annoying because dncs biggest strength is it’s aoe

Feels bad

[sterile ibex]

not chasing

[subtle hornet]

[sterile ibex]

honing speed buff while casting and using it early doesnt trigger your gcd timer

[buoyant hatch]

No more paladin cheese in frontlines

[subtle hornet]

Back to your regularly scheduled murder

[buoyant hatch]

But they only said about taking control on objects. So does that mean elixir still works?

[subtle hornet]

Elixir would be an intended use of cover, wouldn't it?

[pseudo hamlet]

Yes

[sullen mist]

all the paladin duos in frontlines who "just really like the class" gonna mysteriously vanish

[amber escarp]

I occasionally play pally, if only because it's hilarious to be running around as a hate sink

Low health, pop lb, watch as enemy ninjas blow their lbs on you

[buoyant hatch]

I finally played blm in pvp and what the fk is this job

And I thought dragoon is strong

[sterile ibex]

welcome to yoshi p's baby

now have fun sniping the random brd trying to elixir 28y away through 7 different walls

[dreamy ridge]

So that's how I keep dying

I'm gonna break into SE's HQ and nerf them casters myself

[regal kettle]

EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS

Greetings everyone!

I hope y'all are enjoying the new 6.25 content! Here's this weekends schedule for EU Rival Wings (not that anything has changed)! Come to the right DC at the right day and smack some mammets!

Don't forget to tell your friends, FC buddies and what not to come along too!

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Sunday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1032233730716213359
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1032234515084615730
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1032235886231957504
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[regal kettle]

Something spooky is happening in the Hidden Gorge…

Q-up Rival Wings in your spooky glams for some haunted Halloween fun! Don't have a glam? Complete the All Saint's Wake event to get one for free!

Trick or Treat with Revival staff on the Leviathan Wolves Den Pier for some halloween goodies!

https://discord.gg/CEMDgGyC3s?event=1030491269576806531

[buoyant hatch]

The season is ending but the series is still up for a few more months right?

[sterile ibex]

yup

series is getting swapped out every major patch

idk about season timer though

[buoyant hatch]

[cerulean cloak]

damn pvp is full of hackers now

SE doesn't care because its less than 1% of the population

I fought a MNK that uses Enl after Enl

it has 20s cd the fuck he can use it twice in a row

[dreamy ridge]

I don't think you can hack that

[cerulean cloak]

i don't until now

because im a MNK main too but after he Enl me to save his teammate he did it again after i thunderclap

and i fought him again same thing happen 2 matches

[amber escarp]

Hope he gets banned

[broken matrix]

He won't. They got a total of like 5 people who oversees/investigates reports for cheating/hacking. Someone who was reported months ago for speed hacking is still around.

[amber escarp]

That's shit

[wooden grove]

PvP guides for job kits, game modes (e.g. Crystalline Conflict, Frontline, Rival Wings), and general other tips. Highly recommend taking a quick look at these infographics, as they're all very beginner friendly.
https://rhiaguides.carrd.co/

[pseudo hamlet]

Their great

Gonna try and learn new jobs

[wooden grove]

wish more people knew about them

cuz i just went through like three onsal games in a row where i was like, one of maybe five people who had more than Battle High 2

[subtle hornet]

Battle high is amazing

[pseudo hamlet]

Can this get pinned actually @patent gazelle

[dreamy ridge]

Oh hey it's a guide from Rhia, I love them

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks channy

That guide help me play reaper

Had no clue what my goal was but now I get it

Job is fun too

[patent gazelle]

Rpr is a supporty, tanky melee

That has a strong burst but kinda easier to counter

[amber escarp]

Ninjas lose 1v1s?

[vast crag]

ninja isn't a dueler, they are assassin

monk will wrekt them

they are good at finishing people off

[amber escarp]

I've fought enough Ninjas to know that they do pretty well regardless. I don't see them as having any real weaknesses

[tepid pier]

I think ninja's main weakness is that using your defensives costs you a lot of damage or cc over the course of a fight

Not being able to just back and forth hyosho/gokka or your 4 second stun because you had to pop hyoton to get away kind of hurts, from what I understand

Ninja's defensives are very strong, but they come at the cost of your direct firepower.

This is, of course, not a problem when a nin can just gank and burst down a weakened target. It's more of a problem in the case of attrition-based fights, where the enemy is effectively mitigating your team's damage (pld, scholar, etc)

All of this is just my silly little thoughts on it though. I don't actually play ninja myself

[ionic loom]

Hurts them a little in cc but in FL ninja thrives off in and out ganking

[tepid pier]

Oh absolutely, frontline ninja is a whole different ball game

[dreamy ridge]

I misread that as fortnite ninja

[pseudo hamlet]

Man fuck reaper

This burst is so damn obvious

Strict timers every where for dealing damage

Just to get CC’ed and fucked

Incredible

I’m playing it wrong and am salty

I hate how communio works

[patent gazelle]

NINs are just gonna eventually lose to 1v1s in Crystalline Conflict

[sterile ibex]

in cc

it takes 90sec for a nin to win a 1v1

[patent gazelle]

Thing is in duels nin can just stall out almost everything

Except mnk

Thats why nin is kinda okay in duels

But in cc it takes way too long , that enemies might surround you

[sterile ibex]

nah nin is great in duels because it stalls out
only omega loses to mnk and rdm
rpr it's 65/35 iirc or something close to that

although most play is drg mnk and rdm

which I'm pretty sure nin loses to drg

[patent gazelle]

I dont think nin loses to drg

[sterile ibex]

idk I might be wrong
it's been a while

[patent gazelle]

Its even or even maybe favored to nin tbh

[queen gyro]

It’s an interesting matchup but the matches tend to never happen in a vacuum so it could go either way

DRG has elusive jump which they can use when NIN tries to Assassinate, and NIN can stall out Horrid Roar by using defensive Justus

But Horrid Roar can also be used to cancel out Trick Attack

[sterile ibex]

it's more of like
nin doesnt do well when it's faced with high pressure
which drg brings a lot of
but nin could also possibly rat enough to get the funny execute

[glossy radish]

my friends in pvp CC, question
did they announce what is the gear reward for top 100?

[deft oriole]

It’s a title and portrait frames

[glossy radish]

so no gear like this??

[exotic kayak]

This was an exclusive Feast ranking reward and there's no announcements to bring them back.

The Maiming and Fending sets from the newest story dungeons have a similar feel but it's not exact.

[glossy radish]

you're talking about the last savage raid gear am i right

[exotic kayak]

No, old PvP gear.

[glossy radish]

if you don't mind sharing name or link pls ?^^ would really appreciate it

[exotic kayak]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Shadowstalker's_Armor

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/images/thumb/9/9a/Model-Shadowstalker's_Armor-Male-Hyur.png/380px-Model-Shadowstalker's_Armor-Male-Hyur.png

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Shadowstalker's_Attire_Coffer

For the whole set.

[pseudo hamlet]

If it makes you feel better next patch there will be new pvp gear

It alternates between mount and gear set

I wonder if they’ll do recolor aswell

[patent pine]

Let me buy shadowcleaver/stalker for trophy crystals

Smh

[pseudo hamlet]

im about to be capped on mines with nothing i want to spend it on lol

id glady pay 20,000 for it

[sand estuary]

Is it normal to mentally check out of a casual cc match after losing two teamfights? Like I know a comeback is possible but I don’t see any real benefit to go for it

[wheat cargo]

i mean

if you're tilting and giving up

it is what it is

but just try your best

its a team game

[dreamy ridge]

I did drag my team back from defeat once using nothing but pure rage and doom music

[glossy radish]

is it true season going to end on 1st of November ?

[patent gazelle]

Ye

[pseudo hamlet]

Yes season ends but not series

[buoyant hatch]

So like

NIN seems pretty hard to play

The one thing I dont get is when to use Meisui and when to use Huton

Cuz they are both defensives

[spiral brook]

From how I'm judging their tooltips;
Huton for when you need to run away/disengage
Meisui for healing a teammate or yourself and aren't getting focused too hard to need to retreat.

[buoyant hatch]

In practice it feels more like whichever button you press faster ngl

[patent gazelle]

Meisui if you can guard and survive longer than you think

Huton if youre running to a potion

Imo theyre pretty interchangeable but Meisui is better usually.

[amber escarp]

You run -really- fast with huton

Good for chasing as well

[cerulean cloak]

There are matches sometimes that enemy players knows exactly who to target and when to burst.

its like they are aware everything that is going on in the map.

[dreamy ridge]

Almost as if they're paying attention to all the information the game gives you by default

Protip: you can see the enemy's mana bar

[cerulean cloak]

yes thats very basic

but i don't have 95% overall awareness all the time.

can't track everyones guard cd, stun break but others seem they know when most of my teammates are out of CD.

[dreamy ridge]

Well either they're very attentive, lucky or using cactpot to cheat

Also depends on map tbh

In CC almost everyone does the guard up to negate the wind sweep up

From there only a quick head count to see how much you got till cd is down

[patent gazelle]

In crystal

You mark a target

Usually someone who just guarded +purified

They will usually die cause everyone in your team is watching them

[cerulean cloak]

Its sad that the in game content i enjoy is one of the least popular and lowest priority in terms of adding new stuff.

I enjoy playing MNK but i'm not a raider but i enjoy Eureka and pvp but there is not much stuff to do or glam for it as a reward.

[regal kettle]

** EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS **

Greetings everyone!

Halloween is quickly approaching and just in time we have another weekend full of spooktastic events! Come to the correct DC at the right time for some ghostly matches!

Don't forget to tell your friends, FC buddies and what not to come along too!

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Sunday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1034429375963213914
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[amber escarp]

Me having Rival Wings on my Wonderous Tails for the 4th week straight

Alright Alright I'll try it!

[tight marsh]

haven't played in a bit what jobs are decent picks in frontlines?

[ionic loom]

Yes

[vast crag]

SMN/DRG/DRK/SCH/BRD for each role probably

caster/melee/tank/healer/ranged

[ionic loom]

The one you're good at. Drg is apparently op but I struggle with it and would go monk or ninja over it every time

[vast crag]

well ofc you still need to know how the jobs work ._.

[pseudo hamlet]

Melees are busted in frontline

They all don’t die at all it’s annoying as fuck

The best damage
The best escape tools
The best lbs
Tank level mitigation/health

[crimson bobcat]

drg is able to do more dmg in fl, but it's easier to get caught out of position

esp since you will usually ej before fighting

[ionic loom]

My point is they are all decent. Just stick with the team and do objectives. Cc is another game but fl you should play around with different jobs till u find the 1 u excel with best.

[amber escarp]

DRGs deal a lot of damage. They're relatively fragile though, because to really deal damage, they will have to use Geirskogul, which while it buffs their damage by 25 percent, also increases the damage they take by 25 percent

and their biggest piece of damage comes out of backflipping to set up, which kind of eliminates their escape option

They also have no crowd control whatsoever

[exotic kayak]

DRG will struggle to nail quick solo kills, but their AOE burst will quickly mop up injured stragglers who don't but Recuperate quickly enough.

Geirskogul -> Max Range Wyrmwind Thrust -> Nastrond is 34,000 damage as a line AOE.

If a DRG marks you with Horrid Roar, it's best to play defensively or switch targets since your damage against the DRG is neutered.

Oh wait, Frontline.

[amber escarp]

Same applies in frontline

[sharp maple]

Duelists are based

[sterile ibex]

all 10 of them

[sharp maple]

I can name.more than 10

[sterile ibex]

do it

[sharp maple]

Me,
Celliera,
Zeltra,
Jay,
Kyuto,
Azure,
Talon,
Violo,
Cloie,
Setsuna,
Shallow,
Seretre,
And many others I've met but can't think of their names off the top of my head.

But Ive been to every den on all 3 DCs

[sterile ibex]

I mean
I said 10 as a joke because it's a dead game mode but I genuinely don't think anyone would be able to pinpoint more than 250 people across every world that actively duels tbh

[sharp maple]

Ahh

[sterile ibex]

in a game with atleast 1mil players

[sharp maple]

It's not as popular as it used to be, but there's still a lot that play it

[sterile ibex]

by all means in terms of the size of the game it's still deadge

[sharp maple]

A lot of the CC players also duel on the side to practice with jobs

[dreamy ridge]

Well not much incentive to do duels besides bragging rights

[sterile ibex]

yeah

or player made tournaments

[sharp maple]

No actually

People duel because its fun

[sterile ibex]

saying the reason why it's mostly deadge

[sharp maple]

Oh then yes

But I don't think there ever was dueling rewards?

Unless if a tournament held by someone

[sterile ibex]

cc atleast has the incentive of the series and wolf marks in a speed that makes frontlines irrelevant for it as a farming method

yeah all duel rewards are player provided

there's that 1 yellow quest that gives 400 xp ig but

that doesn't even make you duel

[sharp maple]

I will say though

[sterile ibex]

I mean that's just mechanical skill in general

since class choice is so restricted in duels it all just comes down to mechanical skill

[sharp maple]

However it doesn't work in the reverse really.
A top CC player cant just go duel and be very good at it.

Dueling makes you able to be more self dependant as a player

If you're only experienced in having teammates, duelings a new world

But I would agree CC has a higher skill ceiling compared to dueling

simply based on how jobs are designed

[sterile ibex]

it's just a different skill entirely
cc is much more focused on setup and playing off of setup
dueling is just exploiting your opponents weaknesses

[sharp maple]

Yes

Though

if you're experienced in exploiting those weaknesses, going into CC you can do the same thing

You'd just have to adjust at the difference of CC

Dueling isnt a required skill, no. But it does help

[sterile ibex]

I get that you're like
passionate about dueling and how it shouldn't be deadge or whatever
but it's just coming off as super preachy LMAO

[sharp maple]

I'm not?

I only started dueling 3 weeks ago

I also never said it should or shouldn't be dead, just that it's not.

[pseudo hamlet]

Dueling sucks

[sharp maple]

To you

[pseudo hamlet]

Fair

But it’s not a game mode at all

[sharp maple]

Its not

But its fun to a handful

[pseudo hamlet]

I guess

It certainly is something

[sharp maple]

I mean the Wolves' Den arena wasnt added for no reason

[pseudo hamlet]

But I love rival wings so I can’t judge dead pvp modes

[sharp maple]

RW is very fu

Fun*

[pseudo hamlet]

Yoshi p mentioned it in a interview saying it’s getting more popular

Recently

Rival wings daily challenge

Please mr Yoshi p….

[sterile ibex]

ig that's just a side effect of pvp being more popular

[pseudo hamlet]

Yea he said it got more popular due to crystalline conflict

Not popular I think he said more interest

They want to increase rewards for pvp next to keep people playing which is good to hear

[sharp maple]

Some nights through the week, my friends invite me for RW gank sessions and RP walk on their bodies

Don't ask why

That's just what we do xd

But RW is very fun

Better than CC imo

[ionic loom]

Dueling helps for sure but it's unbalanced. 1 mnk lb combo wins every time. I would rather see a 3 v 3 or even 2 v 2 mode.

[sharp maple]

Not true actually. Monk vs Monk you can live LB with thunderclap, or as another example, DRG using Roar

Its unbalanced yes, but you can def live Monk LB

and casters like BLM and RDM can actually kill a Monk before their LB sometimes

Its just that, half the Jobs in the game arent that good at dueling. But the ones that are can compete

[ionic loom]

Idk I don't play a monk often but use it for duels and have won every time making a ton of mistakes along the way. Jus need to know when to cast that lb and gg from my experience

[sharp maple]

Depends who youre fighting, not many Monks know what they're doing

[ionic loom]

Only way I can take duels srsly is if they remove recuperate or severely nerf it in 1 vs 1 situation. Maybe guard too

[sharp maple]

Play against the good duelists and its different

Unless they're using a job with 48k or 51k HP

Because Phoenix+Enlight LB does 48k

If the enemy has no mits on or debuffs on you

[sterile ibex]

nah recupe and guard are entirely fine and a lot of the mental game from dueling is keeping track of the mp of an opponent
and it let's a lot of jobs actually live and considering all jobs have it in an equal capacity it's entirely fine

outside of ratty games, most duels last a minute or 2

[sharp maple]

I once accidentally KOd someone in like 20sec, monk vs monk.
But yes usually most games last between 1-2min, but 2min is pushing it a bit unless it's like...Whm vs Whm (I've seen this happen and its glorious)

[sterile ibex]

I've had a 1hr duel with whm v war

[sharp maple]

XD

Then there's PLD

[sterile ibex]

yeah pld is why I said most ☠️

[sharp maple]

The only way to beat PLD is out damaging their heals which is very hard

[sterile ibex]

luckily pld is banned with tourney rules but man

i just feel bad for the people that have fun dueling pld

[sharp maple]

I think the only PLD that's beaten me was Zeltras when they taught me how to fight them, but PLDs are very hard to kill.

Took me 6mins and 5 LBs to kill one once.

4*

And they complained when they lost

Like, anything less than S tier cannot beat a PLD

Unless that PLD player is just awful

[amber escarp]

I'm sorry

What is dueling

Is that literally just the 1v1 in the den?

[spiral brook]

Yep

[vast crag]

I thought these people dueling is just the next step to practice after dummy, lol

👀 never knew there's a tourney for it

hence why I thought den is placed right beside the dummy places

[sterile ibex]

the dummies make it actually really practical as blm

since your af/ui stacks dont reset

and neither does your lb stacks

and xenoglossy iirc

er

foul

[vast crag]

hmm weird, I don't remember them having foul/xeno

but then I haven't played it for a while

[sterile ibex]

it's in their lb

since the start

[vast crag]

ic ic

[sterile ibex]

it's foul but i usually just call it xeno because foul is stinky

[sharp maple]

Yeah dueling is just 1v1.
Like CC is 5v5

[sharp maple]

Tbh yes

[weak prism]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[north citrus]

is 1v1 balance

[north citrus]

i see

[dreamy ridge]

In other words, no

[exotic kayak]

Some jobs, like MNK, RDM, and RPR, are better at 1v1 than others.

[north citrus]

Why do mnk lb only does 12k dmg?
Its supposed to be 24k if no guard right?

[pseudo hamlet]

!pvpaction meteodrive

[surreal token]

**Meteodrive** : MNK (1 None) (10.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Rushes target and delivers an attack with a potency of 12,000.
Additional Effect: Removes target's Guard
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Meteodrive, rendering them unable to move
Duration: 3s
If target does not have an active Guard effect, deals additional damage with a potency of 12,000.
Effect cannot be applied to players riding machina or non-player combatants.
Can only be executed when the limit gauge is full.
Cannot be executed while bound.

Powered by XIVAPI

[pseudo hamlet]

If they had guard up than it should do 12k

[north citrus]

This one

[pseudo hamlet]

Game is jank

I mean plenty of skills barely work wouldn’t suprise me

[dreamy ridge]

Unless you hit the dummy

That doesn't count as player

[north citrus]

no i was dueling with players

[dreamy ridge]

Hmm

[tepid pier]

What enemy job were you dueling? Were you consistently doing 12k?

[north citrus]

i think so, might check it again with other players

[tepid pier]

I just know that ninja specifically has a 12k shield with huton.

And bunshin is an.... 8k shield? God ninja has a lot of shields.

[inner skiff]

should i get use to legacy mode? as far as controlls

[exotic kayak]

Huton + Bunshin + Guard = Good luck trying to kill me.

[exotic kayak]

Personal preference at the end of the day. Legacy is popular since you can strafe freely without having to adjust your character.

Try both and see which you prefer.

[sterile ibex]

it does like 4 ticks of 3k (or 3 ticks of 4k i cant remember) then slams for 12k
if they have guard it's supposed to not have those ticks, but despite their best efforts it's still brokey

[sharp maple]

Depends if they had a damage debuff on you or damage reduction

[patent gazelle]

huton is 16k

[tepid pier]

[torpid pewter]

a fair and balanced job

[pseudo hamlet]

Can’t wait till they nerf it

Nerfs next week

I really am curious to see what jobs they adjust next week

[torpid pewter]

watch them buff it and ignore frontline/rival wings some more

[patent gazelle]

ninja will not get nerfed

🙂

also fl is a meme doesnt matter

[ionic loom]

Ninja has been nerfed almost every patch. Unfortunately it hurts it mostly in cc. Mch is already the better ninja in alot of circumstances.

[patent gazelle]

Yeah its been constantly nerfed in the wrong places

And no lmao mch isnt a better nin

[spiral brook]

I love when I press Wildfire and the gods decide to immediately CC me

[spiral brook]

Black Mage is fun

If only Superflare didn’t miss with difference in height elevation

[exotic kayak]

That would be busted.

[spiral brook]

Good

[ionic loom]

I prefer ninja. Get the kills but I'd never get those numbers 😦

My best before the last nerf I think i chained 5 or 6 kills

[subtle hornet]

Kills are all that matter anyway

Gib Hand of Mercy title

[exotic kayak]

Sigh... not doing well in Frontline tonight...

[patent gazelle]

hey just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (Crystal was harder in s1) on REACHING THE HIGHEST RANK (good players aren't q ing). I know you've been working really hard (people don't care about credit anymore) at it, and I'm happy that you've (escaped diamond due to griefers on the enemy team) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (playing against alt jobs) the metals was filled with ups and downs(skill expression was removed), but you (played only one map) kept your head up through it all. Congratulations (anyone will eventually get there) once again, and here's to more success in your future (permanently 0 credit) endeavors!!!

[ionic loom]

I couldn't have done it without c9 and playing a meta job for that map. I would like to thank my family and all the angry supporters who tilted and gave me wins on my s3 journey. S4 here we come!

[pseudo hamlet]

Ye playing one map is real

Season 1 I climbed on any map except volcanic heart

[ionic loom]

Only way I escaped plat 4 hell.

[dreamy ridge]

You guys are ranking up?

[exotic kayak]

I feel this.

[pseudo hamlet]

I stopped in like plat? This season

Rewards suck ass so I got the mount and dipped

[amber escarp]

Meta job? One map? What map

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA- RIVAL WINGS

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly NA-RW Roundup 🤠

The spookiness has passed, and it left us a trick! Welcome the Dynamis Ducks to our family of servers! Once the dust settles, we'll get them added to our rotation of servers.

Bring a friend, Bring an Enemy, bring anyone you want down to Robot City!

Wednesday: PVPrimal Wednesdays - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Friday: Aether Wings- Cactuar Wolves' Den
Saturday: Primal Wings- Behemoth Wolves' Den
Sunday: Aether Wings - Cactuar Wolves' Den
Monday: Midas Mondays (Crystal) - Zalera Wolves' Den

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1035728372191465574
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1035731263627202581
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1035731711272685638
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1035732099417788507
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1035732478616412290

[pseudo hamlet]

why do they keep nerfing whm

holy shit those nerfs are bad

buffed monk btw

😄

but my honing got another buff so im cool

[sterile ibex]

5% mit and not increased speed while casting or fixing the issue of it going off as a gcd if you proc early

[spiral brook]

RIP BLM’s mitigation during their lb

[sterile ibex]

the totally deserved mit

[ionic loom]

More ninja nerfs.. but still gonna be op in frontlines. Dancer will be a bit better when u r stuck twirling in the middle of the enemies in cc and completely exposed. Bard and mch speed increase will make it even harder to kill when they already are good escape artists. And mch drone should hit more targets. Overall a good patch I think

[spiral brook]

I wonder how much of a speed boost MCH/BRD are getting for their main GCD

[sterile ibex]

nah all they did to drone was increase the target circle that you get from placing it down so it shows the range of the aoe

besides the duration buff

[ionic loom]

Ah

[sterile ibex]

the mnk buffs are actually so big wtf

roe being on a 25sec cd when it's already probably one of the best defensives is ☠️

[spiral brook]

!pvpaction riddle of earth

Ok kupo

[sterile ibex]

it just stores half of the damage you take into healing and a quarter of it as damage for up to 9sec

and yeah the damage is aoe

[spiral brook]

Wtf

[sterile ibex]

y u p

iirc it has a base damage and heal of 4k

so even if you literally dont get hit you get use out of it

oh it's 2k base damage not 4k

[pseudo hamlet]

They can get that busted ass heal faster

Good shit devs

No reaper buffs

They still refuse to make contradance not dogshit too

[sterile ibex]

i think that's just a thing you have to accept when you play dnc

contradance will never be good until the completely rework it

[pseudo hamlet]

The amount of fucking times

I use it and just get drg lb

It’s bullshit

[spiral brook]

It turns you into a targeting circle

My completely untested and busted idea is to give it a suck-in that happens a few times

To keep people in it if they don’t sprint

[pseudo hamlet]

Idk reapers hysteria happens instsntly

Why tf does it take forever to activate

Should also have another effect like a free saber dance

[subtle hornet]

You can actually charm dragoons while they're in the air

So you're actually dragging that dragoon LB towards yourself

[pseudo hamlet]

Ok man that’s the most inconsistent thing ever

They’ll never fix dancer

Their solution to everything is just give honing more mit instead of not making it shit

[sterile ibex]

the only things i want for dnc are like

increased speed/range on honing while casting
popping honing manually doesnt roll your gcd
contradance rework into 2sec charm after 0.5s with no endlag, then you get an ogcd that's the same size, does ~10k and charms for another 2sec

would kinda make it brokey but like

it's been suffering since 6.1

[pseudo hamlet]

Just let me guard after honing please

No amount of mit will protect you from a good teams burst 💀

Job isn’t even bad it’s just

Not good

Nothing it brings is crazy at all

Just absolutely whatever

[glacial leaf]

Quick question, when this patch comes out and series 4 is released is it possible to get the past rewards of series 3? Honestly had no clue it was ending today and kinda pissed I didn’t complete it in time

[pseudo hamlet]

No

@glacial leaf the battle pass?

[glacial leaf]

Ya that thing

[pseudo hamlet]

The battle pass stays until 6.3

You got time my friend

[glacial leaf]

Really?

Omg I’m glad then

[pseudo hamlet]

what ends is the season so like the portrait for getting crystal rank

Yep

[glacial leaf]

I was scrambling to see if there’s a way to get that stuff once it’s gone

[pseudo hamlet]

Battle pass always last an entire patch to the next major one

[glacial leaf]

Ahh I see maybe that’s what I misunderstood. Went to the patch notes and it said something about the end of series 3 so I thought it meant with 6.28

[pseudo hamlet]

Seasons is ending

Series is patch long

[glacial leaf]

Is there a timer or something to watch it? I can’t really find anywhere where it says for how long it goes on besides you just now

[spiral brook]

No

Just have to pay attention to lodestone posts

They announce when PVP seasons/series are starting/ending

[glacial leaf]

I see, thanks a lot. Almost had a 14 heart attack pfft. Glad that isn’t the end of series 3 though

[spiral brook]

2*, but yeah

[glacial leaf]

Yeah, 2

[pseudo hamlet]

Unnecessary ass WHM nerfs

Nerfs theyareth ability toith support the team and get people to fook off

Gonna be so much harder to poly enemy WHM from using lb

[pseudo hamlet]

Fixed it @ornate ingot

[ionic loom]

Idk any time I seen a whm on the enemy team was usually a loss and win if on my team. They are strong

[pseudo hamlet]

🤨

[tepid pier]

It's still the strongest single-target crowd control in the game. Whm's will be fine.

[patent gazelle]

rpr has been strong already for a past few patches

all in all the changes are fine but a miss on the whm nerfs

they deserve the nerfs but not like this

this barely changes anything xd

rpr is not getting any buffs because its really potent in higher ranks and tournament settings

[pseudo hamlet]

I see

Lb is probably a game changer

I’m ngl I’m just really bad at melee

Whm nerfs can fuck off tho

[sterile ibex]

also frequency of lb

although all ik is that rpr is really dumb in duels

[wooden grove]

gold 1, three stars queue

[dreamy ridge]

I agree with Refia, WHM wasn't nerfed good enough

[sharp maple]

If you're bronze, and just starting, that's fine. But I'm seeing this play from even Silver, it's ridiculous.

[wheat cargo]

🤷‍♀️

its hardly a huge deal tbh

i swapped to bard from war in diamond and then got to crystal

its less about jumping into ranked and more about people not reading tooltips

[sterile ibex]

i think they're saying more of like
completely inexperienced players over people inexperienced on their class

and practicing in casuals to get the game knowledge

since you already had the game knowledge it was a fine swap for you

[wheat cargo]

and idk i silver is a low enouhg rank where your matchmaking puts wyou with bronze anyways

like you can just sneeze and trip into silver

its not indicative of any ability to play the game

[patent gazelle]

anyone deserving higher ranks ive seen just climb past ranks

easily

[pseudo hamlet]

Please get good

Whm gets easier to deal with when you open your eyes and track the lb bar

[patent gazelle]

nah lmao

nerfs were deserved but not in the right places

:d

[tepid pier]

Miracle should have a 5y range.

[amber escarp]

Miracle should have a chance of instantly killing the wm

[pseudo hamlet]

Literally could have nerfed any other skill

Dancer time

[dreamy ridge]

While I appreciate the 5% damage reduction, I really wish they added more than just that

How about some damage reflecting shield?

[sterile ibex]

or yknow

more speed

[dreamy ridge]

With not much potency, like let's say 2500?

Oh speed definitely

BRD and MCH got a speed boost for "casting"

[pseudo hamlet]

En avant gives a speed buff

That would be cracked

[dreamy ridge]

not what we meant under speed

currently when you do spinny you kinda slow down, which means all it takes for the enemy is to walk away, you literally can't catch up with them

[sterile ibex]

thanks to shit netcode c:

a speed boost would atleast need the opponent to sprint to avoid everything while very clearly being in the aoe instead of just walking away at a leisurely pace

[dreamy ridge]

either that or give it the bishop treatment

increase da range

[sterile ibex]

bishop didnt get a range increase

[dreamy ridge]

it did?

[sterile ibex]

it got a targetter increase so you could see where the range was

it's always been 5y

[dreamy ridge]

oh

[sterile ibex]

just the targetter was 1y for some reason

[dreamy ridge]

well then

[regal kettle]

** EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS **

Greetings everyone!

Spook month has come to its conclusion for this year, but we're still going strong with our Rival Wings events! The schedule is the same as usual so I hope you'll come and make that queue pop!

You know the deal: tell your friends, FC mates and everyone else (pets included) to help us garner interest!

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Sunday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1037144716136951888
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1037145633557073960
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1037146722360631306
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1037147690653454427

[rare patrol]

Would anyone wanna run some 1v1's in Brynhildr later on? Trying to grasp this new system

I'm fairly new to PVP

[pseudo hamlet]

Dancer is the most useless job in the clutch

Can’t deal damage worth a shit

They need to fix starfall dance

This shits aoe cleave is nonexistent

[west bridge]

Dancer is the most useless job in the clutch

[pseudo hamlet]

I just enjoy it’s kit so much

It gives the feeling of being a support dps while also being mid!

Honing still sucks (obviously)

How many bandaid fixes will they do till they fix its issues

Starfall dance actually feels broken

[amber escarp]

Be Warned that on Dynamis DC, a shit ton of peoples are cheating in CC pvp right now. :/

[patent gazelle]

nah

its not that

a lot of t100s in aether, primal and crystal made alts in dynamis

[dreamy ridge]

Just because it's true doesn't mean you have to say it

[ionic loom]

?? I'm surprised cx cx got plat as he didn't seem anything amazing when I was with and against him.. but I haven't really seen any cheating

I'm assuming just the more experienced pvpers came over so it's alot harder to rank up. Everyone is stuck in bronze

[wooden grove]

There are some really good guides in the pinned link called "Rhia Guides"! They're infographics on the job kits, the game modes, and so forth.

[wooden grove]

They're just Top 100s from other NA DCs who went over on alts. They're not cheating lmao...

[rare patrol]

Oh sick, thank you!

[glad ravine]

Hello, are you on the Dynamis Data Center and tired of more than 30min wait times for your daily Frontlines Roulette?

Queue up tomorrow, Nov 5th, at 6pm EDT as we kickstart Frontline queues on Dynamis!

We will be on Seraph at the Wolves Den if you would like to come hangout with everyone
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1038150334159278130

[clever plover]

does DC travel work with pvp?

Im on Crystal but that sounds fun

[ionic loom]

Ya the alts are really annoying. Makes getting top 100 pretty tough

But rank might not even pop without them.

[queen gyro]

But doesn’t the fact that top 100s from other DCs are there mean that you also have them on your team

Do matches become 1v9 if they’re a T100 Alt and you’re not

[wooden grove]

yes it does. you can just DC travel and queue up on dynamis

[wooden grove]

no? it'd be like 1v5, since there are five people on the other team
but if you luck on a T-100 alt, you basically just follow them around the field and target whoever they're targeting

hopefully they're also doing target pings so they tell you exactly who to focus target

omg @clever plover you sneaky person
I didn't even notice your Discord tag!

🐔

[clever plover]

Just trying to ask a question people probably have in the channel but just aren’t asking

Ty for the answer arianne!

[wooden grove]

hope you, Yoshino, and the other Primal Lalafells are doing well

[pseudo hamlet]

Making honing cc immune

Fucking give it something

Job just fucking sucks makes me so upset

[pseudo hamlet]

Can I please get a command telling people to use lb

What is the fucking point of holding a scholar lb when your in a literal team fight

I love how guard still doesn’t fucking work at all

[dreamy ridge]

Moods

But personally I think DNC is fun

So I'm still gonna play it

Just not in ranked because my teammates can't do shit

[pseudo hamlet]

I like playing it is the actual problem

[ionic loom]

Dancer burst is hard to set up so I gave up but I've seen some good ones

[real cloak]

Calling all Crystalline Conflict fans!

Come watch DAY 2 of the 2nd Crystalline Conflict Cup! Tune in to Twitch on Sunday 11/06 7:30PM JST to see the action, hosted by panke ! Please make sure to check the time in your local time zone:

November 6, 2022 7:30pm JST
(5:30am Eastern / 2:30am Pacific)

The tournament will be streamed live for everyone to enjoy. Please come and watch the battle between the top players in Japan's DC!

Team Introductions: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1639556629

Live-Streaming: https://www.twitch.tv/panke0219

[pseudo hamlet]

At least dancer is very good at sniping health potd

[wooden grove]

I've been playing in Platinum queues on Crystal DC the past few days and have seen some really good DNCs

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA- RIVAL WINGS

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly NA-RW Roundup! 🤠

Fall is truly upon us. As promised, Dynamis joins the rotation on THURSDAYS! Lets all come out and get them their first Pops! Since Friday is free of Q-Syncs, we booked a 2nd Dynamis event to welcome them!

Party in the new kids house, bring a +1 or 2 with you!

Wednesday: PVPrimal Wednesdays - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Thursday: Dynamis Wings - Seraph Wolves' Den
Friday: Zeltra Zirday (Dynamis) - Seraph Wolves' Den
Saturday: Primal Wings - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Sunday: Aether Wings - Cactuar Wolves' Den
Monday: Midas Mondays (Crystal Wings) - Zalera Wolves' Den

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1037483873547862046
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1037485456541102211
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1037486635895496765
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1037488392344178819
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1037488796037566464
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1037489251895488562

[amber escarp]

I think this Samurai does not like me

[torpid pewter]

scamurais are always thirsty for kills

[regal kettle]

** EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS **

Greetings everyone!

I may be a bit late and just put the Scream lyrics in the events for this weekend, but better late than never, right?
Oh also we're gonna spin up the good ol' Revival fellowships in game again, so look for "PvP Revival" and "PvP Revival 2" in the fellowship finder if you want to join those!

You know the deal: tell your friends, FC mates and everyone else (pets included) to help us garner interest!

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Sunday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1039990375189856276
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1039991081238020096
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1039991837492006942
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1039992288048332921

[pulsar harness]

god samurai sucks but man does it feel good 2 team wipe (and die immediately after)

[pseudo hamlet]

Life of raw dog melee

[viral grove]

Sam is pretty strong imo

[pulsar harness]

who ever was the evil man who made its ogi namikiri a cast u better sleep with one eye open😭 😭

[amber escarp]

Samurai deals a lot of damage in burst and has a stun

[pulsar harness]

ye but they get blown up so easily

not fun trying 2 cast ogi and they just run resetting

[wheat cargo]

It's not that bad

Ogi cast is short and you can slidecast

It's effectively less than 1s of standing still

I do more than that when my brain lags

[ionic loom]

I changed my main to dancer and Sam always get me with my aoes

[pseudo hamlet]

Dancer bros

Dancer bros

[patent gazelle]

new map pog

[soft gale]

is it just me or does melee just feel so dominating to fight against?

like there isn't really anything you can do against it

[patent gazelle]

In FL?

[pseudo hamlet]

If a melee has the tools and wants you dead ye

Especially if it’s a monk

Fucking sticky as fuck and will just kill you

Gotta position around that and bait em around

[amber escarp]

kind of annoyed they buffed the already arguably best duelist in CC

[exotic kayak]

When fighting melee it's best to stick with your team to hopefully force them to go 1v3 or 1v4 if they want to get you.

When I'm playing Bard I'm always keeping an eye on Monks and Ninjas to ruin their days with CC after they come in.

[patent gazelle]

buffed MNK?

yeah it was the best duelist but like

the nerf actually hurt em

[gloomy hatch]

are there any strategies or ways I should be playing summoner in CC pvp?

[exotic kayak]

Not a SMN player, but SMN seems to be exceptionally tanky compared to the other casters.

Abuse Radiant Aegis whenever you come under fire.

[patent gazelle]

Should always be playing around the crystal cleaving everyone around it

Its the most supporty caster

Knowing when to spend your festers and when to dash in with ifrit is important

[exotic kayak]

Crimson Cyclone is an AOE, right?

[sterile ibex]

[amber escarp]

Is the BRD limit break worth using?

[sterile ibex]

it is but only for team
it's shit if you're solo

[ionic loom]

I mean u can run really fast and outrun ninja now too.

[lilac pasture]

Is DRG op?

I find it hilarious most guides will say it isn't that tanky

When I have seen it countless times just casually take several ults to the face and stuns and heavy attacks and debuffs and environmental hazards all at once and live 0_o

[pseudo hamlet]

No

Very good tho

[lilac pasture]

Why do they never die?

[wheat cargo]

it really isn't that tanky

[lilac pasture]

-_-

[wheat cargo]

it has 1 point of kit based sustain unique to it in chaotic thrust

and shield from when it lands on LB

thats it

and if you geirskogul

you take more damage to do more damage

[lilac pasture]

You're forgetting the damage mitigation

[wheat cargo]

from bhigh?

don't feed them

[lilac pasture]

How do you that when they can quite literally jump into your face

[wheat cargo]

focus firing any 1 job with cc and damage usually means they can't recuperate spam their way out

especially with uncleansable cc like poly

i'm assuming you're talking about this from a frontline perspective

in which case melees suffer the same weakness

[lilac pasture]

I'm talking about CC

I know DRG is nigh nearly useless in front line

[wheat cargo]

they do great in single target but you have to pray to the lord when you jump into 20

in CC its the same

but on a smaller scale

people jsut don't punish you for jumping in

your escape button is part of your kill confirm so you have to trade that off as well

[lilac pasture]

I mainly play SUM and I sure as hell target a DRG as soon as it shows up, it's just extremely frustrating seeing it just shrug off my entire rotation like it's nothing

[wheat cargo]

groot them with mountain buster

make use of aegis

[lilac pasture]

I do

Nothing seems to kill them

[wheat cargo]

pray to the lord your teammates also focus them

as a caster you're not really meant to 1v1 a melee anyways

[lilac pasture]

Oh I'm already sticking around my team if they didn't scatter like flys

[wheat cargo]

make sure your burst rotation is correct as well

[lilac pasture]

What would that be

[wheat cargo]

example

pin in this channel has all the jobs

knowing what they do and what they are weak to is a good idea

knowing what your teammates can do is also helpful

use a better word than that

[lilac pasture]

And you only need to be in melee range for 1 ability and then it changes to a long range thingy

[wheat cargo]

both ifrit skills are melee

[lilac pasture]

No

Only the first one is

Who ever made that guide did not play SUM

Resently

I presume

[lilac pasture]

Sorry!

The suggestioned rotation would never work right in CC or front line

[dreamy ridge]

actually

it works best in CC

[wheat cargo]

it does work though wym

you root > dot > dash > and disengage

[lilac pasture]

I'm talking about the attack that dose more damage when a target is below 50% HP

I do the first part of that rotation

But it would be a waste to include that ability after you blind and cast the wind thingy

You wait until they're low on HP or low on MP

[dreamy ridge]

don't underestimate enemies

[lilac pasture]

You're saying to forget 16k burst damage in favor for 8k?

That is a very strange thought process for CC

[dreamy ridge]

that 16k burst isn't instant

[lilac pasture]

You can instant cast it

Yes it is

[dreamy ridge]

then what are you talking about?

[lilac pasture]

SUM, sorry if that wasn't clear

[dreamy ridge]

SMN?

[lilac pasture]

Summoner?

[dreamy ridge]

yes that's SMN

[lilac pasture]

Ah

Then ye

[lilac pasture]

The 3rd ability in the bottom rotation

[wheat cargo]

fester?

its a weave

why are you holding it for when they drop below 50

[lilac pasture]

Ye, deals 8k damage when a target is below 50% HP

[wheat cargo]

just press it

it has 2 charges

holding it means you potentially lose uses in trades

which means oyu potentially lose fights because you did less damage over time

[lilac pasture]

O_o

[wheat cargo]

you do know what weaving is right

[lilac pasture]

Yess, very...

[wheat cargo]

you're tunneling too hard on the it does double under 50

snapshotting is volatile anyways

[lilac pasture]

What you're suggesting is very inefficient respectfully, to say 8k damage is better than the potential 16K damage you can perform is very non-logical.

The rotation I do, is the bind, the wind thingy, then I change in with the fire ball thingy then back off and slam down the second fire attack and finally unleash the two festers.

[wheat cargo]

you're not rolling your gcd there either

thats also non logical

[lilac pasture]

I've noticed that

[wheat cargo]

because it presumes that you will get the target below 50% in that exchange

and in pvp thats not a guarantee

[lilac pasture]

I'm not presuming, I should say, I'm watching for it

[wheat cargo]

so in the extended fight as you burn resources

you can have a fester charge return via recast

[lilac pasture]

Normally people pot after that

[wheat cargo]

and then that particular charge doing double is a boon

[lilac pasture]

Sorry what?

[wheat cargo]

fester is an ogcd

with 2 charges

on 15s recharge

so as you're fighting

you'll get it back from its cd

and you can punish additionally on subsequent rounds of rotation/burst

rather than hoping for the 50

and never pressing it

[lilac pasture]

From my experience, it's better to have it on stand by to pick off players who don't see themselves under 50%

[dreamy ridge]

plus not even mention people pressing the CC remover means you can't bind them, logically they will either pot or guard up

[lilac pasture]

This goes for any rotation

[wheat cargo]

16k won't kill under 50 anyways

[lilac pasture]

Your point?

[lilac pasture]

No, but it hurts and forces pots and wins the attrition war

[dreamy ridge]

my point is better roll your o/gcds than doing nothing

[wheat cargo]

burning resources through proper rotation is fine too

you don't win the war of attrition by usingyour buttons fewer times

[lilac pasture]

In a perfect world what your saying would make sense

[dreamy ridge]

no, in a perfect world your rotation would make sense

[lilac pasture]

16k damage is not something you throw away

[wheat cargo]

you're not throwing away 16k

[dreamy ridge]

unfortunately CC is still a chaotic mess and I would rather secure 8k with the potential to force the enemy's hand than wait and find myself surrounded by enemies

[lilac pasture]

The fact this is being suggested is showing me the PVP community is rather a poor place for information

[wheat cargo]

you're doing 8-12k now

and then potentially an additional further 8-16k later

[lilac pasture]

Along with the con for this image being wrong as well is another thing

[dreamy ridge]

that was made by a diamond 100 player

or crystal

whatever is the highest rank

[lilac pasture]

So, I'm crystal

[wheat cargo]

i've also hit crystal

the bar isn't super high

its just time investment

[dreamy ridge]

wish

it takes skill too

[lilac pasture]

What do you do when you see somebody on low health and you have nothing to hit them with

Because you spent your fester already

Dealing 8k damage

[dreamy ridge]

hit them with a gcd

[lilac pasture]

That takes time

[dreamy ridge]

so?

if they are low on health that means they are out of mana

[lilac pasture]

Do you not know how fast things move?

[lilac pasture]

It's still flatly wrong because you only have one melee ability, if you even call it it that ...

[dreamy ridge]

the hell you talk about?

[lilac pasture]

The cons for this

[dreamy ridge]

you do realize your skills make you go into melee range, right?

[lilac pasture]

Which one

[dreamy ridge]

whatever is the rush skill

[wheat cargo]

!pvpaction crimson cyclone

[surreal token]

**Crimson Cyclone** : SMN (15.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Rushes forward and delivers a fire attack with a potency of 8,000 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Cannot be executed while bound.
This action does not share a recast timer with any other actions.

※Action changes to Crimson Strike upon execution.

Powered by XIVAPI

[lilac pasture]

Ye that's it

[wheat cargo]

"rushes forward"

its a gap closer

[lilac pasture]

That's the only ability

[patent gazelle]

yeah its a big skill

[lilac pasture]

The second one is not melee

[wheat cargo]

and whats the issue

[patent gazelle]

best smns use cyclone to move around to kite divers

[wheat cargo]

its your tradeoff

[lilac pasture]

Tradeoff? That doesn't make sense, you can just pop in and run off 99% of the time unless you go in solo into the team like a "unwise man"

That guide straight up seys you do your abilities in melee range

If you're doing that as a SMN something is terribly wrong with you

[patent gazelle]

2 gcd ifrit still is like one of your strongest gcd skills

[lilac pasture]

First one dives in, second one you can drop at long range.

[patent gazelle]

the sample burst in the guide is telling you to set up from range

then burst in

[wheat cargo]

the guide is telling you you have to go into melee range to press crimson

which is correct

as in it puts you in melee range

[lilac pasture]

Very breafly

[patent gazelle]

nothing wrong with it

[wheat cargo]

what you do after that is up to you

obviously

[patent gazelle]

being inside everyone is okay as long as you have people to support you

you also have radiant aegis anyways

[lilac pasture]

Sweet aegis ;3

[patent gazelle]

its not like other casters have a problem weaving in and out

its the same for them

[wheat cargo]

the other casters all do this too

blm has manip in for swift

rdm has CaC

[patent gazelle]

melee combo for rdm

blm has to burst inside everyone

[lilac pasture]

If you didn't know how SMN worked in PVP you would honestly tell me would somehow understand that it suggesting you have to get into melee range to deal damage means you have just one ability that puts you in melee range?

[patent gazelle]

to make use of it properly.

i mean all it takes is one ability; and its an important burst skill of yours that comes out every 15 seconds

[lilac pasture]

Ehh, I like fester more

[patent gazelle]

well both of them are burst skills

using them both in conjunction

[lilac pasture]

When your team is dog piling on someone using it finish someone off is really fun

[patent gazelle]

is how you secure kills as a smn

[wheat cargo]

you also know that reading tooltips is vital anyways

[lilac pasture]

I don't know, I just stay at range as SMN and back off instantly after using the dive

[patent gazelle]

thats how you play smn

[wheat cargo]

thats not incorrect

but like it doesn't mean you don't go into melee when you cyclone

[patent gazelle]

you're still putting yourself in danger by dashing in

even for a brief moment.

[lilac pasture]

I mean yeah, that's why I gtfo

[patent gazelle]

also for your drg question

just

dont hit a drg when you get hit by horrid roar

its easy to just attack something else for a moment.

[lilac pasture]

Ahhhhh

Okay

[patent gazelle]

horrid roar is too much

its bad

[wheat cargo]

roar is strong

[patent gazelle]

to like send your damage to it

[wheat cargo]

but like just hit something else

[dreamy ridge]

I am curious what you do if a WAR chains you down?

[patent gazelle]

fight the warrior

show them you're the stronger one

[lilac pasture]

Use the CC clear

[wheat cargo]

punish them tbh

[lilac pasture]

Or bind them

[wheat cargo]

because they have to dive in and sac hp to do more dmaage to you

[lilac pasture]

Or pop bubble

[dreamy ridge]

you can't CC clear the chains iirc

[lilac pasture]

Bubble?

[patent gazelle]

you get heavied

but guarding is a good option

[wheat cargo]

chain is a yoink + heavy

[patent gazelle]

just make sure you can get out immediately if you guard

[lilac pasture]

I've had it happen to me a lot, the chain seems to last only a few seconds

[patent gazelle]

cause you'll be ccd so have purify right after.

[lilac pasture]

Normally I have aegis up, so if I wear grabs me someone in the back line his buddies are not even targeting me so his damage doesn't get through the shield

[patent gazelle]

common warrior play is chain -> bait guard, hit something else for a while then rend when guard falls off.

when they also send out the blue dragon, not wyrmwind, that means they're ttaking 25% more damage as drg

be sure to focus them

though kinda hard to see sometimes with all the shit happening in screen

:kek

[wheat cargo]

its pretty easy to tell when a drg geir's you though

because they start trying real hard to unload on you if they think they can kill you

[lilac pasture]

I still don't see how waiting or watching for someone to get below 50% HP to use fester is worse than burning it when there at 100%.

I normally wait to see who my team targets first then do my rotation on said target, 99% of the time they'll get below 50% or be near death in a few seconds, useing fester guarantees a kill at that time, if your team suddenly switches target to a low HP player midnight, I'll open with fester.

Weaving in an extra 4k damage for a total 8k damage just doesn't seem worth doing when you could do 16k damage potentially, "potentially" being almost all the time from my experience.

Now I understand where the idea of just using it constantly comes from, it does make you deal more consistent damage but I have killed so many via just holding my fester for the perfect moment that always comes quick.

[wheat cargo]

its a bit of both tbh

if you can focus someone having that extra bit at the end is good

[patent gazelle]

sometimes you wanna keep the ogcd cd rolling.

[wheat cargo]

but like

rolling your cds isn't terrible

[lilac pasture]

Then just use your basic attack

I do it all the time

[wheat cargo]

your ruin3 is independent from the fester usages

[lilac pasture]

Yes? I know?

Adding 8k damage to your rotation doesn't seem worth it

When you could slap somebody with 16k

[patent gazelle]

if you're like keeping fester charges for like 2 for like more than 15 seconds

you're wasting 4k damage every 15 seconds there

[lilac pasture]

That only happens if you whipped the team

Constantly useing fester every 15 seconds will give you 4k extra damage.

Waiting for fester to get up to 2 charges takes 30 seconds. So that's 8K damage if you kept using it, then say the worst happens, and no one gets below 50% HP, that's 12k damage total done if you kept using it, then finally 16k if you kept using for 60 seconds straight.

However most of not all the time, you'll only be waiting a few seconds to 10 seconds max to see someone below 50% HP. So you slap with 16k damage. That's 8K more damage on average than if you constantly used it.

There I rewritten my point

[wheat cargo]

using the example burst rotation

you'd be at 10s to recast of the 3rd charge after unloading burst

potentially 25s total to 4 charges

[lilac pasture]

Dafa

Nothing boosts the Regen speed

Where are you getting these numbers

[wheat cargo]

the recast isn't being boosted

it starts when you use the first charge

so in the example burst rotation

it goes out on the first gcd

[lilac pasture]

It takes 15 seconds to recharge 1 use of fester

[wheat cargo]

you hit the second one 5s later

you're at 0 charges

5s past into the recharge

10s to the 3rd charge

[lilac pasture]

What your saying is actually worse than what I was saying

[wheat cargo]

25s to the 4th charge

[patent gazelle]

Honestly as a nin main theres no guarantee youre always hitting below 50% enemies

😔

[wheat cargo]

what you're implying is you only hitting both festers at once

[patent gazelle]

Everyone higher up just recups as long as they can

[wheat cargo]

and that you only use them when both charges are full

[lilac pasture]

Yes?

[wheat cargo]

it doesn't take 60s for you to use 4 charges of fester

[patent gazelle]

^

[lilac pasture]

It takes 15 seconds to recharge 1 use of fester.

[wheat cargo]

yes

and by having done your rotation

time has past