Yeah I'd like to express my appreciation, and my apologies because I know this isnt easy.
#discord-feedback
waxen hatch
daring pumice
oof, just got one of that DM lol
ornate pelican
I believe I got them all
If I didn’t please let me know the name
So I can do another pass
mental sierra
I got one recently
ornate pelican
Yes Kupo just finished banning 1000ish
zinc gate
Just got this just now 👀 Only just noticed there was issues with bot raids etc
ornate pelican
!msearch Intangible Cannibal
ornate pelican
!slowmode 0
ancient galeBOT
daring pumice
I don't know if you banned "Discord Exam Moderator" already
but I have its ID copied just in case
ornate pelican
!msearch Moderator
ancient galeBOT
No matches found.
ornate pelican
Looks like that one is taken care of
fast briar
Just a heads up all, got a Scam bot that DMed me using this server as a mutual server to do so. Claiming something about moderation program, please be careful and don't click any suspisious links!
shadow needle
Just got one from a D𝗂scord Staff#0474 as well
ornate pelican
!msearch D𝗂scord Staff
ancient galeBOT
No matches found.
solar root
got one from Academy Moderator#3580
idle trellis
I just received a spam message, looks like it’s from D𝗂scord Academy Moderator#6790
pearl halo
i got a DM just now from this one
D𝗂scord Moderator#4072
941423396724568144
untold sequoia
!minfo 94142339672456814
ancient galeBOT
!minfo 94142339672456814
lean marten
D𝗂scord Staff#4071 just DM me. aint falling for that
untold sequoia
They've already been banned
pearl halo
sweet
zinc jay
they're all banned it seems.
strange kiln
I received this a few minutes ago, from Harlocke, ID 950873506516709417. Not sure if they've been banned yet or not
shadow needle
Thanks mods/admins ❤️
violet karma
I got it moments ago
untold sequoia
Hi, please if you're reporting a bot, grab their ID number
ancient galeBOT
Ban Issued for Frixxyy#0379
raven glade
Academy Moderator 941408236286926881
dusk quarry
hallow yacht
They keep changing their ID names huh...
Y'all try to get the discord ID, because the ID tag keeps changing
ornate pelican
!msearch Moderator
ancient galeBOT
No matches found.
raven glade
well they were that idk if they got banned already hmmm
ornate pelican
All of the ones with Discord, Moderator, and Academy in the name should already be banned
snow carbon
one isnt
violet karma
snow carbon
ah i had another haha
ornate pelican
!minfo Academy Moderator#3580
ancient galeBOT
ornate pelican
What’s their ID
raven glade
941408236286926881 i hade the same one
ornate pelican
!minfo 941408236286926881
ancient galeBOT
GloBoyBallout#3922
raven glade
globoyballout...
shadow needle
This is the Discord Staff ID 941407174238810113
hallow yacht
account made on february 10... do these guys keep em on storage?
versed mauve
they are hacked users
ornate pelican
!minfo 941407174238810113
strange kiln
I received this a few minutes ago, from Harlocke, ID 950873506516709417. Not sur...
Updated with ID 950873506516709417
elfin gorge
Says this one is still in here in shared servers.
ID: 941420772788932648
ornate pelican
!minfo 941420772788932648
They seem to already be taken care of
!msearch Moderator
dusk quarry
Guys enable developer mode in settings, then you can copy account ID
dusk quarry
Like so
strange kiln
You can also open Discord in a browser and copy the number at the end of the URL for their ID
daring pumice
I'll pop in the ID of D𝗂scord Exam Moderator#7278, just in casies
bc it also shows that it's still in server so I dunno if it's just Discord being slow on updating data
ID: 941405067666395156
dusk quarry
I didn't know that one. You learn everyday
empty thorn
Got some spam from D𝗂scord Academy Moderator#6388
941395078784614441
raven glade
RIP kupo
ornate pelican
!superban Moderator
ancient galeBOT
ancient galeBOT
!superban Moderator
ancient galeBOT
!superban Moderator
strange kiln
Sorry, don't wanna spam, but not sure if this user has been banned yet or not. ID is: 950873506516709417
ornate pelican
!superban D𝗂scord
ancient galeBOT
ancient galeBOT
!superban D𝗂scord
ancient galeBOT
!superban D𝗂scord
neat sparrow
jfc
smoky stirrup
Got a spam message from 941419935224189009
Sorry for taking so long to get the ID thing sorted out. Should I screencap the whole message?
velvet viper
Same here i block them everytime , they just use another profile with the same message .They always come from this server here
waxen root
While this is happening you should definitely just turn off Direct Messages from anyone in this server. Keeps your Discord Messages from being cluttered further, at least.
dull owl
torpid nymph
id number: 941413948626964480
account: Academy Moderator#9052
rocky stump
They have been banned.
blazing wasp
ornate pelican
Thanks banned. I
It also helps if you include ID without text to make it easier to copy on mobile
pearl halo
Any update on the return of voice channels?
hoary garden
I would put a vote in for "hopefully never" because they seem like an absolute logistical nightmare to moderate with any sense of efficacy, especially considering the breadth of the community.
zinc jay
Also it just kind of breeds toxicity because of how hard it is to moderate
Also re: moderation something that I've been increasingly concerned about is the lack of care expressed by some moderators for the role they're meant to have. I've seen several instances where something actionable has occurred in a channel that a moderator is actively talking in and they don't do anything and want to "leave it to someone else" to deal with. Also had an instance earlier today where I mentioned all mods with two being active in another channel and they just seemingly didn't check on it.
I understand that moderators are people too, but unless there is some specific procedure they have to go through to warn or mute someone active in the same channel that they are I don't really understand that sort of response.
I've also seen some instances where people may have gotten off a bit easy. Things like transphobia or racism should, imo, warrant a bit longer of a punishment than just a 1 hour mute and a warning, which is basically just a slap on the wrist.
I'm not advocating for moderators to be totalitarian or authoritarian but I just feel like the moderators could step up a bit and be more proactive in giving out appropriate punishments.
This includes channels like #questions-and-help , where I often end up seeing people there with the intend of answering questions arguing with other people over their (correct) answers.
cosmic drift
We were discussing internally at xx:57, the ping came at xx:52
Refia stepped in at xx:03
10 minute lead time isn't the worst I've seen, but could be better
But definitely not just didn't check, I think.
zinc jay
two mods were active in #general-discussion at the time that i pinged and hadn't stepped in, to at least defuse
cosmic drift
I don't expect my mods to have 100% uptime; they're (ideally) server members that also come here to hang out and chat just like everyone else. I'm pretty satisfied with the overall performance of the two mods you're referring to.
I do apologize that the situation didn't get handled faster, though. I'll bring this up later on internally.
untold sequoia
It can also take time to get caught up on a conversation when we're brought in, especially when the channel is pretty active at the time
zinc jay
i mean. in that instance I pinged mods basically right after actionable behavior occurred.
untold sequoia
Discord on mobile also has the habit of being quite buggy and just not sending notifications, like Discord didn't even send a notification for your ping, only Shiba's
We have to go back and read context
zinc jay
i mean. at the least even then you could maybe just. say something as an indicator that you're there? at the least that does help to defuse
untold sequoia
It looked like it was already defused by the time the ping went out
zinc jay
by the time i pinged it wasn't
anyways
in regards to the other situation i mentioned i found the link to that as well
untold sequoia
Can you share the link?
neat sparrow
Honestly, I'll like a little bit more moderation in memes channel. There seems to be a lot of trans/homophobia in there and politics etc. Like I'll report what I can see but there tends to be things falling through the cracks here and there.
zinc jay
in regards to that, i kind of agree in the respect that it feels karen-y to need to make modmails reporting a lot of stuff
neat sparrow
I don't mind doing it, but I feel like I shouldn't have to
untold sequoia
In response to Refia passing it off to another mod, she had pinged the team in private and caught us up on the situation, the truth is sometimes we just blank on what to do or aren't the right mind space to handle it at that moment, as long as the team is made aware, its perfectly fine
untold sequoia
Refia did say she was passing it off to another mod
cosmic drift
It is okay for mods to baton-pass in situations they're unsure of - in fact, it's encouraged, especially with our less-tenured recruits
fresh cedar
It's pretty standard behaviour tbh
And she did say the user had history, so someone who actually dealt with the user before would've been more fit for the situation
cosmic drift
I've also seen some instances where people may have gotten off a bit easy. Thing...
Our mods typically do give appropriate discipline. In cases where that doesn't happen, I correct it as soon as I can.
This specific case wasn't transphobic (which is immediately bannable) - it was just personal disrespect.
Mutes are slaps on the wrist, warns stick around for a while and typically disqualify those folks from various opportunities, events, and so on
simple vine
In response to Refia passing it off to another mod, she had pinged the team in p...
This sounds really reasonable but couldn’t mods have said something along those lines? ‘I’ll let someone else deal with it’ or something to that gist sounds irresponsible when you’re in reality discussing it behind the scenes. ‘This matter is being discussed and pending result, in the meantime please endeavour to move on to a seperate subject’ idk I don’t speak mod, would come across a lot more competent
Clearly we’ve misconstrued the work the mods have been doing for this reason
untold sequoia
Refia did mention a few minutes later that she was waiting on more mod responses before taking action
wheat shuttle
No offense, but it’s not hard to mute someone being a clear problem until an agreement of actions that will be taken happens with the modteam; on the inside I’m sure the team is actually analyzing pings and mails they get regarding issues, but that isn’t always visible or apparent.
Muting someone who’s clearly part of the problem until a decision can be reached, is a good way of maintaining the peace WHILE affording y’all the needed time to do what you need to do internally.
Just my two cents is all
untold sequoia
Yeah, they probably could have been muted immediately, that is true
The difficulty came from the user already been on fairly thin ice, and a more serious punishment needing to be handed out, which lead to the hesitation
zinc jay
No offense, but it’s not hard to mute someone being a clear problem until an agr...
and then like..... after the situation has been discussed and read if someone is found to not be at fault they could be unmuted
simple vine
I’d be on board w that
untold sequoia
We generally do unmute people who we find not at fault, if there was a situation where we didn't, let us know
crude wagon
No offense, but it’s not hard to mute someone being a clear problem until an agr...
I think voison did do that one time in #rants about some problematic user and I found it to be one of the best handled mod actions I’ve seen, if I were to suggest anything it would be something akin to taking temporary measures against one user that is known being problematic until everything is decided and settled
thorny lantern
I did not handle or look at that case because I was fighting a boss in Elden Ring, but when I handle cases like these, reading context usually takes some time, but I can say more often that I am indeed reading back instead of silently doing it.
plain arch
https://discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/100463940835762176/9446353553851...
Uh, I'd give this one a pass anyways, as it comes off an ultimately very brief event that happened months beforehand which I personally recalled, and my own word is notoriously questionable due to being.. not unreliable, but definitely creates some double-takes.
Context needs to be taken into account, and in this case having another mod pitch into it was definitely the right move. Swinging the hammer wildly at slights is generally frowned upon.
zinc jay
it was disruptive to the channel and just insult and name flinging.
plain arch
That event was neither insulting nor name-flinging, and was instead rather disturbing. And the person in question had a history that had already been purged as a result of a previous ban.
Discussion needed to happen. Not everyone would've been able to identify that.
zinc jay
not really. it's not hard to identify.
simple vine
We’ve already kind of been over the misunderstandings it made and what could probably done to reduce the impression
simple vine
No offense, but it’s not hard to mute someone being a clear problem until an agr...
I mean ^
zinc jay
regardless the point was a lack of communication that the mods were aware
simple vine
We’ve all expressed that it’s even good that discussion is had
It’s a matter of maybe finding a way for both the mods to have time to discuss and for the situation to be descelated beforehand or something
zinc jay
not sure why you're specifically going to that when people involved were warned and muted, anyways
simple vine
Having mods who execute first is bad for everyone but communicating that something is seen and mitigating the issue instantly with a babyjail could be cool lmao
plain arch
When dealing with things related to potential ban evasion, you can't really just blindly fire. That's why they go to it. Again. If the people in question hadn't witnessed the previous event, they wouldn't have been able to identify the exact parallels.
simple vine
No offense, but it’s not hard to mute someone being a clear problem until an agr...
Again
No one is saying that mod discussion is a bad thing
plain arch
They also weren't breaking any rules per se.
zinc jay
When dealing with things related to potential ban evasion, you can't really just...
ban evasion?
plain arch
Yes? Which was the secondary problem at hand.
I was there, I identified it, I called it out.
Hell if we're talking time of day it was total opposites there, too..
simple vine
To be blunt here this discussion has already been had with mods and it seemed like it came to a mutual agreement
plain arch
Indeed. My point was, slap-first-deal-later isn't always feasible.
untold sequoia
Having mods who execute first is bad for everyone but communicating that somethi...
I'm mildly confused because in both instances a mod mentioned that it was seen and being looked at
And to your second point we've taken that into consideration
zinc jay
I'm mildly confused because in both instances a mod mentioned that it was seen a...
didn't super come across as that to me, honestly, was the point
simple vine
It’s more that the problem people are left on free reign even if moderators are addressing it, going back to Poppo’s point
zinc jay
^
simple vine
more often than not it results in something worse happening and then the mods can clearly see the issue
zinc jay
like. while mods are discussing an issue it can escalate
simple vine
And then we get an instant reaction
we should really see a mute less as a punishment but also as a temporary measure like Poppo suggested
Frankly if people have issue with the mute for moderator discussion’s sake then there was likely a problem with them already
zinc jay
or if it is used as a punishment it should be longer than an hour
like, pick a random number from 2-12 hours or something lmao
untold sequoia
An hour mute is the standard punishment because it lets people cool off and usually see where they went wrong
plain arch
And if not that, then at least the conversation is usually long past anyways, by the time it wears off.
untold sequoia
In most cases, an hour is all thats needed
But Doom is right that a slap first, ask questions later approach isn't always the right call
In this particular situation, it would have helped
simple vine
Nonetheless seeing someone continue to cause ruckus even if the moderators have said they’re addressing it is disappointing. Clearly moderators are human and discussion leads to the best call but…
untold sequoia
But context matters
simple vine
For sure
simple vine
No offense, but it’s not hard to mute someone being a clear problem until an agr...
At the end of the day I’m just swearing by this, shrug
plain arch
It rarely is. Most of the time when people use that they wind up very unpopular among the userbase and it gets VERY out of hand very easily. Speaking from personal experience.
There's also the question of if it's worth a mute. If it's just two people being dickheads to one another directly then imo? Channel isn't unusable. It's a distraction. Hell I find it popcorn inducing 
untold sequoia
Man I really hope you guys are turning pings off for all those replies 
plain arch
Now if it's one or two people causing an absolute shitstorm, then yes, slap first.
simple vine
? Don’t see how that’s relevant here but yes, I am
plain arch
But giant shitstorms are rare.
untold sequoia
I think Doom's point is that rarely is a situation serious enough to require immediate intervention?
plain arch
To the point of forcing people to shut up and await verdicts, yeah.
pearl halo
Sometimes trying to get people to shut up escalates things. That’s something you have to keep in mind, especially with large groups such as this
simple vine
Either way it’ll be trusting moderator judgement
surreal shuttle
I feel like it’s important to remember that moderation requires some level of nuance. We do have a baseline we follow for offenses but how we respond (and how fast we respond) is going to vary from situation to situation
There is no catch-all moderation solution to every incident
A lot of times we spend time discussing the action before we take it
plain arch
There's also the mod in question handling the situation; Some of them are all to happy to slam the hammer right fast, some don't like doing that right outta the gate.
surreal shuttle
99% of moderation actions are the result of more than one moderator deliberating what to do even if just one person pulls the trigger
pearl halo
I would put a vote in for "hopefully never" because they seem like an absolute l...
Yes, but that also is quite an abilist approach to take. I have vision issues and its not the best to try and screen read discord. voice chat was a great way to ask quesions
untold sequoia
We want to make sure that if VC comes back, it'll be a safe and welcoming place for everyone
plain arch
Er..
.. most of the time I waltzed into vc it.. usually wasn't the kind of place I'd want to be asking questions, idk man.. it's super casual and not always in a good way.
Offensive? Not really, but this is a public discord..
untold sequoia
And we're trying to come up with ways to deal with the logistical issues that come from that
We'll let you know when we have a plan
simple vine
Guess moderators will always have to face a choice between a want for time to elaborate on the problem and dealing directly before the situation gets worse. Again that’s going to be up to you guys and context, but it would be cool to see it in place more for when it would be helpful. Thanks for humoring my discussion lmao
plain arch
Imo we'd need to see the extended impact of 6.1 before any decisions in regard to VC are made. I'm still seeing a large revolving door in the main #general-discussion of new people popping in and disappearing a week later even long after 5.3/5.4
pearl halo
I dont think it's a realstic ask to respond directly to every report, or to publically discuss it since that can cause backlash. Probably best to trust the system unless you see something legitimately wrong with it to report
plain arch
Which is when the game really started to spike in playercount
It's not as bad as those days (or god forbid EW launch) but it's still rather unpredictable
pearl halo
We want to make sure that if VC comes back, it'll be a safe and welcoming place ...
I don't disagree that there have been issues with toxicity, I'm just saying not having voice chat is alienating some subset of the community. I understand the need for moderation, but also keep in mind not everyone in the community is same or similarly abled to keep up with text chat.
hoary garden
Yes, but that also is quite an abilist approach to take. I have vision issues an...
Ablism has nothing to do with it. The issue is that, due to the dynamic and unrecordable nature of voice chat, the only functional way to make sure someone is around to deal with things like harassment, targeting, and what the internet now likes to call "gamer moments", is to have at least one dedicated moderator per voice chat channel constantly in-call and specifically doing nothing but monitoring the discussions taking place.
pearl halo
We'll let you know when we have a plan
Thank you for at least considering my feedback
hoary garden
And at that point, when you start needing actual shifts of people for dedicated time slots, it becomes a job.
plain arch
The mod team is already built around different timezones as is, anyways.
untold sequoia
I understand that it is unfair to a subset of the community who primarily uses VC to interact with the community, unfortunately we simply lack the resources to moderate it at this time
But it hasn't been forgotten by the mod team, I can promise you that
hoary garden
And although it may be unfair that a text-based system is less accessible to people with vision-issues, it is also unfair to people who are, for example, minorities or non-cis gender/sexual orientations to have no recourse if and when they are targeted for their mere existence.
And it is not fair to the moderator team to have to choose who and what to believe when there are no ways to functionally record the voice chat to find out what actually happened.
There is no perfect solution, unfortunately.
zinc jay
^^^
personally think it's just not feasible at all to have vcs on such a big server without either being totalitarian about it or entirely hands off
neither of which is good
if you want to vc with friends just make a group chat or private server
as someone who's been in a lot of large public servers like this one vcs are just cesspools for toxicity and bigotry and it's healthier to not have them
untold sequoia
Hopefully we can come up with a solution where everyone is happy
hoary garden
I would be very interested in seeing it. But as it stands, I will continue to strongly recommend against it, if only for the sanity of everyone involved.
zinc jay
Same as me.
ornate pelican
Hate speech on voice chat was occurring daily.
This is the primary factor in why we have not opened it again.
zinc jay
and i'm glad you haven't. though there's a lot of shitheads still that trickle in there's definitely fewer now that vc is closed.
ornate pelican
Chances are if we open it again it will be very restricted in some way and also require a special opt in role which waives your right to be protected from being recorded.
I’ve debated short term opening it to server boosters but I don’t think there’s enough demand for something THAT restrictive.
zinc jay
that seems.... like quite the amount of hassle for something that most people don't really even use anyways
ornate pelican
But I doubt someone would go and spend $10 on nitro to get themselves banned for hate speech so it’s an option
zinc jay
haha
ornate pelican
that seems.... like quite the amount of hassle for something that most people do...
The hassle in implementing a system that may not even work has been the primarily reason nothing has been done
zinc jay
But I doubt someone would go and spend $10 on nitro to get themselves banned for...
you'd be surprised. seen plenty of people who pay $50+ to artists a month get banned for saying hateful stuff
zinc jay
The hassle in implementing a system that may not even work has been the primaril...
yeah i understand. definitely not complaining. i don't think you should open yourself up to potential legal troubles just for a pretty small minority of users like that. when most of them have seemingly moved to their own priv servers anyways
fringe aurora
Easy solution would be to not bother and keep it closed, just seems like a nightmare to moderate otherwise
tropic junco
Easy solution would be to not bother and keep it closed, just seems like a night...
Yeah, I agree. The server is so large, already I'm sure it's already tough as is to moderate and adding something else to moderate like that would be a nightmare
At least with text, I think servers keep a history that you can look through. Not sure if that also applies to voice, but I don't think it does. So much can be said on voice that it's tough to keep a record of, and even recordings aren't always reliable.
tropic junco
The hassle in implementing a system that may not even work has been the primaril...
I know this isn't related to the voice channel issue, but have you guys thought about having an auto-moderator bot on your server for when mods or admins are offline? Just like a bot that keeps an eye on trigger words and phrases? I don't know if you guys have one already or not.
zinc jay
There are consent laws when it comes to recording people.
zinc jay
I know this isn't related to the voice channel issue, but have you guys thought ...
They have one. Kupo auto mutes based on certain terms.
tropic junco
There are consent laws when it comes to recording people.
Right, which is probably why it's good they have voice channels turned off
surreal shuttle
We’ve mentioned this before but for clarity we can repeat it: Discord is beholden to California law regardless of where you personally are accessing discord. So California law does not take kindly to recording without consent
As Eanae said, one of the options on the table is an opt-in VC that would let you pick a role that would essentially equate to you consenting to be recorded
tropic junco
As Eanae said, one of the options on the table is an opt-in VC that would let yo...
I dunno if that would be a good idea. Does the server keep a history of who picks what roles? If it does I could see that working, but if it doesn't then if there were a legal dispute if you recorded something they said without proof of their consent I think that would end badly
Also the other thing, if they can choose to opt in for being recorded, can they opt out as well?
I suppose opting out would mean they don't select the role they won't get access to the voice channels so that would work
surreal shuttle
For this concept, opting out would be not getting the role and not vcing yes
tropic junco
I think the other thing also, is if the server does keep a history of who picks those roles, does the server automatically delete that history after a period of time? In that case that would mean someone would have manually log that history somewhere so it doesn't get lost.
I think the role consent thing is a good idea, but like Eanae said that is a huge hassle to do all of that
half vigil
By far one of the biggest hurdles for that in particular is there's no way to ensure people will read the policy, be it kupobot dming them on role selection, in our rules, or however else. People already currently fail to read all of the rules or check our nono word list and then proceed to be upset when they get muted so it can't be hard to imagine how much more difficulty it'll be for voice and recording.
modest ruin
The mod team also doesn't have the best history with communication so if they go that way it's basically guaranteed it will be communicated in a way everyone cant understand which could lead to legal disputes
ornate pelican
I know this isn't related to the voice channel issue, but have you guys thought ...
Kupo already automates moderation in text. There is also hidden backup bots to protect the server.
Voice is entirely a different beast.
Keep in mind telling users to “suck it up we cannot moderate it” if they get harassed is not a valid excuse in the eyes of Discord, rightfully so.
So because we know we cannot effectively do it, as we tried for a long time to make it work, we’ve instead chosen to leave it closed.
tropic junco
So because we know we cannot effectively do it, as we tried for a long time to m...
Which is understandable. Keeps you guys safe and others safe in the eyes of the law and that's more important than people getting to chat in voice on a server. I think even though voice is turned off for the server they still can voicechat privately with people they've friended, so it's not a total loss. It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing.
ornate pelican
And again, If we bring it back it will likely have major restrictions on who can join it
tawdry parrot
Why not just avoid the headache overall and not reintroduce it?
hoary garden
we are just going in absolute circles about this lol
tawdry parrot
Yeah.
misty kernel
I really just don't understand why some people can't just make separate group chats and discords for VC. Since its so difficult to moderate here
plain arch
Because most people who sit in VC don't remember who they were talking to for longer than like five minutes after they jump out of the call.
And more often than not they likely won't talk to them again after. An
And unlike other channels there isn't a history of who joined and left, at least, not a visible one
plain arch
The thing is, talking with regulars in standard chat channels is pretty easy as reading and comprehension does mentally take more work than listening, so names stick out more, and regulars are more easily identified.
I'm not explaining the science behind it further than that but the long story short is 'they literally don't know'
zinc jay
That’s unrelated to what esty said.
hoary garden
We've also had the official staff response twice now, and we're all essentially in agreement, so ... shall we relenquish the channel to other feedback, perhaps?
plain arch
The idea is if it's difficult to moderate here just make your own discords and invite the people you usually talk with to them instead. I got the idea. Doesn't make the statement incorrect. But I digress, yes, dropping it.
tawdry parrot
P sure hate speech isn't constituted. But yikes.
pearl halo
There are other countries than the US and this server's policies aren't based on the constitution
Even if they are, it doesn't matter, this is the internet, we aren't bound by real world locations and their traditions
sage heath
pearl halo
Not the US lmao
zinc jay
discord is a private company so "freedom of speech" means fuckall
sage heath
It's very hard to do anything proactive about voice chat, and believe me we've tried to maintain a positive experience in there for people but it's not something a group of volunteers can just sit and try to police constantly with no tools. We decided to temporarily remove voice chat (if that's what this is still about) while figuring out how best to bring it back. We didn't have many issues with the voice chat channels for years until somewhat recently when we started receiving reports of harassment on a near-hourly basis some days, and while the server continues to grow it's just less of a headache for now to not have it.
pearl halo
I don't live anywhere
zinc jay
Personally I just hope more and more that it never comes back.
sage heath
When it comes to text chat we do have tools that enable us to be proactive about removing content that would cause harm to the server and its users, and while sometimes things slip through, like some of the bots in the recent bot-waves we've had, it's incredibly difficult to do any of that in voice chat.
This also isn't an issue with constitutional rights
tawdry parrot
But mah freedoms Fliegar.
safe mural
Your right to be in this Discord Server is not protected by law in any country, if you do not follow the rules you will be removed. Citing the first amendment is totally irrelevant.
zinc jay
Constitutional rights are meaningless in this private server on a service owned by a private company.
pearl halo
Freedom of speech doesn't make you free from consequences. So I don't care what level of patriotism you are on, we live in a realist world where people being mean can and will cause tragedies
zinc jay
you want vc? make a private server. or a group chat with friends.
sage heath
Freedom of Speech protects your speech from government entities, at least in the United States, but private businesses, organizations, and groups can exercise their right to dictate what they would consider acceptable for their own platform. If voice chat really is an issue and you would enjoy talking to others in that way, please feel free to invite them to a private voice chat or another server in the meantime.
gloomy grove
It's just not as easy to do it morally or efficiently due to the reports we were receiving. It will maybe come back when we have the tools to properly moderate it, but the constitution of the US doesn't really apply here since we are just a server for Final Fantasy XIV. If we want to close VC until we can properly manage it, we can.
Sorry for the inconvience
waxen root
You agreed to the discord TOS when you started using this application and we're not suppressing anyone
If you don't enjoy being here, you can leave and make your own. We're not controlling anyone.
pearl halo
But yes technically this is monarchy, the server owner dictates the rules
And I assume the mod team
zinc jay
Regardless. As a nonbinary person I feel far more comfortable in this server with VC locked. VC just attracts toxicity.
untold sequoia
The mod team has mad our stance clear on VC multiple times already
sage heath
Please be aware that Discord Partner servers are also held to different standards. Allowing harassment and abuse to continue unchecked could also get us in trouble. We're doing our best to keep it as inviting as possible and when and if we're able to bring back voice chat in a way that can make everyone happy, it's something that we will definitely look into.
untold sequoia
We won't be bringing it back until we can ensure it can be safe for everyone, end of discussion
pearl halo
And also I have been playing XIV for over half a year and I really never used VC here nor anywhere else specifically for gaming experience nor its absence ruined my gaming experience
half vigil
@pearl halo While we do appreciate your feedback, this channel isn't meant to be dedicated to long term discourse in regards to any given topic of feedback. Please feel free to submit a #discord-modmail if you would like a more direct line of contact to the moderators and administrators of this discord. It would be fine to do that instead of trying to draw up discussion that had to stop here a while ago.
zinc jay
don't tell me how i can and can't feel.
untold sequoia
I think we can consider this topic over
Don't continue it
!mute 520011577957810179 24h When you're told to drop a topic, don't get the last word in
ancient galeBOT
untold sequoia
We're greatful for everyone's feedback on VC, but the team has made our stance clear, we'll let you all know if there are any developments
ancient galeBOT
Ban Issued for Alskallday#7096
boreal cedar
Request:
Please add expansion-specific 'lore-spoilers' channels to the ffxiv category. Currently there are 'threads' attached to lore-spoilers and beginner-lounge that are expansion specific, but they are not intuitive as most people on discord don't utilize threads or know how to, channels are easier.
There was a discussion in #archived-lore-spoilers that said this might not be done due to 'channel bloat'. There are a number of channels going underutilized or not utilized much at all that could be trimmed if that were the case though. #716926528507740241, #trivia, all the 'NON-FFXIV' channels, and most of the voice channels are not utilized or not appropriate for the discord if thats the case. Multiple channels in 'Miscellaneous' are dedicated to fanart and fanart related things, and could be consolidated as well.
zinc jay
most of those channels serve specific purposes and are fine to exist. people are people and they do use the non-ffxiv channels, not having them would be a bit absurd for a discord server of this size.
there wouldn't be enough traffic to justify expansion specific channels as it's really an unnecessary split imo. threads work fine. and #archived-lore-spoilers barely gets enough traffic to justify having its own whole category.
hallow yacht
Im somewhat surprised that patch 6-0 is still standing, usually it goes away after 2 weeks
untold sequoia
Request:
Please add expansion-specific 'lore-spoilers' channels to the ffxiv ca...
Unfortunately there are just too many expansion specific channels to add under the FFXIV category, not only would it cause channel bloat, but it would cause category bloat as well
modest ruin
whoever is responsible for the recruitment sub, can you please look at the formatting here? With how it currently is i can't make out what the last 3 say. There's 3 drop down menus that come but i can only make out the company focus and group looking for and not whatever the 3rd one is
untold sequoia
You'd probably be better off opening a modmail on the subreddit
The submods don't really frequent this channel
modest ruin
not sure how to attached images to modmail which is why i posted here and the description of the channel says
untold sequoia
I meant the subreddit modmail
modest ruin
i know
thorny lantern
You can upload the images on an image hosting site like imgur and paste the link in your "Message the Mods" message.
deft sorrel
whoever is responsible for the recruitment sub, can you please look at the forma...
Looking into it now, something probably broke when the OCE server dropdown was added
final dome
whoever is responsible for the recruitment sub, can you please look at the forma...
Should be back to normal, let me know if anything still looks off
modest ruin
yea looks better now, thank you
zinc jay
Bit more of a feat to do I know, but maybe could use the new forums feature for the recruitment channels? divide it up into statics/fc recruitment/lfg or whatever
worthy thistle
these new discussion channels are cool c:
versed mauve
can we put this into an !faq bundle or something i hate having to look for it every time
whole abyss
With regards to the recent shift in level of moderation to #beginner-lounge pertaining to off topic discussions. I just want to give my opinion on this
While its great mods are stepping in on this. Off topics in small doses happen on a daily basis. And for people who hang out here daily its kind of inevitable. Its not like we ignore beginners asking questions. Nor do we plan for those discussions to happen. Sometimes it happens it the midst of a beginners questions which is somehow related
Although I do agree all the recent other games talk does go on for extended times and those need to shift.
Just my 2 cents. I've been here for more than half a year and its always been like that.
X-post requested by @thorny lantern
gray nexus
Yee I agree while I agree full blown discussion should be put elsewhere normal small off topic conversations tend to just happen its not avoidable neither do people want to go into a whole different channel for a few sentences or such
pearl halo
isnt that literally what the threads feature was made for
untold sequoia
The issue isn't with small does of off topic, its more to do with when the conversation goes on for too long and takes over the channel, while slipping into off topic conversations is fine, and important thing to remember is that #beginner-lounge is meant specifically for beginners to talk and get help, so we hold it to a higher standard than something like #general-discussion
left breach
i want vc back or at least a suggested server with vc from the mods
if ur going to keep it locked pls just make an announcement or delete them, im tired of continuously checking back in to see if theyre unlocked
untold sequoia
As we've said multiple times this week, there are difficulties involved with bringing back VC while ensuring its safe for everyone, we'll let everyone know when its back
In the meantime, you can make private calls with people
rich plinth
just say you arent bringing it back in #announcements
pearl halo
Just join one of the many ffxiv communities that are more focused on a particular activity. Those tend to have voice chat open
zinc jay
kupo seemed to have missed the moogle treasure trove again https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/98df305c476119064c8a52ff0f5ce8a888d4c879
left breach
i dont want to make private calls, i enjoy being social and joining vcs to meet new ppl
and mods have yet to make an announcement about the vc so like i said, one should be made because it seems to me they wont open
also if i knew of another server with an active ff community and vc i wouldnt be here, so im open to suggestions from whoever
surreal shuttle
We have made multiple public statements about what is going on about VC. In this channel. Our stance on the matter has been quite clear. We intend to reopen it eventually, but only if we find a way that will create a safer experience for all involved
modest ruin
Why not just post that in #announcements aswell? Not everyone pays attention to this
surreal shuttle
When we had VC unlocked, we were getting daily reports of racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry happening in VC that we could not moderate for
If VC were to reopen, it cannot be in this state.
left breach
what simping said ^^^ i didnt even think to look in here for updates bc this isnt the place for them, so like many of us have said, why dont u guys make an announcement
this channel can also easily get cluttered and mods havent pinned anything about their "public statements about vc" so...?
surreal shuttle
We have made multiple public statements about what is going on about VC. In this...
There you go.
We do not intend to make an announcement until we have more to share
modern jacinth
woven raptor
I got a question. Since the vc won't ever be opened again, can people start offering their own servers
left breach
^^^^
sage heath
It was never said that it won't be opened again, we just have no news to share as we don't currently have solutions to the issues we were presented with while voice chat was open. When we do, we will be sure to make an announcement about it. You're also free to DM / share discord servers with people with their consent, however as far as I'm aware we have no plans to turn into a springboard for other unrelated servers being posted constantly.
woven raptor
Understandable. Just making sure so I don't get banned for sharing lmao
worthy thistle
you'll need to find an alternative VC solution for now 
small servers should be able to avoid the problem that this one is currently managing
plain arch
Outsourcing the problem to other servers doesn't prevent the problem from occurring, and if the mods here are placing their trust in other places, if/when stuff goes down there, it still reflects rather poorly here by extension.
rich plinth
Just say "We have no plans to open Voice Chat at this time." In #announcements lmao????
silent flower
There is literally an announcement saying it would be closed for at least a month. It is still closed for the reasons specified. Move along.
rich plinth
No problem just saying that it will remain closed in #announcements as people arent going to read pins in this channel no matter how hard you believe it
zinc jay
Outsourcing the problem to other servers doesn't prevent the problem from occurr...
A mod outright says above that people can make their own servers and invite others to them as they wish.
plain arch
A mod outright says above that people can make their own servers and invite othe...
you'll need to find an alternative VC solution for now small servers should be able to avoid the problem that this one is currently managing
Referring to this. Mods are specifically saying privately. There's still a rule against server advertisement as a whole.
surreal shuttle
What happens in other servers is not necessarily our responsibility. If such harassment occurs there, it likely would have occurred here if we opened VC right now as it was before we closed it. What we are looking to do, as far as this server is concerned, is find a way to have a safer and easier to moderate VC experience. Which we don’t have a way right now, which is why it remains closed
Again, we were receiving reports of sexual harassment, racism, sexism, etc on the daily. And we could not moderate any of it because we couldn’t get proof it happened
rich plinth
it kind of seems like: "we literally dont have a way to moderate vcs, and probably wont, but we will just keep saying to wait for vcs to open"
surreal shuttle
You can take it as you will. We are discussing solutions internally, and when we have something for you, we will make that public
But we do not right now. So I can’t say anything about it right now
rich plinth
So just say that in #announcements instead of putting it in a pinned message nobody will see
surreal shuttle
We’ve been transparent here about what the situation is. How you take it is up to you
We are not making a new announcement until we have new information to share. We already made an announcement when the original closure happened
Nothing has changed since that announcement
We don’t have any further information for you at this time
We are discussing solutions internally. It’s one of our big topics that administrators and moderators are both working on. That’s all we can say right now
modest ruin
Then why not post that in announcements as it's been closed for 2 months longer then the minimum and I sure a lot of users who don't check this channel are starting to get restless about it. An announcement would be a good way to pass this information on so someone else doesn't post in here next week about the same stuff the current people are talking about
Good communication goes a long way towards community trust
rich plinth
Yeah i dont see why you cant just say that in #announcements as "nothing has changed" doesnt mean you cant put an update
sacred zephyr
Because technically that announcement is still very much valid. The minimum period of time was given, but the maximum was left open. One can deduce that, if VC is still not open, then the announcement still applies.
Creating a new announcement that just repeats that information seemed pointless given the existing one is still valid. It seems/seemed more appropriate to wait until a decision had been made.
In addition to that, a lot of the smaller announcements get completely overlooked. There was a very minimal chance that making an announcement like that would have prevented people from asking questions about it/giving feedback about it
And so it made more sense to just answer in here as it was brought up.
Especially since, ultimately, the response is this: Nothing has changed.
spare gate
Can you Update the buy faq to use this image as the current one is based on Endwalker preorders so isn't as relevant
half vigil
I'll see if I can get it done within the next couple of weeks if no other mentor does it before me.
pearl halo
Especially since, ultimately, the response is this: Nothing has changed.
I don’t want to add further stuff towards the discussion but do want to say that maybe something similar like the oficial discord for the Dead By Daylight community has would help? Firstly theres a voice chat that by joining u create one and u kind of become leader of that vc. Then theres a discord channel which the leader of vc, can ban people from it by using a command and their account code? This is a rlly bad explanation and it doesn’t solve the problem in its entirety but it is a way to somewhat ease it. Idk 
rich plinth
Creating a new announcement that just repeats that information seemed pointless ...
Then how is making a pinned message nobody will see repeating the info different
safe mural
Can you Update the buy faq to use this image as the current one is based on Endw...
!faq buy
ancient galeBOT
safe mural
If anyone is kind enough to make a handy infographic like the last one we had then I'd be happy to have this replaced cause it's pretty damn long, but hopefully this works well enough
I bumped up against the character limit for FAQs
turbid kayak
I don’t want to add further stuff towards the discussion but do want to say that...
would that not be incredibly hard to moderate? since you separate the voice channels by possible hundreds channels, and what happens would still be able to use that as harassment, and the mods wouldn't be able to fix that.
And not sure if that community discord that you are talking about is partnered or not.
And it sounds like that could be fixed by, just creating your own group...
pearl halo
would that not be incredibly hard to moderate? since you separate the voice chan...
It is partnered, its the oficial discord for the game. It doesn’t fix the problem but since its voice chats theres not really a way for mods to actually moderate those, at least that way, for example in raid vcs we can remove unwanted people from the vc… it is true u can just create ur own group but then its what people said earlier, why stay here then?
untold sequoia
We're not the official discord for the game
fresh cedar
We're not the official discord for the game
They meant that the DBD discord was official
hallow yacht
It is partnered, its the oficial discord for the game. It doesn’t fix the proble...
That would defeat the whole purpose of a public VC, tho
untold sequoia
Ooooh
hallow yacht
Honestly, at this point, the only way to have VC is to have people agree to be recorded when they click the role for VC button, and since they clicked it, it doesnt matters if they read it or not
fresh cedar
Either way
The staff would rather be safe than sorry 🤷♀️
pearl halo
That would defeat the whole purpose of a public VC, tho
Ye true but those are for players lfg, then u can have generals where everyone can literally join, but it would be easier to moderate 1-2 vcs, again idk just shouting ideas ~ true @hallow yacht with what u said ab being recorded
untold sequoia
Tbf the general VCs are the whole reason they were closed in the first place
hallow yacht
Ye true but those are for players lfg, then u can have generals where everyone c...
We had general VCs... they sucked, people decided to be assholes on them, since what they said wasnt recorded
untold sequoia
Its a good idea, just doesn't work with out problem
surreal shuttle
If someone comes to us and says “this guy in VC was saying harmful things to me,” we cannot go and check context like we can with text
pearl halo
Tbf the general VCs are the whole reason they were closed in the first place
Ohh okay makes sense
surreal shuttle
This was happening on a daily basis when VC was open
fresh cedar
Too much effort for something people can just fix by making their own VCs 
untold sequoia
Making your own VC isn't the same
surreal shuttle
We understand people want it back, but bringing it back in the state that it was in when it closed reflects poorly on us. Our job is to create a safe environment in the server, and VC was undoubtedly unsafe. We could not, in good conscience, knowingly keep that going
cosmic drift
We do not currently have any further comment on reintroducing voice chat at this time.
(This neither confirms nor denies that voice chat closure is permanent.)
Thank you!
pearl halo
We understand people want it back, but bringing it back in the state that it was...
Ye i get that was just trying to give ideas but since the general chats where the main reason/ problem then it’s what @ chat said. Oh, agree with meara, creating ur own isn’t the same and in a way the server would lose some engaging from vc’s or activity. Anyways, good luck. Seems like a really hard problem and it will be hard to figure a solution.
sturdy charm
You guys might want to delete the expansion threads under #beginner-lounge, assuming it's meant to go under #952271392424992838 threads? Since people continues to use them they un-archive them
wind fiber
Is "expansion discussion" for lore/story discussion, or for other things? I know lore discussion gets used for discussion of other games a lot, so discussion of patch-specific stuff might be a useful category too.
worthy thistle
I imagine they're functionally the same channels, it was just an oversight
ornate pelican
Hmm
I didn’t realize members could unarchive
That’s not intended
I’ll fix it next time I’m at my desktop
zinc jay
i think if they write in them it unarchives?
ornate pelican
There’s a setting to prevent members from doing it
Doesn’t seem to work on my phone
worthy thistle
if you need a member to test permissions, I'm available 
celest idol
I'm not sure I agree with moving those threads to be honest. I'm not necessarily opposed either, but I doubt new players going through the msq for the first time will go there to talk about their experiences (time may prove me wrong of course) I think the threads were fine where they were.
I do think they are a nice addition in general though, so not only beginners may go there and talk about it. Ideally they'd be in both places imho but that would result in channel bloat which is understandably bad. So... eh.
Not really sure what stance to take here myself but I wanted to give my two cents
I think moving the thread directory below #beginner-lounge may solve that issue now that I think about it. Even though the topic is obviously more closely related to #archived-lore-spoilers
mint fern
Why no vc?
fresh cedar
quasi torrent
versed mauve
is it possible for the voice channels to be hidden or something until they come back so ppl dont ask about them
modern jacinth
untold sequoia
I'm pretty sure they already are
modest ruin
I'm pretty sure they already are
We can't join them but we can see them
untold sequoia
Weird, they're hidden on my end
modest ruin
When I had my old role I was even had access to join them. So probably something fucky with the roles
autumn parrot
They look like this for me. I have to collapse the thing to hide them
plain tusk
Can confirm, the channels are visible but locked; being able to see a channel is now a seperate permission from joining it (hello, I just joined earlier)
untold sequoia
We'll look into it
plain tusk
Speaking of, I've had a gander over your emotes and I highly appreciate them (they help me show things to my newbie friends) but some of them seem to be named rather inconsistently... like 
(which happen to be my main classes)
untold sequoia
They're named that way so that they appear in order in the emote list
At least they're meant to be in order 
plain tusk
Some of them are, others aren't and are all over the place anyway- ahaha, that'd do it, I usually don't use the emote picker but just type the name out
Aren't they sorted alphabetically anyway?
Also, wow I've never seen Forum channels before, THAT is going to take some getting used to
rich plinth
rename voice channels to like CHECK #announcements or like TEMPORARILY CLOSED
hallow yacht
rename voice channels to like CHECK <#502617038188183562> or like TEMPORARILY CL...
It wont stop people from asking "When will VC open?" If it says temporarily closed tbh... best choice is to hide em
But then if you hide em, you get people asking "Do you guys have VC in here? I cant see it" 
, and even if you rename it to check announcements...somebody is gonna check announcements and come back here to ask "when will VC open?"
rich plinth
simple solution: invent a time machine and go back in time to never have added vcs
hallow yacht
simple solution: invent a time machine and go back in time to never have added v...
"Hey guys, i got a suggestion, how about adding VC?" another problem
rich plinth
shouldnt have made a discord server or reddit
half vigil
I appreciate you guys having such a vested interest in the state of this server, but this channel is by far not the appropriate place to have a silly theoretical discussion about this.
charred crest
please throw those stupid voice chat channels under a category so that i can fold them cuz its very obstructive and its on the very top
versed mauve
i was gonna say "theyre hidden now" but i scrolled up and yeah lol
lunar finch
I wholeheartedly agree with amandine
versed mauve
pretty sure its just an error
hoary garden
....yeah, that's new.
charred crest
meanwhile reads the vc text channel b4 it gets yeeted
zinc jay
I see it too
zinc jay
remote spade
If the channels do stay up there, could you perhaps delete some of the VCs?
You can't collapse it like u can with 'Important' & 'Feeds' and they can just be recreated later, no?
safe mural
Can I suggest this server be added to #resources either under encounter or under elemental or materia: https://discord.gg/WEzhVHwAU6
It’s the main place where raiders both on elemental and on materia go to grab raid macros for all content
tulip lava
Can I suggest this server be added to <#713667303203667968> either under encount...
Done (:
hallow mist
Regarding modmail privacy:
Customized clients like BetterDiscord (which violates Discord ToS, but continues to exist and you can't catch people using it unless they're stupid) can cache deleted messages in channels they're reading.
Might be better to just move the whole modmail system into DM (i.e. DM the bot to start a thread) like most popular modmail systems if you are concerned about modmail user privacy.
rich plinth
Or reactions ^
celest idol
!daily
ancient galeBOT
Tick, Tock, Kupo!
celest idol
kupo seems to be an hour off
untold sequoia
The issue with moving it to DMs is Kupo is used on multiple servers, so how would it know which server to send the modmail to?
celest idol
It would certainly make the feature less usable in a broad sense but you could add a parameter that has to be included in the modmail which tells kupo where to send it. Not the best solution tbh, but still better than possible privacy issues imho. (I know it would also mean that any server using kupo would have to be registered somewhere for their unique parameter so... eh)
zinc jay
sounds like unnecessary work honestly. And while it certainly could be a privacy issue i don't exactly see how it could be directly harmful? beyond maybe harassing someone for putting in a ticket on you, but then individuals could just add to the ticket in dms
celest idol
That is true. However I still think kupo should include a disclaimer on that potential issue in the documentation, just for the sake of transparency
zinc jay
That also feels unnecessary, given the large amount of bots that do log messages (kupo included)
celest idol
It's minimal effort and I honestly see no reason to not do it
zinc jay
And if an issue is that serious or sensitive then members can just dm a mod directly
ornate pelican
kupo seems to be an hour off
Yeah I need to update for dst
Modmail in general is something I want to rework a little
hollow abyss
Will kupobot be affected by the change to message content priveleges? https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404772028055
tulip lava
Kupobot has the message content intent
And yeah there are a few potential options for re-engineering modmail. Problem is any option we pick is a bit annoying to roll out retroactively to all our servers which probably means you end up with two flavors of modmail floating around
Especially if it's a drastic design change
pearl halo
Can we get a pogbert emote like 
but with ardbert
gray nexus
I second this idea
fresh cedar
Third
versed mauve
i support any emote that includes ardbert
simple vine
^
timid pilot
celest idol
wrong bert but I still approve of this
timid pilot
So many berts in FFXIV
simple vine
think there's a compiled list somewhere actually
violet shore
can you remove the ahk morning summoner guide from resources it claims to be from 6.08 on the banner but talks about bio and misma
fossil moss
brisk rock
hello!! i just wanted to drop by and say that i'm very thankful for all the work that you guys do! things must have been difficult to due the sudden rise in popularity (not to mention love for final fantasy xiv) but you forge ahead despite those challenges and that's sick as hell
the one thing i'm keeping my fingers crossed for is the return of voice channels since i do miss chilling in there talking to all kinds of people but i'm sure that will happen in due time
that being said i hope everyone in this server has been doing well despite the shitty circumstances our world is finding itself in and i wish you the best of fun playing the game 
opal fossil
We have made multiple public statements about what is going on about VC. In this...
Bumping this for you @brisk rock
safe mural
Can simply see #announcements
opal fossil
That too^
From my understanding, moderation of a vc is damn near impossible due to the legal complications of something like recording and transcribing someone's voice without error in an effort to scan for undesirable discussion topics.
brisk rock
i know! just wanted to throw in my 2 cents, i am very well aware that this case has been rested! my intention had never been to cause any uproar so i apologize. won't happen again o7
opal fossil
Not much of an uproar, tbh, just figured I'd help direct your attention there since I'm sure staff is a bit tired of hearing questions about it at this point
brisk rock
except i wasn't asking any questions
opal fossil
not the point, you know what I mean
simple vine
More like feedback in general regarding it in all honest. I'm sure they appreciate how polite you were about it though.
brisk rock
OH!!! i see! i totally misunderstood your statement then, i can see where you were coming from though in regards to people bringing it up all the time like, it gets tiresome and it's something i should have kept in mind before mentioning it even if i only wanted to do that briefly. i'll make sure to not talk about it again since it is but a matter of the past.
boreal cedar
Posting warnings in conversation channels just invites further derailment of conversation topics. Y'all should stop doing that unless you're intent is to foster conversation topics like "this person has been reported before for X (because it was posted on blast), therefore I think they should be muted/banned", because thats what you get when you try to post a warning as a big scarlet letter like that.
I'm not going to pretend I didnt get in trouble, but the fact that people have been following me around in conversations trying to provoke me, and then pointing to my responses to them as 'further proof' that I'm the problem and should be further punished, is just a breeding ground for them to continue being toxic. So I'm going to provide the feedback that you should stop enabling that.
It's a bit of gaslighting as far as I'm concerned, but the same few people have been chiming in on every conversation I have to make offensive statements, and when someone actually shows up to mediate - I'm seen as the source of the problem, while they start making overly-friendly comments towards the people that send out the warnings like they haven't been little shit-eating gremlins the entire time beforehand.
As evidenced by whats currently going on in #archived-lore-spoilers, posting the warning y'all gave me for being rightfully upset at the offensive statements made by others has just resulted in more people bitching about the implementation of the rules, calling for yet more mutes/bans, and making that channel yet further toxic. This would really be doing moderators a favor - unless of course their intent is to stir up more drama.
zinc jay
the public warnings are for transparency mate, and as for all the other stuff. these are public channels and people can and will respond to what is said.
rich plinth
@boreal cedar not putting warnings in public channels will just make people think mods dont do anything. you can also use #discord-modmail although if it is clear they're provoking you im unsure on why they arent punished
boreal cedar
Sorry the results speak for themselves. Posting warnings publicly ignited yet another off-topic ranting conversation about how the rules are implemented, how they are enforced, and it took a moderator repeatedly threatening further warnings, telling people to stop talking about it, and I think someone else just got banned for being incensed by the conversation as well. The transparency means nothing if it continues to detract from the spirit of the channels. Something to think about. Though ironically people like @zinc jay are using prior infractions as further justification for why someone should be muted or banned from the server, further evidence that warnings shouldnt be publicly posted like "names on the teachers chalkboards, or you'll get people pointing and going "oooOOOOOooooooOOoOOoooooo" like school children. How did you put it? "Stop caring about other peoples punishments" or some such?
fresh cedar
Have you read the ban reason?
It's pretty clear they got way too heated.
simple vine
Posting warnings in conversation channels just invites further derailment of con...
I don’t quite see why you ‘have to make offensive statements’ anywhere, for one part of this at the very least.
fresh cedar
There's "I got provoked and acted wrong in the heat of the moment" and then there's what that person did.
Either way
Transparency from the staff is important.
Warnings show up, we know the person got punished, shake hands and move on.
OR
Warning DOESN'T show up, we don't know if the person got punished, we potentially deal with a case of a guy breaking a rule but not getting a warn for it until staff tells us they got punished. (which is back to square 1 of warnings showing up)
untold sequoia
As has been said by multiple people, public warnings are for transparency, not just so that the rule breaker clearly knows why they're warned for, but for others to know that we're willing to enforce the rules when needed
boreal cedar
its clearly not that simple as people are saying things to the effect of "This person got in trouble the other day, and I disagree with their conversation now, I should call them a troll and say that they should be muted/banned for it"
rich plinth
There's "I got provoked and acted wrong in the heat of the moment" and then ther...
"i got provoked" so wheres the warning for the guy who provoked them?
fresh cedar
If the trouble the other day was something in the style of "stop causing arguments for the sake of arguing" or literally just "stop trolling"
ye
it would make me more likely to assume they're a troll.
simple vine
"i got provoked" so wheres the warning for the guy who provoked them?
That’s where you consider context and whether it was genuine provocation or reacting aggressively, I’d say.
boreal cedar
Apply the rules equally. If person A is offensive and provokes person B into saying something offensive, both people should be warned, not just the one who had a fight picked with them.
untold sequoia
Just for clarities sake
The reason no one else was warned in that situation is because I haven't had the chance to fully read over the whole conversation
fresh cedar
Also yeah
There's genuine provocation to get a reaction out of the person.
And there's getting heated, which leads to the other person getting more heated as a result.
Take it from someone who's done both, staff ain't stupid.
If someone deserves a mute/warning/strike/ban, they'll get one soon enough.
The staff ain't robots, they also have to read the convo to get context.
untold sequoia
I'm sorry that it may seem unfair, but unfortunately situations keep coming up that have taken my attention
boreal cedar
Look what happens when you issue warnings one at a time if thats the case then. Why not warn everyone at once instead of provoking a derailed conversation? Whats the point of "the transparency" if its applied in a way that leads people to misleading conclusions. It's literally the methodology of "shoot first ask questions later"
If you acted without getting context, you're potentially punishing one person without knowing all the details. Again, apply the rules equally.
fresh cedar
Because not everything is obvious?
Telling someone to commit is extremely obvious, no questions asked.
But figuring out whether someone is baiting on purpose vs just got heated?
Takes more time.
There's also just past experiences. If you know someone baited before, it means they can potentially do it again. You start noticing a pattern and can act faster.
simple vine
Acting late also results in escalation.
boreal cedar
Well I've made my recommendation to this channel. It doesn't take much more than the results I'm referring to in order to see that the current way its done is pretty obvious and objectively counterproductive. I'll be sure to use #discord-modmail more though, especially for the 4 individuals I keep seeing that are trying to provoke near-constantly.
fresh cedar
Would you rather we have conversations and possible escalations because the staff isn't transparent with their decisions?
rich plinth
could just mute anyone involved
simple vine
We should just drop this seeing as it’ll be taken to modmail.
boreal cedar
Dont ask people to drop subjects in a feedback channel. If you don't want to see the feedback, just dont look at the channel while the conversation is happening. This whole "just drop it" thing is silly, because the only reason its not dropped in the first place, such as it was in #archived-lore-spoilers was because of the public warnings in the first place, and saying "just drop it" here is nonsensical because you either have something to contribute, or something to object, about feedback.
simple vine
Sorry, sounded like it was about to escalate into an argument. Clearly you agree with them.
fresh cedar
Asking people to drop it is good if the convo keeps going in circles or starts getting derailed, like it is now
Eitehr way
Yeet
hallow yacht
i just got a small grain of salt here... idk whats going on, but i got some warnings and some strikes and they're public... and people have tried to provoke me about em, i just... idk, i don't take the bait in that case, and if the provoking gets too big, i just tell a mod
Public warnings and messages serve to deter other people from falling into the same hole, and to let the affected party know that the cause has been dealt with.
simple vine
<:deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp:703663073109737515> i just got a small grain ...
tbh entirely with this. If others aren’t acting in a fashion you can deal with in a mature manner, telling a mod you’re being provoked is pretty responsible and spares you grief as well.
atomic comet
Is there a way to remove a role? I accidentally clicked the wrong role when i joined
zinc jay
just click the role again
atomic comet
Oh
thorny lantern
If people are provoking you due to your past warning then open up a modmail with the link to the conversation so that we can have a look.
grave arch
I would also like to point out that just because someone is being a troll, and attempting to provoke you, that doesn't mean you have to respond to them. Ignore them, or leave the channel and come back to it later. Or block them so you don't see their messages anymore.
The only person who controls you is you. No one else. Especially in an online setting such as this. You don't have to take the bait. You can quite easily walk away from the situation. And you should, if you find yourself getting irritated.
This advice can be applied to everyone who reads this btw, and it basically applies to all online chat-based interactions, not just the ones here in this server.
pearl halo
Would it be reasonable to ask to allow us to initiate trivia in #trivia for lore training purposes? Or would yall be worried about people memorizing answers for use in future stuff (basically, having us be able to do !trivia 10 or w/e without expecting anyone else to partake). In lieu of that, would someone be able to direct me to where I can find the calendar for trivia nights? It seems like we haven't had one since the 7th
autumn fjord
isn’t trivia only during maintenance?
ornate pelican
Would it be reasonable to ask to allow us to initiate trivia in <#60484708334147...
Yeah it’s the memorization why we do it only occasionally
zinc jay
could we maybe get the kupo message in #archived-lore-spoilers to link to #952271392424992838?
neat sparrow
Yo could we please swap these two channels so that tech discussion could be in the relative old spot that #tech was. The forum design is absolutely terrible on mobile that it's infuriating if you click on it accidentally. I.E. if you miss click it you cannot swipe to bring up the left hand channel menu like in Video 1, you will have to click the top left of your phone to go back. Then it brings you to an EMPTY channel then you have to click the right channel you wanted, like video 2. It also loads juuust slow enough that it's painful. Pleaaase ;-;
worthy thistle
I agree with you that forums need an update on mobile ;^;
you can solve this problem yourself tho! if you mute the #952326072542847016 forum, then hide muted channels, it will stay out of your way c: @neat sparrow
neat sparrow
Blessed
valid junco
I have to imagine I'm not saying anything new, but I'm just going to throw out that I don't think this server's use of the forums feature for expansion discussion actually improves the experience whatsoever (mostly because the forum feature itself.. seems to be a UI nightmare)
ornate pelican
Forums are only broken for Android users primarily.
iOS and desktop should work fine.
valid junco
I don't mean to say they're "broken". I was speaking of desktop. The functionality as currently (intentionally) implemented is just not useful.
zinc jay
dumb suggestion but could we maybe just change #952328891584872488 to #media-discussion, including movies/tv/youtube etc? it may be a better use of the forum and push people to use it more
turbid drift
just noticed kupo bot is a hour behind (in the daily reset trigger). thanks dst 😐
opal fossil
they're know, it's just that they haven't gotten to fixing it yet^
ornate pelican
Should be fixed now
minor kelp
#952326072542847016 seems to work much better than I expected it to, feels like people are getting better targeted help from a wider range of people who have more accurate answers and there's a lot less of the 'too many cooks' that we used to suffer from when it was just #tech
pearl halo
i am not sure how or why but apparantly a picture of a tiny robot baby from nier automata coddled in a blanket is tripping up the server's anti-nudity/anti-explicit filter. I'm rather atsounded. This is the photo in question (taken with a larger frame because the original couldn't be sent here)
when i try it without the white border this happens. AI sure is strange, isn't it?
It's almost like [Nier Quote] ||nothing machines do has any actual meaning behind it|| 
silent flower
Clyde is Discord wide, not channel specific
pearl halo
Oh I didn't know that. So discord is just derping then. Cool. Good to know.
silent flower
Honestly it’s kinda hard to see what that is without zooming. I’m not 100% surprised Clyde is catching it
fresh cedar
It tends to use average color iirc
Along with some basic patterns
So yeah
Cream-ish colours will trip it up
hoary garden
so will the Leanansidhe's butt
whole abyss
Also fat cats sofas especially
pearl halo
kupo bot's an hour early on the weekly reset timer
ornate pelican
kupo bot's an hour early on the weekly reset timer
I think it should be fixed this upcoming week 
pearl halo
He actually did have another message on time but he still had his one that was an hour early
ornate pelican
Yeah I think it just got a little funky because I fixed the times this week
hallow yacht
Will uwubot return?
ornate pelican
Will uwubot return?
Discord broke UWU bot with severe webhook rate limiting.
hallow yacht
Unfortunate, oh well, i will still speak in uwuspeak to keep the spirit of uwubot alive
timid pilot
R.I.P UWUbot
icy sentinel
this is infuriating and i love it
plain arch
pearl halo
ngl, you had me for a hot second with the icon
torpid citrus
Does translation channel not work when added to your channel to follow? I tries adding it to my server as a follow bit its not working.
celest idol
The feature has a limit on how many messages will transfer to your server, you won't be able to follow the entire thing on yours
timid pilot
Only the announcement and beginning of the translation is published due to discord limiting publish rate.
It only allows a publish once every... 15 minutes or so? Which is far too slow and can be spammy
torpid citrus
Thanks for the info! Thats some rubbish tho 😩
late widget
it'd be nice if you could pin the first message for each live letter in the translation channel instead of me having to scroll back for 5 minutes to find it
untold sequoia
Good idea 👍
latent night
They do that already 
untold sequoia
That would be because I pinned it after they suggested it lol
latent night
Ahhh my apologies then. 
versed mauve
could we add jocat's videos to the respective !faq tankguide and !faq healerguide and potentially make a !faq dpsguide with weskalber's and jocat's videos
plain arch
Errr... for jocats? I'd love to say yes, like, I'd absolutely kill to add those but something tells me people will find him a bit too brutal for that.
versed mauve
i mean they have a lot of good info in them in a short video
half vigil
I would agree but there's a little bit of inconsistency/not quite agreeable information in those videos that I'd not say is good advice for new players
versed mauve
what about a !faq dpsguide with weskalber's dps video or at least an faq that links to weskalber's channel so people dont have to search youtube every time
oh, hes made guides for every role
hallow yacht
I don't think that would be fair for other youtubers making guides if kupobot itself was promoting those guides to be honest
A little searching in a platform as open as youtube doesn't hurts, and having many options keeps the ground even for all the guidemakers that exist
versed mauve
kupo bot already has specific guides tho and a random search on youtube has desperius
hallow yacht
kupo bot already has specific guides tho and a random search on youtube has desp...
Touche... the guides are mostly The Balance guides tho, and not exactly a "This person gets paid per views" kind of guides... anyways, this is up to the staff's discretion
plain oar
Can we have the screenshots channel purely for screenshots, i understand giving compliments and such but spamming it with Eorzea collection links per picture is a tad annoying
untold sequoia
The links aren't exactly taking up a large space in the channel, and they're usually accompanied by an actual screenshot, creating a second channel for just screenshots would be a tad redundant
plain oar
The links aren't exactly taking up a large space in the channel, and they're usu...
I was more implying have the one existing only accept screenshots, the GPOSE discord has one that prevents links, since I thought the SS channel is for yknow SS not for advertising their EC Glams
covert fox
Make the list for bad words easier to find pls
hoary garden
You don't look in #about-this-server to find things about this server?
plain arch
We do. And it's buried.
zinc jay
it's in rule one. #about-this-server message
hoary garden
It's quite literally linked in the Rule 1 post, which iirc we all "say" we read through said posts, but I suppose that could be a bit complex, yeah
autumn fjord
it’s buried so that we make sure people read the rules carefully in order to find it
plain arch
It's an external link in less than half a line in a channel with like an absolute ton of different information in it. And it's rules. They're almost universal across larger discords, with little variance, so most give it a vague skim over. An auto-triggered filter isn't exactly something you want buried in this sort of fashion as it's by no means helpful to anyone unless you already know exactly where it is.
I've brought this up before, so I don't expect anything to change about it.
untold sequoia
The auto removal is at the end of the first rule, we could probably change the name of the hyperlink to be a bit more clearer, but skimming/not reading it isn't much of an excuse
zinc jay
It's in the rule it's relevant to, I'm not sure how that's hard to find
and you should be reading the rules anyways
plain arch
I'm pretty sure if you held a pop quiz to see how many people vigorously studied the rules of every server they joined you'd be very, very surprised. With that defense anyways. As it currently stands it seems like it's almost hidden.
Anyways, I've said my piece, I stand by my statement, I'm gonna get food.
crude wagon
You read the rules and you accepted it, if you’re caught by the rule you can’t pull a “DIDNT read”/“was buried” because it’s explicitly buried so people actually read and pay attention
autumn fjord
the word list is pretty self explanatory common sense though. i don’t see why it has to be explicitly highlighted. it’s mainly there to disprove people who say “wtf rules didn’t tell me i can’t say that word!!”
zinc jay
Yeah I think the list is pretty sensical... if you need to be told what words not to say then 
plain arch
Up until you get slapped for talking about raccoons due to a slur that hasn't been used since the 60s, I agree.
zinc jay
Up until you get slapped for talking about raccoons due to a slur that hasn't be...
That slur is still used so that's an irrelevant example.
and slurs are slurs, doesn't matter if they're "old."
crude wagon
You always get unmuted on cases where it shouldn’t be applicable like a typo or the fact that the filter might catch something like COMPUTING (sort it out)
Racial/xenophobic/problematic slurs don’t stop having the impact if they’re old or not, just that when it’s a legitimately typo, or even on a link, mods will unmute, it’s a dumb mute but nothing to go over with, stops people from trying to flame and sometimes catches unfortunate mistypos
plain arch
In my 27 years in a pretty shitty city I've never heard it once. So all that did was increase my own vocabulary. It's entirely relevant. Keeping it around in public view only perpetuates its existence if its not already massively widespread. Again, I've brought this up before. It got glassed over.
untold sequoia
(Also its the cat breed that triggers it, not racoons)
You also have to remember we're a partnered server, and have to take a hard stance against slurs, while you may not have personally experienced the usage of the word, many people still to this day have, and its better to be safe than sorry when it comes to slurs
zinc jay
In my 27 years in a pretty shitty city I've never heard it once. So all that did...
Cool, but your experience isn't everyone's. the slur still exists and is used. I see it so, so often. Just because it doesn't exist where you live does not mean it's no longer used at all.
crude wagon
In my 27 years in a pretty shitty city I've never heard it once. So all that did...
Racial slurs don’t exist because I never heard it 
In all seriousness , if it’s a slur, especially at the type of way that said word is used historically and others, you know edgy kids will use it and try to raid/flame people with it, just because you’re the exemption doesn’t make you the rule.
hoary garden
It's interesting to me the amount of time being invested in railing at the supposed lack-of-accessibility to a list that's allegedly overly-difficult to find for an auto-mute, instead of simply saying "....oh I see, that's a bad word, and I can come back in an hour and I won't say that word again".
covert fox
It would just be nicer to make it easier to find, admittedly what doom said is true, some people skim over the rules (i know its no excuse but its the reality) as they’re pretty discord standard, however there are some words or names or stuff that aren’t that common sense, so it’d help to at least make it a little bit clearer.
wheat shuttle
inappropriate words aren’t common sense? it’s not hard to rub neurons together and assume you shouldn’t use certain vocabulary in social settings
covert fox
I said some, read properly
wheat shuttle
geographical norms aside, the rules are there and it’s up to users to look into it
untold sequoia
How would you want it changed to be more visible?
covert fox
Idk its not my job to moderate this place, I’m just giving the suggestion to make it easier to find/more visible, because as it stands you can’t deny there’s a lot of people that don’t know about it. You can’t expect everyone to join here and assume you cant link fox news, as shitty as they are
wheat shuttle
even if there was a way to forcibly place it on someones screen, most would pan thru it like any EULA or TOS; there’s no clear solution. The onus is on the end user to not trip up on these kinds of things
night notch
its really not that hard to find tbh
you go to the rules channel, you scroll up, you see number 1, you click the blue text meaning a link
zinc jay
rule 1 is usually the most general or broad, scroll to rule one, see the list of no-no words, read list of no-no words, and avoid saying list of no-no words.
crude wagon
Idk its not my job to moderate this place, I’m just giving the suggestion to mak...
So facilitating it for people to skim over the rules and not making them properly read would be the solution ? Even when it’s the first rule which is sometimes the most important rule that catches your attention for a bigger span of time ?
night notch
you can also always just
ask if anyone could give you the link to the banned words. im sure anyone would be able to help or atleast give you pointers.
covert fox
I mean, fine if you all don’t want to, it doesn’t affect me in any way whatsoever since I already know the rules as you all already know, I’m just stating it for the new people, accidental triggers will keep on happening. I don’t know why you all are acting like I’m suggesting it for personal benefit.
crude wagon
Here’s an actual suggestion as an alternative to the mods, keep the link in place where it stays but add it as a separate thing ontop/on the bottom or whatever as a separate entry list so it should be easier to spot 
untold sequoia
Remember that while non-staff are allowed to offer their opinions, they aren't actually involved in any decision making
And I'm open to hearing suggestions on how to improve it
zinc jay
Could also just link to the rules in kupo's little mute transparency notification
hoary garden
...actually, yeah, that's a solid idea. Just a little "as a reminder, here is our list of no-no phrases".
"If you feel you have been muted in error, or made a typo in good faith, please contact our staff via modmail."
covert fox
That would be nice and it would also diminish the DMs to mods asking ‘why the hell did I get muted’ and the arguing about x or y word, when its just in the rules list
versed mauve
I was gonna say just add the link in another little text box thing at the bottom of #about-this-server
crude wagon
Here’s an actual suggestion as an alternative to the mods, keep the link in plac...
Suggested it already too, both could be implemented
covert fox
Also maybe add a check reaction precisely after the link so people notice it more, and so if they don’t read it, you’ll know they didn’t read the rules at all, or actually used the word in bad faith
pearl halo
I got muted over it because I didn’t even know about the list of words that auto flag. If I didn’t specifically ask someone where it was, I wouldn’t have been able to find it. I also feel like there’s a disconnect Bc one of the words I used are primarily used in lgbt friendly spaces so being told I can’t say some words feels almost backhanded. Like we are creating a safe space for people and then in the same breath giving them grief about things or otherwise flat out saying you don’t believe them.. it’s extremely frustrating
half vigil
Not to downplay the feeling you're having but given that some words can be co-opted by one community but still be offensive that logic isn't quite fair. Certain words are derogatory in most usages, and like mentioned above if you aren't genuinely intentionally trying to use it it'll be dealt with by unmuting.
The word you used was by far not appropriate in other communities
zinc jay
I got muted over it because I didn’t even know about the list of words that auto...
If you're referring to reclaimed slurs, not all communities are comfortable with said things and you need to respect that as well. In fact most people I know don't like the idea of that.
pearl halo
I can totally understand that wanting to just erase a word entirely so that others don’t abuse it, I truly can. I just feel frustrated when I go “hey I used this in this context” and then I get essentially told that I’m lying and that I should just take the mute. Which circles back to how I feel backhanded
@zinc jay I’m referring to me calling a video game character the c word as in, iconic. Afaik, it was never a slur to begin with but it’s a very common word at least in the diverse spaces I frequent
half vigil
It's not about whether you are lying or not in this instance. The fact remains, you used it intentionally and its not permitted.
pearl halo
To reiterate, I understand that some words are just not wanted to be used and while I can get behind said sentiment, I’d really REALLY appreciate better open communication if I may be so bold.
zinc jay
What open communication? Again, the words are clearly given there. It's on you for not checking it.
And I'm not sure people want to see slurs openly announced and advertised in announcements every time they're added 
i certainly don't.
untold sequoia
Its unfortunate that this appears to be an unfortunate clash of cultures, but as Channy mentioned, its a fine line when choosing what words to allow or disallow when some find the word offensive while others consider it an important word to their culture
pearl halo
When half the server missed the list of banned words, it’s not as clear as it appears. And again this circles back to I’m not quite sure how that word is even considered a slur to begin with let alone an offensive word to culture given the numerous other swear words that are at people’s disposal.
untold sequoia
Imo I don't really know how to explain why its bad other than because its bad, its one of those facets thats ingrained in society, where people know its bad but not why its bad
worthy thistle
I imagine it's the same reason why any other word is filtered - people tend to use it rudely more often than they use it affectionately, so banning it is by and large the better move
in small private communities, this can be different! but that's a privilege of trust you get from friends, not on a partnered server ♡
steel folio
I do feel like some of the words are a tad vague like you could say one sexual reference but not another etc so having said list more visible would be nice. I like the suggestion of kupo giving you the list in DMs if you get muted as most people aren’t going to see it in the rules
hoary garden
Also, if I may, "half the server" is a bit dramatic and anecdotal—but I also believe it's accurate, and even somewhat lowballed, because it runs parallel to the same principle where Literally No One actually reads the Terms Of Service for any game, program, or device they buy the rights to use.
But the fact that a person will generally choose not to read the rules, even when prompted to "please read the rules, they're in this channel", is not a valid base to say "we should make the rules more accessible". They already are accessible. People choose to ignore them.
A person getting upset that they didn't know a rule existed after choosing to ignore the rules when presented with them has earned their (in this case arguably trivial) consequences.
If you get muted because you chose not to check the list of auto-mutable words, that is your own fault. And I say this having done exactly that.
covert fox
Also, to add a suggestion to what amelia is saying, there should be some sort of disclaimer for reclaimed slurs and the sort, as to not diminish some cultures, but to establish the reason that they’re not allowed is because most people would use them in a bad manner, regardless of context. Mostly to avoid arguing about them, so its clear that even that if to some people they’re acceptable, they’re not at all in this specific discord.
ornate pelican
I got muted over it because I didn’t even know about the list of words that auto...
Not reading the rules is your fault really.
They are clearly linked in the rules.
brazen remnant
Would it be possible/some way to have it clearer in #art that advertising commissions isn’t allowed? Keep seeing it at least maybe once every few days (there’s one a few posts up right now looking now it’s removed)
Not sure how it could really be clearer without a bot interference though unless others have suggestions too
pearl halo
They are clearly linked in the rules.
Are we really pretending like a lot of people don’t find it easily… because I’m QUITE sure that many people have been muted because they didn’t even know there was a list of automated mute words. Especially since one of the words isn’t a slur to begin with so it would be common knowledge to the average person that it isn’t a bad thing to say
People can band together and say “Well the rules are easy to find you just chose to ignore them” I had to ask a staff member where the rule was because I had missed it entirely. It would be nice if rules had its own separate channel so that, again it’s more accessible. To even get into, it feels bad to seem my vocabulary get erased and told that I’m just making up the meaning of a word feels very anti lgbt. Let’s just call a spade a spade. If someone was using that word as an inflammatory word I.E attacking someone then mods can mute them, but calling something x word since it has multipurpose is a different conversation entirely. This is the feedback channel and refusing to at least acknowledge valid criticisms is a choice.. similarly there’s like.. only one kid available to talk to since a lot of them have dms off or don’t respond. But if I’m really the outlier talking to a wall then so be it I just won’t use the word.
worthy thistle
that is just a part of adult life, yeah - sometimes you have to behave differently in public spaces than you would in private, trusted groups 
sturdy charm
It's just a 1h mute for triggering it anyway, isn't it? That's a slap on the wrist, even if you didn't read it perhaps you will find it after your first mute 
timid pilot
Some words/topics simply don’t have any wiggle room due to Partnered discords being held to a higher standard/code of conduct
carmine rivet
People can band together and say “Well the rules are easy to find you just chose...
I am rather active in lgbt circles and i wouldn't call that c word a fundamental queer word. On the contrary, i'd call it a British or Australian staple. The truth is however that especially in the US the word is very negatively seen by the mainstream. It's more liberal use by certain groups does not negate that
eager violet
I think one thing really to consider is whether the message we're trying to convey can be done without needing the word or not. If it can, then it shouldn't be a problem not to use it, even if we do think it's okay or convenient to do so.
ornate pelican
If you cannot convey what you want to say without the world cunt you probably should not say it to begin with
misty kernel
This shouldn't even be a conversation. If its banned in this server then you shouldn't say it. End of story. And if you can't even read the rules because its "buried" and you can't even do some extra scrolling, that's a you issue. Not sure why we even have to go back and forth on this at all.
pearl halo
This shouldn't even be a conversation. If its banned in this server then you sho...
what do you think feedback means
simple vine
More like a rant than actual feedback
nimble canopy
What is Slang? 
misty kernel
what do you think feedback means
Not my fault you don't wanna read the rules that are explicity stated. And no it was hardly feedback. More like a rant
pearl halo
it's not a rant to have open dialogue with mods, you can disagree though that's not a problem for me
ornate pelican
Your feedback has been heard. We will not be removing cunt from the hard filter at this time.
zinc jay
actual feedback, can it maybe be changed so the modmail ticket notification doesn't tag the person who tried to send it? #discord-modmail message
it doesn't ping the user anyways so this just feels like a bit of a privacy issue
cosmic drift
Modmail is likely to be reworked.
ornate pelican
Modmail is likely to be reworked.
pearl halo
jade wagon
It could be helpful if an endwalker thread was added in #952271392424992838 for people to talk about endwalker spoilers while still using spoiler tags similar to the threads for other expacs
fresh cedar
I second that
Mainly given that #archived-lore-spoilers is free for all for content so there's no real way to talk about it without being at risk of being spoiled by a secondary conversation or seeing spoilers by coming into there
hollow abyss
Thirding, it was nice to have a place to put (tagged) EW spoilers as I went without needing to dip into the old thread
worthy thistle
I'm not even up to EW but I support this idea 
frozen whale
- Share ideas, suggest improvements, discuss changes to this Discord
Feedback: Allow swearing when talking to a moderator, when it is not directed at them.
deft sorrel
No.
Moderators are required to be courteous when interacting with users. You can and will extend them the same courtesy or you'll be removed from the server.
As for the feedback regarding #archived-lore-spoilers: that channel is intended to be a free for all. If you wander in there, expect to be spoiled up to 6.08. If you want to discuss certain story beats without getting spoiled, that's what #952271392424992838 is for.
old hazel
I think the original idea is indeed adding EW thread in #952271392424992838
autumn fjord
yeah, it seems we’re lacking a channel for people who want to discuss endwalker with spoiler tags as they progress through it
fresh cedar
As for the feedback regarding <#226353385706618880>: that channel is intended to...
Hence the suggestion. We're not allowed to make threads so we're asking for staff to make an Endwalker thread in #952271392424992838
hallow yacht
Hello y'all, due to the incoming changes to entry sub(not limited to 1 character per world, but now 8 per world, but still 8 characters in total) the !faq subprice needs to be updated
ornate pelican
<@&472496619577671691> ^
hallow yacht
Also if possible put a note saying that gamecards are only standard sub, there are no entry sub gamecards, big mcthankies from mcspankies
tidal shuttle
is this a proper place to make kupo bot requests? it would be cool if there was an "!allmyglams" or "!myglams all" command that expands on the !myglam series of requests
specifically this command might do something like post a compilation screenshot with all of that user's saved glams from the "!myglam save" command
this would help with reducing chat clutter when people want to show off multiple glams
tidal shuttle
thanks, will crosspost there
timid pilot
Kupo doesn't seem to recognize that maintenance is happening
ornate pelican
Will fix when I’m at my desk
ornate pelican
!maint
ancient galeBOT
Tick, Tock, Kupo!
safe mural
Trivia [ID: 1276]
In question text replace "sleepy pixie" with "sleepy fae" (Bismarck isn't a pixie)
zinc jay
request to re-open the all spoilers thread in #archived-lore-spoilers for 6.1 and datamining
safe mural
Trivia [ID: 1141] grammar fix, correct "theirself" to "themself"
jagged egret
request to re-open the all spoilers thread in <#226353385706618880> for 6.1 and ...
Seconded
zinc jay
especially given that patch is downloading and datamining is going to begin soon
hollow abyss
nthing
vivid raft
i don't think the expansion discussion threads are as well moderated as they should be, given that its a space to talk about expansions and those preceding it in spoiler marks for people who haven't gone through the entire expansions, it walks a thin line in between actually spoiling a part and not, but uh, they're also kind of just easy to spoil something when talking about the story in general, like literally just now i got spoiled in #952272140265218088 with an EW spoiler, but that's on me for wanting to get into those spaces to talk about the story anyway
point is that the labelling through || spoilers isn't really emphasized enough for people to read, and there should probably be more disclaimers as to being subjected to subtle unspoilered texts (i.e foreshadowing) in response to making better channels to 'safely' discuss the story
ornate pelican
i don't think the expansion discussion threads are as well moderated as they sho...
Link the Endwalker spoiler
vivid raft
it's already been deleted by meara
ornate pelican
it's already been deleted by meara
I’ve reposted a reminder and also upped the penalty for spoiling
zinc jay
can we make an faq for the GARO collab, since it's probably going to be around for a while?
flint pivot
Hello! I was wondering what happened to the Character Sheet when doing !me or !whoami commands? Are they gone or just an update needed?
untold sequoia
SE probably made changes to the Lodestone and it needs updating
ornate pelican
Hello! I was wondering what happened to the Character Sheet when doing !me or !w...
Should be fixed now
flint pivot
Indeed, thank you!
finite seal
Hmmm guess a quick question since it’s for feedback so I assume help is how do you even begin to use this discord ….. None of it makes since old post no rules no help for understanding stuff ….. I’m so lost I just want to lfg is that even a thing
finite seal
So no lfg?
rich plinth
finite seal
<#713667303203667968>
I don’t understand those are just links is there an lfg in the discord or not I’m so lost
timid pilot
If you want to find people to do regular content with, such as normal dungeons/raids and 24-man alliances, just use the in-game party finder or duty finder.
If you want a datacenter-specific discord, try this one. https://discord.gg/vxKtHky
finite seal
If you want to find people to do regular content with, such as normal dungeons/r...
So this is the wrong room but either way thanks for the link then since I’m looking to lfg and set up games while away from the pc
rich plinth
uhh ban nsfw plates we get it at this point
hoary garden
uhh ban nsfw plates we get it at this point
Unfortunately, this server is in no way affiliated with Square Enix; this channel is for feedback about this server, not the game.
untold sequoia
I believe they want them banned from this server, not the game
pearl halo
I thought this server has strict no NSFW rule?
neat sparrow
I mean it's borderline nsfw, extremely suggestive but no dongs or coochies or titties so
zinc jay
Theyre suggestive, not outwardly nsfw. And you see plenty of suggestive stuff in every major city in game, so... I fail to see why they'd enforce that when you see similar shit in game
untold sequoia
For the time being, just spoiler tag it
rich plinth
Unfortunately, this server is in no way affiliated with Square Enix; this channe...
i meant it for the server...
hallow yacht
Are we changing the banner for the 6.1 banner btw? The server banner
There is a good pic in Danbooru and other sites, but i havent looked for an official site
turbid kayak
warm zodiac
please add this as an emote for reacting with it would be so godlike
cosmic drift
rich plinth
smoky bridge
This is going to be a super hot topic but can we add Monster Hunter emotes since the game did officially have a Monster Hunter crossover? At the very least Rathalos emotes?
mighty fossil
request
a cmd that list the skill names of a class
ancient galeBOT
bitter thistle
I clicked the roles to join the server just now, and I got a DM from the bot saying it added the role successfully. However it said "(!) This interaction failed" on the Discord screen itself directly under the role button. Just thought I'd mention that here.
ornate pelican
I clicked the roles to join the server just now, and I got a DM from the bot say...
Yeah it’s kind of finicky
That’s why the backup channel is open again
slate quest
New here. Aether and Primal aren't options on #612757637813239808 so I clicked Crystal before seeing there's a normal #860652505117753384 . Now I get an error when selecting the correct one (Primal).
zinc jay
request for a command to show what maps are currently active for CC and frontlines - FL is on a set schedule and cc seems to be as well
preferably with the new time code functions so people can adjust to their time zones?
ornate pelican
New here. Aether and Primal aren't options on <#612757637813239808> so I click...
The backup channel should be fixed now. Is the main channel broken?
Despite the interaction saying it failed it seemed to work fine
worthy thistle
looks like materia has a reaction in #612757637813239808, but it's missing from the actual list
fresh cedar
looks like materia has a reaction in <#612757637813239808>, but it's missing fro...
So is healer
Well healer has opposite problem
On the list, no react
worthy thistle
oh yeah, that one too
ivory moat
This isn't really a serious suggestion, but could we get a reading faq
and just have this image alongside it
plain egret
Hello I was having a problem with kupo bot in our discord server, it doesn't seem to be responding to any of our staff commands (even though it was working a couple months ago)? We're admins with all permissions, and the kupo bot has all the permissions it had last time we used the same staff commands, and we even gave it more permissions and its still not working for some reason?
The commands I was trying to use were to edit the reaction posts we have, like !reactions list for example, the kupo bot is just completely unresponsive for some reason to all staff commands
User commands seem to work fine though, like !whoami and so on
ornate pelican
!help reactions list
ancient galeBOT
ornate pelican
Make sure he has those permissions
plain egret
yup it has all of those and more, it seems to be responding to other staff commands like !setprefix but not for the reactions stuff, its very odd 🤔
sturdy charm
Does kupo have those?, nvm I read it as "I have those and more"
plain egret
yup, this is for kupo bot in that image above, and as for us, we have all permissions on the server
I was considering removing and adding kupo bot again but was worried if that might make it so it wont recognise all our old kupo posts that we already have existing (we have a bunch of reaction posts, button posts, rule posts etc)
sturdy charm
Are you in a thread or a normal channel?
plain egret
It's a normal channel, we've used this channel many times before to add and edit these kupo posts but it suddenly doesn't seem to be working anymore
ornate pelican
Hm
ornate pelican
It's a normal channel, we've used this channel many times before to add and edit...
Can you quick test and tell me if he responds with admin permission
If he does I can drag myself off the couch to look at why he might be ignoring you
plain egret
Ok so... it worked with admin permission >:O this is very weird
ornate pelican
Ok
I guess that means I need to get up and check
@commands.bot_has_permissions(send_messages=True, embed_links=True, manage_messages=True, read_message_history=True, add_reactions=True, manage_roles=True)
@checks.has_permissions(manage_roles=True)
pearl halo
new to channel, but noticed that healer role reaction is missing, so I can't add that role
zinc jay
its not missing from #860652505117753384 but it is missing from #612757637813239808
pearl halo
oh, completely missed that channel... whoops\
cerulean heron
what is the "backup" version for?
fresh cedar
In case the normal isn't working
minor kelp
couple of times I've noticed threads like this pop up where there are no participants, I deleted the previous one I saw but it occurred to me it might be a bug you'd want to know about... how would you like these handled?
turbid kayak
seems like it becomes like this when you delete your own initial message, as i did with https://canary.discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/969251079579631646
tight tusk
I noticed that I got a strike for a certain thing I said. Which in retrospect is in poor taste and said strike is warranted. I understood that accumulating more than one strike will lead to a ban, but is there a true limit (like 3) or is it circumstantial (depends on the strikes)?
I would also like to apologize for making the comment. Sorry.
Don't need to tell me the exact answer if it is true limit
half vigil
It's 3 strikes. Strikes are permanent. Unless you do something egregiously rule breaking the regular standard is 3
modest ruin
I had an issue about a month ago in modmail that I was told to contact an admin about instead and I still haven't gotten an answer to a question I asked them about on March 11th. I'm just wondering am I ever going to get a resolution to this issue?
ornate pelican
I had an issue about a month ago in modmail that I was told to contact an admin ...
My last message from you is from 2018
modest ruin
It was with gist he was one who told me in the modmail to contact an admin so reached out to him
ornate pelican
If you privately contacted a single admin and haven’t contacted me why are you publicly making a fuss when you could have direct messaged me? I have no knowledge of any specific issue you have and it it was handled poorly then this is the first I’m hearing of it.
You were a mod you should know that most issues if handled correctly eventually make their way to me so you could have just skipped the in between and messaged me.
I don’t bite.
modest ruin
Tbh I thought it was already discussed with the team due to some issues I voiced which is why I came here
whole abyss
Not a big issue but in !faq worldpick, tonberry and kujata is still depicted as large anount of oceanic players. It would be more apt to describe it as more English speaking players. Albeit the more servers have increasing en players already
fresh cedar
They still have a large amount of oceanic players afaik due to bad connection to Materia 
hallow yacht
They still have a large amount of oceanic players afaik due to bad connection to...
It's mostly SEA players, not OCE players. New OCE players are incentivized to go to Materia, but older OCE players already established on Kujata/Tonberry aren't so incentivized. But yeah, back to the point, some FAQ's are outdated, but i suppose it's fine, expansion is relatively fresh and we're still picking up, not to mention that the staff is also comprised of players of the game that also want to enjoy the game. It's not really jarringly outdated kek
fresh cedar
Yeah. It still holds true to some extent
safe mural
I've changed it to read "large amount of Southeast Asian and Oceanic players"
whole abyss
Thanks @safe mural!
charred crest
list the filtered words somewhere please if a bot that mutes without context gunna be employed
so that i can choose my words wisely
and not get muted an entire hour just cuz i didnt know that word could be used in a bad way in a specific condition
zinc jay
list the filtered words somewhere please if a bot that mutes without context gun...
it's listed clearly in rule 1 in #about-this-server. which you should read when you join anyways
hoary garden
And yet the mute expires, and no strikes are recorded, and now you are wiser for the experience.
charred crest
worthy thistle
it's not a big deal, but I think people tend to skim over that section because it doesn't mention a "bot" or "word filter" at all
people tend to look for keywords when they read through their 20th server's rule channel 
carmine rivet
If u skim rules that's your fault
worthy thistle
I agree, it's just an easy way we could avoid this question again in the future
hoary garden
it's blue
fresh cedar
Reading the rules carefully so you know not to do so you don't end up muted would also help
charred crest
too long; dyslexia (and the way how theres so many fancy borders and fancy fonts doesnt help)
it takes great deal of effort to read tooltips already so that i dont get reported
hoary garden
that is why i mentioned they are blue
charred crest
theres a lot of blue
hoary garden
not in Rule 1
charred crest
also a slight reference (the other server is a green tick server (discord recognizes the server)
the right side one is easier to read
safe mural
I find the the right one harder to read, personally.
zinc jay
Same. Left is easier to read. Proper formatting is better.
humble kindle
I also felt like I had to "dig for them" while looking through. It's absolutely everyone's responsibility to read the rules, but making it obvious is an easy thing to do for people who are ESL, where reading is harder, or where its a good deal of effort to keep track and go through as you read. The rules are very well organized but dense, and even an emoji or a BANNED EXAMPLES HERE would help folks like me a lot 🙂
tawdry parrot
Re: the word list
I'm not sure how people are feeling as though they are having to dig for information when it's in the third box in the "about this server." It's hyperlinked. On top of that, it explicitly states "examples here."
humble kindle
It’s okay if it’s not in your experience, there are just some accessibility things people could think about that would make it easier on some folks.
tawdry parrot
Basically, if you wouldn't say it at work or other professional environment, why say it here?
worthy thistle
You guys call each other weebs at work? 
humble kindle
It’s true! Most of them are common sense. But accessibility and clarity in general make things better, not worse, and it’s been a very common request; I just wanted to add two cents that there are other perspectives that can struggle with this, and it’s not just ignoring boxes all the time.
worthy thistle
I imagine there's a bit of resistance because the rules are actually posted by a bot, which can be a pain to edit for small changes like this
ornate pelican
I imagine there's a bit of resistance because the rules are actually posted by a...
Editing the rules is easy
I don’t really believe there is much of a clarity issue here as much as people who didn’t bother reading them trying to save face over something that doesn’t even matter because they walk away without even a warning most of the time.
humble kindle
Alright! That is indeed your prerogative. Thanks for listening all the same 🙂
pearl halo
where can I find the rules, again?
half vigil
pearl halo
can I DM you about a specific clarification?
half vigil
Feel free to open a #discord-modmail
pearl halo
Will do.
charred crest
Basically, if you wouldn't say it at work or other professional environment, why...
i got away with the one word that somehow triggered the bot evven back in primary school cuz the way i used the word i didnt even specify any target when i used the word i specified my own SE account would get redacted (or maybe cuz back in the day it wasnt tainted by unsavvy keyboard fighters yet)
honestly i dont care about saving face cuz im too edgy to not try to advocate myself as a maou in every single situation possible 
tawdry parrot
OK?
misty kernel
Being edgy is not an excuse to say a word you're not supposed to. No matter if this is a professional environment or not, respect the rules. I have no idea why this has to be said all the time in this channel about someone triggering the filter. Just don't Say it and if you didn't read the rules that is no one's fault but your own.
hallow yacht
BTW kupobot commands work, but any FFLogs related command doesn't
zinc jay
might be an issue with fflogs api as it's not working on kupo on servers outside of this one, either
deft sorrel
FFLogs api is currently broken.
surreal shuttle
We do not have open voice channels in this server at this time. If you want to know why that is, there is a pin in this channel, and also this announcement here:
noble terrace
i will read that right now,. thank you very much.
ok, so. i did not ask my question correctly. i am very sorry. i will go, please do not be mad.
pearl halo
you guys have yet to explain to me why Khloe is considered god, I'm curious about your religion based on the input text for this server-specific emote 
the emote is "god" and its just khloe. You guys just Wonderous Tails fans or is there something deeper here?
plain arch
Wondrous tails is like half an exp bar plus a bunch of rewards you can't get anywhere else. Unfortunately it's tied behind lines.
And you have barely any control over said lines.
umbral fog
its a joke, made by zepla in her video about WT. "blood for the blood god" since we kind of go around murdering shit to give khloe stories
runic fractal
Hi, here to suggest for mods to make class specific channels for people who want to specifically talk about class optimization.
cosmic drift
Consider exploring class discord options, or potentially using The Balance, as they're a more specialized community that may better be able to optimize your class
fresh cedar
Hi, here to suggest for mods to make class specific channels for people who want...
☝️
This is a Reddit discord after all
We have the role channels where you can ask general questions or optimisations there
However I would just recommend Balance as it has resources on every job and their micro optimisations
runic fractal
Im aware the Balance exists. Was just a suggestion so people dont HAVE to go there
fresh cedar
It would be kinda pointless in the grand scheme of things.
Since most likely it would just be a carbon copy of what the balance already has.
Versus just joining another discord
runic fractal
Lmao okay i did say i was suggesting to mods, not some random person, and they dont need you to answer for them.. but thank you for your feedback 
safe mural
Well Lynn’s right, essentially.
runic fractal
I get that but gist already answered me so their commentary was unnecessary but appreciated
pearl halo
You could talk about opti in endgame or role lounges too, just not really guaranteed you'll get accurate responses
autumn fjord
the role lounges in this server aren’t super populated so sure you can ask in here but that’s just making it harder for yourself when there’s another discord dedicated to helping people with optimisation questions
thorny lantern
I've personally had 0 issues with the balance.
You just have to keep an open mind and have a thicker skin than you would need here, the thicker skin can be gotten over by just not interacting much with people beyond just asking optimization questions in their class channels. Keep away from the general channels and stick to the class channels and you will be fine. We're not looking to compete with the balance here.
hallow yacht
The realistically doable thing would be making threads...but that would kinda segment even more the already small endgame focused playerbase
untold sequoia
Class dedicated channels/threads isn't really in the scope of the Discord, as Gist said, you'd be better off using the Balance or similar servers
rich plinth
small but materia is an emote but not listed on the embed
sturdy shard
How do i change what DC i am attached to in the Discord? I moved to Aether after joining the Discord and never got around to changing it.
half vigil
How do i change what DC i am attached to in the Discord? I moved to Aether after...
Use the role reactions in #860652505117753384 again
misty kernel
Click on crystal again then click on aether
sturdy shard
Thank you!
simple vine
Would it be possible to fix mutes in terms of muted users still being able to talk in the role lounges? Just had a case of it and 
sorry if it's been brought up before but it's a bit weird tbh that it's fine there
surreal shuttle
Would it be possible to fix mutes in terms of muted users still being able to ta...
This is being worked on internally; it was not intended
wind fog
Can we get a temporary channel thread for League MSI while its going on
Pretty please?!
rich plinth
you could go to a league msi server
wind fog
I could invite all the people in video games and general chat over there; but the community here is pretty fun
untold sequoia
You can create your own threads in #952328891584872488
wind fog
You can create your own threads in <#952328891584872488>
Oh thanks
tawdry parrot
I think disabling the myglam option of Kupo in beginners lounge should be a thing.
It's essentially the same as the me command and people tend to go into spam trains once someone posts it.
Also maybe slow moding, too.
simple vine
I'd agree with myglam since it has the same effect of !me in triggering a chain reaction and pushing up possible conversations or making it a bit inaccessible for people trying to ask questions. Would be better to use the designated channel for glamour discussions if it's necessary 
celest idol
The problem with slow mode is that its not constantly that active. A mod would have to do it dynamically for it to not be mainly annoying
simple vine
though I don't think it's necessary for a slow mode in beginner lounge personally, I'd point out lore spoilers does fine with it and has a similar community
tawdry parrot
^
safe mural
#archived-lore-spoilers has slowmode due to specific past incidents.
tawdry parrot
And in fairness, I have also made the same suggestion for discussion. :))
celest idol
depends on the delay I suppose, I'm not entirely opposed
simple vine
could discourage some of the arguments like the one had recently imo if people had more time between messages that's just my look on it though
modern stream
also discourages chatty people imo
i always dont want to talk much if there's slow mode because of how i usually type
tawdry parrot
Frankly, my other suggestion would simply be to nuke it as it seems excessive to have two general discussion channels when I know there's been a lot of comment regarding channel bloat in denying prior suggestions.
simple vine
it could help, due to how it's geared to beginners, though chatting has also been encouraged
celest idol
Frankly, my other suggestion would simply be to nuke it as it seems excessive to...
that seems excessive
safe mural
#beginner-lounge was highly requested and has a very active community. I'm not privy to blue stuff but as far as I know it doesn't have a higher rate of incidents compared to other channels.
normal tinsel
In all honesty, I’d like to point out that #beginner-lounge is not #questions-and-help. It’s a discussion place for sprouts with the only real rules being the general discord rules and no story spoilers, which is obeyed. I don’t particularly see the need for slow-mode to be there when it frequently deters chatters, as Violet said
simple vine
yet again though, the myglam spam can be disruptive to beginners and there have been arguments which have been uncomfortable to sit through for beginners and onlookers alike. I don't think disabling myglam or imposing a short timer would be a negative impact on the channel, but it depends on what the moderators think on the topic.
tawdry parrot
<#853841905762566145> was highly requested and has a very active community. I'm ...
Just a few minutes ago two users got muted for arguing. You have some people who are consistently rude and stirring up fights so.
You know. A few tools here and there wouldn't hurt the team in making it more friendly to them in keeping it clean of riff raff.
safe mural
I'm not sure why permanent slowmode is being requested just because there have been a few arguments in there.
pearl halo
^^
normal tinsel
Slow mode isn’t going to end arguments, they’ll occur regardless
tall cradle
arent arguments kind of inevitable even with slow mode (ex: rn)
whole abyss
My 2 cents. The lounge has been fine for the most part with chatty people and !myglam. These encourage conversation and never have I seen an instance where questions being pushed up are ignored
tawdry parrot
I'm not sure why permanent slowmode is being requested just because there have b...
A "few" is rather mild.
brazen yacht
Every other month we get "We should delete beginner's lounge" in here because people who dont use the lounge think we're redundant
There's a stable population of older players constantly welcoming new sprouts but no we're of course, useless
modern stream
yeah there's arguments everywhere
you can find them in literally every channel
#beginner-lounge isnt any different
whole abyss
If we have some specific individuals we wanna point out for constant arguments. #discord-modmail seems more appropriate instead of targeting the channel itself.
tall cradle
as someone whos considered a "beginner" here i feel like beginner's lounge gives me a safe space to talk to people and learn new things 
and even meet other beginners
pearl halo
Agruements are natural in a social app the only time it gets very serious is if it’s every hour of the day, but like what happen with those 2 people it got handled quite well by Chan. it could have been prevented of course but it’s the matter that it was stopped before it could have gotten even worse. The glam thing makes sense to get rid of but slow mode doesn’t when everyone is mostly tame
celest idol
Incidents will happen and recency is Imo not a good argument for permanent action
brazen yacht
There's no reason for slow mode just to stop myglam because its 90% of the time different people showing off at once. Its such a non-issue imo
tawdry parrot
It frankly is redundant when you have:
Discussion, beginners lounge, and questions and help. All which can encompass the same thing.
Even then, the my glam spam, the arguments are just the top of the iceberg.
The off topic, the misinformation. When there are multiple users and a free flowing chat channel, and limited staffing, I feel as though tools should be used to create an environment free of those things to encompass a healthier place for its intended use.
While I personally would rather it be nuked, that was not my initial suggestion. : )
normal tinsel
It frankly is redundant when you have:
Discussion, beginners lounge, and questio...
Off topic has explicitly been allowed multiple times. I have also never seen an incorrect response that wasn’t corrected by that individual or another immediately afterwards.
modern stream
It frankly is redundant when you have:
Discussion, beginners lounge, and questio...
like we said, arguments arent special to #beginner-lounge
off topic is a thing that very frequently happens in #general-discussion
misinformation is rarely given without backlash
simple vine
I don't think the myglam factor should be taken as an offense to anyone, it is true we do genuinely have a channel for quite literally glamour discussion which could be better, and whatever chats going on in beginner lounge could continue taking place rather than being interrupted by constant people having a separate conversation with big images. Seems fine enough to me.
brazen yacht
Beginner's lounge does not serve the same purpose as discusson OR questions and help. The fact that you think so frankly just shows that you dont actually use the channel and haven't stuck around long enough to know what it's for
I doubt in discussion you'd be willing to field a sprout every 5 minutes asking the same questions and answering them 400 times. That's what we do in beginner's lounge we take care of and welcome sprouts so they dont get drowned out in discussion. And so they also dont get stuck in #questions and help which is exclusively non-chatter
tawdry parrot
Off topic has explicitly been allowed multiple times. I have also *never* seen a...
I took a look at the pins and there is specifically one on there that says off topic is unacceptable in excess.
normal tinsel
And mods have stated several times that it is alright 
tawdry parrot
Please show the conflicting information. :)
modern jacinth
brazen yacht
The mods have participated in some offtopic as well. We've never had issue with off-topic drowning out questions cause they nearly always immediately get answered
Once again it's you dont use lounge so you think it's redundant when your arguments just show you dont know what we do
safe mural
In excess yes, but short tangents are fine as long as it doesn't disrupt people's ability to have FFXIV discussions.
#beginner-lounge serves to be just what it says, a lounge for beginners who are not comfortable using #general-discussion. #questions-and-help is purely for getting assistance with issues or questions, and doesn't allow extended discussion.
tawdry parrot
There aas an hour long conversation just today about snakes, Pokémon, dragon lore and God whatever else have you.
modern jacinth
#general-discussion is also the bane of my existence unlike the other two.
brazen yacht
So? Any questions that show up got answered, which was the point.
We weren't drowning out a newbie asking for help at any point
modern stream
Please show the conflicting information. :)
alright lemme look for the one where refia said that off topic is fine as long as someone isnt pushing to talk about ff
#beginner-lounge message
here ya go
simple vine
I mean, I use the lounge quite often as you can say and it's true there's some issues with off-topic. I think we can just agree that it probably doesn't need a slow timer and people in the lounge would hate that, but it should probably be a bit clearer between 'off topic chatter is fine', and what extended off topic discussion is.
whole abyss
I don't disagree on that extended off topics should be avoided. But we have enough 'police' in the chat that gives constant reminders tbh
brazen yacht
Generally off topic does get a little long, but we've never had problems with veering right back to ffxiv anytime somebody needs help. In fact often times a question that pops up gets 4 answers at the same time cause everyone immediately replies
celest idol
that sort of thing is impossible to define and would require semi constant overwatch by a mod imo
tawdry parrot
"Hello. On behalf on the staff team, we'd like to remind everyone that while this channel is a branch of #general-discussion catered to sprouts, it is still subject to conform to the rules. We've observed numerous counts of off topic discussion that has lasted hours. While a little off topic is accepted from time to time, the subject matter for some of these discussions were concerning, especially for a channel dedicated to sprouts. We will reinforce more moderation and observation as of now."
Is the pin as relayed by Nana.
safe mural
There is oversight on the channel by mentors most of the time.
modern jacinth
and if it gets out of hand
simple vine
I don't disagree on that extended off topics should be avoided. But we have enou...
and normally the argument is 'no chatter is worse than off topic chatter' and it carries on, to be fair. I don't care much personally what they decide to do but it's good to be aware of
modern jacinth
they send us in there
normal tinsel
"Hello. On behalf on the staff team, we'd like to remind everyone that while thi...
and it was due to a surge of very off-topic subjects that detracted from FFXIV discussion, which no longer occurs
brazen yacht
"Hello. On behalf on the staff team, we'd like to remind everyone that while thi...
What does copy and pasting the pin do? We know that's a rule and we're within it. If we go too long then a mentor or mod can bonk us.
And yeah like kaiyo said, that rule was mostly because there was a period where elden ring flooded every channel of this server and went nuts
tall cradle
violet's message is more recent rules and regulations can change depending on circumstances
hollow prairie
that was written in particular to off topic discussions that had worrisome implications
we're not nazis to ppl who do off topic
that was not and never the point
brazen yacht
The mods nudge us sometimes when we go on way too long and that's fine that's their job
hollow prairie
there is just channel lulls that happen on a daily basis, it's not a big deal
tawdry parrot
Then please clarify what is considered excessive and acceptable lengths of time for off topic discussion. :)
normal tinsel
That’s not possible on a subjective topic
modern jacinth
sacred lava
Then please clarify what is considered excessive and acceptable lengths of time ...
🤏👓🤨
safe mural
If you're concerned about a particular discussion being too extensive/disruptive, you can notify a mod, or more likely a mentor for a small-scale issue like that.
modern jacinth
fast channel and off topic would be like 2 minutes
brazen yacht
It's just "Yeah maybe you should move" there's no "hey we will tell you to move at 300 messages of off topic"
modern jacinth
but a slow channel could be 2-3 hours
tawdry parrot
And, to further that request, please denote what is acceptable discussion for a beginners lounge because I do not believe myglam spam is necessary?
modern jacinth
with the same number of messages in both
we could just do the same thing to it that we did to #general-discussion
celest idol
i agree that myglam spam can clog the channel at times
simple vine
I'd like to bring this back to the myglam situation which I think was a decent point; could we instead encourage beginners to look at the designated channel and show them the rest of the discord rather than myglam spam in the beginner lounge? I don't think it would impact the community in beginners much, and could be beneficial to presenting the channel as something available for people to talk in
modern stream
And, to further that request, please denote what is acceptable discussion for a ...
none of us have said !myglam was necessary 💀
safe mural
The myglam issue is separate from the off-topic issue. I'd be in favour of disabling the command in the channel too tbh
modern jacinth
can just ask Eanae to disable it in there
normal tinsel
I dont particularly mind that either way, imo
brazen yacht
I dont mind turning off myglam, my point was that slow mode does nothing for myglam spam because it's multiple people posting !myglam at once, which wouldn't be affected by slowmode
modern jacinth
and that problem is solved
tawdry parrot
That would be great!
modern stream
yeah if people want to use !myglam they can just copy paste the image from #kupo-bot-spam
normal tinsel
that’s my only qualm is if someone sends a glam, the response will likely be the same
safe mural
Removing the !me command from #general-discussion curtailed the spam, the issue is how easy it is to just do it without thinking. If someone wants to go to the effort of doing the command in #kupo-bot-spam and then copypasting it in, then well, they probably wanna have a discussion about it too.
brazen yacht
I dont really have a problem with myglam tbh, but if it's disruptive then an extra step to show off would probably slow it down a lot more
hoary garden
If the central point of contention here is that the Beginner's Lounge "frequently covers too broad a range of topics" and is in practice simply a second Discussion, and allowing that beginning players seem to feel more welcomed/less threatened by Beginner's than by Discussion (as people have attested to here), then that seems to me to be less a concern about the moderation in Beginner's and more a troubling indictment on the community behaviour in Discussion.
pearl halo
This has gone on for quite a bit
modern jacinth
beginner lounge is meant to be a second discussion channel to begin with
namely for...
you guessed it
safe mural
Being "a second discussion that is more aimed at beginners" is precisely the mission statement of #beginner-lounge
modern jacinth
newbies.
brazen yacht
Beginners lounge also fields most of the repetitive questions about the beginning of the game, if you combined the channels you end up pushing all of that into discussions
tawdry parrot
Alla kind of hit it on the head with : troubling indictment on the community.
normal tinsel
of #general-discussion, not beginner lounge
safe mural
This isn't necessarily an indictment on #general-discussion users, just that beginners may be overwhelmed or confused by the discussions that happen there, etc. compared to a place which caters to them.
modern jacinth
#general-discussion also has a case of people giving misleading answers way more often cause they act like everyone has cleared all MSQ content
brazen yacht
Yeah I've accidentally given bad info in lounge before and im like 99% of the time immediately corrected. Lounge has a higher population of users that take care to actually have correct info imo