endgame-lounge

[fiery jewel]

PLD well that's obvious

[jolly flume]

here's my flaming hot take

[fiery jewel]

idk what they were cooking with the VPR disengage

tbf

[amber fable]

Pld isnt even a healer with protect and shell

[jolly flume]

paladin should have to cast its spells

[fiery jewel]

yes

[amber fable]

Fake ass job

[fiery jewel]

br

idk whyppl are so against

more cast times

it makes the combat more dynamic

[worn bluff]

overcorrection from RPR feeling janky

[fiery jewel]

and situational

I want channeled actions back would be so peak

make flamethrower meta

[jolly flume]

idk I just think having a phys ranged phase is lame

[fiery jewel]

the BRD mains saw

BRD have a cast time

[jolly flume]

you gotta like

[fiery jewel]

and they were FUMING

[jolly flume]

have a trade off for the free disconnects

[fiery jewel]

like are we serious BRD mains

your job literally uses magic

unlike MCH

[worn bluff]

i'm fine with divine might but it's too frequent

[amber fable]

Every job use magic /s

[fiery jewel]

technically yes

I really do think all Jobs should have a cast time action to an extent

[jolly flume]

plus it would be funny as shit to watch paladins die to hallowed wing 2 because they hard casted with bulwark up

god

[fiery jewel]

it just makes the combat more interesting sometimes

but they can make exceptions for some jobs

ig

[worn bluff]

code tank busters as an extremely heavy DoT so PLD becomes the worst tank

[fiery jewel]

DRK should def have cast times to an extent

[jolly flume]

the fact that you can bank it through your entire combo cycle until you can proc it again is like

[amber fable]

Dot proc the counter

[jolly flume]

just too free

[amber fable]

For max damage

Meanwhile rpr losing executioner if it so much as fart a dd

[fiery jewel]

That's why I want to have hope for Evolved like at least they are changing shit

[worn bluff]

it's also that they don't just get that but then they also get half their 1 min burst ranged lol

[fiery jewel]

BRD cast times is so peak

[jolly flume]

I wanted the pvp semicasts on brd and mch back

and we can just delete dnc

[worn bluff]

blasting zone should be a line AoE

[fiery jewel]

based

[amber fable]

Jobs losing proc from not using it immediately is the most stupidest thing about current job setup

[robust shoal]

tfw second m4s intermission wild charge happened the gcd after you were forced to send your DMHS

[fiery jewel]

don't get me wrong I think the only Jobs who should have cast times on basic actions are Caster and Healer

[robust shoal]

I know a perfectly normal amount about that fight

[fiery jewel]

but like should Physical Ranged or Melee Jobs not have a cast finisher at least be fr

[jolly flume]

yea it's like one gcd out of 7 where you're forced to not have a dmhs up

and then you just cope and throw the shield like every other tank

[whole estuary]

All DRK skills should have cast time and animation lock to make the sword feel heavy

[jolly flume]

is this what it feels like to not have paladin privilege?

[whole estuary]

The only way to animation cancel is the gap closer

[fiery jewel]

I'm thinking more like

DRK is using magic it's clearly a magic Job

[amber fable]

Pld still has enough time to hard cast hs

[fiery jewel]

clearly it should have at least one cast time

[amber fable]

Like during ult weps in m11

[fiery jewel]

DRK is basically the inverse PLD of the tank role

[amber fable]

You can hard cast

[fiery jewel]

I know the true PLD inverse is RPR if we are going on lore ig

[amber fable]

And still get to weps

[jolly flume]

I don't think you ever need to cast on 2.5

just greedge

[worn bluff]

there's a weird thing with early buff in M12 P1 where it lets you prep a DHMS right before act 3 in case you get the far tower. but if you buff normally it doesn't line up properly and you have to use it before act 3

[fiery jewel]

oh if they

[amber fable]

You dont but if you had to

[fiery jewel]

merge sks and sps

[amber fable]

You still could

[fiery jewel]

PLD and RPR would feel 10x better

DRK too I think

[jolly flume]

you know what else is on my list of things they should rework

just delete piety and add its effect to spellspeed to mitigate the increased mp consumption

how is this stat still a thing

[fiery jewel]

yea

smth like that

I think they rework materia a bit though

I defintely see SpS and SkS being merged

there's like no way atp

[amber fable]

I dunno

They didnt mention anything about materia

[fiery jewel]

they didn't mention a lot of things it's the first fanfest

[amber fable]

Will see if they do

[fiery jewel]

they were just throwing stuff out there

[amber fable]

But I have 0 expectations

[fiery jewel]

like for the new animation stuff

[jolly flume]

eh they might take the opportunity with the new gearing system to mess with it a bit

we'll see

[fiery jewel]

Yoshida he was talking about adding group emotes and animations pre-fanfest but that wasn't mentioned at fanfest directly, but probably still being added.

[tepid briar]

okay sleep time

dango will bless you with parses

[amber fable]

Sks and sps being clubbed would be start

[raven prawn]

is palace of the dead level restricted? or can i use whats in there as punching bags so i can practice my endgame rotation?

[fiery jewel]

SkS and SpS being seperated actually causes problems for a few Jobs

that use both Spells and Weaponskills

[amber fable]

Piety being ten equivalent would also help

[fiery jewel]

and it's not evne like "let's just build both SpS and SkS on x Job " when Crit/Det/DH are way more viable already.

Not an option

[amber fable]

If they truly wanna do something new then they should allow sub stat customization on gear

[fiery jewel]

they should say fuck it and add a Sphere Grid

[amber fable]

Make it so that savage gear has unlocked option to change substat

Let me run all major substat as sks/sps

[fiery jewel]

ye

60 max I think

1-60

[jolly flume]

yeah

just go unlock stone sky sea

or a training dummy...

[fiery jewel]

stone sky sea

😭

[amber fable]

Hit a dummy bruv

Wachumeqimeqi is right there

Use that

[jolly flume]

summerford farms wants to know your location

[fiery jewel]

summerford farms is the best

base omicron is the most underrated

[tulip wraith]

can also just exploration mode any dungeon

[amber fable]

There dummy right next to first aetheryte of sb

Just go there

[fiery jewel]

base omicron training dummy is such a vibe

[amber fable]

Its literally right next to it

[tulip wraith]

potd is a crazy first place to want to go

[amber fable]

Castrum or something

[rain geode]

I usually use the Falcons nest dummys

[amber fable]

I forgot what its called

[fiery jewel]

my 3 most used are Summerford Farms, Living Memory, Base Omicron last expac.

[amber fable]

Nowadays i go to wachumeqi

Cuz its level 100 dummy

Let me see how much damage a burst do

[tulip wraith]

i just use my house

[amber fable]

I like seeing the numbers

[fiery jewel]

what are the odds they add a DPS tracker in EC

[amber fable]

None

Beside pvp

[fiery jewel]

yeah I guess PvP technically has one

[jolly flume]

call of the void type shit

if the void was killing you with boredom instead of gravity

[worn bluff]

or M12 P1

[jolly flume]

light it up

[raven prawn]

if i can do floor 1 to 100 in division 2 of summit in one go, i can do palace of the dead lol

[pale urchin]

Why stop there? Go 200 and get that rare Necromancer Title

[tall field]

I did potd till 50 yea

For PT unlock

On warrior

But then eventually did till 60

[raven prawn]

ngl that title is fitting cause like summit in division 2, your probably also dead mentally and acting on impulse alone by the time you finish it lol

[pale urchin]

I could barely even make it pass 110. The difficulty is kinda something.

How does one not lose their mind doing POTD? I just open FGO on the side

[trim frost]

dont do potd

thats how

[pale urchin]

POTD and PT are fine, it's HoH and EO where the real pain begin

[amber fable]

Deep dungeon is the most wasted game mode ...10 years and 4 iteration and shit is just copy paste...pt did do some changes

But like ...how the fuck is it that hard to add something new to it

No wonder se only now felt that overworld shouldn't just exist for msq

Living in 2000s ahh shi /s

[tired egret]

Still better than the korean MMOs

Who cares about the overworld unless it's for grinding

We shall only focus on raids & thats it

[tall field]

Evercold open world surely

Surely makes it immersive

[tired egret]

make FATEs required for the MSQ

so it's not just fetch quests

and not just "yap with NPCs"

[pale urchin]

Pls no, not the Heavensward Era again

[tired egret]

wait HW requires FATEs for MSQ?

that actually explains why people like it alot

[rain geode]

awful idea

[pale urchin]

Can't remember, it's been 11 years already

Awful idea indeed because people be camping those Fate, halting progression

Well, for NA and EU that is

[tired egret]

fine then

[versed kayak]

tbh I'd rather grind in a KMMO than do DDs (solo), at least kmmos have a fun combat system usually so it's not that bad

[tired egret]

yeah, that is like the only thing I loved when playing Maple2 or Tree of Savior

[versed kayak]

Then you would need that fate to have near permanent uptime, otherwise you'll just be stuck

[tired egret]

shame the former's official servers are gone now, and the latter is absolute dogshit

[pale urchin]

RIP Maple 2

[tall field]

How is p12s unsync?

CC1 dead?

P2 i mean

[tired egret]

I miss Lvl 60+ Thief

[tall field]

In kobe guide it said sc1

[tired egret]

best edgy rogue class I played in an MMO

[tall field]

I doubt its sc1 now

Should be before sc1 we reach p2

Or not rly

Altho i find hector better than kobe for p12 mechs to get mount from it

[visual geyser]

Legit surprised they haven’t nerfed any of the steps yet

[loud nymph]

why would they nerf it while DT is still live

at the earliest they'll probably wait until 7.56

[tall field]

The day they make demis always drop from fates/CEs

Is the day we will all see interest

[robust shoal]

collect 100 paste

[jade nimbus]

Mhm, if only

I might need the relic for umad

But also I don't want to grind the relic

Cause I think relics steps are just not fun tbh

[loud nymph]

Good news, if you're going to clear it in the first two months, then no you don't

[desert meadow]

whats the cut off point for 99 totem mount and higher drop rate? doomtrain?

[jade nimbus]

Lmao, kek even

I'm not that hopeful

How much of an increase would the relic weapon be btw?

[tall field]

Whats ilvl 775

795 is on july 28th

Onwards

[thin tartan]

rrahhhhhhhhh

adps

[robust shoal]

[thin tartan]

im surprised a 96 is r7

[dapper zealot]

in 7 runs

[desert meadow]

I wonder how much gil you can earn from doing a bunch of those lootmaster wing parties

[dapper zealot]

damn second wing drop after another 3 runs

[amber fable]

Whats there to nerf for dt relics

Beside upping atma rate

[dapper zealot]

3 wings 5 runs, that's some crazy luck

[amber fable]

I got 2 wings within 6 runs

Both were merc, so easy money

This for enuo

Meanwhile m11 lm was 2m

Less gil for more effort

[dapper zealot]

4th wing on the very next run

wtf is going on

[rigid cobalt]

So for for the stage 2 phantom weps. Can you actually grind the aetherwell array or it's literally just doing the daily duty roulette?

[boreal pumice]

you can grind it all you like

[rigid cobalt]

ahh nice. Want to get stage 2 done asap so I can start agonizing over stage 3

[loud nymph]

Yeah there's a daily bonus but if you want to keep grinding after the daily you still can

[queen raft]

They need to make chaotic raids more difficult

[rotund summit]

surely right?

[lyric summit]

yeag

[remote gate]

question about the exquisite weapons (tomestone lv 90 weapons from ew), you dont need to do the hardest version of the crit dungeon anymore to get the materials to make the weapons have vfx right?

[sick dirge]

yeah you just gotta do MT advanced and buy the ester for 40 brass

[remote gate]

MT advanced? kinda missed a lot of content in DT so im not familiar with that one

[amber fable]

The advanced version of new variant dungeon

[true beacon]

I still need to unlock Rokkon and MT

[tall field]

Dw p2 swaps and chasers are mandatory still to do

Unsync wont allow u to skip it

[flat axle]

I did my first ultimate yesterday😵‍💫 just looking at the video of all the mechanics I had to do made me dizzy

[boreal pumice]

not like swaps or chaser is hard its just get in postion run in a square hope the tank moved if your a dps

[tall field]

Ye but many panic still tbh

I like one more thing in unsync

Due to the dps

The add auto teleports to center

And casts lateral/core

This was my fav qol since the most annoying for me was add positioning in chaotic

Like Twintania in UCOB is a million times easier to position for mechanics

[latent kestrel]

how'd it go? I keep seeing PF posts about some of the earlier Ultimates and I'm always so hesitant to join

[rapid whale]

hly

idk if yall are following the destiny news but apparently it was not actually destiny 3 in the works because they just laid off a bunch of ppl

[valid solar]

yep

anonymous employee confirmed d3 isnt being worked on

destiny bros are joining the half life and titanfall fans I fear

[kind elm]

i stay copeful for a potential future development

i know it wont happen

[rapid whale]

ill totally admit i thought it meant d3 was in the works and almost ready for announcement

[kind elm]

but i stay copeful

[rapid whale]

that they would announced sunset

so hearing about a bunch of layoffs genuinely surprised me

v sad

[craggy marsh]

Billion dollar company cant manage more than 1 game

Make it make sense

[latent kestrel]

I thought that was just rumours, but damn, even more of a bummer

[rapid whale]

yea

[craggy marsh]

Sony was crazy to buy Bungie for billions

[kind elm]

thanks pete parsons

[rapid whale]

i was even in the like, "hm if this is actually destiny 3 coming Soon ™ i might play it this time around"

v sad

[latent kestrel]

I'm legitimately super bummed by the death of Destiny tbh. Started playing when D2 launched, since i didn't have a system to play D1. Was really really hopeful that I could continue to enjoy the universe, but this news just really bums me tf out

[kind elm]

im quite bummed to

[rapid whale]

yeah a lot of people seem to have grown up with the destiny franchise

so it's very sad to see it go

[kind elm]

i quite the game ages ago and i kinda hate it now but like

i still loved it

it was still a huge part of my life and how i met 90% of my friends

[valid solar]

im not gonna lie it is kinda funny dmg04 was gassing up the new expac last week and said look forward to next weeks news and then next weeks news was end of development

[valid solar]

I wonder if he found out the same time as everyone else

[kind elm]

i also feel rly bad for the devs considering destiny is like

[latent kestrel]

I didn't even really grow up with it. D2 came out in 2017, I think I was just about finished University or just fresh out of it when I started playing

[kind elm]

a franchise that is absolutely adored by its devs

[rapid whale]

if I was magically the ceo i would say : remake destiny 1 and 2 as a single player game, but use it as a way to test a brand new gfx engine and make things look amazing.

or even co op halo style

then use that new engine to work on d3

[valid solar]

this is a dumb idea you should buy 3 supercars and show them off on social media instead

thank you pete parsons

[rapid whale]

mb this is why im not a ceo

[latent kestrel]

I'm gonna stay hopeful that these layoffs arent gonna be as significant as is being alluded to, and that D3 will start development soon, but I feel like I'm huffing Hopium at this point

[craggy marsh]

It's just so fucking crazy that the company got billions of dollars and none of that went into the actual game

[valid solar]

ngl I totally expect sony will absorb bungie soon

[craggy marsh]

They need to

[kind elm]

didnt pete parsons greenlight like 6 different huge projects with no intention of seeing them through

[latent kestrel]

Legitimately baffles me why they're throwing all their eggs into the Marathon basket, when they already had a fucking Golden Goose with Destiny. Marathon was hitting numbers lower then the lowest numbers D2 ever hit

[lost sinew]

this is the actual secret here yeah

[valid solar]

yeah he somehow convinced sony to buy bungie for an overvalued price, gave himself a gigantic bonus and then fucked off

amazing play

[lost sinew]

it's hard not to look at that specifically as what ended up really fucking them over

though obviouslt there were other issues at play

[rapid whale]

knowing Sony, if they do actually absorb bungie, they're going to make the next destiny a PS exclusive

🤮

[kind elm]

like the entire death spiral of d2 can be traced to pete

its wild

[valid solar]

the captain robbed the ship

[latent kestrel]

This would actually depress me even more... like cmon man...

Cause there is no way I'm buying a damn Playstation

[random needle]

So this is basically the equivalent of "SE says they're shutting down FFXI, everyone thinks they're about to announce FFXVII as another MMO, but then they say they're firing everyone in CS3"? Or is that too exaggerated

[kind elm]

yeah kinda

[latent kestrel]

Pretty much

[rapid whale]

surely this means there's a gap in the FPS MMO market and riot will fill in the niche like they always do

[kind elm]

hella ppl got laid off, rest of the people left got moved onto marathon iirc?

and like i love marathon but i feel like

this is badge

[valid solar]

technically D2 isnt being shut down, the same way D1 isnt shut down, its just permanent maintenance mode

[kind elm]

no more content

servers stay up

[random needle]

What if the Warframe people make a spinoff to lean harder into Destiny's niche

[latent kestrel]

My only issue with this is, I dunno if any company can make a game with the same feel as Destiny. Like people always like to point to Warframe, but it just doesn't have the same gunplay with abilities

[kind elm]

bungie is the only company that can pull off destiny gunplay

you can feel it in marathon

because its bungie

[valid solar]

DE is already developing a second game so I dont think they'd expand again for a third

[kind elm]

they have it down to a fucking science

[random needle]

Ah

[latent kestrel]

Bungie's gunplay is in a whole other level from everyone else

[lost sinew]

marathon looks v saucey but unfortunately i can't commit to that sort of fps

[pale gale]

rip destiny 2

[random needle]

I don't think I've played... any Bungie game actually. Except like 20 minutes of the Halo CE remaster which might have been 343 anyway

[lost sinew]

it looks neat tho

[kind elm]

i do not enjoy extraction shooters but i really enjoy marathon

[latent kestrel]

I personally won't play Marathon, if only cause I don't think I could stand to deal with the BS of Extraction Shooters

[rapid whale]

i only paly tac fps which are notorious for having shit gun play, can you explain what makes destiiny's gunplay so special (genuine q im just ignorant)

[pale gale]

Smart thinking to Bungie

[kind elm]

i think its because the maps are so small

so gunfights are much more frequent

[pale gale]

They killed one of their most profitable ips in destiny 2

[kind elm]

you get to actually PVP

[valid solar]

tbh its something that you cant really get until you play it for yourself

its hard to explain

[latent kestrel]

It's hard to really explain tbh, you have to experience it

[pale gale]

then focus on a niche population genre in extraction shooters

[random needle]

I'm ngl, I still don't really understand what the "extraction" in extraction shooters is

[pale gale]

bruh

i cant

[pale gale]

you get out

with loot

thats it

[rapid whale]

you go to a certain spot on the map to exit

[kind elm]

go in, get loot, get out

if you die, ur loot is gone

[pale gale]

its basically an evolution to battle royale

[random needle]

so it's a roguelite /s

[pale gale]

except you have the chance to keep your progress

[kind elm]

get better loot, be able to win better fights, stay in longer, get better loot

[pale gale]

in loadouts and loot

[kind elm]

honestly kinda

[latent kestrel]

Truthfully, I know I would rage super hardcore in Extraction Shooters, cause I'm already mid af at PvP in FPS Games

[pale gale]

the problem is, its a very niche genre

its full of sweats

[random needle]

Oh I can imagine

[kind elm]

i really enjoy marathon despite hating the genre

[pale gale]

so why make a brand new ip based off that

[kind elm]

because 1. its bungie gunplay

[random needle]

I have enough trouble in casual TF2 and MvM

[kind elm]

and 2. its fairly accessible

also maps are small so you get into more fights

its rly nice

[pale gale]

like sure we can kill destiny 2

thats up and gone

then again

they can keep that shit going and they have so many chances

[latent kestrel]

Marathon having Bungie Gunplay is the only reason I would try it, but I hate Extraction Shooters, and considering Destiny 2 is essentially being killed in favour of Marathon, I have every reason to hate the game with every fibre of my being imo

[random needle]

Though I guess TF2 is the only FPS I played for any appreciable amount of time

I did play Splatoon for a while but that's not FP

[pale gale]

but the moment they deleted 45 pecent of the playable content in destiny 2

yeah i left

fuck that

i payed for that

[latent kestrel]

Wont shit talk anyone who enjoys Marathon, but I hate the game for siphoning resources from Destiny

[kind elm]

i do think making marathon an extraction shooter was kind of dumb

[pale gale]

piece of shit company cant even lie properly

ive been on a bungie hate watch since then

[latent kestrel]

Yeah, if it leaned more on the PvE potential a universe like that has, I think people would've been much more intent to give it a shot

[pale gale]

marathon was a pve linear shooter

[zealous meteor]

SPLATOON MENTION!!!!

[latent kestrel]

Lol, I dont remember the OG Marathon, so I legit had no idea

[pale gale]

exactly

but

they can just put in the original linear campaign

and add the extraction as a mode

like delta force

that game was trucking along

gun play is good even without extraction

they can just make a cod clone out of that

that would have made alot of sense

[latent kestrel]

I get why Bungie thought it MIGHT be a good idea to make it an Extraction Shooter, considering Arc Raiders' huge success, but that was lightning in a bottle, not something that can be replicated... LIKE DESTINY WAS! .-.

[pale gale]

true

arc raiders was a flash in the pan

perfect storm for the extraction shooter genre

[latent kestrel]

Hell, I think Arc Raiders was so successful because it had PvE Focused Lobbies as well, so people who didn't want to deal with PvP didnt have to

So it had something for everyone

[pale gale]

if marathon flops and from the looks of the playerbase and the amount of money poured/money got back from profits

it aint looking too good

How can you even balance a Extraction shooter for casuals

everyone starting out already got good loot

if theres no lock out / wipes

so its basically farm fest

[latent kestrel]

I mean, to give Bungie some credit, they have a history of turning flops into gems. Year 1 Destiny 1 and Year 1 Destiny 2 were both horrendously awful, but then D1 got Taken King and D2 got Forsaken

[pale gale]

destiny 1 and destiny 2 year 1 releases werent as bad

but they werent totally flops

[latent kestrel]

True true, though Destiny 2 certainly got close with CoO

[pale gale]

those games were good on its own

[pale gale]

marathon is bad on a marketing/strategic sense

you are competing against arc raider

destiny has no competition

[latent kestrel]

Cause I remember Curse of Osiris. Shit almost shut Bungie down as a studio. But I do agree that Marathon has been a bad idea since inception

[pale gale]

destiny is the only fps mmo looter shoother there is

[zealous meteor]

forsaken? isn't that what people thought endwalker was gonna be called /s

[pale gale]

forsaken was idk

i dont even want to speak about that game

a game that took away resources from ff15

makes me boil

[latent kestrel]

Destiny set a new standard for what it could be as an FPS game, it was its own genre and other companies floundered in trying to replicate even a fraction of its success. Marathon is just Bungie chasing trends and failing miserably, literally doing what every other company did with them and Destiny

[pale gale]

Curse of Osiris was bad, that i can tell, i have played it and some of the story didnt make sense. Raiding was fun from the post launch content

the problem ius

I CANT EVEN PLAY THAT SHIT

the strikes

omg

thats like 45 percent of the total playtime from destiny

[latent kestrel]

The raid for that expac wasnt even called a Raid, it was a Raid Lair... (i did enjoy that final boss fight though, excited to fight Argos again in Pantheon 2.0)

[pale gale]

and the forsaken dlc

[pale gale]

yeah raid lair

forsaken dlc was also good

[latent kestrel]

Forsaken defined what they SHOULD have done with future expansions. I get there was alot there in it, but if we got Forsaken level expansions from then on, Destiny 2 would still probably be going super strong

[pale gale]

i couldnt care less if they remade the entirety of that content but to delete it and shelve it for the players that have bought it

fuck you bungie

sure its a live service title and i agree that some services may discontinue

but im not talking no game modes or anythting at all

thats a fully paid content

30 bucks

[latent kestrel]

I dont even care that it was fully paid content, considering they went base F2P in Shadowkeep. I'm just bummed that all that story content was taken away, so new players had to deal with that shitty ass New Light experience

[pale gale]

They dont even shelve it, they just straight up delete it like they dont even think about it

[rapid whale]

waitiwaitwait what

[pale gale]

then why even put it in the first place why not give it out for free

[rapid whale]

so in XIV terms it's like they just up and deleted ARR thru stormblood or osmething?

[pale gale]

yep

[latent kestrel]

Basically

[pale gale]

basically

[rapid whale]

thats fucking wild

[pale gale]

the start of the destiny 2 story till forsaken

[pale gale]

destiny 2 base story was good

it aint even bad

[latent kestrel]

They used the excuse that the game was getting too big to manage and essentially deleted all of Year 1, and most of Y2 (minus the Dreaming City, but thats just cause the Last Wish raid is there)

[pale gale]

but it set up for the curse of osiris

[latent kestrel]

I actually enjoyed the Red War campaign, the problem with Vanilla D2 was just that, once it was done, there was nothing to fucking do xD

[pale gale]

yeah

i mean its a good stuff for the new players to get into destiny 2

i remember vividly playing that all day then boom i bought the CoO

[latent kestrel]

Cause Bungie made the decision to make all guns in Y1 as set rolls instead of random rolls, so there was no grind for aspirational loot. Once you had a gun, you had all there was to the gun

[pale gale]

The computer shops were filled with destiny 2 players

i had made alot of friends there irl

[pale gale]

destiny 1 had random rolls for normal categories right?

[latent kestrel]

I think so? I never played D1, never had a Playstation or XBox when that game came out

[pale gale]

i played it on the ps3 with the taken king dlc

still got a copy

just no ps3

[latent kestrel]

Yeah, I dunno sadly

[pale gale]

destiny 1 is the complete package for the most part

unironically

has more stuff to do rn

[latent kestrel]

Still just bummed about Destiny. So I'll sink time into this final update as a last hurrah to a franchise I love, and then move on with my life to other games... ironically, like FF14 xD

[pale gale]

Nah im not playing since they removed forsaken

i think it was 2021

[latent kestrel]

If I hear news about a D3, then all the better, but until then, fuck Bungie

[latent kestrel]

I mean, thats fair

[pale gale]

i doubt

they have to put their shit on marathon or its bye bye bungie

[latent kestrel]

So do I at this point, but I have at least a little hopium left in me

[pale gale]

but at that point just let the study die

[true beacon]

Destiny at least seemed interesting

When you still had the Cosmodrome start

[latent kestrel]

Oh, the New Light experience starts you in the Cosmodrome now actually xD

[pale gale]

destiny 2 had that on destiny 1 just sliced up some parts

no more peter dinklage

not that he was good

[true beacon]

Yeah see

I watched maybe a couple hours of a D1 LP

And stopped

[pale gale]

if you are interested you can emulate destiny 1 in the pc

[true beacon]

When it came out, mind

[latent kestrel]

I'm still bummed that so much Story and Lore in Destiny is going completely unknown or unanswered now that Bungie has decided they're killing the series

[pale gale]

lol

[pale gale]

the darkness won

we enter the loop

traveller died for nothing

not that i cared about the lore

[true beacon]

What year did D1 come out

[latent kestrel]

Ironically, we discover that the Darkness isn't actually evil, its just a Force of Nature, like the Light. There is just the Witness, an entity wielding the Darkness, that is Evil

[pale gale]

thats the issue as well

[pale gale]

2013

it was the game for the new ps4 and xbox one but they still have ps3 and xbox 360 ports

[true beacon]

Yeah I was still playing Black Ops 2 then

[pale gale]

i was playing bf4 on my pc

[true beacon]

Then Advanced Warfare came out in 2014

[pale gale]

ngl, i like the multiplayer in advance warfare

[true beacon]

Oh it was fun

[latent kestrel]

Lol, I'll have to play different games now, cause no FPS game is gonna match Destiny's Gunplay and Gameplay for me anymore. Oh well, cant win them all

[true beacon]

I got to like Master Prestige 8

[pale gale]

actually the futuristic cod era has the most fun out of those games

[true beacon]

Black Ops 3 the absolute goat

[pale gale]

movement mattered, theres actually skill gaps, like map knowledge

no campers

most of the weapons are balanced

[true beacon]

Well

Depends on the map

[pale gale]

except that

[true beacon]

Well

[pale gale]

one tiny exception

sbmm was there

but it wasnt bad as it was in mw2 and mw3

[true beacon]

AW had the BAL-27 Obsidian Steed and the ASM1 Speakeasy

[pale gale]

ive always accepted the fact that cod has unbalanced weapons no matter what

its the lobbies im more worried about

oh my god my chair is gonna be delivered next week

fuck it ill go to sleep

[flat axle]

It was actually kinda fun! We made it all the way to ifrit in one hour of trying, people where chill, and and there was one guy in there that was teaching us the mechanics it’s not as bad as it sounds

[latent kestrel]

Hell yeah, might have to keep an eye out this weekend then

[rapid whale]

older ultimates get clowned on a lot but they are still ultimates at the end of the day

the pace is quicker than most savage, althugh they might not be as complex as the more modern ones

[deep gale]

If you can clear a current savage tier uwu is easy to casually prog through

It's the "easiest" but its also a very whatever fight especially nowadays

It was a nice stepping stone up to longer content when every fourth floor was a door boss in endwalker but nowadays m8s is longer and m4s was a similar length if not longer iirc

[flat axle]

Yeah just hop in on a practice, people will love to have you. Keep doing the practice runs and eventually you gonna complete it, hopefully I get mine done in a week

[flat axle]

Even looking at the video it has tones more mechanics then I expected

[latent kestrel]

Best of luck!

[rapid whale]

yea getting ulti clears is mostly a matter of patience in my exp

if u got the time to dedicate to it you'll get it

[raven prawn]

just you wait for kefka ultimate coming next week i think

[sinful brook]

Big thing about Ultimates is waiting for the right combination of 8 clowns to get you to where you want to practice

[flat axle]

I wanna do that one but I wanna do them in order starting with the easier ones

These ults gonna keep me occupied trying to complete them all until next expasion

Also realized I would not like to heal in this content, I’ll just stick to dps seems like the easiest role to play

[spice path]

I have refused ultis even tho savage for me has been pretty good. I just dont feel like have 1000s of pulls before clearing, the time sync too much.
And even if I do I'll never do Kafka. I hate clowns. Everytime the raid comes up in roulette I either have to leave or have a panic attack the whole time.

[remote gate]

doing enuo ex has made me come to the conclusion that the fight is slop. it's better than zeromus but thats not much of an improvement

was trying to cleae last night but the whm kept moving put of position for the wild charges and it made me tilted

[rapid whale]

1000s is a bit much

i mean i say that but i know ppl with ove 3k pulls of fru and not cleared

[spice path]

Enuo is pretty simple. Have had an easier time with consistency of the parties then doomtrain.

[rapid whale]

o i was wrong it was 2000 pulls

but yeah

ultimates are by and large a matter of commitment

[amber fable]

2k pulls just to see P3?

[rapid whale]

smile

[spice path]

I almost was ready to jump off a cliff during m8s because I hit 600 pulls (most of them were wipes at decay so it wasnt deep in, but still). 100+ and lots later in fight would end me.

[rapid whale]

the omega protocol p6

anyone dies and it's simply over

[spice path]

I would kms lol

I was so happy to have a static for 9-12. Proved to myself I really didn't suck. M8s had me thinking I was terrible even tho I wasn't the one messing up most of the time.

[rapid whale]

pf is pf

[random needle]

m11s in PF is a madhouse

... Hell, all of them are. The number of enrages I saw trying to clear m9 was off the chain

[rapid whale]

at a certain point you just accept pf is a gacha game and you are just rolling dice to see if you get a party that can clear/prog or you get frustrated by it and quit raiding

well, raiding in pf

[stray forge]

https://tenor.com/view/old-people-pressing-buttons-old-people-gambling-old-people-gif-7532496304787656770

[raven prawn]

Pretty sure going into PF with a "ok 5 tries, then we go next" that way you dont get gulagged since its not a static lol

[latent kestrel]

Can I mention how much I despise Google Searches sometimes? Looking up info on Ultimate Mechanics and the first thing I get is Overgear trying to sell me a Piloted Carry

Like I just wanna read more about the mechanics! I dont want to pay money for someone else to do this sorta thing!

[rapid whale]

What region do you play on. If na, just use naur

[latent kestrel]

NAUR, gotcha. I am NA, so that actually does help

[random needle]

Make up a guy: guy who uses LLMs to learn how ult mechanics work

[flat axle]

Does smn get more fun at lv 100?

[zealous meteor]

training a neural network to clear a savage raid

[spice path]

I herd about people hitting m9s enrage and that was when I knew I did the right thing getting a static. Only saw enrage once on our 5th ish pull, and cleared on our 7th. Day 4. We cleared the whole thing in 5 weeks. Half the time it took to even do 1-4 in pf, but also only 9h a week instead of 12h a day.

[zealous meteor]

kill

[latent kestrel]

My fiancee is almost lvl 100 SMN, she has fun with it, but I guess it depends on what you like

[zealous meteor]

no

your rotation is mostly set in stone by lv30

[random needle]

Summoner is... I'd say you have basically the whole core of your job at 70 and all the extras at 90. It doesn't significantly change from 90 to 100

[zealous meteor]

and there are no meaningful changes between 90 and 100

[latent kestrel]

I prefer Melee DPS anyways, and I just ended up gravitating to Reaper. Its why its my main class XD

[random needle]

So depends on where you're at in the leveling process. If you're still pushing up to 70, give it time. If you're between 70-90, you might reconsider. If you're at 90+ and not having fun, Solar Bahamut is not going to change that

[zealous meteor]

by lv58 your burst turns you into a phys ranged, and after that the only significant change is the astral flow abilities at lv86

so honestly if you're above lv60 and don't like SMN, you will never like it

[flat axle]

Ahhh so it stays the same, I guess I’ll level it then and try it cause it’s not bad

Very flashy

[rapid whale]

do /petsize all small if they get in the way of seeing mechanics

[random needle]

If you want to get silly with it, /petsize all large

[raven prawn]

is there a way to giga size them, pokemon style?

need to gigamax all the summons

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/connecting-plug-in--k01KS8E5PNYQ0BJYJ9B1V8753MD

[random needle]

I mean, look at how big Demi-Bahamut is compared to the summoner in that pic

You can't exactly dynamax them, but they're huge like that

[raven prawn]

ITS NOT BIG ENOUGH. if it doesnt take up half the arena, i wouldnt be happy lol

[random needle]

It's already concerning enough for me sometimes seeing Esteem or a Queen Automaton standing in the bad lmao

[latent kestrel]

Good lord, Titan's fat ass already takes up a huge portion of the arena at Medium XD

[raven prawn]

MUST TAKE UP THE ENTIRE SCREEN

no boss

ONLY TITAN AND BAHAMUT

[latent kestrel]

Must be overwhelmed by the Titan Booty XD

[wheat bolt]

then there’s me, playing summoner because I heard it was the easiest class

give me easy, I suck

[latent kestrel]

I mean, a legitimate reason to play a job, tbf

[valid solar]

for no specific reason whats your ign

[random needle]

It is, dw

[flat axle]

That’s kinda funny you said that when I was doing UWU the summoners damn bahamut kept blocking my screen😂

[latent kestrel]

I believe whatever you set Pet Size to affects party members too

[loud nymph]

yes, it's a client side setting

[random needle]

Just roll your GCD and use stuff on cooldown and no one gets hurt

[loud nymph]

so it affects all SMN pets on your screen

[queen raft]

What level does the WHM lily unlock?

[loud nymph]

regardless of you, your party members, random people you encounter in the overworld, etc

[latent kestrel]

Lol, I need to go set Summoner Pet size to small when I log on later. Losing where my Character is cause a Summoner summoned Titan is so annoying xD

[wheat bolt]

technically I’m also leveling up white mage at the same time (I’m going through the msq right now, just finished endwalker), but I save all of the trials for my summoner

I wouldn’t want to waste msq exp

[loud nymph]

We need a setting above large for /petsize

[random needle]

Healing lillies (Afflatus Solace) are... Lv52 or 54 iirc. The damaging one (Afflatus Misery) is 74, and the AOE heal (Afflatus Rapture) is 76

[loud nymph]

I need a chunkier boi

[latent kestrel]

I'm waiting for my fiancee to finish ShB atm, so I've just been farming Extreme Trials for Mounts

[flat axle]

I need to do that asap cause I could not see sometimes when we was crap together

[queen raft]

But I'm level 53 and the lily gauge hasn't unlocked yet

[wheat bolt]

my husband won’t touch the game even though he loved WoW back in the day ;-;

I can’t get him to play

[random needle]

Have you been doing your job quests

[latent kestrel]

She doesnt always wanna play, been playing more Modded Minecraft then anything these days, but still demands I wait for her to finish ShB before I do Endwalker .-.

[queen raft]

The last job quest I did was the level 50 quest and I haven't gotten a notification about another one

[latent kestrel]

So I've just been farming Mounts and Gil, and debating progging UWU or UCoB

[wheat bolt]

leave her behind

[random needle]

It's not even showing on your MSQ tracker?

(also just to be clear, you're on your main or you're in HW MSQ or later right)

[queen raft]

Alt and still in ARR

[random needle]

There ya go then

[latent kestrel]

Nah, its fine. I'll farm the stuff. My Reaper is already lvl 100 anyways, and a friend crafted iLVL 770 gear for my RPR since it was the first class I got to 100

[random needle]

Can't do the later job quests without being in that expac

(this doesn't apply to new jobs from those expacs though, which is a little odd but w/e)

[queen raft]

Oh

[random needle]

Gotta start HW for the next WHM quests to open, then you can get those done

[queen raft]

sigh the road to 90 exp boost is confusing the hell out of me

I've overleveled and not even in ARR post MSQ yet

[latent kestrel]

Yeah, main reason they lock off those job quests is a bunch take you to the Expac Zones I Believe

[queen raft]

Tbf this is my first time replaying the game without buying a level skip

[latent kestrel]

I know the Dragoon Job Quests in SB take you into those zones, so that's just an issue with the way its structured

[old bone]

Hes gonna wait for me to do story

[random needle]

Road to 90 is super useful for leveling alt jobs, but yeah it's kinda weird for MSQ since you'll outpace it so fast

[latent kestrel]

Calm down, hun XD

[latent kestrel]

Fair enough

[old bone]

No

I’ve been told I can play anytime I feel like it

Not play 24/7

[queen raft]

I have a feeling I'm gonna end up at heavensward's level cap before reaching heavensward

[latent kestrel]

Its lvl 60, so youre closing in on that XD

[raven prawn]

thats very normal, ive been 6 to 8 levels above every expansion lol

[latent kestrel]

I mean, my main Job is lvl 100, and I havent even started Endwalker, let alone Dawntrail XD

[random needle]

(I will also say, for those still on their first character, these subjects are maybe better suited to #beginner-lounge . This channel is (meant to be) more focused on Lv100 content and current high-end discussion, which inherently means full MSQ spoilers abound here. Things do get off topic sometimes of course, but I also don't want someone in HW to come in asking for advice and seeing someone talk about the ending)

[rapid whale]

you have about 2-3 jobs worth of EXP in the msq

2 normally, 3 assuming you are doing your roulettes

and yeah if you see spoilers in this channel that's on you

[loud nymph]

rosebud was his sled

[amber fable]

I had 5 jobs at max level when i reached ew msq end

[random needle]

And there was, in fact, a cane from Citizen Kane

[amber fable]

If you're overleveleing then level up different roles while at it

[queen raft]

Oh the only reason I brought it up here is because of potential spoilers and I had already got one character to end of content

[latent kestrel]

Ok, so I heard he got banned, but what for?

[loud swift]

being a dick head

[valid solar]

he referred to two SE employees as a certain word we dont use anymore while streaming ffxiv

the gamer word

[rapid whale]

who knew calling people slurs publicly was a bad idea

[latent kestrel]

Oh boy...

[zealous meteor]

oh guess i'll remove my macro that calls people white mages

[craggy marsh]

It's funny bc later he was confused like "That words not a slur"

[visual geyser]

The r one?

[craggy marsh]

Ya

that word has been considered a slur for a long ass time

bro lives under a rock

[visual geyser]

Oh really

[jolly flume]

regardless of whether or not it's considered a slur you don't typically go around calling people that without expecting consequences

the categorization is irrelevant

[rapid whale]

i dunno poc dont use n slur publicly on discord because they know that even if they "can" it just causes problems

among friends who know them ya ya

but say here for exdample there are plenty of poc who just, dont use it

[jolly flume]

toby would never

[lost sinew]

i'm so unproblematic i don't even know any of these words. on purpose.

[zealous meteor]

you can reclaim slurs but using them derogatorily isn't reclaiming

[craggy marsh]

it's one of those words where yeah it's not really a "major slur" but you still shouldn't say it

[latent kestrel]

Yeah, cant see a reason he would need that specific word when he could absolutely just call them stupid or something .-.

[rapid whale]

i thought they were also saying transphobic stuff

or was that llama

[jolly flume]

that's the todd

[craggy marsh]

but of course occasionally my friends call eachother that word and we have a good chuckle

[rapid whale]

gotcha im conflating the two

[jolly flume]

I wouldn't be surprised if xeno had that attitude too but w/e

not relevant to the point

[rapid whale]

ye

[latent kestrel]

Between friends is one thing, saying that to other people you dont know or barely know is another

[craggy marsh]

considering he's friends with the guy I wouldn't be shocked tbh

[rapid whale]

what are the chances they have each other as mods on their streams uwu

[latent kestrel]

Pretty high probably

[rapid whale]

but yea main point being like, people know not to use slurs in public spaces "even when they are allowed to"

[craggy marsh]

Ya

[latent kestrel]

Its crazy too, like why is that the first word that pops into his head in a situation?? If a friend of mine is doing something stupid, I call him a dumbass. No r word required

[rapid whale]

so it genuinely ??? me to imagine someone thinking there's nothing wrong doing it on stream, by name, with their social media on stream etc

[visual geyser]

I mean

I know streamers on twitch that use that word so I’m surprised he got banned

But I guess he was attacked employees? Idk

[rapid whale]

ya he did

wuk lamat va and uhh community manager? i forgor the other

[whole estuary]

I still needed someone to tell me that it was somewhat recently

[jolly flume]

the en localization lead

former

[whole estuary]

it doesn't help that people jump at the chance to say "uuuuh can we not do that" instead of even explaining what is wrong

because "you should already know"

[latent kestrel]

Oh yeah, I think I remember his video calling MrHappy names and such because of him calling Xeno out on shit he said on Twitter

It was all about that stuff

[whole estuary]

I asked like 3 times before I got an answer from someone else entirely

[jolly flume]

call people what you want in private I couldn't care less

[zealous meteor]

and mrhappy replying like "yeah i'm doing good. got a big fish coming up soon"

[jolly flume]

funny to use it in a public space with an audience and not expect anything to come of it though

[worn bluff]

the issue is he will never make a genuine attempt to understand how what he said is problematic. he made up his mind before all of this happened and he's not changing it

[latent kestrel]

Yeah, MrHappy gave no fucks about the 'drama'

[craggy marsh]

Ya my b, i'm used to people knowing it already bc I had it drilled into my brain back in elementary school. But thinking about it now I guess it doesn't shock me that there's people who legit don't know

[visual geyser]

What drama

[random needle]

While playing the game, attacking former employees who worked on the game, while openly using visual mods (remember a couple months ago when Twitch beaned him for having nude mods show up on stream)

A lot of that is... by itself, maybe whatever, but when you do it all in public while being one of the most prominent people in the EN community for the game? You're painting targets on yourself and calling airstrikes on your own coordinates

[visual geyser]

Does she even still work at square anymore

Why are people so obsessed with her still lmao

[latent kestrel]

I dont think either do, but Xeno was calling the 2 ppl out and calling them names and using the r slur, MrHappy basically responded with 'grow tf up', Xeno made a whole video about it and MrHappy gave zero fucks about it

Thats the 'drama'

At least as far as I know, I never delved super far into it

[craggy marsh]

Ya it wasn't really drama

[latent kestrel]

It was Xeno trying to drum up clickbait content, and MrHappy just ignoring him XD

[rapid whale]

im convinced they were just doing it to create controversey for views and the ban escalated further than they thought it would and they expected a slap on the wirst

[craggy marsh]

it was a 40 year old man still trying to beef with people he doesn't even know

[jolly flume]

he just felt especially brave that day

shruge

i'm gonna be controversial on twitter today

said many people ever

[craggy marsh]

He's been really strange more than usual ever since Fanfest

it's kinda funny really

The tank stuff really got to him

[jolly flume]

ten bucks he doesn't get invited to media tour

[craggy marsh]

for sure

[jolly flume]

[random needle]

Potentially locking himself out of the UMAD race is especially funny

[latent kestrel]

Oh he is 100% locked out of the UMAD race unless SE undoes his ban for that

[jolly flume]

he's never in contention to actually win the race anyway

he just has to sit in the [word i can't say] chair for two days and watch

[zealous meteor]

would be fucking wild if he still got invited

[zealous meteor]

in the white mage chair...

[true beacon]

He was part of the slam campaign against Kate

[latent kestrel]

Personally, idgaf if he is locked outta UMAD, I think that would be the biggest way to get him to rethink things... hit him with a ban that prevents him from farming content on his stream

[true beacon]

I doubt he’s invited again

[random needle]

In the WAR OT chair

[visual geyser]

Ohhh he got banned from ffxiv?

[true beacon]

Yeah

[visual geyser]

I thought he got banned from twitch lmao

[craggy marsh]

for a few days to a week

[true beacon]

Pulled out of M11

[random needle]

I'm allowed to send the clip right

[visual geyser]

Well yea no shit he got banned

[true beacon]

I think it’s 14 days now

[visual geyser]

I thought he got banned off twitch

[craggy marsh]

oh 14 days

[true beacon]

And after the 14 days it’s permanent

[latent kestrel]

Probably wouldnt be the first time if he was as well

[visual geyser]

Because twitch doesn’t really give a fuck about you saying the r word

[zealous meteor]

i hope he doesn't get invited because inviting someone who calls your employees slurs is kinda fucked

[visual geyser]

Which is why I was confused

[latent kestrel]

Twitch undoes those bans and suspensions all the time

[zealous meteor]

is the smile part of the stream

[latent kestrel]

Even if they are ex-employees, they were still part of your brand and content, so I agree with them slapping him with the ban

[random needle]

....................... yes

[true beacon]

Kate is part of the core translation team, no?

[jolly flume]

was

[true beacon]

Oh I didn’t know she left

[visual geyser]

I mean square enix literally implemted social media policy that says they will ban you for harassing their staff members on social media

So this isn’t surprising at all

[jolly flume]

it's fun watching the defenders on twitter say it violates the first amendment and shit

[zealous meteor]

deserved

[true beacon]

Hahahaha

[latent kestrel]

The best part of this is the music at the end XD Cant say I like the music, but I know there was 'controversy' online about it, so its the only reason I know about it despite not getting there yet

[zealous meteor]

you can be negative as fuck about the game, just don't harass people lmao

[true beacon]

Maybe if it was Sony who’s HQ’d in Cali

But not for that level of harassment

[whole estuary]

SQEX is in Cali

they're right outside the LAX airport

[craggy marsh]

So it's really fucking funny how Americans don't actually know what that Amendment actually means

[jolly flume]

the first amendment doesn't extend to getting banned from a video game via a TOS you agreed to abide by

smile

[true beacon]

Sony’s HQ is in Cali

One of the dumbest moves

[latent kestrel]

Bruh, youre joking right? There is no way people are trying to get him unbanned using the First Amendment! XD

[jolly flume]

americans are some dumb motherfuckers man

[craggy marsh]

Freedom of Speech doesn't protect you from TOS or other shit that you agree to

[true beacon]

Boy we know

[latent kestrel]

Jfc, my brain is not smooth enough to comprehend this shit

[lapis token]

It doesn't protect you from non-government entities either.

[zealous meteor]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

xkcd: Free Speech

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

[craggy marsh]

Ya

[random needle]

We know just enough of the law to be dangerous(ly stupid)

[zealous meteor]

obligatory xkcd

[craggy marsh]

You are free to say whatever you want to say but that doesn't mean you are immune to the consequences

[mighty agate]

wait is the chaos marine getup a mod or a collab I don't know about ?

[stray forge]

there can't possibly be this many ppl who care about what happens to this guy

i refuse to believe it

[true beacon]

Reaction

[stray forge]

[random needle]

I'm 99% sure it's a mod

[latent kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-surprised-pikachu-face-face-gif-15329743

[random needle]

He's been seen using visual mods on stream before

[jolly flume]

his last ban was for whipping out his character's cock on stream

[random needle]

It's also the kind of collab I think I would have heard about if it was official

[jolly flume]

that was a fun one

[mighty agate]

Aren't you supposed to not advertise mods and not talk about it etc ? Was he getting away with it just cuz he's big or because it's only visual or what ?

[stray forge]

this is worse than one of my friends spam post links about some dude called clavicular

[true beacon]

Flashbanged his audience- yeah that

[visual geyser]

wtf

I can’t even link an article

[latent kestrel]

I mean, hasnt YoshiP basically said that as long as you arent using mods that affect the actual gameplay or other people's games, he says whatever? I think I remember that being a thing around that FRU First Clear controversy?

[visual geyser]

wtf is this server man

[whole estuary]

does he play a male or female character

[random needle]

You're not really supposed to, but SE is often on the chiller side as long as you're not being a gigashithead about it

[jolly flume]

male aura

need I say more

[pallid kindle]

at this point he just uses mods on stream very very publicly and its very obvious

[visual geyser]

Brother wtf even is this

[stray forge]

idk but im pretty sure posting this SS is against the rules too

so probably delete it

[zealous meteor]

officially he can't endorse mods. personally he doesn't care, but as producer he would rather you not use them

[mighty agate]

Is there a definition to "actual gameplay" ? Like is using autohook influencing "actual gameplay" ?

[stray forge]

its just going to be "getting around server bots" or something

[loud swift]

what is this violating?

[visual geyser]

Who fucking knows man

Weird ahh server

[zealous meteor]

no definition but most people would say autohook counts as botting

[latent kestrel]

That seems fairer. At the end of the day, many game devs are also gamers themselves, so they understand to a certain extent, but obviously cant endorse it

[jolly flume]

it's not clearly defined, the most clearly defined thing that is binding is in the TOS which is no mods or you're banned

[mighty agate]

Which is clearly not enforced

[pallid kindle]

the domain is againsst the rules

[mighty agate]

shit's confusing

[visual geyser]

If I get shot for posting something SQUARE ENIX implemented than so be it

[jolly flume]

yoship saying we don't give a fuck is not in fact going to fly when the gms pull you in

[pallid kindle]

you cannot post anything using that website

[visual geyser]

What website even is that

[zealous meteor]

yeah

[latent kestrel]

They have no Anti Cheat, so they have no way of really detecting that shit. So just dont actively advertise it, and they cant really STOP you

[pallid kindle]

bounding into comics

the one you posted

[visual geyser]

I’ve never used the website before is it some bigot shit

[jolly flume]

the safest thing you can do is always just respect the TOS

of course I don't do that myself but

[pallid kindle]

idk but they arent very descriptive when they ban anything

[jolly flume]

lol

[mighty agate]

they could have stopped xenos, for one. Clearly and openly using them, that's more what I mean when I say "not enforced"

[visual geyser]

lol

[zealous meteor]

that said, personally, if you use autohook i will laugh at you
especially if it causes you to miss a big fish

[stray forge]

me when i post a random website ive never used in my life

[random needle]

Respect the TOS, but if you don't respect it, at least keep mum about it instead of shouting from the rooftops

[craggy marsh]

Ya

[latent kestrel]

Oh 100% they could have stopped Xeno, considering he actively shows that shit and advertises it. But considering how big of a name he is, I imagine they probably let it slide to a certain extent

[visual geyser]

Well yea the domain doesn’t matter I only care about the lines directly from square themselves

https://www.inverse.com/gaming/final-fantasy-14-toxicity-square-enix-harassment-policy

[craggy marsh]

look, everyone here has broken TOS in some way but we don't go parading it around

[stray forge]

I do

[visual geyser]

Good for u

[loud nymph]

speak for yourself

[zealous meteor]

i would never break the terms of service

[random needle]

You will see Mordion Gaol in seven days

[mighty agate]

I'm too autistic about rules for this shit, whatever

[visual geyser]

“Should Square Enix determine that an individual has engaged in an action against one of our employees or partners that exceeds socially acceptable behavior or is harmful, we reserve our right to cease providing support services or to refrain from providing our group's products and services,” the policy, shared on January 10, reads. “Where such action is egregious or with malicious intent, Square Enix reserves its right to protect its employees and partners and to take legal action or criminal proceedings upon consulting the police and/or lawyers.”

I think going on a twitter rant and then doing it again on stream would count?

[stray forge]

I break it 20x a day come at me

[craggy marsh]

I would never ask my cousin for help with having better ping

[loud nymph]

I will stand on top of a mountain and yell about how often I break this stupid game's ToS

y'know, if I actually, like

felt like climbing a mountain

[clear plume]

this wasnt even xenos first suspension for off platform behaviour so idk why hes all hypey about it setting a bad precedent, shits been the precedent

[latent kestrel]

too much effort

[stray forge]

sorry who is xeno again?

[loud nymph]

exactly

[loud nymph]

some banned bald baby

[visual geyser]

Talking about precedent when it was a legitimate rule change from square is funny

[latent kestrel]

a dumbfuck who has no filter

[loud nymph]

sorry wait let me amend that

[dusk sky]

Clout chase content creator

[loud nymph]

banned bald baby offtank

[craggy marsh]

it really is a classic case of off tank mentality

[true beacon]

The amount of ego to get all pissy at that is inane

[latent kestrel]

Bro, every time I see him in my YT feed using YoshiP's face in a thumbnail modified to look angry cause he's about to advertise some Mod, I just move on to some other video

[dusk sky]

🅱️ald 🅱️fftank

[loud nymph]

the youtube algorithm has, blessedly, not recommended me his stuff

[versed kayak]

I guess if you have to keep asking it identifies you as part of the out-group, which is kinda silly because it'll include most non-native english speakers (that dont happen to be on social media constantly)

[mighty agate]

The only thing I know about him is that he somehow managed to squeeze 4h out of what little we've seen of evolved combat

[proven pivot]

Is dalamud down

[latent kestrel]

You're lucky man. I think I accidentally clicked into one of his videos while trying to select something else, and now they keep giving me his vids

[dusk sky]

YouTube’s “don’t recommend me this channel” isn’t very good

[craggy marsh]

ya

they find a way to creep it into your feed again

[latent kestrel]

Every
Damn
Time

[loud nymph]

well the problem is people have like 8 different channels

so even if the algorithm does listen to your "don't recommend me this channel", it will just throw some fucker's "this shitty guy's clips" channel at you instead

[mighty agate]

There's a browser addon to remove youtube shorts

would recommend !

[loud nymph]

but if I remove youtube shorts how will I watch cat videos

[latent kestrel]

I don’t mind Shorts, I often scroll that shit when I’m bored

[lapis token]

Even on a clean-slate profile, you accidentally click one thing and it gets tons of similars recommended to you

[true beacon]

Would be a sad day without

https://tenor.com/view/rin-penrose-vtuber-e-sekai-gif-2190306161720511623

[mighty agate]

you win some, you lose some

[loud nymph]

or the fire department chronicles guy

I love his shorts

[true beacon]

Or the blacksmith guy

[latent kestrel]

Didn’t they just rebrand or something?

[true beacon]

Yeah

[latent kestrel]

I think I remember that short coming across my feed too actually

[dusk sky]

More just redebut for their new model

[craggy marsh]

"Fire rescue, someone call for help?"

[latent kestrel]

Now the thing I really love bombarding my feed are the MoreParz shorts. Those kill me xD

[craggy marsh]

Love that guy

[true beacon]

https://youtu.be/PnTnk5bFSG4?si=sZ1XOqE1HUQUT3St

[true beacon]

“Tactical Assault Turkey”

[craggy marsh]

I like youtube shorts when they are actually shorts and not just....whole ass 4 minute videos in a vertical format

[true beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cassowary-kick-attack-gif-27328569

[latent kestrel]

That is still, to this day, one of my favourite shorts of his for that line alone

[zealous meteor]

that's rin penrose 1

we got a sequel

[latent kestrel]

Doesn’t matter how many times I hear it, it makes me laugh

[true beacon]

It is

That’s why I posted Rin Penrose 2

https://tenor.com/view/rin-penrose-rin-penrose-2-vtuber-rin-penrose-spin-spin-gif-9179822810589732517

[stray forge]

kinda fate stay night ass name is rin penrose

[mighty agate]

bri'ish

[latent kestrel]

Bro thinks other people gonna get banned because of hate watchers 🤣🤣

[loud nymph]

"oh no, not the consequences of my actions :("

[latent kestrel]

How could I possibly receive punishment for terrible things i said about SE employees on a public platform?!

[true beacon]

And actors too

[visual geyser]

https://www.inverse.com/gaming/final-fantasy-14-toxicity-square-enix-harassment-policy be explicitly broke this rule lol

[latent kestrel]

Nah I know, I’m laughing at him being a dumbass and trying to rally people behind him when everyone with more than half a brain cell can tell he deserved it and brought it on himself

[zealous meteor]

literally 1984

[jolly flume]

well

there's a lot of people who don't meet the criteria of having more than hafl a brain cell

is the problem

[latent kestrel]

Fair point

[loud nymph]

what's that old Carlin quote

think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of em are stupider than that

[random needle]

... I mean, if you want to be persnickety, it'd be the median person, not the average person

[loud nymph]

I mean, sure, but that isn't the quote

take it up with George Carlin

[worn bluff]

a very large portion of twitch viewers have no problem with bigotry or toxicity. just look at who are the top streamers

[latent kestrel]

True

[worn bluff]

plus you have a bunch of streamers who aren't toxic themselves but still associate with those people because deep down they really only care about the money and follower count

so they'll just say they're "chill/no drama" and never speak out against toxicity

[wicked delta]

Chill! Cozy vibes! Meanwhile there are some Creatures in their chat that they don’t ban

[craggy marsh]

Reminds me of how that one XIV person on twitter said he has no issues playing with problematic people if they're good at the game

[wicked delta]

Isn’t that just the raiding community as a whole tho

[craggy marsh]

forgot their name

[wicked delta]

That guy was just bold enough to say it

[craggy marsh]

Playing with problematic people just doesn't sit right with me man idc how good they are at the game

[wicked delta]

But a lot of raiders got allegations (doesnt have to be criminal necessarily) surrounding them and their parties fill anyway lol

[latent kestrel]

I feel like there are alot in raiding communities like that, but just as many people out there just want people they can vibe with to raid as well

Doesnt matter what game it is

[wicked delta]

Im sure theres more folks who are just normal

But I also cant pretend people actually gaf about anyone who is problematic

As long as they play good

Most don’t care

Hell you don’t even have to be good

Sometimes if you’re just funny you get people in your PFs

Even if you’re notoriously a shitter (WK)

[craggy marsh]

Joining WK just to see how unhinged they are

[latent kestrel]

I mean, you can say this sorta thing about alot of different things. Like I was just complaining earlier about how google pushes Piloted Carry Services when I try and look up stuff about Ultimates and Savages, but I'm sure there are plenty of people using them considering they havent gone out of business yet

Obviously different scenario, but still

lots of people do shit that they would otherwise say they dont

[wicked delta]

Well yeah but there’s a difference between that I think

[latent kestrel]

Nah, I fully admit to that

Not the best example, but the only one my fried ass brain could come up with

[wicked delta]

People who buy piloted clears aren’t necessarily going around bragging about how they bought their clears

They hide it

[craggy marsh]

They just want the glam

[latent kestrel]

Or the title, or both

[craggy marsh]

Even though they could just use glamourer

[wicked delta]

Because they know its embarrassing to admit that you’re such a shitter you had to spend money in order to clear content lol

[craggy marsh]

But they want other people to see their weapon despite them not actually earning it

[latent kestrel]

Its the prestige status of the Title and everyone seeing the Weapon, thats it