Been away for 3 years, looking to maybe pickup savage raiding.
Is there a glut of dps players in savage PF like in regular content? Would rather switch to dps from healer so deaths whilst learning are less impactful on a group.
#endgame-lounge
narrow python
rapid whale
we are currently 2 weeks away from the brand new ultimate
as in, savage is no longer the premier content
so your experience would likely be long wait times for parties to fill, along with the player quality being lower than average
unfortunately if you wanted to participate in the new ultimate you'd also have to clear the tier and get gear which is unfortunately impossible to get the tomes required in just 2 weeks
jolly flume
if you aren't dying on healer someone else will be
I wouldn't think about that bit too hard
narrow python
even if i just wanted to do random old ultimate/savage stuff just for the sake of it though
rapid whale
Old ultimate and savage is already kind of not really done in pf, especially older savages, but with the upcoming ultimate they will be even more dead once that's out
narrow python
yeah, makes sense. i guess for statics then
if they can be called statics if they're doing old stuff?
rapid whale
They probably exist but you'd have to be looking for them
Yeah there's a few people in here that participate in old content statics
dull drum
if they can be called statics if they're doing old stuff?
static doesnt necessarily mean they have to be doing new content its just a term for organized groups
rapid whale
There's also something the community calls "awktrail" (IDK why) where they wear bits and pieces of gear (think only boots and a weapon) to simulate on-patch strength but with your full level 100 kit
flat axle
Is black mage a lot easier to play now then before in high end content? I remember before you needed to play the fight very well to bring a black mage in
sleek moon
Yeah it has shorter cast times, AF/UI doesn't fall off, lots of movement tools
rapid whale
iirc despair is also instant cast now too
flat axle
Dang I’m about to switch to it then, I was gonna main tank but always liked black mage but did not play it cause of how hard it was to play before
jolly flume
and even your long casts aren't full casts anymore
jade nimbus
Can't wait for evolved to turn all magical dps cast bars except for 1 big skill
flat axle
When did they change this? Is it recently? I’m trying to find a guide to it but wanna looks for one with these changes.
jade nimbus
(This is a joke btw)
rapid whale
When did they change this? Is it recently? I’m trying to find a guide to it but ...
jut use the balance iirc they always keep it up to date
thin fox
wtf why does this fate have its own art
pallid kindle
cause its special
tulip anvil
cus its the special collab fate
pallid kindle
ff11
tulip anvil
final fantasy XI
pallid kindle
thats the ff11 logo
thin fox
they just putting bs in the game sometimes
sleek moon
all collab events that have fates will have its own art
you can get some drip from that one
boreal pumice
its the iroha event
visual geyser
Can't wait for evolved to turn all magical dps cast bars except for 1 big skill
Fax
Ice phase is gonna be all instacast lol
zealous meteor
<@&100464652139368448>
free money,,,
damn they took our free money
i just wanted to share with the mods 
loud nymph
noo my beast bux 🙁
tall field
@.@?
rapid whale
they rly didnt want sam to get banned
zealous meteor
how nice of them
vestal hollow
one day i'll go "@mods hey free money" and they'll ban me by accident
cleave will get you
tall field
Ice phase is gonna be all instacast lol
I want blota pve ngl
I will actually use warrior in dgs to see the funni things
random needle
in p4sp2 blind
get to act 4
come up with the dumbest, cheesiest mario kart strat imaginable that barely makes it in time
look up PF strat after raid night ends
it's exactly the same. we did the exact same thing as PF.
sleek moon
i mean there's no other logical way to break those tethers unless yo do like N->S, and that would make people run twice as far
shy obsidian
i don't think we're facing the right way
trim frost
doesnt matter
worn bluff
get IN FRONT of me m'lady
shy obsidian
so uh
i got all my crafting gear maxed out so uh
should I stockpile on crafting scrips
jade nimbus
For what?
limpid edge
i should play DRK more
the love-hate relationship w/ tbn popping (or not) is entertaining
shy obsidian
For what?
Too Cold :)
i wanna scripmaxx so
maxed out orange scrips
and maxed out ourples crips for MOAR orange scrips
jade nimbus
oh, no, sorry, I just meant that there won't be more crafted stuff this expac
shy obsidian
well I already maxed out all my crafting gear soooooooooooo
tepid briar
bro people so cheap
"buying 2k math tomes for 300k" you know yollal extract is 8k each right
worn bluff
they lowball to try and catch lazy people
jade nimbus
Btw any ff11 head in here? I got a question
rapid whale
"buying 2k math tomes for 300k" you know yollal extract is 8k each right
math hard
rapid whale
Btw any ff11 head in here? I got a question
like current? or in the past
dapper zealot
just need another 4 obscurum relics to finish them all
jade nimbus
like current? or in the past
At the moment. Is the subscription days based, or based on how much you play?
rapid whale
i dont play atm but i would imagine it's days based
afaik playtime is a very rare model maybe only in china where thats rly a thing
jade nimbus
cause I was able to log in and play without a sub, which is what confuses me, ngl
sonic helm
Is anyone else scared to reenter the savage game or just me?
Was in my savage prime 2 years ago, even ran Ultima
But nooow?
fossil marsh
Yo guys, what the crafting potions used rn
dapper zealot
@zealous meteor smh not here for the ff11 question, fake ff11 lover
dapper zealot
Yo guys, what the crafting potions used rn
cunning craftsman tisane
fossil marsh
cunning craftsman tisane
tysm ♥
jade nimbus
Also the other question is which server to go for since it seems the main 3 ones are congested
dapper zealot
knotty plover
if you want to quickly level, dynamis is the way to go, especially since many of the worlds are preferred. but bear in mind that until region wide access happens, it can be difficult finding people for various duties
dapper zealot
tepid briar
damn we almost had a good 11 clear
we 1-pulled 9 and 10 though... or maybe 2 pulled 10 I forgot
it lowkey feels harder to get good numbers on 9 and 10 though -_-
valid solar
your 10 parse is pretty dependent on how good the tanks are at keeping the bosses together and how good you are at spending resources on AoE without screwing over your burst
tepid briar
your 10 parse is pretty dependent on how good the tanks are at keeping the bosse...
I think 9 and 10 just have higher standards for dps ig
whm m10 22.8k = 59, m11 21.6k = 75
m10 was right at reset tho idk if that affects it
oh wait, m10 has two bosses that's right
not sure if xivanalysis does dia uptime properly for both bosses
versed kayak
might be easier to check it on fflogs because then you can see it per boss
thin tartan
fierce matrix
I always love seeing the Unknown 01
tepid briar
might be easier to check it on fflogs because then you can see it per boss
thank you
rapid whale
I think 9 and 10 just have higher standards for dps ig
thats just cleave no
finite plank
it's cleave
wicked delta
I learned something about myself recently
I play better when I don’t have ACT open
Maybe it’s because I stop glancing over obsessing over how much damage im doing. Idk
versed kayak
sounds reasonable
wicked delta
I stop giving a shit and I get purple barse like 
versed kayak
also imo not really that interesting mid pull anyway
amber fable
Man m10 clears are so cursed
Legit would have wiped and we cleared lmao
3 people left on pyro with boss at 1%
Legit enrage feel
wicked delta
Yes
kind elm
"hmm i need to afk cooking training and fish isnt up for 2 hours i will join wing farms"
shes a fucking moron chat
wicked delta
also imo not really that interesting mid pull anyway
Tge only time I check now is if we’re enraging with like 1 death
Otherwise I just tell myself to not look
I can’t wait to play melee on EU I could get away with Midas level greed
wicked delta
I remember streaming some Arcadion normals to my bf and I got away with some actual bullshit
He kept being like “how the fuck are you doing that”
Im European bitch 
versed kayak
I think this is still my fav
I don't do it anymore because it's kinda cursed, but hey
oh right discord uses the file name for the spoiler tag, blergh
wicked delta
I think this is still my fav
POV you are plugged into the servers
Thats the shit I was doing lol
robust shoal
versed kayak
M8S just has very fucky snapshots
wicked delta
Clips that will immediately send you to FFXIV jail
lyric summit
i kinda wonder if they show fake telegraphs to go with the fight fantasy of like high paced dodging everything by a hair
versed kayak
you can't dodge much later I can tell you that from experience
millisecond later and you will get hit
but maybe, m8s has a lot of telegraph "snapshots" that don't really line up (or it feels that way at least)
amber fable
Omen snapshot before cast for me
So i have to move before the cast fills up
Makes it looks like I am intentionally going inside aoe
loud nymph
I think this is still my fav
I love this clip so much
remote gate
friend convinced me to do tea again and now I have the motivation to do tea
when it comes to sharing your nisi, its clockwise right (or whoever is right to the person who doesnt have a nisi)
valid solar
close your eyes and walk to the first person you see
remote gate
flat axle
Which role is harder healer or tank for ultimate?
lyric summit
barrier healer
but it kinda depends on the fight/phase tbf
like there's zero healing in DSR up to p6
you just deploy critlo on every mechanic and afk
never tanked an ult but I imagine its the same, invuln the buster and afk for some phases, vs have dedicated tank mechs that are your personal responsibility in others like again dsr p6 busters or towers in fru final phase
amber fable
Supports have more responsibility in general
flat axle
Ok I’ll main tank then, I don’t wanna get mega stress while healing
trim frost
have fun with boss positioning :)
flat bane
Reddit
was trying to do my tell retell for the week and huh
definitely one of the convos of all time (I was on PLD)
lyric summit
i aint reading all that but happy for you or sorry that happened
flat bane
i aint reading all that but happy for you or sorry that happened
tldr nothing burger argument that went on for long enough for the party to disband before we do retell
its like that one gif of kermit typing
flat bane
valid
flat axle
have fun with boss positioning :)
Why is that stressful?😩
flat axle
i just said have fun with boss positioning
Oh so it’s fun and chill then to play as tank in ultimates? Just gonna move the boss a bit and I can relax the whole fight?
random needle
I mean, you have an easier rotation than the DPS, and they're the ones more likely to eat shit if you don't mit properly to my understanding
lyric summit
you have to plan your mit to account for all the busters and your cotank job since they have different invuln cd's
wicked delta
Oh so it’s fun and chill then to play as tank in ultimates? Just gonna move the ...
You’re basically chilling until you get a phase like DSR P6 where the torture demon comes to torture you specifically
In most ultimates you’re a glorified blue dps with mit though
lyric summit
but usually your local ult discord plans it out and you follow the sheet
wicked delta
In early weeks its harder bc theres no dedicated mit plan
But later there is a mit plan and once you follow that then you really are chilling lol
worn bluff
sometimes PF just takes the first mit plan to come out and then that becomes the default forever
while NAUR crashes out trying to make PF use theirs
random needle
I remember a few people mentioning the default NAUR mit plan for DSR having a horrible use of... I think it was Equilibrium or Thrill of Battle in p6?
flat axle
So it seems like tank is deff the easiest role for ultimate, I’ll bring that in then as my first class
Maybe I’ll take in the gunbreaker or pali torn between those two
random needle
don't play war 4head
This is just good advice in general
sinful brook
i would say dps is probably easier in ults
wicked delta
The earliest role in any ultimate is always melees
sinful brook
there's just nothing you do other than hit buttons
wicked delta
Easiest
sinful brook
and the mechanics everyone else is doing too
wicked delta
Prange/casters usually get thrown to the wolves to do baiting and shit but melees literally just sit there and act pretty
sinful brook
like for dsr the only unique extra thing is soaking autos in p7
wicked delta
Not to mention that most ultimate mechs require everyone to do the same shit
random needle
My buddy who was progging FRU recently mentioned that caster felt utterly braindead there, but I think thats because strats were designed Pictomancer relative? Or maybe he was exaggerating, idk
worn bluff
R2 has the least flexing to do yes
sinful brook
r2 and h2 usually do the least flexing yeah
random needle
I love casting 
ruby cape
So it seems like tank is deff the easiest role for ultimate, I’ll bring that in ...
FRU would like a word
worn bluff
OT is the hardest role in FRU 
flat axle
don't play war 4head
What’s war 4head?
random needle
I don't think you should be picking a role for an ult based off "what's easiest" tbh
Pick whatever you have the most fun with, whatever you'll feel motivated to keep playing after the 400th straight wipe
random needle
Why is it so easy for melee dps?
In a word: uppies
To actually explain: to make sure as much DPS goes out as possible at all times, melee DPS usually get whatever positions let them stay as close to the boss as possible, while ranged players have to move more and farther
wicked delta
Why is it so easy for melee dps?
Because most strats cater to melees; you want your melees to maximize their uptime
They cant maximize their uptime if you send them to fuck knows where
So casters and phys ranged have to do it in their stead
Meaning melees literally have to do less
flat axle
war = warrior
Why no warrior for ultimates? They suck?
wicked delta
Warrior’s mit sucks
So most of the time to not fucking die you have to beg your cotank to give you mit
flat axle
So casters and phys ranged have to do it in their stead
So besically range gets fucked while all the melee get to chill
Got it
wicked delta
So besically range gets fucked while all the melee get to chill
Yeah
random needle
Warrior's one niche over other tanks in high end is having the shortest cooldown invuln, which sometimes lets them use it on more things than other tanks do
If they don't get that, 💀
sinful brook
the individual mits themselves don't suck that much in relative comparison to the other jobs similar ones
but the fact that you flat out have 1 less mit as a trade-off for a burst heal
is pretty significant in affecting your mitigation plan
flat axle
So most of the time to not fucking die you have to beg your cotank to give you m...
I want my own mit, I’ll stick with the others then
Don’t warriors do like the most dmg or something?
clear plume
Warrior has a second upside right now of having a stronger 1m timer than drk and gnb, especially in phases with downtime, but pld still beats it there
boreal pumice
it has the best self sustain ... in dungeons 
clear plume
Drk isn’t as strong damage wise in ultimates as they are in savage generally for clarity
wicked delta
I don’t have the numbers rn but I think paladins perform best in ults?
clear plume
Depends on the level
War gnb are kings until 90, pld war is best at 90, drk takes the lead at 100 in good groups, war drk in bad groups
Warrior is probably safe to say it is the highest average dps for ultimates though, but not by enough to justify its downsides for the fights it has them, bc for example at fru it’s only about 0.7% dps above current gnb with a 75th percentile parse
Paladin mostly just is the king of ults bc tank damage isn’t why you enrage or not
And an extra party mit and very solid personal mit goes a long way
wicked delta
Yeah that tracks
flat axle
So I should take the pally as my first tank then.
deep gale
In legacy ults damage checks as a whole are a complete joke so it matters even less
flat axle
He sounds very good
amber fable
If you want to chill then play dps
clear plume
Ease of play will matter way more than the optimal job, by and large, even as a hardcore player in a hardcore group I default to an easier job to keep aligned than the “best” job damage wise
deep gale
He sounds very good
Play whichever looks interesting to you, party comp doesn't actually matter unless you're doing speeds, world race, or some other non-standard thing I'm not thinking of. (this doesnt mean don't get the 5% party bonus)
loud nymph
If you want to chill then play dps
if you wanna do nothing in an ultimate play melee in uwu
you do cleanses in p1 then essentially nothing for the entire rest of the fight
deep gale
uwu my favorite black out for 12 minutes fight
flat axle
What is UwU? lol
clear plume
Play the role you already play, wiping to learning a new one will hurt prog more than any mechanical differences
valid solar
What is UwU? lol
ultima weapon ultimate
flat axle
lol
valid solar
in game its called the weapons refrain but the playerbase calls it uwu
limpid edge
ult in 2 weeks?
flat axle
that’s kinda funny I thought yall was just trying to say uuwuu
loud nymph
that's the joke
amber fable
I mean what ult you wanna do anyway
loud nymph
that's why people picked the abbreviation
amber fable
Ultimately it depends on that
boreal pumice
that's why people picked the abbreviation
ASS
flat axle
I was super funny, I was so confused at first😂
amber fable
Asss
flat axle
What is ASS😂
loud nymph
"I learned TOP and the skills that I learned there allowed me to clear ASS and UWU"
boreal pumice
Glutues maxiumus
biggus
flat axle
"I learned TOP and the skills that I learned there allowed me to clear ASS and U...
I’m dying😂
loud nymph
What is ASS😂
Another Sil'dihn Subterrane, criterion dungeon from EW
clear plume
I’d sure hope clearing top gave you the skills to clear uwu
wicked delta
Uwu is too hard bruh
The guy in Gilgamesh Limsa shout chat:
guy told the world hes been progging UWU since release
flat axle
What is TOP?😂
deep gale
uwu is the most difficult fight in the game because I forget what I'm doing and go to bed for the night
clear plume
I’ve formed a top reclear just out of limsa gilg shout chat
We 2 shot it
Some real ass degens in that
loud nymph
What is TOP?😂
The Omega Protocol
Level 90 ultimate raid
arguably the hardest or second hardest ultimate, depending on who you ask
wicked delta
Feliz is in Gilg but im scared of him
flat axle
arguably the hardest or second hardest ultimate, depending on who you ask
Which is the other one?
wicked delta
He probably has like 600 TOP kills atp
flat axle
Hardest
loud nymph
Which is the other one?
DSR
deep gale
Do DSR first as tank it will be funny
flat axle
DSR stands for which one?
loud nymph
Dragonsong's Reprise
amber fable
Dragon song reprise
loud nymph
the other level 90 ultimate
clear plume
I think there is a website that tracks ultimates by number of clears per player I saw
wicked delta
Do DSR first as tank it will be funny
clear plume
My static wants us to be 1-8 at end of the kefka patch
clear plume
Actually just farming it
deep gale
<:despair:1486361774931578932>
dsr was the first content I tanked outside of like p1s that was a fucking experience
clear plume
Our goal is 100+ clears
wicked delta
Im going back into d once I get enough out of Kefka
I think im a decent healer now
I should be able to do it
wicked delta
Depends on my static lol
They still wanna reclear m11 for alt job loot
But if they’re done with that I can just start gearing up for P2 clear
flat axle
which one should I do first, bahamut or Alexander for my first ult?
wicked delta
Whatever you want to do lol
flat axle
which one is easier out of those 2?
deep gale
They are difficult in different ways
amber fable
What level are you anyway?
deep gale
Anecdotally I found UCoB harder
flat axle
What level are you anyway?
My pally is 100 and the rest of my tank I got to 90
wicked delta
UcoB is “harder” because the difficulty is more spread around the entire fight
While TEAs first two phases are hard and the rest is relatively simple in comparison
So really it depends
flat axle
Ok I start bahamut first, I should probably jump into some savages first instead of going straight into ultimates?
wicked delta
If you want
Savage experience for ucob doesn’t matter for shit
It will help ig
If you study and know your job then thats already enough
flat axle
Are people still doing the savage raids of this expansion?
wicked delta
Yes
An ultimate is releasing this tier
So people are still doing it
As for player quality thats um
Gulp!
But you will find folks at least
amber fable
Only current expnasion savage matter
deep gale
As for player quality thats um
Was M9-12 a M1-4 moment I haven't done the tier
amber fable
Old expnasion savage are irrelevant beside wanting to see how it played with sync
flat axle
If you study and know your job then thats already enough
Yeah that’s why I picked tank cause it seems like the easiest to learn, I was gonna do healer but when I play healer in dungeons I fall asleep, I don’t want to get sleepy while doing ultimates if I go healer
wicked delta
Was M9-12 a M1-4 moment I haven't done the tier
Way harder lol
wicked delta
Yeah that’s why I picked tank cause it seems like the easiest to learn, I was go...
Healing in ults is harder than tanking
deep gale
Way harder lol
Got it people are bad for the love of the game
deep gale
regen is chill just play whm and be like damn sorry we died to transition guys there was nothing I could do
wicked delta
We cant even say that now
wicked delta
WHM got mit recently I cant bullshit my way out of this
deep gale
you're not supposed to know your kit as a whm player (rookie mistake)
flat axle
WHM got mit recently I cant bullshit my way out of this
I would play white mage but man I can’t with the one button dmg😩
wicked delta
I would play white mage but man I can’t with the one button dmg😩
Play sage and know freedom
wicked delta
https://i.imgur.com/KeyUkxh.png
What does this even mean fr
flat axle
Play sage and know freedom
More dmg buttons?
deep gale
you're not supposed to know your kit as a whm player (rookie mistake)
I don't get to hate whm for having terrible damage and no mit anymore now I just hate for love of the game
wicked delta
More dmg buttons?
Generally yea
Its a shield heal though
So the burden is on you
dapper zealot
https://i.imgur.com/KeyUkxh.png
I'm getting bad juju
flat axle
Everyone’s life in my hands
wicked delta
Unironically yes
flat axle
That sounds scurry
wicked delta
Though in ults if you have dumbasses in your party not pressing their own mit then you will die anyway
Doesn’t matter how many shields you put up
amber fable
Party mit of tanks matter a fair bit too
jolly flume
you can carry mit to an extent but that is a limited extent
deep gale
party has so much more mit than a shield healer we live in a society
wicked delta
Mitigation is a team effort!
I remember watching Chiyo do DSR and wiping to transition to P7 because there were exactly 2 mits up
jolly flume
and both of them were mine
dapper zealot
Smh my head
jolly flume
amber fable
Mb
deep gale
mb I clicked it off
jolly flume
in
full
downtime
how do you forget to do your one job when there isn't even a boss to hit
random needle
I'd Addle it if I could :'(
deep gale
mitigation is a ploy by big square to allow regen players to get away with being afk
random needle
I remember watching Chiyo do DSR and wiping to transition to P7 because there we...
Imagine if we die to damage
wicked delta
FRU is a very hard fight
hardy crest
Mitigation is a team effort!
in m12s prog yesterday I had a group where people would only survive act 1 if I pressed magick barrier (and even then it only worked 50% of the time) which has genuinely never happened to me before
random needle
The humble unmitigated Fixer
deep gale
its week 500 did they fill the parties out with mes (no gear)
amber fable
Gear cant compensate
random needle
in m12s prog yesterday I had a group where people would only survive act 1 if I ...
I remember having an m11 party where I exploded to the opening raidwide
Because neither tank would put any mit on it
deep gale
thats lb gen you just got highrolled
random needle
It was cinema
tepid briar
I play better when I don’t have ACT open
yea I don't use overlay I just look at upload
amber fable
When I started my m11 prog I had sch who would keep dying to first raidwide due to eating auto at start
wicked delta
in m12s prog yesterday I had a group where people would only survive act 1 if I ...
The humble and fair unmitigated fixer
Act 1 dying to damage is sad as fuck though lmao
tepid briar
in m12s prog yesterday I had a group where people would only survive act 1 if I ...
everyone exploding at the fixer
hardy crest
Act 1 dying to damage is sad as fuck though lmao
yeah it was an experience
tepid briar
like 20% overkill
remote gate
you dont need mit bro the 780/790 armor defense is your mit
trust me youll survive bro
deep gale
trust me youll survive bro
ok i believe you 👍
tepid briar
😭
tepid briar
I usually just plenary fixer and temperance act 1
hardy crest
bro where's the whm mit
glare mage hours
remote gate
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/accimg2/7e/f4/7ef44e23df38c2e5ced8826da6a0c2...
bro forgot astro exists... 🥀💔
tepid briar
wicked delta
I wiped a party in act 2 because I greeded a cast 
tepid briar
lindwurm 1 still empty as fuck
deep gale
This is, I assume, a static mit sheet so there just is no ast (gg)
hardy crest
it took so long for me to actually start reading rep1 correctly I either have the spacial awareness of a rock or am fully locked on and aware no in between
remote gate
have any of you cleared tea
deep gale
yeah i love tea
remote gate
yeah i love tea
what role cuz I think im going to go as a caster instead of tank
tank in tea is 😴
wicked delta
it took so long for me to actually start reading rep1 correctly I either have th...
I can read it correctly sort of but I kept losing sight of my clone like a fucking dumbass
hardy crest
yeah that was my problem with it, sometimes I’d notice I got the wrong prio spot and try to sprint to the right spot but it seems to snapshot too early for the sprint fix to work
wicked delta
Story in a few words
deep gale
what role cuz I think im going to go as a caster instead of tank
I've only done it as healer, I don't recall doing anything crazy special for it
Is doll skip normalized now or do people still do p1
jolly flume
always stand on a cardinal when you're waiting for rep 1 dashes
if you're on a cardinal looking at a cardinal none of the clones can dash through each other relative to your camera
makes it harder to lose them
loud nymph
I just kinda look at both fire clones at the same time
from like a top down perspective
one's gonna dash off screen out of my los but the other will wind up in melee
and if I know where that one melee one is then bam, mech solved
wicked delta
orbital?
Rep 1
I think the only time I had a wtf reaction in m11 was ultimate weapons
Cus some of these patterns are AI generated
loud nymph
ultimate weapons is a good time to be a light party 2 gamer
tepid briar
ultimate weapons is a good time to be a light party 2 gamer
depends
clockwise light party 2
counter clockwise light party 1
limpid edge
i forgot i can make duty complete parties as host
i should be doin that with weekly unclaimed to get a clear on alt
remote gate
amber fable
Sun will cook us all
limpid edge
speen normal was kinda cool. I still wish the ex had the moving wall and random bullshit go AA
amber fable
They always add some cool mech to normal
Meanwhile ex/savage will do a basic bitch version of that
jolly flume
A HUNDRED DEGREES
i'm dying
I don't have any batteries for my AC remote and they won't get here until tomorrow
amber fable
Time to use hands
wicked delta
Sun will cook us all
Wish that were me rn
Its raining like hell right now
Its been raining for a few days
boreal pumice
rains nice when your not in it relaxing
random needle
though I never really had trouble with the sword into scythe either way
I'm trying to decide if axe-sword-scythe-sword-scythe-axe or sword-scythe-axe-axe-sword-scythe is worse
I guess it depends on how bursty your movement tools are
boreal pumice
I guess it depends on how bursty your movement tools are
a test of your reflexes
random needle
A test of your Lightspeeds
daring pine
I'm trying to decide if axe-sword-scythe-sword-scythe-axe or sword-scythe-axe-ax...
axe-sword-scythe-sword-scythe-axe is worse
I think
random needle
That's probably worse on average yeah
I can see double axe in the middle being superbad for Astro though, since your lightspeed just burns away
remote gate
elounge what is this vanilla+ meme I keep seeing on ffxiv twitter/reddit
loud nymph
axe-sword-scythe-sword-scythe-axe is worse
The only one I actively hated was where you'd get sword as the final weapon & had to squeeze in between 2 swords to bait properly
so I guess that'd be like scythe axe sword something something sword
that sucks
random needle
elounge what is this vanilla+ meme I keep seeing on ffxiv twitter/reddit
I think it's modbeasts coping /s
It seems to be people showing off their WoL's vanilla appearance, a lightly modded one called vanilla+, then whatever lengths they go to after that is the secret third thing
clear plume
elounge what is this vanilla+ meme I keep seeing on ffxiv twitter/reddit
TLDR vanilla plus is some cope term people use for when they mod their character but not like that!!
remote gate
i was going to ask why its cope but then i remembered what game im playing
clear plume
Meant to be like, I only use a body mod but realistically the images posted are like body with a unique face sculpt plus hair plus 3 tattoos and different eyes and tail on top of that
random needle
I say people should just own it 
There are some visual ones I dabble around with on occasion, but never while I'm actively raiding and MSQing and stuff, I like my vanilla appearance a lot
remote gate
if these mfers want to see modbeasts they should watch pso2 and look at the vanilla characters
clear plume
And then they call it vanilla plus and it’s like no
But like the actual answer is it’s just people that want to pin modbeasts as the evil 0.1% of modders who go to far, and everybody else is pure bc they’re in the vanilla plus middle ground
Same you see with raiding and the term midcore at the end of the day
random needle
"No no, you don't understand, I didn't wear any of the robes or drink the wine at the Devil's Sacrament, I just showed up and watched and danced along for a couple minutes" girl you were still at the Devil's Sacrament, own it 👀
boreal pumice
bring back plunge
wicked delta
Id probably call smth like this vanilla +
She has a bodymod and the hair is modded but otherwise it basically looks like a regular FFXIV character lol
That’s just how I see it though
Others prob see it differently
zealous meteor
elounge what is this vanilla+ meme I keep seeing on ffxiv twitter/reddit
vanilla+ is also a plugin like simple tweaks
boreal pumice
XIV characters are skinny af
and flat ass
random needle
Yoshi-P, there is a reason we keep asking for the butt slider
loud swift
XIV characters are skinny af
they have no belly
they have no internal organs
idec about the ass or boobs but they have no belly :(
or arms for that matter
especially for female characters
my miqo is just skin
wicked delta
The only thing I want is for my characters to have smaller torsos
loud swift
no fat no muscle
boreal pumice
or nipples
wicked delta
XIV torso’s long as hell
And them being so thin makes it more uncanny
I love the games style I just wish there were more options
limpid edge
benefit of butt slider is less people usin 2b pants. Thats a win in my book
tepid briar
I want to make a bunboy with no leg muscles
limpid edge
no leg day bunboi
amber fable
Elezen neck can be shortened a bit
Maybe some muscle definition
And thats all it need
whole estuary
a little more exaggerated animation
their run animation looks like this from behind
whole estuary
I'd rather have personality even if it didn't match my tastes rather than a complete lack of it
whole estuary
it looks fine from the front
amber fable
Back side is fine for me
whole estuary
but from the back, which is where you will see the running animation from 99.9% of the time, it's barely in motion
amber fable
I see other races and dont find it that different
whole estuary
it's pretty different
amber fable
Is there some vid which compares em all
whole estuary
probably for up to stormblood races
but not side by side, just one by one
fmiqo and faura are probably the most popular for neutral female runs
whole estuary
like, before they go into any cpose?
whole estuary
oh, they shift their weight on one leg, yeah
amber fable
I have studied hip bone too much..that shit bothers me
People see cute
I see a defect...it is what it is
whole estuary
that makes sense
elezen look really good when they're not moving
screenshots, portraits, poses
it's like CLAMP manga vs. CLAMP anime
versed vale
yo so i just got level 100
i still have msq but my other jobs aren’t of level with my msq
remote gate
keep rolling on msq and level the other jobs as you go
tepid briar
brb walking into vamp fatale's apartment
clear plume
Butt slider wouldnt even make people happy if it was added bc they don’t make pants follow body changes anyways
rapid whale
They will not be happy until they get their IMVU
craggy marsh
Even if we somehow do get a buttslider it's not going to be 2B levels of ass
rapid whale
Each cheek must be larger than max height lala or we riot
amber fable
Torso gear piece with its accessories will cover it anyway
thin fox
I dont know
amber fable
You can gift them steam wallet
thin fox
hence the question
amber fable
And that can be used for sub
rapid whale
That sounds like a headache with currency exchange rates
thin fox
Im just asking because Im going to be paying for my girlfriends sub and Im trying to figure out what is required for that
rapid whale
Google says you can use the physical time cards they just have to enter it in via mogstation
amber fable
Google ai...
rapid whale
Fair
thin fox
What
amber fable
Lmao
clear plume
That’s talking about base game
amber fable
Give cash gift
thin fox
ok I think Im just gonna gift her a steam giftcard thing
rapid whale
Reddit
amber fable
6 comments only
thin fox
I think I would rather just buy a Steam giftcard
and have her use the money from her digital wallet
thin fox
god spending money on this game is awful
rapid whale
It's like trying to feed a dog medicine
thin fox
this game could never become an evil gacha game or whatever
cuz that would require them to make it easy to spend money
thin fox
ok but this is not strictly steams fault lol
dull drum
cant even blame steam for it tbh considering how shitty mogstation is as a user experience for new peeps
yeah
amber fable
That I agree
thin fox
its so bad
amber fable
I used steam for everything
thin fox
Ive been trying to use the gift function on the store for like
weeks
and it doesnt work
amber fable
So it wasnt a pain
amber fable
Making account was the biggest pain
dull drum
😭
thin fox
friend had to screenshare so i could guide him on how to purchase the game
wheres that one clip of cdawgva crashing out over how hard it is to buy this game
amber fable
Everything else afterwards was simple
People say steam is bad or what not
But it simplifies a lot of things
thin fox
the claims steams is bad are mostly exaggerated
loud nymph
You know if I had a nickel for every final fantasy MMO that has an absolutely fucking awful experience for buying and playing it, I'd have two nickels
which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
thin fox
this one? https://youtu.be/ajVhmmo_nJo?si=RwAoeuBrf6OxLsN3
yeah i think this is it
legit the worst part of the game
amber fable
Making account is the first trial
rapid whale
Play online was an exercise in patience because they were training you for getting rekt in game
thin fox
hes right when he says he knew it would be bad when it was a jp company
legit
every jp company website
amber fable
Steam wallet is best
amber fable
Jp debuff
amber fable
Well local talent probably only caters to local
So thats why its shit for everyone else
tepid briar
i sometimes order merch directly from jp and it is
jp was in 2000 in 1996
thin fox
over having to reinstall
thin fox
that i bought an external drive
just so i could copy the entire installation
into the drive
and just transfer the files directly
thin fox
because it was infinitely less drama
amber fable
No need to install
Install dalamud and its all gucci
My steam dont even show ff14 as installed kek
I just have to keep it open for steam account for dalamud
rapid whale
finally i unlocked this roul
My condolences for your sanity in the future
valid solar
finally i unlocked this roul
I would recommend never doing it
loud swift
my tomes...
loud nymph
finally i unlocked this roul
I'm so sorry
valid solar
my tomes...
its 30 and 10 literally just run EX instead
rapid whale
I would rather run with duty support than mentor roulette
amber fable
Guilhest roullete
loud swift
wtf even happens in ramuh ex
amber fable
More like
tough gorge
just never queue as tank or healer ez
amber fable
wtf even happens in ramuh ex
Nothing
loud swift
the only arr ex ive ran unsynced was shiva
tough gorge
wtf even happens in ramuh ex
sprouts don't know what a tank swap is, that's what makes it difficult
in reality it's piss easy
loud swift
ohh gotcha
loud swift
people dont even know how to do ramuh normal
amber fable
Neither did I till I read the guide
I still dunno what some mech in normal do
I cleared ramuh ex in mentor once atleast
loud swift
its just.. kill ads. if you have a tether go collect orbs. shock players who have debuff
you dont even need to do the last part if theyre a dps
amber fable
People were learning there atleast
thin fox
if youre actually going to do mentor I would recommend having a basic knowledge of all the ARR extremes
especially shiva and ramuh (the two most problematic ones)
loud swift
i know shiva and whorleater extreme!!!
amber fable
I had shiva ex once and we one shotted it
thin fox
some extremes you can get lucky depending on who is mentor
two sprout tanks for shiva -> uh oh
thin fox
having good healers helps a lot too
people who are just attentive and know how to manage their mp
healing as a mentor in ex is mostly just about not doing any damage ever
enrage is never a real issue its just keeping people up
amber fable
I havent yet to clear leviathan ex synced in mentor
amber fable
I have cleared titan ramuh thordan sephirot
thin fox
once I got Ifrit EX and I didn't even realise we rolled the extreme so I early pulled as sage
legit we were 50% of the way into the fight before I realised we were in the extreme
because I was like wtf this is the uwu debuff why do I have it here
we one shot tho
because I just kept spamming heals
amber fable
Titan is easy too if you can use eyes
thin fox
theyre less easy when youre 6/8 sprouts and they dont fully understand how to stand outside of orange circles yet
amber fable
As long as half the party isnt complete lobotomite
Getting clueless sprouts clear do feel good
tired egret
sprouts don't know what a tank swap is, that's what makes it difficult
in realit...
either: tanks don't know shit, or everyone leaves eachother to die
including themselves
speaking from experience
worn bluff
alexander raids are scary for sprout tanks
wicked delta
The only ARR ex I struggled with clearing was Ramuh
Wasn’t even the tanks
It was the sprouts constantly pvp’ing each other
thin fox
watching gf go thru msq and man
tired egret
It was the sprouts constantly pvp’ing each other
since I started doing tanking duty for EX Trials
thin fox
wtf hapopened w the black rose subplot again
i literally do not remember where they went with that
wicked delta
wtf hapopened w the black rose subplot again
Zenos got rid of it
tired egret
sole reason I even hate doing Ramuh EX if I have to
(I have to due to mat drop lmao)
worn bluff
wtf hapopened w the black rose subplot again
something something chemical weapons
gaius somehow strong enough to kill ascians
whole estuary
in the previous invasions Garlemald developed a chemical weapon to support its invasion
valid solar
wtf hapopened w the black rose subplot again
so gaius and estinien along with gaius's new friends were running around destroying black rose production plants, until they eventually head to garlemald itself and zenos pinned gaius as the emperors murderer, zenos then shut down the black rose thing
dull drum
ok nvm the twitter headline was just shit it says growing light so ok
whole estuary
Gaius didn't like it because he wanted to conquer and rule over over nations, not indiscriminately kill everything that lives outside Garlemald
but since the tides of the war were turning they wanted to restart factories that produce it
dull drum
was it not on spotify for a while already
thanks SE
valid solar
about damn time
whole estuary
the widespread use of Black Rose would also eventually result in a Calamity, since that's ultimately the purpose of Garlemald as a country
to spread as much death and misery in the world as possible until it results in a global catastrophe
so everybody averts that in this timeline
sleek moon
the question was where did that plot end up, not what is black rose lol
zealous meteor
zenos destroyed it because he realised it would kill the wol
and he wanted a fair rematch. didn't want us keeling over from light juice
i think he was like "it's a dishonourable weapon" or some shit
worn bluff
waiting patiently for Give it All to hit spotify
zealous meteor
waiting patiently for Give it All to hit spotify
see you in two years
worn bluff
proper cave
may 20th midnight
Timeline dependent. East coast NA gets it in eight hours.
Line?
Zone. My phone don’t like me
raven prawn
do we know anything about the new ultimate coming soon?
raven prawn
thats more than i knew 2 minutes ago 😄
craggy marsh
made by the same person who did tea and top
So it'll either be the best thing ever or it'll be divisive
Although most of TOP divisiveness comes from how it launched I guess
rapid whale
my copium is that both tea and top were huge steps up in terms of the ceiling of difficulty for ffxiv raiding as a whole
so kefka ultimate will be the hardest fight we have ever gotten period
tough gorge
maybe they'll have learned from the debuff vomit in top
that and the insane downtime in phase 5
thin fox
phase 5's problem wasn't downtime
proper cave
Shoutouts to the bugged autos that were destroying healers
rapid whale
if you hard enrage p1 thats cuz like 6 memberes decided to hold at once
craggy marsh
Ye
rapid whale
there was a guy who made a video picking the worst dps in every role and used 0 pots to clear the fight on patch
all cuz he got into a twitter argument w/ someone who claimed top was insanely tuned because p1 required pots
next level petty but i love it
rapid whale
mango im talking double phys ranged
craggy marsh
DNC and BRD?
craggy marsh
tired egret
so kefka ultimate will be the hardest fight we have ever gotten period
Kefka Ultimate will be the swansong of the 2m burst meta trust.
rapid whale
point being even in the ultimate raiding community theres levels to that shit
tired egret
rapid whale
i mean ur not wrong
worn bluff
Kefka Ultimate will be the swansong of the 2m burst meta trust.
every single mechanic will happen during 2 minute burst and the game will fast forward in between
tired egret
Truth
thin fox
its actually so sad that FRU had no inter-phase time rewind mechanic
worn bluff
maybe a harder version of idyllic was planned for FRU
shy obsidian
imagine if Kefka just. completely fakes mechanics
like actual fake tells with no way of differentiating between real and fake ones
sleek moon
something something bosses stand still during 2 mins burst something something yeah i dont raid
shy obsidian
and everyone has a full second to panic when they realize that they got faked out
worn bluff
imagine if Kefka just. completely fakes mechanics
like actual fake tells with no...
so he's just as dangerous as my teammates
craggy marsh
The look of fear in everyone's eyes when you get to phase 5 of the ult and Kefka summons a 10th clown
sleek moon
imagine if Kefka just. completely fakes mechanics
like actual fake tells with no...
then how do you solve it
shy obsidian
everybody gets into the typical position and they have a whole single second to react to the fakeout hehe
rapid whale
then how do you solve it
craggy marsh
You have to solve the mechanic via server ticks
raven prawn
quick question, since a new ultimate is dropping, does that mean there will be a Race To Worlds First. situation? so all the "pro" players will be streaming their runs and such for us to watch?
proper cave
A good amount of them but not all
rapid whale
the number of top ends streaming their race has trended upwards tho
raven prawn
sweet 😄 ill probably still be in msq dawntrail by then so was hoping i would get to see it beaten live 😄
craggy marsh
Will we have the esports commentators that FRU had or did they give up after seeing how boring XIV is to watch
proper cave
Yeah I think there has been only one streaming team that actually got wf
rapid whale
i dont think we will because FRU race was like, days shorter than they initially thought
so it probably resulted in a massive financial loss
raven prawn
FRU?
craggy marsh
i dont think we will because FRU race was like, days shorter than they initially...
"Look at that awesome mitigation!!!"
rapid whale
FRU is the last ultimate, Futures Rewritten Ultimate
raven prawn
FRU is the last ultimate, Futures Rewritten Ultimate
ahhh gotcha 😄 i havent done any ultimates yet or watched any so this will be my first
rapid whale
i mean if you're commentating on a world race u wouldnt be talking about micro stuff unless an insane play happens lol
craggy marsh
i mean if you're commentating on a world race u wouldnt be talking about micro s...
Ya but popping mit isn't insane
raven prawn
i mean if you're commentating on a world race u wouldnt be talking about micro s...
like the tank soloing last 3% of the boss
craggy marsh
But I get it they're trying to come up with something to talk about
which there is none bc XIV is a boring game to watch
rapid whale
you'd be like, "Right now, Team A is at a cross roads of how to handle this mechanic without more information. Either solution seems valid based on what we know so far, but the time it would take to test both might just be too much.." etc
wicked delta
i mean if you're commentating on a world race u wouldnt be talking about micro s...
Thats what they were doing in FRUs world race and it became obnoxious as shit 
sleek moon
im perfectly fine with ffxiv endgame not being turned into an esport
craggy marsh
ya
rapid whale
Thats what they were doing in FRUs world race and it became obnoxious as shit <:...
YEA WELL YOU'RE OBNOXIOUS AS SHIT
sleek moon
we have enough insufferable raiders without having the likes of team liquid here
wicked delta
YEA WELL YOU'RE OBNOXIOUS AS SHIT
Why are you so mean to me
craggy marsh
XIV has no place in trying to be a competitive esport
rapid whale
u mean why are YOU so mean to ME
wicked delta
☹️
rapid whale
yea xiv is the retirement home
craggy marsh
i'll never be mean to you bapple dw
proper cave
ahhh gotcha 😄 i havent done any ultimates yet or watched any so this will be my...
UCoB = Unending Coil of Bahamut.
UWU = Ultima Weapon Ultimate = The Weapon's Refrain.
TEA = The Epic of Alexander.
DSR = Dragonsong Reprise.
TOP = The Omega Protocol.
FRU = Futures Rewritten Ultimate.
People still arguing how to abbreviate Dancing Mad lol
thin fox
umad 
craggy marsh
But ya just make UMAD/KUM be a fun fight. I don't need it to have CBT extreme mechanics every 2 seconds that kill the entire party if one person is a pixel out of place because Kekfa farted on the healer
tough gorge
it's probably just gonna be dmu
rapid whale
kum goated
thin fox
I think its fine for an ultimate to have nonstop instakill mechanics because its an ultimate
craggy marsh
I think its fine for an ultimate to have nonstop instakill mechanics because its...
They're fine but don't make them be so obnoxious
craggy marsh
You can make body checks while still making the mech be fun
rapid whale
i am imagining a bunch of PF listings like, "P2 enrage KUM"
thin fox
give me 20 minutes of looper
craggy marsh
i am imagining a bunch of PF listings like, "P2 enrage KUM"
"P4 enrage study the KUM"
rapid whale
"You will KUM or you will leave"
thin fox
this expansion the strats were organised into two pastebins. the lesbin and the kumbin.
craggy marsh
"KUM, hector, uptime, braindead, saus"
thin fox
larp detected. for ulti you always just reference a bin.
craggy marsh
rapid whale
seeing some of the prep the teams do makes me think i could never be a world racer
like 12+ hour streams of constant raiding
visual geyser
ff11 gearmogs xiv
craggy marsh
like 12+ hour streams of constant raiding
I could never be a world racer as i'm too dedicated to my husband to ignore him for 18+ hours a day
I could do 12 hours tho
zealous meteor
too gay to world race
thin fox
if youre explicitly aiming to race ulti 16 is absolute minimum but youd probably want to average 18.
craggy marsh
But I also have a job and taking PTO off just to raid seems weird to me unless i'm getting paid to raid
thin fox
well
rapid whale
is world races fun to watch for those who dont do ultimates
craggy marsh
Ya
thin fox
getting paid to raid
thin fox
is world races fun to watch for those who dont do ultimates
yeah
ultimate race always brings in the highest viewership for this game
for a reason
rapid whale
this is going to sound turbo elitist and im always open to being wrong but in my mind like, do they even understand what is happening or is it just the whoaa factor
thin fox
if you go look at any raider's analytics over time their peaks are always gonna be ulti
rapid whale
like if I watch a mythic 24man raid i have 0 clue wtf is going on
thin fox
this is going to sound turbo elitist and im always open to being wrong but in my...
the casters do a good job at making it more accessible
zealous meteor
this is going to sound turbo elitist and im always open to being wrong but in my...
it's probably the whoa factor
craggy marsh
def the whoa factor
thin fox
even if u do ulti
ur not necessarily gonna know wtf is going on
like even if you did DSR you won't look at a stream of TOP world race and be like ah yes p5 I can decipher whats going on with no added explanations
wicked delta
this is going to sound turbo elitist and im always open to being wrong but in my...
On some levels they will get the simpler stuff but its like 75% woah factor
craggy marsh
Although idk how many people actually watch the whole thing
wicked delta
It just looks cool to see how people resolve shit and also what kind of sadistic mechanics were cooked up
Also the final phase transitions are always bangers
rapid whale
I imagine watching UR in fru was holy shit even if executing it was kinda whatever
craggy marsh
Like when DSR came out and teams were stuck on P3 for like 14 hours
that would be awful to watch
thin fox
at least personally Im gonna have the world race up on my other monitor whenever Im at my computer
craggy marsh
It's cool to see the hype moments whenever someone gets to a new phase
thin fox
I probs wont like
rapid whale
Yea these are kind of like our world cups
worn bluff
Thats what they were doing in FRUs world race and it became obnoxious as shit <:...
"last raidwide coming through... and they will live through it YES"
thin fox
fully pay attention
unless theres something new
I mean I sympathise because like its hard to fill airtime for so long
craggy marsh
"last raidwide coming through... and they will live through it YES"
"Nice coordination by the team!" bro they've seen this mech like 90+ pulls in a row wtf do you mean nice coordination
thin fox
cuz you dont wanna just be silent for 30 minutes