endgame-lounge

[dull radish]

at the same time though, folks are so quick to blame stuff like that entirely for their poor play

sure it can be worth a decent bit

[brave maple]

true

[dull radish]

but you can optimize a heck of a lot even without

[brave maple]

Once your scorss stop going up then start looking at other things 😛

[buoyant wave]

That SAM = dead is an old joke now

slinks back

[pure yoke]

Samurais bullied me in 4.0

[brave maple]

Our SAM joked that he was gonna go Monk

[mighty shale]

people should start wanting classes once they at their peak without one

[buoyant wave]

But for real, if you suck at SAM

Go Monk

[brave maple]

the other DPS went "PLEASE!!!!"

[pure yoke]

"Haha drg suck swap to ninja you cuck"

[spice comet]

Mnk is prettty nice, mantra

[brave maple]

"Red Mage sucks dlete your character you piece of shit" - Actually said to me by that SAM

Monk is just fun to play

[buoyant wave]

I hate Monk more than SAM fun wise

[paper torrent]

BUTTON LIGHTS UP

I PUNCH BUTTON

[brave maple]

ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA

I find Samurai just unsatisfying for some reason

btu play whatchu like 😃

and be prepared for a patch to fuck shit up

[tiny kraken]

Well i mean I hope SAM gets some buffs to catch up soon.. But at the same time I fear we would get the same treatment as DRKs do xD

[scenic patrol]

Lol, SAM is a lot farther behind compared to DRK

[tiny kraken]

I just hope when we get buffs it's not just a 10 potency increase to midare >w<

[dull radish]

oh, it probably will be

[scenic patrol]

They will buff both in 4.3 most likely

[mighty lantern]

Aether currents in eureka pls

[hybrid rapids]

Flying will spoil the fun of explorations

[brave maple]

NOOOO

No flying in Eureka

I agree with @hybrid rapids

[tiny kraken]

It would be nice to have hidden aetherytes in certain locations though

ones that don't show on the map, that would be cool

[stable basin]

Flying in Eureka would probably end it

[brave maple]

Think about what flying did to the overworld in HW and SB

[stable basin]

Anyone who didn't already meet the requirements for flying would basically never be able to get a foothold

[dull radish]

or you could ask a higher leveled friend to cart you around on a two-seater

[stable basin]

Yeah that would really be the only way though (see how hard a time low levels already have making it in time to NM)

[spice comet]

The good/bad thing is u can still die to aggro in 2 seater

If ur friend is aiming to kill u

[stable basin]

On another point, is it still reasonably viable to static up for savage at this point if you're still basically new to sigma or is it pug only till o9s drops now?

Unless already at 7/8?

[brave maple]

Statics are always forming and breaking and recruiting

[queen quartz]

Yeah might static has been looking for a perm melee for this entire tier

[brave maple]

Its uncommon that a static makes it through an entire tier without having to replace members

[stable basin]

Yeah but that's usually at Guardian

I mean one that's willing to start (over) at train

[brave maple]

Not neccessarily

[spice comet]

Seeing how many v5s pugs r happening yea statics r always around

[brave maple]

yah

[spice comet]

Same for v1s, my old static i ended up with started a month or 2 late

We bis everyone right before they got rid of the lockout 💦

[brave maple]

New people are always entering raid, some statics are slow

in some cases people will be willing to clear you through if you're good enough

[spice comet]

N thats how i initially got my v4s clear fun times 💦

[brave maple]

It's how I got my initial A5S clear XD

[spice comet]

Joined pt a gods or something

[brave maple]

and my ExDaddy clear

[spice comet]

With sick cohealer that popped perfect earthly stars

[brave maple]

I should join trap parties to learn how to tank 5 and 6

[spice comet]

👌 good stuff

[brave maple]

all the freaking knockbacks this xpac has made me want to play PLD

[untold oyster]

Just play a melee or caster or healer and use your anti knock back ;o

[brave maple]

which brings me to my favorite rant of late

[hybrid rapids]

idk how guardian become a bottleneck for them

[brave maple]

WHY THE FUCK DID SE NOT GIVE RANGED DPS ANTIKNOCKBACK

[dull radish]

because they don't lose anything when they get knocked back

[hybrid rapids]

They given sprint

And they removed casting from ranger

Isn’t DRK worse?

Usually DRK plays the role MT

And without anti knockback, it’s hard to repositioning the boss

You only have a plunge

With long animation

[untold oyster]

usually people dont take DRK

[hybrid rapids]

WOW

[mighty shale]

drk is such a hassle for healers

[hybrid rapids]

remember the good ol day?

a12s

[untold oyster]

ah the only tier where drk was truely useful ;o

[hybrid rapids]

Remember the ultimate world first clear?

[untold oyster]

mreh thats different

[mighty shale]

our drk played pld but then went drk

the only thing good about drk to me is the animations

[untold oyster]

doesn't playing drk require you to spam dark arts between every gcd or something

[mighty shale]

otherwise you're just dealing with a tank that sucks to heal

[untold oyster]

the thought of that turns me off from playing it

[mighty shale]

something like that yeah

it's not a bad job, it's also not good compared to the others

[heavy mist]

its certainly an experience Locke

to play DRK someimes

[paper torrent]

you don't play DRK to raid

you play DRK to mob

👌

[stable basin]

@heavy mist I like DRK myself.

But it's definitely gutted from what it was.

[wet stag]

I mean

I'm progging godka as drk

Because it's fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pure yoke]

DRK should be fine

the only physical thing in the fight outside of autos is Ultimate Embrace

[wet stag]

Ofc drk is fine lmfao

[stable basin]

What is one of the most common mistakes a DRK does?

[glossy musk]

plays drk

[paper torrent]

mana management

forgetting DA on C and S

[wet stag]

Capping gauge, capping mp, burning mp when you don't need to

[paper torrent]

also i've seen some early drks forget their delerium

[wet stag]

Holding cooldowns too long

[stable basin]

I often find myself oom because i DA everything

[wet stag]

Yeah

Hover around 4800

[stable basin]

That's so much tho

[paper torrent]

not when c and S comes up

and tbn

[wet stag]

Yeah but it's for emergency da or emergency tbn

[stable basin]

Wait what's c and s?

[wet stag]

I say emergency but it's nothing that dramatic

[paper torrent]

carve and spit

[wet stag]

Carve and spit

[stable basin]

Ah CS

[paper torrent]

i've heard it done as that or CnS

[wet stag]

I like calling it carve

[stable basin]

But then I DA BS and... CS... And SS?

Not much more left that would be worth it

[wet stag]

You don't need to dabs

Dabs if you have mp

Don't otherwise

[paper torrent]

BS, SS, and SE are all equal potency gains

CnS gains much more

[wet stag]

And by "have mp" I mean more than 4800

Your priority da is always cs

[paper torrent]

wouldn't you want to dip slightly lower

during TA though

since if you CnS during TA

[stable basin]

CS has such a long CD tho

:<

[wet stag]

During TA go ahead and burn all your mp

Dark arts everything

[paper torrent]

you don' thave to worry about mana

for anything else really besides tbn

[wet stag]

As long as you're not overcapping mp you good

[stable basin]

TA?

[paper torrent]

!action trick attack

[storm frost]

**Trick Attack** : lvl 18 Rogue (60 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 240.
400 when executed from a target's rear.
Rear Bonus: Increases target's damage taken by 10%
Duration: 10s
Can only be executed while under the effect of Hide.

[wet stag]

Trick attack

[stable basin]

Ah that's advanced

[wet stag]

Yeah

[stable basin]

Haven't gotten that far yet

[paper torrent]

!action Carve and Spit

[storm frost]

**Carve And Spit** : lvl 60 Dark Knight (60 second cooldown)

Delivers a threefold attack with a potency of 100. Also restores MP if used while not under the effect of Dark Arts.
Dark Arts Potency: 450
Dark Arts fades upon execution.

[wet stag]

For now go ahead and just practice gauge management/mp management

That's the first step imo

[paper torrent]

60 sec CDs line up with raid buffs

in a perfect scenario ofc

but in general they line up fairly well to begin with

so you can generally get the most out of DACS

[stable basin]

I like to use DA all the time tho, makes the combat feel a lot faster

[paper torrent]

you can also internally time yourlself because 5 TBNs

[stable basin]

Otherwise it's only 3 buttons most of the time..

[paper torrent]

5th TBN will require 4800 mana

[scenic patrol]

Yes, but using DA all the time is not good DRK gameplay

[stable basin]

:<

[paper torrent]

this game is about burst windows anyway

[scenic patrol]

Especially for prog

[stable basin]

What do you mean 5th tho´? we talking MT or OT?

[paper torrent]

sustain DPS comes later

TBN will just be on cooldown period

it's always a dps gain if you never overcap blood

[wet stag]

Er

[scenic patrol]

Nobody talks about MT vs OT when it comes to tank DPS

It should be the same

[wet stag]

Not really

It's usually at least dps neutral

[paper torrent]

is it really

even without healer dps factored in?

[wet stag]

Oh

Rdps

[scenic patrol]

It's sometimes a gain sometimes a loss

[stable basin]

Do you use TBN on CD or time it?

[scenic patrol]

Time it for busters

Or AOE

[paper torrent]

TBN should be used for busters

[wet stag]

I generally only use it for tank busters since idk fights

But like

Guardian and kefka autos fucking hurt

[paper torrent]

Train autos also kinda hurt

[stable basin]

What about exdr? When pulling big packs

[paper torrent]

especially if you come in under geared

[wet stag]

Yeah

[scenic patrol]

Exdr?

[stable basin]

I think I might unleash too many times tbh

expert roulette

[paper torrent]

Expert roulette

[stable basin]

Lastet dungepons

[wet stag]

Abyssal for dps

[paper torrent]

pull wall to wall

[scenic patrol]

Unleash at most 2 times during pulls

[paper torrent]

DADP

[wet stag]

Don't unleash

[paper torrent]

abyssal drain

[wet stag]

DADP on more than 2 enemies

Anyway I gtg for a bit

[paper torrent]

he said EXDR

so i assume this was for packs exclusively but yes

[stable basin]

Abyssal drain, but what if mobs are spastic

Like some dn't get hit

[scenic patrol]

Still Abyssal

And TBN on CD

During trash pulls

[paper torrent]

TBN on CD for mobs yeah i'm drunk

[stable basin]

Hm what do you use to pick up the adds that are stubborn and away?

[paper torrent]

single target ranged attack

[stable basin]

Unmend?

[paper torrent]

unmend yeah

[stable basin]

Mh

[paper torrent]

if ther'es more than one

[stable basin]

Also costs MP

[paper torrent]

run back and pull

with AB

AD*

[scenic patrol]

Why are mobs away from the pack though?

[paper torrent]

congrats

welcome to DRK

where everything costs fucking mana

[stable basin]

Because they start casting something or w/e

Or they are roaming there where they are standing still

[scenic patrol]

Just run through them

[stable basin]

Or you got dumbass dps dpsing

[paper torrent]

you run past mobs and then AD

AD's range is acutally pretty good

[scenic patrol]

And tag them with Unleash

[paper torrent]

about pulling shit

[stable basin]

Aha AD backwards?

But say there is more than two packs, I'll be oom cause of unleash

[scenic patrol]

Don't AD during pulls honestly

[paper torrent]

oom because of unleash

i'm sorry what

[stable basin]

Maybe I spam it to much? Idk

[paper torrent]

if you're running out of mana

[stable basin]

Do you DA AD?

[paper torrent]

you must not have quieteus

[scenic patrol]

You use Quietus?

[stable basin]

Yeh but that's when they pile up

[scenic patrol]

Just don't DA Quietus

If you are not capping

[paper torrent]

you shouldn't have problems with mana with quieteus

[stable basin]

I am so trigger happy on DA tho I wish it cost half the MP

[paper torrent]

stop spamming DA

[scenic patrol]

Honestly, half of your problems seems to be from over spamming DA

[stable basin]

But do I DA AD to heal myself during pulls?

[paper torrent]

you shouldn't run out of mana in pulls

[scenic patrol]

DRK is all about resource management

[stable basin]

Or after they are grouped

[paper torrent]

at least not to the point where you lose aggro

[stable basin]

Dat DA tho >:I

[scenic patrol]

Yes if you have excess mana

[stable basin]

o.o how do I heal myself then

[scenic patrol]

You have a healer

[paper torrent]

You... don't need to

[stable basin]

HAH

[paper torrent]

you have a healer m8

[stable basin]

Then they blame me

[scenic patrol]

Your goal is to keep aggro and dps as much as you can

[paper torrent]

if you're not standing in aoes

and you're decntly geared

[scenic patrol]

Self heal is a bonus

[paper torrent]

tell them they're shit

[scenic patrol]

That comes with big pulls

[paper torrent]

oh yeah and using defensive CDs

[stable basin]

So I try to do DA AD -> Quietus -> DA AD -> Quietus

[paper torrent]

rampart is suck yo.

is the succ*

[stable basin]

Also pop SE and BP with TBN

[paper torrent]

you forgot a DADP in there somewhere

[scenic patrol]

Also during pulls stop melee combo at SS

[stable basin]

ok so I 1) use too much DA 2) have no clue what to use during the pull

Oh yeh DP first

AD DP*

[scenic patrol]

If you need mana during pull do Hard Syphon and then continue as usual

Don't use SE during trash

[stable basin]

It's like he says use AD and one unleash, you say don't use AD

What's wrong wit hSE? o.o

It increases Blood Gauge

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, but it's a huge waste if you can use another GCD instead

With the mana

Also mana is more important than blood during pulls

[stable basin]

Fast quietus tho :<

[scenic patrol]

Hence the uncompleted Souleater combo

[paper torrent]

DRK mobbing revolves around mana

using SE is gimping yourself on potency

[stable basin]

So you never finish off with SS on trash?

[scenic patrol]

Just hard slash Syphon Strike

No Souleater

[stable basin]

Oh fuck

[scenic patrol]

Seems backwards, but that is how it is

[stable basin]

Waaait

No

Yeah

I meant salted earth first* wrote SE but it's the same in short as souleater q-q

So basically skip soul eater, got it

[scenic patrol]

Salted Earth on CD

[stable basin]

I can see why souleater isn't worth it

[scenic patrol]

Need a macro?

[paper torrent]

Salted Earth in pulls gets you basically free quieteus everywhere

every tick on per mob gives you one blood

[scenic patrol]

Use
/micon "Salted Earth"
/ac "Salted Earth" <me>

[paper torrent]

combine that with blood price

[stable basin]

Yeah that's what I meant as well but used the wrong term (SE)

[paper torrent]

i just call that Salted

i dunno what other people use but that's what i use

[stable basin]

Ty for the help guys! I need to head to bed but this was very informative

[scenic patrol]

Aye, no problem my man

[stable basin]

Have a lovely day/evening/night/morning

But wait one more thing

So DA AD during pulling or not?

Or just AD or no AD at all?

[scenic patrol]

Yes if excess mana

No if it will cost you a TBN cast

Or more importantly, a DA DP cast

[stable basin]

Ah! True

AD or Unleash?

Which one is better

[scenic patrol]

Unleash for initial aggro

[wet stag]

I like unleash to pull, AD for dps

[scenic patrol]

AD for after

[paper torrent]

unleash tags shit easier

but AD sustains aggro better

ESPECIALLY WHEN MOTHERUFCKING BLMS DONT' DIVERSION

[scenic patrol]

Nah, Unleash has better aggro

It's just that it has shit potency

50 vs 120

The Enmity multiplier on Unleash is crazy

[stable basin]

Oki, take care kind ppl!

[scenic patrol]

If you are on EU we can run some shit together

I just need a level 70 DPS

[stable basin]

I'm starting to wonder if O9-12 will even have or need a normal mode or just Savage

If the relic upgrade drops with 4.4 the whole 380 raid set is basically DOA anyway

[steady pebble]

the relic isn't going to change whether we get a normal mode or not

[stable basin]

Like how sigma 1-3 seem to be a ghost town

Since yeah in the time to get any 350 left side you can just get eureka stuff with 5 slots

[steady pebble]

and we also don't know if the relic armour is going to upgrade high enough

to be useable in the last tier

[paper torrent]

Relic will never be competitive

Thats just diadem 3.0 and se knows that is a shitshow

[scenic patrol]

Relic will be compititive in around 4.5

Wait scratch that, 4.55

4.5 is last ultimate

I doubt relic will be BiS for Ultimate prog

[paper torrent]

That would be hella stupid

Relic being BIS

Would get SE a lot of shit from raiders

[hybrid rapids]

i'm thinking what would be 4.5 ultimate

and 5.0 onward

or there won't have any

[scenic patrol]

4.55 Relic is likely caught up to savage gear

Not sure if armor as well

[hybrid rapids]

tbh relic won't help much

[scenic patrol]

True

[hybrid rapids]

at least coil ultimate is heavily focus on mechanic

and DPS is tight

[steady pebble]

relic is usually BiS at the end of its life, @paper torrent

[scenic patrol]

But it will even out the playing field between raiders and none raiders

A lot

[steady pebble]

but the thing is

the end of is life is when its basically irrelevant

[hybrid rapids]

i would say savage and ultimate has a huge gaps

[steady pebble]

you won't need it for savage

[scenic patrol]

We'll have the next ultimate in what, like 2 months?

[hybrid rapids]

maybe glamour use

[steady pebble]

tho there's a few time when it does become like pretty close to being BiS before that

[paper torrent]

Not for relevant content. This is the first ultimate in which we would be with a relic so

[steady pebble]

when you hit the 'choose your own stats' stage

[hybrid rapids]

but i think currently, eureka equipment is irrelevant

might be helpful for people who starting from 5s or trying to go pass 7s

[scenic patrol]

Eureka equipment is too behind to be worth anything for someone who raids

[hybrid rapids]

it's good for alternate i would say

[scenic patrol]

But if Eureka is 430 at the end with a 435 weapon it'll be BiS

Pentamelding armor bois!

[hybrid rapids]

even raider like us, have trouble gearing up alternate

[scenic patrol]

True

I love the fact that MNK will be raid ready for me in like 2 weeks

[hybrid rapids]

good raider can complete the fight with ilvl 350

[severe notch]

Ye

[hybrid rapids]

so they just need to gear up

[scenic patrol]

And relic is actually equivalent to 358

[grizzled seal]

eureka is super irrelevant for raid progression

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic patrol]

For now

[mighty shale]

eh, it will be for a while

it might become relevant at the end of expac

[glossy musk]

It's good for catchup and funsies

[cerulean pilot]

finally hit purple for the first time ever

I can go die now

[hybrid rapids]

rip

[boreal edge]

@cerulean pilot gz

[stable basin]

actually i'm wondering now how much of a pain it's going to be on the sprouts when they reach omega

now they're going to have seven things they're basically 95% obligated to PF or suffer mind-wracking queue times

[scenic patrol]

I have unlocked Creator when I joined in 3.4

They'll do fine

[stable basin]

I'm saying the difference caused by Eureka there

[scenic patrol]

Eh?

[stable basin]

not only is Deltascape a ghost town, O5-7N became irrelevant content overnight more or less

[boreal edge]

@stable basin i have sprout drg with o7s on farm

[stable basin]

because of the gear being on the ilvl of the Eureka stuff

there is absolutely afaik no reason to ever get another Carborundum item?

[boreal edge]

why?

[stable basin]

so the only thing relevant is the crystalloid from kefka

[boreal edge]

not everyone can buy crafted

[stable basin]

@boreal edge eureka gear is same ilvl with 3 more +40'able slots

[unique wolf]

love me some o5n

[scenic patrol]

I just hope they'll add raid roulette

[stable basin]

@scenic patrol that would be neat but they'd have to figure out how to deal with Coil

[boreal edge]

farming eureka takes 34 hours minimum

[scenic patrol]

Eureka doesn't have accessories or belt

[boreal edge]

not everyone has 34 hours farming nms

[stable basin]

I could logically see a raid roulette that included the Alex and Omega normals (maybe not the current tier though)

but even regular Coil was more or less tuned to be what Savage is now, no?

[scenic patrol]

That's exactly what I want

[boreal edge]

there is no coil

[scenic patrol]

And coil NM was savage

Yes

[boreal edge]

nm

nm coil

[stable basin]

which basically means unless you want savage roulette ... lol

[boreal edge]

coil was savage

[scenic patrol]

NM coil is not suitable for pugs

[boreal edge]

savage roulette is pointless

[scenic patrol]

Coil also had savage

Which was pointless

[steady pebble]

coil only had 1 savage mode

and i dont think 2nd coil savage can really be counted among the savage we have now

[stable basin]

@steady pebble i mean the normal coil was basically the same difficulty tier that savage omega is now

[steady pebble]

Yes, I know

my comment was more directed at Johni than you

[unique wolf]

how was savage coil pointless

[stable basin]

not sure where savage coil fits on the difficulty ladder

[unique wolf]

[stable basin]

higher than omega savage i'm certain but probably not on alex savage level

[steady pebble]

i would personally put it in a similar spot to ultimate

[stable basin]

A8S synced is probably the hardest fight in the game after UCOB?

[steady pebble]

its entire point was to be there for the challenge

[unique wolf]

its way easier than ultimate

[stable basin]

i mean, it goes UCOB, A8S, then others

[steady pebble]

not really speaking on a difficulty

personally

[stable basin]

Seven hells, A8S will kick your ass even at 70 in SB savage gear if you take it with the kid gloves

fucking height error

[unique wolf]

a8s is the best fight in the game besides ucob

[scenic patrol]

I want to tackle old hard content at some point

But finding a group for it is impossible

[unique wolf]

its not impossible

[stable basin]

I've seen Alex Savage PFs pretty often on Aether

at least apart from the last week or so when it's been "Eureka Anemos the MMO, BONUS! Also includes Final Fantasy XIV"

[unique wolf]

but players who do ilvl synced content are typically not people who arent in statics already

[stable basin]

you don't have to sync alex savage for it to be hard

[scenic patrol]

I have a static, it's just that the priority is prog>speed

[unique wolf]

[stable basin]

4, 6, 8, 11, and 12 are all plenty challenging even unsync

[scenic patrol]

And maybe then we will do old content

[unique wolf]

doing ilvl synced is basically prog

[stable basin]

ours is actually the opposite, we're doing old content and probably won't be touching sigmascape for a long time yet

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, it's just that we haven't completed the tier yet

[stable basin]

i've thought of getting together a second static for sigmascape actually since probably 4.38 will drop before my main group gets there and we only do one night a week anyway so i've got plenty free

[unique wolf]

if you havent cleared the current content i honestly dont think your group will be doing well enough to beat any of the old content at min ilvl to be honest

[stable basin]

yeah alex savage was absolutely serious business

[scenic patrol]

I am week 3 in my static

And they are raiding overall for 5 weeks?

[stable basin]

alex savage broke friendships

THIS IS NOT A TOY

[scenic patrol]

I have yet to do prog on Tuesday since the day I joined em

:(

[stable basin]

3 and 6 especially

[boreal edge]

min ilvl is a meme option

[unique wolf]

what does that mean

[stable basin]

3 is actually pretty fun unsync though

[unique wolf]

yet to do prog

[boreal edge]

almost no one do it

[stable basin]

6 is still annoying af (FUCK YOU HEIGHT ERROR)

[unique wolf]

heigh error is an easy mechanic

just use your eyeballs

[stable basin]

heh tiff

[scenic patrol]

Basically each Tuesday since the first time I joined something has come up for a member

[boreal edge]

height error isceasy

[scenic patrol]

So prog was canceled

[stable basin]

the problem is usually fucking up height error because you're trying to do some other mechanic at the same time

[unique wolf]

sounds like a bad static

[scenic patrol]

Nah, just adults

[unique wolf]

how does not being able to show up for a scheduled event make you an adult

[stable basin]

especially on a8s, where you have all 4 of the a6s bots to worry about at once in p2

[unique wolf]

thats the opposite of being an adult

[scenic patrol]

I dunno, will you raid when your grandma died?

[unique wolf]

you have had something come up 3 weeks in a row

[boreal edge]

@scenic patrol i can understard RL being shit but if your RL hindering you from making it at least 90% of the time then u dont belong to one

[stable basin]

that happens a lot to adults tiff

[scenic patrol]

Eh, it's not the same people

[stable basin]

especially the kind that actually have those ... what are those things that look like lalas again?

[boreal edge]

if it happens once in 3 weeks ok np

but not every damn week

[unique wolf]

it doesnt. we have 5 working adults in my group and we have almost never canceled raid

[boreal edge]

since we started sigmascape

[unique wolf]

or if a day was cancelled we have rescheduled

[boreal edge]

yesterday was 1st time we cancelled a night

all it takes is managing your life better

which most ppl dont

[unique wolf]

exactly

[scenic patrol]

And I can't reschedule

At all

I am hard locked each week since the Tuesday of the week before

[boreal edge]

urgent cases can still pop still

but im not talking about that

[scenic patrol]

I dunno, I am annoyed as well and hope to fix that

But for now not much I can do

[boreal edge]

how much is the rate

of grandfather and your bro die in same week

for example

it can happen

but still extremely rare

[scenic patrol]

Currently one of the healers is on a business trip in Berlin

We tried playing with him

[boreal edge]

if someone cant make it here

[scenic patrol]

But it was not possible

[boreal edge]

i still have 3 competents fillers

[scenic patrol]

Today we will have a replacement

[boreal edge]

in case one guy cant make it

most ppl dont manage their RL better

and blame rl for it

tho germany have decent internet or so i heard

[deep wadi]

I'm curious - on O8S, how do you tell if Kefka's faking the AoEs or not?

It's obvious as fuck on o8n

[dull radish]

It's obvious in Savage too

Question marks/sound/buff on boss

And charge/release is always consistently the same

[deep wadi]

The ❓ on the orbs, yeah?

[zinc vortex]

there's a sound effect too

[dull radish]

Yeah, well the orbs themselves even

[deep wadi]

Gotcha

So they just removed the AoE cue

[dull radish]

AoE cue? I mean, I guess it's been a while since I've done normal mode

[zinc vortex]

i have no clue what you mean by AoE cue

[dull radish]

Yeah me neither haha

[hybrid rapids]

I only did normal once

Is there a cue in normal?

[zinc vortex]

oooh i think i get it

no wait i dont

maybe he's talking about mana release not having fake/real indicators?

thats the only thing i can think of

[hybrid rapids]

Oh wait

I get it

In normal mode, the ? is at the overlay

Right?

In savage, it’s at kefka

[dull radish]

Oh I dunno, can't say that I've ever noticed

I know it's also on kefka in normal at least, might also be in the AoE as well, not sure

[boreal edge]

no

the aoes had question marks on ground in nm

in savage question marks in orbs itself

[deep wadi]

^

It's also in the orbs on normal kefka

But there's question marks all over the AoE if it's faked on normal

[boreal edge]

kefka is still simple in savage

[deep wadi]

It's godka that's an ass, I hear

[boreal edge]

hardest thing in savage is his dps check

god kefka is cancer

til u get used to it

but its fun fight

[dull radish]

God kefka is cozy fight

[stable basin]

yay got a second +2

debating if i'll keep eureka'ing after i get to 19 and get the 6 feathers for these two or if i'll take a break unless friends drag me in

then again, friends drag me in a lot anyway so xD

[boreal edge]

you need to be 20

be4 4.35

for next step

[hybrid rapids]

Nobody knows what’s in 4.3 or 4.35 yet

[boreal edge]

thats if we assume that they gonna increase level cap by then

u dont need to know it

you can literally expect it

4.3 will have 1 expert

[hybrid rapids]

I know, my point was

[boreal edge]

1 trial

maybe new crafted set

new ultimate fight

[hybrid rapids]

Shouldn’t use words like need, must, and etc for uncertain thing

[boreal edge]

new 24 man

new relic step

new hilde

[hybrid rapids]

It’s easily to make confusion

[stable basin]

that's also still up in the air i imagine, if we're actually going to get relic steps on odd patches this time or just on tier patches

[boreal edge]

maybe we will see new lv70 PoTD

[hybrid rapids]

It’s like before SB hits

[stable basin]

or for that matter if eureka will still even be popular by then or if the next stages will be as rare as 280 diadem emergency mission weapons

[hybrid rapids]

People keep telling me confirmed blue mage

Including you spearya ;-;

I was expecting it

Then disappointed

[boreal edge]

i did say blue mage wont happen

[hybrid rapids]

That was later

[stable basin]

at least the NMs are supposed to scale down so even if you end up with eureka being like diadem where most instances are a single party you'll probably be okay

[hybrid rapids]

After another fan fest

[boreal edge]

it doesnt work with how the game designed

[stable basin]

though mechanics don't scale down, so hi there equivalent of 10 man wow heroic raid lol

@boreal edge my guess is if we do ever get BLU it'll have Azulmagia as its job quest boss to at least simulate the BLU spell learning process via quests

[deep wadi]

I'm speculating geomancer

It's mentioned in AST 60+ quests

My guess is that, though, a guess

[stable basin]

Necromancer pls

[lyric summit]

void mage

would probably be the closest

dead things go back to the aether and arcanist is aether mage so

arcanist = necromancer? ish

and wasn't the AST geomancer just a conjurer but without the tree hugging bs

[dull radish]

Pretty much

[blazing pelican]

Everytime someone says "Geomancer will be the next job!", my opinion of the observational skills of the average player goes even further down. It was really obvious that Geomancer was just conjurer with a different name during the quests.

[woeful prawn]

@deep wadi he does real/fake either with or without question marks and then he "remembers" it for the next time he uses it.

1. fake or real share/spread fire

2. use the share/spread fire from 1 and then does fake/real thunders

3. fake/real thunders

4. fake/real blizzard

5. does the thunder + blizzard at the same time using what he did for 1 and 2 at the same time

[dull radish]

Nice thing about the thunder+blizzard is safe spot during charge is same as safe spot during release, as long as you don't move boss prematurely

[stable basin]

I suppose ACN is the closest we'll ever get to Necromancer... But I wish it was darker

Like smn and sch just take this light hearted turn and that's it...

I guess what I'd like is a hemomancer

[jovial bear]

The Eorzean version would be voidmages. But then you would get hunted down by the Padjals

[random swallow]

hey is there a dedicated WAR server somewhere?

[sullen sable]

1. fuck johnny's 6H
2. all the job discords got merged into the Balance a while back

i can get you a link, sec

[random swallow]

haha

6H MFC

[sullen sable]

https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3
head to the bot channel and give yourself the warrior role

should show you the correct channels

the pins in war questions should be helpful

[random swallow]

oh nice! thanks a lot

[dull radish]

I should unmute the tank channels sometime, mainly in them for occasional info/reference

But some chill folks in there

[random swallow]

I am trying to find recent values on stats

because I dont know if I should meld DH or tenacity as an alternative to crit/det

[dull radish]

For WAR DH really isn't worth, because of how IR and DH work

But they go plenty into that in those channels

And can explain whatever better than I can haha

[random swallow]

I know it isnt worth, but someone saw me with tenacity in my headgear and was like wtf

and I thought "okay am I wrong or is he wrong?"

[grizzled seal]

You can run tenacity, but the other stats are usually better

[dull radish]

Yeah tenacity is pretty low value

[grizzled seal]

unless there is super much incoming damage

[dull radish]

It's not bad but it's generally not enough to make a notable difference

Still need same mitigation and healing haha

[random swallow]

well the problem is

the anemos headgear

is maxed out on crit > det

and the last slot has to be either tenacity or DH

it's not "running" it, it's putting in there whichever is .. useful ?

[dull radish]

Do you have enough sks on your gear naturally without melds? If not that'd be a good place for it

[random swallow]

more than enough for 5 FC's in one IR

even with 1 of the rings unmelded

thought I still havent done the math in case I get diamond pants/chest

[dull radish]

It probably doesn't really matter too much what you meld if crit and det are capped and you have enough sks elsewhere then

[random swallow]

gotcha! thanks a lot

[unique wolf]

you can do 5 gcds under IR with even 2.48 gcd

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, but miss timing IR even by a little bit will lose you a Cleave

2.38 is the recommended BiS due to how forgiving it is and how everything lines up perfectly

[high ether]

i finally hit WAR 70 today

and with my lag i will never be able to play it optimally

[scenic patrol]

just don't double weave

and you'll do fne

[true lark]

👀

[blissful torrent]

anybody know why the registeration at balance doesnt work for me?

[true lark]

you're using a - instead of a ~

probably

[opaque tide]

Random question about tanks, I notice in 6s for the aero stack mechanic a tank usually does it solo with a big Cooldown like HG or LD. Is this mechanic impossible for WAR to do solo since Holmgang has limited range?

I'm assuming thats one reason why you don't go double WAR but idk

[pure yoke]

Holmgang is better used for Kiss

and Warrior can't melee it

from there

so they lose 6 seconds of uptime

I tried to max melee it back in prog

and you can't do it

unless my brain is too small

[opaque tide]

How much damage does Kiss do? I didn't think it did that much but idk

[pure yoke]

idk

[opaque tide]

ohhh

Well I have

[pure yoke]

Paladin can line up holy spirit

for stack

so they lose no uptime

[opaque tide]

DRK at 70 too so if I ever need to switch off WAR I should be good

oh wow I was wondering about that

thats super nice for PLD then

[pure yoke]

they lose some sword autos

but hey better than nothing

[opaque tide]

yeah i'm p sure DRK loses full uptime from what i've seen lol

[pure yoke]

they can be a super greed lord

[opaque tide]

ya. I think for the time being PLD will be my last tank to 70 since i'm leveling WAR atm but having all 3 there sounds pretty nice

[hybrid rapids]

@opaque tide kiss does like 70%~80% of a tank HP (without strong defense buff), the problem is kiss always come right after raid wide aoe

that's the reason it could kill a tank

[pure yoke]

I finally remembered to start uploading pov videos

[hybrid rapids]

did you start the fight with elusive jump?

[pure yoke]

yes

[hybrid rapids]

10/10

[pure yoke]

@hybrid rapids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY-srjP4IrI

[hybrid rapids]

i can't watch it

any cute voice in your video?

[pure yoke]

idk

[opaque tide]

@hybrid rapids ohh that makes sense

[pure yoke]

you can tell who is me

because I sound hella asian

[hybrid rapids]

idk why iluna sounds more like an asian than me

i dk how to talk like an asian but am an asian but people don't believe me

[pure yoke]

I'm pretty quiet\

most of the time

[hybrid rapids]

i will watch it later

👌

[vital bolt]

How bad is a mostly bonus A12S currently?

[hybrid rapids]

you can skip shit tons of mechanics

unless the players are very bad

some mechanic still wipe the group

but most isn't lethal anymore

[stable basin]

I wish Alexandrian gear was as good looking as Midan q-q

Even Midas last floor can wipe you

[vital bolt]

Phase transition without LB is still a wipe?

[true lark]

You get LB2 from killing adds and that plus shields let's you live

Temporal stasis still fucks with you but you can live sacrament and stuff with shields

[lucid karma]

I wished I could get back in time and collect midan gears

Boy they look amazing

Anyway I'm clearly not new to O5S but I want to tank it for first time as WAR, how do I time onslaught to counter ghost knockback?

And at what range, max melee?

[woeful prawn]

yeah have to be max melee to counter it with onslaught.

you can also just holmgang all of the knockbacks

[lucid karma]

Shouldn't I save it for Headon?

Or there's another solution as well

[woeful prawn]

you can strong cooldown headon + raw intuition

and pop into tank stance and equilibrium and should be gucci

[lucid karma]

Would inner beast help too?

Since it's also mitigation

[woeful prawn]

if you dont have vengence up sure

i wouldnt stack IB and vengence for it though.

also remember to forcewipe the raid if frontghost doesn't spawn

[lucid karma]

lol we survived with no front ghost all the time but okay

[woeful prawn]

its a meme because all warrior players are crybabes

[lucid karma]

Guess I'm crybab now 💦

[untold furnace]

am I really unlucky or is it usual for parties from PF to struggle on o5s ?

[brave maple]

Weekly clear or learnin/kill?

[untold furnace]

well I've done a few practice parties so that's normal to struggle but we could never get to p3 ...

and I was just in a "kill for a friend" party but we wouldn't go far in p3

at some point we got to 32% but that was as far as we got

[brave maple]

tbh "kill for a friend" are usually traps

[untold furnace]

weekly clear are a no go since they're all locked to "duty complete" and this is my first time

I'd use the DF for training since I can select the "final phase" but I don't think anyone uses it for savage, every time I've tried I queued ofr a while without anything (I'm a tank)

[dull radish]

yeah folks generally don't randomly queue for it like that outside of JP data center

[untold furnace]

rip then

[glossy musk]

Make a PF and say learning party

It’ll fill fast

[scenic patrol]

PF is a struggle

I have time on Sunday to attempt to clear O7S without my static

But I just don't want to bother

[spice comet]

Idk my fc mates was saying how this weeks duty cleared o5s pt were trappy so who knows, just a bad week 🤔

[zinc vortex]

i stopped caring about prog and started focusing on having fun

[scenic patrol]

Prog is fun

Outside of PF

[wet stag]

hit forsaken 2 tonight

[spice comet]

We magically hit 3

I didnt expect to see it

[dull radish]

things get cozy after forsaken 2 is over <3

[wet stag]

got a fuckin grey on clown tho

does starstrafe happen a second time

[spice comet]

Uh we suddenly got confusions/sleep with meteord

And then our dps cleaved us to hell while we try to do meteors that was not suppose to happen

[wet stag]

uh

theres a set of meteors with confuse/sleep yeah

thats forsaken 4 iirc

[spice comet]

Thats 4 nani tf

I thought we on 3

[wet stag]

or 3

[dull radish]

starstrafe is only once

[wet stag]

yeah probs 3

[dull radish]

3 and 4 are the same

except 4 is cut short with ultima spam

[wet stag]

technically correct, the best type of correct

[spice comet]

Oh so enrage

[wet stag]

isnt there a 5th forsaken

or am i dumb

[scenic patrol]

Also each Ultima does more damage than the previous one

[dull radish]

only 4

[wet stag]

ah

[scenic patrol]

During the spam

[dull radish]

yeah stacking damage buff

but not nearly as bad as neverwhere or other earlier iterations of the concept

[spice comet]

Nice

Hated neverwhere heals

[dull radish]

unless you have like no MP you can generally heal through ultima spam fine

[spice comet]

30k?

[dull radish]

then long light of judgement cast I think?

[spice comet]

Or progressively higher?

[dull radish]

for the damage? I dunno how much each ultima does, we kill before then now, and had mitigation for prog/first clears

[scenic patrol]

I think the last Ultima will outright kill none tanks

[dull radish]

nah

not at all

[spice comet]

Hmm maybe ill kill some pt mems to test

[dull radish]

maybe if you like

have zero mitigation up at all

it might one-shot folks at max stacks

[spice comet]

30k is easy

[dull radish]

but that's kinda on you

[spice comet]

Neverwhere was bad cause both healers had to heal and top off, i think i still die if i didnt personally shield myself

For the last one befoe enrage

[scenic patrol]

I have seen a lot of clips where the last Ultima outright kills everyone but the tanks

[dull radish]

ok

I've been there multiple times

and it doesn't?

[scenic patrol]

The scenario is healers in prog

[dull radish]

yes

I too

went through prog

got hit by the final ultima

[scenic patrol]

Which means they forget to mitigate

[dull radish]

and did not ide

well

[spice comet]

Ill let u after we healer lb there n just kinda throw my mana

[dull radish]

that's without mitigation

I was saying without mitigation maybe you get one-shot

but like

[scenic patrol]

Never said it was with

[dull radish]

that wasn't the argument haha

I mean

you kinda said "final ultima kills non-tanks" full stop

I said, maybe without mitigation

[scenic patrol]

Should have clarified

[dull radish]

and you were like, "seen many clips where it does"

[wet stag]

do you guys have hp percentages for each forsaken so i know if im on track

[dull radish]

not especially, I dunno

[spice comet]

🤔 i use vids

[dull radish]

dps check is relatively lax

as long as there's not a lot of deaths/damage downs

[wet stag]

yeah i know clown is harder bc of all the downtime

[spice comet]

I think i have the mr happy vid hp....

Sec......its in my clutter of crap

[scenic patrol]

Just do clown on WAR, downtime is no issue

[wet stag]

nah im going as drk

ill go war if the axe drops kek

[dull radish]

our WAR is so happy

[scenic patrol]

Good luck Faye

[dull radish]

he got this weeks' coffer

[wet stag]

ty

i played like trash on clown

[spice comet]

Forsaken 1 89%
Trine (full cast bar) 79%
Forsaken 2 (at full cast bar) 65%
Light of judge after 2nd forsaken ends 60%
(they also just kept kefka mid after 2nd forsaken facing north and dealt with celestriad in mid)
2nd trine (Full cast bar) 52%
Forsaken 3 (at full cast bar) 43%
3rd trine (Full cast bar) 30%
4th trine (Full cast bar) 25%
Forsaken 4 (Full cast bar) 17%
Forsaken 4's 4 man tower 8%
Enrage cast was 75/100 at ToD

[wet stag]

got grey

[spice comet]

There

[wet stag]

aight thanks

[spice comet]

Found it

That was mr happy clear like super close enrage

[wet stag]

i need to learn how to not be trash at drk

[dull radish]

we always do mid celestriad <3

it's so much cozier for me

[wet stag]

is there any other celestriad?

🤔

[dull radish]

yes

[spice comet]

Our celestrad kefka was like west kek cause everyone died n res

[dull radish]

you take him north

or to an edge in general

[spice comet]

Then we winged it

[dull radish]

so instead of 4 safe spots, you have a few safe regions where people can spread out in

[wet stag]

ah ok

[scenic patrol]

Well, I need to find a sub DPS for Tuesday now

For weeklies

Guess I'll DM Spearya

Guess we'll just have a pug sub

[woeful prawn]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Ngj6dBWXpQrqxL9F#fight=27&type=damage-done&translate=true&hostility=1&source=1037&ability=11069

final ultima cast 100% raw

39k on melee unmitigated

[dull radish]

DRG took a 41k hit from it, but even that should be fine

[spice comet]

Im trying to find exact numbers

Is my phone just shit

[woeful prawn]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Ngj6dBWXpQrqxL9F#fight=27&type=damage-done&translate=true&hostility=1&source=1037&ability=11069&view=events

here sorted by events

[spice comet]

So still around 30k

[woeful prawn]

ultima 1-3 i cant tell you the correct number because some of that was mitigated and shielded. 4th was manmode raw

[spice comet]

Ohhh

Starts around 30k n goes up to 41k last hits, still less than a godamn forsaken

[unreal flax]

I have almost all the base items for DRG BiS lmao.

Unfortunately, I have to clear O7S and O8S to actually get the real shit

[scenic patrol]

same Brit, same

missing gloves and weapon from savage as well as 3 weaves

[unreal flax]

Looking at a possible NIN BiS. Doesn't look too bad. It's has some similarities to the DRG BiS.

Well, my DRG BiS

[zinc vortex]

sounds good, all I'm missing for my blm bis is savage weapon, savage chest, savage gloves, savage belt, 2 savage accesories, 2 weaves and 3 polish!

8 weeks no loot ama

[dull radish]

/soothe

what set are you going for?

I'm guessing 1930 ss?

[pure yoke]

Hi

[dull radish]

heya

[pure yoke]

time to go crafted single ring for bis for dragoon

[unreal flax]

Why would you do that?

[dull radish]

I'm excited to see boots drop next week, since I just caved and bought them instead of waiting it out a bit longer

so someone else can get them >.>

because that's how it is every tier for me haha

[pure yoke]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15XXI

going for 2.47

and I value my per gcd/ogcd damage

over going fast

[unreal flax]

AHHHHHHH goddammit lol.

I tried to remove that SkS meld and swap in the tomes ring. Too much SkS by nine points lmao

This is what I'm aiming for: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14SXL

[pure yoke]

I see

I haven't played 2.44 for awhile

[unreal flax]

I really like this stat balancing shit they have going on. Most jobs aren't as damaged by bad substats as MNK/BRD. So, we have that extra flexibility in choosing how we're going to min-max.

Like, could you imagine a stacked DH mnk's damage lmao

[dull radish]

gonna get like every caster piece and try stuff out haha

[pure yoke]

lik

[unreal flax]

The damage is probably still good, but all the fun is gone when you never ever see a proc outside of Brotherhood and Bootshine

[pure yoke]

I need all of my stuff to hit really hard

during burst phase

rather than getting an extra gcd or two

[dull radish]

I really, really miss having burst

that's the main thing that I dislike on SB BLM

like if I get a string of dh and crits I can still get pretty big numbers in my opener but like

it's more just about sustain than burst now

[unreal flax]

I like that DRG has a burst and then a late burst.

[pure yoke]

DRG is very bursty

but decent sustain

[unreal flax]

Like, we have that jump burst in the first what? 10 GCDs? And then we get the Nastrond window.

Or would you count the Nastrond windows as sustain?

[dull radish]

lemme randomly hit a dh crit Foul in trick and that'll be my burst

[scenic patrol]

!action Foul

[storm frost]

**Foul** : lvl 70 Black Mage (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals unaspected damage to a target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 650 for the first enemy, 10% less for the second, 20% less for the third, 30% less for the fourth, 40% less for the fifth, and 50% less for all remaining enemies.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Polyglot. Polyglot effect ends upon use.

[unreal flax]

I loooooove when Dadaluma appears right as Jump is coming off CD. I get to put at least two Nastronds on him and the boss before he dies.

[scenic patrol]

Man, Foul has a lot of potency

[unreal flax]

I just wanna clear this fight real quick. I'm already optimizing the first phase now. I haven't cleared yet and I'm trying to maximize my numbers on it like it's a parse run lol

[dull radish]

I think highest dh crit foul I've hit in various static runs (so without balance) was like 45.5k now? Around there

feels good

[pure yoke]

I just want

a decent god kefka run

[dull radish]

I finally had one <3

[lusty oak]

same man

[pure yoke]

aiming for 6.4k - 6.5k

[dull radish]

like, not a great one

but a pretty solid one

[lusty oak]

finally clear kefka

[dull radish]

I almost broke 7k

would have if we had AST

[pure yoke]

noice

but can you

beat Hollis

[dull radish]

good lord

so

[pure yoke]

ten less fire iv than 2nd place

[dull radish]

I brought up that heroku app

[pure yoke]

but 600 dps more

[dull radish]

to see how much raid contribution they got

[scenic patrol]

I just want to clear Guardian

[dull radish]

was like nearly 1400 dps from outside sources

[unreal flax]

What's a God Kefka? Whats a Kefka? I only know ED-209.

[scenic patrol]

I was so close this week

[lusty oak]

https://i.redd.it/mo59tzy7yfn01.png

[dull radish]

my raid dps contribution was higher than them by like 300 >.>

[unreal flax]

Pretty much lol

[scenic patrol]

3rd week of being stuck on Guardian

Total prog time, 9 hours

[unreal flax]

In absolutes, this would technically be my 6th week stuck on Guardian. Except, two weeks, I wasn't even on my level 70 character at all

[dull radish]

/soothe

we're finally getting around to trying some various O7S optimization tonight

should be nice

[scenic patrol]

Brit, I wiped on 0.7%

Just as raid time was over and people needed to go to sleep

[steep iris]

Idk how much time i even spent on o7s

I went in on and off cause i was getting fed up at pugs+super long fill times

[scenic patrol]

That's why you join a static

Even if you have people like this guy

[pure yoke]

meanwhile

I feel like shit for getting purple

[scenic patrol]

Don't worry, we tell him his Sam is shit

At least he is a blue precentile DRG

[unreal flax]

Shit fam. I’m a green hero right now.

[paper torrent]

!whologs @paper torrent

[storm frost]

Send Memes of Faerie

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (6878/8818) [2832.53 DPS] [25.3 Historical] [9:47]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[paper torrent]

😂

Green hero reporting for dutu

[unreal flax]

I almost got blue in my last O6S, but by the time it finishes processing, enough DRG parses came in to push the 50th percentile up a bit.

[dull radish]

rip

[scenic patrol]

That's what happens when you're behind gear

[unreal flax]

Here's a question that I've been wondering about but never asked: After the opener, do NINs delay subsequent Tricks after Suiton? Or do they do Suiton GCD Trick?

[steep iris]

@scenic patrol i did apply to some

got my clear in a trial run 👌

[scenic patrol]

What are you playing Frey?
Wasn't it casters?

[steep iris]

Whm

It did help that someone called out every mech