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scenic patrol
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Because if it's not the best of times to start in savage right now

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Doable, but very trappy due to how the community functions in regards to raiding

fervent smelt
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casual for now

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ill probably start savage next expan

lyric summit
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you can try some extreme trials once you gear up to get used to the difficulty

scenic patrol
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Ex trials are more lax in difficulty and getting into em is easier

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Since they are less prone into what I would call the trappening of PF

quick verge
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nah they're full trap

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it's pf we're talking about

scenic patrol
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Yeah, but imagine trying to get a Chaos PF 2 chest clear

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It's infinitely more trappy because vets can't help clear it

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Due to how weekly resets are for savage

quick verge
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okay but imagine

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the average savage pf trap

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but you multiply that by the amount

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of uhhh

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brain cells they have functioning

wet stag
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That makes them like

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Not trappy at all

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Which is wrong

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It should be divide that by the number of brain cells that have functioning

quick verge
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nah you need at least

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4 brain cells to turn on your pc

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and enter your login info

wet stag
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My point stands to

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Tho*

quick verge
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so you have trap level 100/(7*4)

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compared to

wet stag
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Oh

quick verge
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100(7*4)

wet stag
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U meant trap as in

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A person

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Not party

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Mb

quick verge
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what

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huh

wet stag
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Idk

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I'm confused

quick verge
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?

wet stag
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Where'd the 7 come from

quick verge
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what

wet stag
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Ok thanks

quick verge
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there's 7 people

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with 4 brain cells each

wet stag
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Math 2 hard

quick verge
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i agree

uncut charm
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that's why people can't do construct 7

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FeelsBadMan

quick verge
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construct 7 makes me want to deconstruct myself

unreal flax
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That's actually funny lol

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But yeah, EX fights in PF are just as trappy as savage, potentially moreso

quick verge
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you ever see enrage on tsukuyomi ex

unreal flax
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Cuz...

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I only ever saw enrage in PF.

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That's why I only ever got the axe from that fight. The shit dropped during the farm that a friend snuck me into, and PF never cleared again.

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I didn't even play WAR back then.

quick verge
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tHe StAlKs ArE cAsT aNd ThE fAtEs HavE sPoKeN
tHeRe WiLl Be No dAwN fOr DoMa--OnLy NiGhT uNeNdInG

unreal flax
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Now that I think about it, I'm always getting WAR and SCH stuff in drops. Got the Genji, Tsukuyomi, Suzaku axes, and I got the Susano, Genji, Byakko, Diamond books lol.

errant kayak
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now hold up construct 7 is fun

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and not knowing what a prime number is is not a valid excuse

unreal flax
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mentor: "1 is a prime number"

fringe granite
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True statement

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You can't really divide 1 by anything

unreal flax
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That's both the reason for and the reason against it being a prime lol

scarlet flame
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Just hit 60 with samurai, should I grab the hellfire gear to hold me over?

unreal flax
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If you don't already have the Shire gear, go for it. If you're using Poetics, just jump straight to the Shire Pankratist's set

normal sable
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1 Isn't prime

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Also yea don't waste on hellfire

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shire is far better

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and can be augmented

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augmented pank shire accessories are literally the best tome investment you can make since they're usable by MNK/SAM/DRG/WAR/PLD/DRK

winged wasp
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Hey guys just a quick question, is it possible to downgrade eureka gear? For example, from Anemos down to +2. Need it for ucob

lyric summit
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no, you have to farm crystals again and upgrade it from antiquated again

valid gate
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couldn't quite pad hard enough

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it's fine ill take it

quick verge
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get 2 asts

blazing pelican
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RDM doing 8k DPS monkaS

quick verge
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yeah rdm is op class

quaint flower
quick verge
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indeed

blazing pelican
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Just DH Crit every Foul

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Easy

quick verge
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dcrit every spell

quaint flower
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wipe if didn't happen ez

fossil basalt
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~10k deeps monkaS

quick verge
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can get 10k ez with 2 asts

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powerful

dull radish
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sounds about right haha

quick verge
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is it really a pad if an ast doesn't get any spires/ewers

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and you're highest dps

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๐Ÿ˜

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@steep iris does

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uwu

dull radish
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but yeah, I'm not a big fan of padding haha

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and I do pretty alright without it~

boreal edge
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you either 100

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or you are baddie

quick verge
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true

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im bad

steep iris
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padding is fun

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fite me

boreal edge
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no u

steep iris
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i don't pad myself but it's fun to pad other people

boreal edge
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i like to pad grey ppl so they become purple

quick verge
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the best part of padding is joining frey's parties with mildly skilled players

boreal edge
quick verge
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that way they can carry me

steep iris
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i mean if you actually wanted to gauge someone's abilities you'd look at medians

quick verge
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what if they pad all of their runs

steep iris
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/shrug

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i'm wary of most orange medians

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cause they either hide logs or that

boreal edge
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medians are meme

dull radish
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I usually just look for a person's best non-padded parse

quick verge
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memedians

steep iris
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it could be real but most of the time it's usually hidden logs

dull radish
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and I get annoyed if I have to go down pretty far to find one

boreal edge
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i could get orange medians if i just upload my orange logs

steep iris
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that's what i'm addressing rn spearya lol

dull radish
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xiva is pretty neat to see how badly folks play regardless of numbers, too

steep iris
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I plug my own logs into xivrdps to see how much rdps my cards gave

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this week's 9s, 1k from balance alone

quick verge
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1k

steep iris
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and like 150 from spear and arrow combined iirc

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๐Ÿ‘Œ

boreal edge
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i cant plug my logs into xivrdps cause it give me errors to open site

quick verge
steep iris
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i also padded my blm one run in 9s and got 850 rdps from giving him solo cards

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iirc

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middle column is how much rdps the whole raid got from the buff

boreal edge
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@steep iris pad me hard so i lactate

steep iris
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if you hover over the -# on the right

quick verge
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ok i get it

steep iris
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it'll tell you how much rdps the individual got from each raid buff

quick verge
steep iris
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@boreal edge get on primal and join my weekend pad pfs ๐Ÿ‘€

boreal edge
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but but

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270 ms

steep iris
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monkaS

boreal edge
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your padding will cost me doubleweaving

quick verge
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how did i not know this

boreal edge
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@quick verge slashing

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is your biggest buff

steep iris
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10% of his dps so it seems about right

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~500 for slashing alone, ~300 from other raid buffs

quick verge
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the real pad is slashing debuff

steep iris
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also big fan of contagion

quick verge
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๐Ÿ˜

dull radish
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I would also like contagion <3

steep iris
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i don't get contagion ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

quick verge
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yeah contagion is pretty nice when misaligned so it can fit in my req window

steep iris
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would have done 4.1-4.2k with contagion

quick verge
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nah it's garuda that's popular

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not toxic

boreal edge
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fkn toxic pld main

quick verge
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nah i just said im not toxic

boreal edge
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you cant tell yourself you arent toxic when ppl say you are

quick verge
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okay but you're from chaos so you don't count

boreal edge
steep iris
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biscuit is really toxic

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he provoked byakko so he wouldn't get ot tornado marker

quick verge
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look

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just do more damage and that wouldn't happen

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wow that sounds really toxic

steep iris
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๐Ÿ˜ฉ

quick verge
steep iris
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got healed by the powerful rico yamazaki tho

quick verge
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who

steep iris
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!charlogs behemoth rico yamazaki

storm frostBOT
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FFLogs Data (Damage)

Number of Logs Displayed capped at 15

**Chaos**

Black Mage: (3384/4513) [6205 DPS] [25 Historical] [9:06]
Ninja: (1649/3299) [5717 DPS] [50 Historical] [9:22]
Scholar: (112/11282) [4719 DPS] [99 Historical] [6:42]

**Midgardsormr**

Warrior: (4031/7072) [4099 DPS] [43 Historical] [10:23]
Scholar: (87/8778) [3886 DPS] [99 Historical] [8:07]
Dark Knight: (1969/2402) [3533 DPS] [18 Historical] [10:11]

**Omega**

Paladin: (2573/4595) [4213 DPS] [44 Historical] [11:01]
Scholar: (124/6205) [3879 DPS] [99 Historical] [8:46]
Astrologian: (12/603) [3317 DPS] [98 Historical] [11:05]

**Omega-M and Omega-F**

Scholar: (28/2880) [3811 DPS] [99 Historical] [6:14]

**The Final Omega**

Scholar: (74/2477) [3854 DPS] [97 Historical] [8:54]

**Weapon's Refrain (Ultimate)**

Scholar: (106/836) [2206 DPS] [87 Historical] [15:12]

quick verge
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oh that's pretty powerful

steep iris
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yea that was our healer

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in those byakko runs

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๐Ÿ‘€

quick verge
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my current objective is clear o12s so i can be toxic to healers

zinc vortex
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thanks

quick verge
zinc vortex
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based

quick verge
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my second objective to join one of memories' pfs so i can rescue them into aoes

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for the first beyond defense

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uhhhh

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in a way that won't get each other killed

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melee on cardinals usually

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ranged somewhere not on the boss

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yes

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for uh

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superliminal steel(?)

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melee usually take cardinals

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and ranged do w/e

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2 groups

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1 goes west of eye

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1 goes south of eye

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south will adjust for resonance

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oh

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after pile pitch

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mt drags omega center

lyric summit
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keep it on the edge, move middle for the 2nd suppression

quick verge
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faces towards eye

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no that's

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after

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uhhh

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the knockback

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where they drag it center

lyric summit
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or you can keep it on the edge away from the eye facing outside and have people adjust

quick verge
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sounds big brain

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nty

lyric summit
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probably some glaxy brain blm no movement strat

quick verge
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yeah

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people stack southeast for pile pitch during blade

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relative to eye

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hahahaha

last galleon
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are you getting desperate

quick verge
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just uh

last galleon
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i know i did with my trash static and ended up pugging o12s

quick verge
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stay with your static

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and learn to drink and play

last galleon
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idk if i got lucky but the two groups i got were not bad at all

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we either 1 shot door or took 2 tries each lockout

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this was for HW2+ prog parties

steep iris
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@wheat gate you're gonna have hell with pugs

last galleon
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memories you're used to unreal strat for HW right?

steep iris
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rot issues or wat

quick verge
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that's the pug strat

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for hw

last galleon
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yeah

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so if you know it pugging it shouldn't be too different

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but make sure people are actually talking about unreal strat when they say it

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i've gotten into a party where they claimed unreal then linked the fucking fennek gif

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wanted to kms

steep iris
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ayy lmao

last galleon
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primal

steep iris
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my static uses the fennek strat

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i don't think it's that big of a difference

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iirc

last galleon
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yea

steep iris
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healers just further

last galleon
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it's mostly a pain for healers running to narnia for no reason

quick verge
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uwu

steep iris
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if your comp is ast/sch there shouldn't be a problem

last galleon
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like it's one thing to make adjustments for uptime or whatever, but the intercard defamations literally have no purpose in that strat

steep iris
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CU+large asp. helios+COpp

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and maybe st regen short and non blue tank

quick verge
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do you die if you eat 2 defamations

last galleon
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if you have defam debuff and you get hit by a defam

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you insta die

quick verge
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nice

steep iris
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at the same time ya

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different times no

last galleon
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if you have nothing and get hit by two defams you might just take the damage. i'm not super sure about this though.

steep iris
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nah i think you still die

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usually how the defamation wipes go

last galleon
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well if you die from the pure damage then your own defam will go off and chain react a wipe most likely

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i've heard people say they survived the pure damage but it's not something i'd bother to verify

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yea same

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like 20 ticks lul

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khira is gonna fix it once the new uploader is rolled out, last i heard

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but for now we just have to deal with 50-100dps loss each time

steep iris
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new uploader?

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๐Ÿ‘€

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or just a new version

last galleon
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supposedly someone is rewriting their uplo;ader

steep iris
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oooo

last galleon
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and so a lot of fixes are kinda blocked on that

steep iris
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also doesn't shadowflare work on both m/f

last galleon
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mm?

steep iris
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regardless of debuff

last galleon
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the problem is SMN ticks get wrongly attributed to SCH because fflogs doesn't have originator information

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and for some reason it just tends to get that attribution wrong a lot in m/f

steep iris
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rip

last galleon
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so on a regular fight i'd lose like 80+dps outside of my control

quick verge
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inverse padding

steep iris
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wow i can't believe biscuit is toxic

quick verge
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no!!!!

last galleon
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i think with the new uploader khira is addressing the dot stealing after firewall too?

steep iris
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that's how it goes

last galleon
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yeah m/f is really wonky for logs atm

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i think some of it might be end of fight issues?

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like some damage gets counted as overkill, some doesn't

quick verge
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wow

steep iris
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overkill maybe?

quick verge
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i can't believe you left dwt without deathflare

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i mean m/f don't "die" until both reach 0

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or 1

last galleon
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but sometimes they'll do that then chain another laser shower cast

steep iris
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ya but they can get stuck in actions

last galleon
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so i don't know what fflogs treats as the 'end' in that case

dull radish
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there's a lot that's annoying about m/f parsing haha

quick verge
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i don't see why it wouldn't count though

steep iris
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so they will keep doing w/e action

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overkill doesn't count

dull radish
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^

steep iris
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i've had quite a lot of m/f logs with substantial overkill iirc ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

quick verge
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100% overkill

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right

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/s

last galleon
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the gcd was not worth it...........

quick verge
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should've told your ast to give an enhanced arrow

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smh

last galleon
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gain 12 pot lose a deathflare

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risk outweighs the reward imo lol

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it's ok just teasing โค

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i whiff deathflares when someone dies and i get distracted.

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i

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saw

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that

quick verge
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nice

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fwey wuna is a degen

steep iris
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OwO

quick verge
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i remember this one pull of o11s i accidentally ended two combos with shield lob instead of ra/goring

last galleon
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that is a really strange combo breaker

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were you going to disengage or something

quick verge
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fat finger

steep iris
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do you do actually press 7890

quick verge
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sometimes

last galleon
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ah

steep iris
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stop using default keybinds

quick verge
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eat my ass

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changing keybinds is hard

steep iris
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i use
12345
qert
fg
zxcv

quick verge
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i tried it once in o8s and i died to graven knockback mashing the previous tempered will button

steep iris
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it takes like 1-2 days to get used to it

zinc vortex
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good job idiot

steep iris
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1 week worst case

quick verge
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1-2 days too long

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i get really triggered when things change

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brb pull

quick verge
steep iris
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ew

quick verge
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nah

quick verge
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okay o11s with pugs

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bets on what will go wrong

exotic tusk
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Everything

quick verge
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my drk is a chad

quick verge
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ok turns out that dcing is the #1 cause of wipes

stable sphinx
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If this is really the #1 cause of wipes, it could not be that bad. :D

wet stag
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Regarding padding

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If it's the kind of no effort padding that's just solo balances and drg tethers I'm not a fan

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But if it's a god pad that takes effort from everyone to do

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Like raffter's 7k on 5s

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Huge fuckin respect

quick verge
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the only god pad will be the 10k dps blm

wet stag
high ether
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has there been such a thing yet?

quick verge
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that's actually a really chad comp

high ether
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what the fuck man

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warrior goes HAM on train

quick verge
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they press IR on adds

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and decimate

wet stag
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Yeah but

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That's a good pad

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Bc they did shit like save trick or whatever

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U know

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A pad that actually took effort

high ether
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i hated how when i did o5 with the WAR from my former static he'd burn straight through the ghosts and be out in a second while i actually had to tank through the tankbuster

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i was not edgy enough to beat that

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sadly his latency wasn't low enough for war strat

wet stag
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Did you play drk

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If you did

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You could kill it before the buster

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Not fast enough to skip, but barely fast enough to avoid the buster completely

scenic patrol
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How the heck did he burn though the ghost without IR

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And if he had IR

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It's an even bigger thonk

wet stag
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sadly his latency wasn't low enough for war strat

scenic patrol
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Saving IR for ghost still

stable basin
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I completed my rainbow

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!whologs @stable basin

storm frostBOT
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FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Chaos**

Dark Knight: (371/5305) [5200 DPS] [95 Historical] [7:45]
Paladin: (1764/8404) [4642 DPS] [79 Historical] [9:11]

**Midgardsormr**

Dark Knight: (384/3494) [4458 DPS] [93 Historical] [10:06]

**Omega**

Dark Knight: (669/2230) [4782 DPS] [70 Historical] [10:04]

**Omega-M and Omega-F**

Dark Knight: (740/1371) [4355 DPS] [46 Historical] [7:24]

**The Final Omega**

Dark Knight: (737/888) [4781 DPS] [17 Historical] [10:16]

high ether
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yeah he did

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that was why he was in and out

stable basin
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Died to the stupid arm thing because I went way out with my fire circle and forgot to go back lol

high ether
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but he didn't quite load fast enough

scenic patrol
high ether
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he couldn't have been off by much

wet stag
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Why not just

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Pad on adds then

high ether
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what?

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what does that have to do with war strat?

wet stag
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Ir decimate the adds

scenic patrol
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If you are not skipping the ghosts for your team you should IR pad the adds

high ether
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oh

scenic patrol
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And plenty of people could do ghost skip

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Every melee

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RDM

high ether
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I don't think it even mattered

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it might've been normal mode too, it's been quite some time ago

wet stag
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Uh

high ether
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we disbanded our static after o3s because it nearly broke the FC apart

wet stag
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There's no tank ghost in normal

scenic patrol
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Normal mode doesn't have a buster on the ghost

high ether
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yeah I know

scenic patrol
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It's just whacking on it til it dies

high ether
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you don't need to insult me with a rare pepe paissasquint

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I just very distinctly remember me starting to hit my rotation on a ghost when he suddenly said "done!" over voice chat

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and I was like "what the fuck man" and he just said "fell cleave"

wet stag
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Lmao

high ether
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fucking fell cleave

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I would trade in any of my skills for fell cleave

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even The Blackest Night

wet stag
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Even tho bloodspiller is more potency

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Ok

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Blocked

high ether
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I was joking, I wouldn't trade in The Blackest Night even for Akh Morn

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but I would trade in Bloodspiller or Plunge

quick verge
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im actually mad

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faye this is your fault

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don't talk to me

scenic patrol
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Yikes

quick verge
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even had a bard to bait panties 2

scenic patrol
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Why would you play without slashing?

quick verge
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because it's 8pm and im tired

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and i want my weekly clear

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oh almost 9pm

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was a nice run

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anyway this is faye's fault

mossy fox
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Would I have a hard time being invited to end-game raid type stuff as a White Mage healer instead of as a Scholar or as an Astrologian?

lyric summit
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no

mossy fox
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cool beans!

fringe granite
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But you will be expected to know all the things

stable basin
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Arenโ€™t they super against those DPS boards, whatever theyโ€™re called?

quick verge
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Square doesn't care

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as long as you don't mention you're using a parser in game

torn kindle
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or using the numbers to harass people

quick verge
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falls under mentioning it

scenic patrol
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Not mentioning, mentioning is mostly fine, just don't be an asshole

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Anyhow the amount that square actually cares about ToS breaking is close to none aside from when peoples feelings were hurt

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You can buy clears, buy Gil, parse, mod, zoom hack, hack the game to get higher dps than possible and you won't get banned

unreal flax
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remember the single player enfeeblement items being used in ex trials? lol

quaint flower
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Whether se decides to act or not depends how big the drama is, if unga bunga wouldn't be sky rocketed through reddit we would still have it today

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In case of ACT they do not act because they kind of can't, unless you will say it in the chat they can't prove you are using it

boreal edge
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idk if m/f is a fucking curse to my static or what sometimes we pass shield/blades fine then we start wiping at shield/blades followed by wipes at earlier parts of fight that we seen millions of times already

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its been fucken 5 weeks now

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fucken hell m/f is a savage fight on its own not even close to faust

unreal flax
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Isn't M/F almost twice as long as Kefka?

boreal edge
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its 8 mins fight

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kefka was 6:55

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so its 1 min longer except

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you can afk 1 min in kefka

unreal flax
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Oh, yeah, that's not so bad.

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lololol

boreal edge
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there is no breaks on m/f

unreal flax
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I see.

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I'll never see it, but that's interesting to know.

boreal edge
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the fight is no joke

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its alot harder than even o11s

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and o10s

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which is supposed to be faust like

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i got this reply from balance when i was ranting about it

unreal flax
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Wow.

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That's pretty nuts.

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I don't know, man. Maybe I'll get back into raiding and shit. Maybe one day.

stable basin
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Final has like 3 mechanics in it

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prolly super braindead as dps where you only need to be awake during HW

steep iris
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don't even need to be awake

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you just look at your debuff

hybrid rapids
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Is it such a hard thing?

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I know I was in a group of 7 cleared

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But it doesnโ€™t feel hard at all

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The dash and combos

steep iris
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i don't think it's that hard either

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i think it's more like maybe someone always messing up

hybrid rapids
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Yes, maybe someone always trying to move at last second I think

steep iris
#

cause it's really easy to mess up in m/f

stable basin
#

Shield and dice are the only hard parts of MF but dice is pretty simple to execute once you understand it

steep iris
#

and if you mess up+don't have good dps

#

or over mitigate

#

no lb3

boreal edge
#

dice is easy

#

shield is what cause issues to us

steep iris
#

people not stacking/spreading in time?

stable basin
#

I keep getting clipped by the last bladework on shield >.>

steep iris
#

you can go out immediately after cast ends

#

don't have to wait for animation

hybrid rapids
#

Try to identify the issue

#

You have been stuck too long on it

steep iris
#

ya

hybrid rapids
#

Compared to ex death, it should be easier

steep iris
#

5 weeks is too long

boreal edge
#

sometimes ppl not spread far enough / sometimes ppl cant make it to beyond strength / sometimes lack of healing at fire spread / sometimes ppl not run asap after beyond strength / sometimes tanks get no healing before the swap

steep iris
#

wat's your healer comp

stable basin
#

just go out and in and out again until they run out of mechanics

#

ez

boreal edge
#

ast/whm

steep iris
#

o...

hybrid rapids
#

Do swiftcast or earthly

#

Itโ€™s doable

boreal edge
#

we seen last phase like

#

5 times so far

steep iris
#

if your ast ES on cd (with small delay somewhere)

boreal edge
#

no

#

its used in fire spread

steep iris
#

1st one pops beyond defnese

#

2nd one after fire spread

boreal edge
#

right after stack on pile pitch

steep iris
#

3rd one top people off before dice

#

4th one shield/blade

#

5th one top people off before dice again

#

6th one shield/blade

#

7th is lb phase

boreal edge
#

he is doing exactly that

steep iris
#

i also pop my ES before fire

hybrid rapids
#

I think itโ€™s better to give log to analyse the issue, latest wipes

steep iris
#

during shield

hybrid rapids
#

Maybe in the balance

steep iris
#

so beyond defense>pop ES>fire 3 spread

#

then I CU when everybody stacks on male after spread

boreal edge
#

i still think its just consistency

steep iris
#

also does one of your healer stay middle

#

during shield

hybrid rapids
#

Hmm, consistency is something maybe you have to work on ya

boreal edge
#

stay mid during shield?

steep iris
#

after beyond defense

#

everybody else spread but your healer

hybrid rapids
#

Imagine always taking 60-80% of lockout time on m/f, and left the little for final

boreal edge
#

we all stack in mid after bliz

hybrid rapids
#

No

#

Frey meant after

steep iris
#

u know how everybody spreads for fire 3 after beyond defense

#

just let 1 healer stay middle so they can cast w/e heal

hybrid rapids
#

7 people easier to spread too

boreal edge
#

i will see if its possible

#

to have healer adjust

steep iris
#

this way they can get 1 gcd heal off

#

on everybody

boreal edge
#

so far blades is no issue anymore to us

hybrid rapids
#

Spearya should learn healer paissaowo

boreal edge
#

shield still is

hybrid rapids
#

Healers play an important role

#

On progress speed

boreal edge
#

last thing i healed from raiding standpoint was coil

steep iris
#

well other than that do you know what other thing causes deaths/wipes

boreal edge
#

as i listed above

#

its either 1 of those if its not 2+ stuff mixed together

hybrid rapids
#

But at least seeing enrage several time?

#

Might get better

boreal edge
#

we seen last phase 5 times

#

and in all of em cosmo memory wiped us

steep iris
#

people should know how to estimate fire 3 size from before split

#

if someone's too far and male chooses them then :D D:

boreal edge
#

it didnt take me much to stop fucking up shield/blades

steep iris
#

well, even if m doesn't choose them they prob won't be able to reach anyway

#

if they want they can also sprint

boreal edge
#

but yeah that shit been roadblock for long time

steep iris
#

you can also ask them to pug on their free time

#

just to help with consistency

boreal edge
#

we been at this shit for what now

#

25 hours

#

5 weeks

steep iris
#

1 guy on ultros selling all rakshasa gear at 180k :woah:

#

avg price is 500k

boreal edge
#

ppl still need i380?

stable basin
#

That's how much hot tail it took for me to leave my first static

boreal edge
#

its week 10 now

steep iris
#

i need for alt job

#

my war and caster are i375/376

#

:(

boreal edge
#

hot tail was shit yes

#

but it took us like 5 hours to pass it without issues

steep iris
#

hot tail wasn't a big issue for my previous static

#

exa morn was tho T_T

#

my co week 1 and week 2 super chad

hybrid rapids
#

I just...heal a lot

boreal edge
#

also we were under ddos attack by then

#

which didnt help us too

hybrid rapids
#

Honest healer tsun

boreal edge
#

that cencelled nights

#

idk how long HW2 will hold us

steep iris
#

i don't think hw2 is that bad assuming everybody actually studies what's going on

#

cause it's the same as hw1

stable basin
#

It's the same movement as HW1

steep iris
#

the only thing that people have to "change" is that people have to actually make sure they past their rot

stable basin
#

Just like need to be careful not to run through the aids station too early

steep iris
#

or make sure they're away if they have rot

#

patch and hw1 will be a big wall

stable basin
#

I did wipe us on HW2 today because the healer stood off to the side for the rescue and I didn't make sure I got his cooties

steep iris
#

oh

#

and someone will 100%

#

move out of tower too early

#

rite of passage

stable basin
#

lol

steep iris
#

still happens in my weeklies REE

stable basin
#

Tank getting minced by autos is common too especially if you have blue tank take it to start

steep iris
#

ya

#

if defamation tank vokes late

#

then other tank ded hehe

#

also tank hp immediately after hw is very scary

#

same thing after archive all stack/spread

stable basin
#

Healing short stack dps and the two tower dps before ion both seem scary

#

basically everything about healing HW

steep iris
#

healing defamation targets before ion efflux ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

#

i always need to helios and ask for indom

hybrid rapids
#

HW2 I did a lot mistakes on not moving fast away after passed pinky debuff

#

It exploded in like 3 seconds flat after passed ?

steep iris
#

i think i killed my co this week

hybrid rapids
#

lmao

steep iris
#

cause i ran back in a little to st regen short stack/tank

#

... my static uses fennek strat mewpaissa

#

and then my co died to my rot

hybrid rapids
#

Have them change it to unreal

steep iris
#

too late T_T

#

it's ok tho that wasn't clear run

hybrid rapids
#

Fennek is very alike unreal

#

But healers in range

steep iris
#

also still mildly tilted that we didn't kill before 2nd archive all

hybrid rapids
#

lol

steep iris
#

kill could've been 20 seconds shorter

#

:(

hybrid rapids
#

Iโ€™m happy if kill before program omega

#

That thing is hard to heal

steep iris
#

391k hp remaining before we have to move

#

then arm has 440k hp

scenic patrol
#

most of the bad things I heard about Fennek can be fixed with coordination

#

but then again if you are gonna coordinate

#

might as well use Unreal Uptime

#

or a more braindead prog strat like GTL

hybrid rapids
#

Agree

heavy beacon
#

looking for a pug for o9s,
only healer needed,
healer joins,
we do dps out strat,
he leaves because he doesnt like the strat

#

wat

#

why do pugs not do dps out

quick verge
#

small brains

glossy musk
#

I've noticed that

#

Ironically it's the easier strat too

#

there's no movement needed other than a small wiggle

#

versus running back to position

stable basin
quaint flower
#

dps out is actually uptime strat which a lot of people do not understand

#

it is claimed as a noob strat while in reality it is completely other way around

quick verge
#

real uptime strat is line strat

quaint flower
#

line strat?

#

what is that

quick verge
#

uhhhh

#

lemme see if i can find a diagram

dull radish
#

you have melee kill each other with blaze using arms length. Caster and ranged kill each other

#

caster with surecast, ranged just gets knocked away

dull radish
#

tanks/healers get hit by ranged blaze

quaint flower
#

that would require to press role actions buttons, not possible in pug

dull radish
#

well they can always take the knockback if they really want to

quaint flower
#

but it will be double knockback right?

#

and they will die

dull radish
#

no, it's a singular knockback

quaint flower
#

i mean if you will stack both of them

dull radish
#

nobody is in a position to get hit by two

#

you don't get knocked away from your own blaze

quaint flower
#

I misunderstood, nevermind EZ

dull radish
#

audi stacks?

quick verge
#

i heard that's wonky a wonky strat

#

and can get killed

#

๐Ÿค”

lyric summit
#

yeah something something latency

dull radish
#

yeah sometimes it registers damage in the wrong order

#

so you take the lethal damage before the tiny damage, and the tiny damage kills you

#

it "works" but sometimes the game will just outright kill you if it feels like it

quick verge
#

russian roulette but your latency is the gun

glossy musk
#

Interesting, I like it

#

Is the gain only one GCD?

#

due to the knock-up from big bang

quick verge
#

mmmm

#

about there

#

yeah

#

it's easy to do

#

but the downside as stated before

#

possibly dying because xd

dull radish
#

also if your GCD line up for big bang you can sometimes barely lose any time, if any at all

autumn agate
#

Is there any way to buy the Creation stuff with Mendacity?

fringe granite
#

Mats or gear?

autumn agate
#

Gear.

fringe granite
#

Nope

autumn agate
#

Why is this game like this ; ;

fringe granite
#

Creation gear is bought with centurio seals

autumn agate
#

I'm so sad.

fringe granite
#

Go do some HW or SB hunts

autumn agate
#

Ty for your help

fringe granite
#

Np

lament dawn
#

lol killed byakko ex before 2nd tiger phase ended due to insane dps.

lyric summit
#

ehh i wouldn't call it "insane", just "people who know how to play their jobs properly which rarely happens in PF"

boreal edge
#

byakko is i340

#

now we are i400

#

you skip shit now

fringe granite
#

I'm not

#

I'm only 378

dull radish
#

it's still being rather overgeared and whatnot for the fight, it can be over super fast with even decent dps, let alone good dps

fringe granite
#

I've only ever actually killed hakutei once

boreal edge
#

by the time you kill tiger again ( or tank LB3 his attack )

#

byakko is low 30%

scenic patrol
#

byakko was doable with 320

#

a proper group should not see second Tiger I think

stable basin
#

Wish you could skip intermission

quaint flower
#

By proper group you mean sHC static pepothink

boreal edge
#

well he isnt wrong

#

byakko dps check is 1500 less than o1s

wet stag
#

But the retarded downtime

#

I think I'll only farm byakko once we can kill before intermission haha

scenic patrol
#

lul

#

at that point you wouldn't even need to do the stack mechanic

#

just let tanks CD through them

stable basin
#

ppl already do no stack

#

It was kinda annoying last tier but now p sure it's just rampart and have fun

#

Real mad that tbn is like 1 second too short for it

scenic patrol
#

you can Shadow Wall it

#

could then, can now

stable basin
#

Rampart comfy

#

:blobmorning:

wet stag
#

Or you know

#

At least fast enough that you can just afk through the intermission

#

And not die

thorn bear
#

i'm super late but byakko had a low dps check for deltascape lol

#

I think it was like sub 20k

#

so really you shouldn't have seen enrage or 30+% on hakutei

#

but you did

#

for some reason

wet stag
#

byakko

#

deltascape

boreal edge
#

byakko had 18k rdps

#

also its EX primal in 4.2

#

so after delta

steep iris
#

you'd be surprised at the dps in older ex primal farms

#

dps doing 2k-4k in 380 gear

boreal edge
#

why i need to do 5k dps when echo allow me to reach there by doing 3500 dps

lyric summit
#

byakko kill mid add explosion cast

#

pretty meh dps

boreal edge
#

lol at those fake oranges

boreal edge
#

last 2 weeks parses show 50 mchs so no wonder @lyric summit

#

its 73%

wet stag
#

without slashing btw

boreal edge
#

75% of tanks fighting over aggro

wet stag
#

not in jp

boreal edge
#

20% of tanks no longer run ridorana

#

5% not i400 yet

wet stag
#

yea

#

literally free 99s

boreal edge
#

i saw a pf of mch asked to be padded in ridorana run and then he pad ppl

lyric summit
#

can't even pad 24mans properly cause there's a high risk of drooling casuals failing every mechanic

quick verge
#

you need the ultra pad comp

#

6 nin

#

some schs

#

some asts

high ether
#

DoNt StAnD iN tHe FiUrRrRh

lyric dawn
#

Whats FFXIV endgame like

#

Asking for a friend

#

Idk how to explain it

lyric summit
#

pve oriented

#

casual endgame content gets pretty boring, challenging content takes time and organized groups to do

rapid sapphire
#

current end game is a couple expert dungeons you only really play for tomestones and to cry that the minion won't drop. then there's alphascape where the other players are the real challenge (findong ones who can be on the right when the boss does somethong on its left)

#

(off topic of dungeons and alphascape) of course I can't decide on the other end game, glamour (black mage weapon to be exact) sofieRIP

full wave
#

Endgame consists of running roulettes, 8 man extreme trials, 8 man Normal and Savage raids, 24 man raids, pvp (very small community) and of course glamour. @lyric dawn

#

Oh right amd them there's Eureka and Deep Dungeon

high ether
#

fights are very scripted but have a lot of mechanical complexity to them

full wave
#

And running treasure maps

high ether
#

and the pace of the combat is based on bursts

hybrid rapids
#

people won't understand eureka or deep dungeon by name...i think

high ether
#

tank takes a lot of damage that he has to mitigate, healers have to heal the tank, everyone goes back to DPSing

#

lot of bursty raid-wide damage too

full wave
#

Eureka is a good old fashioned old school grind. You kill a few thousand mobs to spawn boss mobs and you get a shiny weapon and armor set.

high ether
#

I think that is the main difference between this MMO and others that are similar, healing spells are very strong so healers have a lot of time to dps

full wave
#

@high ether Well ya it is Final Fantasy

#

Final Fantasy healers ain't no bitches.

#

Look at Yuna

tawdry matrix
#

@hybrid rapids They'll understand your thicc brows

#

!

hybrid rapids
#

more like, there's no much incoming damage

#

there's a lot downtime in a fight

#

bosses don't constantly output damage

high ether
#

yeah exactly, highly burst based

full wave
#

I wonder why that changed

tawdry matrix
#

Oh oops :(

full wave
#

I remember Twintania ripped tank's assholes open and both healers had to focus on the main tank constantly

#

And this was while they were in tank stance

high ether
#

you still have fights like that

#

o12 even in normal mode has a part where both tanks take crazy amounts of damage

full wave
#

I just think they can stand to up raid wide damage a bit

lyric dawn
#

Hmm I see

full wave
#

Are you playing the free trial or have you bought the game? @lyric dawn

lyric dawn
#

I already got the 3 expansions myself and raiding static and what not just the game feels dull to me

full wave
#

The trial lasts until the heat death of the universe. You can level all jobs and crafting and gathering classes to 35

#

Oh

lyric dawn
#

And of the stuff everyone mentioned it is just idk

#

Not sure how to explain it but it is very que do something, que again and etc..

#

Let alone lvling an alt class, que que que que que or deep deep deep deep

full wave
#

Ya. My problem with XIV is that it tries to appeal to a wide audience. That isn't bad but it makes the game feel "unfocused* at times.

#

I've never leveled using deep dungeon

#

Even for dps I used dungeons and dailies and fates.

lyric dawn
#

But mainly an end game is cap ur weekly, do dailies, and practice and die or kill savage

#

For example with all the bad in BDO the open world of me going somewhere and just grinding mobs for the fuck of it is more appealing to me but eh

full wave
#

Ya I get it

lyric dawn
#

I mean I am excited for the new expansion a bit but then it just the hype within me died cuz it will be the same recipe

full wave
#

Eureka is where I go to grind mobs. You probably wouldn't like it if you don't like the battle system in XIV.

lyric dawn
#

Yeah tried Eureka

#

But oh my lord

boreal edge
#

trial and already did savage

lyric dawn
#

With the new eureka zones it is just feels idk not sure how to put it

boreal edge
#

eureka isnt good or bad either

#

its just there

#

for those who got nothing to do with their lives

glossy musk
#

Eureka's pretty good/comfy

#

but you gotta like that stuff

quaint flower
#

If you have nothing to do, you cannot sleep, you have no other games to play, no other content to do and like Spearya said you have completely no idea what to do with your life, eureka is good

quick verge
#

eureka is better than savage

glossy musk
#

Eureka's pretty fun, plus it provides your weekly requirement of salt for a healthy diet in only 1 hour

quaint flower
#

you mean you can earn 450 genesis caps in 1 hour

#

?

plucky raptor
#

Yep, if the fates keep popping you can hit the weekly cap in an hour.

lyric summit
#

i think the 4 random lasers on people without tethers are distanced based

#

but that's all

#

oh

#

yeah that's random

#

but if you die from standing out too far then it's your fault, get back in the stack after splash and stack damage goes out

dull radish
#

for my group we just have a rough assigned spots for everyone around there

#

and when you run out, you go to your spot, and adjust a bit based on the AoEs

glossy musk
#

Personally I just AFK in Pyros and have ACT triggers for the spawns

#

play something else until I hear "Aetolus has popped" or such

scenic patrol
#

Prime FFXIV content

lyric summit
#

make a macro that gives people 1-5 + chain1-3 markers and pop it when you're attacking the fist or something

dull radish
#

if everyone on the left side gets it, then folks move over a bit to make room

scenic patrol
#

!action apocastasis

storm frostBOT
#
**Apocatastasis**

No skill information found. If this in error please report the issue. Otherewise, for buff and debuff information, use !buff <skill>. For traits use !trait <trait>.

scenic patrol
quick verge
#

apo cata stasis

scenic patrol
#

Anyhow what's the CD and duration?

#

Too bad I haven't gone into Steve yet, nore M/F

quick verge
#

!action apocatastasis

storm frostBOT
#
**Apocatastasis** : lvl 40 THM ACN BLM SMN RDM (90.0 second cooldown)

Reduces a party member's magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration: 10s

dull radish
#

if you're doing a strat where tank takes solo stack in HW, it's a great spot for apoc. I like apoc during tb monitors during patches otherwise

quick verge
#

is it possible to use displacement/elusive jump during level checker and not die

#

some drg is about to commit not alive

dull radish
#

I've heard displacement is tight but doable on level checker, but haven't run the fight on RDM, myself

glossy musk
#

Our RDM has yet to live if he uses it

#

to the point where he's taken it off his bars because he keeps doing it

heavy mist
#

Drg has no reason to use EJ

#

In Level checker

stable basin
#

I think they could use it like standing on the edge and jumping back off-center enough to miss the death puddle

#

Question is why

heavy mist
#

There no reason and you'd lose uptime and gcds

wet stag
#

Yeah just Sprint for reset

#

Or if ur gonna kill it soon just eat the damage down lmao

quick verge
#

!whologs @quick verge

storm frostBOT
#
FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Chaos**

Paladin: (118/11896) [5770 DPS] [99 Historical] [7:24]
Dark Knight: (392/5601) [5250 DPS] [93 Historical] [8:00]
Scholar: (2764/11518) [3045 DPS] [78 Historical] [8:34]

**Midgardsormr**

Paladin: (370/9258) [4587 DPS] [96 Historical] [8:39]

**Omega**

Paladin: (303/7579) [5110 DPS] [96 Historical] [9:33]
Dark Knight: (331/1274) [4658 DPS] [74 Historical] [11:04]

quick verge
#

๐Ÿ™

lyric summit
#

ez job and 50 billion grey parse casuals while stil getting 60% balance uptime yoshiglasses

wet stag
#

Nice 5.7k

lyric summit
quick verge
#

omega is fun

last galleon
#

Canโ€™t displacement during level checker

#

Literally not enough space to not die unless you want to try rescue memes

#

Blaze and level checker are the two places where you just canโ€™t use displacement

glossy musk
#

I mean blaze wonโ€™t kill you

#

So you coooooould do that

#

Your healer will just fucking hate you

last galleon
#

T r u e if you want to grief your healers

#

Tsunami is tight but doable. Cyclone is doable normally but impossible if your tank does the uptime strat with boss positioning.

quick verge
#

minmax dps

#

have tank pull nw after blaze

#

displace during umbra smash

#

corpse a corpse after

full wave
#

I just realized that tanks were fucming me with uptime in O9S

#

During Cyclone does Chaos have to be right at the edge or can he be kinda in the center?

wet stag
#

I bring him straight north and slightly to the side

#

Then turn him sideways so melee can hit positionals

stable basin
#

I pulled him to the corner until someone showed me that

quick verge
#

yeah it's pretty big brain

#

i like it

stable basin
#

And then after he jumps you can pull him to the edge of the cyclone for the second knockback

#

That lets dps hit positonals/face towards the cyclone without losing any gcds

quick verge
#

ya

wet stag
#

Only thing is that is makes invulning the orbs awkward as all hell

quick verge
#

or you can galaxy brain and get tsunami first

#

then skip uhhh

#

cyclone

#

๐Ÿ˜

wet stag
#

I mean that is the speedrun pattern

#

So yeah lmao

meager walrus
#

should i even bother with this game if i'm beyond bored of every class at 70 or should i just wait until SBr

#

I guess i am on an RP server i could give that a spin

#

is that the real endgame

#

RP and glamour

quick verge
#

wow

#

looks like a lot of people skip panto 2 outright

wet stag
#

Jesus

#

Meanwhile I still die the the final few atomic rays bleach

coarse radish
#

quick question: the two drk bis sets only differ in the chest piece, which one is better tho?

#

augmented scaevan vs omega

wet stag
#

Depends on the sks you're going for

coarse radish
#

otherwise are they equal?

wet stag
#

Pretty much

coarse radish
#

like exactly equal?

wet stag
#

It's like 20 dps difference

#

Crit chance is gonna fuck you over more than 20dps

coarse radish
#

which one is 20 more?

wet stag
#

Crit chance alone can cause a 200dps variance

#

20 dps is honestly not even worth considering unless you're seriously gunning for ayaparse

#

You play whichever one has a more comfy sks for you

coarse radish
#

ok ty

#

nah i have serious ping issues so thats irrelevant

#

i only want it just cause lol

wet stag
#

If you have serious ping issues you might wanna go for the slower one

coarse radish
#

ye

wet stag
#

Or uh

#

Replace the omega earring with pentamelded crafted

#

To get 2.41 iirc

coarse radish
#

hmm

wet stag
#

It's like another 5 dps loss but again

#

Not even worth considering

#

If it helps you play better it's a dps gain blobwizard

coarse radish
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lol

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ive found that sks doesn't prevent the clipping issues tho regardless of how high or low it is

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even in arr if i double weave i clip lol

wet stag
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Yeah but if you clip your gcd any gain you would've gotten from sks is negated

coarse radish
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thats true

vocal umbra
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8 dex vs 144 crit........

wet stag
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Dex

vocal umbra
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on brd

wet stag
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Uh

vocal umbra
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๐Ÿ˜ช

wet stag
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Check the balance

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I know crit on brd is fucked but idk how fucked

coarse radish
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i should make my own bis set then with minimal sks

vocal umbra
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i got omega ring off of chest, but until i can clear o10 iโ€™m stuck with scaevan

coarse radish
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wear ring for ilvl for now id say

vocal umbra
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earring*

wet stag
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Yeah the thing about drk

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Is that it loves all substats

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So you should be good either way

coarse radish
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kk

wet stag
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I main drk so if you need me to check ur logs go ahead and ping me

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Or post on drk questions in the balance

quick verge
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faye does your static do relative or true north for o11

wet stag
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True north

quick verge
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hm

wet stag
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Also biscuit

coarse radish
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no point, my ilvl is trash rn since my comp was broken for 2 months so im only now starting the raids

wet stag
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I finally got 5k on 11

quick verge
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the dream

wet stag
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Still died tho

scenic patrol
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comp has nothing to do with checking logs

coarse radish
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gotta get some gear and learn mechs before bothering with that

scenic patrol
quick verge
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next goal get 5k on o10s

wet stag
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Like 3s before we cleared

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@scenic patrol think he means computer lmao

coarse radish
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^

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lol

scenic patrol
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lul

quick verge
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what if both

wet stag
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5k on 10s Monkas

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!fflogsclass o10s drk

storm frostBOT
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scenic patrol
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5K requires you to play Warrior

quick verge
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just skip final phase ez

wet stag
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VIOLENT

coarse radish
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i only got the 380 crafted gear and i didnt even do content with it lol, beat 9s in 370 stuff

wet stag
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DESTRUCTION

quick verge
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5k requires padding or really good kill times

wet stag
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The god

quick verge
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undisputed

scenic patrol
stable basin
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Violent trapped the 11s I jumped into last night lol

wet stag
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@coarse radish ye but I can look at ur logs to see what mistakes ur making

quick verge
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what class

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was vd on

stable basin
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sam