#endgame-lounge

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dusk sky
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…or did Argath have inverted command markers, no because the God of Lies is the tell for that, yeah?

zealous meteor
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the tell is red eyes vs blue eyes, and a "god of lies" buff on the boss iirc

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i rely on the eyes but i'm pretty sure there's another way to tell so colourblind people aren't completely fucked

dusk sky
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Yeah, with the angel mask screen flash or the devil mask screen flash, I think the active mask actually floats into his neck slot but I’ve never looked up on that fight

thin tartan
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only need melee

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ok we fill

kind elm
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stream

dusk sky
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Damn I hope the dancing mad weapons have the question mark effect

robust shoal
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I'm guessing they'll have feathers

jade nimbus
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prob depends on the way the last form looks

tough gorge
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my thought was the forsaken vfx

dusk sky
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I was thinkin’ alternating the elements of celestriad and the circling question marks

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Not like this game can do random particles, but prob something alternating after TOP and FRU

tough gorge
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top is the only one with alternating vfx p sure

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every other ult is just one colour

dusk sky
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Oh I thought FRU’s flipped between white wings and black wings, mb

tough gorge
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it's got both white and black in one vfx

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top alternates between them

robust shoal
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top particle effects are peam but they also don't match most glams very well

random needle
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I think the jobs with 2 weapons should have gotten effects like the Sage wings

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Like, look at this

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dusk sky
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Well like, not like it actually alternates it’s just a more complex animation loop, if they could I’d love the chance the Kefka weapons draw the trolling particle instead

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But I’ll settle for just having some ??? in the particle loop copingway

rapid whale
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viper should have gotten p5 weapons

robust shoal
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that would be really funny because the p5 weapons are the eden's gate drk swords

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but I'm here for it

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that would actually look so cool

rapid whale
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o were they? i had no idea lmao

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i just assumed they gave custom models

robust shoal
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it's also the sword gaia has in e2

fresh musk
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how is the unsync chaotic alliance raid

robust shoal
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you kill end of p2 and can prolly survive an extra tower whiff

fresh musk
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oh so its way easier now

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lol i dont remember the fight sadly

rapid whale
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Iirc the guaranteed hair and mounts are only in mine mode tho

robust shoal
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yeah

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more rewards vs easier clears

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theoretically you could get penta crafted for min ilvl which would be a huge edge

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but most people prolly don't have theirs hanging around any more

boreal pumice
fresh musk
robust shoal
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yeah

fresh musk
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u kill it before or after swap?

robust shoal
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swap is mid p2

boreal pumice
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near the start of phase 3 itl be like 10% ish but then you got the adds dmg adding to that so itl be like on 1% as its goes into p3

queen raft
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Wtf is this luck MiqoteDepressed

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stray forge
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game knows you steal hats this is just karma

fresh musk
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wait

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i might be able to just buy the chestpiece

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lmaoo thank god i actually already have the chestpiece

limpid edge
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dam CoD is so free unsynced. 10+ deaths still kill before p3

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can survive tower memes no problem

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im surprised the hair hasnt dropped to 2m yet but i got a feeling it will soon

tall field
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You can live wild charges as dps

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Just dont mess brambles and tethers tho

tall field
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I doubt it will crater quickly

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Also brambles exists

boreal pumice
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but they are easy mechs

tall field
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They are

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But we are talking to the i never set foot in high end content and thinking unsync=yolo all mechanics crowd

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My fc only i did chaoticsadge

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I know 3 4 who are ilvl 780

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So ye

boreal pumice
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i did the fight b4 the unsynch so i just had to learn

tall field
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Our team died to 6% enrage

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So i was 100% clear unsynced will carry us

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Unless that demographic can clear chaotic

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Yea

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Aka i dont wanna worry about looming group

limpid edge
# boreal pumice but they are easy mechs

easy mechs but punishing. Even decent players mess up easy stuff sometimes. Now multiply that by 24 and the odds get way higher than they should be. Biggest thing unsynced is greatly reducing the punishment from mess ups

boreal pumice
limpid edge
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any loomers in the chat?

random needle
limpid edge
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i do find A/C double tank situatioins still funny and awkward, sometimes hard to fix

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but i guess prio is to at least have 4 tanks in mid so a dps aint taking autos

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better to have 4 people in one corner than no tank in one corner'

pale gale
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m9s?

limpid edge
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CoD post-swap

boreal pumice
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the autos dont hurt to much ive had it for abit while a tank was being ressed as a dps

limpid edge
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im not sure i want to bother adjusting unsynced

pale gale
rapid whale
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well ig the failure states in chaotic isnt wipe but ye

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still kinda nutty to think about

pale gale
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@rapid whale what happens when one guy griefs you but its fresh, however this guy is not mitting, killing the group with tank busters despite telling you where, below the dps chart even healers

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fresh savage run

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but he did say he is good with his job

rapid whale
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you just

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light party

pale gale
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idk why people starting savage not knowing what there jobs are

rapid whale
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cuz the game never tests them

pale gale
jolly flume
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because having a semblance of competence is optional all the way up through ultimate

pale gale
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but its optional

jolly flume
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sooner or later someone can and will carry their bum ass to a clear

pale gale
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hard endgame content

jolly flume
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been there done that

pale gale
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on warrior

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i thought he would at least know what his jobs are

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as far as i can tell

rapid whale
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i mean

pale gale
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no rend, no shake off, no mits

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sure lets say he was carried

rapid whale
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i have watched ppl clear folks who have 0 business clearing an ultimate before

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talking like 7k dps in fru

pale gale
rapid whale
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ya

pale gale
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brother in christ he is 4k dps

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on m9s

rapid whale
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lma0

pale gale
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ON WARRIOPR

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OFF TANK

rapid whale
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negative dps, bro is healing the boss

pale gale
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he keeps dying cause he doesnt use mits

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i never seen him touch rampart

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"BUT IM USING ALL MY MITS IN THIS TANK BUSTER WHY IS IT ONE SHOTTING ME"

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i just left

rapid whale
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Paypal Legend'bytheway strikes again the damn loporrut

pale gale
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im here to help prog and teach mechanics, not try to babysit you on your job

rapid whale
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Wait don't you play jp

worn bluff
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i mean some people alt job so they could have bought the weapon for a job they don’t really play. but 4k dps is paypal legend territory

pale gale
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is basically na

rapid whale
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I was under the impression jp players were better than na

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Ic

pale gale
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MANA is the true jp server

zealous meteor
pale gale
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its fresh prog

worn bluff
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nothingway my beloved

raven prawn
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question, once i reach endgame post dawntrail finished all msq for the time, what am i supposed to do?

pale gale
zealous meteor
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lop names are [verb]ingway

pale gale
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and everybody knows the mits and when to use

zealous meteor
worn bluff
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nothingway doesn’t follow the naming rule

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he doesn’t care about your rules

pale gale
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though i need to speak jp, or else get out gaijin

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no google translate

tall field
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Thd problem is brambles require very proper positioning by tile players

pale gale
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they know

tall field
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And the tether mechanics one needs to know when to move out of the path

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Problem is sometimes this doesnt happen

pale gale
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raid?

tall field
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And then accidental pvp kills peeps

pale gale
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extreme?

tall field
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Ye chaotic

pale gale
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chaotic alliance?

tall field
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Brambles mech-> tethers

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Yea

pale gale
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cloud of darkness

limpid edge
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cloud of dankness

pale gale
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never done that

dull drum
pale gale
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though i should

queen raft
pale gale
tall field
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Infact the prog wall to pass in chaotic IS BRAMBLES. and unless we can yolo brambles

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In tiles before looming/chasers

pale gale
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reclear time

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pray to yoshi

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i need rings also

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god another m9s and m10s

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still havent cleared m11

queen raft
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I only have like four more pieces I need. Gloves, ear rings, necklace and ring

pale gale
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in jp its L--R

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roll on the first left then if you got it get out

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if you dont have what you need get out

rapid whale
dull drum
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in NA its winner takes all Gladge

pale gale
craggy marsh
pale gale
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but idk if people will join you

queen raft
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Imagine if they made loporrit a playable race

sly basin
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👀 just had an ex2 pf where we had wings drop three times in a row

queen raft
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I'd instantly fantasia

rapid whale
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I wonder how much harassment sometime would get in jp if they roll need on everything and don't follow the one loot rule

pale gale
pale gale
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then if they see you on pf they wouldnt join or leave

queen raft
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I'd name myself Skadoodleway

pale gale
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lol

limpid edge
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skadoodle the former CS player?

pale gale
queen raft
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Or Fishingway

limpid edge
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hell ye brother, he was one of my fav NA players back in the day

pale gale
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SEND THEM HOME

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but i love his ibuypower stint

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him and swag were smurfing NA

limpid edge
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rip ibp

pale gale
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top 5 best awper

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right behind kennys, guardian, simple, fallen and dev1ce

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sory cold was kinda a hybrid

rapid whale
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Was skadoodle part of the c9 squad that won Boston major

pale gale
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the awper

rapid whale
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Immortalized goat then

pale gale
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i prefer him to take the mvp

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but tarik did so well holding anchor and being clutch

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so its fine

rapid whale
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That moment was so anime

limpid edge
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i remember he would rifle too cuz his teammates are much worse at riflinig than awping

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ska was a nutty player

rapid whale
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Dog region never win anything but the home town energy pushes them to the win

pale gale
worn bluff
rapid whale
pale gale
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then the whole scandal happened

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literally robbed na the best lurker and entry frag with swag

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Skadoodle left unscathed

limpid edge
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he was the only one iirc

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everyone else got punished in some way

pale gale
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swag on that c9 roster with shroud nothing and stewie2k

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would dog water

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trust

rapid whale
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I could never get into cs myself because the knowledge gap required to play from all the line ups but watching it is fun

limpid edge
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i played a bit of competitive casually

pale gale
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I reached LEM on csgo

limpid edge
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but then got too slow to catch up to the nutty kids

pale gale
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though on faceit im at 1k mmr

rapid whale
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I feel that

limpid edge
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kids are too good these days

pale gale
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valorant i can only reach diamond

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before calling quits

rapid whale
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When I hit 30 I forced myself to grind valorant until I was decently high rank to prove to myself I was still a gamer lol

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Because fps was my worst genre

pale gale
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i rely on pure instinct and natural talent to get there, not understanding what my character is doing on valorant

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i literally dont know most of the abilities

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i know smoke

rapid whale
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Hit asc then said fuck it because immortal and radiant seemed like too much time commitment

zealous meteor
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whoa. old

pale gale
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nowadays i refuse to go back on valorant

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CAUSE WTF AM I LOOKING AT???

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too many dashes, teleports

rapid whale
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Valorant executes are funny

raven prawn
rapid whale
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The caedrel clip of trying to cast an execute in valorant

pale gale
rapid whale
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I'M A DOG!

pale gale
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😭

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yep

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sweaty gamer here

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though my region is so ass

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so master in that region is probably low diamond on korea

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which i did play

raven prawn
pale gale
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Garena is 2 patches behind, lags as fuck, and runs a crypto mining scheme in your pc

tall field
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@wet sky if your team eats vulns and dies to ef2/bloom mechs yes

pale gale
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when riot took over its too late

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everyone moved to dota 2 or moba legends

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SEA region is buns

raven prawn
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on riot, i heard they wanted to buy ashes of creation

pale gale
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MMO's are hard to start or maintain with, they are bleeding money with valorant and league

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and 2kxo failed

tall field
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@loud swift here

pale gale
raven prawn
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im pretty sure their still making good money with league esport, its one of the biggest of the year even with leagues bad reputation for your mental health lol

tall field
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7 i am afraid once again on healers

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Like

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I will stand somewhere

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Healer will park orb somewhere

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Now i am in a ditch tf where to stand

pale gale
tall field
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Like they move at the last second

pale gale
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lcs and lec are not really as popular now

tall field
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Forcing me to sprint all the way to the back cos wild charge

pale gale
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lck is literally carrying the game

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LPL operates mostly on their own terms

loud swift
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like in my opinions..
1 is ok, not totally sleeper
2 is actually so easy its funny
3 is alright, mechanics are engaging enough
4 i enjoy the ideas of it, pf is dumb though
5 i hate playing as a caster lmao
6 is very nice to play
7 i think I have to put more time into it but I did as healer and I didnt really enjoy it, maybe if I played as tank id like it more

tall field
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Its doable but

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Ur pf healers dont know wherd to stand

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U r gonna play a lot of catchup

loud swift
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I mean I got wings from 7 already

tall field
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Especially as tank since u have to go most behind

loud swift
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I dont wanna touch it again Lol

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Unless im being pleaded to, im not going back to 7

pale gale
willow rune
loud swift
tall field
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Ex7

loud swift
pale gale
tall field
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The ex where a healer importance matters

pale gale
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the strats are straight forward

tall field
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Due to orb

willow rune
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im doing them atm lol

tall field
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And sometimes in the pop orb phase

pale gale
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the naught hunts are basically easy when you know where to go

tall field
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The healers pop it late

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Like u have no uptime issues pop it asap😭

willow rune
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speaking of, im on aether rn, trying to complete zelenia if some people wanna give me a hand, and wing farm after :3

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same name as here

pale gale
fierce matrix
willow rune
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but if youre busy is ok :3

pale gale
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to go on a server with higher ping

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i would love to go to na

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but the ping here is ass

willow rune
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wait...you gotta pay?

pale gale
limpid edge
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im too slow to play twitchy competitive games these days. That's why im playtin ff14

tall field
pale gale
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like i did going from eu to jp

loud swift
fierce matrix
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Intermission is just such a waste of a mech

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Its so boring lol

tall field
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Yea

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The adds actually die in like

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If u burst they r dead

pale gale
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its not that hard

tall field
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I didnt even mit for tankbuster yet again

loud swift
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My tank constantly killed add before tank buster

pale gale
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nor is it fun

loud swift
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Its so stupid

pale gale
loud swift
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yea

pale gale
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i never even get to tank buster

tall field
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2 blade combos will kill the add

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Atleast from what I saw

pale gale
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cause i keep killing them on comupence

loud swift
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eexxxxactly

pale gale
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and ogcd in drk

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if it reach tank buster

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then mit

loud swift
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i mean the tank busters do hit decently hard but you know... just mit...

pale gale
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tbn shadow vigil dark mind

loud swift
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and 9/10 youre skipping the tank buster anyways

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unless youre like min il

limpid edge
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sometimes i kill add not quick enough so the tankbuster snapshotted and didnt mit and die 🙁

tall field
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Only time i dont skip tankbusters is if i am

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Batch 1

pale gale
tall field
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In adds

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If i am batch 2

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Then my fof comes up

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Yea gg

pale gale
loud swift
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Naught hunts is the most simple mechanic ever

pale gale
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yeah

loud swift
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Just pop sprint

pale gale
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so idk

fierce matrix
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Its cause they do cw-cw

pale gale
tall field
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Isnt cw cw

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Hectoe

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Hector**

pale gale
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in jp its cw ccw

fierce matrix
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Yeah

loud swift
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I see pfs do either or

fierce matrix
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Its better that way

tall field
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Cw ccw is raidplan

loud swift
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cw cw is more common

fierce matrix
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I see a majority cw cw

tall field
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I thought ccw is better

pale gale
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i mean i know jp and na is diff

tall field
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Since you can max distance

fierce matrix
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Cw ccw is just better but hector is god in na so

tall field
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Between u and orb

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Minimizing deaths

fierce matrix
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Everyone must listen to the god hector

loud swift
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NA people aren't the brightest

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monkey see monkey do

fierce matrix
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Self thinking is not allowed here

pale gale
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but i prefer what Jp does, it makes the orb not on the center as often, its easy to tether it to the other players and the route is simple

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and you just stay in the middle

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just doing nothin

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just dps

fierce matrix
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The issue with the fight too is like

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What the fuck are the random naught grows mechs just randomly in the fight

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Where it always alternates

pale gale
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can i share nukemaru here?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5k9JoY4eE&t=115s this is what we all follow

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in jp

fierce matrix
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There is a 50s period where there is just nothing you are doing but staying in or walking towards a card/intercard

loud swift
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Nothing burger fight, i expected a bit more from last ex trial

tall field
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Oh the 2 sphere line aoe?

craggy marsh
pale gale
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theres the conventions of MT ST H1 H2 D1 D2 D3 D4

fierce matrix
tall field
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Ig cw cw since
I dont wanna use brain
I wanna followe the herd

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Then cw cw is peak

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Herd being the guys running with orb

pale gale
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i just dont get it

fierce matrix
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Its not

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People are just dumb

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This is standard in pf tho

pale gale
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can you guys at least watch the part from nukemaru then you can do your hectornation

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lol

tall field
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Oh this healer is running with orb

boreal pumice
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no

tall field
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Let me run with healer

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Now orb on me

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Nwd

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Nws**

pale gale
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god

fierce matrix
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Now they are pinched against the wall

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About to die

pale gale
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i fear i do not wanna leave jp

fierce matrix
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And can die if you dont angle properly

loud swift
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I had to constantly use aethereal shift on whm to get back in middle after running with orbs

pale gale
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raid plans on Na seems complicated

fierce matrix
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If you go opposite of them, they just can walk straight in

pale gale
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and i fear for no reason

fierce matrix
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The raid plan had it better

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This is from hector

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The cw-cw that is

pale gale
loud swift
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Yeah I have no idea why hector did cw-cw

tall field
pale gale
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cw ccw would make the orb stay on the sides

tall field
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And ast

pale gale
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and the party being safe

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on the mid

fierce matrix
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I mean

visual geyser
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talkin all that shit about hector till he joins the channel and its crickets owocarby

fierce matrix
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That is also how it works with cw cw

jolly flume
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did he not literally say in the video there's two versions and do whichever

loud swift
tall field
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In cw cw the player who just did orb has to be ahead and then turn

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Back to mid

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In ccw you avoid this tbh

fierce matrix
pale gale
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depends

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idk

fierce matrix
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At this point I think we know what happens when he gives two options

pale gale
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yeah im sticking to cw ccw

fierce matrix
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Pf will pick the worst one

jolly flume
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idk my opinion is simply that PF is full of sheep with no critical thinking skills

craggy marsh
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Both are easy but pf will find a way to make it hard

fierce matrix
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Cw cw is just more dangerous in every way

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Idk why its was even in the video

jolly flume
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they will always understand how to do something but not why and therefore they have no understanding of why a strat may be good or bad

craggy marsh
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People will watch Hector videos but people wont actually watch the video if you get what I mean

tall field
pale gale
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on prog

loud swift
pale gale
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bruh

craggy marsh
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People second screen the guides and think they're ready to go

fierce matrix
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Tbf for me thats the case

pale gale
jolly flume
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it doesn't even have to do with the guides

craggy marsh
jolly flume
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mfs just have nothing beyond a surface level understanding of mechs ever and no intention of going beyond that

fierce matrix
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No im not

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Im a tank player

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Atleast im not a warrior player

craggy marsh
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OT or MT

pale gale
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also why is everyone on CHORT

fierce matrix
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GNB/DRK

pale gale
craggy marsh
loud swift
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DRK my beloved tank

pale gale
fierce matrix
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Yikes

pale gale
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LOL

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but hey im doing work

limpid edge
fierce matrix
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Literally in TOP/DSR on NA

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You will never MT as DRK

pale gale
fierce matrix
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The mit plans literally never have you doing it

boreal pumice
pale gale
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but im guessing its the same notion

craggy marsh
pale gale
jolly flume
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that's like the entire playerbase

pale gale
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trust

boreal pumice
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ok themis

pale gale
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its easy for me to tank on pld

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lol

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@tall field

craggy marsh
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I like to know why im going where im going

tall field
pale gale
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you hear this guy

fierce matrix
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Id rather castrate myself then play shit pld

pale gale
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so what is my other option

fierce matrix
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GNB

jolly flume
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lowkey I'm willing to bet that if you asked everyone who's cleared 12 how the replication mechanics worked at least half wouldn't be able to properly explain it

boreal pumice
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i still have a ss of him on war asking for a ress

pale gale
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i dont like big axes compare to big sword

tall field
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Ofc u do

craggy marsh
fierce matrix
limpid edge
#

that's fine, you dont need to know how mechs work

fierce matrix
#

Brother im saying 10%

vast jacinth
limpid edge
#

nice to know tho

vast jacinth
#

My q poped bye again

pale gale
tall field
pale gale
#

but i have my jp bias

#

and saying

fierce matrix
#

Rep 2 is such a cool mech unironically

pale gale
#

NIHONGGO NAMBA WAN DESU

fierce matrix
#

But holy FUCK do I hate BC

#

Made it stupidly complicated and changing shit halfway through the tier

limpid edge
#

is bc standard now

fierce matrix
#

Yes

#

Its been standard for the last month

limpid edge
#

i havent touch 12 in months

#

i didnt clear yet

craggy marsh
#

I do think uptime idyllic should've been the strat from the get go tho

limpid edge
#

maybe i should get to it when i feel like it

tall field
#

So p8s finally got a competitor in mechs?

#

Rep2 vs high concept

#

As in

pale gale
fierce matrix
#

I would not compare high concept to rep2

pale gale
#

ill pay

fierce matrix
#

High concept is very static

#

Rep 2 has insane flexibility

jolly flume
vestal hollow
pale gale
#

why is everybody naming Chort

jolly flume
#

ppl choose the easier strat to clear not the higher damage one

fierce matrix
#

Like we did E/W

pale gale
#

or more so

#

why isnt anyone naming chort

tall field
jolly flume
fierce matrix
#

We did zenith strats

pale gale
fierce matrix
#

But thats cause we were there super early

pale gale
#

ngl

fierce matrix
#

Well

#

This is week 1

pale gale
#

ohj

#

week 1

fierce matrix
#

Like day 3

pale gale
#

mb

#

nah mb

jolly flume
#

yea

#

at that point its just

#

pick a strat and run w it

fierce matrix
#

We rip from the top teams or make our own shit from what we saw

jolly flume
#

because any difference in strat efficiency unless it's literally massive is overshadowed by just

#

more reps

pale gale
#

legion raiding

fierce matrix
#

Also marker determined strats just dont exist week one

#

Use eyes and figure it out

tall field
#

So use the floor

fierce matrix
#

People these days couldn't do m11s arena split with eyes

boreal pumice
#

without eyes is hard man

fierce matrix
#

True

jolly flume
#

I think the funniest bit of the whole kindred split thing was that they said they didnt actually use the markers to line up

fierce matrix
#

My b

tall field
#

I heard a lot of statics broke in m11s

pale gale
robust shoal
#

It's unironically fun to hash things out when it's like ok this strat is shit but people understand it, what's the opportunity cost of trying to limp through with it vs refactoring to something that will be easier to execute

limpid edge
#

do people look at the lines if markerless?

#

split arena seem kinda tight otherwise just looking at teammates

tall field
#

As in burnout

jolly flume
#

people sucked at m11s because they can't press buttons

#

you can fail the mechanics and clear

pale gale
fierce matrix
craggy marsh
fierce matrix
#

If the portals are on the outside, the meteors can go into the middle

limpid edge
#

what's the non-tight positioning?

robust shoal
jolly flume
#

yeah the cursed pattern is supposed to be

fierce matrix
#

Instead of trying to squeeze on the outside

jolly flume
#

the two preys on that side go far back

#

between the portals

#

you trade having to recognize that pattern and adjust for semi pixel perfect positioning

fierce matrix
#

I would call out if a platform had cursed or not

#

Just for my group

craggy marsh
pale gale
#

jk

fierce matrix
#

We just used eyes

pale gale
#

ahhahaha

zealous meteor
craggy marsh
#

Bc good god you could tell whoever made the strat was a melee player who knew fuck all about ranged players during that mech

fierce matrix
#

Tbf, you were always gonna be fucked

jolly flume
fierce matrix
#

Solely cause of tethers

pale gale
craggy marsh
#

Ya seeds was just a fucky mech

jolly flume
#

m9s had uh

#

non static aetherletting

#

which was unironically fun to do

#

fuck the static strat fr

fierce matrix
#

That lasted like

tall field
#

Oh yea that i remember

fierce matrix
#

4 hours tbh

tall field
#

Static aetherletting became popular real fast

pale gale
craggy marsh
#

Feel like M9 didn't have that much different week 1

robust shoal
pale gale
#

i do love the boss and the music tho

jolly flume
#

we also did hell in a cell in clockspots

fierce matrix
#

By the time we cleared m9s static was already starting to be used

pale gale
fierce matrix
#

Tf is st

jolly flume
#

no, it didn't matter

fierce matrix
#

Oh

#

Side tank

pale gale
#

hmm

jolly flume
#

if both tanks got towers

pale gale
jolly flume
#

the offtank would just swap with m1

tall field
#

Better than off tank as a word surely

fierce matrix
#

Nahh

jolly flume
#

and you'd be able to guarantee that one tank was out at all times

pale gale
#

side tank seems degrading

fierce matrix
#

Offtank better

jolly flume
#

you could also take your cone in your clock

pale gale
#

like a Side piece

#

to the main one

jolly flume
#

by just having the tower people cheat away from the tank

fierce matrix
#

Smh just do snake prio

jolly flume
#

no!!!!

pale gale
#

lol

fierce matrix
#

Yes!!!

tall field
#

The fusefield moments

pale gale
#

snake prio always wins

tall field
#

Wait tf is this snake prio happening there

fierce matrix
#

Come here chiyo im forcing snake prio on every mech

fierce matrix
jolly flume
#

I'm dunking your head in my large stainless steel fluid cell of sulfuric acid

fierce matrix
pale gale
tall field
fierce matrix
#

please understand

#

Its hard for people to go ccw

pale gale
fierce matrix
#

Joke

pale gale
#

my jp brain is getting cooked

rapid whale
#

bottom tank

pale gale
#

lol

rapid whale
#

i mean

#

double barrier is a thing

pale gale
#

yeah

#

and more damage is more damage

dull drum
#

thats probably gonna happen if a tank has to land a counter to do equivalent damage to an off tank

rapid whale
#

even if its not more personal damage i could see a world having 2x the party mits is more valuable than mt self mit

robust shoal
#

rn there's no actual indication there's any difference except pld and gunshieldman have to take dmg regularly for optimal dps

rapid whale
#

ye

pale gale
tall field
jolly flume
#

I can't imagine the mit difference will be anything more than trivial

pale gale
#

counter and then you land a crit or big ass damage on warrior gw2

robust shoal
#

funny how people are super jazzed about job identity that boils down to "they put shield swipe back in"

dull drum
#

mit will probably be trivial yeah

#

like as long as you dont give your healers cancer and survive TBs/autos

robust shoal
pale gale
#

we gotta work them hard

jolly flume
#

there are like 3 fights in this game total where your healers have to be awake

robust shoal
#

as it is, evo pld mits are a sidegrade and pld/drk currently are arguable which has better mits

jolly flume
#

I wish there were more

robust shoal
#

but they can't rly nerf drk mit much or people will just play reborn

tall field
#

It feels almost the same

#

Even the invuln is 7mins

pale gale
rapid whale
#

hasnt the rhetoeric behidn healing been, "wow look at all these extra healing tools they are giving us, surly that means way more dmg output by bosses" only for dmg output to remain about the same for like 4 expacs in a row now

tall field
#

Last i saw it ticked from 419

pale gale
robust shoal
jolly flume
#

same shit with healing range

#

smile

#

there's nothing they've put out that we couldn't have dealt with on 6.3 healing ranges

#

and yet all our buttons may as well be globals now

robust shoal
#

they changed the heal formula in shb (you healed for the same raw amount as a fresh L80 as you used to at 70) but it didn't really change anything

dull drum
tall field
#

The other thing is will we see more autos or more heavy hitting autos is one
Since now what

robust shoal
#

L70 you still get totally busted heal values afaik

tall field
#

How many ways to mit damage

#

You have barrier healer

#

and OT

#

So a lot more...err dmg reduction potentially

robust shoal
#

I remember our ast cleansing my LD in one gcd in cob

tough gorge
#

the only thing I remember about healers saying healing was too easy in ew (iirc, asphodelos) was that yoship's response was "go do the upcoming ult then, fuckass"

tall field
#

I mean the other thing

tough gorge
#

and then healer shortage in abyssos clueless

tall field
#

Cant we just tank LB mech if too hard to heal?

#

Harrowing hell moment

robust shoal
#

healing is kinda doomged designwise tbh, so much depends on mit+using healer tools properly but the vast majority of content needs to be healable with no party help and without maximizing heal tool usage

#

so most content is boring/trivial to heal

tall field
#

So what if another mech hard hitting comes

#

And pf decides to toss a tank LB at ir

#

We alr saw it

robust shoal
#

they need to give healers proper dps rotations

tall field
#

Cross tailed switch most ppl tank LB3'd

#

Harrowing hell was another

robust shoal
#

people got better at no lb cross tail as the tier went on

#

later in 7.1 it was mostly melee lb

jolly flume
robust shoal
#

but there were still parties that just died to it

jolly flume
#

bring back miasma...

#

also healing kits right now are just so non-interactive

#

you press button, it does thing

#

hardly anything actually ties back into the kit in any meaningful way

robust shoal
#

I never put tank mit on it because I just assumed my cotank would and I had other stuff I wanted to mit because my cotanks usually wouldn't

true beacon
robust shoal
#

I got the gamer wings timing to cover cannonbolt and the first azure thunder

tall field
#

Now imagine 8.0

#

You have a hard hitting raidwide

#

What odds pf will not tank LB3 thru it

fierce matrix
#

But ik thatll never happen

jolly flume
#

they're too afraid of backlash to do that

normal summit
jolly flume
#

like the one line they cannot cross in this game is alienating the casuals

visual geyser
#

i cant see the normal mode content getting much harder than what is in DT

#

dont see why it needs to be if theyll be adding all the new difficulty modes theyve did in DT

tall field
#

Sorry SE forumd

#

Dt too hard

#

Now EC too hard

#

Sooo ye

rapid whale
#

400 pages of, msq too hard

dull drum
rapid whale
#

My innocence died a bit that day

zealous meteor
#

vanguard second boss is literally impossible

#

i don't know why SE decided that was okay to put in a story dungeon

robust shoal
visual geyser
#

was that the lazer one?

#

that boss is fucked

rapid whale
#

I have social anxiety, and the fact I can fail a dungeon using duty support is ableist or whatever that argument was

zealous meteor
#

yeah

rapid whale
#

Shit was wild at dt launch

zealous meteor
#

as someone who also has anxiety: skill issue

fierce matrix
rapid whale
#

Yeah that's basically what people told them

boreal pumice
rapid whale
#

Lol

#

I mean it opened my eyes as to how differently another player base interacted with the game

#

Like how it was strictly a visual novel for that type

#

Asking them to participate in the combat at a meaningful level was downright insulting

boreal pumice
#

game journo mode

robust shoal
#

yea cw-cw was in the eu raidplan I looked at

normal summit
zealous meteor
#

if your anxiety is so bad that you can't handle 11 dungeons and 7 trials every 2.5 years, don't play a fucking mmo lmao

#

get help

#

duty finder is so low stakes too

jolly flume
#

nice elitist opinion

#

final fantasy is for everyone!!

rapid whale
#

the only way it makes sense in my mind is that they literally play the game only for the story/rp/whatever

#

and the dungeons etc are a chore to them

jolly flume
#

legit at that point just watch a youtube playthrough or something no

#

like

rapid whale
#

yeah but it needs to be their wol

jolly flume
#

there have been games where I do that because I don't want to actually play the game but it looks cool

tall field
#

Their complaint was pacing

zealous meteor
#

"i play the game for the story"
look inside
only engages with the part of the story where they do nothing

jolly flume
#

so I just watch people play it

tall field
#

Mechs coming too fast

#

Making it hard to process

#

Them all

zealous meteor
#

like the dungeons and trials are just as much part of the story as the cutscenes are

rapid whale
#

idk they can come up with a million reasons why msq stuff was too hard but it ultimately comes down to git gud no

zealous meteor
#

this game is piss easy tbh

dull drum
#

idk alexandria took me one hour week 2 because my healer had brain damage

zealous meteor
#

you don't even have to get that good

dull drum
#

this games hard as shit

fierce matrix
#

Makes sense why its in the video then, just dont know why it was decided upon to do it there

jolly flume
#

cw ccw is way safer because the average 14 player doesn't have the sentience to realize that the chaser is going to go after them immediately after retargeting, and not go to the previous player's location before chasing them

#

so then it ends up going through the middle

#

amazing

fierce matrix
#

Also NA is just stupider

robust shoal
#

cw cw is just the most intuitively obvious way to do it

normal summit
#

So from experience, the main way you wipe is from someone failing to gauge how far to stand from the orb when receiving the pass

limpid edge
#

hector can you stream some PF adventures? I want to see em !

#

it'l be fun!

robust shoal
#

cw ccw is definitely better though

normal summit
#

CW -> Cw allows you to run on or directly in front of the player your tethered too, which makes that really easy

jolly flume
#

this is what people keep doing in cw cw

image.png
#

they think it'll go along the black path

normal summit
#

From farming in quite a few random PFs in EU, not really seeing anyone have trouble with CW -> CW.

jolly flume
#

and they go way too far forward

#

instead the chaser goes along the red

#

and oops half your party dies

fierce matrix
#

From what ive experienced, CW/CW kills people for going too far ahead of the person and cleaving middle or cutting off people that just took the pass and almost killing them or kill them. With CW CCW the only time ive seen a wipe is if they dont recieve the pass properly/Aka not far enough away. Because the chaser is not coming at them, they have a bit more leeway cause the actual hit is like a second before the animation hits so people get scared and go WAYYY too forward

#

Its genuinely a huge problem in pf on NA for me and most people ik

boreal pumice
jolly flume
#

I never did cw cw again after the first like

#

day

#

because people kept pulling that shit

fierce matrix
#

Whereas cw-ccw is just getting people to stand in the towers during intermission

#

Cause a melee wants one more gcd

jolly flume
#

done correctly it doesn't matter which strat you pick

fierce matrix
jolly flume
#

the problem is people don't have brains

fierce matrix
#

Could also be the difference between CW-CW done later vs CW-CCW done earlier

normal summit
fierce matrix
#

People have done it since your video released and still cant do it after like 30 clear

jolly flume
#

idk, can't speak for what happens when people are good at it because they're clearly not

#

but early on

#

it kept happening

#

and stopped after the swap

robust shoal
#

I need to farm the ex more

jolly flume
#

and I haven't been in a cw cw party since

normal summit
#

I mean, I don't raid in NA, but you're also more likely to get more experienced players with CW -> CCW, as they will be people who progged or cleared in the first 2 days

robust shoal
#

ngl I'm surprised you don't get people doing cw cw regardless

#

zelenia was super painful trying to do raidplan

#

because people just join and do hector

jolly flume
#

I lock 785 and remind people what strat we're doing before we instance

#

most of the people who join are full bis anyways

shy obsidian
#

yknow why does Arcane Revelation not hit harder

jolly flume
#

which at least means they have some ability to read a raidplan and kill a boss

normal summit
#

From experience, you get that same issue in Hector parties "Sorry, thought this was raidplan"

fierce matrix
#

Yeah that tends to just be the same

fierce matrix
jolly flume
#

yea all my friends either had wings or 100 totems within like

#

the first 4-5 days

#

it only goes downhill after that anyway

limpid edge
jolly flume
#

unlucky rubber ducky

#

find another party

limpid edge
#

what i noticed in CoD unsynced runs is 0 death vs 20 death run, same kill time

#

cuz the add damage cant kill

dull drum
#

mb

limpid edge
#

unless nutty party everyone BiS parse lords can kill before looming. More DPS jobs. Fully coordinated ninja/sch debuffs

sleek moon
#

Overall feels it's always melees

tepid briar
#

where can I find a DPS to pair with me to get blacklisted from pf together 😔

#

bonus points if there's a twitter post made

wicked delta
#

griefing so hard i end up on the community blacklist

sleek moon
queen raft
#

Can the Shadowbringers extremes be done solo with average IL770 gear?

worldly grotto
#

Oh wait is Watashia that one infamous raider

dull drum
worldly grotto
#

Understood

dull drum
#

basically tldr you're screwed in that scenario

tulip wraith
#

Emerald yes but requires tank mit cheese and fast movement

#

Diamond yes but its just kinda slow

#

then Titania and Vauthry idk

#

i actually don't know why SoS you can't but i remember hearing you couldn't

true beacon
tulip wraith
#

oh really? I thought you couldn't cause of the 2 adds in phase 2

true beacon
#

Need a strong burst

tulip wraith
#

ah

#

makes sense

trim frost
queen raft
trim frost
#

that’s the reason for it not being in blue mage log anyway (even though you can rez cheese around it)

tulip wraith
queen raft
#

I'll wait until the level cap increases to do the Stormblood and Shadowbringers extremes than

true beacon
#

I mean you can solo all the Stb ones except for Susano

queen raft
true beacon
#

Yes

tulip wraith
#

i wanna say you need to be tank for byakko?

#

or at least high heal cause he does 2 throws back to back
at least on my 1 run i did as vpr

sleek moon
#

should be ok now for dps, we have a lot of hp there

#

you just want a lot of damage to skip add phase

robust shoal
#

I hear you can solo Susano on DPS now

sinful brook
#

do you just

#

kill him before the sword

robust shoal
#

yeah

#

it's an hp push but you just burst really hard ig

sleek moon
#

i thought the sword was a % trigger

#

but tbh havent tried that in a long while

tulip wraith
#

well i tried

image.png
sleek moon
#

was it %?

worldly grotto
#

I believe

robust shoal
#

yeah

true beacon
#

It’s a 70% trigger I think

#

Whereas normal is like… 35%?

tulip wraith
#

74.6% this run i just did

robust shoal
#

maybe it was just normal you can solo now peepothink

sleek moon
#

not even blu will be able to final sting that for a long time

#

wait how much is blu final sting now

#

it has 3.2m hp

true beacon
#

Still at 80, it’s not clearing that

tulip wraith
#

yeah he starts moving at 75%

true beacon
#

Can you lock him in another mechanic?

tulip wraith
#

ill try normal

true beacon
#

That’s how Rath beat normal

#

Twice

sleek moon
#

even if you can 75% is too much lol

tulip wraith
#

normal 30%, if you lock him in a mechanic and burst then probs doable

#

i dont wanna do that 💀

dull drum
#

is it that bad Hmm

image0.jpg
raven prawn
dull drum
#

ive been on steam since end of shb and i havent had any significant issues personally

tired egret
#

only con to it is like

dull drum
#

i guess like the fact that once you commit to steam you cant exit steam

tulip wraith
#

people talk about the potential of steam outages but i've never been victim of one

tired egret
#

if Steam is down, you can't play FF14

#

but at the same time it probably never happens

tulip wraith
#

and i think that's only for trying to log in

#

if you're in the game and steam goes down, i think you stay in

raven prawn
#

im pretty sure steams version is like playstations versus, once you launch the ff14 launcher off it, the thing behind it no longer matters

sleek moon
#

steam has a maintenance every tuesday, but its very short

#

single digit minutes

zealous meteor
#

i use steam for most of my games but it just feels kinda weird for this i guess

#

idk why

#

no real issues with it

sleek moon
#

also on susan ex this might work with maxed echo or something

image.png
#

idk how much hp it has

worldly grotto
tired egret
clear plume
#

I’m ngl with zero exaggeration here, egs is better than steam at this point as a software in every measurable way

sleek moon
#

how

tired egret
sleek moon
#

i think the epic hate is overblown but egs is so barebones

clear plume
#

Faster downloads, less maint, no random scam games

tired egret
#

only value EGS has is the free games

clear plume
#

Like what does steam actually do better atp

tired egret
#

the deck

zealous meteor
#

egs is a kinda shoddy app imo

#

as long as tim sweeney keeps his hate boner for linux i can't use egs anyway haha

sleek moon
#

id say family share, controller support, big picture if someone cares about that, workshop for the few games that dont rely on nexusmods for whatever reason

zealous meteor
#

i should buy more games on gog tbh. they're the only other big store that cares about linux

#

also yeah steam has really good controller support

sleek moon
#

i dont engage with anything else that steam offers, the point/trading card is pointless fluffs, i have discord to message people

#

steam forums is just anti woke whining festering ground

worldly grotto
#

Love GoG

dull drum
#

but mostly for the friends i have that cant stand paying more than 10 dollars for a game but will buy the latest valorant gun skin pack

jolly flume
#

mb

clear plume
#

Family share is probably valid, I just wouldn’t use it

dull drum
#

i dont either im the one who gets used

sleek moon
#

i had to turn my account canadian to play ff16 from a friend

#

now all games cost more

worldly grotto
#

Unfort

sleek moon
#

i can probably change it back if i use my real credit card instead of paypal but idk if itd kick me from the family

clear plume
#

You didn’t buy a ps5 for ff16 fake yoship fan

worldly grotto
#

Paying more to play a game that's just alright

dull drum
#

it has good story moments but by god the side quests are fucking atrocious

sleek moon
#

they call them mmo side quests

dull drum
#

genuine slop until like arc 2-3

sleek moon
#

we're all mmo players here

raven prawn
pallid kindle
#

theres only like 2 mandatory side quests and they're very good

thin fox
#

ff16 story be like take a drink every time an entire cutscene goes by with jill physically present in the scene but doesn't talk challenge [you die of an overdose]

sleek moon
#

jill did feel like a prop, especially for the ending

raven prawn
thin fox
#

dw

#

yoshi p did too

raven prawn
#

i literally had to look her up after you mentioned her cause i had no clue who she was

sleek moon
#

then again it's a trend

#

lunafreya was also pretty much a prop in 15 as well

#

how'd we go from badass lightning to this

true beacon
#

Something something Maehiro

#

Also killed Moen and Ysayle

thin fox
#

if anyone feels like coming to get money

image.png
winged spindle
thin fox
#

this is recollection not enuo

#

zalenia

#

enuo here is like 4-8m

winged spindle
#

I know it's not Enuo '-'

versed kayak
valid solar
thin fox
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got my mount

valid solar
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nice

thin fox
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god damn that sword big as hell

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probs gonna be the only one i buy

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just cannot be fucked doing anothyer 74 clears ICANT

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remaining i have 15 vali, 16 enuo, and 28 necron

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so i cut my remaining ex clears by over half