and then complain in here that people go "congrats on the clear!" when they didn't earn it 
#endgame-lounge
zealous meteor
wicked delta
But people who play with Awful Humans are morally grandstanding on twitter about how we need to protect women in the community
(Sfia)
zealous meteor
because it makes them Feel Bad
wicked delta
Bro we need to protect the community from you 
jolly flume
these pipes make me very happy
wicked delta
NOBODY CARES
craggy marsh
these pipes make me very happy
I care
wicked delta
Only to you
latent kestrel
these pipes make me very happy
my brain is way too cooked to understand wtf is going on here XD
its neat tho
wicked delta
craggy marsh
Idk what's going on but I respect the minecraft grind
latent kestrel
This reaper makes me happy
Is that window close to the Trench so he can hang out with his new Leviathan Buddy?
jolly flume
distillation towers
zealous meteor
these pipes make me very happy
in case you forget which game you're playing
true beacon
Is that window close to the Trench so he can hang out with his new Leviathan Bud...
Needler nest across the way
valid solar
minecraft might as well be gmod 2 nowadays
true beacon
Got a bunch of thermal plants
latent kestrel
Needler nest across the way
Ahh, I didnt see that. Hate those shitters, firing Needles THROUGH WALLS and hitting my Tadpole
true beacon
I just built it there because of the nearby resources
wicked delta
power infrastructure
Guy who plays endfield once
Seriously speaking tho it looks cool
true beacon
And it worked out with the story stuff
loud nymph
is that GTNH
latent kestrel
I just built it there because of the nearby resources
Nah, I get you. Made my newest base there too
jolly flume
Guy who plays endfield once
endfield deadass activated my sleeper agent factory autism
and yea it's gtnh
loud nymph
ha I thought so
true beacon
Gonna have lockers and lockers of titanium
latent kestrel
I'm actually at the end of the current story content in Subnautica 2 atm, so as much as I love the game, don't have much to do currently XD
jolly flume
I'm probably gonna wait like a year to play subnautica 2
as much as I loved the first game
latent kestrel
See, I had to support it, especially cause my fiancee had never played a Subnautica Game before and she REALLY wanted to play this one with me
loud nymph
I'm planning to wait for 1.0
I loved the first game but BZ was a miss for me, idk why
latent kestrel
I'm planning to wait for 1.0
Unironically, they call the current base patch 1.0 atm XD
latent kestrel
I knew what you meant, just thought it was funny
Truthfully, despite it being in early access, the game has a fairly substantial amount of content already. There is definitely room for more, and I wish the early game was a little more stressful (I still remember coming across my first Reaper in Subnautica 1), overall its a really fun game
loud nymph
I have heard that the current map is noticeably smaller than sub1 but they are planning to expand it
true beacon
I didn’t find silver for like 4 hours
The map is already really big tbh
Like 2km across?
latent kestrel
There is ALOT of room for expansion, since they plan to have you go to that huge Tree in the distance, and you dont even get close as of yet
loud nymph
I didn't get into sub1 until it was in full release anyway and I really liked the fact that I didn't basically get roadblocked by "this content will be added later" there
I do need to figure out how to convince a few friends of mine to play sub2 with me when it fully releases
latent kestrel
Subnautica 1 was a bit different. It didn't actually have walls telling you not to go further, it would just suddenly add the content. Like alot of the Biomes were added, but then seriously fleshed out later
true beacon
There used to be a terraformer tool in S1 EA
jolly flume
random needle
I like small crabs :(
latent kestrel
There used to be a terraformer tool in S1 EA
Yeah, and they took it away cause it just broke everything XD
loud nymph
tbh just drink some milk
hot rose
Have you ever met a WAR that off tanks?
true beacon
Yeah?
hot rose
jolly flume
I make war players OT in fru
loud nymph
I mean, yes?
jolly flume
let the real tank take the busters
random needle
Have you ever met a WAR that off tanks?
Xenosys Vex @ Gilgamesh (probably)
true beacon
Having the map just like
latent kestrel
I remember the Sub1 Terraformer, that shit was so broken its ridiculous
hot rose
Xenosys Vex @ Gilgamesh (probably)
Lmaoo
latent kestrel
Bro, every time I saw the Red Wall I flinched away so fucking fast
Was bad enough dealing with the Collector, I didn't need the Shivers in my life
hot rose
I cleared m9 with a WAR that wanted to OT which is like fine wtvr it doesnt matter for this fight. Asked them if they ever MT and they said no…
Thats the part that really irked me lol
true beacon
S2 spoilers ||I was in the Tadpole Pens talking to the NOA node and when I got out I heard the leviathan music and saw the collector outside the window there, PEAK moment for sure that the game just had happen||
latent kestrel
S2 spoilers ||I was in the Tadpole Pens talking to the NOA node and when I got o...
||legit I knew it existed but never saw it until heading to the Ruins, and then I heard the music, turned around, and freaked tf out cause it was right behind me||
random needle
I cleared m9 with a WAR that wanted to OT which is like fine wtvr it doesnt matt...
They're just pregaming for Evercold, clearly
hot rose
Pregaming is craaaazy
true beacon
||legit I knew it existed but never saw it until heading to the Ruins, and then ...
||thing is, I DIDN’T, I wasn’t following the updates they had and it SPOOKED me||
craggy marsh
I cleared m9 with a WAR that wanted to OT which is like fine wtvr it doesnt matt...
Let's OT together, bro
clear plume
My static unironically swapped which tank is MT bc our pld player wanted practice before evercold
latent kestrel
||thing is, I *DIDN’T*, I wasn’t following the updates they had and it SPOOKED m...
Yeah, that mfer is really spooky even when you expect him
true beacon
And the baby
true beacon
Also need to be lvl 100
latent kestrel
despite not having finished EW or DT, I do have a lvl 100 Job, so that end is good
But I'll watch the Hector Video on the strats, if only to make sure I get things right
zealous meteor
despite not having finished EW or DT, I do have a lvl 100 Job, so that end is go...
do you have lv100 gear
loud nymph
uh
wicked delta
I miss my wife Thordan unreal
loud nymph
you don't have the gear for it in that case
unless you bought a bunch of current crafted
zealous meteor
you don't have the gear for it in that case
they couldve bought gear from the MB
wicked delta
The min ilvl requirement is piss easy to get anyway
latent kestrel
do you have lv100 *gear*
My friend made me a full set of iLVL 770 gear as a reward for my RPR getting to lvl 100
She told me and my fiancee that she would make us the 770 gear and meld it with Materia too for the first lvl 100 job we get XD
rapid whale
gear is overrated anyway unless you intend to do savages/ults
latent kestrel
I do plan to eventually get into that, but I need to progress more and such
versed kayak
gear is overrated anyway unless you intend to do savages/ults
it is kinda important to meet the minimum ilvl tho
rapid whale
ye
latent kestrel
Still, it is good to know that Unreal is basically just the Extreme Trial but brought to current Level and ilvl
valid solar
gee thanks
latent kestrel
And we got another one!
jolly flume
good one
loud nymph
<@59382381831794688>
storm frostBOT
Ban Issued for xyhren
tame shuttle
latent kestrel
Love it when that happens .-.
loud nymph
oddly their post is still up in #glamour-discussion
latent kestrel
Oh bizarre...
loud nymph
latent kestrel
Man, I was falling asleep at my work desk when that popped up, and now I feel slightly more awake xD
So I gotta thank the random ass scam bot for that
valid solar
Im named after a goddess,how dare
my bad 
true beacon
Ain’t Eris the goddess of Discord and Strife?
stray forge
as much as I loved the first game
man i tried the first one and ive never had worse motion sickness since outer wilds
awful
latent kestrel
Ain’t Eris the goddess of Discord and Strife?
Discordia is the Roman version of Eris
true beacon
Of course
valid solar
bro did not read percy jackson /s
latent kestrel
I just need to play Hades 2 again, but I've been lazy XD
whole estuary
and the Roman name for Ouranos is Skype
true beacon
I’m on the third one I think
latent kestrel
I didnt even know Eris was IN Hades 2
valid solar
unless I missed something
true beacon
She fucked with you in EA
whole estuary
ooh, she wears tricolors
stray forge
I don’t think I finished the first hades either
whole estuary
like RX-78
stray forge
Like the whole 10 clears thing
latent kestrel
I'm not good enough at Hades tbh, in the first one I couldn't reliably beat a run, and in the second one I cant beat a single run XD
latent kestrel
Damn, nice!
rapid whale
Reddit
rapid whale
look at weave
quick verge
unoriginal
rapid whale
worn bluff
scarlet lintel
yesterdfay i asked if u needed pilgrim potions for q40
we have a paladin and it seems to be ok
we got through adds phase more or less fine
with just the pld and whm
versed kayak
yesterdfay i asked if u needed pilgrim potions for q40
you don't
Although since you'll need more healing might be more sensitive to party comp
Couldn't beat enrage with pld, sge, dnc and pct
but when I swapped from dnc to sam, keeping our ranged strats we instantly got way closer (with a disgusting amount of enpi)
gotta finally clear it now that our picto is back from japan
jolly flume
yesterdfay i asked if u needed pilgrim potions for q40
it's unpleasant to not have them
I'll say that much
scarlet lintel
My comp is PLD, WHM, DRG, PCT
We’ve just been progging it blind so no real idea of how long left to go or if we’re doing enough dps
jolly flume
the check's not particularly hard
it's also not that long
the don't fall asleep check is real though
not because it's boring
just got a few things to keep your attention on at once
flat axle
When I’m playing dps do I need to follow the rotation perfectly that’s posted online, the button sequence feel so wierd for some dps rotation
jolly flume
if you care about your damage I would not suggest deviating from the recommended rotation unless you know what you're doing
rapid whale
yea its one of those, "if you gotta ask you should just stick to the rec rotation"
personally if it feels weird, i would try to analyze why the rotations are the way they are so that the math makes sense
because once you ese the math it's just like ohhh and if not then the reasoning behind the old rotation's comfort usually comes down to something like, "built bad habits while levelling"
amber fable
Rotation are basically fitting hardest hitting skills under buffs
Buff windows are 20 second long so you have 8 gcd space in them with 2.5s recast
Beside the usual keep the basic combo rolling and using your ogcds as they come off cooldown
Although if your ogcds are long enough with charge you can hold them for use under buffs like drk shadowbringer
random needle
p4s cleared in my blind group, yippee
And after 2.5 tiers on shield healer, someone else wants to give it a try, so... here I go tanking I guess
random needle
jolly flume
do d on tank
random needle
DSR on tank is just nonstop tickets to Mickey's Dick Smasher I think
... Okay you kinda get a break on p3-5 I guess
undone tide
dsr on paladin before we got bulwark:
undone tide
... Okay you kinda get a break on p3-5 I guess
soul tether can be spicy if you’re playing with brainlets
craggy marsh
dsr on paladin before we got bulwark:
why did they take it away from us only to give it back
amber fable
An IQ too high?
loud nymph
only to take it away again in 8.0
undone tide
moreso punishment for all the casuals who touted warrior as the best tank for so long
clear plume
moreso punishment for all the casuals who touted warrior as the best tank for so...
I think drk needs another buff, tbn bad
Thoughts?
amber fable
Tbn should heal for 500 potency on break
Or when it expires
Bitch ass tank cant even heal itself with short mit
whole estuary
TBN should have a bunny dressed as a WHM appear on your head if it falls off without breaking
no other alterations
worn bluff
Tbn should heal for 500 potency on break
breaking TBN gives the person doom and they have to be healed to full in 10 seconds or they die
random needle
Living Dead forever o7
tulip anvil
shinryu unreal is ridiculous
i did a tell and retell and there were so many deaths but we still managed to beat it
undone tide
i’ve discovered the true endgame
tall field
Tbn should heal for 500 potency on break
just make tbn break always
8.0 PLD made cover... eh whatever
Nerfed veil
and no buLwark
undone tide
nice closet
it may be a closet but it’s MY closet
rapid whale
just make tbn break always
make tbn apply a hot for the value of the unbroken shield upon wearing off
yoshi p you can hire me
tall field
do that and drk will beat pld in which is the better tank lol
dull drum
i’ve discovered the true endgame
ok now do this to your orbiter
rain geode
oh I should probably put the few DT Role quests I didnt do on my list of stuff to do before every cold
rain geode
I mean they all unlock the same thing in dyable gear
trying to think if theres anything else I need to put on my list
rain geode
I already chucked that on the list I just needed to wait for it to be as hard as possible
rain geode
Roulette wheel is gonna be worse for sure but I know Im skilled enough so itll just be a matter of time
rapid whale
yar
rain geode
well its been like 2ish months since I played so maybe some refresher ex's wouldnt be a bad idea to knock the rust off
finite plank
my orbiter is still weirdly misplaced before an update that moved the solids around
but just minorly
rapid whale
whats an orbiter
finite plank
didn't feel like moving the gravity defying kuakka hung vertically wrong from where there was a globe
stray forge
Orbiter omen
alpine plover
whats an orbiter
Warframe uhh, base?
Before you start playing you are in your spaceship
And can decorate it
rapid whale
oic
tulip wraith
umad might need a delay, we got peak coming out same day
sick reef
does anyone know the site where i can find waymarks for ex trials? doomtain in particular
sick reef
or this? https://github.com/Em-Six/FFXIVWaymarkPresets/wiki
was this one! tyvm!
remote gate
is this fight savage level difficulty where I need to watch videos and study ahead of time cuz I really want the exquisite drk weapon
tough gorge
advanced? no not rly, I've seen ppl go in completely blind
fervent scroll
advanced is akin to extreme, wasn't it?
tough gorge
yeah it's a stepping stone from variant to criterion
visual geyser
advanced is akin to extreme, wasn't it?
Yes but you can heal spam so not really
iron jewel
There’s also no dps check. Like at all.
loud nymph
advanced is like an easy extreme
clear plume
Easier than the easiest extremes ngl, more like slightly harder dungeon bosses
wicked delta
I agree except for the sword lady that shit was kinda ???
I think I found her harder to grasp than like
Zoraal Ja
daring pine
advanced is like an easy extreme
But extremes are already easy 🤔
versed kayak
For one of the mechs you can just get hit twice on the same side, then you have three safe spots
just gotta heal up after the vuln
lost sinew
For one of the mechs you can just get hit twice on the same side, then you have ...
Yeah this is what I did too
good way to cheese it
daring pine
speaking of extremes
ex7 made me wanna go back and redo the other ones
because i only did them like once or twice and my clears were scuffed
daring pine
I was a tank I just bullshitted my way through
of course you did
tall field
sword lady is the only sorta tough one
Most just duo it
Duo also makes one mech of sword lady a non mechanic
The one where she throws tethers and the the green border players should take it
With 2 its alr the correct pair so it doesnt matter
remote gate
because i only did them like once or twice and my clears were scuffed
i wish ex7 was as good as doomtrain was because ex7 is a slog to play
like its not a hard fight but it over stays its welcome
better than zeromus though
loud nymph
is that a bad thing? 
random needle
When does ex7's mount usually become buyable with totems?
deep gale
why is using tome gear increase my determination as a drk
Waiter my steak is too juicy my lobster too buttery
(woe, tenacity upon ye)
(if you want / need actual substat breakdown I'm happy to explain)
wicked delta
(woe, tenacity upon ye)
Shoutout to Jbear
random needle
I'm still floored that he talked about some tanks being designated MT/OT by default less than a week before the Fanfest keynote
tall field
i wish ex7 was as good as doomtrain was because ex7 is a slog to play
I wonder is this true
Ex7 is harder vs train
Idk.. train felt more tougher
random needle
Fun is not a function of difficulty
tall field
No devs said this
wicked delta
Whats EX7
loud nymph
and train is much more fun than enuo
wicked delta
Bru use names please
random needle
At least, not just difficulty
remote gate
enuo ex
wicked delta
Oh its Enuo
tall field
Enuo would be harder than train
wicked delta
Train is more fun yea
remote gate
otherwise known as slop: the fight
tall field
It didnt feel that way
wicked delta
Enuo sleepge but at the same time its not as bad as Necron
torn kindle
When does ex7's mount usually become buyable with totems?
Expected patch is 7.58
wicked delta
tall field
Necron was
torn kindle
Which is a while off
loud nymph
Enuo sleepge but at the same time its not as bad as Necron
to be fair, very low bar to clear
tall field
wicked delta
to be fair, very low bar to clear
Bar is literally in hell
tall field
GC memes still happened so
remote gate
necron or zeromus
random needle
Necron doesn't have fun mechanics and it's incredibly easy to get everyone killed if you start slacking off, which is like... the worst of both worlds
tall field
The adds phase in necron was sleepge
Do people mm2 cheese now?
As in force wait there and then
remote gate
this is why I hate zeromus btw
tall field
Skip mm2
remote gate
wait you can still see the names
loud nymph
this is why I hate zeromus btw
example of why you hate zeromus
not meteors
worldly grotto
Bro I was watching that
remote gate
one sec hylic
random needle
wait you can still see the names
God I love my chud healers
tall field
Zalenia still causes deaths and wipes to bloom 3/4/ef2
remote gate
example of why you hate zeromus
not meteors
oh dont get me wrong i hated meteors too because somehow standing against a rock is an ultimate level mechanic for pf
random needle
My blind group has barbie and rube next
loud nymph
barbie best girl
random needle
I've heard rube is slop but barbie is... maybe good? Idk, I'll see once I'm in there
The more pressing issue is that someone else in the group wants to take a stab at shield healing, meaning I get to pivot to tanking
remote gate
barb is fun yeah because unlike rubi it doesnt do the same thing over and over
loud nymph
barbie is the best EW ex by a country mile
golbez and the uh, the one whose name is a massive fuckin spoiler, were also good, but not as good as barbie
amber fable
Golbez was 2nd best
craggy marsh
Hydaelyn, Barb, and Golbez were the EX's I really enjoyed in EW on content
undone tide
male au ra dark knight who exclusively knows main tank
such a strange breed of player
unsurprisingly pf still can’t do spreads in m11
torn mesa
such a strange breed of player
Strange is not the word I'd use
undone tide
Strange is not the word I'd use
there are many other applicable words
i do believe strange is one
finite plank
maybe it's typical for them
sleek moon
1hr 15 mins to get into aether 
odd beacon
0% DH
wicked delta
1hr 15 mins to get into aether <:despair:1498311972591243334>
Ur finished
loud nymph
going in ult synced as tank
as opposed to....ultimate unsynced?
clear plume
Yes, as in gear for that item level so you can meld dh
rain geode
It should removal all rewards but I think for the lols they should allow unsynced ults
raven prawn
ngl now im in post dt, i can see why people said it can take 8 to 10 weeks to get fully geared out
especially for 780 tome stuff
tall field
450/450 yea
rain geode
It's a modern mmo right. Gearing before current content is super fast then extremely slow for current patch
raven prawn
yup, whole way through i could just do daily dutys, sit at 2000, get tome gear, boom straight to next expansion. now. im here for the weekly and daily grind, still a lot of side stuff i need to unlock for weekly quests and such lol
tall field
Yea
raven prawn
for tomes yeah, i know i need the raid weapon at 795 eventually, currently using the crafted 770s
amber fable
Augment them
rain geode
When is the final stage
loud nymph
end of july
sinful brook
A bis that doesn't matter since it comes out after a tier is finished
And after the ult is too
Ig for the people who might be struggling with the check
A couple more substats might help them
Placebo a clear
rain geode
I mean you get bis mostly to just say you have it then for any practical use
sinful brook
True
raven prawn
im a min/maxer so if i can get full bis, imma do it
raven prawn
But as a reminder full bis isn't just tomestone gear
oh i know its tome/savage, im using Balance as my guide
clear plume
It should removal all rewards but I think for the lols they should allow unsynce...
The reason blu isn’t allowed is presumably because they can’t separate clear flags for achievements
sinful brook
Also indie company
rapid whale
im a min/maxer so if i can get full bis, imma do it
Wait where are you in the msq
raven prawn
Wait where are you in the msq
post dawntrail now
raven prawn
i move quick
rapid whale
NVM carry on
raven prawn
when i set my mind to a goal, it becomes a fixation and im not stopping till every savage boss is done and i can settle into a decent static
rapid whale
I was going to say there's a real world by the time you finish msq ever cold might be out and that gearing is changing a lot
rain geode
The reason blu isn’t allowed is presumably because they can’t separate clear fla...
Maybe it's to much of a hassle? Tho could they just do a brute force work around of making a second version of the ultimate that's exactly the same it just doesn't give rewards
rapid whale
But I was way off lol
raven prawn
I was going to say there's a real world by the time you finish msq ever cold mig...
ive literally gone from stormblood to post dawntrail in about 3 weeks
340 hours
rapid whale
Holy
raven prawn
evercold i reckon i can probably do in the same time when it drops lol
rain geode
I thought I kept a brisk pace tho I also did a fair amount of side stuff
rapid whale
Nah you'll finish it in the early access
raven prawn
aka a week per expansion including post expansion, tomorrow ill clear as much of post dawntrail as i can
rapid whale
Don't forget they only launch with base msq
raven prawn
i legit have kept 1 class, stopped for one day to get crafters up to 50 and only played paladin
clear plume
I will do evercold post patches during early access
rapid whale
He'll yeah
raven prawn
i already know theres gonna be a race to finish evercold as well the second it drops lol
rain geode
Do people race msq?
clear plume
Not really, most people don’t rush at all even on the HC end
raven prawn
they do in every game ive ever seen
clear plume
No realm first achievements like wow has
clear plume
No real endgame content for the launch either
raven prawn
especially youtubers racing to get ALL EXPANSION CUTSCENES out as fast as possible
wicked delta
racing msq just to do extremes on launch lollmao
rotund summit
ya there isnt anything other than 2 EX trials for a month
clear plume
You have a few EX to farm but that’s not worth losing sleep and skipping msq over
pallid kindle
especially youtubers racing to get ALL EXPANSION CUTSCENES out as fast as possib...
this doesn’t happen
clear plume
Also just sucks to get ahead of the curve of players and oops you’re waiting for 3 hours for final trial
zealous meteor
especially youtubers racing to get ALL EXPANSION CUTSCENES out as fast as possib...
well, those need to watch the cutscenes to record them
so they're not setting records either
rain geode
While I wouldn't consider the story the main reason I'm here I might as well enjoy it while I'm doing it
raven prawn
well, those need to *watch* the cutscenes to record them
doesnt mean their not up the second it launches playing as much as they can to finish it all and be the first to upload
being first for many like that with games equals MONEY
pallid kindle
there is little rush to finish msq when nothing is timegatsd for 2 weeks and then it’s just the normal raid
raven prawn
Most people wont watch yt for story week 1
lol you think its for those who actually play ff14
pallid kindle
the only thing to do is ex trials
raven prawn
cutscene youtubers are for those who like the story but dont want to put in the time to play said game
why they watch it on youtube
rain geode
I havnt played during a expansion release yet but I assume they organize it to incentives you to take your time with the msq
pallid kindle
exp launch has 2 ex trials and uncapped
2 weeks after is normal raid
2 weeks after is savage + crafted i think
there is no reason to rush the story unless you don’t care for it at all
raven prawn
there is no reason to rush the story unless you don’t care for it at all
and those players do exist, like me lol, i enjoyed ff14s story but i am at heart a grinder/raider and pvp enjoyer. story is always secondary to me
pallid kindle
there really is nothing to do for 2 weeks but the ex trials
amber fable
Thats fine
Just temper your expectations
For exapc start
Thats all
It dont have a lot to do at launch usually
rapid whale
expac launch is very chill ye
the only thing that can get kinda monka is getting enough materia to pentameld
raven prawn
oh i will, first few weeks from what i can tell will also be rotation practice/ new gearing figure out and do the maths lol since evolved and they mentioned a new gearing system
amber fable
Overworld update
rapid whale
i dont think they will but im coping
rotund summit
they mentioned something ab materia not transferring when you ilvl sync from highest
raven prawn
ngl thats what many think the new gearing system will be. no materia and something else instead
rotund summit
so since it was mentioned im sure its still there
raven prawn
first few weeks for every mmo ive ever played and ive noticed it about ff14 as well, are always rotation practice and maths on gear to figure out whats most optimal
amber fable
Make materia something akin to gearset...22 slots which all apply materia stats regardless of sub stat weight in gear
And allow penta in that gearset
pallid kindle
first few weeks for every mmo ive ever played and ive noticed it about ff14 as w...
i mean the only gear available is uncapped tomes and ex accessories and ex wep
idk what math there is to do besides materia
amber fable
That way your penta wont be wasted atleast
raven prawn
i mean the only gear available is uncapped tomes and ex accessories and ex wep
even that will be mathed and work out whats bis for that current moment lol
pallid kindle
there is only 1 set of armor
amber fable
Main thing is rotation
rotund summit
ya the math is "this one is higher ilvl so i equip it lol"
amber fable
Stat dont matter much beside gcd
rotund summit
xiv is not wow and it wont become wow in EC
raven prawn
doesnt matter lol, if people can do maths to figure out whats most optimal they will
pallid kindle
there is no math besides the materia
pallid kindle
the gear progression is
job gear - uncapped - ex acc - ex wep
on exp launch
and uncapped is better than job gear
rapid whale
i dont think maxim is wrong that regardless of how little a gain it is to care that much about the min/max, someone somewhere will be doin it
namely the balance lmao
pallid kindle
just wait for balance to come out with it
raven prawn
yup, especially if they know harder content is coming and that tiny bit of an advantage can make the difference between a completion and failure
raven prawn
just wait for balance to come out with it
literally the people im talking about
amber fable
Also crafted gear drops with raid
pallid kindle
yup, especially if they know harder content is coming and that tiny bit of an ad...
yeah but crafted comes out later anyways
soooo
it doesn’t matter
raven prawn
yeah but crafted comes out later anyways
it does if it means the difference between a worlds first on content
just cause it doesnt matter to you, doesnt mean it doesnt to others
pallid kindle
does anyone gaf about world first ex trials
raven prawn
yes
pallid kindle
especially on exp launch?
rapid whale
for better or worse, expac launch tiers tend to be on the easier end and im thinking that with the addition of evolved mode, they arre going to tune it even lighter in hopes to give people an opportunity to adjust
like light heavyweight was the easiest tier ever in the history of the game
double digit deaths for final floor week 1
pallid kindle
i’ve not heard of anyone really caring for an ex wf so maybe i just don’t know but like really who gaf
rapid whale
granted that was mostly due to pictomancer existing but yeah
pallid kindle
and unless you got a static that’s also all gonna be skipping story then idk
pallid kindle
i think ur really overestimating an exp launch
wicked delta
ok this may be a dumbass question n it has nothing to do with baldo's drama but if you get banned by GMs and your sub runs out, will your ban be gone if you resub after 2 weeks
pallid kindle
depends
rapid whale
id assume so
loud nymph
I'm p sure sub time still ticks down during ban?
amber fable
Well you're inactive as ban warrants
pallid kindle
i think it’s just based on time sis free 2 weeks it’ll go away if it was that long
loud nymph
oh wait I see what you mean
rapid whale
i think they mean, "do bans only tick down while actively subbed"
wicked delta
just popped up in my mind at random lol
like i assumed it wouldnt matter but ive seen companies do some bullshit
clear plume
ok this may be a dumbass question n it has nothing to do with baldo's drama but ...
Ban times are exclusively based on the day of ban. You are unbanned at daily reset of the day listed
It doesn’t use local time or time of ban in any way
wicked delta
right
clear plume
And bc of that it doesn’t care about your sub status
wicked delta
havent gotten banned but thats good to keep in mind 
clear plume
just cause it doesnt matter to you, doesnt mean it doesnt to others
And as somebody in the HC scene, zero people care about ex trial world first, firstly because it’s really hard to prove it in any way, the stuff used to log fights aren’t available and they’re not hard enough to have a severe edge, so person 1 says they cleared and person 2 from jp said they cleared first, who was actually first, whoever posted to twitter first? The ego isn’t worth that clown show, and secondly, having PTO for raids are what people tend to do, being unemployed so you can skip msq to do extremes with your group just doesn’t matter to people who are instead yaknow, getting work prepped for the actual tier that they are taking time off for.
So it would be a huge “so what” to actually try and brag about it
All skill basically doesn’t come into play, it’s who dcs in an expansion launch the least and skips cutscenes
wicked delta
launch extremes are usually really easy anyway so
idk
no reason to brag about that shit even if you only cared about the fights
clear plume
And again, no tracking on dev side for being first, so like
Trust me I’m the goat angle
amber fable
Farm uncapped tome gear
Get speedkills for 2 week
That's about it for expansion launch content
amber fable
Leveling is easy 2 week
raven prawn
And as somebody in the HC scene, zero people care about ex trial world first, fi...
good to know, thanks for the heads up 😄 also again it matters to some but i can get why you say it doesnt matter to you since savage clears tend to be the most heavily advertised and streamed world firsts for ff14
amber fable
Materia market is hot though
loud nymph
good to know, thanks for the heads up 😄 also again it matters to some but i can...
well because outside of savage and ultimate there's fuck all to stream for this game that'll catch peoples' attention
amber fable
Msq is one and done
rotund summit
quantum!
amber fable
Game is boring af to watch tbf
loud nymph
like yeah you might get an audience for a non xiv streamer who's doing xiv msq for the first time, sure
but for established xiv streamers what is there to stream
rapid whale
i think xiv has the worst player to viewer ratio in all of gaming ngl
millions of players but like, 4k viewers
amber fable
Shit is boring
craggy marsh
Bc it's boring to watch
amber fable
I say even savage and ult wf can be boring
If they dont prog
Seeing 1 mech 20 times isnt fun either
raven prawn
ngl with destiny 2 dead now and that being one of the most heavily watched world first games for a raid. ff14 has a chance to fill that market now but it needs to be done in an entertaining way
craggy marsh
Seeing 1 mech 20 times isnt fun either
Me going to sleep during DSR world prog and waking up to the exact same mechanic they were on 7 hours ago
amber fable
Game is just not inherently fun to watch
Cant do anything about it
It can be fun to play
But not to watch
loud nymph
the game does not have a ton of variance in higher end content meaning if you watch someone do the same raid 20 times you'll probably see them do the same thing 20 times
maybe with some slight variation e.g. m10s firesnaking vs watersnaking
but for the most part it's very static
which means it gets boring fast
raven prawn
curious, what do yall think needs to change, to make ff14 more entertaining to watch?
loud nymph
because you're watching someone do the exact same shit over and over and over again
amber fable
It is fine the way it is
loud nymph
we all know what ffxiv players are like
brisk scarab
crazy how that one streamer got banned right before umad
raven prawn
It doesnt have to be entertaining to watch
it kinda does, for many if a game is fun to watch, it must also be fun to play. ff14 right now is only fun to play and even then its purely known as THE STORY GAME by many
raven prawn
raiding barely gets a look in by many
loud nymph
it kinda does, for many if a game is fun to watch, it must also be fun to play. ...
the game doesn't have to be a super popular streaming title to be successful
amber fable
It already is printing cash
raven prawn
the game doesn't have to be a super popular streaming title to be successful
true, but it does help
loud nymph
you are committing a false dichotomy
amber fable
Why would it need to cater to stream
brisk scarab
Its a popular game thats played, not really watched (unless its the ult races)
raven prawn
ok i can tell im asking the wrong people cause anything i try to say to help or ask a question about what yall think could be done to help its stream numbers/retention for worlds first is going nowhere
pallid kindle
they would have to drastically change the game to appeal to people that don’t play the game
loud nymph
I don't think the game needs to be changed to attract more viewers
pallid kindle
and who matters more
loud nymph
I think it's fine being a game that is fun to play
pallid kindle
the people paying to play the game or the people watching someone else play it
raven prawn
they would have to drastically change the game to appeal to people that don’t pl...
their already changing the game to make it more streamlined for gearing and rotations. change is coming whether people want it or not
amber fable
Yeah but its not for stream
loud nymph
the game needs those changes in order to not collapse under its own decaying weight
zealous meteor
their already changing the game to make it more streamlined for gearing and rota...
what
pallid kindle
what you want involves a much more fundamental change for the entire game
amber fable
Its for accessibility
zealous meteor
those changes are for actual Players
loud nymph
it's not to advertise the game to more audiences
brisk scarab
Why is this guy talking like a anime villian
zealous meteor
not people who watch streams
pallid kindle
and it would make it not ff14
loud nymph
and it's not to make it more attractive to stream
amber fable
Idk why are you so hellbent on it to be some super streambable game
rapid whale
this is like asking, "What does Persona need to change in P6 to be more entertaining to stream?"
raven prawn
ok i can tell my point has been missed. my point is. if they can streamline and change the game, gameplay wise. they can also change fights to make them more entertaining both to watch and play
brisk scarab
These changes are to make up for Dawntrails less then positive reception, which although are GREAT changes for the playerbase, really dont effect stream entertainment
raven prawn
Idk why are you so hellbent on it to be some super streambable game
and i dont get why your so hellbent on making sure its not
PEOPLE STREAM THE GAME.
loud nymph
clearly they do not feel that making the game more entertaining to stream is a priority
pallid kindle
MAY AS WELL MAKE IT ENTERTAINING
they would need to make it not ffxiv
rapid whale
i mean, ultimate world first races are sort of their "more entertaining to watch" moments no?
savage to a lesser extent
amber fable
I mean knowing se it wont happen so ..you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment
zealous meteor
ok i can tell my point has been missed. my point is. if they can streamline and ...
why would they make changes specifically for streams though
they do make fights that are entertaining to play
brisk scarab
the only thing thats done are drops and ult races LOL
wicked delta
reality is that most if not all mmos are boring as shit to watch on stream
anyone who says otherwise is coping
pallid kindle
the only thing thats done are drops and ult races LOL
they only do drops like once an expansion too
loud nymph
if the content is fun to do, which it is, then that's all that matters
wicked delta
the genre is just Like That
rain geode
curious, what do yall think needs to change, to make ff14 more entertaining to w...
Nothing
amber fable
And for me personally..gameplay matters more than is it fun to watch
brisk scarab
Like, how could you possibly make farming any form of content entertaining
rapid whale
no, we must add subway surfer interactive minigames to streams
brisk scarab
besides the personality whos playing
rapid whale
low key im surprised they havent done something like this already on twitch
amber fable
I couldn't care anyless about its streamability
pallid kindle
MAY AS WELL MAKE IT ENTERTAINING
this + exp launch convo shows you have an entirely different idea of what ffxiv is/should be vs what it is
raven prawn
if the content is fun to do, which it is, then that's all that matters
you do realize streams and youtube videos=advertisement for the game. so making it fun to watch brings in more people therefore more players to enjoy the game which then equals more money for square. IM LITERALLY ONLY OFFERING POSITIVE STUFF FOR THE GAME. meanwhile yall are shitting on the ideas
brisk scarab
farming would be boring as shit to watch, and thats a lot of what most ffxiv content is about
pallid kindle
you do realize streams and youtube videos=advertisement for the game. so making ...
honestly who doesn’t know about ffxiv that would play it atp
rotund summit
you do realize streams and youtube videos=advertisement for the game. so making ...
if the changes come at the expense of the game we already like why would we want to change things
rain geode
Mmos just don't translate well to watchablility heck I'd argue xiv is already arguably one of the more fun mmos to watch, you ever watch wow content it's miserable.
loud nymph
you do realize streams and youtube videos=advertisement for the game. so making ...
yes thanks for the explanation of basic economics as you can doubtless tell everyone you are talking to is a fucking moron and does not grasp these concepts
amber fable
I will be real .
People wont join to play this game from watching wf
loud nymph
yeah, as long as the game has a 300+ hour barrier between "character creation" and "jumping into the cool content people stream"
that will be a much bigger issue
rotund summit
if ffxiv is suffering from not getting enough new players the problem isnt watchability its the 400 hour msq lol
amber fable
That thing makes 0 sense if you dont have an iota of what is happening
proper cave
We get minor bumps whenever a streamer goes through the story but beyond that there isn’t really any way for this game to retain viewers outside of those initial story reactions
raven prawn
if ffxiv is suffering from not getting enough new players the problem isnt watch...
thats an entirely seperate issue and again does need to be changed/ the skips reduced in price by a good bit
amber fable
If anything the game needs to work on shit thats not high end which they will..or they say
Will see how it actually goes about
brisk scarab
Eh, I dont know why ffxiv story being long is an issue
maybe having raids locked behind those hours, sure
rotund summit
it isnt an issue it just limits how many ppl will be willing to try/commit to the game
brisk scarab
but like, its 10+ years of story lol
loud nymph
maybe having raids locked behind those hours, sure
Yeah, it's mostly the fact that it's a barrier to entry into that content
pallid kindle
ffxiv is not solving the story wall in any way in either EC or DT so i don’t see anything happening
rapid whale
To put it another way, I think the vast majority of xiv stream viewers are already players
brisk scarab
A real question I wanna ask is how to properly address the story wall
rapid whale
Like easily 95% or more
raven prawn
ngl ive told many of my friends that to get to endgame they have to first grind 300 to 400 hours. all of them said NOPE and would prefer to buy the skip. also the story being 300 to 400 hours is why many dont care about the endgame/pvp of this game and only see it as the story game and nothing else
loud nymph
People see streamers doing cool raids and think "oh cool I can jump in and do this cool looking raid" but then they find out that the cool looking raid is locked behind hundreds of hours of story
raven prawn
People see streamers doing cool raids and think "oh cool I can jump in and do th...
and then they quit then and there
loud nymph
it absolutely has a dampening effect
craggy marsh
Personally i'm okay if XIV remains boring to watch on stream
it doesn't need to be exciting
it's a game that you'd rather play than watch
which is good
loud nymph
and then they quit then and there
they really ought to offer some level of alternate entry to players; at least in EC they will be addressing one of the other glaring issues, which is job rotations all universally sucking ass before 70
pallid kindle
and then they quit then and there
which doesn’t seem to an an issue they’re solving
rapid whale
Yeah it's basically impossible to sell the MMO aspect of xiv which is why I tell people XIV is a JRPG that unlocks MMO elements upon completion
pallid kindle
EC and DT story still rely on previous expansions
craggy marsh
Yeah it's basically impossible to sell the MMO aspect of xiv which is why I tell...
I remember when Yoshi said "Yeah it's an MMO but it's also a Final Fantasy"
proper cave
Story watchers become emotional vampires and jump from one streamer to the next while their own audiences pull back to avoid spoiling themselves if they do catch interest. High end content in this particular gaming genre doesn’t make for good streaming content unfortunately because it is by nature repetitive.
If there were a solution, you’d think someone would have found it by now
raven prawn
they really ought to offer some level of alternate entry to players; at least in...
agreed, also this is why many mmos offer boosted accounts so people who only want to grind endgame can do so. ff14s being blocked by a mandatory 300 hour grind of a story is literally what causes the vast majority of new players to quit. hell i only got through it in the time i did by skipping LITERALLY EVERY TEXT CUTSCENE
brisk scarab
Yeah, thats a reason I dont really watch high end content, since I might plan to do it myself like ultimates
rapid whale
Story watchers become emotional vampires and jump from one streamer to the next ...
This too, if a new player watches an msq streamer and thinks, "wow this is cool I think I'll start playing today" they are incentived to stop watching said streamer
brisk scarab
I also just think story boosts hurts endgame too, since it puts people who have no idea how to properly play the game boost all the way to current content
loud nymph
I've had a lot of friends who burned out on this game specifically because the jobs are all boring before 70 and they don't wanna go through a hundred or so hours of shit just to get to the part where the content starts getting fun
unfortunately I don't think EC will fix the whole issue, because even if jobs are fun, the content will still suck
amber fable
You're still storylocked
rapid whale
I also just think story boosts hurts endgame too, since it puts people who have...
Wasn't there someone who story and job skipped like 300 bucks worth and then did absolutely dogshit 40% uptime and got mad that the game "never taught them how to play"
loud nymph
but it's a step in the right direction
rapid whale
I swear that happened here
wicked delta
that has happened multiple times
amber fable
And those who don't
pallid kindle
having a level 100 kit in crystal tower will never solve the problem of CT being incredibly boring
visual geyser
unfortunately I don't think EC will fix the whole issue, because even if jobs ar...
Atleast at level 50 every job will have a fucntionung rotation
amber fable
Its really rng if you get either of em
visual geyser
having a level 100 kit in crystal tower will never solve the problem of CT being...
True
brisk scarab
Is there really even a solution to ffxiv storywall issues that dont make more problems then itll solve
pallid kindle
Is there really even a solution to ffxiv storywall issues that dont make more pr...
they could make the godless realms saga not the godless realms saga
rapid whale
Giga solar copium take : evolved kit gives them the opportunity to rebalance the numbers of old content making them at least somewhat more fun by making them do mechanics instead of skipping 60% of the fights
pallid kindle
and make it not require endwalker knowledge
but they aren’t
sooooooo idk what they’re thinking
amber fable
Story is what devs feel is main point of the game so they want you to see it all...now if you dont care for then skip it is
brisk scarab
I dont see an issue with a raid being connected to lore though
amber fable
I do feel they can offer a one time skip but like
sleek moon
starting from scratch with zero pre-existing lore is pretty much impossible
raven prawn
Is there really even a solution to ffxiv storywall issues that dont make more pr...
yes, its called reduce the prices of the skips/massively reduce the amount of quests involved in the story, especially certain cutscenes stopping, to lead to me clicking on someONE RIGHT NEXT TO THE NPC WHOS CUTSCENE JUST FINISHED to then enter another cutscene. JUST MERGE THEM TOGETHER
visual geyser
Yea lol
sleek moon
and would suck
amber fable
I dunno if se will ever do it
visual geyser
Every plot point will need some connection to what we know
rapid whale
Story is what devs feel is main point of the game so they want you to see it all...
Yeah iirc last time I checked less than 20% actually clear a current savage tier and it's still under 40% for "those who try"
pallid kindle
Every plot point will need some connection to what we know
if they wanted to solve the issue they wouldn’t have the solstice be the plot point
visual geyser
Agree
sleek moon
im hosting a LM for zelenia and im honestly surprised people stay through these, like 13 runs over two parties and no drop
amber fable
Also game isnt loot grind like wow where item can have exponential effect on your dps
sleek moon
thats so much work for so little pay lol
rapid whale
Like it's just a statistical fact that "what the game is" to the majority of the player base is not savage/ultimate raiding
brisk scarab
its afking limsa, THATS the content people need
amber fable
So what content you do matter more
rapid whale
So true bestie
amber fable
Which leads to most content being boring as sin
I personally find every stream of this game boring af
rapid whale
I think advanced criterion was like the perfect difficulty for the casual/midcore players
visual geyser
Same
craggy marsh
Like it's just a statistical fact that "what the game is" to the majority of the...
I've always been okay with XIV being a casual game
rapid whale
Hard enough to die, not hard enough to actually fail
brisk scarab
Make ultimate mount drops
visual geyser
I think they need to completely overhaul ex
brisk scarab
visual geyser
The ex trials need to be structured different
pallid kindle
The ex trials need to be structured different
they are
they said enuo was the last trial like it
visual geyser
99 totems for a pity mount in 6 months is so fucking cringe
craggy marsh
Ultimate should drop mounts I agree
pallid kindle
they said totems are changing too
brisk scarab
99 totems for a pity mount in 6 months is so fucking cringe
AGREED
amber fable
Totem is going away
pallid kindle
they just didn’t do it for enuo
amber fable
Most likely
proper cave
They’ve implied that current ex is the last extreme as we know them
pallid kindle
they’re changing trials for EC
brisk scarab
WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT LIKE TWO PATCHED TO GET MY EXPANSION EX MOUNT
I want my golden wings, damnit
proper cave
Something is changing with their structure but we have to wait until Berlin
rapid whale
My other giga supreme neutron star copium take for EC : the in-between difficulty of normal to savage is going to be the content casuals have been begging for where it might actually take them an entire week to clear
Like could a proper savage static clear that shit in one night yeah probably
rapid whale
But I think for msq Andy it's going to be that like, one fight per night maybe two nights for the later floors sweet spot
amber fable
Gotta see how they do it
wicked delta
i think i trust my own skills enough that i could clear in two days
amber fable
And also what will it give
wicked delta
but that requires me actually doing content
visual geyser
I can’t see the next difficulty being that hard
amber fable
If it dont give shit then its doa
wicked delta
i dont have the hunger 
amber fable
Like criterion was in ew
raven prawn
ive just realized. adding evercold for a new player is going to increase their time to endgame by another 100 hours and any new player who just wants to check out the next expansion, isnt going to get to without also purchasing the skips
amber fable
People will skip and just do savage then
Msq isnt 100 hours
Its like 30-40
At most
rapid whale
I can’t see the next difficulty being that hard
im imagining it being a step up from extreme
craggy marsh
I wonder what the new battle content they're doing is
raven prawn
you completely missed my point
wicked delta
i think advanced is a good preview for what the difficulty will be
craggy marsh
inb4 it's mythic dungeons
craggy marsh
They need to stop adding spells man, my controller hotbar cant hold that many
Evolved will fix that
amber fable
They are condensing it
pallid kindle
They need to stop adding spells man, my controller hotbar cant hold that many
you’re never gonna believe this
brisk scarab
Im not gonna lie I checked out everything except the evolved stuff LOL
Is it that game changing
amber fable
See it
rain geode
I mean I wouldn't complain if there was a more reasonable fast track to endgame for people who just want to savage but I really don't want this game to end up like say destiny 2
amber fable
Yourself
amber fable
Its on youtube
raven prawn
I mean I wouldn't complain if there was a more reasonable fast track to endgame ...
you mean dead? thats gonna happen one year lol
amber fable
Then wait for 8.0
rain geode
you mean dead? thats gonna happen one year lol
I was more specifically referring to vaulted content but that tl
rapid whale
Is it that game changing
they explicitly stated that their goal when designing the evolved modes was to stay as close to 16 buttons, including role actions, as possible
sullen minnow
Hello I have a silly question 
how is P4S these days unsynced? I wanted the sage weapon from it 
brisk scarab
Bro 😭 I know how to find the evolved shit, I just havent checked it out yet
rain geode
they explicitly stated that their goal when designing the evolved modes was to s...
Side note but I sorta wish they made it like 20-22 buttons I feel that's a good range
rapid whale
Hello I have a silly question <:Hyacine_Angel:1317501639560531978> how is P4S th...
dies before act 2
raven prawn
I was more specifically referring to vaulted content but that tl
i mean, they could revamp a lot of it. for example, why am i having to click on another npc who was involved in the previous cutscene. JUST TO ENTER ANOTHER CUTSCENE. just merge the two
it literally could be streamlined
rapid whale
Side note but I sorta wish they made it like 20-22 buttons I feel that's a good ...
i imagine it's in preparation for future expansions when the kits will get to that size tbh
rain geode
Tho I also think 3 hot bars is a fair amount
wicked delta
dies before act 2
in a party thats awake
rain geode
i imagine it's in preparation for future expansions when the kits will get to th...
Guess we'll see
wicked delta
very important note to add
amber fable
Bro 😭 I know how to find the evolved shit, I just havent checked it out yet
Some people genuinely expects spoon feed..can never be sure
sullen minnow
dies before act 2
mind you I know shit about savage so idk how hard that is actually
visual geyser
Yea easy fight
rapid whale
<a:Phroloheadscratch:1343083105216495626> mind you I know shit about savage so i...
you soak 1 tower while running either east/west to north/south or vice versa, fight over
sullen minnow
then comes the hard part finding people who are willing to help me but that’s good to know already!! I’ll probably still look up mechs tho..just in case
Hey why are you laughing 
brisk scarab
Now that I finally got morbol, Imma try to get an ult clear before my fall semester
rapid whale
you can do it
sullen minnow
UWU looks easy on paper but..
amber fable
How much time of that is waiting for pf to fill
rotund summit
How much time of that is waiting for pf to fill
tbh i wasnt counting waiting time xd bc i was working on papers
wicked delta
brisk scarab
LOL
sullen minnow
That would be me LMAO
sullen minnow
please join my pf im about to ruin your day but you don’t know it yet
brisk scarab
Im so sad I didnt complete this savage tier, since doing other ults while umad is coming is gonna be almosy impossible
rotund summit
^ yea same
i will be progging savage as others do UMAD i think
or maybe i will work on DD
lowkey a lot i want to do
sullen minnow
Bro I’m still mortified by current high end but I hope the additional difficulty in EC can ease me into it better
amber fable
My motivation to clear tier dropped with reclears
rotund summit
i want to do OC but i dont know what i should be doing there and it feels like it would be easy to waste my own time if i dont use a guide, cant find a comprehensive one anywhere
amber fable
Should have skipped those and just progged
brisk scarab
i want to do OC but i dont know what i should be doing there and it feels like i...
Oc is pretty straightforward
The raid itself is easier to access now too
sullen minnow
Bro I’m still mortified by current high end but I hope the additional difficulty...
Although I have no idea where exactly that difficulty is I don’t think they explained that yet
sullen minnow
Is it that bad 
rotund summit
is my goal to cap phantoms? it just feels like aimless FATES and encounters with nothing im actually working towards
amber fable
Yes
brisk scarab
Thats just how field ops work LOL
amber fable
Pjob mastery adds like 1.5% damage per mastery
random needle
anything to avoid progging m12s p2 on my own
I could help with m12 if you help get me that last m11 kill I need purrhaps
brisk scarab
You mostly grind relic, gear that only caters to that region (mostly) and getting relics
wicked delta
how cooked do u think we are
random needle
I'm probably marginally better than some of PF maybe
brisk scarab
I have everything at max in OC, I just need more FT reclears to get full +2
wicked delta
I could help with m12 if you help get me that last m11 kill I need purrhaps
if this party gets nowhere in like 30 mins then sure ig
i already recleared tho
if u care abt loot shit
amber fable
Ftb gear will also be not needed for north horn gear progression
So once that comes ftb wont be ran as much
Most likely
rapid whale
i will be progging savage as others do UMAD i think
i do not mean to be a downer but savage will have significantly less players once UMAD is out
amber fable
I did m10 after taking 3 months hiatus
wicked delta
the only pf that will be slightly alive is m12s
amber fable
Its pretty easy
wicked delta
and thats slightly
amber fable
I dunno why it took me 150 pulls to clear that
wicked delta
was fighting for my life in m10 week 1
your melee was a monkey
thats why
do yall think this wins
rotund summit
i do not mean to be a downer but savage will have significantly less players onc...
ya maybe its a farm FRU bis and do a solo DD season
can always come back and do DMU in EC
rotund summit
relic soon!
wicked delta
i could technically join kefka parties but i think they'd shoot me for not having savage weapon lol
dull drum
idk about soon isnt it pt far off
amber fable
Only time I ever got tome wep was in abyssos
Skipped it since then
You either get savage or you sport a relic
No in between
wicked delta
you're trying to prog m10s in week 60 million are you surprised
rapid whale
i unironically do reclears for the love of the game atp
clear plume
<a:Phroloheadscratch:1343083105216495626> mind you I know shit about savage so i...
Is the tldr for p4s unsync
tepid briar
me: posts lf static as a pure healer
someone: do you play shield healer?
... I wish I did
amber fable
Time to learn sch
tepid briar
you're trying to prog m10s in week 60 million are you surprised
maybe they avoid them because they're a prick
amber fable
It takes time to fill at this point
clear plume
Tobi when are we getting your tier clear tomorrow
amber fable
Prog is ass to do late in a tier
wicked delta
boreal pumice
Has Tobi sub ran out yet
tepid briar
any reqs or just practice
clear plume
Since he’s logged on I’m guessing no
wicked delta
Tobi when are we getting your tier clear tomorrow
my bf is spawning into my house tmr so its unlikely ill be online at all
clear plume
What’s more important, relationships or raid?
(If you knew the correct answer you’d have cleared 2 months ago)
wicked delta
he can help me clear 
wicked delta
(If you knew the correct answer you’d have cleared 2 months ago)
listen
u dont understand
every time im like okay time to sit down and prog this shit
i get my ass beat by either my studies or family stuff
checked the pf leads logs
oof
trim epoch
Dark knight mains using their own barrier right before I use mine
boreal pumice
Study hard
random needle
Their TBN pop is more important than yours I'm ngl
trim epoch
Tbn?
wicked delta
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
random needle
The Blackest Night, their short mit
trim epoch
Oh
clear plume
I found out why people are leaving
wicked delta
dudes trying to c41 and hasnt stepped foot into the fight im fucking crying
tepid briar
i cannot believe my eyes
wait.
random needle
That move from mh wilds
... yeah let's go with that