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#endgame-lounge
hexed meteor
cerulean pilot
but still on byakko weapon
paper torrent
i'm literally
boreal edge
@cerulean pilot gimme your logs
hexed meteor
weapon is raw dmg
vital cypress
party composition and buff alignment are pretty important too
hexed meteor
is kinda
paper torrent
byakko / 350 / 340/350 ring
boreal edge
so i see more
paper torrent
and i can go just right above grey
hexed meteor
I went from 4.8 to 5.3 on 5 with 360 weapon
paper torrent
so parsing grey is no excusve
paper torrent
Oh yeah Espresso
vital cypress
for some reason my DPS on O6S is weirdly low
pure yoke
3 eyes
boreal edge
purple as brd without drg is tough to reach
pure yoke
4 eyes was gay as fuck in primals
pure yoke
and 4 eyes would suck in Kefka
hexed meteor
I saw some one uploding a o6s with 1 tank and 5 dmg (DRG/MNK/NIN/MCH) with (AST/SCH) and they hitted enrage
so comp is a meme in times
boreal edge
!whois @cerulean pilot
storm frostBOT
hexed meteor
but definitly a must
pure yoke
no one who parses seriously
boreal edge
shit
pure yoke
does non standard comp
boreal edge
forgot that
vital cypress
oh dear god
hexed meteor
ik but memes
paper torrent
there is no way
vital cypress
O6S with only one tank sounds miserable
pure yoke
everyone who parses at a competitive level does it with standard comp
paper torrent
you should not hit 5k
pure yoke
also o6s with one tank is hell
paper torrent
even if your comp is shit
pure yoke
Goddess hurts like hell
paper torrent
side note, that RDM parse is actually pretty nice
pure yoke
consider that the fight is 100% uptime
vital cypress
was offset by both healers doing 0 damage
hexed meteor
Sometimes around 99% is just crit rng
boreal edge
@cerulean pilot 1st thing you missing close to 3 casts per min
hexed meteor
I stoped caring I just do my job and get the drops
pure yoke
also yeah
cerulean pilot
3 casts per min of what?
boreal edge
you let gcds return and unused
pure yoke
you don't have enough cooldowns to solo tank unless you are a warrior in O6S
unless you are content respecter
who swaps to tank stance
vital cypress
I'm pretty sure I'm using way the hell too much Ruin II though
cerulean pilot
where do I see casts per min?
pure yoke
compare my cast to yours
in the same time
7:50 to 7:50
you are also missing alot of gcds
don't look at damage
hexed meteor
I dont drg but if youre missing CD or GCD's with CD try to use a hotbar to know when thay are up so you dont miss em
boreal edge
86% chaosthurst uptime
cerulean pilot
hmm that would explain it, now to figure out what's causing me to miss gcd
pure yoke
I basically greed plane
hexed meteor
With practice you get used, thats all I have to say
hexed meteor
I want to change DRG, MNK is getting too caner for me
cerulean pilot
but that only explains 1 gcd
I'm honestly so confused as to where i'm losing that many gcd
since it's a huge number
boreal edge
heavy thrust 93% uptime
pure yoke
or do you "catchup" to the boss?
cerulean pilot
I usually catchup but not to the point of missing multiple gcd
pure yoke
it adds up
cerulean pilot
maybe 1 gcd will clip
boreal edge
pierce res 92% uptime
hexed meteor
its adds up a lot, like me missing Internal R with Hollowing fist for 2 or 3 sec is delaying when I can use them with my other two GCD
so its less dps on the long run
boreal edge
@cerulean pilot thats what i found so far, rotational and cds usages goes to @pure yoke
as i dont know much about drg
hexed meteor
Also is he using Litany for timing it with other peeps openers?
cerulean pilot
hmm usually I pop mine pretty early
hexed meteor
kk cuz the guides tells you to use it 1st but dosent line up to 5th CD on other openers
paper torrent
I mean the timeline is a good feature
hexed meteor
so its like wut
paper torrent
you can just compare it with an o5s timeline and get a rough mental image
so.... you don't have to record necessarily
hybrid rapids
litany is good on like 5th GCD onward or like right start of fight
depends on your comp
hexed meteor
Well if he its still pretty fresh to all this dont really ask to be on the level of people that has been rading since forever
boreal edge
so both run out in same time
hexed meteor
takes time
hybrid rapids
because 6th GCD onward usually is big hit
hexed meteor
so cant say a thing about that
hexed meteor
wasnt chain used early cuz it line up with a brd GCD?
boreal edge
brd peak start at 3rd gcd
pure yoke
5th gcd litany sounds cancer for drg
hexed meteor
early line on 3rd?
pure yoke
they miss chaos
hybrid rapids
yeaa
most party do on 5th
ahhhh
and i was the SCH
i just put it once it saw litany
pure yoke
speedrun comps do 1st gcd litany
cerulean pilot
so I should use litany later?
pure yoke
because DRG is a heavy hitter
hybrid rapids
most DRG won't do first :(
hexed meteor
yeh but I'd rather see litany on 5th so it adds up to rDPS
boreal edge
use it at start or 1st 2.5s
hexed meteor
rather than just 1 person
hybrid rapids
they was like, nah
pure yoke
5th gcd litany is
really bad for dragoon
since drg starts dumping alot of ogcds after chaos
hexed meteor
that's why I didnt touched goon
I know its bad
but I like more the rDPS than my dps
pure yoke
@hybrid rapids https://puu.sh/zGAfd/830d2f9ef9.png
hybrid rapids
i can use chain 5 seconds later if DRG use it on 1st
hexed meteor
I use sight 1st then into litany
boreal edge
yeah he used it in 2 secs
hexed meteor
I know its wryyy for some
hybrid rapids
use 1515 DRG style
hexed meteor
ik ik
boreal edge
of opener
hybrid rapids
start the fight with elusive jump
pure yoke
alot of drgs do that
hexed meteor
At that point it comes more to talk to your raid and know what they are doing
hybrid rapids
so mug, using litany on 1GCD benefits DRG only?
hexed meteor
but thats besside the point, idk if @cerulean pilot is missing gcd and cd cuz its sitting on them or waiting for line up
or something idk
pure yoke
it benefits everyone
hybrid rapids
most people asking for 5th
pure yoke
just not as much
hybrid rapids
idk
hexed meteor
cuccs for 3 or 4 crits which I dont mind if we have ast sch and nin
hybrid rapids
hexed meteor
Comes down to what raid wants to do imo
pure yoke
Selffish drg opener in my opinion wins out
cerulean pilot
I guess i'll try using litany early next week
hexed meteor
Hope we helped you some how potato haha
cerulean pilot
alright i'll keep that in mind
probably going to record the fights this time since I still find it ridiculous that i'm retarded enough to miss gcd on O6
hexed meteor
I just use diversion before pull in time its 30 sec any way, when im lazy lul
cerulean pilot
i'm actually ashamed lol
native hound
could people stay in a boxcar forever in o5?
heavy mist
no
vital cypress
the enrage kills people hiding in cars
native hound
i was remembering reading a discussion that people could stay in there until lockout and i was wondering if that was addressed
boreal edge
The 'time and effort' to obtain this weapon will likely be longer than the 'time and effort' it'd take to learn O6 lol.
mf about relic
wet stag
Depending on your perspective, zurvan ex can be considered more difficult than a12s, but less bullshit
torn kindle
I'd say the cumulative effort to reach A12S is much more than Zurvan.
torn kindle
oh
wooden vortex
.sg, hello fellow SEA
wooden vortex
What data center you on? Curious how your ping is
wet stag
Elemental
wooden vortex
lmao you'd get a lot of flak for that, though I really enjoyed xiii too
wet stag
85 normally, 70 with wtfast
wooden vortex
What the fuck
wet stag
I'm actually replaying it now lol
wooden vortex
Wow, feelsbadman
wet stag
Just got to palumpolum
wooden vortex
I'm on NA because all my friends are NA. I had no idea ping was so good for Elemental
Palum is Hope's place right? I want to play the sequels because I never got the chance :c
wooden vortex
🙃 arr
pure yoke
Zurvan EX was more BS in terms of
one player dying = entire raid wipe
or
if you die in meteors
you are basically dead the whole fight
wooden vortex
I can barely remember zurv. Why was it a wipe again?
pure yoke
Meteors
wooden vortex
Massive vuln stacks?
pure yoke
if you die with a color
you will be rezzed without one
and no color = death
so you basically have to sac yourself
and die again
pure yoke
sometimes guy won't be raised in time
blazing pelican
Zurvan was the last in a series of bullshit team jump rope fights
pure yoke
then everyone explodes
wooden vortex
I see
pure yoke
since every missed meteor = heavy raidewide aoe
blazing pelican
Sophia wasn't as bad, but you had to improvise if someone died at a bad time
pure yoke
plus a vuln stack
wooden vortex
Mm what about sephex?
I didn't play when it was relevant content so was the color setup just as bad?
bitter sierra
Better to take the raid wide dmg + vuln than sac and die again if the group was decent
pure yoke
If you have no colors
bitter sierra
If your healers weren’t up to it then it’s constant death and wipe
pure yoke
You were just dead
bitter sierra
You just didn’t go in a meteor rather than sac
wooden vortex
Have any of you played since first coil? I'm curious how each tier is in comparison to each other from the very start
blazing pelican
First Coil was this game's first raid, and it really shows
Between the pseudo-dungeons of T1 and 3, and the lolfuckery that was cheesing T2, their inexperience showed
Things cleaned up towards the end with Final Coil
torn kindle
I raided Final Coil
it was pretty great, though I never got to fully prog T13 due to having to move.
zenith holly
Been playing since the week before first coil was released
torn kindle
People consider somewhere between Final Coil and Second Coil as the "ideal difficulty tier"
zenith holly
As someone who doesn’t follow the story at all even I felt the urgency and awesomeness of going into the raids knowing something big must be happening. Comparing now the raids were good but definitely were very simple and had many things overlooked. Nostalgia goggles have for sure set in after all these years though
wooden vortex
Do you mind listing each tier by rank in how you think difficulty is?
I only started in creator and oh man ultimate was so fun to prog
But the recent omega feels kinda meh in comparison so I'm wondering how much I missed out
zenith holly
Most difficult tier by far was Gordias. I think a combination of poor execution and not enough testing as well as hearing for over a year from the raiding community "we want harder fights" led to the monster that was gordias. Looking back at it now, yeah the tier had its issues but it wasn't impossible, just very challenging and that was a turnoff to a lot of players.
Gordias > SCOB Savage > SCOB > FCOB > Creator > Midas > BCOB > Delta > Sigma
wooden vortex
Gordias is 1 to 4,right?
wooden vortex
Was it difficult because of mechanics? Or really hard dps checks?
steady pebble
3 was the destroyer of statics
zenith holly
It's all subjective since we all had different experiences but like A3 for example
wooden vortex
Oh yeah I think I heard that before
zenith holly
was a monster of a fight due to the server latency being a big problem for mechanics such as digititis and embolus (for some reason)
A1 and 2 were not very mechanically complex
A1S's main mechanic was splitting dps between the 2 oppressors
A2S was basically a big trash fight
wooden vortex
Latency. Like abandonment and o7s except more extreme?
zenith holly
more extreme
you could literally be standing on the person you had to swap digi debuffs with and if the server didn't register it you'd most likely fail the mechanic
same with embolus dodging
wooden vortex
Oh, wait, I think, I read about people not accepting lala because of that
Unsure if joke
zenith holly
things were a lot messier back then, but absolutely not impossible
A3 was complex on a T13 level in that there were a good deal of heavy hitting things happening at once. Final phase was quite literally just a scripted group movement and anyone out of position could cause a wipe. It was the first fight that we really hit a dps wall also due to being under geared
the dps required was by no means impossible but a lot of players really needed to step up to beat a3 early on
and sadly a lot of them didn't
wooden vortex
That's fucking fascinating
Would running these with min ilv be an approximate experience?
zenith holly
not anymore
a3s was absolutely butchered with nerfs
are you raiding currently?
this tier?
wooden vortex
Yup
wooden vortex
Yup
zenith holly
Imagine going in there with ilv 300 gear
trying to beat the enrage and surviviving those hits being massively undergeared
same with V7
the fights were tuned for a higher ilv than we were able to achieve early in the tier
so it was possible to have a perfect rng run where the crit was on your side and nothing went awry
and MAYBE you'd beat the enrage
SE's definitely tuned the recent tiers better. My static and I went back into Deltascape and cleared 4 in crafted 320 gear for luls
wooden vortex
Oh
Yeah I've been encouraging a lot of people in my FC to try raiding these last 2 tiers because they felt so easy, even my casual-centric FC could get into it
zenith holly
These last 2 tiers have been very simple
mechanically they are not too complex and don't really have many phases in any of the fights where there is too much going on
even for an average raider
wet stag
Even though I didn't raid in hw
torn kindle
Also Gordias wasn't well liked since there was a gear wall
wet stag
Midas was my fav tier
wooden vortex
I think so far the hardest for them to clear was o3s
zenith holly
Gordias was my friends and I's favorite tier because it was so difficult. We love being challenged like that and it was such a jump from FCOB to that
wet stag
I'm hoping final omega tier is at least creator level
wooden vortex
not many of them beat o3/o4 but now they're progging o7 and close to clearing
zenith holly
Midas was equally interesting in that the mechanics were very simple but the way they put them together was stupid interesting and made for a fun tier
A6S gauntlet fights were such a cool idea
zenith holly
A7S felt very weak compared to 5 and 6 mechanically
A8S was a nice mesh of damage management and coordination
wet stag
They seem to be experimenting a lot more with bullet hell mechanics
Which is interesting I guess
But idk
Latency makes it not fun
I wanna try brute justice
zenith holly
What's made the last 2 tiers easier for new raiders to get into I think also
wet stag
Looks amazing
zenith holly
is there are no Cryptic mechanics
that you're given a cast for but no visual indicator as to what is happening
we don't have inceptions in these tiers
wet stag
What's inceptions?
zenith holly
A12S had you placing crystals on the map strategically so that you could "see" where the boss would teleport to during Inception
a mechanic that had no visual indicator as to where he was going
unless you placed the crystals from the previous phase properly
wet stag
Ah
zenith holly
and if you didn't know where he was going it was most likely a wipe
cause people would die
Another thing people need to take into account is the average raider has seen most of the mechanics in the game
so progging a new tier will be easier for me for example than someone who's maybe raiding for the first or second time ever. The knowledge base of previous tiers lets me learn mechanics faster and in turn get things on autopilot a lot faster so I can work on my dps
A lot of players who cleared ultimate said it was a big factor in how fast they cleared this last tier
the coordination required for that fight will make you a better player just off repetition alone
that however doesn't mean new players can't come in and be amazing their first time around, but the overall player skill has been increasing over the years and it kind of skews perspective on how "hard" new fights are.
I remember being beyond excited when the dev's were saying Shinryuu EX would be as hard as Thordan EX at release
Like I was more hyped about that than the raid tier. and it fell so far from truth My friends and I cleared in about 5 pulls
wooden vortex
I hear many horror stories about thordan ex when it was relevant
a12s crystals was fun as fuck when they were misplaced
it was like a game to see who would die
x)
zenith holly
You'll hear a lot of veteran players tell stories of being stuck on Titan EX for months
because the average player skill just wasn't high enough to clear that fight
looking back at it now it was nothing
but while current it was a monster of a fight that a lot of people quit this game over lol
Thordan was the first primal since Titan EX that actually offered any kind of challenge
It's to this day the best primal we've had at release
and even if you break that fight down its not that bad looking at it now
but man the weaved mechanics back then were such a clusterfuck
servers are up
'-')/
torn kindle
healer melds are mostly opinion since we don't do 100% DPS
Crit and Det are generally very good
I'm of the camp where you always want some amount of DH on your gear to be able to proc it, since healers have a baseline 0% chance.
torn kindle
VIT melds are entirely for progression when you're undergeared or to meet an HP requirement.
Piety is more of a comfort meld. if you don't spend all your MP at the end of a fight then the leftover was essentially waste.
But it's ok if you want to make sure you want to be somewhat good
woeful prawn
dont meld piety
torn kindle
besides, most of the healer gear has a good amount of PIE already on it.
woeful prawn
yeah its fine to pick up piety from gear since ilvl > substats
but for ast idk its kinda up to preference like with most healers. ast is the one i dont and have never or will ever play.
proven yarrow
another question, melding for healers is really the same no matter which healer you're playing?
i know with other classes with shared gear you might need to meld different things, but its not so important with healers?
steady pebble
hm sch likes crit a bit more, iirc
but generally you can get away with sharing melds
torn kindle
SCH values crit more due to Adlo and Succor.
but honestly you can't go wrong with full crit/det melds
steady pebble
spell speed/direct hit/piety are the ones that are kind of more ...personal preference-y
with piety very much being the low man on the totem pole because you don't want to stack it
torn kindle
I meld a few of my accessories with G6 DH because i like it when it procs.
woeful prawn
i like crit > ss on scholar and ss > crit on whm. what i do is meld all crit > ss but fit two materia VI spellspeed on my whm weapon if possible
limpid ocean
I get ss on whm but why on sch?
sullen sable
It's just adlo for crits btw
And, I've been going crit > det for sch, but ss is fine too. Whatever you're comfortable with really
Spsp is like the only stat that has a significant bearing on how you play
steady pebble
personally don't like sps because I've gotten use to the timing of most casts
limpid ocean
yeah, critlo is 👀
steady pebble
and it just messes with me
sullen sable
Yeah
spice comet
Personally crit>det for critlo
sullen sable
It's important to get what you're comfortable with
The damage and healing gain from substats is less significant than your performance
unreal flax
Y'all should just play melee. We've got it pretty easy over here.
Everyone play melee. Bloodbath and Second wind is enough healing, right?
sullen sable
👌
steady pebble
but that requires playing melee 
limpid ocean
tried melee once
everything else I've leveled after that was ranged
unreal flax
I've tried so many things. I only have melee brain. I'll level the other stuff, but gearing it is out of the question. Melee brain.
sullen sable
Melee is fun :o
But healer substats are way less important than melee 
For one, we don't have a target sksp we want to be at
spice comet
Tried melee once then i realize i had no gear :V
dull radish
spellspeed crit WHM is so much fun <3
spice comet
I wad tempted to do that on sch 👀
sullen sable
Same
I kinda miss spsp stacking from HW
Was a lot easier to squeeze out that last cast during mechanics
Hmm
Wonder if it's worth building a zero piety set for o6s
sullen sable
Yeah I don't think I'd wanna drop any piety for God Kefka
It gets rough after a rez or two at the wrong time
Or if I need to lustrate to save someone
spice comet
Yea piety in god kefka is pretty nice, sch tome book cringe
opaque temple
Is solo or party better for eureka? Tried shouting for group inside but no one invited
spice comet
Ppl r saying its party
stable basin
I think atm most are going in already partied with at least a few friends
Solo is at least a viable option this time though
Although I don't know if the relics depend on it staying popular enough for the NMs to be beatable
Like how 280 from diadem are nigh impossible, I don't know if even eight UCOB farm raiders can 8 man that part
(Given that I've seen UCOB people fuck up on Lakshmi of all things who knows lol)
mighty lantern
agile raft
Anyone have a good farm location for level 11 monsters?
unreal flax
One of my coworkers typed "copy/paste" into the company chat and I'm triggered now.
steady bay
Hello. With the new eureka coming out, whats the new BiS for BRD now? Or better yet, whats he best build for BRD atm? Please bear with me coz I dont know what im doing with this class and I wanted to try my best to fully utilize said class.
steady bay
Oh ok. Ugm about he other question tho. What build is best for maximum dmg output?
steady bay
Ok tyvm 😃
heavy mist
Crit BRD
Crafted Bracelet - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14QQ9
2x Tome Ring - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14QR4
Those are the 4 BIS from Balance discord
steady bay
Oh i think i saw that one but at he end of the day i wanted to know what most BRD go with to have maximum dmg.
steady bay
@heavy mist ty 😃
dull radish
the above are generally going to be close enough that personal optimization is going to give you far more output than swapping between sets
steady bay
Oh so its a personal preference at the end of the day then? (Did i understood that right?)
dull radish
between the sets above, pretty much. Not a big difference between them
steady bay
Ok tyvm ill experiment on them then
blazing pelican
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/1VTw48NGgmqjKALX/#fight=last&type=summary
Who needs regens anyway
sullen sable
sullen sable
anybody have the latest act plugin?
untold furnace
if there's only one FFXIV plugin, I do have the latest version I think @sullen sable
fading widget
is Eureka worth the time
or is it better to just prog o8s with my static
i havent done any of the prior relics so it would be an even longer grind for me as im told i'd have to get the prior relics to begin farming for the new ones?
dull radish
you don't have to do old relics for new one but
ilvl for relic weapons are much lower than O8S weapon
i360 vs i375 weapon, there's not really a comparison there
dull radish
right
I just kinda haven't been paying attention to eureka since I heard the ilvl for stuff haha
steady pebble
but 5 assured slots !
but really if you can prog/do o8s you should probably get that
shadow pollen
just do O8S
stable basin
Are they even better than the 360 even with 5 slots?
After all afaik none of that odd WT shit is BiS either
dull radish
Some probably
steady pebble
hard to be BiS when you're damn near impossible to get
stable basin
What the best lvl 5 magia wheel?
with 3 elemental exp
lyric kelp
just throw all three in the same element and rotate it as needed
stable basin
ok
honest trellis
How is BiS near impossible to get
Or am I just misreading what you’re saying
Unless you’re referring to anima being near impossible to get, in which case you’re correct
untold furnace
has anyone found and shared the location of quests on Eureka yet ?
jovial bear
azure hill
I saw some people at level 8 last night
Considering the xp hike, those people probably didn't even take toilet breaks
severe notch
all you need is a bucket bun bun
azure hill
untold oyster
Like that episode of South Park where they play WoW and Cartman has his mom change his shit bucket
remote hatch
LOL
azure hill
Well, strictly speaking you're panelized heavily for breaking the chain, so if your group's tank doesn't give you downtime 
spice comet
My eureka experience was legit that, join party, we chained pull from lvl 3 mobs to lvl 6 mobs nonstop (so lvling 1-3), consecutive 30 chains, did a fate, back to town, took short bio break and repeat 👀
brave maple
Eureka wouldn't be so bad if the gear was relevant
Make them all 360
Or hell they should have released this at launch
Release the first step (340) at 4.05, 400 Crystal Step at 4.15, and the 800 step at 4.25
err not 340
azure hill
If it was viable compared to raid gear, people would throw a fit
azure hill
They can't win either way
brave maple
360 is unupgraded Tome gear
Though I agree with you on the "can't win" but
*bit
There was a comment on Reddit about how every time the Devs have tried to make harder or interesting content, the community backlashed
brave maple
in the case of MCHs, it would outright invalidate the Tome weapon
heavy mist
not necessarily
depends on if u can clear o7s in a timely manner
since u get 2 WD from 360 to 370
which is freaking huge
brave maple
Still not worth it on MCH
The damage sims have a 350 Pentameld beating the 370 Tome by a percentage on most rotations
brave maple
There are reasons "MCHs don't have a tome weapon" is a meme this tier
heavy mist
time to go take a peek
brave maple
It's Sks/Crit vs a capped Crit/DH and a bunch of Det
boreal edge
@brave maple wep dmg > everything
heavy mist
thats what i thought
boreal edge
alot of mchs went toward i370 wep
heavy mist
🤔
boreal edge
not i360 yes
unreal flax
Wait, so... they're getting the i360 weapon and not using it until they get the upgrade?
spice comet
Mch sks tho
unreal flax
I ask because, the Diamond weapon isn't i370
brave maple
This
In my static I am absolutely lowest priority for the wep upgrade
Because it doesn't do nearly as much for me as the other members
unreal flax
I'm boutta try to clear O7S tonight with my Byakko weapon lol.
spice comet
Whole rotation fucks up cause sks changed, yea 👀 i think im good....
I think our mch is taking 370
Just last
unreal flax
How much ya shit change with just a single piece of SkS change?
lyric kelp
if you use 2 ammo its a change
unreal flax
I'm a DRG, so I'm trying to figure this out. I can cross like four breakpoints and my rotation doesn't change really at all
spice comet
If a mch messes a rotation during a fight they need to make up their rotation from that point onwards
lyric kelp
you just have to delay to realign with wf
cd and flamethrower will let you reset after that
spice comet
Nah the mechs fuq with u
Might as well stay ded
Or rip ur dps
Cause u line wf at these exact moments of a fight
U died........uhh now u have to hold in cds, overheats, be shit, man might as well /playded
lyric kelp
you do what you need to so the group can clear
brave maple
Yup depending on where in your rotation die in you may be waiting up to a minute to reset
spice comet
🔫
lyric kelp
it doesn't really affect 3 ammo
spice comet
👀 have u done mch in o7s?
lyric kelp
2 ammo just has less heat to deal with before oh
spice comet
Its pretty bad cause of the set up
spice comet
N the places when u do adds, vs boss
lyric kelp
just eat the laser
spice comet
LOL
brave maple
yah I use 2 Ammo 'cause fun
lyric kelp
unreal flax
I wish I had a NIN and MCH. So much vuln.
spice comet
And u bait so u hope laser doesnt kill u else u have to slowly move mid flamethrower
unreal flax
But I'm a pugbuster.
spice comet
LOL
lyric kelp
you just eat the laser with a shield
brave maple
my healers know I ain't moving for the opening laser if it comes for me
spice comet
If ur shielded
brave maple
VIT melds yo!
spice comet
Or that :V
unreal flax
The opening laser shouldn't be too risky anyway. No raidwides happen for a pretty long time. That said, if you get laser and prey lol
spice comet
Its not
spice comet
If u move with flamethrower ur pretty much good
unreal flax
Yup
spice comet
Laser range is rly small
brave maple
How do you move with FT?
spice comet
I tell them "the other blm was fine" KEK
spice comet
🤔 ❓
brave maple
nvm the pun was missed
paper torrent
No
spice comet
^
spice comet
👀
brave maple
XD
boreal edge
o7s is shit fight for mch
had to waste a bullet to make sure i dont get the 1st laser on my face
dull radish
just have to do the "healers adjust" opener for the fight
indigo steppe
for ultimate, is it better to wear 340 bis, or is it better to wear current gear and let it sync to 345
left side
i know right side the vit melds is important
sullen sable
Wear current and sync
If you can ilvl sync melds aren't counted
And the extra hp helps
indigo steppe
yeah, i was gna take 340 genji/lost allagan accessories so i can use the extra vit
wasnt sure on left side
sullen sable
I'm not exactly sure how ilvl sync works; dunno if it counts each piece individually
scenic patrol
It's individually
sullen sable
O ok
scenic patrol
So get your left side either Eureka or current BiS and right side is the old BiS
indigo steppe
yep, thanks
woeful prawn
@boreal edge ask for preadlo
woeful prawn
astlo
hallow knoll
What is the current Best of the Best gear? ilvl370 and in terms of drop off, how much loss of overall stats will just getting the Mendacity Token 360 gear?
stable basin
Depends on your chosen main job.
For instance, if you're a tank, shell out the big bucks for pentamelding.
hallow knoll
I'm a warrior, will the 360 stuff suffice? I also have no idea what pentamelding is good sir 😮 So much mechanics I've yet to learn
modest kernel
is Direct Hit still the stats to meld for tanks?
stable basin
Pentamelding means melding beyond the safe materia slots.
Yes.
It is.
Unless you're progging, DH is still a better idea to meld.
dull radish
WAR tends more towards crit now than DH
stable basin
Ah. Must be because of my experience as a PLD.
modest kernel
so if i main a WAR i should prioritise Crit over DH?
stable basin
They want DH. A lot of it.
dull radish
yeah
because most of your damage is during IR windows, where dh crits are guaranteed. And since more dh doesn't affect damage, but more crit does, you go for more crit
modest kernel
i melded everything with DH =\
stable basin
I forgot about that.
But what's the order then? Tank gear has loads of crit pieces on BiS. If you even want to go that far.
Crit>DH>det? @dull radish
stable basin
Ah kk.
modest kernel
thats for war?
modest kernel
how much ss is enough ss?
dull radish
though even going all DH on WAR isn't that bad, not much a loss
modest kernel
so how much sks is required for warriors?
dull radish
found a thing:
Meld priority'ish:
Sks until comfy > Crit > Det > Tnc/DH
1116+ sks recommended by Moxu (2.38 GCD)
Changing All Det melds to DH is approx -100 dps
untold furnace
is it confirmed that we will need anemos crystals for the relic ?
wet stag
Yeah
untold furnace
alright, ty
stable basin
Let's put it this way about sks
The Ryumyaku Gloves of Fending make Fifty Shades of Grey seem like greatness by comparison
wet stag
!item ryuumyaku gloves of fending
storm frostBOT
wet stag
!item diamond gloves of fending
wet stag
Kek
scenic patrol
wet stag
!item diamond gauntlets of fending
storm frostBOT
stable basin
I mean I'm seriously probably better off pentamelding gloves until if and when I get diamond
scenic patrol
Nah, just roll with something else for now
wet stag
Have you cleared o6s 6 times yet
stable basin
!item nightsteel gloves of fending
wet stag
Since you buy fending gloves with o6s pages
storm frostBOT
stable basin
I haven't started savage yet this tier
scenic patrol
Then why do you care about BiS?
wet stag
Tfw stuck on o7s for 6 weeks
scenic patrol
I didn't prog this week yet because one static member had his grandma die, so we just did weeklies
And then gone to Eureka
wet stag
Damn
scenic patrol
Shit happens
Oh well, hope we'll just make it to post Virus consistently now
And hopefully next week clear
wet stag
Good luck 
wet stag
I actually OTed the fight for the first time last night
I kept forgetting my ink spot lol
scenic patrol
We try to let the NIN have as much uptime on the boss ass
So positioning was adjusted to have it that way
untold oyster
The group I cleared or got to enrage with in o7s I joined the pf right after another ninja joined and convinced them to keep me over the other nin tbh
I'm a monster
azure hill
Is the jury still out on if weather is a NM spawn condition?
wet stag
Some enemies only spawn in certain weather
azure hill
People were disagreeing about whether the siren needs rain or not
uneven wind
Ryunohige vs Augmented Lost Halberd?
I'd assume dropping 2 bad stats beats out 1 weapon dmg
paper torrent
!item Ryunohige
storm frostBOT
paper torrent
O SHIT
uneven wind
Yeah it's best stats
uneven wind
aug lost allagan is det ss
uneven wind
This is baseline Ryu
paper torrent
isn't LA 340
uneven wind
yes
uneven wind
it has 1 more weapon damage
azure hill
It should, there's a big difference in wd and main stat
uneven wind
this is the first step of eureka
paper torrent
the fuck really?
azure hill
Oh wait
paper torrent
!item Augemented Lost Halberd
storm frostBOT
azure hill
I thought it was the tomestone weapon, never mind
paper torrent
thanks game
uneven wind
Not the new one, no
torn kindle
!item Augmented Lost Allagan Halberd
storm frostBOT
uneven wind
I'm thinking ryu wins since that thing has such ass secondaries
torn kindle
And some autoattack damage
paper torrent
how much would you even be able to meld
uneven wind
2 DHs
it's not super critical to find the answer since it'll be +1 soon enough and then obviously wins
was just wondering
since it's relevant because situations like this come up regularly
paper torrent
i would say no since you can't just meld it to hell
i would say it's possible but i think you lose too much STR
in addition to that WD
uneven wind
first upgrade it is then
oh wait, but in eureka itself it still wins because of sync
lol so in the mean time it does win
I wonder if I should make a eureka set like my old pvp ones
torn kindle
Eureka BiS when? 
paper torrent
hopefully fucking never
severe notch
4.55
torn kindle
Like there used to be a PVP BiS since HW synced you to i180
severe notch
Ahh
torn kindle
so people simply tried to find gear above i200 with the ideal stats so it had max stats of what you wanted when it synced down
uneven wind
lol that shit was fun, you had to find wacky shit like random dungeon drops to get full det/crit
torn kindle
oh yeah
wet stag
!item ryunohige +1
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
and everyone used the i180 Tomestone fending earrings since they're were the best for PVP
wet stag
^^ this is i345
torn kindle
Are you sure it's not the +2?
torn kindle
!item Ryunohige +2
wet stag
So use LA until you get +1
uneven wind
Yeah, what I'll be doing
drowsy pebble
For Trine on 08S, is there a trick to it? should i be getting on the triangle that falls on the side of a pack or middle perhaps?
seems like sometimes the safe last triangle i get on does not always have one pop right next to it, meaning between my safe spot and a triangle that has popped, there is another triangle that is part of the 2nd set.
so i get hit by the mechanic if i run that far
exotic granite
Watch some people doing the mechanic it's probably faster than trying to explain
drowsy pebble
I did and most of them just followed the tank, that doesn't work irl because the tank moves in last second and server lag screws me
maybe i have ping issues, going to look into that
drowsy pebble
big is easy, small one is the problem
hybrid rapids
Small - destruction wing will comes during 2nd trine~
drowsy pebble
because sometimes the last set is not right next to the 1st set
hybrid rapids
so basically
drowsy pebble
it's like 3 - 2 -1
so if 1 goes off and 1 is not right next to a 3rd triangle i am on, i will get hit
because 3-2 won't work
hybrid rapids
you
- pay attention to 1st trine
- dodge wing
- pay attention to 3rd trine
3-2 does work
you need sprint
drowsy pebble
hmm
hybrid rapids
also not at the center of trine
like edge
and even hit by one won't kill you
just don't panic
3 steps
hybrid rapids
1st trine - dodge wing - 3rd trine
go to 3rd trine then 1st trine
if you are worry, just use sprint
sprint does work even 3-2
drowsy pebble
so i guess i get on a 1st trine tile that's right next to an empty one
hybrid rapids
dmg down
drowsy pebble
which will tell me the 3rd trine tile right next to it i guess
hybrid rapids
yes
usually i just ignore 2nd trine
don't try to memorize all 3
sometimes 3-1 doesn't work
you can just get hit by one if no confidence
drowsy pebble
you count 1st two and get on one then wait for 5/6/7
if it was dmg up i'd take it but dmg down and ppl complain
i tried just following tank with sprint but i noticed they moved too late
hybrid rapids
okay
you can stand at edge of 3rd trine
then use sprint, and run to the one exploded next to it
drowsy pebble
and just sprint i guess
hybrid rapids
it works
drowsy pebble
if its not right next to #1 i just wait for #2
hybrid rapids
my ping is like 120 sometimes
drowsy pebble
i think what i tried to do was go past 2 to get to 1 with sprint
and it wasn't working
drowsy pebble
yeah im a melee
hybrid rapids
since it's damage down
melee better do 3-1
i meant if you do 3-2
you will be away from group
hybrid rapids
no, it isn't tank job
drowsy pebble
because optimally they should move fast enough
otherwise i lose uptime anyways
if im on a diff tile
pure yoke
hi
pure yoke
I am melee
umm
depends
sometimes I do 3-1
sometimes I do 2-1
depending on boss position
I'm a brave boy
hybrid rapids
lmao
exaflare way easier
it's hard to estimate the hitbox
@drowsy pebble anyway, you can do safe way (3-2 or 2-1), or right way (3-1 most group does this)
either way is better than getting hit
hybrid rapids
yea, he's on completion
hybrid rapids
true
pure yoke
if you are a drg
hybrid rapids
then later will get familiar to the fight
hybrid rapids
it's always nervous when doing progression
drowsy pebble
if I can do 3-2 without getting hit then that solves my problem
the 3rd set of trile is always right next to a 1st or 2nd set
hybrid rapids
you have to stay at edge of trine
drowsy pebble
but i thought getting on 2nd set is too late.
hybrid rapids
then use sprint earlier
drowsy pebble
okay i will test it out tonight, thanks
hybrid rapids
good luck
might need some adjust
but you are good as long as you get it
failure makes success
drowsy pebble
it does but you know how it can be in the interwebs
people spend 40 hrs wiping in their statics and then they join a pug and expect one to be perfect on 1st try - .-
hybrid rapids
it took me roughly 4 hours to clear kefka and god kefka
in my first clear around 3 or 4 person getting hit by trine
we still getting a clear
unless your party has really low DPS
that's why they putting blame on you
around 30k is good for a clear
drowsy pebble
i was 4900 at i 252
but our mch died twice and the healer messed up their towers, we enraged at 3%
pure yoke
nice
hybrid rapids
10:49
pure yoke
slow instance
hybrid rapids
10:50 it cast enrage
hybrid rapids
it casting enrage move until last second
pure yoke
00:10:30.793 Kefka 1 begins casting Light Of Judgment
so
we basically killed it as cast ended
we had 8 less seconds than you
hybrid rapids
haha, your PT DPS has 300 more than mine
pure yoke
everyone was Byakko weapons
hybrid rapids
ahhh
thankss
00:10:38.203 Kefka 1 begins casting Light Of Judgment
yeaa
mine was 8 seconds later than yours
drowsy pebble
Btw one more thing, how large is the radius on those skulls in tether-skull
i lose a crap ton of up time popping those away from team
now that i remember the tank was going north as well, so i couldn't max melee during celestriad at NE.
pure yoke
@drowsy pebble https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeMiniatureDelicataPoooound?tt_medium=clips_api&tt_content=url
you can try this strat for uptime
hybrid rapids
depends on your strategy