did my magitaur sim homework
#endgame-lounge
boreal pumice
its 3 paths
shut basin
guys what potion should i be using for savage fights on healer?
true beacon
guys what potion should i be using for savage fights on healer?
Grade 4 mind
When you’re actually clear ready
tall field
its 3 paths
ngl the attacks if u take too much even on tank can put u in a very bad position
i stuck to dart+cure
boreal pumice
its not that bad its very boring i did as a whm when it came out
boreal pumice
only path you dont need is the secret one
tall field
now left is mid
winged spindle
There's no way this is happening to me 
Someone sent me logs but I'm sure 100% it's not his... because the log he sent belongs to someone I know well
So unless he made a new discord account, and lied on the fact he never did Ultimate, I don't know 
And bro openly said "I can be interested otherwise I wouldn't even answer"
Red flag in my opinion ^^"
OK, it's not his log
The real one confirmed it to me
shy obsidian
flourishing
jolly flume
There's no way this is happening to me <:wheeze:443872222562615306>
Someone sen...
my friend uses my tomestone to prog lie
thin fox
winged spindle
my friend uses my tomestone to prog lie
But here… the real owner doesn’t even know him so he asked me to marinate him
boreal pumice
Least you get funny cube mount
tulip wraith
oh true
i thought that was after 100 clears for some reason
probably mixing it up with the title
craggy marsh
There's no way this is happening to me <:wheeze:443872222562615306>
Someone sen...
What's the point in sending fake logs anyways? Won't the gig be up the second they have to do content with the group?
winged spindle
Exactly... I don't know what is the point to do this
stray forge
gonna start telling everyone im biscuit
versed kayak
What's the point in sending fake logs anyways? Won't the gig be up the second th...
exactly what I was wondering
winged spindle
I'm actually looking at someone else log... he died 3 (with 8 dd) over his 4 M9S kill and 6 times (with 2 DD) in M10S...
I will try to get a vocal interview, but I'm pessimistic
He has good number yes
But if you die a lot during prog or kill, it's useless 🙁
It's kinda sketchy, but here's what I noted... his M12S P1 performance was more than really good tho
rapid whale
There's no way this is happening to me <:wheeze:443872222562615306>
Someone sen...
???
valid solar
gonna start telling everyone im biscuit
gonna start telling people im bapple
rapid whale
Hello it's me Yoshi p
jolly flume
hello it's me meow meow kitten
valid solar
Hello its me watas-
rapid whale
But you actually cleared m11s
wicked delta
There's no way this is happening to me <:wheeze:443872222562615306>
Someone sen...
Thats funny as fuck
wicked delta
But you actually cleared m11s
He cleared m11 too tho 😔
rapid whale
Oh did he
winged spindle
Well, it got my hope to drop down instantly but yeah it's funny
wicked delta
He just gave up in M12 P2
rapid whale
Well, it got my hope to drop down instantly but yeah it's funny <:wheeze:4438722...
Dude that's actually crazy tho
rapid whale
I've never heard of someone straight up offering logs that weren't theirs in an application
wicked delta
The audacity of it all is impressive honestly
rapid whale
I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY PERFORMANCE, I HATE YOU!!!
winged spindle
The audacity of it all is impressive honestly
Sadly, I knew this guy very well
rapid whale
I'm imagining someone like
Sending clips of Messi and Ronaldo to a football recruiter
winged spindle
He said "He has good savage experience but none in Ultimate"
And manage to send me this
Voici mes logs : https://fr.fflogs.com/character/eu/spriggan/triangle isocele
rapid whale
Being like heh yeah this is me
wicked delta
Sadly, I knew this guy very well <:LUL:929546342458593423>
If you knew him then why would he even bother lying???
winged spindle
If you knew him then why would he even bother lying???
The guy he pretends to be
I know him
valid solar
I think noti meant he knew the person they were pretending to be
wicked delta
Ohhh
rapid whale
It's not even like a race static
winged spindle
So I thought it was his alt... but when I contact the real guy, he was dead laughing and asked me to marinate him to know until where he will go
rapid whale
Why bother lying I think you're pretty open with the idea it's your friend's first ultimate no
winged spindle
True, I totally accept non Ultimate experience and even prefer people without
So I can say that thanks to me, people cleared Ultimate 
I just ask good experience in savage
craggy marsh
gonna start telling people im bapple
Hello it's me Sausage Roll I like to carry people in ultimate and release shitters into ultimate pf
winged spindle
He won't answer back anyway
From the moment he told me "I saw your message on ERC and I can be interested, otherwise I wouldn't even answer" he was cooked
craggy marsh
From the moment he told me "I saw your message on ERC and I can be interested, o...
Bro's a big deal
He can be interested
winged spindle
I just told him that he needs some good manner, answering no isn't a death penalty
A guy like this can ghost you mid prog without tell you why
craggy marsh
A guy like that also will miss multiple raid days or be late to raid
But he'll make you feel like the asshole bc he'll use the "family emergency" excuse
clear plume
I’ve had somebody use my logs for applying to a thing before
Just grabbed random dnc from leaderboard and was like yeah this is me
And like you can’t do that to the rank 2 dnc at the time and expect nobody to know him
craggy marsh
And like you can’t do that to the rank 2 dnc at the time and expect nobody to kn...
Bro was rank 1
Common rank 1 mistake
clear plume
The rank 1 was Mary rean I’m never beating them
They do double samurai double drk runs and I just will never reach that level of caring
winged spindle
My friend laugh at the situation and sent me Xeno parse to laugh
I ask him if he was bald too, he said yes... I kinda want to believe him now 
craggy marsh
It still boggles my mind that people actually send fake logs like what does that accomplish at all beyond waisting people's time
clear plume
Fake it til you make it attitude
rapid whale
A guy like that also will miss multiple raid days or be late to raid
dont forget when they set the time and still get mad at you over it
clear plume
Everybody (Reddit) knows it’s impossible to week 1 clear or orange parse without a static, so just lie and you’ll easily get your week 1 clears and parses when you lie your way into a group.
rapid whale
yeah im a hacker
clear plume
Like it’s literally that simple
People are really good as a whole at overestimating themselves
jolly flume
smile
craggy marsh
dont forget when they set the time and still get mad at you over it
Like, bro you joined the static that is raiding 6-10PM why are you complaining about being busy in the evening and making plans 😭
rapid whale
Like, bro you joined the static that is raiding 6-10PM why are you complaining a...
no i had a moment someone literally set the time themselves, showed up an hr late, got mad at me because I had opened a pf (with their slot omitted btw)
craggy marsh
rapid whale
was the biggest non issue ever but they blew up at me l0l
clear plume
Bpd be crazy with that one
craggy marsh
XIV players and bpd go together like me and this cheesesteak im gonna have later
dull drum
Hello it's me Sausage Roll I like to carry people in ultimate and release shitte...
see the thing is like i can respect sausage roll for wanting to clear people like thats commendable but like
it sucks that a majority of the people who get it dont “deserve” it
craggy marsh
I dont hate Sausage Roll I just hate how- yeah exactly
rapid whale
what was even the cut off for top
dull drum
or never strive to improve to carry their own weight
rapid whale
was it like p5 sigma to clear type shit
dull drum
was it like p5 sigma to clear type shit
wc1
but that ended up failing a lot bc the choke always happens on wc2 ask anyone who pfed top here
rapid whale
ic
craggy marsh
A lot of people get carried by Saus and then plague pf
rapid whale
ya did u see the erddit thread mango
craggy marsh
ya did u see the erddit thread mango
I have not
rapid whale
tldr on avg the party had to parse a 35 or higher to actually meet dps check and it was something crazy like 95% were parsing 10 or below
craggy marsh
😭
rapid whale
eg if someone parsed a 20, somebody on the team had to parse higher than a 35 to make up for it
clear plume
That Reddit post was a little innacurate fwiw
rapid whale
oic
clear plume
It made the assumption that the lowest p6 parse on each clear was the clearee
When that wasn’t exactly the case
Especially later on when they started sandbagging specifically to let saus try and get last 2m out
dull drum
ic
for the record though idk saus prog cause i know prog was also a service they did im only familiar with c41
clear plume
Like the scholar would sandbag and be put in the statistic as a clearee not deserving it when the red mage was the actual new clear
craggy marsh
The fear when you join a static and it's all sausage legends
clear plume
Like as a whole the trend remains true that yeah, people with less experience in the phase will do less than optimal 100%
rapid whale
now loading exA skwerz in
clear plume
But the idea they don’t deserve the clear is a little more iffy to me and always has bc really it’s speeding up like, 4-5 times seeing p6 the average static took?
rapid whale
mb i choked p6 more than 4-5 times
craggy marsh
I guess it depends on the person if they 'deserved the clear'
Some people who got saus cleared deserved it but others idk
clear plume
So oh no they cheated on like an hour or two of prog and confidence in the phase, it’s all like, so fucking overblown
dull drum
I guess it depends on the person if they 'deserved the clear'
admittedly deserving is super subjective
clear plume
P6 wasn’t the hardest phase of top
Anybody who could get to it, would clear it with a few more hours 100%
craggy marsh
So oh no they cheated on like an hour or two of prog and confidence in the phase...
Getting speedprogged will never be considered cheating to me bc that's fairgame
Not everyone wants to spend 20 hours progging phase 5
stray forge
I do
clear plume
Speed progged is way more egregious than what saus did
stray forge
In fact let’s make that 20 DAYS
rapid whale
In fact let’s make that 20 DAYS
prove it
jolly flume
to me it's far less about deserving the clear and more about the fact that they'll probably do like negative dps for a few extra final phases in reclear parties, like I've seen this happen so many times
sometimes they won't enrage
sometimes they will
dull drum
yeah saus clearees got discriminated in reclear pf
jolly flume
we nearly clean enraged fru with a bunch of c41 andies
dull drum
which was understandable since a lot of them just couldnt carry their weight in dmg
jolly flume
I still have the clip somewhere
so I can't imagine it would go well in a fight with any semblance of a real check
craggy marsh
When the saus clearee has logs hidden
clear plume
The issue with that attitude is it quickly becomes anybody who didn’t get a good parse on first clear didn’t really clear to me
jolly flume
I mean, they cleared
but just because they cleared doesn't mean I want them in my party
clear plume
I mean more for the “didn’t deserve the clear” thing mentioned earlier
jolly flume
yea that's fair enough
dull drum
i cant believe this shit 2 hours before i gotta drive to grad and i dont have dress pants
HOW
i had it 3 weeks ago
clear plume
If I die in week 1 tyrant but my HC group does good damage so it doesn’t matter, did I deserve the clear type argument is the next step
jolly flume
dull drum
did your sister steal them sounds like something they would do
WAIT YOU’RE RIGHT
I LENT THEM TO HER FOR HER INTERVIEW
rapid whale
gg..
dull drum
its ok i’ll borrow my dads and wear a belt since hes a fucking chort so the pants are kinda big
craggy marsh
If I die in week 1 tyrant but my HC group does good damage so it doesn’t matter,...
I think the history of the player can also be a factor too methinks
craggy marsh
I'll never say someone 'doesnt deserve a clear' unless they bot
But I will think that they should go and get a second clear
rapid whale
its ok i’ll borrow my dads and wear a belt since hes a fucking chort so the pant...
the original chorts
dull drum
but just because they cleared doesn't mean I want them in my party
i dont think you remember but when i was trying to get the clear with you helping i discriminated that one monk that i think was a saus clearee and then he started spewing slurs in tells
rapid whale
LOL?
rapid whale
i wonder what % of sausage clearees ended up regretting their decision
dull drum
never gonna regret it though cause man just fired his ulti in tells like a machine gun
craggy marsh
i wonder what % of sausage clearees ended up regretting their decision
You can tell they regret it by hiding logs
stray forge
i was so drunk at graduation
dull drum
i havent drunk since japan trip
stray forge
i had to go to two ceremonies and my family insisted on coming i didnt even wanna go
u dont even get the actual degree there wilted rose emoji
dull drum
well yeah they always rush it before the grades are finalized
craggy marsh
never gonna regret it though cause man just fired his ulti in tells like a machi...
I always wonder what the daily life of people like this is
rapid whale
do you think hrothgar see miqo and get hit with uncanny valley and think they all look kinda fuggo and creepy
valid solar
crazy thing to say
craggy marsh
Do you think female highlander look at female roe and make out passionately after a few minutes
wicked delta
we nearly clean enraged fru with a bunch of c41 andies
I think I was there for that
Well not in the party my ass was just watching
rapid whale
"wouldn't it be funny if we wiped to damage right now?"
craggy marsh
Bapple you better make sure Chiyo does a 1:1 recreation of Kefka's laugh in UMAD
rapid whale
im sure we will hear plenty of brain rot voice lines in kum
@craggy marsh are you into paleo stuff too
winged spindle
Yes I found a WHM !!
Need a tank and my sHC static 
rapid whale
i just learned that crocodiles are descendants of a species that was labelled "false crocodiles" because paleo understanding wasnt complete yet and lol
modern day crocodiles are "false crocodiles" because of it
craggy marsh
I want to be into paleo stuff
winged spindle
Now I need a last tank
craggy marsh
Give me them B O N E S
rapid whale
craggy marsh
Now I need a last tank
I would put in my application if I didn't get accepted into another one 2 days ago 
craggy marsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsxgSlHt82k
winged spindle
I would put in my application if I didn't get accepted into another one 2 days a...
We speak baguette
And we're on Chaos/Light 😔
craggy marsh
But I also dont know how this group im in is
winged spindle
But I also dont know how this group im in is
Nah you'd win
craggy marsh
We speak baguette <a:pepe_laugh:1017515898870956154>
And we're on Chaos/Light �...
Oh dang
craggy marsh
Nah you'd win
They seem like a nice bunch
rapid whale
everyones nice during the application process tho lets b real
craggy marsh
On Wednesday we're doing a vibe check
rapid whale
its not until shit hits the fan that you know
craggy marsh
everyones nice during the application process tho lets b real
Ya true
wicked delta
everyones nice during the application process tho lets b real
Not me tho
craggy marsh
There were so many statics for UMAD that kep shifting the goalpost on me
winged spindle
everyones nice during the application process tho lets b real
So real, I have good feeling for all my member, now must see it's real lmao
craggy marsh
One said "Must have cleared FRU" but then that person also said "You didn't clear FRU fast enough"
That person cleared FRU 2 weeks before I did
So idk what they're on about
rapid whale
sry thats mean i should stop bringing it up
craggy marsh
maybe they just didnt wanna say 'I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY PERFORMANCE!! I HATE YOU'
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
craggy marsh
YOU'RE THE WORST STATIC LEAD EVER
rapid whale
this was my mental image as they crashed out
craggy marsh
YOUR EGO IS SO LARGE IT'S INSANE
craggy marsh
this was my mental image as they crashed out
😭
stray forge
Wth are u talking about
craggy marsh
1 year later and it's still so fucking funny dog
rapid whale
Wth are u talking about
mango was in a static that had a legendary implosion
was all over reddit/twitter
they werent directly involved in the crash out but were part of the static
so i made the joke that the reason they were getting the run aroiund was because of their reputation from being involved
stray forge
mango was in a static that had a legendary implosion
Oh that
wicked delta
That DNC was so funny
rapid whale
idk what that is but im going to laugh in order to appear smart and cultured
deep gale
Bro doesn't know
craggy marsh
idk what that is but im going to laugh in order to appear smart and cultured
That one titanic submarine
rapid whale
oh LMAO
craggy marsh
With the billionaires
rapid whale
i dont get how yu can have so much money and then not spend it on something thats gonna protect your life
craggy marsh
Billionaire aren't smart
amber fable
Merc wings and it drops in 2 kills
rapid whale
ez money
wicked delta
i dont get how yu can have so much money and then not spend it on something that...
Do you expect rich people to care for whats ethical
They just wanna save money
Even when it comes to their own lives
rapid whale
im gonna assume theres like conspiracy theories on how it was actually rival billionaires that killed them or w/e
stray forge
i dont get how yu can have so much money and then not spend it on something that...
I think no other company would take them, and afaik even the other ppl at the company said it wasn’t safe or something idr
jolly flume
the ceo said sometimes you gotta break the rules to advance science bro
rapid whale
something something world war 2
jolly flume
if they wanna break the rules a couple thousand feet of water down
well have fun
smile
sick reef
new ex will have me breaking my head in
healers cannot position orbs at all im going insane
hardy crest
how long should someone wonder if they’re the one that made the Big Mistake™ if they got the clear that pull anyway 
dull drum
weird ass warrior in friends pf the other day
rapid whale
how long should someone wonder if they’re the one that made the Big Mistake™ if ...
wdym
rapid whale
maybe they did it with static only and just adjusted based off other person
dull drum
maybe yeah
stray forge
the ceo said sometimes you gotta break the rules to advance science bro
The science (tourism)
hardy crest
wdym
just an m11s reclear where either me or one of the others bugged up a split arena tether and idk which it was
rapid whale
idk
hardy crest
We recovered but bleh
rapid whale
if you think it will help you improve to get to the bottom of it sure
if you just want a reason to beat yourself up idt its useful
unless you're into that freaky shit ig
hardy crest
That’s prolly a healthy way to think about it ye
sleek moon
if there's a log you can use it to see if you messed up
sleek moon
id put the blame on the 10 deaths at that point lol
hardy crest
if there's a log you can use it to see if you messed up
To my knowledge it doesn’t show tethers, unless there’s something I missed
sleek moon
the replay on tomestone shows your positioning
so you can tell based on where everyone else is standing if you were in the right spot
jolly flume
you can tell from a log and the casting actor who doubled up
rotund summit
tomestone pull count only counts attempts that get uploaded to the illegal website right?
dull drum
maybe they did it with static only and just adjusted based off other person
thing is they were the somewhat right area but instead of being at the marker they were at the boss ring lmao
rapid whale
tomestone pull count only counts attempts that get uploaded to the illegal websi...
no man it is a virus on your pc and checks every single pull you were ever in /s
rotund summit
im just surprised ppl are uploading logs with only wipes i guess
stray forge
Nope it interpolates the missing time between two pulls and adds its own pulls regardless if they don’t exist actually
To learn from mistakes 
amber fable
So its an ai?
dull drum
im just surprised ppl are uploading logs with only wipes i guess
i mean if you made progress past your prog point thats fine
terse zodiac
When most prog groups want to see that you are at a prog point yeah you upload wipes lol
dull drum
yeah
terse zodiac
Even if not wipe logs are valuable learning tools
sleek moon
To my knowledge it doesn’t show tethers, unless there’s something I missed
honestly i cant fully tell from the log i saw, but when in doubt blame the tank, tanks feel like they pay zero attention to tethers there
quick verge
when’s the ultimate
jolly flume
6/2
boreal pumice
2/6
sleek moon
Let’s goo
yeah its in the tooltip
look at it so you know which skills are affected by it
the main use is crit adlo -> deploy
or crit indom
trim epoch
the main use is crit adlo -> deploy
What’s deploy
sleek moon
make your single target shield really fat and then spread it
versed kayak
Just need a yes or no, is APOC shortly after UR?
rapid whale
yes
versed kayak
sweet, thanks :D
dull drum
it should be UR -> tank buster -> APOC
rapid whale
wat u want
rapid whale
lmao
vast jacinth
Im in m10s
rapid whale
my shit head sesnse are tingling
inb4 they are sending viruses to mods to try and implode the server
versed kayak
Im in m10s<:namazuconcern:685268305275256852>
They've been tagging half the mod team in various channels, I wouldnt sweat it :D
terse zodiac
why did some rando in limsa just approach me and ask to shield heal for m12s
timber stratus
times are rough
turbid haven
is exitlag legit or just another bloatware/miner that gets shilled by all these content creators
terse zodiac
i have 750 ilvl and not touched healer 😭
robust shoal
I've heard of people getting good results with lag reduction utilities bc xiv has awful routing but idk how any of them specifically perform
rapid whale
yeah i dont know enough about the topic to say definitively but i have heard ppl claim it helps at the very least with prevetning ddos
terse zodiac
cloudflares free option does the same so no point paying imo
turbid haven
My ping is good I was just curious since alot of youtubers shill it, most of the time heavily advertised things turn out to be bloatware or something that has other intentions like collecting data
rapid whale
I forget what it was but one of them ended up turning your PC into a crypto miner
Some sports got in trouble for that too iirc
Like their video player was straight up a crypto mining program that ran while the video was up
versed kayak
and since cloudflare MITMs half the internet anyway it doesn't even matter if they collect your data :D
stray forge
Cloud flare knows I look at bunny pictures 
dull drum
imagine if ddoses only affect NA again and JP wins the world race for umad
versed kayak
imagine if ddoses only affect NA again and JP wins the world race for umad
they'll just get disqualified for cheats again
rapid whale
im sure theppl who played on lucrezia will still forma group
i thought it was just the leadership that got the boot
like a manager position
sleek moon
iirc it was the opposite, the leader that has been in lucrezia since forever stayed and like 5? people left
tough gorge
yeah a bunch of people left lucrezia
idk how many it was, but it was definitely a bunch
made announcements on twitter and all
I vaguely remember there being some kind of disagreement about the 9th men
trim epoch
Oh
Scholar had another gauge
No wonder it felt like my healing abilities were falling off at lvl 73 
sinful brook
Not really
trim epoch
Wha?
sinful brook
Fairy gauge doesn't do that much lol
trim epoch
Oh
sinful brook
It's only for fey union
trim epoch
Well, must be equipment issue again
trim epoch
Oh yea
sleek moon
No wonder it felt like my healing abilities were falling off at lvl 73 <a:ThisIs...
those two dungeons are a bit harder to heal than pretty much anything else tbh, especially if you get terrible tanks
tulip wraith
i had a pull a few days ago in the 71 dungeon where my tank just crumpled on the first pull
sleek moon
did he grab the bear
tulip wraith
albeit i was on sage and im very rusty with the job, but still a dangerous pull
tulip wraith
did he grab the bear
yurp
sleek moon
any inexperienced tank getting the third pack there will disintegrate
id rather heal the 5-pack pull of gulg vs that first holmister pull
shy obsidian
when does one even use fae union
uncut pebble
what mechs do you see in unsynced p11
sinful brook
Last I did it in cw you killed at like 4m
So I assume the first mech before 2m and then it dies
iron jewel
would plan on seeing Shadowed Messengers if you're in pf.
or at least, that's about what I saw last time I was in there which I can't remember if that was before or after 7.4 released.
tepid briar
I've heard of people getting good results with lag reduction utilities bc xiv ha...
use cloudflare warp, if it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't
any of the "paid" lag reduction stuff is all shilling
nobody is going to have better routing than cloudflare
tepid briar
imagine if ddoses only affect NA again and JP wins the world race for umad
waiting for OCE to get coincidentally DDOSed once NA moves over
uncut pebble
all dat for +2 dmg
shadow pilot
Huge
tulip anvil
all dat for +2 dmg
why is your job crystal on the top with your weapon, what plogon is that
uncut pebble
why is your job crystal on the top with your weapon, what plogon is that
photoshop
tulip anvil
is it part of simple tweaks?
uncut pebble
uhh i need to see
uncut pebble
is it part of simple tweaks?
yes
tulip anvil
thx
uncut pebble
visual geyser
Holy Ramiel upscale LMAOO
@craggy marsh I see now
I haven’t been able to watch the film because I kept getting eepy that’s hilarious
zealous meteor
all dat for +2 dmg
what's the random ktisis drop for
uncut pebble
shadowless
uncut pebble
yea
visual geyser
Model reuse bby
teal hill
Does anyone else feel like Evercold will be one of the best expansions ever or one of the worst expansions ever, and there's going to be very space in-between
zealous meteor
my prediction is that it will be an expansion of all time
visual geyser
Real!
It doesn’t matter what it is
Good bad
Dawntrail discourse will still happen
zealous meteor
Dawntrail discourse will still happen
the illusion of free choice
dull drum
Does anyone else feel like Evercold will be one of the best expansions ever or o...
could honestly go to either extreme depending on how they do evolved
teal hill
To the oldheads in chat:
Is Evolved Mode similiar to how ARR-Heavensward combat system was? i've only started playing during Shadowbringers
proper cave
No not even close
tough violet
From what it looks like (simplicity wise) it's looking like the different between regular play and pvp. But we've only seen a little bit, so pending updates per fanfest.
teal hill
Is anyone here actually going to stick with Reborn mode?
genuine question, not being sarcastic
shy obsidian
it all depends on how the meta goes...
craggy marsh
Is anyone here actually going to stick with Reborn mode?
Depends on how evolved feels to play
teal hill
I mean we already know Evolve will be stronger
craggy marsh
Ye
But not by how much
Personally I think they shouldn't have said evolved would do more damage
sinful brook
we have no numbers
and someones gonna cook something fierce lol
like prepull doton
craggy marsh
Prepull doton was magical
sleek moon
im going with whatever feels best, not whatever is strongest
sinful brook
like it doesn't matter if evolved does more damage if someone plays it like shit anyways lol
or you're still playing summoner and it doesn't really do more than a picto regardless
tall field
Personally I think they shouldn't have said evolved would do more damage
This yeah
teal hill
Damage is not gonna be the only thing that matters
sleek moon
like that, i played rdm this tier, i could have gone blm for more damage, but i wanted to rdm
i see evolved/reborn as a similar choice
tall field
That said given new jobs are 100% evolved
teal hill
Evo Dragoon having a borderline invuln every minute is already strong enough to make it better than Reborn.
tall field
Is likely many will try that
sinful brook
Evo Dragoon having a borderline invuln every minute is already strong enough to ...
doesn't make a difference if you get a damage down anyways lol
craggy marsh
9.0 will probably be evolved mode only going forward for all jobs but who knows
teal hill
doesn't make a difference if you get a damage down anyways lol
Damage Down > Death
sinful brook
or if you try to damage reduction the thing that does 10mil damage
teal hill
It's shrimple
sleek moon
lets be honest, viper and picto were pretty close to that, they both have pvp combos in their gcds and people were fine lol
sinful brook
its not because the damage down means you don't meet checks anymore
and in some fights
vestal hollow
Evo Dragoon having a borderline invuln every minute is already strong enough to ...
we have zero idea what content will look like in terms of design
tall field
In chaotic 4 dd= as good as dead
vestal hollow
also fuckall is final
craggy marsh
Ya in ults DD is a actually awful
vestal hollow
acting like this is final design is silly
craggy marsh
In savage you can manage sometimes
teal hill
Eh
I actually don't think it's going to be that impactful in Evolved mode
for the simple fact I think Evolved mode will just have higher consistent damage across the board
sleek moon
how do you know that
teal hill
If you get a DD during buff windows right now you're fucked
sinful brook
idk what to tell you
sleek moon
reborn mode wont have buffs either
teal hill
But it's all very individualized
tall field
Buff wot
teal hill
reborn mode wont have buffs either
I should have specified not for Evolved moed specifically but 8.0
teal hill
Why are we going striaght to 90% damage downs
I'm not saying you're gonna eat every mechanic
sinful brook
because those are the ones that do something
to you even if you survive the mech lol
teal hill
I actually never checked how big the damage down stacks are, I thought it was like 25%
sinful brook
rn for dds in savage 1 or 2 aren't a huge deal because they're between 35-55%
teal hill
Or 15%
jolly flume
final floors are 50%
sinful brook
they're like 95%
jolly flume
ultimates are you just die
sinful brook
you're better off dying at that point
teal hill
I actually had no idea that damagedowns depended on the fight
sinful brook
because weakness is only 25%
tall field
Wasn't m4s lower than m3s dd though?
craggy marsh
final floors are 50%
Im ngl I was unaware different floors had different DD percentages
sleek moon
its more like different bosses have different %
teal hill
Anyway someone asked why do I know that Evolved is going to do more baseline damage
It's because they said it
tall field
Iirc m4 dd wasnt 50
sleek moon
idk if any recent boss applies slow (not heavy) but slow is another that varies per boss
teal hill
Potencies are higher in Evolved Mode to compensate for less oGCDs
teal hill
idk if any recent boss applies slow (not heavy) but slow is another that varies ...
I haven't played Dawntrail at all but doesn't the new Trial apply slow?
sinful brook
idk i think its also
sleek moon
for the simple fact I think Evolved mode will just have higher consistent damage...
no you said evolved would do higher consistent damage
sinful brook
important to do content where it would impact you before you have this conversation too
tall field
Rn bulwark got deleted based on na fanfest
teal hill
no you said evolved would do higher consistent damage
Based on the present kits, yeah
sleek moon
consistent being the keyword here
sinful brook
like whats the point in commenting about it if all you do is dungeons and damage doesn't matter there lol
tall field
And also no goring blade/ scorn
teal hill
Even if Reborn is without buffs, if it's kept even remotely similiar in flow
sleek moon
i wouldnt use the term consistent until we know more
craggy marsh
I think it's funny how the newest ex has only 1 spot you can get a damage down
teal hill
Reborn will still play like it's in 2 minutes even if there are no more 2 minute buffs
tall field
I think it's funny how the newest ex has only 1 spot you can get a damage down
You think pf can do that phase consistently
teal hill
Evolved meawhile gets a burst either every 45 seconds to every minute
tall field
I always got dd 60% of the time
sleek moon
some reborn jobs are 60 mins bursts
tall field
My clear run we killed add at 98 enrage
sinful brook
you're also overextrapolating the small bits they showed
sleek moon
like again, im just saying you're assuming way too much
teal hill
Well it's a statement of intention
sinful brook
without knowing how the rest of the kit works
teal hill
They showed those jobs to give us an idea of how the philosophy is going to be
sinful brook
also no numbers exist rn
teal hill
Eeh, there are, but of course they're very temporary due to being in testing
sinful brook
philosophy/intent =/= execution
teal hill
For example, Evolved jobs just have a faster GCD right now than Reborn
Dragoon is like 2.20 GCD and their Stardiver combo is like 1.5
Well more like 2.25 if I want to be more precise
jolly flume
evolved job gets you pregnant
craggy marsh
Finally
teal hill
evolved job makes it ok to eat dd?
No, not really, that's just what people thought
I was saying that in Evolved mode, there's gonna be things that make a Job stronger than their Reborn counterpart that ISN'T raw damage
For example, Dragoon having a huge DR every minute with their burst
tall field
What abt pld losing bulwark
sinful brook
yeah and i pointed out that the DR doesn't matter if you still get damage down
or if you try it during a 10mil damage instance
craggy marsh
Well that DR wont matter if there's no mechanics really happening during that period
It's not like there's gonna be constant mechs
teal hill
Well considering how they've explained that the 2 min meta was destroying fight design
I wouldn't be so sure about that
tall field
They will keep enrages though
sinful brook
so i think its silly to extrapolate based on lack of experience
tall field
So you can't just... yolo
craggy marsh
And also the DR wont matter if you're trying to not get hit
teal hill
They will keep enrages though
Good thing I wasn't arguing otherwise
jolly flume
what they said about the 2 minute meta
rapid whale
No, not really, that's just what people thought
who is people
jolly flume
doesn't even really make that much sense
craggy marsh
The DR is neat but it doesnt matter since eating an attack gives you a DD anyway
teal hill
doesn't even really make that much sense
Bro thinks they know better than the literal designers of the game
Okay man
whole estuary
The devs are wrong regularly enough
sleek moon
again you're taking a WIP, a proof of concept, as if it was the final thing, things can change A LOT between now and release
teal hill
The devs are wrong regularly enough
I really don't know how hard it is to comprehend
They said the 2 minute meta was screwing up the way they design fights
They're getting rid of the 2 minute meta
The fight design is gonna shift
It's just an objective statement of what they said
sleek moon
you can speculate but just keep in mind that everything you've seen can go in a complete different direction, because it has before, and thats just between media tour and release
between NA fanfest and release even more can change
whole estuary
Sounds reasonable enough
jolly flume
Bro thinks they know better than the literal designers of the game
bro thinks yoship is a designer and also thinks yoship is correct in everything he says
tall field
Ig did dt do changes like that?
craggy marsh
between NA fanfest and release even more can change
And who knows how old the build they showed off was
tall field
What they showed vs what we got
teal hill
bro thinks yoship is a designer and also thinks yoship is correct in everything ...
Bro thinks YoshiP is hte only person developing or deciding the game
Like come on
craggy marsh
bro thinks yoship is a designer and also thinks yoship is correct in everything ...
Endsinger EX is totally savage level difficulty
jolly flume
I don't have time for the willfully ignorant
gn
if you haven't done enough fights to see the contradictions in their statements
don't bother talking about them
craggy marsh
Wait I recognize this name isn't this the person who said story skip players are bad or something
teal hill
Yeah man it's not like everyone and hteir mothers was complaining how you could notice that sometimes the boss just did nothing while you were doing your 2 minute burst
It's not even gone yet and I'm already seeing 2 min meta apologea
teal hill
Wait I recognize this name isn't this the person who said story skip players are...
Nope, not what I said
tall field
The issue with 2 mins imo was you had to conform to it. Else well you would get shafted. Ig that's why 6.3 pld plays very differently
craggy marsh
The issue with 2 mins imo was you had to conform to it. Else well you would get...
I still can't believe they let 6.0 PLD happen
Took them half the expansion to make PLD function with the 2 min shift
teal hill
The problem with the 2 min meta is that it's totalizing
It screws up nearly every apsect of the combat system
If you die you get unsynched in a way that can't be recovered, if you get a DD during burst window you're omegafucked, if downtime happens during your 2 minute burst you're fucked so the fights can't allow for downtime
Why do you think we had mega boss circles for melee during Endwalker
terse zodiac
Had nothing to do with 2m ill tell you that
tall field
Dt reverted
teal hill
I know, and that's a good thing
tall field
And dt also is 2min
vestal hollow
Bro thinks they know better than the literal designers of the game
damn youre a designer?
teal hill
From everything I've seen DT is an improvement over Endwalker in terms of raw combat design
terse zodiac
We had mega hitboxes bc melees whined about having to keep uptime and they listened then realized no friction is bad
sleek moon
Yeah man it's not like everyone and hteir mothers was complaining how you could ...
idk how many fights you've done, but the majority of fights do not care about 2 mins, something is almost always happening during 2 mins burst
teal hill
idk how many fights you've done, but the majority of fights do not care about 2 ...
Argue with the devs who made that image then
sleek moon
no im arguing with you
because this is a matter of experience
it doesnt matter what they say if you do a savage fight and the boss is clearly doing mechanics during 2 mins burst
craggy marsh
Doing absolutely nothing
Shinryu phase 2 is still one of my favorite phases thematically. But mechanically and gameplay wise it's ass
tall field
Thematically yes
teal hill
no im arguing with you
You're not, because I'm just factualyl reporting what they said
tall field
Running on him was just cool
sleek moon
and im telling you it doesnt matter what they say, what matters is what is actually happening in the game
teal hill
Feel free to say they're wrong, I'm not the one making the claim
tall field
Phase 1 was so good even mechanically
terse zodiac
Its silly to argue about it bc the point isnt that every 2 minutes the boss just sits there and does nothing
sleek moon
chiyo tried to correct you and you jumped to saying he knows more than the devs
tall field
Hey staring contest
craggy marsh
Whoever decided that we should climb onto Shinryu's tail and use it to run onto the other platform deserved a raise
terse zodiac
Its that they have to design around job rotation cadence, sometimes putting mechs on burst to make it harder, sometimes having the boss stare at you for 30s
tall field
P8s flameviper
teal hill
Exactly
tall field
Surely creative
terse zodiac
In case of ultimate, phase lengths have to be designed around certain amount of bursts
teal hill
The point was that the 2 min meta constrained design
Which it objectively did
They said so, multiple times
sleek moon
that part isnt disputed, the part where "the boss stares at you until your burst is done" is the one disputed
vestal hollow
You're not, because I'm just factualyl reporting what they said
you are reporting the exact opposite of what was said actually
teal hill
that part isnt disputed, the part where "the boss stares at you until your burst...
It's an exaggeration of course, but one I can think of from the raids I've seen is Brute Bomber just chugging his drink coincidentally exactly when the 2 minute burst happens
robust shoal
the devs said the scions would be divided in dawntrail, too
teal hill
the devs said the scions would be divided in dawntrail, too
Bro what are we even talking about here
vestal hollow
It's an exaggeration of course, but one I can think of from the raids I've seen ...
so one example out of 15 encounters?
tall field
That was the best lie
robust shoal
there are some times when the boss isn't doing much when a 2min burst happens, but there are plenty of times when they are
teal hill
so one example out of 15 encounters?
Can you talk like a normal person and not like a shitstirrer, thank you.
vestal hollow
there are some times when the boss isn't doing much when a 2min burst happens, b...
m10s bursts lmao
rapid whale
wat
rapid whale
Can you talk like a normal person and not like a shitstirrer, thank you.
just for reference sake wat content have u done
tall field
Scions Will be divided
vestal hollow
Can you talk like a normal person and not like a shitstirrer, thank you.
I am speaking normally. You're coming at everyone here with more experience than you.
tall field
WOW I GET TO DUEL VS THEM NOW
LETS GOO... oh
Nvm this was a joke in the end
Just a dungeon interaction huh
teal hill
This isn't my first rodeo with this kind of pointless arguement
vestal hollow
m3s is an infamous "nothing happens for most of the fight" encounter that is not indicative of the rest of the arcadion by any means, and you are misinterpreting the slides.
teal hill
m3s is an infamous "nothing happens for most of the fight" encounter that is not...
Do you even know what was the original point I was arguing about
Or are you just lashing out randomly
craggy marsh
the devs said the scions would be divided in dawntrail, too
We're gonna take the fight to the garlean empire
Dw
robust shoal
literally the first savage fight of the expac was notorious for misaligning your burst because you could get yeeted into the air right when your stuff came off cd
dull drum
i bet the plot twist of evercold is that its not actually cold
thoughts on my theory chat
vestal hollow
Do you even know what was the original point I was arguing about
I can read. Ad homineming me will not help your argument, try again.
rapid whale
yea this is why i was asking what content have the ydone
robust shoal
most of the locations they showed off seemed warm
teal hill
My whole point was:
"The fight design is going to shift in 8.0 because they removed the 2 minute meta"
That's it
tall field
literally the first savage fight of the expac was notorious for misaligning your...
I hated this so much
I prayed pls don't yeet me
Pls
noooooooooo
teal hill
If you want to argue against "The fight designs are going to feel different in 8.0 than in previous expansions"
Go right ahead
Please don't argue against points I've never made
We good? We good.
rapid whale
i just wanna know what fights u have actually done
teal hill
i just wanna know what fights u have actually done
Like, in general?
teal hill
A good number of Extremes back in the SHadowbringers days, a few Extremes and most Savages in Endwalker.
Oh wait opposite
Most Extremes and few savages
Sorry it's late
rapid whale
ic
teal hill
At a certain point I realized some people here are just arguementative hotheads adn I don't wanna get ragebaited into that level anymore 
rapid whale
if you say so
dapper zealot
My argument is that bapple is a stinky pooppyhead
vestal hollow
At a certain point I realized some people here are just arguementative hotheads ...
👍
rapid whale
My argument is that bapple is a stinky pooppyhead
tall field
most of the locations they showed off seemed warm
Those were the days where HG had the godawful 0.36s animation delay
Until 7.1 finally saved us
By reducing the time to effect applied
I mean during LHW
south obsidian
yo end game lounge i didnt know we had one of these
wassss gooood my fellow raiders
how do you do
dapper zealot
jolly flume
yo end game lounge i didnt know we had one of these
jolly flume
Yeah man it's not like everyone and hteir mothers was complaining how you could ...
let me spell it out for you real simple ok
sometimes dev put 2 min on full mechanical downtime: player disappointed because boring
sometimes dev put 2 min during mechanic where you do thing: player happy because engaging
dev limit themselves arbitrarily even though player ask for more engaging burst window
therefore problem not with job design, is with fight design
dev create problem, dev then nuke something unrelated to problem, uninformed player believe dev because they don't have critical thinking skill
proven pivot
What’s a moe
rapid whale
Moe money moe problems
dull drum
wtf is wrong with my game
it says my ping is constant 30 but my gcds feel as delayed as 120+
dull drum
wtf is inc act
sleek moon
including act
tall field
dev create problem, dev then nuke something unrelated to problem, uninformed pla...
Devs: lets nerf viper aoe
Also devs: lets buff viper back to the original
I am truly a problem solver
But that said fight design is the true culprit behind
Why are tanks like gods in dungeons
Or why healers want to heal more in normal content.
clear plume
let me spell it out for you real simple ok
sometimes dev put 2 min on full mech...
Tbf, a lot of this is that different people like that or not, like there was actually so many ninja who would swap off the job if tcj wasn’t free even when it was overperforming,
tepid briar
my new "it's not that hard dude" is act 1 m12s p1
clear plume
The top 1% of players like unique burst windows, everybody else considers doing burst difficult enough by itself to be engaging to them outside of mechanics
torn mesa
NIN is less popular than VPR in all of DT, despite being better in every fight not named M6S
shy obsidian
new job moment
loud swift
shy obsidian
unfortunately I do vibe with viper's playstyle more 😔
uncut pebble
my new "it's not that hard dude" is act 1 m12s p1
act 1 m12s p1 is impossible lowkey
tepid briar
act 1 m12s p1 is impossible lowkey
act 2 is my current pain point
cause the timing is so wonky
act 1 is the cone
amber fable
Act 2 is remembering when to be mid if beta
And tower spot if alpha
Beta takes tower too but its one at a time so its easier to remember
tall field
Same reason whm was popular no?
And before plenary got a mit
Ppl like easy jobs yea
Tbh if i ever want fight design i would like moments where jobs get to shine based on their kit
Like how warrior in ex6 was famous for very different reasons
And so were the others in their own way
Then again ex6 is S tier fight in DT so
shy obsidian
everybody seems to love the train
boreal pumice
everybody seems to love the train
i like trains
shy obsidian
btw how hard is it to heal and mitigate the lazy revelation stuff
dapper zealot
surely it would be easier with higher ilvl now
robust shoal
shouldn't be difficult
you can only get hit twice
so you can only get hit with a vuln once
shy obsidian
surely it would be easier with higher ilvl now
it is pretty relaxing now lol
ngl i kinda miss when we actually took the effort to dodge the stuff lol
it was fun panicking
but since I'm on da wing grind, perhaps the lazy strat is the best for my sanity lol
amber fable
Lazy was best week 1 too
tulip wraith
would people bother joining p8/12n unsync just for TT card farm or should i just queue for it
amber fable
Normal mode..doubt it
dapper zealot
dog shit game, red got the final gold node so I just fed them to end the game quicker
dapper zealot
had to do another match just to feel better
tall field
everybody seems to love the train
Train is reading this endgame lounge talk of braindead AR
I do admire his happiness when he finishes intermission
Rare instance of train smiling
tulip wraith
Normal mode..doubt it
yeah...
i got a pretty quick fill for gilded araya for that card
but its really a special trial so makes sense
maybe i add the DT trials im missing too just to add more variety
shy obsidian
big-ass forehead
finite plank
teal hill
let me spell it out for you real simple ok
sometimes dev put 2 min on full mech...
Let me ask you a question: Do you like the 2 minute meta?
winged spindle
Let me ask you a question: Do you like the 2 minute meta?
My friend HATE it
He said that we are formatted like robot to do 2min then nothing until our 1min, then nothing until our 2min
tender jolt
idk how you dont realise that salty summed it up perfectly
they dug their own grave, nerfing the shovel is a functional approach but not a particularly smart one
id also point to the multiple fights that dont simplify themselves for 2min windows (sugar riot adds, both water/firesnakings, rep 2, kind of idyllic) but from what i've seen you don't know about those and thus don't care, so
wicked delta
My issue with the 2 min meta is purely because of the impact it has on jobs, devs saying it constricts them in fight design is pure cope and I literally do not believe them lol
tender jolt
consequence of the design team having an allergy to doing anything unsafe
like i dont doubt it restricts them on fight design
but brother You Made The Game
wicked delta
Nuking the entire thing is easier than looking into why things ended up this way
I don’t particularly care. I just want the game to be fun
But Yoshi P says a lot of things. Doesn’t necessarily make those things true lol
tender jolt
id like to say that attitude is potentially on the out because all the reworks to core stuff in evercold is stuff i'd never imagine them doing cause of it being 'unsafe'
but i guess we'll see
visual geyser
My issue with the 2 min meta is purely because of the impact it has on jobs, dev...
I mean you can look at the fights lol
wicked delta
It’s cope
visual geyser
How?
wicked delta
Emu already gave some examples of fights that do not function in that manner
The fights where it’s painfully apparent are ultimates
visual geyser
Well yea…it’s game design principles tend to work like that lol
wicked delta
Savages do not have those constrictions most of the time
visual geyser
There’s a lot of fights in the game that it does apply too
wicked delta
I never said it didn’t apply ever
I said that it was their choice to do things this way
visual geyser
Just because there’s exceptions doesn’t mean the devs dont take the 2 minute window into account lol
wicked delta
Even though it’s clear that they are able to not do that
It’s a self inflicted issue
visual geyser
Well yea that’s how the encounter design philosophy always works
Like big hitboxes was something that didn’t apply to every fight but it was a principle the devs kept in mind all of EW
Doesn’t mean there wasn’t bosses in EW with smaller hitboxes
wicked delta
Because they’re complacent and kind of stupid lol. They apologized for that stuff for a reason
tender jolt
the combat design team have a terminal issue with addressing elephants in rooms. changing job design because 'it restricts fights' isn't addressing any elephants, it's still ignoring the elephant and just building a new room
visual geyser
What’s the element in the room for encounter design
kind elm
like im happy job design is changing personally, but that was not what was making fights have Downtime for Damage™
visual geyser
Feel like the changes they made this expansion were all well liked
wicked delta
Arcadion fight design has been praised across all tiers (well LHW was a little yikes but still pretty well loved) because they weren’t as afraid to push mechanics into 2 min buff windows and actually thought of new things
visual geyser
Faster pace, smaller hitboxes, less debuff watching
wicked delta
But instead of taking this further they just decide to nuke 2 min window instead
visual geyser
I don’t really have complaints
wicked delta
While that wasn’t necessarily the problem
tender jolt
What’s the element in the room for encounter design
'we're too scared to piss anyone off by changing anything'
visual geyser
They did change a lot tho
rapid whale
i think a lot of the lhw fights were fine it was the tuning that made it giga yikes, double digit deaths in week 1 clears
kind elm
like i am happy that the 2min is exploding but the reason for it being that it restricts fight design is just kinda not true
kind elm
i like the change, i do not like the reason they gave
tender jolt
scope of change is relative
wicked delta
Their reasoning is just bullshit to me
rapid whale
m6s 2min during cactus was
tender jolt
ding ding
tender jolt
nobody loses sleep over death of 2min meta if it's replaced with something engaging
but the given reason is
what
wicked delta
m6s 2min during cactus was
I did that as a melee once and I hated my life
Cus the tanks were moving Sugar Riot around like terrorists
😭😭
kind elm
drk 2min greeding while you are one of the defams was fucking 
tender jolt
i think there was one cactus pattern where i could feasibly use all my grass
kind elm
sneaking the last bloodspiller, stepping out, shadowstride in without clipping
fucking cinema
visual geyser
I think losing the 2 minute window is gonna be a big be careful what you wish for moment
Gonna be funny
wicked delta
Thats the case with literally everything
tender jolt
well if they cant replace it with something good thats not an issue of losing 2min overreliance that's an issue of they cant make changes that work
wicked delta
People are gonna hate it but they’ll get used to it at some point
jade nimbus
Everyone will become a selfish dps (outside maybe dancer) so it will become a case to how well you can pull your rotation in relation to the fight
rapid whale
i think there was one cactus pattern where i could feasibly use all my grass
if by grass you mean pct there was a spot for each of the patterns
but yea
i disagree that 2min meta made it inherently bad
tender jolt
you're probs right ngl
i never actually tried to solve it i just eyeballed it
rapid whale
most of them were like, ever so slightly nw
visual geyser
Everyone will become a selfish dps (outside maybe dancer) so it will become a ca...
Yea when everyone’s a selfish dps and they start wondering why their reaper can’t do more damage than DRG
tender jolt
yeah
rapid whale
you would have to go out for 1 gcd w/ hammer then finish it before using the rainbow/ 2 hammers to get to your clock spot
tender jolt
Yea when everyone’s a selfish dps and they start wondering why their reaper can’...
well in a well-designed world the answer should be 'because they're garbage'
visual geyser
Gonna be funny seeing jobs complain they aren’t doing better dps than other jobs with evolved making every job simpler
wicked delta
Reaper was better than drg for exactly 1 tier
rapid whale
rpr on top rn (off patch kekw)
wicked delta
So nobody would be shocked
tender jolt
and then we get back to actually good class design like shadowbringers smn where it was possible to be bad at it
rapid whale
realistically speaking tho since rpr only on top during test dummy, it was a pre emptive buff to make it not total dog in the ulti
tender jolt
i played pictomancer. i had my time in the sun. it will never reoccur and i'm fine with that
jade nimbus
As for the 2 minute, I'm kinda ok with buffs being gone
visual geyser
lol when all jobs are pure damage you’ll see others complain about why their job does less damage than x
rapid whale
yea launch pct has to be the biggest gap between rank 1 and rank 2 job in history
iirc a 25 parsing pct did more rdps than the rank 1 2nd place job, drg
visual geyser
And there wouldn’t be reason behind why x does less damage than x without utility
jade nimbus
It also will be interesting to see how now dying affects future fights, cause it won't be as bad as dying during 2 min or shortly before it
wicked delta
I don’t like the concept of them removing buffs
I hope some jobs are allowed to keep them
But most of the jobs that have them rn dont need that shit
rapid whale
it amkes me wonder if we're gonna get some rly funky shit if dnc keeps devilment
visual geyser
Yea the encounter design wasn’t the only reason why they removed the 2 minute window either
jade nimbus
I realistically think only dancer will keep some of its buffs
visual geyser
Dying during one and your entire rotation being fucked and misaligned was another one
rapid whale
eg staggered potion timings between the melee so say opener m1 gets dp + devilment, then at 2min m2 gets it etc
jade nimbus
And most jobs will keep their self buffs
wicked delta
I see dancer and astro keeping them
visual geyser
I think rdm will get utility
wicked delta
Ast without buffs would be weird as fuck
visual geyser
Not a damage buff but utility
tender jolt
eg staggered potion timings between the melee so say opener m1 gets dp + devilm...
that kinda just happens anyway alr with viper
jade nimbus
Ast cards? Ye, I can see that
rapid whale
watch astro card get turned into one of those "changes based on target"
visual geyser
AST cards can be interesting again
visual geyser
watch astro card get turned into one of those "changes based on target"
Not mad at this
Well
wicked delta
That would be horrible
jade nimbus
it amkes me wonder if we're gonna get some rly funky shit if dnc keeps devilment
Nah, it is probably out of the window
tender jolt
AST cards can be interesting again
dt rework was the perfect opportunity to bring back royal road and they didn't bother, i wouldn't hold your breath
visual geyser
Idk kinda weird to choose between it
jade nimbus
I think dancer will have its buffs switched for buffs they have to keep on the entire fight
Like standard step
visual geyser
Idek what royal road does
tender jolt
Idk kinda weird to choose between it
consequence of card rework
tender jolt
close enough
visual geyser
They probably give Astro rng cards back tho
tender jolt
yeah
wicked delta
It was the only way I could think of to describe that shit lmao
visual geyser
That’s the one where you have everyone the balance right
jade nimbus
At the core of dancer there is the dance partner, so they'll have to keep that, but stuff like devilment wouldn't work
wicked delta
Balance was the most optimal
Yeah
You could do other cards but there was basically no reason to
tender jolt
royal road w older card system was pretty ass because you had to hope to pull a balance for optimal usage
they couldve brought it back with new system
would've made the new system less garbage
more interactions
visual geyser
New system is whatever
wicked delta
Deleting AST’s rng was pretty cringe
Royal road could’ve been a nice way to add a lil spice to it
visual geyser
Thought the EW? One where every card was damage was stupid
rapid whale
im kinda curious how they r gonna handle sch like, are they gonna lean into the pet side
tender jolt
Royal road could’ve been a nice way to add a lil spice to it
Or at least something to do with your time
as it is, you dont even need to gaf about what cards you get
visual geyser
They’ll probably make the pet a targeting thing
Like a placable thing
Like lily bell
tender jolt
really hope they don't fuck up scholar. it's the one vestige of good era summoner left
wicked delta
Is it not already placable
tender jolt
yes, and you should do so in most fights
wicked delta
Most scholars I know just send the fucker to middle
visual geyser
I mean it doesn’t matter where you place it does it lol
rapid whale
it is but the ranges on healer stuff is so big u rarely ever have to place it anywhere but dead center of arena
visual geyser
It’s healing range is the entire arena don’t it
rapid whale
yea
wicked delta
I guess they should nerf it a bit lol
tender jolt
it's in your interests to place it rather than let it wander
rapid whale
yea more consistent behavior
visual geyser
They’ll probably make it smaller and then have it be a thing you actually think about
zealous meteor
it's in your interests to place it rather than let it wander
free range carbuncle
jade nimbus
Mhm, I doubt they'll mess with the healer range
tender jolt
free range carbuncle
anyone here remember type shit you used to do on e8 and e11 to desync devotion from its ability
visual geyser
They could for the pet
jade nimbus
That was the whole point of the change back in ew
visual geyser
Everything else would be the same
wicked delta
I hope they mess with healer range anyway
jade nimbus
Like the fairy was kinda demoted to a turret to avoid pet jank
visual geyser
Scholar doesn’t have an identity outside of being shields and broken lol
wicked delta
The bubbles are insanely huge lmao
tender jolt
i'm still furious about what they did to summoner in endwalker
absolutely unforgivable dework
wicked delta
For jobs like AST I dont actually mind that much
But why is SCH’s bubble so fucking big
Lmao
rapid whale
iirc soil was unironically bigger than the m8s p1 platform
zealous meteor
they should make evolved sch identical to current sch
the jank is its whole identity 
visual geyser
Scholar is supposed to be a taction
versed kayak
They’ll probably make it smaller and then have it be a thing you actually think ...
Gonna wait an see how BST plays, and depending on that they'll either delete the fairy as pet or keep it
zealous meteor
iirc soil was unironically bigger than the m8s p1 platform
sacred soil covers the entire arena in M8N so probably yeah
visual geyser
Let them think about how to use their fairy lol
jade nimbus
Healer skills got bigger to account for fights sending you to separate parts of the Arena iirc
tender jolt
i'd like to hold out hope that reborn smn might be something entirely different and more like shadowbringers, and they just make evolved smn what it currently is
but
visual geyser
Brother
rapid whale
tru i cant imagine doing fixed tethers with smaller healer range
tender jolt
they probably think current smn is good and fine so chances of that are slim to fuck
rapid whale
plenty of healers forget the corner players exist
jade nimbus
I think it was a trade of 'bigger range allows them to be more flexible on mechanics'
visual geyser
You are never getting that smn back bro
wicked delta
they probably think current smn is good and fine so chances of that are slim to ...
Their opinions don’t matter
Players love current smn
versed kayak
i'd like to hold out hope that reborn smn might be something entirely different ...
other way around if anything, I don't expect them to change reborn much besides removing party buffs
wicked delta
All old smn players have already moved onto other jobs
visual geyser
It’s been like 5 years
jade nimbus
Which you kinda saw already back in ew with p10 and p12, and then they went wild with m1 to m12 fights
tender jolt
'ah yes let's take the most fun to optimise and skill expressive job in the game and turn it into the worst lego eater, very reasonable'
tender jolt
the fact i could do 5 times the damage of a crap smn player was not the game's problem