endgame-lounge

[heavy mist]

I had to adjust in o2s pugs cause I know people didn't get knock back I they had the debuff thing

[thorn bear]

or uh build up to it properly

compared to now

where u just look at infuriate cd

[boreal edge]

nothing better than troubador mage ballad at chrybdis

[heavy mist]

[boreal edge]

i was like

hope no one noticed

[rustic lichen]

I've done that lol

Except in G Kefka

[scenic patrol]

[unreal flax]

Give me the unlock patch pls ty

[heavy mist]

Never

[rustic lichen]

Fat fingered Mages and pressed troubadour thinking I was in minuet

[boreal edge]

i did it in godka too

[heavy mist]

Deal with non bis

[unreal flax]

I want my spear and daggers

SIR PLS

[heavy mist]

I got like nin daggers from a drop

[boreal edge]

be4 archangel

[rustic lichen]

I just want my stupid aiming chest

[heavy mist]

Cause no one wanted em

[boreal edge]

rip

[unreal flax]

Actually, if I just keep playing NIN, I'll be fine because all I need is tomes stuff

[rustic lichen]

I got the bow a week or two ago

[unreal flax]

My SkS is being increased by my boots.

[boreal edge]

i started to play mnk recently

mnk is easier

than ninja to me

[heavy mist]

Need to level mnk to 70

[unreal flax]

MNK is a lot simpler in terms of internal mechanics, yeah.

DPS-wise, it's much more difficult.

[boreal edge]

did 5300 dps in o5s as i350

[heavy mist]

Cause nin if my ping screws me up then rip TA and everything else

:(

[rustic lichen]

I'm gonna have enough books to buy most left side Savage gear but I dunno what job to pick

Nin is done, I wanna maybe try healers....

[scenic patrol]

When the tank spins the boss just as you are about to use TA

[unreal flax]

That's not too bad for that ilevel for someone who doesn't play MNK.

[scenic patrol]

[rustic lichen]

Or go back to my ex love monk

[heavy mist]

NIN is gonna be the class that I can play but its a w/e to me

Unless I get forced to for a static...

[unreal flax]

DRG is definitely my main thing, but I'm getting more confident in my NIN, so next tier, I might switch to NIN lol

[boreal edge]

only thing i hate in ninja

[rustic lichen]

I started as war/drk but then switched to brd

[boreal edge]

every has different way to handle

[rustic lichen]

Kinda wanna actually finish a tier as a tank for once

[boreal edge]

fight*

[unreal flax]

Yeah.

[boreal edge]

o5s and o6s jas no positionals

[rustic lichen]

I finished last tier as monk of all things

[boreal edge]

but still change opener

[heavy mist]

Yup

Kefka Kenki 👀

W/e its called

Know it as the ninja gauge

[unreal flax]

I did the whole Delta tier on MNK. Then, after week two of this tier, I switched to DRG, which I had to start gearing up from like i330.

Ninki? lol

[boreal edge]

played brd whole tier then switched to pld

[rustic lichen]

I only slightly tempted to try healing Savage

Only thing I haven't done yet

[scenic patrol]

Do it

!whologs @scenic patrol

[rustic lichen]

Only question is which healer

I'm terrible on shielding despite my love of scholar

[scenic patrol]

Not Scholar

Guess Kupo is down

[boreal edge]

i didnt level all healers this time

cause i rarely heal

but sch is fun

[rustic lichen]

White mage would be my next best attempt

[scenic patrol]

!whoami

[thorn bear]

I'm boutta try sch

gonna go trap 2chest parties

[scenic patrol]

Do it

[rustic lichen]

same

Hopefully the Codex drops next week so I can commit to a healer lol

[thorn bear]

codex

lemme hit u up with this

full crafted gear (outside of the boots)

[rustic lichen]

Had Halberd and fending chest two weeks in a row

[thorn bear]

not even 360 crafted cause I don't have the creation

[rustic lichen]

I have the tsuk Codex and some Aug Crafted gear

I just want the codex cause I like it and it would be nice

[scenic patrol]

I need like 4 weeks to hit full BiS on Scholar

With a coffer donation

[thorn bear]

here's hoping for a coffer next week

pls

[rustic lichen]

Which healer pants are good for sch actually

[thorn bear]

rng gods

[rustic lichen]

I forgot, one of em is Crit piety

[scenic patrol]

I am aiming for Diamond pants since it's in the High Piety BiS

[rustic lichen]

Yeah I think I'll go for the diamond ones, I only have enough tomes for the chest piece and I'll have 8 books this coming week anyways

[scenic patrol]

!whoami

👀

Well, the bot is dead

Shame

[rustic lichen]

F

[thorn bear]

gotta go to fflogs and screenshots your parses instead

rip

[thorn bear]

when u die to knock off ghost

holy fuck

i'm good at healing

[scenic patrol]

It's just pressing Surecast

[thorn bear]

I didnt know it was there

because I was too busy

tryna figure out my class

lol

[opaque pewter]

doesn anyone know what's the best way to get item level up as of right now?, i haven't played since last patch and your boy is struggling

[scenic patrol]

if you have gil then crafted shit

and augment it

otherwise the good old currency farming

can also spam HoH to get a weapon eventually

[opaque pewter]

thank you

[vagrant gulch]

pf in a nutshell

you make a prog party for 1st forsaken

ppl joins

we wipe 30mins in clown

we get to god

then this happens

idk how much time I've wasted joining/making 1st forsaken parties for stuff like that to happen

:(

[frosty stag]

Every time :c

[vagrant gulch]

well I guess you got a point there

but tbh

clown kefka is easier

than most of the fights ppl have been through already

exception is demon, and that's debatable

even pre virus guardian is harder than clown

I really want to progress but whole day has been this

I think I'm calling it for today

LOL

[heavy mist]

Just keep going

[vagrant gulch]

you're right about that

but that's the thing

[heavy mist]

The more u bash your head

[vagrant gulch]

dying to mechs

killing your party

[heavy mist]

The more likely u are to see the end

[vagrant gulch]

oh yeah

I basically had to do that with guardian

[heavy mist]

If a party sucks

Just leave

Don't waste the time

[vagrant gulch]

you're right about that

[heavy mist]

don't feel obligated

If u like hit enrage and have 0 deaths and have like 5% left

Might not be a good sign

This is where the parser can come in handy

If u know raid DPS requirement

[vagrant gulch]

yeah I always check that

clown is around 31.4k

or something

[heavy mist]

If u see a DPS constantly hit super low deeps

Even with 0 deaths

Might be a sign

💦

[scenic patrol]

it's 31 K

or close to it

the issue is that it's a high downtime fight

so it's the tightest enrage

[heavy mist]

And sometimes u don't get lb3

So stuck with that lb2

[scenic patrol]

[vagrant gulch]

oh wait

for real

there are times you don't get lb3?

[heavy mist]

Yes

[pure yoke]

Clown Kefka enrage was fairly tight in week 1

[vagrant gulch]

I haven't run into that yet

[heavy mist]

Depends on how much DMG is let through

By mitigation

And other factors that I'm not too familiar with

[vagrant gulch]

I see

that makes sense

I know that I learnt about that because one guy once

asked me to not reprisal lof

and we got 1 lb3 and then 1 lb1

[boreal edge]

clown was pretty tough dps check early on the tier

coupled with his annoying downtime

[heavy mist]

Also needed to learn rotation

For his fight

[vagrant gulch]

yeah the downtime is like 1 minute?

I think

[boreal edge]

54 secs to be exact

[heavy mist]

I dunno about the lb1 either

[vagrant gulch]

that could make sense. you're animation locked so you can make an argument that not interrupting your rotation is just better dps

or it's dps neutral

[boreal edge]

but yes

i did make rot

especially for kefaust

you have litarally 5 secs post IJ

to burn barrage

or u wont have 5th usage

[heavy mist]

Rip

[boreal edge]

so had to fuck up other stuffs

just to no waste the 5th barrage

getting good parse in kefaust is annoying too

funny how my best parse in it

is 4 months old

[stable basin]

that's sad

clearly whatever you got that parse on got nerfed

[boreal edge]

[scenic patrol]

!classlogs Odin Johni Bravo SCH

[storm frost]

**FFLogs Data For Johni Bravo of Odin on SCH**

**Phantom Train**

Scholar: (10163/16393) [1649.41 DPS] [38 Historical] [00:00]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Scholar: (7981/15650) [1970.5 DPS] [49 Historical] [00:00]

[scenic patrol]

@blazing pelican

[blazing pelican]

[scenic patrol]

!whoami

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo, Dark Driver

Au Ra, Raen
Level 70 Scholar [Item Level 365]
<VIth Imperial Legion> on Odin

[scenic patrol]

Need like 4 weeks for BiS

[unreal flax]

!whologs @unreal flax

[storm frost]

Gormeus Rowntree of Excalibur

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train**

Ninja: (10759/11824) [3456 DPS] [9 Historical] [9:53]
Dragoon: (5382/13802) [5087 DPS] [62 Historical] [8:27]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Ninja: (10313/11334) [4446 DPS] [9 Historical] [9:27]
Dragoon: (4301/13441) [5858 DPS] [68 Historical] [10:02]

**Guardian**

Dragoon: (2447/9789) [5440 DPS] [75 Historical] [12:20]

**Kefka**

Dragoon: (3711/8068) [5180 DPS] [55 Historical] [6:41]
Ninja: (3730/7039) [5056 DPS] [47 Historical] [6:54]

**God Kefka**

Dragoon: (4692/6341) [5350 DPS] [26 Historical] [10:25]
Ninja: (3560/5563) [5403 DPS] [36 Historical] [10:34]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[lyric kelp]

Oh man

Is that the ginormous angry tree

[unique wolf]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/73xphgkybfw1FYXa#fight=32&type=damage-done

best run of the night when nin misses trick

[unreal flax]

Lol. that's rough.

[unique wolf]

still #2 tho

o well

maybe could've been #1

[pure yoke]

I also lost life

[unique wolf]

[scenic patrol]

[hybrid rapids]

100 PTDPS

👌

[sullen sable]

johni

pls tell me there's more of those

[hybrid rapids]

alevia did for most job

[pure yoke]

hi Virsath

[hybrid rapids]

you can join her server

[sullen sable]

hello

[pure yoke]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EagerCharmingGarageStoneLightning

[sullen sable]

linky

[pure yoke]

Elite EJ Timing

[sullen sable]

fuckin sick

👌🏾

[hybrid rapids]

https://discord.gg/bk46zf

[sullen sable]

@hybrid rapids doesn't work :o

[scenic patrol]

https://discord.gg/hvN7JHA

[sullen sable]

o ty

[past hamlet]

Look at these blobs

[thorn bear]

when you get the comfy clear

[maiden iris]

setting up O5S clear party because the only other ones already have a SCH and I find double-SCH to be a massive headache
one of them messages me saying I should totally join their party
they seem to completely ignore everything I just said and say "yea we should totally merge our parties :D" (I was the only one in my party so far)
I reiterate that double-SCH has proved to be nothing but a headache in all the instances I've had of it
they apologize that the position has been filled, with a 😦

[hexed sandal]

Is shinryu extreme harder than bakkayo extreme?

[paper torrent]

that's not even a contest

byakko is a fucking snooze fest

[hexed sandal]

Really?

Easy farm then I guess

[heavy mist]

Yes its harder

[paper torrent]

you have to watch out for only two mecs in byakko

[maiden iris]

Byakko is just a dummy fight where you occasionally have to move

Shinryu has mechanics

[paper torrent]

markers and sweep the leg (if you can call that a mechanic)

[hexed sandal]

Shinryu is a pain in ass I’ll tell you that

[heavy mist]

Yup

You can wipe easily lol

[hexed sandal]

Ive yet to complete shinryu tbh

[heavy mist]

Just takes a nice party

[hexed sandal]

All I ever joined was parties that wiped and I had up

[heavy mist]

You can do it eventually lol

[hexed sandal]

Hopefully lol

Do you get a doggo from shinryu?

[heavy mist]

Yes

Green flame doggo

[rustic lichen]

Having to do Shinryu 99 times was not fun

[heavy mist]

Its sorta meh

[rustic lichen]

99+ rather

[hexed sandal]

How many doggos are there now

[paper torrent]

i just gave up on shinryu

[heavy mist]

5

Uh

[scenic patrol]

as many as there are primals

[rustic lichen]

5 do far

[heavy mist]

@paper torrent I'll help u someday

[rustic lichen]

So

[paper torrent]

sus, lak, shin, byakko, tsyu

[hexed sandal]

Well I didn’t know if all had extremes yet

[rustic lichen]

I'm only missing Byakkos

[paper torrent]

we'll get another set in 4.4

[rustic lichen]

But I have the totems for it

[hexed sandal]

Only just resubbed after 6 months

[paper torrent]

and another in 4.5

i think.

[heavy mist]

Byakko farming is zzzz

[paper torrent]

byakko farming is kms tier

[heavy mist]

At least in shin u are like active in phase 2

[paper torrent]

you just fall asleep 'cause it's so boring

[hexed sandal]

Lak is boring too

But her doggo is nice

So I want

[rustic lichen]

Also I decided to do white mage/scholar in tsuk and I dunno what I'm doing wrong or if my co healers were half asleep

[heavy mist]

U can solo heal it

[rustic lichen]

That doesn't mean I should

[hexed sandal]

Is tsuk ex hard?

[heavy mist]

Yes but sometimes u need to carry yo stupid teammates

[paper torrent]

honestly it's not

but PF is stupid as shit

[rustic lichen]

Doesn't help when the dps keep getting clipped by dumb shit

[spice comet]

If ur coheals r zzz, yes u can solo heal its not bad

[rustic lichen]

Thus making it harder to heal

[heavy mist]

Then it ain't all your cohealer fault

[spice comet]

That's a dps problem

[heavy mist]

Blame da deeps

[elder dawn]

ex trials stopped being hard since sephirot so no

[hexed sandal]

Yeah I kinda dislike PF but it’s whatever

[rustic lichen]

It's half that and things like not shielding aoes etc

[spice comet]

Nah that's the carry part, ppl have enough hp to live the aoes

Without shields

[maiden iris]

honestly there's not much that needs shielding in that one

[rustic lichen]

Nah people would just die

Because I expected them to do that and welp

[heavy mist]

Just heal them right as it hits

[maiden iris]

Emergency Tactics and Indom, ez 😛

[spice comet]

Sounds like u trust ur coheals too much

[rustic lichen]

Probably

[maiden iris]

ET+Succ, that si

[spice comet]

I go into every pf farm to solo heal

[rustic lichen]

I just wanna dps

[maiden iris]

is*

[heavy mist]

If u whm cure 3 ez

[spice comet]

Farming is ez

[heavy mist]

Sch indom and et

Ast with Helios spam lul

[maiden iris]

don't forget WD

by the time another AoE comes up, everyone's full lol

[spice comet]

Yea better to carry if it means faster clears, not like I'm gonna parse in pf

[paper torrent]

@heavy mist come do hoh 21+ with us

[rustic lichen]

I think my annoyance is that I'm not a constant healer, I do it casually and I'm trying to learn

[spice comet]

Sometimes my coheals r straight up dumb and dont even heal after tbs, so it's like w.e i got this

[heavy mist]

I do for the luls

[rustic lichen]

So basically being told to solo heal to learn harder content (comparatively as soemone who usually just did dungeons)

[heavy mist]

@paper torrent I'm in a car so I won't be able to until like 7 more hrs

[rustic lichen]

Is stupid

[paper torrent]

S H E T

[hexed sandal]

I always see healers just spam stone when I’m main tanking and low as fuck

[paper torrent]

nice drive

[rustic lichen]

Like, I'll do it

[paper torrent]

also okay no problem thanks anyway

[spice comet]

Sounds like a pf problem

[rustic lichen]

But I'll bitch and moan along the way lol

[heavy mist]

Yeh sorry :(

[scenic patrol]

healers that tunnel on DPS are bad

[spice comet]

The question is r u ded

If u r low n not ded

[scenic patrol]

healers that tunnel on heals and don't dps are worse

[spice comet]

The healer is doing it right

[heavy mist]

The question is will u be dead

[hexed sandal]

Yeah because I have to use clemency

[spice comet]

Healers who tunnel in general r rip

[rustic lichen]

I'm trying to get better on keeping regens consistent on the tank etc

[hexed sandal]

Main tanking and staying on average at 15k out of 55k is not good

[scenic patrol]

why?

[heavy mist]

I mean

If u aren't gonna take dmg

Its fine

[spice comet]

i keep my tanks low but they're not ded

[scenic patrol]

your HP pull is meaningless if there is no tank buster coming

[hexed sandal]

main tanking

[scenic patrol]

[heavy mist]

If no TB or AA

Or u need it for a HP mechanic

[spice comet]

Autos r pokes

[rustic lichen]

Usually if a tank hits half, I'll Tetra and regen unless there's a tank buster, or throw an adlo every so often

[spice comet]

Regens heals pokes

[heavy mist]

O6s autos wew

Ot gets hit harder

[spice comet]

If ur low but nothing is incoming then ur good

[rustic lichen]

For tsuk in general, you can use cooldowns liberally until the last phase

[heavy mist]

I think? Or just gets forgotten

[scenic patrol]

I'd rather let a tank hit dangerously low to get full benefit from Excog

[rustic lichen]

So I just regen and call it a day and worry about everyone else

[spice comet]

There's a vid from momo floating around about that

[hexed sandal]

Crazy man

Healers that let me go real low make me nervous

[spice comet]

Pld low hp but not ded

[scenic patrol]

don't be

[spice comet]

Doing it right

[scenic patrol]

it's not your job

[heavy mist]

If u actually die

Then rip

[maiden iris]

quick question

[rustic lichen]

My other issue is when people start dropping and the red mage doesn't help me rez

[heavy mist]

Blame healer

[spice comet]

Yea as a tank u just need to cd for tbs

[maiden iris]

when exactly does Doom Strike happen in relation to O5S's other mechanics?

[rustic lichen]

Nor the tour healer

[hexed sandal]

It’s all fun and games until the healer doesn’t realise a tank buster is coming up and I’m on 8khp

[spice comet]

And ignore ur hp

[heavy mist]

It happens during preys

Once in the beginning

[scenic patrol]

first Doom is before Head On

[heavy mist]

Also after u come.back from ghosts

[spice comet]

If u die blame ur healer assuming u cd

[rustic lichen]

@maiden iris first doom strike is by itself, others are sometimes out with prey markers for the Aoe damage

[heavy mist]

That's all I remember

[scenic patrol]

!whologs @scenic patrol

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo of Odin

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train**

Warrior: (850/17012) [4581 DPS] [95 Historical] [7:48]
Scholar: (10212/16472) [1649 DPS] [38 Historical] [7:53]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Dark Knight: (3995/9080) [3820 DPS] [84 Historical] [10:09]
Warrior: (1286/16076) [4834 DPS] [92 Historical] [7:32]
Scholar: (8030/15746) [1970 DPS] [49 Historical] [7:40]

**Guardian**

Warrior: (1185/11856) [4449 DPS] [90 Historical] [10:31]

**Kefka**

Warrior: (847/9414) [4264 DPS] [91 Historical] [6:30]

**God Kefka**

Warrior: (193/7105) [4792 DPS] [96 Historical] [10:08]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[scenic patrol]

[maiden iris]

ah kk

[rustic lichen]

Or after ghosts

[maiden iris]

the knockback ghost, or just any ghosts?

[heavy mist]

Just look at a timeline

[rustic lichen]

After room ghosts is one

[heavy mist]

Its helpful

[spice comet]

Timeline yeah

[hexed sandal]

The phantom train is one of the dumbest bosses

[spice comet]

There's a few tbs

[maiden iris]

true, I'm just... bad at memorizing timelines rather than things in relation to each other

[scenic patrol]

order was like pushy > chasers > Doom Strike

[heavy mist]

Google o5s timeline

[scenic patrol]

iirc

[rustic lichen]

Yeah what Rider said

[heavy mist]

And u get a feel with your cooldown timings

[spice comet]

There's one more after aoe

[heavy mist]

When things should be up

[spice comet]

For the tb

[heavy mist]

And as a War u also have holm

So gud

[scenic patrol]

I just remember the timeline intuitively

[maiden iris]

^

[heavy mist]

Well its nice in the beginning

Well u wanna plan a bit

[spice comet]

I learned it blind

[heavy mist]

When*

[maiden iris]

I can remember things by music timing and by their relationship to other mechanics

[scenic patrol]

I have done those fights enough times

that I can sort of brain afk them

[spice comet]

So there's always just learn it through progging

[rustic lichen]

But yeah, I guess I just hate healing with randos because if shit goes south, I'm the one to blame because I'm awake lol

[heavy mist]

Only problem is when u get to a phase

[scenic patrol]

just not as healer yet

[maiden iris]

I've learned the fight, I just want to tighten up my Adlo timing to make sure that the tank doesn't bite the dust on Doom Strike lol

[heavy mist]

U don't see often

And be like wtf

There's a mechanic here....

[scenic patrol]

why would you use Adlo?

[spice comet]

I actually dont aldo

[scenic patrol]

[spice comet]

I excog

And tell the tank use ur cd

[heavy mist]

Adlo deploy for aoe o.o

[maiden iris]

because the tanks I've had don't seem to cd, and these are pug groups T.T

[scenic patrol]

Succ

[spice comet]

If its holm, i tell the whm use ur beni

[rustic lichen]

Rip

[maiden iris]

I love the succ

[rustic lichen]

That explains it

[heavy mist]

But muh crit adlo

[spice comet]

Rip

[heavy mist]

/s

[maiden iris]

praise the critlo

[scenic patrol]

Crit adlo is rare

[rustic lichen]

You have a cooldown for every TB in train

[maiden iris]

yeah, I know that much at least 😛

[scenic patrol]

more than that

[spice comet]

Pug tanks rip

[rustic lichen]

Hell I even cooldown through head on perfectly fine

[scenic patrol]

well, I can usually grab some memers to do weekly with

[rustic lichen]

Vengeance + RI

[maiden iris]

Aetherpact for purple ghost, Excog for 99% of things, Surecast/ET/Succ for Headlight

[hexed sandal]

What’s the deal with nobody doing treasure maps anymore

[scenic patrol]

so I can gurantee tank quality

[heavy mist]

I know but feels good if u get it

Thanks discord lag

@hexed sandal cause the lazy

Its free money

[hexed sandal]

Yeah but lots of free money

[scenic patrol]

gonna kill O7S and O8S as healer today

[spice comet]

Maps r just less popular

[scenic patrol]

hopefully

[hexed sandal]

Idek why

[scenic patrol]

[hexed sandal]

It’s literally free money

[spice comet]

Its cause ppl r on break

[maiden iris]

y'know, it would be interesting if Meltdown ended up being an Aetherflow ability that just does a shitload of damage (280 pot maybe?), but doesn't give Faerie Gauge or MP unlike Energy Drain

[rustic lichen]

It's the patch lull mostly

[maiden iris]

choicesssssss

[heavy mist]

Lazy

And hoh

[spice comet]

They do maps the most when new stuff is release first week or so

But it drops off quickly once the stuff drops in price

[hexed sandal]

There’s still items worth millions though

So it’s still def worth

[spice comet]

Then new content like hoh come out and ppl either on break or just w.e

[scenic patrol]

only reason I still play is because I put myself through a challenge of healing the tier and possibly UwU

[spice comet]

Like i dont do maps

I used to way back when

But it's too hard to get a pt, I'm lazy, i have money and bought the mats, etc etc many reasons

[hexed sandal]

True true

It’s just easy and no one wants to do them

Had a PT up the whole hour and had 4 people join

[spice comet]

Also u get to the point where legit this game u earn more money than u can spend

Unless u like hardcore do housing

[hexed sandal]

True

[spice comet]

Maps having millions of gil becomes less enticing when ur not even poor

👌

[hexed sandal]

I’m not even poor I just like doing them for the RNG

And plus more money

Because I’m a money who’re

Lol auto correct

[heavy mist]

Just waiting for 4.4 to sell my materia v

[hexed sandal]

Why?

[heavy mist]

Pentameld

Raiders

Tanks

Etc

[spice comet]

My raiding fund is rdy

Hoarded all the materia to blow up day 1

[hexed sandal]

Time to hoard materia V then

[heavy mist]

Risky investment but hope it pays off

I've got money to spare so its w.e

[hexed sandal]

It’s only mat V though

[heavy mist]

If I can sell them for 15k ea

And I buy them for 1-3 k ea

It adds up

[hexed sandal]

True

[heavy mist]

Materia in my server has coated 40k before for V

Costed

In 4.05 and 4.2

[hexed sandal]

What server you in?

[heavy mist]

Jenova

[hexed sandal]

Idk if that’s populated or not

[heavy mist]

Not really

But things sell

So idm

[hexed sandal]

Fairs

I’m in leviathan

Things sell fairly quickly

[meager walrus]

Does anyone else feel like ffxiv endgame is a little lacking? I want to find some kind of balance between world of Warcraft "playing all week until your life falls apart" and ffxiv "do all your runs and cap on tokens in one day". Maybe I'm just a little burnt out but I just feel like I'm out of interesting stuff to do and I'm only gearing to do better at stuff that isn't particularly interesting.

[heavy mist]

I mean a good chunk of people do feel that way

[paper torrent]

I play this game to make a shitton of alts

[heavy mist]

Can always look into other aspects of the game instead of raiding

[paper torrent]

it's a bad time to try and clear hte tier anyway

traps, traps everywhere

also I think this game does a good job on encouraging prog/weeklies

but a lot of people share that "shit i'm done with the tier now the fuck do i do" sentiment

especially after savage was tuned down

[hybrid rapids]

Because you don’t have to play one game only

It’s good to take some break and trying other game or irl stuff

Like only weekly farm

Then you’re free

Instead of being bounded to a game for few months of raid

[scenic patrol]

the type of people who didn't clear yet

are the bottom of the barrel

literally scratching the scraps

[heavy mist]

Yup have to ask people who cleared to help at this point if u really want it

Which is why we all waiting for the unlock

[scenic patrol]

I have been in "Virus prog"

it was amazing

[heavy mist]

So people aren't bound by stupid weeklies for this tier

[scenic patrol]

most raiders don't care about weeklies anymore

some might come back to farm the tier

out

[unique wolf]

i mean the content you're supposed to be doing now is ultimate

if you aren't doing that then you might as well not play ffxiv

[heavy mist]

💦

[boreal edge]

ultimate is timesink

[meager walrus]

@hybrid rapids as weird as it sounds, I actually do like that aspect of it. But I definitely did start playing so much less when I started raiding. Prior to that I was always going crazy over alts and stuff.

[boreal edge]

and its not any different that savage

still you raid on fixed schedule

outside that schedule?

you literally do nothing

[meager walrus]

Really, it's getting harder to justify the sub fee when you're farming savage. But the game isn't forcing me to stay subbed at the same time with predatory shit which I appreciate

[silent path]

My content is hoh

Is harder then savage in solo

[boreal edge]

its not really harder

just hope rng doesnt screw you up

[silent path]

Savage is ez anyways so

[maiden iris]

ugggggh, still can't get a group to clear 😦

O5S, that is

[heavy mist]

Rip

[maiden iris]

I know for a fact I have the mechanics down

I put the spotlight in the center of the platform for people to lure their ghosts into (precisely long enough distance for most ghost placements), I lure my Wind away from my allies

I Surecast on ghost sneeze and Headlight (Headlight is so I can ET Succ immediately after)

[heavy mist]

Just put up a 0-1 chest clear party

[silent path]

If you were on chaos would glad help you

[maiden iris]

oh true, that could work, Rider

[heavy mist]

Screw 2 chests

[maiden iris]

yeah, I was just hoping to get an accessory lol

[paper torrent]

oh right siren is aether

[maiden iris]

but I get more accessories by actually clearing, rather than by having a BLM who clears all the boxes every chance he gets

[heavy mist]

Well u are missing out on them every week u don't clear

So

[maiden iris]

Yep

It just feelsbadman lol

[opal hollow]

man what's there to do in this game

zzz when raiding is all you want to do

[boreal edge]

go play something else

[opal hollow]

reeeeeeeeeeee

you're right

[sleek hedge]

So whats the end game like in this game?

[pure yoke]

memes

big memes

[sleek hedge]

Is there anything PvP related?

[pure yoke]

I think pvp is a bigger meme

[grizzled seal]

it's mostly raiding

[lyric summit]

pvp unlocks at 30 and everything in it synced so you can participate in pvp endgame just after unlocking your job soulstone @sleek hedge

[glossy musk]

There’s PvP but unless you’re interested in getting top 100 it’s not worth it

[sleek hedge]

Alright 😄 thanks for the info everyone.

[opal hollow]

Man I will never understand people who refuse to learn how to play their class

Or worse yet, tell others not to.

If the person wants to learn let them lol

[lyric summit]

https://gyazo.com/f002acf7add13aca1a91f5cda4517f55

pugging o5s be like

[sullen sable]

[thorn bear]

Aggro is YOUR problem, not mine - BLM in o4n

[opal hollow]

Lolllll

[solemn pagoda]

I think they should've finished that first sentence

"I may not like logs.. but I rarely fail when I have the right amount of carry in my pug"

[paper torrent]

👌 😂

[high ether]

why are they in savage if they refuse to learn how to properly play their job

kick, blacklist and move on

[hybrid rapids]

papi log shaming again

👀

[high ether]

oh this person actually has logs

someone else probably uploaded logs with their name in them

I don't know anything about NIN unfortunately so I cannot tell if this rotation is good or not

[thorn bear]

TIL you need to be right inside of kefka to not get ranged starstrafe

lol

[normal mesa]

it feels like you have to be so far away to get it

until the second that the samurai places his left pinky toe outside of kefka's hitbox

and suddenly he's running for his life trying to take the mch's spot cuz he got the ranged one

[thorn bear]

I've never done 2nd forsaken as dps

good thing I'm not a complete chimp and knew where to put the meteors

but we died anyway

[bright plinth]

anyubody here using or familiar with the SPESPE spell timer?

[dull radish]

@thorn bear you only have to be closer to kefka than two other dps, to not get ranged starstrafe

that's all

if you got it, and you were within melee range, then it's the fault of the ranged for not being further out

since it only targets the two dps furthest away from kefka when it goes out

[golden zenith]

is macroing a text message to a ress really necessary

[steady pebble]

no

it can be a bit helpful in pugs so ppl dont double up on the same person

but i personally find it happens regardless so i don't use mine anymore

[paper torrent]

Short ones are nice to show who you're resing

In a timely manner

It's something that helps me most of the time

[golden zenith]

messages that dont tell how you're ressing are useless right?

[paper torrent]

Yea

[steady pebble]

yes if you're going to make one, always include the person's name

[paper torrent]

Also I assume that how was supposed to be who

[steady pebble]

either with <t> or <mo> depending on what targetting method you're using

[golden zenith]

if there's 5 summoners and 2 red mages, shouldnt we all be using garudas?

[steady pebble]

eh ideally yeah

[paper torrent]

Ideally

[steady pebble]

but if its rabanastre or whatever

then it ultimately doesn't matter

[paper torrent]

But if you don't care for garuda

[golden zenith]

everyone is using ifrit

[steady pebble]

yeah

[paper torrent]

Yeah 24mans is casual as fuck

[steady pebble]

cos he requires no input

easier to be lazy

[paper torrent]

SIC EM JALEPENO PEPPER

[golden zenith]

you're supposed to take meteor to the ehad vs CoD right

[steady pebble]

for which fight?

[golden zenith]

Cloud of Darkness

[steady pebble]

one person needs to be in the circle for each meteor yeah

[golden zenith]

is the damage split if theres more than one person?

[steady pebble]

no

[paper torrent]

Usually damage split aoes are the giant floating pulsing markers

[boreal tartan]

Any WHM mains mind taking a look at some of my recent tsuku logs and telling me what i might be doing wrong? I cant seem to pinpoint where im messing up but i seem to be hitting grey parses a lot

[lyric summit]

sure

[vagrant gulch]

almost hit 3rd forsaken today

I feel pretty confident about my 2nd forsaken now

[boreal tartan]

much appreciated ^^ heres a link https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/10532234?zone=15&mode=detailed#metric=hps&boss=1041&spec=WhiteMage

[vagrant gulch]

I'll just need to push more and then prob I'll be able to make 3rd forsaken prog/clear

[lyric summit]

your cpm/active is really low, you're spending a lot of time just not doing anything, except for probably focusing on mechanics too much, need to press more buttons, more stone 4, more dot uptime, there's some peroids where they're down for longer peroids of time

plus you linked.. healing logs? less healing is better, grey parses in healing aren't something you should be worried about

[boreal tartan]

Oh! I didnt know that honestly. Ive always been so focused on my healing strictly @_@ Thank you very much though c:

[lyric summit]

everyone's a dps at endgame, just cast more stone4 !

[boreal tartan]

will do!

[opal hollow]

ugh does anybody on aether wanna help me get my sigma normal drops LOL

[elder lark]

I'd just be rolling against you for bolts lol

[opal hollow]

yeah true

fuck this holy shit

me and this dude

have been here for over 3 hours

legit keep running into him and we're both just rolling sub 20s

[elder lark]

yeah I just rolled some single digits in O6N

[vital cypress]

hmm

[arctic field]

If you aren't worried about raising people

You can use Thin Air during the add phase

And annoy the DRK or WAR as you steal their AoE targets

[wheat garnet]

Finally got that O7s clear

Thanks to other people's carry

[hybrid rapids]

grats

\O/

[scenic patrol]

[wheat garnet]

I now understand how duty complete groups can go so bad

If enough of the slightly under performing players that usually get carried end up in the same group

[normal mesa]

yup

[scenic patrol]

Aye

[ornate blade]

late into the tier

ppl got their welfare gear

[normal mesa]

nbd if a group has a purple a grey and two greens.

[ornate blade]

😌

[normal mesa]

but when it's one green and all greys

[ornate blade]

everyone can have green dps as long as u dont fuck up mechanics

[scenic patrol]

There are people coming into savage without googling a single guide

[wheat garnet]

It can be a fun experience. As long as you don't inflict your presence upon random players

[compact latch]

You know even the best players are going into a savage content without watching a guide when it is newly released 😄

[scenic patrol]

Not my original point however

I meant players that don't know how to play their jobs

Or don't know to let the GCD roll

[arctic field]

But, Johni, reading is difficult 😦

[compact latch]

i prefer to see first the raid and then watching a guide 🤔

[scenic patrol]

Not my point again

I don't care if you do blind runs for savage

At least know how to play your job

[normal mesa]

"a guide" includes job guides lol

[arctic field]

Clearly you're being too unreasonable though, Johni

😦

[compact latch]

i got more wipe groups then getting enrage groups, i still think most savage raid ppl cant handle the mechanics without someone telling them what to do

[opal hollow]

i will never understand people who try to go into savage raids without knowing how to play their class

[scenic patrol]

load into savage PF
Ninja barely pushing 3K
Trick attack no where in sight
who needs guides amiright?

[arctic field]

Wat's Requiem, Johni?

😦

[normal mesa]

i

ouch

[blissful solstice]

some people are really bad at BLM and SMN

[elder dawn]

some people are just really bad

[blissful solstice]

omg a fellow ultros person

hi @elder dawn

[paper torrent]

Ultros people don't exist

they're a myth

like Zalera players

[elder dawn]

[blissful solstice]

i am not a myth

:<

[opal hollow]

to be fair

both are pretty damn hard to learn correctly

smn has a bloody long rotation

and blm requires better fight knowledge

[blissful solstice]

Yeah SMN and BLM are hard

but like the ice mage BLMs

and the SMNs that bring Titan to savage content

shudder

[pastel meteor]

I'm on Ultros too:D

[steep iris]

HEY

@paper torrent ill have you know

there's prob a dozen of us that are active here

[paper torrent]

to be fair there's probably more people in ultros that actively post than Faerie players

we're too busy emote spamming in HOH

[steep iris]

nice

[paper torrent]

emote spam is the true endgame tbh

also yeah in my experience

enrage groups are way worse than clear groups

[near inlet]

LOL

and tbh

me and lmao avoid alot of ppl

esp Limsa

remember that Mayu Mae chick

@paper torrent

[paper torrent]

LMAO yeah girl's got isues

anyway we're getting offtopic

👋

[near inlet]

yeah

if anything this goes to rants

lol

[boreal edge]

you can just press buttons and u get 50%

no need to follow the rot completely just to do average dps

[opal hollow]

woah wtf byakko normal's air phase is faster

like he does his circle aoe way faster LOL

than in ex

[boreal edge]

ex has longer downtime than NM

[opal hollow]

man this is cancer

IDK THE FIGHT ORDER AHHHHHH

wow that was way harder than ex i swear

just shitting myself cuz nothing is in the same order

[snow girder]

Im not a Myth D:

[boreal edge]

10 role action buttons will make tanking alot easier

2 provoke buttons instead of 1

[heavy mist]

huh right there an aoe voke

...

[torn kindle]

Having free access to Rescue 👀

I can barely comprehend this power

[boreal edge]

clutch

[steep iris]

time to troll people

[boreal edge]

extra tank mitigation

[steep iris]

A N T I C I P A T I O N

also

what about crafters

oh wait nvm

they already have 10

[opal hollow]

Hmm alphascape? aplhinaud confirmed o12s boss?

[snow girder]

lol

[scenic patrol]

but Alphinaud is a beta bitch

[atomic mirage]

Many alpha turns on us 😂

[agile flax]

So since I main RDM, my gear is all crit based, but I felt like playing BLM from time to time. So with only a change in pants and weapon, I have 'enough' spell speed to get by but nothing great, but I hit like a freaking truck.

This makes experts with some friends difficult. XD

Word of the wise, do not recommend.

One dungeon I ran in did fine and I never seemed to pull. But when I run with another friend that is new to tanking, he keeps yelling at me to slow down and I'm not really sure how to do that with BLM.

Like how do I not hurt things when everything I cast is going to hurt?

[unreal flax]

Ice spells lololol

[lyric summit]

diversion and lucid is all you can do really

[unreal flax]

Also more ice spells up front. Less damage from you = more time to establish aggro lololol

[unreal lance]

Tell them to get more aggro

[azure hill]

If you're doing your part to use aggro reduction skills when appropriate, it's up to them to learn to hold aggro

[lyric summit]

get a ninja friend with smokescreen and shadewalker too

[unreal flax]

Hi, it's me. Your nin.

[agile flax]

XD loving all these responses.

Sadly I needed diversion every pull but cooldown is too long for that. Best I can do was use it when an AST wanted to cast a powered up balance on me. Otherwise that is really painful.

Guess I can spam fire II more. :x

I like the input on starting with ice more. Usually I prefer to open up with one of the two thunders and then move to fire. But starting ice could mean reduce mp cost on fire early on with blizzard 4 and then foul. So that is good.

See in boss fights/raids this is less of an issue. Its more just general dungeon crawls that are tedious. XD

[unreal flax]

I apologize being one of those DF tanks that pretty consistently manages to let at least one mob eat the caster lol

[agile flax]

pfft

Well that is what sleep is for. Its all good.

I'll get the hang of it one day. Otherwise I just stick to RDM. but I can see why most mages migrated over to RDM.

Just way easier to use and puts you to sleep while doing so.

[azure hill]

It's a decent class for raids and trials, but the anemic AoE makes it a bit underwhelming in dungeons

Unless you have enough mana to do Enhanced Moulinet, you're just standing there dealing chip damage with Scatter

[shadow pollen]

BLM is godly in large dungeon pulls

B3 -> T4 -> B4 -> F3 -> (Triplecast) -> FLARE -> FLARE -> (Convert) -> FLARE

[azure hill]

Yeah, your main goal in dungeons should be to burst down mobs as fast as possible

Don't forget to pop an ether for that fourth flare 😄

[scenic patrol]

!classlogs Odin Johni Bravo sch

[storm frost]

**FFLogs Data For Johni Bravo of Odin on SCH**

**Phantom Train**

Scholar: (10163/16393) [1649.41 DPS] [38 Historical] [00:00]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Scholar: (7981/15650) [1970.5 DPS] [49 Historical] [00:00]

**Guardian**

Scholar: (6322/11930) [1982.57 DPS] [47 Historical] [00:00]

[scenic patrol]

[dull radish]

@azure hill gotta get a mana shift for a fifth Flare~

[azure hill]

Oh shi, I didn't think of that

I need to get a friend to do that

[dull radish]

Mmhmm, and has to be timed specifically for it

[azure hill]

That sounds like a fun challenge 😁

[vital cypress]

so

who’s ready for O12S to require stun, silence, bind, and heavy

[pine beacon]

It'd build LB. So yes, I'd be up for it

Unless that's no longer a thing.

[normal mesa]

me

[vital cypress]

you want more role actions? okay

[keen crypt]

Can't wait for the melee's needing to cleanse heavy off one another

[glossy musk]

Tfw SMN can use even more dumb shit to get off wyrmwaves now

[unreal flax]

Yeah, RIP anyone relying on me to hit fuckin additional buttons.

[elder lark]

I have anywhere between zero and six spots on my jobs' bars for more shit so

[unreal flax]

My WAR is the only one with easily accessible empty slots. No, DRK as well.

PLD has one too many buttons, NIN has one too many buttons, MNK has one too many buttons, DRG has exactly the required amount of buttons. SAM has... I think 1 slot left.

[elder lark]

on RDM I have 3 spare button slots, on BRD I have 1, on BLM I have 5, on SMN I have 3, on DRG I have 2, on AST I have a whopping zero, on WHM I have 6, on SCH I have 3

[unreal flax]

Controller?

[elder lark]

Yep

and I already have Protect on my healers and my summons for SMN/SCH on the hidden additional slots because I'm lazy as shit and don't swap pets lol

[unreal flax]

Do you have LB and pot assigned on DRG?

[elder lark]

I have LB assigned on everything

[unreal flax]

Shared bar?

[elder lark]

Nah, I just put LB and Sprint in the same spots on every job

[unreal flax]

Ah.

[elder lark]

otherwise I'd forget where they are

[arctic field]

Smart

[unreal flax]

If I didn't shut down my computer before coming into the office, I'd take a screenshot of my bars for NIN/MNK/DRG lol. They all have LB in a different spot.

[elder lark]

so yeah I don't have space for more buttons rip

[unreal flax]

My NIN is the one that has the biggest advantage lol. Since I don't have to carry Diversion, I just bring Feint, Bloodbath, Second Wind, True North, and Arm's Length.

[thorn bear]

I don't know where I'd put extra role actiosn

on any class

I legit can't fit anything more on my pld cross hotbars

without having to relearn swapping hotbars quickly

[unreal flax]

I already have some things on my PLD bar on a bar I forget even exists.

[thorn bear]

the only thing I could take off is like

bulwark

and maybe my cover macro

[unreal flax]

You put that fuckin Bulwark right back on your bar. Get rid of your stance buttons.

[arctic field]

Oh, are we getting all of our role actions or something?

[unreal flax]

They're thinking of allowing us to take 10.

Wait

[thorn bear]

but I've had more then a few runs where going into shield oath saved the run

[unreal flax]

so yeah, that would be all

[thorn bear]

👀

[unreal flax]

Yeah, you put Shield Oath somewhere you can click on it lol

[arctic field]

I...uh...I dunno what to say

[thorn bear]

I'm on ps4

i play on pad

lol

[unreal flax]

Oh yeah, me too

lol

But

[arctic field]

I thought we were just getting one more

[unreal flax]

On PC instead.

I click my summons on SMN lol.

[thorn bear]

I play on pc when I want to parse

[arctic field]

I'd prefer better role actions to more role actions though

[thorn bear]

yeah I have 4 essential role actions and then like

+1 depending on the fight

[unreal flax]

OOH question, cuz I did a thing during O8S: Shadewalker on a tank that is currently shirking. Does this counter Shirk or does it add to Shirk?

[arctic field]

Shirk uses existing threat while Shadewalker is over time, right?

[unreal flax]

I think they're both over time.

[arctic field]

Shirk is on use though

It takes a portion of the tank's current threat and shunts it onto the target

[unreal flax]

Yup, 25% lol

So, not aggro generated. Just 25%.

[arctic field]

So if you Walker that tank, it won't be relevant by that time

[unreal flax]

So, it'll just keep them second on aggro. There might be a brief moment where they become MT depending on how much burst I do when I hit it, but it'll be a flash if anything.

[arctic field]

Yeah

[ornate blade]

and then u have that retard aisha that uses diversion and shadewalker at the same time

very high iq

"im increasing the tanks aggro and cutting my own"

[arctic field]

Wat

[last plank]

so i asume i should just go for ala mhigan for my crafting set next as i got the stats to craft it and then upgrade from there or pentameld it i dont know i just returned

then shoot for the master 3 book ?

or grab minimum melds with full ala mhigan and then minimum meld it to shoot for 3star?

[unreal lance]

Yes

Unless you want someone else to make it, but that's no fun

[last plank]

no want self sustain 😛

alrighty seems not as bad as it is then tho might need the books of each class cuz they all make seperate pieces if i remember

[empty plover]

What's war bis food?

[last plank]

oh turns out that i grinded those 2star books before i quit so neat now just gotta grind mats and then grind the t3 ones i guess

[scenic patrol]

@empty plover tako Yaki for all tanks

[empty plover]

Ty

[unreal flax]

Because I don't remember where this information was contained, Guardian and God Kefka are both 6th GCD Trick fights, right? It just feels that way to me.

[lyric summit]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UfWHBn61fleUEkAwY-6W-OJ__gbsqLreq_fOd05ImcI/edit#heading=h.wyq7lkepvdmr says they're both 5th bhava opener fights

[unreal flax]

Interesting.

I was doing the 5th TCJ openers on both lol.

[elder lark]

after 90 minutes of nonsense I finally got the damn first protean crystal in Eureka 😐

[heavy mist]

grats

[true lark]

hello final fantasy fourteen plyaers give this a ponder thanks

https://np.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8zffkn/gauging_interest_for_raid_training_programs/

[heavy mist]

@true lark is this just something to think about or to say something if it sounds interesting

[true lark]

i'd work on developing it if there was both 1. enough interest (there is obviously enough interest, just idk how much) and 2. a way to implement a system that rewards both trainers and trainees

[heavy mist]

i see

I'd assume you would make either like a standalone application, discord server, or Application that tags into FFXIV

[true lark]

it'd be based on a discord server, whether in the balance or as an offshoot idk yet

[heavy mist]

ah okay

Well Good luck. Its a good idea, but practice, might be iffy in the beginning at least

👌

do wish for it to succeed

[opal hollow]

Man hearing about BLM just makes me wanna hop on and play it

Also @agile flax make sure you're not focus firing on thing

Rotate between targets

Usually I'll triple flare 3 different targets

And foul a 4th target

I've never been able to take aggro from min ilvl tanks doing this

Or if youre using f4 cycle between the mobs

[opal hollow]

tfw you get your drop after the second run

guess it makes up for the cancer of yesterday

[arctic field]

Bolts?

[opal hollow]

nah

skallic chest

had 1 run with a basically afk person and gave up

second run was today

[arctic field]

Oooh, fending?

[opal hollow]

casting

legit took 5 hours for fending one

[arctic field]

Oh, nice

[opal hollow]

i just hope i never want anything else from here

[arctic field]

Aiming?

[opal hollow]

i fucking hope not

cuz i threw that one away

tbh i had everything except for casting at one point or another

would've been smart to save them but o wells

i can regret it later :))

the less i can see

the more damage i can do

[arctic field]

No conductor hat 😞

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ooft

hmmm

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Do you have a shot from another angle?

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that's from the raid right

yeah sure

one sec doing a hunt

im tempted to dye it pure black

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Skalla casting hat

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Nice, nice

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fk i regret not tanking mahisha every time i do it

i swear nobody on my world knows how to tank it

and i end up tanking it LMAO

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Mahisha?

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the A rank in the lochs

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Ah

Sorry, I don't hunt xD

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ahh LOL

idk why but people on my world always either die to it instantly or just keep dragging him across the area

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I'm just really luck with reclaiming my materia

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legit we'll start from one end of the area and end up on the other end

bruh