CC is still the better way anyways since you can potentially get more matches in the same time frame as 1 frontline
#archived-player-vs-player
subtle hornet
Use more recuperate?
wheat cargo
make sure you're not just thinking ogi is your only burst
weaving mineuchi in earlier on in afight means it does more damage to the target
rather than pressing it later
midare is also good burst
subtle hornet
Try to keep your damage ogcds on cooldown
wheat cargo
and ogi AND its kaeshi do more damage in a 1v1
both are 12k pot in 1v1 vs 8k and 8k shield
crisp leaf
right
wheat cargo
something to consider as a burst sequence (though maybe not perfect) would be soten > hyosetsu > mineuchi > meikyo > ogi > kaeshi > midare
crisp leaf
Hmmm I feel like, when its 5+v1 me the 1, my Chiten LB combo does nothing damage wise...
wheat cargo
even just hitting your lb for damage isn't bad in crowds 24k per person is pretty large
crisp leaf
And I usually just end up dying with my LB wasted
wheat cargo
most people know not to hit you during chiten
so they're not affected by kuzushi
especially if they can see your lb is full
crisp leaf
But there should be damage right? Like its not even connecting HP wise for them, and I'm loosing my LB
wheat cargo
assuming its aimed at the target that goes through the most people
if you're dying before the cast snapshots
then it wouldn't
subtle hornet
Chiten > LB into the whole enemy group is basically a suicide move now
crisp leaf
Ahh, so the game eats my LB but doesnt consider it cast? That's... kinda garbo
subtle hornet
People who've been playing PVP can see it coming a mile away
And know how to avoid it
crisp leaf
Chiten > LB into the whole enemy group is basically a suicide move now
Its more of a, Im going to die anyway, might as well hope to take some people down with me
crisp leaf
Honestly I feel like even if it was a waste, it would work most of the time if the snapshot didnt constantly fail and eat my LB
subtle hornet
It's a waste strategy wise
wheat cargo
the snapshot isn't failing
subtle hornet
If you're the only one left alive on your team? Congrats you wasted your LB with no one to capitalise on it
subtle hornet
Suicide strats just aren't a thing in CC
Dying just means your team is a man down, which makes it easier for the other team to snowball yours
vast crag
you step on it if you don't have guard and the timer for tornado is 10 secs left
subtle hornet
- Chase that down and step on it, so you don't take damage when getting blasted into the air + get a LB fill bonus
crisp leaf
Ahh
sterile ibex
2. Chase that down and step on it, so you don't take damage when getting blasted...
wait it gives lb on top of the gcd and movement speed buff?
subtle hornet
Yuuuup
wheat cargo
ye
subtle hornet
Trade secret 🤐
vast crag
I tried to use it before multiple times, but always failed for some reason ._.
I hate it, so I just guard
subtle hornet
Might be due to server ping/lag lol
subtle hornet
There's also some sort of priority system if multiple people are on it. Whoever is closer to the centre gets it I think?
sterile ibex
im pretty sure yeah
crisp leaf
I meant per level
vast crag
yeah, it's there
crisp leaf
I might be not making myself clear ^^;
I mean like... I'm level 16 and I need 5500 to level. What would I need at level 24 to level
I'm kinda a math nerd and like to calc out how many minimum matches needed to get to 25 lmao
crisp leaf
I kinda hate how if you capture a point you can still loose in overtime
vast crag
yeah just enjoy it, lol. If you start tilting just do it again tomorrow
tilting and keep playing = losing more
crisp leaf
But I need to get 25 by tuesday xD
subtle hornet
There's no such thing as capture a point, it's down to how far you can push 
vast crag
oh right, it's close to deadline
crisp leaf
Yea T_T
vast crag
yeah It took me a long time to get my lv 25 myself.. but I only did 1 frontline a day and just playing CC till I lose in ranked...
crisp leaf
Frontline doesnt give exp for series
vast crag
the main purpose was leveling my alt job, and get that rank 25 as a bonus
wait, it doesn't? ._.
crisp leaf
Not if you loose
crisp leaf
OK then its a visual glitch, it doesnt show purple exp
vast crag
purple exp? 🤔
spiral brook
It should be a yellow text line if you didn’t mess with default text colors
Same as regular exp
spiral brook
Not there
crisp leaf
Purple exp
crisp leaf
I understand what you mean. I just meant it doesnt show there and thats where I looked
spiral brook
Which is based on your GC
vast crag
ic ic, I never paid attention to those lol
crisp leaf
I thought red is for your GC
vast crag
and yeah what I meant was the one shown in the chatbox
spiral brook
Ah ok
vast crag
ah make sense
spiral brook
Tbh I represssed PVP rank exp
vast crag
I got it now
spiral brook
It’s only for achievements nowadays
vast crag
yeah
crisp leaf
You are correct though
It does give series exp, its not represented in the end game status card via the purple exp icon
vast crag
It's also quite popular now, cause people also want to field commander coat and that moggle tome
I see people just spamming it even without the daily challenge bonus, lol
but yeah, if the series level 25 is ended next Tuesday and you wanted it
you probably need to spend everytime you online to play CC
crisp leaf
Yep, basically... =/
vast crag
casual is ok, but it's not MMR gated, while there are people who like this approach, it's also means you can be matched with crystal players
crisp leaf
yea, but it also means I could have crystal players on my team xD
And they could have trash players on theirs
vast crag
yeah, no worries hehe
crisp leaf
Like me >=)
vast crag
But I need to get 25 by tuesday xD
also are you sure about this?
vast crag
I read somewhere that the reward will stay for the next series
crisp leaf
I think claiming the reward will be available
so like, if you finished but didnt claim for some reason
you can still get your shades
vast crag
huh, hmm
yeah I don't remember, cause I also remember asking here in the very beginning of CC launch
and someone answered that I can still get the reward next season, or something like that
but I don't remember the specific
but maybe you are right
crisp leaf
Yea, I dont know, its possible it might be buyable in pieces or something with crystal shards? but I didnt read that anywhere
sterile ibex
Well thats when 6.2 drops
6.2 drops on the 23rd
crisp leaf
Right, which is next tuesday
sterile ibex
technically next tuesday is tomorrow 
crisp leaf
"This coming tuesday" would be tomorrow xD
patent pine
What even kind of game was that
crisp leaf
A fast one
patent pine
Healer job isn’t healing ironically
torpid pewter
healing just has more sustain than dps casters in pvp, they can do plenty of damage in their own right
elder silo
new armor
stable wadi
dire otter
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exotic kayak
I haven't seen any posts on season rewards so I'm assuming that's just a joke.
queen gyro
It’s happened before with Feast rewards right
crisp leaf
If true it’s fine, I’ll just adjust my monitor color settings and won’t have to farm season 2
fast spoke
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Sponsored by WotLK
patent pine
healing just has more sustain than dps casters in pvp, they can do plenty of dam...
Sge though 
Where is this “sustain”?
sturdy totem
so for mnk, i assume you want to save rising phoenix charges for phantom rush?
sterile ibex
so for mnk, i assume you want to save rising phoenix charges for phantom rush?
and enlightenment generally yeah
patent gazelle
Enlightenment and Phantom Rush generally
you dont have Phantom Rush up all the time so Enlightenment most of the time though
you kinda want RP rolling its CD
unkempt ridge
Regarding the daily pvp rotation, is there a website or something that shows whats today and tomorrow?
vast crag
random
torpid pewter
so don't queue for fl after onsal day, got it
spiral brook
For Crystal Conflict, the map switches through the white one > volcano > wind one every 90 minutes
sterile ibex
For Crystal Conflict, the map switches through the white one > volcano > wind on...
revival also has a timer for this if you're too lazy to scroll down in the duty finder menu
limpid lichen
do yall know a good spot to find a team to enter into the community cup with?
wary orchid
gnb tips?
torpid pewter
gnb tips: play drk instead
patent gazelle
gnb is fine
gnb is a lower cd drg at times
cause the burst they can output with their lb nuts
spiral brook
People seem pretty scared of them at times when I play with my friend who plays GNB
patent gazelle
yeah dont stack around a single point when gnb lb is up
spiral brook
When you try to smack the GNB doing their lb but they have tank stance so it just hurts you even more due to the stacks from the lb
pine bear
new series reward
spiral brook
I wonder how much that will scale in size in relation to player race
like if it will be full size with roegadyn/hrothgar
pine bear
I wonder how much that will scale in size in relation to player race
it uses the gwyber model so i guess it's small as them
tepid pier
These are preliminary patch notes.
queen gyro
PLDs in zonal Hakir still untouched
winter canopy
no
spiral brook
if GARO is going to last anywhere near as long as it did the first time
it's staying until like 7.0 at minimum
wide pumice
ripe pond
I just found pvp and now I'm addicted
sturdy totem
i'm only on step 11 of the series, is it reasonable to grind out the rest, or at least to 25 before 6.2?
spiral brook
If you no-life it, yes.
Just keep spamming casual crystal conflict and hope you get a good win streak
sturdy totem
still not sure how the series end point works
so we'll still be able to earn series 1 stuff when 6.2 drops?
spiral brook
Can’t say for sure.
First season and everything, and the patch wasn’t too clear on it
fading timber
new series reward
Honestly I’d prefer they don’t underscale to lalas...
sterile ibex
yeah the ui is dogshit
bar towards enemy team = how far you've progressed and mirrored for enemy progress
fresh terrace
is it really that simple
sterile ibex
i guess it's supposed to be how far they've advanced on you?
but in practice it's just super confusing at a glance
yeah
fresh terrace
I'm probably overthinking the colours but I swear it flips
cuz in that match
the blue bar on the left was my team progressing
but my brain wants to assume the enemy territory is on the right of that bar
sterile ibex
and that's why it's a bad ui
sterile ibex
almost everyone has their party list on the left so they associate their team with the left
fresh terrace
yeah!
I can't stand it, can we even adjust the pvp ui yet
I struggle with the sheer time it takes for my eyeballs to look at everything on the screen
sterile ibex
so basically
sterile ibex
can any of you tell if I'm winning based on this pic
red-side % = enemy progress
red-side bar = your progress
blue-side % = your progress
blue-side bar = enemy progress
you can essentially ignore the bar and get the info you need basically
pseudo hamlet
Yep
fresh terrace
okay yeah. it's the colours that trip me up
your home end of the bar is always blue
and your goal end is always red
sterile ibex
i also wish it mattered how many people you had on point
like this literally doesnt matter
just the crystal itself
fresh terrace
you're right, it's pointless
nobody has the braintime to even read that number
unless you're respawning I guess
hasty igloo
Hi hi I’m new to the pvp area and having trouble with my summoner spells can anyone help?
spiral brook
Even if it did work
I would’ve been safely alive due to the rock outcropping
Or whatever you’d call the rock jutting out of the side of the cliff
torpid pewter
that trick only really works on a few specific spots aside from borderland ruins where you can do it and not have to kill yourself in the process
or, y'know, just play monk and get to do it with no counterplay whatsoever
vast crag
easy battle high
spiral brook
The real thing tying it together is that they had BH2 and still chose to jump to their death
💀
torpid pewter
if i do play warrior in frontline i usually just try to pull people into my team if they step out of position for half a second so they disintegrate on the spot
vast crag
yeah, that's what I usually use the bloatin on CC
torpid pewter
especially if they're overextending or trying to bait scamsetsuken
vast crag
just pull them to my team so they can gank up on that person
torpid pewter
oh, and scholars, especially scholars
torpid pewter
whm spam and still losing 
vast crag
but I haven't played for a while, It was when SMN was OP
torpid pewter
and that was when it was stronger too
spiral brook
Gotta abuse MNK to juggle the PLD cheese duos
torpid pewter
i just want fall damage removed from frontline tbh since it's not like people in cc have to deal with it outside of fixed instances where it's actually built into the map, always doing the same damage and not just a mechanic held over from pve that a few jobs can abuse for easy instant kills
in fact i looked at old pvp from way back when and one thing in particular struck me: it was much, much slower paced than the chaotic mess we have now
rich sail
pld cheese is hilarious gg SE
queen gyro
Come on it’s one of the only things that keep DRG fun in Frontlines
People chasing me down cliffs and dying
torpid pewter
you already have the hardest-hitting aoe nuke lb and tons of damage options aside from that, if you're not having fun with all that as-is then that's your own issue
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torpid pewter
bruh
saying this again because a certain something should not be posting here like that, can you blota/kb pld during their invuln?
queen gyro
Yeah but in Frontline Skyshatter’s impact is neutered
Not even just from the damage perspective but the fact that the field is so huge and targets are scattered
Still good numbers on the final Damage score in the end but doesn’t actually have that game winning impact in terms of securing objectives
NIN and SAM and MNK all have kill security built into them
But DRG has better maneuverability than NIN so there’s that
Just don't get knocked off the ledge
vital escarp
i'm series lvl 10 rn, how do I claim my rewards <_>
winter canopy
Open the malmstone page from the pvp profile
vital escarp
yeah I did, I click on them and nothing happens
oh i have to click on them all seperately lol im a dumbass. ty
sterile stratus
Quick question that may or may not have been answered before: will we be able to get the archfiend gear via the trophy crystals once this series ends? I'm kind of behind on pvp and don't wanna miss out on the armor.
I keep trying to find information about this but all I found was a reddit post where someone said "they said you can"
queen gyro
Cartenau is probably the fairest mode in FL
spiral brook
Quick question that may or may not have been answered before: will we be able to...
We don’t know for sure how they’re doing it since this is our first time moving to a new series
sterile stratus
We don’t know for sure how they’re doing it since this is our first time moving ...
Ahh. I've seen a few things now that were official that sort of nod that it's what they'll do, just trying to make sure. I dont really wanna spend the next 4-5 hours trying to grind CC.
spiral brook
What irks me the wrong way is the before/after image they used to show the series changing, as the window doesn’t show a button to look at the previous series.
But when the mode was first revealed, they DID assure people that rewards would carry over to the next series before vanishing and be buyable with trophies
sterile stratus
That's good. I saw that you can claim whatever you've already unlocked
Just wanted /hoped we could buy what we missed with the crystals. Big FOMO feels.
spiral brook
The FOMO is still there, just that the items will last one series after their debut
And vastly better than old ranked PVP rewards
pseudo hamlet
I wonder how expensive it will be
Because if it requires max trophy crystals you could just cap out on them and skip seasons
spiral brook
Well as it’s a full armor set, 10-12k trophies is very reasonable
kind tinsel
got a question for pvpers: I am just getting into the pvp over the last few weeks and I see the coffer for series level 25 - will this be available when the new season starts this week still? like can I continue to work towards it?
sterile stratus
got a question for pvpers: I am just getting into the pvp over the last few week...
This is related to my question above, apparently you'll be able to buy it with the crystals, next tier will have new stuff.
kind tinsel
ah word, okay
I feel less bad about missing out finishing this series then, thank you
sterile stratus
yeah. I was panicking today cause I havent gotten to play as much as I've wanted
fomo is stronk
kind tinsel
yeah I was trying to cram in some pvp just now and i started to get a bit tired
pseudo hamlet
You got a few hours before it’s completely gone
spiral brook
The rewards from series 1 will be moved to the trophy store
And then vanish once series 3 starts
signal dove
I mean what these series two rewards are, i see a mount horn on line 25
spiral brook
It’s a dragon
signal dove
Decent decent. Also, im guessing lines 15 and 16 are some sort of minion in different colors, too hard to tell
spiral brook
Red and blue cruise chaser minions
signal dove
loool cute
So the mount is basically the Red Dragon from crystal tower and one that grows in size with race
Kinda like the Dreadnaught from Feast season 20 that also size adjusts
exotic kayak
DRG got buffed? What?
Chaotic Spring: Portion of damage absorbed as HP has been increased from 100% to 150%.
Horrid Roar: Recast time has been reduced from 30 to 25 seconds.
sterile ibex
15k chaotic spring time
subtle hornet
I don't care
Monk LB recharge time got increase
FINALLY I CAN BE INSTA KILL COMBOED LESS
sterile ibex
whm lb still no nerf
subtle hornet
Is WHM now S tier again with those buffs lol
sterile ibex
did it leave s tier?
pseudo hamlet
They gave whm buffs
And straight nerfed sch
Lmao
Atleast buff mummification or something
winter crow
queen gyro
PLD in Frontline clearly working as intended
torpid pewter
monk lb nerfed
subtle hornet
monk LB nerfed
spiral brook
MNK LB nerfed
sterile ibex
monk lb nerfed
soft wigeon
Um why did whm get buffed wtf
torpid pewter
time for whm and smn spam meta 2.0 
sterile ibex
shut up frontline player
torpid pewter
silence name i can't say
buoyant hatch
Lmao they buffed dragoon and whitemage
While most of the changes can be argued that it's because of the tournament that they made these adjustments, I can't see a reason for the dragoon buff. Isn't it like present in more or less every team and is making a big impact every time? 
pine bear
Red and blue cruise chaser minions
raven chaser and falcon chaser*
spiral brook
NEEEEEERD
pine bear
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turbid rivet
So furious they’ve not even spoken about the PLD cheese. They clearly don’t give a crap about Frontlines. Only balancing on CC not taking anything else into account
pine bear
i am cheesed
sterile ibex
So furious they’ve not even spoken about the PLD cheese. They clearly don’t give...
tbf there isnt frontlines ranked and it isnt exactly taken seriously with 72 total people
spiral brook
At this point it feels like cover cheese is intended if they aren’t going to do something about it anytime soon
RIP Onsal days
torpid pewter
at least smn has more team support
red healer
pseudo hamlet
Where do you buy the previous series stuff
torpid pewter
crystal trophy shop in wolves den
it's in the ship, the middle shop between the collar and mark shops
golden storm
is the archfiend armour gone forever or is it avalible for some other way?
i had a look at the crystal shop and i can't find it
torpid pewter
did you look in the armor tab
or maybe the "other" tab now that i think of it, hmm
golden storm
i will double check
for armour there's just virtu stuff
and in other i can only see the framer kits.
vapid flicker
Okay big Question: Is this exploit on the Stormblood Map with the Paladin Invuln and Cover finally fixed or even mentioned in the Patch Notes?
spiral brook
PLD cheese is still around according to patch notes
No mention of the guardian skill or PLD lb
golden storm
Archfiend coffer is gone.
that is so annoying. i completely forgot about it untill today
what a shame
signal dove
jaunty igloo
I thought they said in a previous live letter that any missed rewards from the series could still be bought with trophy crystals until the end of the following series?
signal dove
Does not apply to the coffer
spiral brook
But as far as I can tell, none of the series 1 rewards were in the trophy shop
And we were assured that’d the rewards would still be around for the series after they came out
signal dove
Any rewards from series 1 that wasn't obtained at series 2 start are gone for good.
spiral brook
Shitty way to do it, IMO
What person doesn’t claim rewards as they become available?
signal dove
You'd be surprised
golden storm
I didn't know about that coffer until like this week
signal dove
Not just the Archfiend coffer, but the False shaded spectacles are gone as well
golden storm
I thought it was end game endwalker stuff and never touched ovp much really. Only little bits here and there
They should have stayed that the archdiend coffer would have been gone forever.
golden storm
I thought they said in a previous live letter that any missed rewards from the s...
Seeing as they did say this why would they not say that the archfiend coffer would not be avaliable.
signal dove
For clarification, if a player already achieved the series level ups past 25 (Archfiend coffer) during season 1, then you have until the end of season 2 to claim them
If you have not done any of the above in season 1, you are SOL.
Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/1a916edcedcf1c0c4749eebe9f36652388b44336
golden storm
So I didn't get to 25 and I checked the shop and it wasn't there. Do I need to wait until 6.3 I'm sorry I'm confused
signal dove
if you, for example got to level 10 from season 1, you can only claim those crystals until the end of season 2
I think from 1-10 there is a frame and a emote
golden storm
So because I missed level 25 I can't get it?
signal dove
You can't unfortunately
Only if you made it to 25 but for some reason didnt have time to claim it
golden storm
I'm so annoyed man.
#translations-and-liveletters message
Si this is only for if you got to the level 25 and didn't claim it?
cinder ingot
Are there no rising or final conflict rewards? I made it back into the top 100 by the skin of my teeth last night but didn't get any rising conflict title or framers kit
golden storm
God damn it man. (Sigh) I wish they were more clear and actually just be upfront to us about this shit
cinder ingot
Just took a look at the lodestone, the letters from the moogles may take a while to arrive apparently
signal dove
When it comes to claiming final stuff, the moogles are hell of slow
I waited almost a week to claim feast season 20 top 100 reward
it sucks
Whoever received 1st place trophies from the feast season 1-20 are lucky since they are long gone now.
sacred quail
God damn it man. (Sigh) I wish they were more clear and actually just be upfront...
I'd wait. Could be a mistake. Pretty sure they said rewards would be buyable with crystals. Might just take time to implement it or you looked at wrong vendor
crude path
GMs apparently starting to take action on CC rank manipulation
sacred quail
GMs apparently starting to take action on CC rank manipulation
I hope so. Plan on grinding this season. If I see suspicious crap again i won't bother going for top
golden storm
I'd wait. Could be a mistake. Pretty sure they said rewards would be buyable wit...
Yeah sorry I got mad. Annoyed as power is going to be out all day and I won't be able to play with mates
crude path
The classic "I didn't do anything wrong (except have 4 character in the top 30 on multiple DCs that were suspiciously high for a relatively low number of wins)"
signal dove
I hope so. Plan on grinding this season. If I see suspicious crap again i won't ...
It's already happening on my DC, i stopped.
golden storm
Is there any rewards for ranked cc
golden storm
Ah ok 👍
signal dove
meh, the manipulation really kills the mood, but this is nothing new.
golden storm
Triple triad tournaments be like. I just want that damn lightning card but boosters are annoying
patent gazelle
they already did ban a few wintraders in S1 and S2
signal dove
Not enough, they will keep coming
crude path
thats why I don't believe anyone when they say "Unjustified"
wheat cargo
What if I get banned corn
First they came for the wintraders and I didn't speak up blah blah blah
sonic jolt
I'm so happy blood whetting heals for 100% of damage again. It was so awful after it was reduced to 75% several patches ago.
Couldn't heal enough to stay alive. Felt like my war was made of paper... 😢
Still made of paper, but at least I can play more with better sustain
queen gyro
Apparently the guy who was banned was a streamer I didn’t know about
This could be a targeted thing
Nobody’s gonna go after some guy who does ranked pvp, but that can definitely happen to a streamer
Could also be a win trader, dunno, it’s all he said she said at this point
sterile stratus
To me it makes 0 sense why they'd put that the rewards would be purchasable via crystals and then they arent there. Maybe a delay/issue? How would the community go about prodding them about it? lol
rough forge
Lol they really didn't fix paladin
torpid pewter
easiest way to decheese pvp frontline pld would be to just make the lb not give invuln but just the 50% mit like everyone else gets from it tbh
spiral brook
Or make it so people being covered can’t interact with objectives
Or hitting someone being covered still interrupts them
I’d like the cheese to be gone completely, not easier to counter
torpid pewter
by the way did you notice they added jail cell bars to the mark shop 
the true pvp experience: going to jail for murder
torpid pewter
also for people who think cc is somehow magically better than frontline: it isn't, especially since you can get matchmade against a team with a healer while you get nothing and basically just autolose if they aren't 100% braindead
patent gazelle
Implying healers are needed in CC.
torpid pewter
oh trust me, they are, especially when the rest of your team doesn't focus them, case in point i played three games, the first one we didn't have a healer and lost, the second the enemy didn't have a healer and we won, and the third we didn't have one again but i did nothing but focus the healer the whole time and we won
pseudo hamlet
Simply become the healer
wheat cargo
comp diff like only matters
when the skill level of the teams
are the same
which like never happens so it doesn't matter
sullen mist
Healers aren't needed
I say this as a healer
Even using my heals on my team often barely just delays a death
Or we were already winning and win harder
Otherwise we are a caster
patent gazelle
a caster that provides heealing
pseudo hamlet
Healers can barely heal for long
sullen mist
I'm not wasting my expedient boosting adloqium when I could boost biolysis
sullen mist
So take expedient/recitation out of the picture
pseudo hamlet
I only boost adlo if we are winning the fight tbh
sullen mist
I can get off... 3 heals in an engagement
patent gazelle
most sch healing is from seraph
sullen mist
8k is like, one weaponskill lol
subtle hornet
12k now
pseudo hamlet
Fuck drg lb
pseudo hamlet
It still just braindead beats out dnc lb
sullen mist
Seraph would heal more if my dumbass team would stand in it
pseudo hamlet
Whm feels strong
subtle hornet
I wonder if they overcompensated again lmao
sullen mist
Besides
If a team lets someone dive and 1v1 their healer out of the fight
They're a bad team
subtle hornet
Hey that's my teams
sullen mist
All healers are aoe based
subtle hornet
If I try that on the other healer, I get nuked to oblivion 
sullen mist
Leaving them on an island to fend for themselves against a monk is basically throwing
Since you lose their aoe for your teamfight
sonic jolt
I wonder if they overcompensated again lmao
Probably lol
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pseudo hamlet
When tf did paladin become the most annoying job
They can just gapcloser stun whoever
patent gazelle
Always has been
torpid pewter
pld and mnk are both really annoying, one does more damage and can bypass guard but the other is nearly unkillable unless focused down
patent gazelle
pld is very squishy when focused tbh
torpid pewter
everyone is, but pld has so many self heals that you can't just have one person fighting them because they'll casually heal off any chip damage they take
lapis mauve
Thats what i was thinking
Cus i play monk
A Reaper killed me tho but i killed another one so it's all good balance is restored monk is the best once again
exotic kayak
what do you guys think is the best duel class
Monk is the correct answer, but RDM and RPR are also very good at it.
queen gyro
Only reason NIN isn’t on that list is how slow they build LB
patent gazelle
Eh
Not really
Nin lb gain is average
Real reason is that their prolonged pressure is actually pretty bad
sterile ibex
Real reason is that their prolonged pressure is actually pretty bad
their pressure only exists with lb
which is why nin is the rat class
but this is a tier list from people who actually have a fuck ton of duel experience (pld is banned in all of the tourneys they do because it takes too fucking long to kill )
lapis mauve
but this is a tier list from people who actually have a fuck ton of duel experie...
Wow this seems pretty good
Thanks man!
terse tangle
I keep getting the least damage done on my team as SAM, sometimes by a large margin
terse tangle
CC
pseudo hamlet
Depends
terse tangle
I rarely get more than one kill on my LB, if any
pseudo hamlet
Sometimes your damage can be low but your actual contribution to the match is high
Well that’s normal
The higher you rank up the less people fall for the lb
terse tangle
im literally bronze though
pseudo hamlet
Oh
terse tangle
never made it past silver on season 1
lapis mauve
Sometimes your damage can be low but your actual contribution to the match is hi...
True
Look it's hard to match healers or rdps since you have to get into people's faces to kill them so don't sweat it
As long as you get picks and push the point that's good enough
subtle hornet
Bronze is really sweaty right now, everyone fighting to get out of it
Already having people rage quitting and good job spamming in bronze 
terse tangle
yeah, I imagine thats the state of affairs right now
Ive come across a couple people with Crystal banners
but still, I feel like im doing very wrong with a victory ratio of like 20% and almost always on the last 2 in damage dealt
subtle hornet
Practice your rotation on the training dummy in wolf's den
sterile ibex
Already having people rage quitting and good job spamming in bronze <:kekstar:58...
tbf that just happens
even in casuals
subtle hornet
Oh nah, it's especially the early morning crowd
It warms my heart to see a good job spammer stuck in silver with me, when I'm pretty sure they spend way more of their time playing CC than me 
queen gyro
DRGs just fly through CC but kinda flounder about in FL
Tfw lots of damage but no kill security
torpid pewter
has gotten bh5 in fl every other time played with drg
queen gyro
It’s really dependent on how well we do as a group, doesn’t feel like I can do much if we’re not
Don’t have Reaper’s disruption, NIN’s snowballing, or SAM’s occasional 360 no scope
Just a lot of raw damage
torpid pewter
nin should be considered ranged physical in fl tbh considering all it does is hang back, spam shurikens/mudra and teleport away the second it comes close to being in danger
subtle hornet
And I'm doing better on dragoon in FL than CC 👀
Can't abuse the melee tankiness in CC 
torpid pewter
monk, biolytic bots and nin are the 3 jobs i try to focus more than anything tbh
queen gyro
The teleport is a hilariously unreliable escape
subtle hornet
Feels like those escape moves don't work very well on high ping
I tend to backflip in random directions because of server lag
queen gyro
I don’t think I’ve actually seen a NIN successfully teleport away from a group skirmish without stealth being broken by something that registered through server tick
subtle hornet
Depends if there's aoe attacks?
It works well when trying to escape being targeted 1 on 1
queen gyro
Yeah, you can time it properly if it’s 1v1
torpid pewter
i survived being attacked by an entire party for half a minute straight as nin because of how many safety nets it has
and i got away from that too
torpid pewter
still, that's really stupid
queen gyro
True
Theoretically you can just tank for half a minute waiting for a chance to chain LB
subtle hornet
That's more frontline melee tankiness than ninja to be fair
torpid pewter
still stupid
torpid pewter
naruto creator wanted to originally do generic magic fantasy but ended up doing ninjas with magic instead
wheat cargo
I rarely get more than one kill on my LB, if any
i think this is a trap mentality, you don't do most of your damage from LB
learn what your burst is
and use that
terse tangle
Ill read more about than, thank you
subtle hornet
Strictly speaking, as a melee you work best when you're harassing the backline too
It's all a mind game, make them disengage to run away, and kill them as they're running
Iirc SAM has some gap closers that can chase people down
But it's all depending on the match, as you don't want to be insta focused and melted when you harass the backline
white shuttle
Question as a caster/healer im assuming i should be staying back/on the crystal at all times while the melee on my team push back the opposing team right? Or is it a case to case basis? I'm horrible at pvp but I would like to get better
patent gazelle
case to case
white shuttle
Ah I see. Are there any good pvp guides out there that you would recommend? Or should I just keep playing til I get better
sullen mist
damn, an absolutely dominant frontlines
the team balanced juggling points and absolutely dominated the combined teamfights
we hit 1600 when the other two teams only combined for ~1300
tfw they had 15+ each at mid and couldn't take it and we had 6 or so in mid just pasting both sides
meanwhile our other 18 were stomping the various a ranks
patent gazelle
Do you find the phoenix heal worth?
yes pheonix is worth more than bahamut in some situations
sterile ibex
yeah phoenix heal is really good
also the instant casts are helpful in a lot of situations
torpid pewter
phoenix is esp good in frontline because full party and its ability of targeting the closest enemy can help with stopping people from capping objectives
bahamut is also good but people tend to heal off its damage too quickly to matter unless they're already being focused
sterile ibex
well in frontline it's moreso eating resources
subtle hornet
Well you used to be able to wipe people with bahamut
Less so now after the changes 
patent gazelle
match quality on plat+ rn is pretty good right now
you only get matched with other good players
fresh terrace
hm, I don't get why teammates think it's a good idea to fight with you over markers
especially when you place one on yourself during prep phase
jump up and down saying "attack!"
then place it on the first enemy 20 seconds later
and then they start using their own symbol, lol
torpid pewter
i mark things i want to kill with 5
which is usually good enough for someone to notice and help me out with it
sacred quail
I look at the target being attacked or the attack target emote. Half the time I don't even see markers with everything going on
sullen mist
The true frontlines experience is all player effects on prove me wrong
warm sedge
i love frontline
torpid pewter
random frontline idea: getting bh5 overrides the music with a theme of your choice (using your orch scroll list) 
graceful tulip
few people would hear it since roulette
torpid pewter
few people would hear it since roulette <:haha:240841245239410688>
that's the point, it'd be special
amber escarp
Man ranked is a shitshow now after bringing everyone to bronze
It’s a complete coin toss on the quality of your team mates vs the enemies’
queen gyro
Always has been
flint plaza
Man ranked is a shitshow now after bringing everyone to bronze
the way they did it last season was way more fun
low ranked is probably the most frustrating it has ever been. as soon as I see achievements popping up of more than 2 people I know that I will lose a match
right now you can carry only 1 or 2 people in low ranked depending on how strong the enemy team is
matches are boring as fuck if the teams aren't equal but solo queue is probably overall healthier for ranked
crisp leaf
Is Rival wings still broken?
patent gazelle
Give rival wings a daily roulette too
Itll give life to it
But se is too smart to do that
torpid pewter
honestly they should just have all 3 pvps as seperate roulettes, pick one for the daily and scale the daily reward based on average match length
fresh terrace
yeah the bronze reset was a bit ick
the primary way to win a match in CC is by focusing one enemy at a time, but a lot of low ranked players just ignore target markers and attack everyone
they either do it and win, or they don't and lose a star 
exotic kayak
Is Rival wings still broken?
PvP revival has an event Friday night to try to get as many people queueing for it as possible.
patent gazelle
the primary way to win a match in CC is by focusing one enemy at a time, but a l...
May i introduce you to 🐀-ing
subtle hornet
I'm honestly going to ignore ranked CC, much better for my mental health
Everyone is malding in silver/gold lmao
And I'm too, because the quality of players swing wildly
Amazing how you can't carry a team, because the people you're queue syncing with keep sniping you
And when you're dead, the rest of the team crumbles 75% of the time
let's not talk about the good match/thank you spammers
or your team mates who loooove to be the hero and try to 1v5 enemies
or the players who only know how to press the "push the crystal" button and nothing else
or that one blm who somehow got to gold, but when playing with them runs away at the first sign of trouble, leaving the rest of your team one man short. When I was queue syncing with them? The team that they're on always lost
broken matrix
Who ever made the decision to place everyone back into bronze needs to be fired. The matchmaking is absolutely atrocious.
amber escarp
the primary way to win a match in CC is by focusing one enemy at a time, but a l...
whats worse is you get your token samurai players who think they are good at the job in cc even though they are basically randomly mashing their skills then they start spamming good match or nice job when their team mates cant carry them.
subtle hornet
What makes you think it's just SAM
I've seen all players do that 
Do you know
One match
I had a non kardia sage on my team
fun times
sacred quail
Who ever made the decision to place everyone back into bronze needs to be fired....
It's been good for me but new players might struggle. Back to where I belong winning slightly tho. I want to go back down a few ranks 😄
lilac crest
anybody know why im not getting xp from killing enemys
did the same thing yesterday but i fixed it somhow and now its doing it again
exotic kayak
When a teammate throws up three different markers that mean absolutely nothing in the middle of Ranked CC so my team doesn't focus anything...
broken matrix
Why is this a thing?
fresh terrace
not enough players out of bronze to form a queue
the other team would have an equivalent gold on it too, tho
fresh terrace
When a teammate throws up three different markers that mean absolutely nothing i...
lol, I've learned to overwrite their marks with my own if they start confusing teammates like that
fresh terrace
May i introduce you to 🐀-ing
I might have to tbh 
patent gazelle
Rat rat rat
patent gazelle
Learn how to rat
pseudo hamlet
💀
wheat cargo
@gleaming axle don't just name people like that. its not really allowed
crude path
Who ever made the decision to place everyone back into bronze needs to be fired....
ya, it friggin sucks
sacred quail
ya, it friggin sucks
I'm loving it. Got to try out a new job and rank up with it. Now I have a new main
pseudo hamlet
I got to completely shit on newbs with whm what’s to complain about
crisp leaf
Did Machinist LB get a silent nerf? I dont feel like I do nearly as much as I use to using it
hidden palm
How do I report a teammate for throwing in ranked crystalline conflict? Went to recently played with and there wasn’t a report option
wooden grove
How do I report a teammate for throwing in ranked crystalline conflict? Went to ...
you can search for it:
wooden grove
i am not sure if i can cross-post pvp events here but revival is hosting rival wings throughout the second half of this week! check the pins in #general-discussion for more info!
sacred quail
Did Machinist LB get a silent nerf? I dont feel like I do nearly as much as I us...
I'm still blowing people up when I play it
tepid compass
Mch LB with wildfire = instant KO unless they use Guard or get tank coverage or something
torpid pewter
ohhh right, wildfire is damage accumulation and not a flat amount like pve isn't it
never thought about that before, just assumed lb didn't work with it
torpid pewter
!pvpaction wildfire
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barren dagger
So as Rival Wings is back, and I never managed to get in there in 2years i am playing ffxiv - is there potentially more going on during weekends? Or got the PvP community a certain day when they all queue up for it? Cause it would really test it out, but having a 30min queue and then waiting an hour without pop is just not my thing...
...and i am tired of CC and the zerg that is Frontline to be honest.
pseudo hamlet
Yes
Glad you asked
Where the fuck are they when you need em
This server is home to the rival wings queue events it happens every week I think the next one is Thursday? @barren dagger
Oh boy 5 days of event so join in 
wooden grove
So as Rival Wings is back, and I never managed to get in there in 2years i am pl...
Yes! We have just announced five consecutive days of Rival Wings events!!
Here is the link to the subreddit announcement: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/x2dh3r/_/
And our promo poster below! 
wooden grove
Where the fuck are they when you need em
We've hosted a few RW games already! Get your role pings in the server so we can ping and notify you 
torpid pewter
i remember at one point saying that only frontline needed status diminishing returns?
yeah no scratch that, turns out it's a problem in both cc and frontline, it's just slightly less likely due to the number of people being much lower
it's not fun getting stunlocked for 10 seconds by a team that has at least one stun/silence on every single party member (warrior, white mage, ninja, monk, bard)
and no, purify didn't help since if the stuns didn't work they'd just kill me instead
sullen mist
I mean
If they use 5 crowd controls on you
How is your team not taking advantage
No shit 5 people using their cooldowns should blow up one person
torpid pewter
because they're also dead due to the exact same garbage, it's not like they were just doing it to me
you also forget ninja can stun you twice in a row for 4 seconds in total
sullen mist
How are they the only ones getting their skills off? Don't expect me to believe they always get all their moves off and your team never had the chance to counterplay. If they drop 2 stuns on someone who purifies then the next person trying to nuke gets jumped on by your own PLD, the teammate is probably getting away
Yeah sure you run into well coordinated smurfs sometimes
Thats just a L if your team isn't on the level
They'll be in like, plat or crystal at some point and not your problem until you reach there
torpid pewter
i like how you assume so many things about my matches/gameplay without even having seen any of it, like the pld thing, there was no pld nor did i ever make mention of one being there
the other 4, i don't even know where they were half the time because they were either dead when i found them or they were busy getting 5v1ed
and yes, they literally kept filing off one by one to die to the stun spam mill
sullen mist
I never said you had a pld. Its an example
Replace him with a warrior or a drk or a monk
torpid pewter
none of which we had either, i think the only one i even remember was a drg since it didn't matter anyway because they were braindead
sullen mist
If you had a team of 5 squishies and they didn't play defensively that's a team skill issue
torpid pewter
i was stuck with mch because i assumed the matchmaking would be sensible and give me at least one tank to work with
it did not
sullen mist
I always look at the enemy roster when I zone in because I play a class with zero disengage
Enemy team is 5 dps and I have a decently tanky party member or two, I play up and aggressive
Enemy team is 2 tanks and I have a drg at most? Play at range and zone backwards
Your team sucking and feeding doesn't change with diminishing crowd control because replace any of the enemy with a pure dps no cc class like, idk, drg and your teammates still get stunned, purify, then die because 5 people are pounding them (now with extra deeps)
torpid pewter
now see, it's easy to say all of this but the problem is, well, matchmaking, you can "play" as well as you'd like, it doesn't matter if the rest of the team is made up of lemmings and die to basic stuff anyway
torpid pewter
the enemy nin was literally just doing basic attacks at some points and they were dying from it, like, how
sullen mist
Because shitters are shitters
And no amount of balancing changes that
Hence my point. It's not the job balance or cc. A shitty team gets rolled either way.
Doesn't matter if you're world #1 mch if your teammates feed and leave you 1v5
torpid pewter
i don't think i'd even want to be world #1 mch
that's like getting a world record for sitting down too long
sullen mist
See you think you want diminishing cc
But alright let's put it into the scenario
Your dumb feeder teammates rushes in, spams purify and recuperate, dies on the way out from sheer damage anyways
The ninja overextends to kill your teammate. You drop a stun, your teammate overlaps one. The ninja purifies.
You chase 3v1 and someone lands a third stun after the purify expires but it has a reduced stun time
Ninja gets away with 5%
Bad teams already struggle getting kills
And because they're bad, their opponents aren't struggling nearly as much to get kills
So the gap widens
torpid pewter
i mean, we could also bring up the fact that they applied cc's balancing to frontline without even considering frontline then hastily slapped some giant passive mit on melee and called it a day pretty much which leads to the current situation of high-damage melee jobs having extreme amounts of health on top of the shields/heals they already have built in, meaning you need an entire alliance coordinating to kill individual people just because of that
sullen mist
They don't care about frontline
torpid pewter
and god help you if you're trying to kill a nin or a mnk
sullen mist
Nor should they besides pld cheese maybe
You really want competitive game mode mixed with alliance chat with a daily exp roulette bonus?
I enjoy frontlines solely because there are no consequences
I had a game of frontlines where the difference between 1st and 3rd was 4 points
Imagine being the person who died and gave up 5 points
If that was a rank up match for 12 of your 24 teammates
torpid pewter
alright, let me paint a picture for you, three teams, one about to win, you're on the last place team on the ovoo map or w/e, someone orders you to suicidally charge into first-place team since you'll lose either way, what do you think happens?
sullen mist
I mean my team did that last night except we were 2nd
sullen mist
The 3rd place team also bumrushed their spawn
We won
Tbf 3rd place was only 80 points behind
But you get some good frontlines matches where people understand the dynamivs
And then you get some where people want exp and hide on safe objectives to afk and move once a minute
torpid pewter
we somehow won that in spite of everything, they had multiple bh5 people, they were camping an ovoo, everything, and they just weren't expecting us to come at them like that, it disorganized them long enough for us to regain a foothold and we started taking ovoos for ourselves instead, and suddenly, just like that, we won
sullen mist
Heck we won an onsal before by getting a s rank that we had no business getting (no pld, 3 teams contesting)
torpid pewter
no pld cheese, nothing
sullen mist
Pretty much the entire team yeeted themselves into the other squad while one healer capped
Did we die, yes
Did we cap, also yes
Then our entire team respawned and rushed an a rank while the others were still fighting over the S we owned
torpid pewter
i guess what i'm trying to say is, even if it's frustrating or w/e, even if you're on the brink of losing, just don't give up, that's probably the best bit of advice i can give anyone in these modes regardless of how annoyed i might sound like 90% of the time d:
sullen mist
Specific balance tuning doesn't fit frontlines
Because you can switch anytime
Only pld cheese, the rest I don't care about
sullen mist
Enemy ninja gets away from a 5 man gank at 50%
Well
Maybe if one of yall was a ninja
torpid pewter
i played drk in a frontline match even though i usually play backline jobs like blm and it was actually fun for the most part, especially when we started chaining kills and i kept getting more heals off of it
sullen mist
Frontlines is cool when fun stuff happens and when it doesn't it's nothing really to be annoyed abiut
Since you lose nothing
And still get exp and wolf marks
When your team on seal rock decides they want to fight both enemy teams, just do whatever. It'll be over soon
torpid pewter
when does that garo event end anyway? probably not until 7.0 at least right?
sullen mist
When your team on onsal pulls an insane 24 man stealth mission to actually backstab the enemy team literally from behind as they fight over the a rank ovoo that's the farthest away from your spawn
Real shit
That brick shitting moment when they shield reflexively then but your whole team is here so who cares
torpid pewter
When your team on onsal pulls an insane 24 man stealth mission to actually backs...
putting phoenix on an ovoo when there's no pld around is funny because it attacks based on proximity so it'll always hit the one trying to cap
sullen mist
Or when the two other teams on borderland ruins only wanna fight each other
torpid pewter
even if it does like, no damage because smn has no damage in pvp
sullen mist
So rather than bounce between 2 allagan ruins pointlessly
Your entire squad mounts up and crashes the party
torpid pewter
dududududu dudududuuuuu
hearing that every 5 seconds on borderland ruins is kinda funny
sullen mist
Or when you successfully ramp camp a squad on borderlands and the drk suicide solos their ramp so long that they get to the top and you killed off all their drones
So half their team decides to leave and the other half tunnel visions the fight and you mop them up
torpid pewter
i remember pulling a nin off of the ledge when they were trying to spam ranged attacks with blota
sullen mist
None of that is balance dependent even if I think there's some tuning needed
You know you have a good team when they know how to properly overrun a position
The average team all dismounts right in range to start fighting
The good team realizes you have the local advantage and some stay mounted to run down the enemies when they try to retreat
Plus there's a psychological aspect to seeing someone just ignore you and stay mounted that implies even more people are coming
It freezes their decision making
torpid pewter
bright pink lala drk riding a unicorn is top-tier fear factor
sullen mist
So many times you can turn a small advantage like a 10v7 into a 5-0 kill rout by riding behind them and dismounting
Some will run and others will assume they're dead and stand their ground which ironically gets them killed
Because they could probably have disengaged
torpid pewter
oof
sullen mist
I'm the first to admit frontlines is pretty stupid but it's also pretty fun
If it were more competitive it probably becomes less fun
torpid pewter
honestly pvp drk in frontline is stupidly fun because you can just go completely berserk and chain kill with plunge, it feels more like a dps than a tank
the scariest part is i think the 20% heal after a kill actually scales with bh so it gets even stronger the more things you murder
sullen mist
I unironically enjoyed pre damage reduction frontlines
I mean, so did I but sch/smn/whm comps were just legitimate overpowered
I had a 11 sch game once where we simultaneously fought off both teams trying to pin us in base to keep us off the objective
CottonC was on one of the other teams and they actually re specced into mass scholar to try and catch up but we had too much of a lead
We legitimately rode up to the top of borderlands at the start, casually wiped one team then wiped the other and took all the drones
Such is the power of 33k damage per dot tick
torpid pewter
try that now and it'd probably still work, just not anywhere near as well
that, and you'd get killed by me since i always blindly focus scholars on sight
sullen mist
I mean now 11 boosted biolysis would do like 15k
That's actually survivable
And thats assuming you got hit by 11
west bridge
yea sch/smn/whm stacks were pretty cancerous
sullen mist
And that's the thing. We were up against smn/whm stacks in both alliances
The difference is you can back off a smn push
At that point backing off a mass scholar push was pointless
They just chased and reapplied dot
You were either out of range or you died
torpid pewter
like idk why but seeing a sch doing anything just makes me want to do everything in my power to kill them immediately even if they're not the most immediate threat otherwise, might be because of those times, idk
west bridge
I just want to go back to 1 shotting half an alliance as drg again
sullen mist
Schs never appear in enough numbers to be a threat like that now
Even if you had a 4stack sch with voice
They can swing a fight but they won't outright win it
Whereas a coordinated 4stack of whm/sch/smn pre nerf was literally "see this teamfight? It's a choke point. And ... we win."
pseudo hamlet
The changes instead make melees way too tanky and threatening even solo
And in a a 72 man setting melee lbs are some of the most unfun to play against
An actual problem with frontlines is the fact there’s no aoe rotation
sullen mist
Don't even bother with melee
You can't win a small skirmish as ranged vs melee
Just ignore them and head for your group
pseudo hamlet
Yea playing ranged feels awful
sullen mist
Yep as a sch player I feel justified in complaining that broil doesn't do shit to a melee
But biolysis is still perfectly fine
You need to not hit the tank that's pushing your team
And select target one of the ranged behind them
And spread off them
If a sch can't do that then they don't deserve the big dmg numbers
viral walrus
are there any detailed 1v1 matchup guides as a dragoon ?
sullen mist
For like... duels?
viral walrus
For like... duels?
yea
sullen mist
Uh, to be honest no one duels in this game enough for there to be a guide
viral walrus
Uh, to be honest no one duels in this game enough for there to be a guide
what about 5v5 dragoon guide ?
subtle hornet
I had a 11 sch game once where we simultaneously fought off both teams trying to...
Pain
amber escarp
what about 5v5 dragoon guide ?
Don't use geirskogul if you are about to be focused or take heavy damage
torpid pewter
does geir buff drg's lb as well?
west bridge
does geir buff drg's lb as well?
It should yes
subtle hornet
Send tips to rank up
pseudo hamlet
Get good at WHM
viral walrus
what targets should i prioritise as dragoon in 5v5 ?
patent gazelle
whoever has lowest hp+mp+not in guard
pseudo hamlet
^
amber escarp
Whoever is at maximum range and standing next to somebody else
If the rest does not apply
patent gazelle
Drgs main strength over other melees is also the immense aoe pressure they can output
Make sure to cleave as much as you can if people want to group up in the crystal
torpid pewter
in that regard, drg and drk work together wonderfully since they both have the same overall gameplan anyway, blast as many people as possible with their aoe spam
amber escarp
Also, drgs need to be wary of monks and mchs
You have geir active, and if they have their lbs and aren't screamed, you're dead
patent gazelle
War drg dnc
last ruin
Any tips for drk knight pvp?
torpid pewter
tbn someone if they're getting hit a lot, you can get a free shadowbringer/bloodspiller use that way and stop a bit of the incoming damage for them
also kill the scholar
pseudo hamlet
DRG LB is one of the easiest to work with
gleaming oxide
For anyone who does pvp as gnb what junction is best?
My guess is just use tank junction the entire time
gleaming oxide
Or apparently i can just use the dps junction and do more damage than anyone else lol
And somehow manage to get full commendations
I'll just treat gunbreaker like the dps it truely is
patent gazelle
dps junction most of the time, tank junction sometimes, healer never.
pseudo hamlet
One thing all WHM players need to learn is not getting thirsty popping lb
Had a game where I kept getting killed and didn’t had to sit on my lb all game
But the time I popped it
It completely turned the game around and won us the game 
Sages are the job I play worst against…
I need some tips
I just hit them and realize I emptied a burst and did 0 damage while having no clue what they used to prevent it…
lapis mauve
How do you beat a GREAT dancer in a 1v1
I'm talking top 20 at some point this dude has his stuff optimized to the bones
Legit feels like i use my 10k mp 15 seconds into the duel
sterile ibex
from my knowledge of dnc 1v1
guard honing dance and mit early
lapis mauve
from my knowledge of dnc 1v1
guard honing dance and mit early
I blocked every frame of that spinning move right
And they just wear you out with the dashed buffed regular combos
it's crazy
sterile ibex
well
it's mu dependent but if you can run away reliably with a dash from honing
do it
if you cant then guard
sacred quail
Matchmaking is so fked right now. Group with bronze lose. Group with plat win. Stuck in gold forever. Gg
patent gazelle
like how to play against them?
pseudo hamlet
Yes
It’s incredible how much of a better player I am in the other 2maps vs volcano
My WHM gameplan just gets fucked by all the shot in the way
torpid pewter
frontline draws are funny
patent gazelle
biggest thing to look out for is when SGE dashes into you and also SGE lb
if you can kill a SGE while being in their LB, then its always guaranteed a win for your side
as WHM if you have a bunch of teammates inside the SGE LB and can focus the SGE down you should miracle them asap
though you wanna do damage to the SGE be sure you're inside the LB too
if not just tell your team to back off and just wait it out
the lb is too strong
crude path
hate when I drag people out of position
and my team just stares at them
man, this MCH is off side and just stuck
better keep going
gleaming oxide
I feel like gunbreaker is way more of a dps than a tank in cc
patent gazelle
it is.
gleaming oxide
Yea was treating it like a tank for the first few games. Went pretty not good
torpid pewter
drk is just a dps
pseudo hamlet
biggest thing to look out for is when SGE dashes into you and also SGE lb
Panhaima is a big sign to not attack right?
Isn’t it a crazy shield?
patent gazelle
just keep attacking anyways
pseudo hamlet
Gotcha
patent gazelle
burn them shields
compact panther
Are my season 1 pvp rewards legitimately just fucking gone because I unsubbed for a bit and didn't log in to claim them?
I busted my ass that season. I will legit never touch this shit again if that's the case.
pseudo hamlet
Ranked rewards? Or series?
patent gazelle
Are my season 1 pvp rewards legitimately just fucking gone because I unsubbed fo...
yes. its gone if you didnt claim them
compact panther
I'm opening a mod ticket to see if they can help, otherwise that's just ridiculous. No other pvp game works like that lol
pseudo hamlet
Doubt it will do anything
Are you trying to get your ranked reward? @compact panther
sacred quail
Are my season 1 pvp rewards legitimately just fucking gone because I unsubbed fo...
Maybe. I think you had to claim them before season 3
pseudo hamlet
I thought your pvp profile had a previous season tab if you didn’t claim your stuff
patent gazelle
past season only
compact panther
Are you trying to get your ranked reward? <@189124412417507328>
Yeah I played to Crystal and I want the frame I worked for. It makes no sense that they couldn't just mail me the token for it or just apply it to my account.
pseudo hamlet
Uh?
I’m pretty sure you automatically just get the achievement
The only thing claiming should do is give you trophy crystals?
winter canopy
No you had to claim them both from the npc
I remember because I didn't get anything until I went there and it gave me both
sacred quail
Ya season 1 wasn't automatic, even the title I think I got from the npc
pseudo hamlet
Oh for season 1
gleaming oxide
Every time i engage in cc and get turned into a piggy a little part of my soul crumbles to dust
pseudo hamlet
I’m sorry 
amber escarp
No you're not