archived-player-vs-player

[errant patio]

were any new armor/weapon glamour (be it marks or trophy crystals) added this patch ?

[pseudo hamlet]

No

[wooden grove]

there are rival wings queues popping right now on crystal data centre! come by zalera's wolves den pier for some queues! https://discord.gg/htRzzdTb?event=1013979537899540570

[pseudo hamlet]

This mode

I forgot how fun it was

[patent gazelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/569560761718800435/1015447450359705661/unknown.png

[buoyant hatch]

are rival wings better than cc to rank up on the pvp series ?

[pine anvil]

about LB gauge filling, is it always the same pace or does healing/dealing dmg and stuff increase it faster

im trying to test it on dummy but i cant tell

[spiral brook]

Same pace

Only in frontlines does the fill rate change based on what place your party is

I think 50% or 75% normal rate when 1st place, normal rate at 2nd place, and 125% or 150% normal rate at last place.

[pine anvil]

ah i see

[sterile ibex]

it fills faster based on kills iirc
but other than that and plentiful harvest/black choco feather nothing really affects the lb gen

[pseudo hamlet]

Dancer gets so much better on volcanic heart it’s insane

[patent gazelle]

Yep

Break guards for bombs, can LoS for LB, lots of room to LoS with and can safely get in for gcds

[pseudo hamlet]

Aoe is much easier to get off because there’s much less space

[torpid pewter]

black mage also makes good use of the lack of space to bombard grouped enemies with flares and freezes

[amber escarp]

was curious how many games to max out the malmstone series

[pseudo hamlet]

Lots

Atleast for cc

But it’s not really a grind

[spiral brook]

Heavily dependent on your win rate

For frontlines you get 1k-1.5k depending on your place

I think CC is 700/900 or 600/900 for losing/winning?

[pseudo hamlet]

First one ye

[timid creek]

Is there a pin somewhere that I'd be missing with some info on getting into cc and pvp as a whole? I'm getting my ass kicked as it's just a wicked fast change of pace especially for black mage lol

[wicked minnow]

Is there any future pvp content coming in endwalker in future we know about besides balance

[spiral brook]

In terms of new content, unknown

Crystal Conflict and the 6.1 PVP rework were massive changes/additions already

[exotic kayak]

Rival Wings is popping on Aether let's GOOOOOO!

[pseudo hamlet]

BLM is so fun

[sacred quail]

Nuh uh bard is funner

[broken matrix]

Such a blast seeing so many speed hacking ninjas in Crystal Conflicts

[storm wraith]

how do you deal with sams in CC ?

i feel like they have so much hp, dmg, a super scary LB, and once they stick to you it's like impossible to get them out

[patent gazelle]

dont hit their chiten

[tepid pier]

For future reference:

[sacred quail]

Kelminak and me really struggled together that season 1. Sucks he didn't get his reward. I'd say grind again but this season is hell. Two matches tonight with none ranked players so they didn't kill anything or recuperate and 1 afk at match start. I am only pvping ranked cause I like pain I guess

[tepid pier]

[patent gazelle]

Everyone who was top100 got to crystal/diamond really fast on week1 tbh

[sacred quail]

When I match with plats the games are alot better. Almost got there 3x but always get dragged back down from some bronze games. Old matchmaking was alot better even with the win traders

[patent gazelle]

Match making is essentially the same as before but its jumbled everyone in bronze

[sacred quail]

I feel will be alot better if I can just get out of the bronze matchmaking. I'm doing way worse this season statistically but I'm learning alot so I can't be always negative about it. Loses make me reevaluate and say what did I do that could improve and what did my team do that was weak that perhaps I can help carry a little

[sacred quail]

Finally had to swap to ninja to get out of that bronze to gold tear. Bard just can't carry

[balmy igloo]

I am quite pissed at the new pld cheese players do in Frontline wtf

[torpid pewter]

it's far from new

[crimson bobcat]

onsal --> secure

[balmy igloo]

i rarely saw it before 6.2

[torpid pewter]

nah, ever since they introduced new pvp pld cheese with the protect on onsal has been a thing

[errant patio]

I was told this has been a thing for several months now

I also tried out machinist in front lines a while back, easiest BH5 I've ever gotten

It's actually funny how much damage you do

[balmy igloo]

i just hope they fix it asap

its not fun when they do that

[sacred quail]

Frontlines isn't fun in general tho unless u are on the team that actually engages pvp

[errant patio]

The teammates who play PLD/WAR or whatever going to hide behind the healers and casters lmao

[sacred quail]

Yup. I feel I'm the only one that goes in

[errant patio]

the worst is when you know if you go in by yourself you are going to die, but your teammates are also not going in which is also going to cause you to die/lost a lot of points, so you're screwed either way no matter what you do

[pseudo hamlet]

play rival wings

[sullen mist]

Does rival wings use same skills

Can I go in with same hotbar

[pseudo hamlet]

yes

[crimson hill]

hey im planning to go back to ff 14 to try the new pvp, the new pvp is equal gear rte?

[sullen mist]

yeah gear has zero impact on pvp

[crimson hill]

nice

is it only 5v5 or do they have 3v3 now ? @sullen mist

[wheat cargo]

5v5, 24v24v24, 24v24 are the three kinds

[crimson hill]

ah cool

[torpid pewter]

crystal conflict, frontline and rival wings respectively

[buoyant hatch]

I feel like brd is really stronk in frontline

Passive team buffing , some aoe , long range, and you can insta silence those pesky drks plds wars and nins

[torpid pewter]

for every good bard i've seen, i've also seen 10 bad bards

[sullen mist]

Brd is great for pc players

Cancer for Playstation

Same with ninjas

If your effectiveness requires snapping your mouse over to someone then you'll have a bad time on controller

[sacred quail]

I recommend casual. Ranked is a bad time.

[crimson hill]

ill try both lol

[amber escarp]

i dont understand why people just run into your whole team in frontline like theyre gonna single handedly take down your entire army

[torpid pewter]

because dumb

[sullen mist]

If they're a tank there's a reason

A paladin can honesty survive against 8 ranged people for quite a long time

If he does that right before a key objective, that's potentially 8 people you don't have at the objective

Sure you kill him and 7 of you get 2 battle high and one person gets 10

Meanwhile his team grabbed an extra 200 objective with their 23 v 15 advantage

[amber escarp]

or u stun him and he doesnt do anything

some jobs can mega stun people in pvp

to the point of like your just dead

[sullen mist]

I mean if they're bad, sure

60% dmg reduction goes a long way for a tank

[spiral brook]

You’d be hard pressed to even 3v1 a competent Paladin if you have heavy hitters

[amber escarp]

i play pali in frontline i feel like i do zero damage tbh but i can for sure out live a 3v1

[sullen mist]

I mean the point I realized the dmg reduction was overturned was when a pld tried to grab our spawn on shatter

And we had 5 ranged hitting him

And it took nearly a minute

[amber escarp]

pali can also self heal very quickly

[sullen mist]

Its the same thing in a teamfight

Schs and summoners and white mages arent the gods they used to be but theyre still extremely dangerous to other ranged especially in a chokepoint like the north ovoo on onsal or the top of secure

[amber escarp]

i just want pringles rn

[sullen mist]

When a drk or paladin dives a team they often bait a lot of the aoe that ideally would go on his squishy whm and ast behind him

Sure he still takes damage but unlike his squishier teammates he takes way less

He also has more hp, and defensives to boot

And if its a boosted biolysis or a slipstream hitting him, its also not hitting the clump of ranged pushing up behind him

[amber escarp]

Only thing I need help with is how to stay alive cause I jump in there and get heavy stunned usually and my team doesnt really have my back with heals or anything

[sullen mist]

Heals

Lel

[amber escarp]

if your stunned u cant use your skills at all

[sullen mist]

Never expect heals in pvp

Thats what purify is for

[amber escarp]

whats the point of the healers then lmao

[sullen mist]

Healers in pvp only heal tangentially, you might get the occasional targeted heal but mostly likely any heals you get will be incidental from their other skills

Healers do damage

Just like pve

[amber escarp]

ive been playing pvp wrong all this time lol

[sullen mist]

I main healer in pvp

We literally cant focus healing

As sch i get one heal every 15s and my LB

That means like 90% of the time i dont have a heal available

[spiral brook]

And your heal is a pitiful 4k+4k shield

[sullen mist]

Yeah

Its flaccid as fuck

[spiral brook]

Which you’d rather use for the damage boost

Meanwhile

[sullen mist]

Its there for the offensive boost yes

[spiral brook]

!pvpaction cure ii

[surreal token]

**Cure II** : WHM (15.0 second cooldown)(1.5 second base cast time)

Restores target's HP.
Cure Potency: 12,000
Maximum Charges: 2
This action does not share a recast timer with any other actions.

※Action changes to Cure III when under the effect of Cure III Ready.

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[amber escarp]

dang

ty for the help

[spiral brook]

Yeah healers in PVP are basically casters with healing support

[sullen mist]

The important part of diving is gauging your team

I play extremely aggressive scholar

But if the team is skittish about fighting

Me trying it is basically feeding

So i have to play more cautiously

Pld is extremely survivable but if you dive and your team is not following you need to notice it asap and fight your way back to safety

If your team is following your lead you can actually dive even harder

Youll attract and absorb the damage skills from the enemys incoming reinforcements

When you have a good frontlines team its like a rolling wave, claims the objective, backs out, repeats elsewhere

[amber escarp]

Good teams are rare to find

It's more often then not a handful of premades calling the shots and the rest of the cats going "that sounds good" and following them, or fucking off

Made it to crystal yesterday in CC

[patent gazelle]

Grats

[amber escarp]

Granted, I lost it immediately in two games

But I got it back

[sullen mist]

Yah it's rare but when you get one it's good. Not much shotcalling but swarming, knowing not to push too hard, knowing not to dive without backup

Had an onsal where no one called anything and the spawns were totally bullshit in favor of the flames so they were leading, then they got another set of favorable a rank spawns but they were busy fighting the north

Entire team swept up the east side, one or two people stayed behind at each ovoo then we engaged them at the bridge

Got all 3 a ranks, backed off to hold the s rank mid and won

Or another onsal super close and the s rank was opposite side of the map from us so everyone just saddled up and paraded through the south side of the map all the way from west to east

Backstabbed 1st place team with our entire squad, then stole the S while fighting the 3rd place team

[broken matrix]

The devs (and support) are really incompetent. Same hackers running around for over a week now, on top of the dogshit matchmaking. Ranked is an absolute shitshow.

[vast crag]

classic salt from pvp

[patent gazelle]

classic i cant get to X rank cause wintraders and cheaters

[queen gyro]

Hackers what, I didn’t even know we had a hacking problem

Not that I’m saying it’s impossible, but what are they doing?

[vast crag]

just skill issue

[wheat cargo]

hackers definitely exist, they've been a thing since the old feast days

but

they're not really that prominent

[broken matrix]

Speed hacks and ignoring c/c. It's been documented on the forums and reported by numerous people.

[wheat cargo]

they're also likely not in most people's matches

[broken matrix]

The problem is that there is hardly anyone queuing in crystal/diamond. I've had the same hacker in a few dozen of matches.

[sacred quail]

Premades in cc? Why am I not surprised

[amber escarp]

I meant frontlines

[sacred quail]

Oh I read your comment after about cc

Ya when I'm in the premade fl it goes extremely well. I just follow them and win

[amber escarp]

granted I've played enough CC that if I meet a couple of certain people on the other team, its a pretty good indicator shit won't go well

[midnight minnow]

Anyone willing to trade me the archfiend armor glamour set for reaper?

[sullen mist]

buddy, asking in a third channel isn't going to change the answer

[midnight minnow]

@sullen mist nobody's even sent an answer

[sullen mist]

i literally answered you in glamour-discussion

and like 3 people answered you in ffxiv-discussion

one even replied

[torpid pewter]

not tradable and it's from the previous season, wait for them to rerelease it in some way if they ever do, otherwise there's no way to get it

i know it was probably already said but i figured i'd say it here as well since this is the actual pvp channel

[pine anvil]

does blm's freeze/flare aoe damage apply the stack to everyone hit or just the primary target

[spiral brook]

everyone

[amber escarp]

How is pvp now? Populated?

[pseudo hamlet]

Yep

Rival wings aint

Everything else is doin fine

[fading onyx]

The question is should I go for crystal

Took me playing nonstop for 3 days to get diamond and I can now recognize most people in my rank by name

[sterile ibex]

do it

[hasty igloo]

Can anyone provide some insight/tips for someone new to pvp? (Summoner)

[patent gazelle]

Summoner has very strong teamfight damage and utility

[fading onyx]

😒

[exotic kayak]

SMN doesn't have as much upfront damage as the other casters. But you're much beefier overall and almost all your damage splashes in a wide area.

Mountain Buster is essential for pinning enemies out of position. Also use it to flee or peel enemies off teammates.

Slipstream is a powerful zoning tool if used correctly, forcing enemies to walk through it or take a detour if they don't want a painful DoT debuff.

Unlike in PvE, Crimson Strike can be used from range. Make sure to keep hitting the button when you're going for burst even if they run away.

Try to weave in Fester once the enemy is down to 50% HP or less to increase the damage it deals.

In most situations, Summon Bahamut's burst damage will trump Phoenix's healing and debuffs.

You'll also want a macro to get your team to focus a specific target.

Burst is critical in this game mode.

[torpid pewter]

note that this bit of advice is much more situational outside of crystal conflict and rival wings (i.e. frontline) since the party size there is 8, not to mention a lot of jobs have passive dr, so the phoenix's heals can get a lot more done there than in the other two modes

[exotic kayak]

Yes. I should've mentioned that.

[sacred quail]

Bruh it's u. Why did u mark me to ignore? I am trying to get better and sometimes I have bad days. No reason to be a prick

[fading onyx]

Rixy?

[sacred quail]

Yes sir. What did I do wrong? Pls explain. I wasn't trying to throw games

I am struggling. I just got plat 3 after 5 days of shlt.

[fading onyx]

I'm a little hard pressed to answer without having just been in a game

[amber escarp]

Don't take marking personally

[fading onyx]

I dont mind being constructive

Though I do mark when I'm tilted AF

[fading onyx]

If you had a video of gameplay like shadowplay or xbox screen recording I (and probably anyone else) could pick it apart, especially someone who plays ninja

I keep seeing a pretty good ninja named B'ongo Cat in my games

[sacred quail]

I bounce between bard and ninja. U did it when I played bard. I just wanted to know why. I swapped to ninja a few games cause I rage and it's easier to force kills with a ninja. Bard i feel useless some games. Other games I get hard focused on ninja and feel useless too. I been trying to warm up with casuals before going in now. Seems to help a bit

[fading onyx]

If I had to try and offer a comment I'd say your damage was probably one of the 2 or 3 lowest and you died despite the enemy team not having really set up kill conditions

Playing your role right requires critical thinking specific to your class. As tank I usually take the absolute most damage in the game and heal the most damage

Saying that, standard issue elixir and Recuperate are absolutely broken abilities and everyone gets them

That's actually something everyone can work on, and as a Ninja you can teleport and disappear to get off a heal way easier than anyone else

Just go around one corner, elixir, and go back in

Even if I'm only down like 6k mana out of my 10k, I still elixir if the enemy has a player down and I know we won't lose the fight

[amber escarp]

I hate ninjas

[fading onyx]

😏

Me too bud

[amber escarp]

[sacred quail]

If I die first it's usually me spamming the cure or elixir but nothing happens. Ping + server tick I'm dead doesn't matter how much I spam recuperate. I often go bard to be backline which migates this problem. I can only play ninja in perfect ping. But sometimes even that's not enough if I'm dove

Nothing I can do. I have a mobile hotspot or my neighbors wifi. Whatever better i use at the time

[amber escarp]

How to open savage modes? Ffom al dlcs

[vast crag]

you talk to the NPC where you unlock the normal version from

wait, this is pvp channel 🤔

[queen gyro]

I find that DRGs are harder to catch than NINs, because shukichi is prone to server nonsense

[restive grail]

I've never noticed slipstream damage tbh
Even walking through one I can't ever tell if it's friendly or hostile

[queen gyro]

Does anyone know the exact timer of Cartenau spawns by heart

I wanna be able to be in the air with DRG LB just as they spawn

Especially the big one

[torpid pewter]

enemy ground aoes (slip/salted) have red lines pointing up from them, friendly ones don't

[amber escarp]

They have a timer

Leading up to their Spawn, they have a timer, if you mouse over them on the minimap

[queen gyro]

Dang, that thought never crossed my mind

[amber escarp]

Otherwise, 29:00 on the instance timer, and every 4 minutes from when the last group was destroyed.

[fading onyx]

if they're legit wintrading

Dying 6 or 7 times as ranged DPS doesn't seem likely

Nor is taking second and third most damage in the game

fffffff

[wheat cargo]

@fading onyx even if your game experience sucked avoid naming names

[fading onyx]

Well it's like 11 pm in diamond elo, only like 10 people playing. Also one of them sat in base AFK for a minute

Incredibly likely

[wheat cargo]

mhmm

still point is made

[fading onyx]

ok

[wheat cargo]

!rules 1

[surreal token]

1. Be respectful

It is the first rule because it is the most important. Be respectful of other users and their opinions.

• Don't ping other users or user roles without good reason.

• Do not harass, name-shame, or witch-hunt. Sexual harassment will result in an immediate ban.

• No inappropriate content. Content that is overly sexual in nature or language that may make members feel uncomfortable is not permitted.

• Certain content including some profanity is not permitted on this server and may be automatically removed. List of example content.
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[fading onyx]

bm

https://streamable.com/werc2y

[amber escarp]

Can marks be seeing?

[pseudo hamlet]

By other players?

Yes

Not by enemy team of course

[regal kettle]

🐦 🌎 NORTH AMERICA - RIVAL WINGS 🌎 🦤

Hello fellow NA mammet mashers! Starting this week, September 17th, we are going to be implementing a new set rotating schedule for Rival Wings! Our own “Roulette” if you will!

For three days during the weekend (Sat-Sun-Mon) we’ll be queuing up Rival Wings on a different DC!

8:00p ET / 5:00p PT

Saturday: Primal - Behemoth Wolves Den
Sunday: Aether - Cactuar Wolves Den
Monday: Crystal - Zalera Wolves Den (Midas Monday)

We will need all the help we can get to advertise our new schedule, so anyone who can be out and about in game spreading the word is greatly appreciated!

Join PvP Revival as we march our way across the Hidden Gorge towards mecha domination! Queue up Rival Wings on a different DC each evening to spread the love!

Saturday: https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1019053069612359690
Sunday: https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1019053555967066142
Monday: https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1019072662108115034

🐦 🌍 EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS 🌍 🦤

If you're on a Europe data centre, not to worry, we have four consecutive days worth of Rival Wings events set up for you too! Starting from this Friday on Light data centre, and ending Monday on Chaos data centre.

Yes, that's right, we're bringing back Rival Wings events to Chaos DC! (Say hello to your new community team staff, @Mehaari!)

Friday: Light DC - https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1018987616592478218
Saturday: Light DC - https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1018987782854684733
Sunday: Chaos DC - https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1018988731086159872
Monday: Chaos DC - https://discord.gg/V9GHEecM?event=1018989208381169706

Queue up, everyone!

[wooden grove]

^ those links should work on mobile btw lol

[pseudo hamlet]

My sub ends Before the event

[sacred quail]

My sub ends 2145. I'll be long dead before any concern 😄

[amber escarp]

I swear

there is this one white mage whom I always lose if I get paired with him

never seen them use their lb

[fading onyx]

I always have white mages on my team whiff their ult

And all white mages I've seen so far really should use their lb on cooldown because it comes up in seconds

but they hold on to it then use it to stun whoever is chasing them in panic

[amber escarp]

only uses her ult to secure kills

[fading onyx]

lucky

my team never gets kills

actually maybe it's me that never gets kills

[torpid pewter]

won a previous match on pld cheese land because both of the enemy teams were too hyperfixated on mid to do anything about us capturing most of the other nodes, including some of equal worth to mid

also it was my 100 fl win so it was even funnier

[amber escarp]

Long as your team is winning, kills don't matter

[fading onyx]

So far it's been entirely a coin flip for me

Constantly losing then constantly winning

[fading onyx]

Love when people don't play their main classes in ranked 😛

[pseudo hamlet]

you cant stop meh

not even remotely srry for playing dancer and blm while being bad at them

[vast crag]

like everyone always start at being bad first..

[fading onyx]

Well there are casual matches for practice...

[fading onyx]

Took me a week of grinding

But I finally got Crystal

so now I don't have to touch ranked with a 10 foot pole

Also if anyone is curious I did it entirely on Dark Knight

so uh that's possible

[pseudo hamlet]

Don’t see why it wouldn’t drk is pretty good

[fading onyx]

I faced a lot of bards and white mages

Made the climb hell

[wheat cargo]

Bard is super team reliant

You don't have as much kill confirm as other jobs do

Practically none tbh

Them silencing you predicates that their team also jumps yo ass too

[gilded citrus]

Congrats man! I'm stuck in Diamond hell in spite of being two wins from Crystal at one point.

I'm Khol Dotharl by the way

I'm thinking of switching back to my season 1 main of WAR just to hopefully get some consistency in wins. Doesn't help that I'm getting paired with Crystal players and those are a legit coin flip.

[patent gazelle]

Every job is strong on its own right rn

Right

[fading onyx]

Hey Khol! Thanks man. Sorry for being standoff-ish and getting annoyed, competitive PvP gets me annoyed and going back to plat tilted me hard that day I was running in circles

[spiral brook]

Bard is fun when I LB because my pokes become even faster and suddenly threatening

Also I like their burst combo

[fading onyx]

Ninja definitely feels like the strongest DPS, only topped by samurai with limit break. If you want my anecdotal experience the best Ninjas I saw like B'ongo Cat and Death Saves always one shot someone at the start of the match and then spawn camped the enemy team's trickling respawns

From what I can tell you participate in team fights and stick in the group traditionally and while you're a really good ninja I think to get consistent wins as ninja you have to be the carry by a huge margin, being a menace for the ranged DPS or healers when they're behind or alone or respawning

Oh and honestly no one should get a standard issue potion off with a ninja in game. That usually means an instant loss for me as a DRK when the ninja shadowed respawns and killed anyone flasking

I'll definitely add you in-game Khol, thanks for the well wishes and sorry I was a dick. Just was super mad and unhappy

[fading onyx]

Bard seemed like a worse version of machinist to me except for the silence. The silence was a huge problem but that's just because I was DRK and like Regia said every class is viable as far as I can tell but they have strengths and weaknesses. DRKs strengths just include being in as many enemies as possible juggling potions and guard as well as you can without dying and then being able to escape to get a potion off. Going back to talking about bard, I'm going to guess Empyrean arrow is the LB but that never scared me as much as a wildfire and marksman spite did from a machinist

Though like I said, the silence was huge for kill set ups on tanks but didn't seem as important as the white mage polymorph

[spiral brook]

I love the silence for bard

Also like half my wildfires whiff for machinist because the CC gods always spite me

Bard’s lb is a party damage+lb fill buff on a 2 minute recharge

And you get a haste buff

!pvpaction final Fantasia

[surreal token]

**Final Fantasia** : BRD (1 None) (10.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Grants Final Fantasia to self and Heroes' Fantasia to nearby party members.
Final Fantasia Effect: Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time by 10% while also increasing movement speed
Duration: 30s
Heroes' Fantasia Effect: Increases damage dealt by 10% and gradually fills the limit gauge
Duration: 30s
Can only be executed when the limit gauge is full.
Effect can only be activated while target is in combat.

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[spiral brook]

!pvpaction empyreal arrow

[surreal token]

**Empyreal Arrow** : BRD (15.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers a ranged attack with a potency of 4,000.
Consumes all charges upon execution, each charge adding an additional strike to the attack.
Maximum Charges: 3

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[spiral brook]

It’s pretty decent burst, and rewards you for hitting paladins if they’re immune and there’s no one else to hit.

[fading onyx]

I think brd, and all classes really, require a certain level of awareness for what the enemy players can do and what they have up at the time

[patent gazelle]

Brd is just ninja but ranged dps

Just exists to grief people

Your backline being doved? Bind

Oh wait purify is gone

Silence

[spiral brook]

>:)

[fading onyx]

brd definitely doesn't have the damage ninja does

[patent gazelle]

It has the tools to set up kills

[vast crag]

yeah NIN are nice especially when there are a lot of half HP people where you can just chain limit break 💀

[gilded citrus]

Thanks for the tips. I think I'm pretty ok though. I've played both of those NINs and didn't see too much that impressed. I've actually played in numerous Crystal matches and am top kills in most games I play. There's always something to learn though, so I'll keep those things in mind.

It's really just been luck of the draw with the casino style matchmaking. With two more wins I would have hit Crystal 2 days ago. Then I just hit a streak of people with zero kills and four-five deaths as teammates.

[gilded citrus]

It's all good! It's easy to get tilted in ranked PVP.

[fading onyx]

Yesterday I went straight from Diamond 3 losing the whole way to Diamond 5 and then right to crystal on an insane win streak. I was playing out of my mind at the start but got carried hard at the end

In my experience the ninja wasn't insanely impressive but it's more like I'm impressed with how my team mates are getting farmed right outside spawn by them

I've even seen warrior tanks spawn camping a team mate

It really feels rigged because I identify good asf players and they're always on the enemy team

If I do get someone on my team performing well it'll happen once or twice and we win but the game must identify that they're good and need to be an enemy to have a balanced match

I won't lecture you on how ninja should be played because I've only ever played DRK lul

No idea what the abilities even do or are

Though if you want me to explain my impression of what I think you play like I can

[gilded citrus]

I'm good man. I was just saying hi really. I know my job pretty well.

[fading onyx]

Good luck on your grind to crystal fr

[small birch]

is it hard getting shadowcleaver armor?

[spiral brook]

It’s unobtainable, so yes.

It was a past ranked feast reward, so you can’t get it anymore.

[pulsar harness]

someone got mad @ me in cc casual lmaoo

[small birch]

i mean like reaching the rating or rank needed for that reward

[spiral brook]

Top 100 for your datacenter

But we’ve yet to see anything besides portrait elements be a reward for PVP seasons since the rework in 6.1

[torpid pewter]

well, hopefully they add chances to get some of those old rewards, or at the very least variants of them, bit of a shame that most of them are just flat out unavailable

[patent gazelle]

I wish we can get top 100 armor again

So i can flex it harder

[small birch]

not worth it then

[amber escarp]

Hi guys, top 3 tanks ranked for pvp? Ty

[torpid pewter]

that's either bait or a badly-worded question, in either event it really depends on what you're looking for in a tank

pld is durable but has very little personal damage output, war can heal on hit, pull individual enemies in and can disable enemy guard, drk has high aoe burst damage but needs to kill to keep going with it, and gnb is... well, gnb

[sterile ibex]

should note that war has a dash with an aoe stun tied to it
and drk has one of the best setup ccs in the game but with a 30sec cd and pull jank tied to it

[fast spoke]

Is the pvp actually decent in this game or is it pretty much just filler content?

[sullen mist]

Its kind of in between

Its got a low barrier of entry and is decently fun, they give it tweaks and attention

But the matchmaking is pretty scattershot and there aren't really any events

[vast crag]

I like it, job from every level can join and are streamlined

It's like modern pvp, your ilvl and job level doesn't matter

so your skill and knowledge is actually matters

daily frontline gives a decent chunk of exp to level your job, that's also nice

rival wings is like playing smite, can control robots and turrets

[amber escarp]

Any benefits to doing pvp content? Such as unlocking armor, mounts etc.

New to game so im curious

you unlock eternal hatred for yourself and other players

kidding (but not really, but also kidding)

Sounds like a good time

there are cosmetics, and mounts exclusive to pvp, and pvp currency

frontlines is a roulette, a big ole good ole fashioned charlie foxtrot that you can do everyday for a good amount of pvp currency, regular exp as well

there's also crystal conflict and rival wings game modes, with the first being 5v5 push the flag, the second being more like a AoS or DotA style game

Ah I’ll have to check it out. Only lvl 8 at the moment so very new to game

you'll be able to do pvp after you hit level 30 in the main quests, and get a job stone for your job

[subtle hornet]

Can't do pvp if you're on the free trial

[patent gazelle]

im now like playing ffxiv mainly for pvp

[regal kettle]

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[amber escarp]

Oh that sad. Well we shall see once I get around there if I like it enough to invest the $15 a month

[sacred quail]

Your life situation is more sad man. 15 dollars. ..

[amber escarp]

I have a full time job and I’m raising a 14 month old and a 16 year old niece. I have other priorities other than a video game. Take a seat a kid

I mean, they don't really have to eat

(I'm kidding)

[wheat cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/556261253933432842.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[sacred quail]

I mean you are proving my point lol.

[exotic kayak]

Demoted, promoted back up, demoted again.

Sigh...

[sacred quail]

Stronger man than me. I'm finished after tonight. What a absolute disaster. Got most kills and least deaths every game except maybe 1 tonight and lost 80% of my games. I'll stick with casuals

[amber escarp]

sometimes your team needs to know when to back off and heal

or not all stay together on the crystal

[exotic kayak]

Gotta love those players who think they're being the hero by charging onto the crystal 1v5 to stall it for 5 seconds.

When there's still half the map to go.

[fading onyx]

You want to stop the crystal from reaching 50% by getting on it at 40 to 49%

Because otherwise if they reach or break through 50% that means you have to do the same, and it avoids a horrible drawn out long match where your team can make mistakes and lose

[vast crag]

too bloodthirsty for kill, but forgot the main objective 😹

although It's probably not that simple

[exotic kayak]

Oh, for sure. But charging in 1v5 when we're already down 2 people is counterproductive.

[amber escarp]

machinists are the bane of my existence as dragoon

[exotic kayak]

DRG: "I'm gonna burst their whole team after casting Geirskogul!"

MCH:

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-evil-evil-laugh-gif-14398336

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[sullen mist]

god

my team immediately announces their intention to paladin cheese the shit out of onsal

we get a favorable opening spawn and get an A node and like 4 B nodes jump to a quick 350-80-0 lead

except they just play pattycake after getting all these nodes, don't pinch, don't fight

5 minutes later, both other teams are rolling up with battle hunger up the wazoo and suddenly our team can't win a engagement i fucking wonder why

you'd think if you were going to cheese this fucking mode you'd learn what to do between node caps but no

even late in the game, an A rank spawns right outside our doorstep

and like 10 people babysit it

why

no one is coming for it, we can see them on the map

go fucking fight

[subtle hornet]

Obviously paladin cheesing just means you've painted a huge target on your head

If I see a team paladin chessing to cap, we sure will murder the hell out of them

[sullen mist]

it wasn't that

the team just had no spine

they wanted to cap any point that was within a reasonable distance and just split up to take them

never stayed and fought after, even when there were no other points to cap

we got an early mid, then parts of both other teams were withdrawing to fight over an a rank complete other side of the map of us

so what does our team do? retreats from mid... 0 points on our side of the map

maybe 6 mael and 6 flames in the middle not retreating. easy pickings... except only like 5 of us were there trying to capitalize

[sacred quail]

I did this yesterday. Someone crying push the crystal. It's 4 down I jump in and hold guard for 5 seconds and die and lose. I pushed the crystal m8 🤣

[pseudo hamlet]

Getting battle high is the most important thing in fl

[sacred quail]

I just can't take any pvp seriously anymore in this game. Its such a shit fest. If I want pvp there are better options. Just give me the titles and daily frontlines and im done

[pseudo hamlet]

The problems with this games pvp exist in every pvp game tbh

Which is just a way of saying players will be bad no matter where you go

[exotic kayak]

Well, getting it and keeping it.

[pseudo hamlet]

True for sure

But if your team is able to win team fights the nodes spawn locations don’t really matter

Easier said than done because your team most of the time don’t know how to push buttons

[queen gyro]

I’ve been in League of Legends long enough that I know how the sarcastic push the crystal good job good match is harmless in comparison to having a regular chat

[exotic kayak]

LoL is verbally abusive.

Would not recommend to anyone.

[sacred quail]

Pokemon unite is where its at. The thanks! Spam is great

[fading onyx]

I spam Good match! and "Thank you" when I'm tilted in cc

[sacred quail]

I don't tilt anymore. Games not worth it

Well game is.. but the tilting isnt

[sullen mist]

i mean by standards of any pvp game, passive aggressive pinging is mild

only in ffxiv is that noteworthy

raging over it is still kinda ehhhh

i treat pvp like getting a bad pve dungeon team. do what you can, call it a day

[amber escarp]

really hate Ninjas

[torpid pewter]

🗡️🐀

[sterile ibex]

[sacred quail]

I really hate whm. And I hate warriors in frontlines.

[amber escarp]

Yeah!

Hate reapers too

[sacred quail]

Reapers why lol

They don't do anything

[amber escarp]

Dunno. Can't I just hate them unreasonably because it's pvp and therefore it's perfect fine to be unreasonable

[torpid pewter]

i focus scholars, because when my team doesn't do that, we lose

kill all biolytic bots

[queen gyro]

PLDs are cancer and Reapers are the cure

[sacred quail]

Is reaper a tank or dps. I'm still not sure

[queen gyro]

It’s a tanky DPS like most melee. But it’s in a weird spot.

It doesn’t have notable game winning LBs like other melee but their versatility makes them great for frontline, not to mention how they hard counter PLD cheesing

[queen gyro]

But even in those terms, NIN exists

Which can do literally everything

Melee burst, ranged burst, area denial, self sustain, on top of a broken LB

[patent gazelle]

Rpr is fine

Its mostly more of a support melee

[rocky shale]

Stun Fest team comp

[sacred quail]

I'm the only one with balls so I try to kill people and go ahead of the team and they always pull me in and end up with 15 dudes on top of me

[rocky shale]

Are you melee or ranged that time?

They always go for someone who is the closest to the enemy team

[sacred quail]

Ninja usually in those situations unless I'm close to killing someone on a ranged I'll go in and immediately sucked in

Only time i ever die on ninja in fl is a warrior and thsn the whn lb right in time

[rocky shale]

Pray that it’s not auto something with a illegal third party tool

And there’s no way that a whole enemy team did it in perfect sync by defeating one person

[sacred quail]

Sometimes is super sus. But alot of times I mean 15 dudes whaling on u its bound to happens. However unfortunately I think there is alot more 3rd party tools being used in pvp than is thought. I mean without anti cheat and only way to really get caught is stream or get reported why would people not use it.

[rocky shale]

Right right

It’s just, it’s kinda rare that you get immediately pulled in then one second later, the entire team immediately target you and kills you an instant

It takes about 5-6 players to take notice

[sullen mist]

Ninja player complaining about dying in frontlines lmao

I'll play the world's smallest violin for you

[torpid pewter]

honestly nin should be counted as a ranged dps for fl considering more than half of its damage output can be done at range and with how pathetically easy it is for one to just casually waltz out of a bad situation

likewise rdm should be counted as melee for fl since the dualcast magic is only meant to be used when your other stuff is on cd (plus it's in a rough spot atm)

[patent gazelle]

rdm isnt really in a rough spot in CC

its strong but hard to play now

frontline meta is just

[torpid pewter]

if by "hard to play" you mean you literally can't fight anyone in a situation where any other job would have an easier time of it then yes

[sacred quail]

I like being God escapable mode. Warriors ruin it for me

[torpid pewter]

rdm's toilet paper caster health and lack of dr means that if one gets looked at funny they're pretty much just dead, and considering most of their damage comes from the melee combo they're stuck either pecking away with tiny damage dualcast magic or risking their lives just to do what actual melees can do without even thinking about it

and i say this actively liking rdm's playstyle too, it's frustrating to deal with :\

[sullen mist]

Rdm is a duelist class in a teamfight mode

Its like when I get to a point first as sch and the mch is extremely happy to attempt to 1v1 me

There's no chance I win a 1v1 vs a machinizt

But I have minimap

I see my 8 homies riding up

[sacred quail]

Oh so you are one of those kinds of players

[sullen mist]

?

No, i don't queue with group

I always roll solo

But understanding map flow is part of being effective in frontline

[sacred quail]

Lol i meant bait people into your raid

[sullen mist]

Well I'm fighting over a point

I just happen to be aware of the big picture

And the goal is to make the other person unaware

If no one is coming then I ain't wasting my time in an unwinnable 1v1, I'd just dip

[sacred quail]

Well i don't 1 vs 1 in fl either. But sometimes I'm tempted to chase when he's low hp whatever class I'm playing at the time and than his group rolls on me. But the worse is when I'm trying to get back to my group and I'm blocked

[sullen mist]

Tunnel vision issue

[sacred quail]

I seek blood

[sullen mist]

Disengagement awareness is as big a skill in pvp as ability usage

[sacred quail]

I don't take fl srs. Do the dailies. Help where I can. Big scale pvp never been my thing.

[sullen mist]

Frontlines is too stupid to get sweaty over

[sacred quail]

Yes it's pretty random who wins

[sullen mist]

I'm consistently top dps on my team and usually top 3 or 4 in the entire frontlines

[sacred quail]

Which team has more exploiters, groups, and less afkers

[sullen mist]

Does that affect my win rate? No

Sometimes your team just dumb

Sometimes multiple teams are dumb

Was adders today. Horrible start between bad spawns and bad choice of fight locations

Clawed our way back into second

Mael then decides to rush our spawn

[sacred quail]

Ya my win rate is pretty much even across the board from 1st to 3rd. Jus dow what u can. Pray ur team doesn't get stomped so u can at least have some fun fights

[sullen mist]

Pinning us in and letting flames get 3 nodes

Flames was in first the entire match

????

Literally nothing we could do there

[sacred quail]

Lol were u in my game on my team? Same thing happened

[sullen mist]

I mean if that was a rare occurrence

But it isnt

Just mentioned it because sometimes there's nothing you can do about it

[sacred quail]

Yup. Just play for fun

[sullen mist]

Shatter when you're parked on a ledge behind the large ice and your team rather fight in mid choke

Guys please, I want to do objective...

[sacred quail]

Ngl I just follow my team half the time because I just want to not die

[patent gazelle]

fl balance is a meme anyways

[sacred quail]

Is everyone cheating? Srsly how r people this good. They predict my actions before I doit

Like I lb dude was 43% hp instantly over 60%

[patent gazelle]

as a ninja?

get used to it

anyone playing on higher ranks spam that recup button when they know a nin has a chain going on.

[sacred quail]

No

I waited

For that reason

Pvp on this game is full of cheaters.

I'm done fuxk this game

[sullen mist]

lmao i'd absolutely spam recup if a ninja was near me and i was near 50%

idk what waiting would do there

[subtle hornet]

They left the server

Lmao

[queen gyro]

Whaaaaaaa they were serious

[buoyant hatch]

Leaving a server and a game because his already busted ninja kit is not working because people are too good and thus cheating in a game mode where winning or losing is more or less irrelevant

I'm sorry but now that I type it, it sounds even worse

[regal kettle]

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[torpid pewter]

more reason to nerf it i'd say

toxic to play as and against is a pretty sure sign something needs to change

[patent gazelle]

NIN's kit is overloaded but it has some weakness

[regal kettle]

EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS

Hey friends, here are this weeks events for you EU folks out there! All events start at 6pm Server Time, so I hope you queue up and have some fun!

Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light DC
Sunday: Light DC
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

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[amber escarp]

Had a death yesterday to a ninja. Touched a health kit, healed over half health right as ninja lb, died anyway

[wheat cargo]

Snapshotting at its finest

[true moon]

Is samurai a good choice for a pvp dps?

[normal gorge]

If you mean in CC I think it's fun and simple to play

It's still the "weakest" melee I think, so if you're concerned about winning it may not be the best long term pick if you want to play only one job

[sullen mist]

Samurai is fine but there's a lot of mindgame to it

Basically your goal is often baiting them into hitting you while your defense buff is up so you can LB counter for a ohko

Super easy to do against newbies and low ranks

Significantly harder against good players

[normal gorge]

Eh, it's important but your lb is going to be available so sparingly I don't think it's like

[sullen mist]

Thats their big ticket move tho

[normal gorge]

a core tenant of playing the job

sure, but it's also pretty bad

[sullen mist]

The other melee dps are less... reliant on the enemy playing into their hands

[normal gorge]

When it comes to LBs, yes, that's partly why they're better

in addition to no cast tax

[sullen mist]

If you boil it down all melee function similarly

I don't think samurai is weaker actually, I just think it's design is geared towards abusing weaker opponents

Theres a knowledge tax on all classes ultimately

New players get rolled by drg ult every time, until people recognize and guard it

[normal gorge]

Yeah it's best to just try a bit of everything in casual just to get a feel for what works and doesn't

or just understanding class mechanics

[sullen mist]

Theres certainly nothing wrong with sam

Pretty much all pvp classes are viable

Some are more team reliant tha others is all

I main scholar and if my team is bad it's just an auto loss, sch has zero solo carry potential

[normal gorge]

Job power is high but there are still winners and losers

Like I don't think anyone is really rushing to say "yeah I want a GNB on my team and also I like winning"

tho tbf GNB seems uniquely cursed

[sullen mist]

Sch has a good winning rate even despite team reliance

[normal gorge]

Yeah but what's their pick rate and what ranks are those winrates pulled from, does that even matter given how loose matchmaking is?

[sullen mist]

That's because in a decent team sch isn't high enough of a priority target to focus, tanky enough to trade if you don't commit, and over time just bleeds you to death

[normal gorge]

BLM had a terrible winrate before they got buffed into wargod status but their problem was less "job sucks" and more "these monks and ninjas prevent me from ever playing"

[sullen mist]

Squenix patch notes mentioned sch having good win rate in their sample size

[patent gazelle]

sch was sleeper op

it seemed that it didnt have much impact due to its nature but it put out more damage and shielding just by existing

[sullen mist]

If you let a teamfight go long enough for a scholar to land 3 enh biol on like 4 people at a time, it got really hard to win

Its the definition of a time bomb, you can always find someone you can kill for more immediate impact like catching an overextended ninja, or pinning down and killing a brd or blm

But at some point you have to deal with the sch

[torpid pewter]

which is why i skip the pretense and just instantly mark the first scholar i see in any given game to tell my team "hey maybe kill them before they become a problem"

[sullen mist]

Nah Frontline scholars are a known problem

I'm talking cc

No cc and very little kill secure often makes scholar less tempting of a target in 5v5

[scarlet thicket]

My dear god...... are people just blind in CC ? has noone in the ffxiv community ever heard of target priority ? Also is SE ever going to fix this damned team balancing? kinda done with going up against a properly constructed team while they saddle me 3 tanks and 2 dps

I really really wanna like pvp but my lord they are making it hard to enjoy

[queen gyro]

Target priority is situational though

[scarlet thicket]

i mean yes im not talking a fight to fight basis im talking general over arcing target priority

aka the age old how about we not all just jump on the tank and let them run us round the arena giving the rest of their team free reign to do as they please

[deft oriole]

I win matches with 2 tanks and 3 dps all the time, jobs are all pretty decently balanced

[exotic kayak]

Obviously teams with a spread of jobs that aren't just pure damage have an advantage.

But proper focus and teamwork can outweight that advantage easily.

[patent gazelle]

Rpr is more of a tank than gnb is

Nin is more ranged than a dnc is

Sge is more of a caster than a healer

The role colors dont mean anything in CC

[sullen mist]

One of my most dominating wins was 2 tanks and 3 dps (granted this was like gold) but we had a war and pld and just completely bullied the enemy team by rotating back and forth and counter initiating on anyone who tried to dive our backline, meanwhile our brd mnk smn just exploded anyone trying to get behind us

Took a while but they scored all of 1 kill which was their entire team getting sick of our shit so I ate a mch lb into monk lb into ninja lb lol

[amber escarp]

Having crowd control is the biggest thing

Slows, stuns, silences, pulls

Alternatively, call it PISSS

Pulls, Invincibility, Stuns, Slows, Silences. Cause they all take the piss out of you

[queen gyro]

Party makeup also helps decide your strategy even if limited comms

Like focusing the healer/BLM/MCH far in the backline is great but not if your comp can’t dive effectively without being murdered

MCH will just flat out die trying to reach that WHM far in the back

Unless Spite

[queen gyro]

POV: You’re a MNK and their MCH is unprotected

[queen gyro]

You know what I just noticed

There’s like a rant about kill priority every day, right

But no one ever remembers what order their team dies in

It’s like an important piece of the puzzle that few people ever find

[queen gyro]

“Hmmm our BLM keeps disappearing before the team fight, I wonder if that’s a problem”

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA - RIVAL WINGS

Don't miss out on this weekend's Rival Wings events on North American data centres!

Our surprise Friday event will be a Rival Wings event on Zalera's Wolves' Den Pier. See you guys there!

Spread the word, bring your friends, and queue up!

Friday - Crystal DC - Zalera
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1022191458108854302

Saturday - Primal DC - Behemoth
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1021106667548594246

Sunday - Aether DC - Cactuar
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1021106941952532584

Monday - Crystal DC - Zalera
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1021107233121120318

[buoyant hatch]

Honestly this

Cc is the best in cc (heh)

When I play whitemage, that polymorph is so unfair if I use it on targets at like 30% hp

Same for the redmage silence

And if I am more masochistic than usual and play bard, same for that silence

The melees have stuns that are annoying but silence and polymorph are the dealbreakers in my experience

Oh and ofc the reaper lb that can just win the game in overtime in half the scenarios

[sullen mist]

yeah late response but this is definitely a thing

if they have 2 tanks, a healer, and 2 dps and you have 3 dps and 2 healers

you can't stand and trade with the tanks, your team has to fight past them and engage the priority targets

then turn back to the tanks

but if you're a ranged and you have 2 tanks, and the opponent has none? you can chill behind your tanks and let them take the heat while almost everyone on their team is a valid target

[queen gyro]

POV: The MNK and NIN in your team have marked a target

Unfortunately it’s hard to gauge how much awareness each individual member has

Tunnel vision can happen to anyone

[sullen mist]

oh you mean

the SAMs

who sprint out the gate

and immediately dive

[queen gyro]

I don’t encounter a lot of those

[sullen mist]

mostly at lower levels since I don't care enough about cc to get sweaty about it

[queen gyro]

It’s usually some cheeky NIN thinking they can sneak behind the team in the Sharlayan map

To be fair

They often do

[sullen mist]

"oh my god i'll use the side route they'll NEVER think about that"

[amber escarp]

I play every game like its a 50 50 chance my guard works when I need it to

[patent gazelle]

Being behind the enemy team as a nin is a valid strat even higher up

Its a lot risky though, that you have to be on point in rotating your defensives and aggro

It achieves 4 things:

• you can sort of predict enemy aggro better due to how separated you are from the team
• you stop people from elixiring freely
• you get to finish off enemies
  easier
• you get to be not splashed with aoe as often or drag out aoes out of your team

[patent gazelle]

Oh i forgot you also get to steal/deny potions from enemies

[errant patio]

so i've been enjoying WAR in frontlines (the stun + pull is way too good for punishing people too close to your team) but i've noticed most of the tiem my personal damage hovers around 500 - 600k, even when im on BH3 - BH4 most of the time, it it that BH5 makes a really big difference (this specific match I only got it in like the last minute) or does WAR just not do that much damage

every now and then I see a summoner with over a million damage and tbh it makes me want to level SCH/SMN purely for the frontlines experience

[queen gyro]

If your game plan is punishing people who are out of position and not diving headlong into teamfights then it’s natural for numbers to be low.

[patent gazelle]

War doesnt do damage outside after xadting lb

[queen gyro]

When two groups are playing safe there’s not much to do

[errant patio]

I see, that is true, most of the time when Im teamfighting its only when numbers are equal to avoid unnecessary deaths, which to be frank isnt often because of how often a group of 4 - 5 people try to challenge an enemy group double that amount

[queen gyro]

This isn’t to say that playing safe is bad mind you

When you die you lose points in FL, risk is punished when you don’t win

The problem is when your team isn’t getting BH, which doesn’t seem to be the case here

[errant patio]

4 - 5 people go in, nearly die, they escape and one or two person dies, then the rest of our team catches up, so now we have the numbers advantage and mop up the enemies is something I see very often on any side of FL

[errant patio]

that is true, I suppose you cant really judge performance from stats alone in FL xD

[queen gyro]

Here's a reason to not want to dash headlong into enemy teams https://vxtwitter.com/mizuha1218/status/1517882925164888065

[errant patio]

but yeah it always does feel like the person who engages a fight pays for it with +1 to their death counter

for better or for worse FF14 PvP is not like laugh of legends where one fed person can jump in and solo fight multiple people while their team comes to join in

[queen gyro]

Well supposedly there should be a followup from his team here

But its a bad spot to engage, they're in a bottleneck

his team isnt in a position to push forward

[west bridge]

based on your damage taken and HP restored either you weren't engaging enough or your team just straight up wasn't fighting enough

but then again your stats will vary depending on the game mode too

[west bridge]

SCH damage numbers is practically meaningless unless you want 2mill damage and 0 kills and 5 assists. I guess SMN could work but it's not as deadly as it used to be

[errant patio]

I see

[errant patio]

thats probably it, Im still used to MCH where you're made out of paper as compared to the melee classes that have damage resistance so can take a hit or two

[west bridge]

learning to engage and fall back as a melee is an artform ranged dps will never learn

unless you play ninja then you are all roles at the same time

and some

🐀

[west bridge]

I outheal most healers in frontlines including WHM

BW is too strong now that they put it back to 100% healing

[errant patio]

when you see one triangle on the minimap so you go in but its actually 5 people

F

[amber escarp]

Five lallafells in a trenchcoat

[queen gyro]

Skyshatters into two people at crystal

Three ka-ching sounds go off

...There was an invisible NIN there that I didnt even know about

[amber escarp]

Just as planned

[torpid pewter]

nin should take 200% damage if something knocks it out of stealth

[errant patio]

never forget the infamous, monk kick you off cliff, the enemy team is at the bottom

[torpid pewter]

more like knock you off cliff and you die because fall damage in pvp

[wooden grove]

happening now!
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1021106941952532584

[sleek cliff]

https://i.redd.it/b29t1as4iqp91.png

[exotic kayak]

I had a match where my team attacked and invulnerable PLD during his LB for a solid 10 seconds.

[sullen mist]

But did the drg use their LB with no one but the pld in sight?

[queen gyro]

At least you can excuse that latter one as area denial

[sullen mist]

Bruh his health isn't going down and 3 of us are here

Think Mark, think

[queen gyro]

No bro

[sullen mist]

Denying what, the speed lane in volcanic heart? Lmaoooo

[queen gyro]

You just gotta hit that dude so hard it goes through his hallowed ground

What are you one of those scrubs that can’t do damage to HG

That ain’t me bro

Watch this

[sullen mist]

[amber escarp]

To be fair I once saw a pally die through hallowed ground

It was server lag but there ya go

[patent gazelle]

Pld can die during the animation yes

[pseudo hamlet]

Fuck paladin

Actually terrible job design

[patent gazelle]

pld is the most toxic job in more competitive games

[real cloak]

Howdy folks!

The first ever Revival Casual Cup will be happening on Oct 1-2, 6PM EDT/3PM PDT!
If you wish to be there in game, come along to the Crystal - Goblin, Wolves Den!

Please join us on the Revival Twitch channel for an exciting few days. Players new and old to LP (Light Party matches) will be fighting for Gil, Mogstation Prizes, and Trophies of Light. We hope you'll have fun watching!

The entire event will be streamed and casted by people new to the scene as well. Cheer on both commentators and competitors alike!
(If you wish to co-stream the event or just hop in the spectator party as well, please let me know~)

https://www.twitch.tv/pvprevival

[regal kettle]

EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS

Another week another roulette of Rival Wings!

This week we're trying to see if we can get a few matches going during the middle of the week - a midweek madness so to speak! We're gonna head to Chaos on Wednesday evening for that one, so we hope to see you and your friends there! Let's get that queue popin'!

Wednesday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Friday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Saturday: Light DC
Sunday: Light DC
Monday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1024345487878406204
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[dull bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/802713134535802911/1024509226250403942/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

just got a triple kill with sage

Sage is really strong in PvP

high Damage, very strong ult

and utility is high with shields and heals

not to mention the whole vulnerability on toxicon

[amber escarp]

I started PvP for the first time in this game and it gets pretty fun once mechanics and class roles are understood

[queen gyro]

The next level is realizing that you’re either fighting, or teamed up with people who understand neither of those things

[fading onyx]

"I just started PvPing today..."
already a pvp addict

[night plover]

What are the things that level up series EXP besides winning?

i swear i gain a lot sometimes even when i loose so i want to know

[fading onyx]

For CC it's 900 a win 700? a loss

But I could also be misremembering

it telsl you in chat

tells*

but it is definitely predetermined

Oh and frontline I guess probably gives you varying amounts for 1st 2nd and 3rd

[night plover]

i've been having a winning streak and taking me ages to level up a series

but sometimes i loose and i get like 1/3 of the exp to level up

[amber escarp]

I'm an addict in any game with PvP

I'm learning this game's PvP as a WAR then I'll do MNK after

[amber escarp]

Wars are good, solid tanks

Lil squishier then DK and Pally, I think, but that's because they heal through attacking

Monks are excellent bruisers and assassins

Better 1v1 potential then Reapers, Reapers with better team fight I think

[tepid pier]

Warrior is definitely squishier than pld or drk, but it makes up for that weakness with the sheer amount of debuff support it provides

Having an AOE stun on a 15s cooldown alone is really strong

[exotic kayak]

It's an AOE stun that does sizable damage and let's you follow up with Orogeny for the deeps.

On top of being a long-range gap closer.

Making it perfect for chasing or peeling.

[torpid pewter]

oro also debuffs enemy damage so when they retaliate it won't do as much d:

[exotic kayak]

Biota lets you be an asshat to the enemy.

They think they're getting away? Yoink!

They think they have an easy kill on your fleeing teammate? Yoink!

They think they dodged that exploding bomb on the Volcanic Heart? Yoink them back into it!

WAR excels at controlling the fight through CC.

Primal Scream is a game-winning LB too if your team includes some AOE LBs of their own.

[tepid pier]

Scream is fantastic, though I kind of wish it didn't require a target to use

In all honesty though I'd argue that tank junction gunbreaker has more durability than warrior

Just in terms of duration/frequency of your defensives vs. Warrior's

Total 15k barrier (18k with no mercy) every 15 seconds, 20% mitigation with thorns every 20 seconds is kinda cozy, in my experience

You're no paladin but you definitely get some staying power

[amber escarp]

Warriors are great in frontlines too

Mainly because nobody wants to be pulled back into the horde

Gunbreakers kinda rely on there being enemy tanks to tank properly themselves

Otherwise they're just as squishy as Wars

[fading onyx]

I've held the crystal for about 30 seconds as DRK. Guard right away, almost die after it wears off but live by spamming only potions, limit break and become unkillable, Use your AoE heal, hopefully guard again

Talk about STAYING POWER 😎

And I'm talking all 5 enemies around you trying to push after a team wipe

[amber escarp]

I've probably seen you do that in one of my games

DK does great burst damage too

[fading onyx]

I've caught people unawares but it shines in sustain. I've never managed to 1 v 1 another class

With all the variables like escaping and enemy teammates coming and being needed elsewhere

[amber escarp]

When CC first came up I had a friend who was learning, he played DK exclusively and we'd learn each other's kits. He never defeated my dragoon 1v1, but I pointed out to him that was never the point

Dragoon has no crowd control, he's the tank

His job to stay on the point, lay down some salt, and take the hurt

[fading onyx]

Up until I got platinum 2 I never realized Salted Earth binded on the reactivation

[amber escarp]

That last set of buffs really put them in a good spot I think

[fading onyx]

I'm only mechanically aware of this version because I spammed games just to finish my series in series 1

Without reading a single ability

[amber escarp]

Lol

[fading onyx]

And I only started playing FF14 recently beyond that

But I got crystal in a week my first go at it

Only DRK

Which means you probably did see me

because I played about 600 games

And was recognizably one of 3 DRKs I knew of

around plat elo

[amber escarp]

I pretty much recognize everybody in diamond and crystal

[fading onyx]

Holy I forgot Diamond existed

[amber escarp]

If you see a Dragoon named Roland Eredas getting blown up

That's me

[fading onyx]

Maybe, just maybe

Were you a big guy

Or a lalafell

[amber escarp]

Auri

[fading onyx]

The only auri dragoon I remember was Draug

Actually he played SAM

[amber escarp]

I should pick up drk in cc

[fading onyx]

If the enemy team has a white mage AND a bard just stay out of line of sight as best you can

The wind map is the fucking worst for DRK in that position

Other than that it's a load of fun

very frustrating having no hard CC and being very killable if you mess up tho

What I like to do is hop into the enemy and then guarding right away to bait their CC

but it became very unviable in higher elo

nobody took the bait and I'd get melted in seconds

Most games are decided in the first 10 seconds of engagement as DRK to be honest, the momentum seemed to swing depending on if you live or die

[amber escarp]

That's how most games are

I'm not patient, sometimes I initiate and guard if nobody else does

[fading onyx]

I'm not patient either, never once did I group up after a lost fight

[amber escarp]

Even if I should be staying in the back, because if nobody else does, they often initiate on us instead and more often then not we lose

[fading onyx]

As a tank I hated tanking 3 enemy players and "aggroing" all their abilities and focus and then turning around and seeing the remaining 2 players have deleted my team

[amber escarp]

Guess I'll just die lol

[glad ravine]

Paladin-Only Onsal Hakair Frontline Queue Sync

We are hosting an all-paladin Frontline queue sync tomorrow (Friday) at 10:00 PM ET / 7:00 PM PT.

All effects on so you can see 72 Hallow Grounds and covers get used in the same time!

• Revival takes no responsibility for eye damage.
  **No equipping two shields allowed, sword + shield only.
  (We will queue up under the J language setting, if full queue sync doesn't happen, its mini queue sync time! TIME FOR SOME CHAOS!)

If you get a lot of kills, post pictures. It will be funny!

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1023838972855722064

[amber escarp]

good lord, just lost a game in overtime pushing while scholar and sage had their lbs up

thats infuriating

and lost a game because while the enemy team was wiped and my team was pushing in overtime, they all walked off our crystal

[polar gulch]

So I know nothing about pvp but what are y’all’s opinion about 1v1

Is it balanced in any way

[vast crag]

nah

pvp isn't that balanced in a sense, there's favoured jobs

[patent gazelle]

You cant really have balanced duels with how CC is made.

[spiral brook]

I just know that PLD is banned from player-run competitions since it's basically impossible to kill them in a 1v1

[patent gazelle]

Only mnk is able to but even then

[sterile ibex]

to put it lightly
no (tier list from a top player in a tournament server i'm in)

[polar gulch]

Thanks

[patent pine]

With the way Mch bursts this seems completely wrong

[torpid pewter]

drill + lb

[patent pine]

No no

Wildfire > Shotgun> drill> Lb

In a 1v1 Mch will just have you spamming recups and can stand in turret to deny melee

So if this is a “duel” tierlist it’s very

[torpid pewter]

i had a samurai try to scamsetsuken me with debuff up and he still died because i had turret shield
(and that was in frontline too)

literally just scattergun+lbed him immediately after and he disintegrated on the spot because i was on a massive murder spree that game and ended up with like, 16 kills because people kept overestimating their ability to stand up to bh5 mch burst damage

[amber escarp]

Nice

Square take notes. Buff melee more nerf MCHs

[dreamy ridge]

Also buff DNC

Pls

[torpid pewter]

delete nin by taking away its melee mit

[dreamy ridge]

NIN has too much shielding for supposed glass cannon

[torpid pewter]

giving the job with like 10 different ways of getting out 60% mit sure was balanced, meanwhile rdm barely exists half the time because it's more melee than nin is

[pseudo hamlet]

^

Remove the mit

Makes dancer dogshit

[dreamy ridge]

DNC has mit?

I haven't noticed because I get melted by everything

[queen gyro]

Other melees having mitigation makes RDM and DNC kind of disadvantaged

Is what they meant

[dreamy ridge]

AH

yes DNC is confused melee tbh, not just in pvp, otherwise too, I more often felt I need to go to melee range in PVE content

[patent pine]

Dnc aoe is melee so yeah

In dungeons you go melee a lot

Pvp Dnc just isnt built for frontline

[dreamy ridge]

or cc

I get melted too much in CC too

[patent pine]

That one is a matter of prudence

Not to say it isnt risky

But you got mobility

[dreamy ridge]

right, still I get stunlocked when I try to use spin

[patent pine]

Yeah that’s the team just wanting you dead

[dreamy ridge]

Well then mission accomplished

[amber escarp]

attractive dancer, attracts all the attention

[west bridge]

pre 6.1 dnc was the best

[pseudo hamlet]

Pvp dnc just sucks

In fl it does 0 damage aswell

[dreamy ridge]

Well in fl it does 0dmg due to every team having 3 Sages

[patent gazelle]

Anyone who sees wildfire and preps the combo just guards through it

[dreamy ridge]

Lmao

[patent gazelle]

Its kinda easy to tell how the mch will combo

[dreamy ridge]

I know

[spiral brook]

MCH just feels like a lesson in torture from everyone seeing your combo a mile away

I'm amazed my friend managed to get over 5k kills as it in only a few months on their alt

[patent gazelle]

Mch is a really strong job

But really it has 0 self peel and protection

It literally just is a sitting duck in a lot of 1v1 scenarios

Theres a reason why Mch and Rdm are primarily the easiest targets to pick.

[spiral brook]

Sees a RDM charge into my team
Gets promptly obliterated

Nature is beautiful.

[patent gazelle]

In a duel scenario though rdm has much more self sustain

[exotic kayak]

RDM is a job you REALLY want to focus because they will rarely lose a 1v1 if left alone and can easily take jobs like BLM out of the fight.

[spiral brook]

I speak mostly from a frontline experience, but yeah

[exotic kayak]

That's 100% true yeah.

[patent gazelle]

Rdm has good tools for 1v1s but not a lot of good tools when getting focused down

[patent gazelle]

Ur just bad tbh

[pseudo hamlet]

Nah not really

Nice try tho

[quasi robin]

Pvp hotbar doesn't show how do I fix it

Please

[dreamy ridge]

umm first go to a pvp zone like wolves' den

[quasi robin]

I'm there

[dreamy ridge]

that's all you should need

[quiet scaffold]

If it's not showing up you need to open your pvp profile and add them to your hotbar, I had that issue a while back in Frontline.

[dreamy ridge]

okay tell me what do you mean exactly

[quasi robin]

How do I access the pvp profile though

[vast crag]

type /pvpprofile

and to see your pvp hotbar, /teleport to wolve's den

[dreamy ridge]

or use the shortcut from general

[quasi robin]

Thanks for the help

[fast spoke]

Playing melee feels fucking impossible

When all it is is ranged fights and when you do finally go in you're fuckin cc'd to death

[dreamy ridge]

Now imagine doing that as a confused melee, aka DNC

[buoyant hatch]

Good

Melees are already fking ballistically strong in CC where it actually is competitive play

Let casters feel good in frontlines

[dreamy ridge]

Fuck casters

[buoyant hatch]

Now if only the tanks wouldn't have 99% damage reduction permanently

[dreamy ridge]

Oh yeah try to kill a BH5 PLD

[buoyant hatch]

[patent gazelle]

melee impossible?

[exotic kayak]

I've seen DRGs top charts so...

[amber escarp]

Drgs are pseudo ranged

[torpid pewter]

meanwhile in frontline, nin literally is just rdps but with melee 60% because it's technically "melee"

and poor rdm is stuck with caster health and no melee mit so it can't do anything ever unless someone's horrifically out of position

[patent pine]

It’s okay, you just need to frazzle enemies and you gucci

[lean pollen]

Anyone have a pvp team looking for new members? I use either RDM or Bard and my buddy is a Ninja and we're looking for a team so we can pvp together some

[fast spoke]

CC doesn't give wolf marks correct?

[lean pollen]

I'm pretty sure it does

[amber escarp]

It does

Better rate then Frontline without the daily roulette

[fast spoke]

Ah shit ok

So basically I just need to do Frontline daily and then go into CC

I've never done CC but it looks fun

[exotic kayak]

It will make you mad.

But when you succeed...

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[dreamy ridge]

I can attest to that

[patent pine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/960355716168814652/1026564587040022589/dragoon.mp4

:squint

In casual

[fast spoke]

I watched some CC and I kinda like the look of it. Actual smaller scale pvp that may take some form of brain

[patent pine]

As long as the one hacker in Primal isnt being annoying

[fast spoke]

HUH

[patent pine]

Watch clip above

[amber escarp]

What in the f

[patent pine]

They’re well known already and been reported before

And that’s also an alt, havent seen the main in a bit

[fast spoke]

Uh

Is there a way to move the friendly and enemy party lists in CC

[wheat cargo]

yes

open hud layout in the duty

and then if its not already showing you can click duty to filter to them

[fast spoke]

Yeah I got it ty much

[fast spoke]

What's the series reward mount look like?

[amber escarp]

Like ass

[fast spoke]

F

And series last for a major patch right? So that means like 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 etc?

[amber escarp]

https://i.redd.it/ewqac0vjlui91.png

Think so

[fast spoke]

Wow matchmaking is horrid

Just got absolutely fucking rolled in like a min in a ranked CC game

Their team literally focus targeted and nuked each individually person every single time

[fast spoke]

Hit Silver and 3 of my last 4 matches have been my team getting insta-rolled in a min and a half or less

[amber escarp]

Welcome to ranked

I think around silver and gold is where you hit a barrier in terms of skill

People who know their abilities, combos, timings are mixed with people who don't know how to guard or barely hit recuperate

[fast spoke]

Oh god it's gonna be like OW all over again

[exotic kayak]

He unlocked his anime superpowers.

Flash stepping all over the place.

Jokes aside, how petty do you have to be to cheat in casual?

Sorry you had to go through that.

[patent pine]

I believe the worst part is the team not caring and still playing

See cheater throw match teach a lesson

[amber escarp]

I likened it to League, but yeah xD

The previous scoring system meant that eventually you would hit crystal if you won enough games and overall played well enough

Because you wouldn't go down any ranks

Now you can actually drop ranks, like from crystal to diamond back down to platinum, down to gold

[wheat cargo]

platinum 4 is the floor

[amber escarp]

Oh it is? Good to know when I'm rage queuing then xD

[wary orchid]

does SAM lb affect anyone with Kuzushi?

[wheat cargo]

only in the flight path of the person you target

it'll still do damage without the chiten debuff though

[merry pelican]

Anyone tryna 1v1? Started yesterday

[pseudo hamlet]

The series mount is really good

Makes me happy people dislike it tho

Now I feel special

[errant patio]

bard in frontlines is basically assist city

[pseudo hamlet]

Silence but deadly

[errant patio]

haha yeah, it feels good watching a battle turn in your teams favor because a bard popped LB

the damage buffs are no joke

[fast spoke]

So I'm triggered

What fucking jobs stun and silence

[patent pine]

Yes

But if you must know specifics

For stun:
-Sam, Mch, War, Whm(lb), Gnb(lb), Pld, Nin

Silence:
-Rdm, Brd

@fast spoke

[fast spoke]

Ty

Getting triggered being silenced out of my LB and never knew who or wtf does it

Always assumed it was BLM

[sterile ibex]

add blm into stun
freeze is a stun

and dnc/rpr/mnk do hard ccs on their lb, and mnk has a stun itself

also poly is basically silence but cant purify

[fast spoke]

Why blm seem busted

[sterile ibex]

it kinda is

if your melee dont know how to press w at the blm

[fast spoke]

Just had a ranked game where blm pretty much solo carried with 1.3m damage

[sterile ibex]

yeah