endgame-lounge

[raven prawn]

awesome 😄 im only level 75 so wanting to learn all of this while i can since im slowly getting close to endgame, at the pace im on, thinking i should be there by months end or so

[tepid briar]

color is kinda meaningless in xiv

you only care about item level

there's no such thing as a "legendary drop"

[raven prawn]

so hq crafted gear isnt bis till savage?

lol

[tepid briar]

hq crafted is bis until you get your tomestone (not poetics) gear weekly or drops from savage

but it's not like wow where it's super rng on gear stats and stuff

and for savage content the stuff that drops are coffers which give gear according to what job you are

[trim frost]

even in situations where there are drops that are low chance enough to be considered "legendary" they're just colored whatever

[tepid briar]

so there's usually no "oh boy machinist gear guess I'm skipping again"

[tepid briar]

the "rare" drop people are fiending over in 7.5 is... an emote

[trim frost]

the rare drops i'm thinking about are more like... eureka/bozja/oc drops

[tepid briar]

ah I've never done oc so can't comment

@raven prawn also savage content is 8 man so loot distribution is easier than 24 man content

[trim frost]

dunno how low the chance is but the occult accessories are an extremely low chance of getting from chests or CE completion

and their market prices reflect that

[tepid briar]

you run savage once a week, roll for your drops, then go chill until next week

if you really want gear you can pay 500k-2m per person (x7) depending on which raid to just take all the loot

[trim frost]

e.g.

[tepid briar]

and yeah if people scam GMs will be on their ass

idk if wow enforces agreements like that or not

[keen cloud]

hey guys since all the buffs are going bye-bye in evercold evolved jobs, what's really the fundamental difference between a melee and a ranged phys after that?

[kind elm]

range

[keen cloud]

do you think there should be a range tax in evercold

[kind elm]

also melees still have raidbuffs

i mean like

currently

raidbuffs arent the thing separating prange/melee

i dont really have an opinion on range tax

i think rez tax is stupid

but range tax is whatever to me

[keen cloud]

i agree i think range tax is more reasonable

i feel like making ranged phys do as much dmg as a melee just waters down both roles

[trim frost]

if they’re intending to do away with like selfish/buff job splits then keeping ranged tax is fine

it’s just a little cringe that mch is designed as a selfish job but gets taxed for both range and instant abilities

[daring pine]

shudder

[kind elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-little-gif-25979873

[daring pine]

so tiny

[trim frost]

speaking of rezzes

i don't see why phoenix down needs to be restricted in normal raids

slash normal trials

[kind elm]

yea i think its kinda sily

[terse zodiac]

Also since its already restricted being on such a long cast time sucks when you need it in a dungeon or whatever. No reason to force 7 second cast on casual only res

[keen cloud]

i have a friend trying to argue that ranged phys should be doing melee dmg numbers because "range isn't a benefit"

[kind elm]

i mean tbh it depends on how they design fights

shit like endwalker it definitely wasnt a benefit big ass fuckjin hitboxes

this raid tier and to some extent cruiserweight range has been p useful

[trim frost]

accessibility tm

[amber fable]

If theres no buffs then no reason to have it as much

[shy obsidian]

cough cough The Xtremes cough cough

[fervent scroll]

I wish Shantotto literally just had the hitbox of a small lalafell

[shy obsidian]

even without skill effects, she would get lost in a sea of goobers 😭

[trim frost]

the inherent difficulty/optimization of melee jobs is figuring out when you can greed melee-range uptime, whereas phys ranged jobs almost never have to worry about greeding uptime

casters do have some amount of greeding necessary bc cast times but they usually have instacast options available

[kind elm]

Clock Spots May 3, 2026 (Ultimate)
⏱️ 2:49
🔀 11 swaps
https://clock-spots.com/?date=2026-05-03

im da goat

[robust shoal]

I'm really slow at clockspots

though I did a couple archived ones and did one of them in like 1:07

[jade shale]

Is this ff14 endgame

[kind elm]

these are exactly the kind of puzzles i really like but im notoriously bad at

[robust shoal]

I legit wasted five minutes today thinking WHM doesn't have a stun

[kind elm]

LMAOO

its cooked

[shy obsidian]

HOLY cooked amirite

[worn bluff]

i wish for evolved physrange to have to aim every GCD like their LB3

[trim frost]

bleh

could've done way better

sadge

[odd beacon]

LFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-steam-happy-steamhappy-steam-funny-gif-3051835105049511162

Clock Spots May 3, 2026 (Ultimate)
⏱️ 0:43
🔀 7 swaps
https://clock-spots.com/?date=2026-05-03

[sick reef]

i have to do ex4 for wing, its so doomed

[tulip wraith]

i gotta do them all :D

[sick reef]

if i pity ex4 wings man

i might just do a lootmaster for ex4

[tulip wraith]

i lowkey just dont wanna learn old ones

and have to go through a prog/clear party just to farm

i actually just dont wanna touch pf i think

[trim frost]

ex1/2 are v chill

ex3 u skip most of the not chill parts

[odd beacon]

I liked all of the ex this expansion

Maybe doomtrain a little less

Ex2 is the most fun

I need to do doomtrain bc 200+ totems in I still don't have a wing..

[kind elm]

train is litchorelly the goatest ex this expac

i cant believe ur an ex2 enjoyer it has 2 whole mechanics

[dull drum]

ex2 is definitely the worst

i havent done the new one yet but based off the ones ive done up to this point im pt confident on that

zoraal ja is just really boring as a fight

the only “fun” part is the tornado rest is slop

ex3, i think was fine but it felt like wasted potential imo but maybe thats just me

[kind elm]

ex3 is p fun

train is pretty simple but its super fun i really liked train

ex1 was cool

i havent done arkveld or the new one

zelenia was cool

necron was forgettable

[dull drum]

i completely forgot about arkveld actually

from what i remember people said it was relatively fun

[kind elm]

yeah it looked cool

just never got around to it

[tulip wraith]

those are the only ones I've done outside of 7 and 8

counting arkveld

otherwise ex 6 and 7

[tulip wraith]

sphene looks like a real fun fight

[dapper zealot]

Speen was cool

[true beacon]

Still is

[manic field]

Is it even possible to clear the DT extremes if you're a super casual player who plays maybe 4 hours a week? I'd imagine you'd need a static?

[amber fable]

No you dont

And its very doable as a casual with 4h a week playtime

Depending on you and how much of that 4h you wanna dedicate to ex

[manic field]

Good to know. Thanks!

[true beacon]

@visual geyser how was the rest of End of Eva?

[visual geyser]

I liked it a lot

Not gonna act like I understood 100% of it

[true beacon]

And the ending?

[true beacon]

https://youtu.be/_N66Hud_Tq4?si=E8ktCRtRPMz0-CfG

[visual geyser]

It was cool like a more gloomy take on the original series but still the same overall message

[true beacon]

It’s the ending they wanted

They ran out of budget and couldn’t do it

That’s why the original ending was such a fever dream

[visual geyser]

I still like the original ending despite that

[true beacon]

Oh it’s still good

[visual geyser]

EoE def feels like how the story was supposed to end

Like not even the ending

But what actually happens with all the setup

They actually deploy the mass production Eva’s unlike the original

[true beacon]

End is why I say that you don’t want to watch Eva if you have depression

[robust shoal]

NGE is good if you have depression

[visual geyser]

I think it’s not that bad

Because despite the depressing aspects there’s a positive outlook it stresses

[random needle]

... Comparable to Endwalker, or

[tall field]

It just needs you to lookout for like 1 or 2 mechanics

Which may need all 8 to live

Yea my fav ex by far was 6.

But in mechanics... yea nothing can ever top mountain fire

A tb which invulns cannot save you... plus the cinematic... instant S tier

[random needle]

In general, it feels like there should be more TBs where you're actively defending the party from big hits

Which... I guess is what wild charges already are, but I don't see people praise them all that often

[thin tartan]

3% unreal enrage

lmaoaoadofasd

this fight is actc ually so fucking hard its not even real

[worldly grotto]

That’s why it’s called unreal

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[wicked delta]

Nowaying

[thin tartan]

im a chud

[valid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/he-just-like-me-fr-gif-25075803

[thin tartan]

i think

ready check helper

is crashing my game

[clear plume]

Average plug-in user L

[zealous meteor]

horrible.

[quick verge]

just informed my contact at square enix

cyal8r

[jade nimbus]

mods, kill this guy

[sleek moon]

with the name already in the screenshot

perfect for reporting

[zealous meteor]

uh what

[wicked delta]

Damn I missed something

[zealous meteor]

i got scared

[vestal hollow]

Skittish fox.

[zealous meteor]

[vestal hollow]

[zealous meteor]

[alpine plover]

[sick reef]

new trial pf is fun 🔥 all my healers cannot comprehend moving an orb for a stack

[trim frost]

oh shit it can drop on top of the guaranteed drops?

[alpine plover]

apparentely so!

min ilvl runs more like market crash runs

[dull drum]

didnt have problems with it friday

spammed it 10 times too

[grand mesa]

what hyappened

[brisk scarab]

That feeling when you have to describe what raidplan/modified is in a modified farm party

PLEASE REEEEAD

[pallid kindle]

does raidplan have the modified or not

[zealous meteor]

reading is VEWY HAWD

[rapid whale]

flaming me for being unable to read is ablist

[brisk scarab]

isnt modified referring to modified raidplan

or were you just joking, Im kinda really stupid

[jolly flume]

it's all the same shit anyways

lp1 swaps n/s for hector in adds and you take buddies on intercards instead but it doesn't even matter, just find your government mandated friend

alternatively don't even stack and still live

[random needle]

Just mit bro

[jolly flume]

no literally

10% mit on a caster

you live

[random needle]

Braindead buddies time

I also saw a clip of someone using Shukuchi to cheese the orb pops, which could be done with any gapcloser but still

[sleek moon]

someone using fishing plog*ns

[zealous meteor]

gatherbuddy, a fishing timer, to be clear

i don't use autohook

[jolly flume]

is autohook like splatoon for fishing or some shit

is it morally objectionable

[zealous meteor]

nah you're just a loser if you use it

[jolly flume]

this fishing business gets serious

[vestal hollow]

BAN THE FOX

[zealous meteor]

and if it makes you miss horizon events because of it we WILL laugh at you

PLEASE NO

[jolly flume]

you are speaking a different language

[vestal hollow]

sorry im feeling freaky today

[jolly flume]

wtf is a horizon event

[proper cave]

It’s way over there 👉

[zealous meteor]

a fish that's important for catching another fish (sidereal whale) that's notorious for being a pain in the ass

[jolly flume]

oh

[vestal hollow]

someone got stabbed in my building and im antsy today

[jolly flume]

that's the one my friend declined a dsr c41 for because she'd been sitting in ultima thule for five hours

[vestal hollow]

bc i saw the aftermath of it

[zealous meteor]

someone was like "i hate this game, i'm not getting a single horizon event" and in their screenshot they were using autohook, missing all the HEs

[zealous meteor]

yeah

[kind elm]

thats me core

[zealous meteor]

i think he's talking about you /s

[vestal hollow]

i need to peel and devein the nearest scandinavian

[kind elm]

naw i was well done with dsr when i went for fishing

[zealous meteor]

raid is temporary. sidereal whale will be down for 2 weeks if you miss the window

[kind elm]

thank god im not scandinavian

[jolly flume]

it was my friends gf

[vestal hollow]

youre worse

[jolly flume]

we wanted to get her a dsr clear for her birthday

[kind elm]

[jolly flume]

instead she got a whale

[kind elm]

i do remember

[jolly flume]

she seems to think the whale was better

[kind elm]

i did stall an m8s c41 i think for egg

[zealous meteor]

that's still a good gift

[kind elm]

that was the window i caught egg

[zealous meteor]

based

[zealous meteor]

[vestal hollow]

sam

[zealous meteor]

waf?

[kind elm]

i dont remember exactly what it was but villy was waiting for me to join

[vestal hollow]

how can i catch you.

[kind elm]

and i said "hang on"

[zealous meteor]

i can be caught in tuliyollal from 14-16 ET during a clouds to rain transition during a new moon

using metal spinner

[kind elm]

hunter 57 with a deadfall trap

[thin fox]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-school-6-7-8-9-6-7-meme-gif-9283842523222664778

[thin tartan]

Wgat

Plugin

Is tha

[jolly flume]

六七!!!!

[thin fox]

(it does both)

[thin tartan]

Thanks

[grand mesa]

inch resting

[zealous meteor]

gatherbuddy is one of the few plugins that fishcord is fine with

[loud swift]

gatherbuddy my beloved

i hate tabbing in and out of garlandtools/teamcraft

[zealous meteor]

i just like the timer that doesn't clog up my chat

and the fish records

[clear plume]

Whale is harder

I got whale first window and got ranted at by like 4 people

About how bullshit it is

And I didn’t deserve it

So feels very ultimate clear esque frfr

[halcyon tinsel]

Guys I have an M12S question
On Idyllic Dream, after the tower resolves, I died but I don't understand why
I had Light + Wind and got hit with the light debuff so had to swap, the other tower was fire
So I did just that, swapped, took fire tower, but then got hit by a damage down, was bumped up and then I died because the boss was boxing the hell out of me (tank)
Any idea what caused this? 'cause I'm looking at raidplans and WTFDIG and looks like I did the thing right so why did I get murdered

[kind elm]

sidereal whale is the only big fish i explicitly did not enjoy catching

[thin fox]

we got enuo at home

[clear plume]

Fire debuff from tower means you can’t move

You moved

[halcyon tinsel]

Oh I was sure I hadn't moved, must've done so too quickly then

Thank you ✌️😔

[clear plume]

Wait until the debuff on your bar fully clears, not just when there it an animation of it seemingly ending bc it’s a bait

[sinful brook]

The debuff is a lot longer than you think too

[clear plume]

But yeah, knock up there can only be from the fire failed

[sinful brook]

Same with how long it takes for the twister pillar to pop

[tame shuttle]

Channers serious question

What class do u find the most fun ?

[clear plume]

Moderating discord, clearly

Wait you said clas snot job

[sinful brook]

That's not a class or a job

[clear plume]

My joke is ruined

[wicked delta]

channy is the CUTEST admin

[sinful brook]

Fake news quitting right now

[wicked delta]

[tame shuttle]

Channers

[sinful brook]

Idk I think at this point most of the jobs play the same to me

You just hit button

Ig melees because you have to think a bit about uptime sometimes

[valid solar]

same except im bad at all of them

[tame shuttle]

Same

[sinful brook]

You play from a different continent

[loud swift]

hit glowy buttons

[sinful brook]

Blame it on ping

[tame shuttle]

Bungo give me a job to play in getting back into game

[visual geyser]

Evolved mch

[kind elm]

omg is that the real dead in vc

im a big fan

[valid solar]

you should try out bard

[tame shuttle]

Corpse in vc

😭

Classic

[valid solar]

its the most fun pranged

[loud swift]

i always keep forgetting about my dots as bard

i have muscle memory for 30s healer dots and 60s for samurai or reaper is long enough to where i always remember to look back at it

[kind elm]

i said this in gendisc earlier i played brd for a good portion of 6.5 and i think i had like sub 30% dot uptime in all fights

i was a bit of a pwofessional

[clear plume]

It’s easier to just iron jaws when you swap songs if you’re not super high end

You lose some buff value but it’s a very easy way to remember them

[loud swift]

i think i like just unlocked iron jaws as bard i dont even have it at 60

i am not a prange player

[graceful imp]

what are the gathering/perception breakpoints atm?

[loud swift]

yeah like

i dont play these jobs

[manic field]

i want to attempt to do the dawntrail extremes, but i have anxiety about joining a party i found. ive never done hard content, and i dont even understand the random things people put in their party descriptions. is there a place i can go to learn what it means?

i see things like hector, cheese, brainded ef2, uptime mm, etc. i have no clue what that means and i dont want to be a burden to others

[trim frost]

youtube

hector means video guides uploaded by hector hectorson

[boreal pumice]

hector is a guy who makes guides

[trim frost]

that's a pretty basic place to start if you wanna know the strats people use for solving mechanics

[boreal pumice]

as long as you have an idea how it works but dont fully understand ppl will gladly try to help you with it

[jolly flume]

she hec my tor till I lecture guide to the fight the unmaking extreme

(this is enuo)

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-meme-smack-hit-gif-14682331153624420698

[valid solar]

hector = guy who makes guides for extreme and savage content

cheese = an easier way to solve the mechanic that usually involves intentionally taking a vulnerability or damage down

braindead = some strat makers will call an "easier" version of a strategy to solve a mechanic braindead (it usually isnt)

ef2 = escalons fall 2, a mechanic from zelenia extreme

uptime = referring to a melee jobs ability to stay in melee range and not use ranged gcd's

[kind elm]

she hec on my tor till i lecture guide to the fight m7s this is hector

[manic field]

i see.

[kind elm]

in general

always just start by looking at the Hector guide for the fight

[manic field]

i dont know if its something i can do then. it seems way too complex as someone who casually plays lol

[kind elm]

it will in almost all cases be the exact strategies being used

[manic field]

i can't remember all those mechanics 😭

[kind elm]

extreme fights are pretty simple

[trim frost]

uptime mm is a strategy that allows melee players to keep their uptime during memento mori in necron ex

[kind elm]

you are not expected to go in and know everything

you will die alot

you will fail alot

this is expected and normal

a regular part of learning fights in this game is going in, getting your ass kicked, and learning over time

[boreal pumice]

just go into it as long as you explain your new or dont fully fully get something your be fine its only way your ever move forward

[kind elm]

you are SUPPOSED to die alot

a mistake alot of people make when starting out is thinking youre supposed to remember every mechanic from the video right off th ebat

take it one mechanic at a time

once you do a mechanic a few times, it becomes muscle memory

then move onto the next mechanic

[trim frost]

it would be nice if everyone bothered to memorize the mechanics but that's unrealistic

and nobody goes into a newly released fight knowing all the mechanics beforehand obviously

people have to see the mechanics and develop strats as they see it

[slate swallow]

the grind continues to finish dlc before new one is out ❤️

[bold acorn]

guys do you think we'll get two new physical range dps jobs? we recently got a new mage and melee job, sage is also new, so it won't be a healer.. either we'll get one tank and one physical ranged dps or two ranged dpses... o_o

[tulip anvil]

they confirmed we're getting 1 tank and 1 phys ranged

[bold acorn]

ooohh didn't know that! Thats neat! ❤️ Are ther any guesses what it might be?

[tulip anvil]

well the hint shirt they had was of rhitatyn with the caption "guess whos back"

the current theory is a tank with 2 shields

[boreal pumice]

guess whos back , back again

[bold acorn]

2 shields?? o.O is there a such a character in ff series anywhere?

that sounds strange as hell

[tulip anvil]

eminem tank

[tulip anvil]

it could be cool

[visual geyser]

Could be

I just know it’s gonna be cringe asf in pvp

[boreal pumice]

ff2 you could equip 2 shields on left an right hand

[wicked delta]

HOARY BOULDERRRRRRRRRRRR

[boreal pumice]

calm down cockburn

[wicked delta]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGIXqEMaIAAiDQR.webp

[trim frost]

@visual geyser this guy is funny

[random needle]

From this very game, Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, of Cape Westwind fame

[rapid whale]

i wonder what they'll call it

DREADNAUGHT

DESTROYERRRR

[trim frost]

refusing to do enuo ex because i dreadnaught

[rapid whale]

naught on your

[trim frost]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HC-kS2yWAAECGuV.gif

[rapid whale]

im still coping new phys range would be corsair but they alr said they are xiv exclusive

[visual geyser]

❤️

Fuck I want Corsair so bad

[random needle]

I've seen some people theorize "Guess Who's Back?" > Without Me, by Eminem > the word Marshal is mentioned early in the song > Marshal

[visual geyser]

Gun and sword is all I want

[valid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-huh-what-look-gif-15891526

[rapid whale]

but marshall would be like wat a sniper rifle

n we got that in mch

watch us get something jank like a sling shot

[random needle]

Not the first time FF has mangled a military position for the sake of a job name

[jolly flume]

but dragoon sound like dragon

how could this be

[random needle]

I mean, it is entirely possible that Rhitahtyn using dual shields is a clever misdirect, so I'm not going to put all my eggs in one specific basket until we actually know what the jobs are

Which will be... When's Berlin Fanfest for the first one?

[rapid whale]

it was dual crossbows all along and we're getting vayne from league of legends

why -is- the dual crossbow associated so much with demon hunters anyway

[thin fox]

drk joins party

wins mount

insta leaves

yup

#BLACKLISTED

[random needle]

Cross > holy > holy purifies demons

Two crossbows > two crosses > "holy shit" -- demons, probably

[rapid whale]

jokes on you they were already on a list

[rapid whale]

dam

i didnt actually think about the 'double cross' angle

[valid solar]

ngl I think the dual mini crossbows you see in media look uncool as hell

go big or go home

[trim frost]

venator mentioned kinda

[rapid whale]

i was watching an archery youtuber and they were like generally speaking they would struggle to even kill a normal person unless it hit like in the neck or something because the short length basically means no draw weight

[random needle]

I want something that uses balls, whether that's blitzball style or Steel Balls style or some secret third thing

[valid solar]

venator is one of the few crossbow wielding characters that are actually cool

[stray forge]

Whats venator

[rapid whale]

sapph really wants to say the line, "put the balls in the boss's face"

[valid solar]

congratulations our new job uses a slingshot

[trim frost]

from deadlock

[stray forge]

Any relation to venasaur

[kind elm]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Venator_bow#Charged

[valid solar]

^if this comes true I might strangle you (in game)

[stray forge]

Any relation to Venat

[rapid whale]

have u seen the gyaru bulbasaur memes

[trim frost]

father

[stray forge]

Bappu u senior citizen

[random needle]

I... very strongly doubt it'd be a slingshot but I've been proven wrong before

[stray forge]

I saw them a month ago

[trim frost]

the only time i was moderately convinced to play deadlock

[rapid whale]

ok but like im asking cuz i thought you didnt see them not cuz i just saw them

[valid solar]

we can only pray that it isnt

bapple im asking you in advance to not make the rest of us see them if morie hasnt

id like to continue not knowing

[trim frost]

new job angry birds

new job usopp

[valid solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847207078506004481/1356311100274118888/RDT_20241230_1319318167757328201743432.gif

[random needle]

I'd accept a yoyo job

[rapid whale]

new phys range is just a track and field enthusiast

shot put, discuss, javelin

[random needle]

Mii Brawler

[stray forge]

That’s what I’m freakin saying!

[valid solar]

that would be kinda cool

[visual geyser]

So useless?

🥹

[rapid whale]

usopp vibes merchant

[stray forge]

Make it like rinku from yu yu hakusho

[random needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mii-brawler-smash-mii-super-smash-bros-ultimate-gif-23205550

[trim frost]

did u hear that one guy was apparently a mii brawler main or something

[jolly flume]

give me the sniper class with five second long castbars

[stray forge]

?

[rapid whale]

pictomancer

[visual geyser]

Just mod in the sniper bro

[stray forge]

Let’s get dinner later yall

[rapid whale]

die

[jolly flume]

https://rokunana.nyc/

when we goin

[rapid whale]

do u think the white ppl going there realize it's a 67 joke

[stray forge]

Anyways

Does Tim ho wan still have 3 hour waitlists for not that special dim sum

[rapid whale]

damn shot down

nt chiyo

[jolly flume]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGIXqEMaIAAiDQR.webp

[jolly flume]

all the chinese ppl at nyu just go to st marks place

theyre the snobs

they probably know where its at

[stray forge]

wtf

[jolly flume]

me personally I just go 8th ave in brooklyn

[stray forge]

I must be getting rly old

I thought st marks place was where u go to get $20 piercings and shit ☠️

[jolly flume]

nah they got chinese food

and a few izakayas

[stray forge]

U tellin me there’s Chinese food now lmao

Waddafack

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hang-first-time--k01KQQPN1Y4S36VE64X7HKXTM56

[jolly flume]

they got international andy's favorite sichuan spot

[rapid whale]

din tai fung? kekw

[jolly flume]

https://share.google/zcYPXxY3eIMBynZTQ

[dull drum]

izakayas here make me cry

i look at the prices

😭

its not like japan type shit

[jolly flume]

blame rich white ppl for gentrifying everything remotely asian

[rapid whale]

paying 16 bucks for steamed soy beans and salt makes me feel cultured tyvm

[stray forge]

I swear I’ve seen $12 for a snack of edamame at one point

[dull drum]

ima be real honest though maybe its just because im in cali but most of the stereotypical japanese food tasted about the same here (ramen and sushi), the jp specific stuff though is like god tier without question

plus no one has the balls to eat weird parts of animal except mostly asians

intestine is actually op its crazy

[stray forge]

Wha everyone I know digs into the tripe and chicken feet tho

[jolly flume]

they dont know what theyre missing out on

and thats probably a good thing

or else our food is getting the oxtail treatment

[dull drum]

nah most people i know fucking HATE tripe

for me its just filler so i dont really have a strong opinion on it

like its fine

[dull drum]

oxtail pho is getting whiteified here

[stray forge]

getting

Brother oxtail has been expensive for a while 🥀

Tho that might be more related to Caribbean restaurants

[dull drum]

might be oxtail pho isnt much pricier than regular pho

back in my day pho was 10-12 bucks

now its 16 + tax

[clear plume]

I am here to confirm tripe is not about to get popular sorry

[dull drum]

it wont yeah

[clear plume]

Or congratulations

There r white people afraid of hot dogs they’d cry if they found out people r eating tripe

[dull drum]

they could feed me all the info about how hotdogs are made and id still eat them

american culture yfm

might as well die eating what i like

[jolly flume]

im here for a good time not a long time

if that means a stroke at 35 so be it

[clear plume]

Chiyo how did cerp app go I saw channel disappear but not u join yet

[jolly flume]

I joined

I just dont do anything in there

because I got dragged back into minecraft

[dull drum]

minecraft warmup for umad

[rapid whale]

kum mitty

[clear plume]

Fair fair, good to hear

I don’t have to yell at admins pog

[tulip anvil]

can someone explain this to me rq?

thats for enuo

[jolly flume]

second people to get targeted in each set of hunts goes behind the path of their orb and drags it backwards

after it stops tracking the first people

[tulip anvil]

thx

[jolly flume]

yknow

[stray forge]

Turnip cake

[jolly flume]

the cerp log review was a little amusing ngl

bc it was like

good gcd uptime. you use dissi only once in the opener. you use ruin 2 a lot. and the logs are straight 99 best 97 med

and I'll still see people thinking mashing dissi on cd is whats going to get them a purple

I cant get in that mindset though I just dont care enough

[thin fox]

i finally finished all of my stage 1 relics

[boreal pumice]

now fill them balls also pay the pay the gil

[thin fox]

worlds first party to ever see this

[wicked delta]

whats tghat

enrage?

[thin fox]

enrage

[wicked delta]

[trim frost]

genuinely kingdom hearts ass dialogue

[boreal pumice]

i mean exdeath himself says something simlar , the embrace the darkness of eternity

[dapper zealot]

Chort would never

[random needle]

He will free us from the wheel

Ware my rime-kissed blades!

[raven prawn]

before doing savages for the first time, im assuming watching videos on the fights is best? especially with randoms, im asking cause so far all the rules of ff14 as an mmo havent lined up with other mmos ive played

[jolly flume]

that would be advisable yeah

[rapid whale]

also highly recommend checking out the balance to get an in depth understanding of your job; most of it won't stick your first time in but it's important to know what you're aiming for

we're late enough into the tier that job choice will never be the reason you enrage

[boreal pumice]

fast snipe

[raven prawn]

yeah im keeping an eye on that and focused on levelling right now, main is paladin, currently still in shadowbringers, im a big time planner though so im prepping for when i eventually get to endgame so im ready from the get go to jump in and clear all the content 😄

[rapid whale]

naw i feel u i was the same way, asking questions in here while still doing msq LOL

[raven prawn]

wanna make friends to and i know a good way to do that is to also be good at the game lol

[rapid whale]

i will say tho

since ur in shb

there's a very real possibility the next expansion will release by the time you are savage ready

or that pf will be extremely dead upon finishing the msq

the important thing abt this is the next expansion is going to change things up a LOT

jobs getting complete reworks, fight design will probably also reflect that, etc

[boreal pumice]

i mean ya got 7 months

[rapid whale]

point being ; doing too much research now may have very diminished returns for your effort

[stray forge]

We must optimize

[raven prawn]

true, i just cleared stormblood in like 4 days of grinding (long weekend) so im very much expecting to either be getting the people doing reclears and just running for fun/prepping for next expansion. im very prepared to if i have to just go into evercold with tomestone gear lol

[rapid whale]

its important to understand why rotations are the way they are as opposed to what the rotations themselves are, imho

at least in prep for next expansion wh en the entire combat system changes

because once you understand the theory you can come up with those rotations on the fly

[raven prawn]

tbh from what ive seen of evolved, rotations are about to get a whole lot faster

[rapid whale]

it's very likely you will have optimal rotations etc by the time savage actually releases (usually a month after expac launch) but you could be building good habits for that month instead of trying to copy a guide suddenly a week or two before

[teal hill]

How do you all feel about Evolved Jobs?

[rapid whale]

i think evolved jobs are a necessary step for the mmo to continue

[raven prawn]

im excited for them, faster combat, leads to tighter encounters and from what ive heard. the 2 minute meta is really starting to hurt the game and the design choices for bosses

[rapid whale]

if they actually leverage the changes in fight design, this game could get even more insane eg more movement requirements, more healing requirements, lots of decision making by dps on how to fork their rotations

[teal hill]

I feel like we won't really see the ramifications of Evolved for a bit

It'll have some growing pains

But that's true of...pretty much every feature FFXIV has ever made

[rapid whale]

the design will largely feel the same ye

[raven prawn]

its gonna make weaving and individual skill choices matter more and also i can see it raising the skill ceiling

[dapper zealot]

I assume first tier would be more lenient to adjust for people relearning their kits

[rapid whale]

it's not until they actually make fights where stuff like, "this combo path puts the shield up front and the heal later" be the difference between wiping and not that we will feel the effects of evolved mode, imho

[raven prawn]

im from a game like tnl and swtor where yes you have rotations but you can weave and make individual choices based on what the boss is doing at the time

[teal hill]

One thing I'm really glad of

[rapid whale]

which is like, probably 9.0

[teal hill]

Is that the game is more willing to have weird skills

Like no more just 'flashy skill that does X amount of potency' and that's it

Less, mroe important and fun buttons > More buttons that feel the same

[rapid whale]

thats basically pictomancer to a tee lol

[terse zodiac]

only way skill cieling can increase is if they add optimization avenues and doesn't seem like they're going that way at all

[teal hill]

The big optimization avenue is potions

[terse zodiac]

most opti we can probably tell is theres a lot you can move into potion windows, but thats like 2 per fight

[teal hill]

But that's once every like....4 minutes?

Yeah

Optimization will be on a per-job basis

[rapid whale]

the design fault with opti, imho, is how do you balance fights around it? eg lets just say fully opti is 100 and basic basic rotation is 0

if 0 cannot clear the fight, what is fair?

[teal hill]

It depends on the content

Anyway it's wrong to say that optimization won't be there

[rapid whale]

currently iw ould say all fights, including ultimates, are 100% clearably by the 0 in this instance

[teal hill]

What it looks like will just be different

For example, the optimal time for Dragoon to use Sky High is different from the optimal time for Bard to use a specific song to help the party

Right now optimization is just follow the 2 minute timer

And if you screw up once you're out of sync forever

[rapid whale]

that feeling when you die right before a 2min and you're like

do i send it and be desync or not send it and lose an entire activation lol

[teal hill]

The big thing is no raidbuffs = no 'optimal' standardized time to use a skill = you can bank skills more

[terse zodiac]

really depends on what you're considering the floor and cieling though, id say most people consider basic optimizations just the floor how we have them now

[rapid whale]

ya im talking following balance page to a tee 0 deviation

as the 0

[teal hill]

I don't think the Balance will be very relevant for Evolved mode

[rotund summit]

a LARGE portion of the community cant do that even

[rapid whale]

u right they cant

[terse zodiac]

but even following balance isn't the floor, like pooling feathers for example on dancer is opti even tho its basic

[rotund summit]

fight-specific resources will become a lot more important

[teal hill]

I've analyzed all the kits for Evolve we know so far

None of them really have a proper singular true opener

[raven prawn]

highest of the high skill ceiling. clearing day 1 world first

[teal hill]

As long as you're not overcapping on timer resources then you can pretty much just do whatever

[proper cave]

We're nine months away from launch lol

Things will change between now and then

[rapid whale]

i mean ironically the day 1 clearers are usually not doing full opti rotations

[terse zodiac]

well world first is almost entirely decided on learning mechanics and strats, not job opti

[rapid whale]

yea

[rotund summit]

i mean even rwf groups arent engaging in opti on the first clear bc it requires a lot of time and math to chart that out

[raven prawn]

Pts will decide more on what actually comes into the game and what changes

[rapid whale]

cuz full opti is usually a fight by fight thing

[zealous meteor]

given the opportunity, people will optimize every job as much as physically possible

[teal hill]

Like for example with Dragoon you could do Vengeful Jump three times in a row for an early Nastrond + Sky HIgh
Or you could just do Vengeful Jump once and do your positional combo instead.
Either are valid combat openers.

[raven prawn]

thats the beauty of evolved, you gain more choices for your opener

[teal hill]

Spreadsheet gaming is out, vibes-based gaming is in.

[rapid whale]

in my crackpot guess, drg opener will almost certainly be back jump -> ranged -> vengeful jump -> positional -> start rotation

[rotund summit]

spreadsheeting will still exist it just will look different

[terse zodiac]

looks like it'll depend on the jobs though, definitely will still have to prio abilities based on how many uses per fight

[teal hill]

The most spreadsheeting that will exist is 'what skills are optimal to use with your pot'

[rapid whale]

ye i imagine the skill ceiling expression is gonna be like, "oh we got the spread pattern first on this mech, so I should go down combo route CAB instead of ABC"

[raven prawn]

nah, you already know once people reach 110 and get the tomestone/crafted gear, people are gonna parse every job to see which has the highest dps/burst potential including on the tank side and healer sides

[rapid whale]

that alr exists to a lesser extent rn but i think evolved mode will place more emphasis on that

[teal hill]

Honestly all I want is Job fantasy

And so far they're doing it

[rotund summit]

yea im big for job fantasy as wel

[teal hill]

I want Dark Knight to use HP like in PvP

[terse zodiac]

yea thats the cool part, i just hope they dont feel slow. we are losing a ton of off globals

[teal hill]

Make the healersh ave a heart attack

[rapid whale]

it seemed like evolved mode had a base 2.0 gcd

[rotund summit]

but u will still want to optimize things, evolved doesnt do that much to remove opportunities

[rapid whale]

meaning single weaves fore veryone

[versed kayak]

after what they did to superbolide? forget about it :D

[teal hill]

Based on some rough estimates I made on the videos, the GCD of most jobs seems to be around 2.20-2.30, with some skills going down to around 1.5 (like the Dragoon Nastrond combo)

[versed kayak]

did it? when I timed pld and bard it was 2.4 or 2.5

[rapid whale]

was it

maybe i was too excited when i saw

[terse zodiac]

2.3 could have been just having skill speed gear, ill time them tonight

[teal hill]

I've tried multiple times and the closest number I get is around 2.35

[raven prawn]

just gonna point it out. we got 7 months to next january, stuffs gonna change, plus pts will be released i would say november. so all the info will come out around then

[teal hill]

Which is way afster than any job other than Ninja or Monk

[terse zodiac]

drg definitely seemed to go faster during its burst just visually

[versed kayak]

samurai too, dunno about vpr

[teal hill]

Nah the GCD was definetly sped up

[versed kayak]

and sps blm I suppose

[rapid whale]

oh i dont think xiv does test realm the way wow does

[teal hill]

They do media share

[terse zodiac]

they been doing a lot of reworked jobs having variable gcd timings so its kinda expected imo

[teal hill]

Which is kinda their way of doing pTR

[rapid whale]

as in, "invite content creators to do a random trial with evolved mode and they can tell us" ?

[terse zodiac]

viper, summoner, picto, etc. BLM only big rework that removed that aspect

[teal hill]

From what we've seen the burst timers for Jobs seem to be either 40 seconds or 60 seconds

[raven prawn]

you really wanna get the info from Xeno? cause im always curious what he thinks lol

and rinon

[boreal pumice]

a guy i know who went to the media tour saw some how jounros play it was ah a mess to say the least an this was DT

[teal hill]

Paladin was 40, Dragoon was 60 (3x Vengeful Jump at 20s each) and Bard was also 60 (3 songs at 20s each)

[terse zodiac]

paladin looks like it can hold set up 3 bursts in a row for a pot, plus all the counters

[vestal hollow]

Xeno?

gross

get that fucker outta here

[teal hill]

Yeah the burst timers are more a minimum than a maximum

[rapid whale]

yeah setting up ideal pot windows seems like it's gonna be fun

[vestal hollow]

laugh reacting at that is a choice

[teal hill]

You can spread out jumps or do them one right after another

[vestal hollow]

he's a shitbag

[teal hill]

We're not getting into that

Another idea I've had

Was for Reaper

What if Enshroud starts draining HP instead of having a strict timer? That would make sense Job Fantasy wise

Like the moer you're in it the closer you get to dying

[rapid whale]

makes me wonder if they're gonna have to resort tos omething like a "downed state" for the boss like in xvi where you are "meant" to use your pot window + banked shit because the boss is taking 10% more dmg for that or w/e

[terse zodiac]

i think its very unlikely theyll ever reintroduce a risk system into playing a job but yeah they can get creative with stuff

[rapid whale]

yea failure states seem to be something they are actively trying to take out of the game

[teal hill]

You would ahve been right a month ago

[raven prawn]

speaking of xeno. literally speak of the devil, as we are talking about this, he just released what he thinks the meta will be in evercold

[terse zodiac]

as cool as it is for some people, it is absolutely hated by most people bc you'll just die sometimes

[teal hill]

And that's fine

[trim frost]

the problem with hp drain style actions in the traditional sense is that hp fluctuates too much in high-end content

[teal hill]

If you don't like it you can just pick the Reborn mode or just do another Job.

[raven prawn]

doesnt dark knights hp mechanics cause some healers to panic to

[teal hill]

But having variance for people who WANT that Job Fantasy is always good.

[trim frost]

it has none

[terse zodiac]

it just leads to situations where people are excluded for choosing some jobs and they removed everything like that because of that

[teal hill]

I mean you could argue Living Dead is one but eeeeeh

[trim frost]

it's not

at all

and that's not an hp drain anyway

[vestal hollow]

what hp mechanic

[teal hill]

Very abstractly.

I think they got confused with Superbolide tho

[trim frost]

they have to strike a balance between practicality and fantasy

[raven prawn]

i could have sworn i saw an hp drain mechanic on it, my bad, must have been mistaken lol

[terse zodiac]

hp drain for damage is a classic dark knight thing in ff, just not in xiv

[rapid whale]

yea it was very weird to come to xiv and see drk as a tank lmao

even thematically it plays more like a rune fencer

[teal hill]

Delayed time jumps were also a classic Dragoon thing not in XIV until 8.0

Again don't discount a concept just because it didn't fit the previous pattern

[trim frost]

the thing with superbolide is that it doesn't technically put you at risk because of the invuln

[terse zodiac]

yheah thats what i'm really excited for, sky high is exactly what i wanted to see

[trim frost]

so it's not the same idea as "ohhh i'm draining all my hp to do more damage save me healkitten"

[terse zodiac]

i knew theyd never give full invuln while in air but huge mit is good enough

[rapid whale]

imagine solo'ing stacks as drg with sky high thats gonna feel NUT

[teal hill]

Also DRKs are now offtanks officially

So

They can afford being a bit squishier

[raven prawn]

explains why in evercold its an off tank lol, ngl that is one thing i do want to see, all the off tanks, warrior, dark knight and gunbreaker. THEY BETTER CRANK THE DPS ON THEM. crank it cause thats part of an off tanks job in my eyes, do the dps the main tank, paladin, cant do

[rotund summit]

ya ff doesnt public test anything bro

[raven prawn]

sadness

[rotund summit]

no its sick

[trim frost]

that depends on how they define the offtank responsibility going forward

[rotund summit]

and its usually not bugged when it comes out

[rapid whale]

my guess is we're getting some lame shit like the 3 applies a permanent -10% dmg onto the boss! congrats you're an off tank now

[terse zodiac]

tbf that is immediately more mit than war already has 😭

[rapid whale]

LMAO

[trim frost]

cuz right now the only real difference between mt and ot is that ot sometimes doesn't take autos

[teal hill]

I really do think some of you are underestimating how much some Jobs are gonna change on Evolved

[vestal hollow]

this is an aggressively story focused game, having it spoiled so early would be absolutely lame

[vestal hollow]

we dont know

anything

save for what four jobs

[teal hill]

But we do.

[vestal hollow]

3?

[teal hill]

Four.

[trim frost]

three i think

oh four

[zealous meteor]

PLD, WHM, DRG, BRD

[rapid whale]

whm isnt a real job tho /s

[trim frost]

i choose not to perceive whm changes

😥

[vestal hollow]

Show me where they showed off evolved SAM.

[trim frost]

@zealous meteor ur getting evolved do not resist

[raven prawn]

i mean, they could just make the pts, 1 already made dungeon we have. but with the evolved mechanics on all classes.

[rapid whale]

@zealous meteor it's your time to evolve

[teal hill]

I'm trying very hard to not make a yo momma's joke

[vestal hollow]

they would never do this because of dataminers.

[terse zodiac]

its funny bc whm changes fit better in the 2 minute meta since you can heal during burst without losing anything

[vestal hollow]

? I see you are taking this conversation seriously and respectfully

[raven prawn]

ah fuck, yeah, i forgot they exist

[rapid whale]

they even got acknowledged in one of the interviews recently and were considered annoying iirc

[teal hill]

Anyway, DRG is completely different, BRD is completely different.

[zealous meteor]

AAAAAAAAAAAA

[terse zodiac]

even the private test has content creators leaking as much as they can. most stuff is hidden for a blessing

[teal hill]

And they explicitly said that Paladin and White Mage are more similiar to their OG self because they're meant to be noob-friendly Jobs.

For the other healers and tanks it's open season

Anything is possible.

[vestal hollow]

it is speculation beyond the jobs we were shown

• not to mention it is literally 9 months off from release

so nothing is decided

[teal hill]

Yes, and speculating is fun

[raven prawn]

im sure by november we will know as much as they want to release, plus story teasers and more

november/december the marketing has to really sky rocket

[teal hill]

Saying 'they will never do X' has as much weight as 'they're going to do X'

[raven prawn]

i can see it being at the game awards this year

[vestal hollow]

what

[raven prawn]

not for an award. just marketing

[vestal hollow]

i think you are vastly misinterpreting xiv

[pallid kindle]

you dont know anything LOL

[raven prawn]

i really dont lol

[rotund summit]

which is fine, he is just excited

[pallid kindle]

<@&100464652139368448>

[teal hill]

Oh for fuck's sake

[raven prawn]

AGAIN

[dapper zealot]

Yay beastbux

[rapid whale]

IM RICH

[storm frost]

Member not in server with ID 346894564457709570 has been banned by hiccupanddown for the following reason:

Nope

[zealous meteor]

HOLY SHIT FREE MONEY

[raven prawn]

yay quick on the draw mods

[teal hill]

Anyway, they already gave their design philosophy on Evolved

And we've seen concrete examples

[raven prawn]

if you want money, just send boulders

[rapid whale]

but yea evolved mode is, imho, absolutely a step in the right direction and even if shit is jank on launch the fact they are willing at all to take such a huge risk bodes well for the future of xiv

[vestal hollow]

sure but to confidently say "you are absolutely underestimating the changes we havent even seen" is a bit baseless

[versed kayak]

lemme guess, he "predicted" that DRK will be "trash" and the worst tank on planet earth
(I don't know anything about xeno except that he hates drk)

[vestal hollow]

we're finally a 2018 mmo

[teal hill]

But it's not baseless

[raven prawn]

i wouldnt know, i saw it in my reccomended and immediatly clicked off and went back to here and also watching the blacklist

[teal hill]

We know what they are attempting to do with Evolved and their philosophy

[raven prawn]

i do know though. xeno is super salty that warrior is an off tank

[teal hill]

Few big important buttons and stronger Job identity.

[vestal hollow]

genuinely do not listen to xeno about anything

[versed kayak]

ah, good, probably wasnt worth watching anyway

[trim frost]

you can speculate all you want but until we see anything concrete for those other jobs you can't be sure of anything

[rapid whale]

my best guess is the first tier might be dupid easy because they are accounting for people adjusting to evolved fights + first tier of an expansion always the easiest

[tepid briar]

I like the direction they're going into making buttons feel more even

[trim frost]

what we know is what we know

[terse zodiac]

they did say specifically with white mage the goal was simplification, i really hope they did lean into some jobs being simplified and others being complex

[tepid briar]

and giving more identity by moving you off a fixed rotation

[rapid whale]

so we might not really feel the evolved mode's intentions the first tier

[raven prawn]

makes it more controller friendly to and removes a lot of ability bloat

[vestal hollow]

the game is made for controller already

it is perfectly controller friendly rn

[teal hill]

What's Paladin's Job identity? They are the big boy shield tanks, they counter and they cover and they use white magic, cool.
What's Dragoon's Job identtty? Big jumps and dragons, we have both.
What's Bard's job identity? Using songs as buffs and doing big bow attacks, we have that.

[versed kayak]

I hope they don't and just throw people into the deep end

[rapid whale]

yea less buttons but more interaction between buttons is superior to more buttons, imho

[tepid briar]

I wish they bring back some nuances though maybe it's just me, now it seems like they're giving whm too many freebies (sanctity and instant cast damage gcd)

I think 2/4 of the healers at least should still be casters

maybe ast and sge should have no gcd for damage

[trim frost]

current whm is not hard so i don't really understand the direction of "making it easier"

[pallid kindle]

peoples main complaint about jobs for years is about job identity btw

[vestal hollow]

i feel like they will take feedback for that

[pallid kindle]

and job homogenization

[vestal hollow]

and it wont be so basic

[pallid kindle]

(despite also asking for job homogenization)

[trim frost]

making it more meaningful maybe cuz a lot of the time outside high-end you just burn lilies to get your blood lily

[tepid briar]

I hope they make whm more like shield healers where you need some more prep time if you want to maximize your utility

[teal hill]

If you sit down and think about what the fundamental identities of each Job is and what the fantasy is

[raven prawn]

makes it more friendly to more players, especially new ones if the clases are easier to play. i reckon they are trying to go the route of "easy to learn, hard to master"

[rotund summit]

how many successful 2018 mmos do u know of

[tepid briar]

like letting you heal like a truck if you do some prep

[teal hill]

You can realize what exactly the Evolved mode will be

[terse zodiac]

i agree, they'll defintely hear the feedback of whm bc almost universally people said the rest look cool but whm looks eh

[pallid kindle]

no we dont

[vestal hollow]

what does this have to do with what i said

[terse zodiac]

and they have plenty of time to make adjustements

[vestal hollow]

i'm so lost

[rotund summit]

its just a jest

[teal hill]

Well not exactly, but you can make some pretty educated guesses.

[versed kayak]

while I hope they make whm less basic, they'll still likely keep it somewhat easy to play
so probably not

[trim frost]

whm job identity is being my personal healkitten

[terse zodiac]

true

[vast jacinth]

I refuse

[tepid briar]

yeah you're right, I'm still not happy with being able to glare without casting tho

they literally have a 2 handed staff

[teal hill]

Holy Sanctuary still has a cast

[rapid whale]

Put the gcd heal in the bag

[vast jacinth]

(I wish i had a screenshot of the broken logs pages which showed all 0)

[terse zodiac]

even regardless of being simple, i want more buttons so i can have more animations? whm is a classic

[tepid briar]

is this for train?

[tepid briar]

ASSIZE

(like 200 potency or something I forgot)

[terse zodiac]

we're losing like 6 animations from whm at least 😭

[rapid whale]

Ok real talk I think if they made the first glare a cast and the second one instant it could be kinda cool like a pseudo rdm or glare into gcd heal into instant move buffed glare

[jolly flume]

kinda crazy how we went from 2.5s cast glares to no cast time in two expansions

[rapid whale]

Ye

[tepid briar]

that could be interesting though I'll have to see how they balance it, maybe another emphasis could be adding more regen or bell like stuff

[jolly flume]

we need more interactive heal kits that boil down to more than just press button get heal

[tepid briar]

there's also the whole high cure thing so we'll have to see how that works

[rapid whale]

Imagine if in order to access your dot you had to gcd heal 3x LMAO

[pallid kindle]

than they better justify gcd healing in content

[teal hill]

By the way I can't help but stress but...If you don't like Evolved White Mage, you can just choose to play the regular White MAge instead

[versed kayak]

well, if we get less oGCDs to heal with thats pretty easy

[jolly flume]

I'd love for that to be the case but they explicitly stated that evolved will be stronger

which again

[tepid briar]

it's just constructive criticism because we all want to see whm succeed

[pallid kindle]

cast times vs no cast times

[jolly flume]

is stupid

[vast jacinth]

Nah logs were broken in general after this patch so any new upload was a 0, since the actual number couldnt be mathed out or smth. I doubt a 25k dmg dealin war from my party had a 0 for like 30 kills straight xD

[rapid whale]

I think it was chiyo that said if they actually wanted to leverage the amount of healing we could potentially put out with no loss, we'd need like 10x more incoming DMG lol

[teal hill]

That's only because you misunderstood what Evolved is

[trim frost]

?

[jolly flume]

I have not misunderstood what evolved is

[trim frost]

they quite literally said evolved would be stronger

[versed kayak]

eh?

[jolly flume]

they explicitly stated this

[teal hill]

Yes

[terse zodiac]

for especially white mage, i don't see this being worth doing at all lol

[true beacon]

Mhm

[pallid kindle]

their emphasis on gcd healing would make sense if the content would justify it but reborn exists soooo they arent gonna justify it

[tepid briar]

basically they're forcing all the high end raiders to be guinea pigs haha

[teal hill]

But saying it's stupid for it to be stronger is misunderstanding what they want to do with Evolved.

[trim frost]

they should not have said this at all imo

[rapid whale]

Always have been

[vestal hollow]

i need to hear this

[jolly flume]

I am also not misunderstanding what they want to do with evolved

[vestal hollow]

[jolly flume]

trust me I play this game enough to realize what they're going for

[versed kayak]

I still hope theyre exaggerating

[trim frost]

especially when the ultimate goal of any duty is kill boss

[teal hill]

Some people still seem under the impression that Evolved is just an easy mode, when it's just what they want the game to be like from now on.

Reborn is there as a fallback plan

[terse zodiac]

giving up free movement for the entire fight and a little power just bc you don't like the new system is kinda just throwing

[tepid briar]

they want to stress test the new job system on high end players who will bitch and moan and give them stuff to work with

[rapid whale]

That's not what chiyo said tho

[teal hill]

I am 100% certain they will phase it out at some point once people are accustomed to Evolved

[jolly flume]

nowhere did I say or imply that I think evolved is supposed to be easy mode

evolved white mage happens to be easy mode

[teal hill]

Why is it wrong for Evolved to be stronger?

[tepid briar]

or dump evolved if it doesn't work out, win win

[vestal hollow]

reborn isnt a fallback either

[rapid whale]

New jobs are evolved only tho rip

[teal hill]

Sytri YoshiP literally said it in an interview

[tepid briar]

I agree they kinda made evolved whm too easy

[jolly flume]

because if you don't like evolved, you get the choice between being weaker or sucking it up and playing a job you don't like

plain and simple

[vestal hollow]

they explicitly said new jobs are only getting evolved, so reborn is likely getting dumped

[pallid kindle]

because they're def going to delete reborn at some point

[trim frost]

evolved being stronger explicitly discourages playing reborn

[kindred bison]

cause y'all were talking about Evercold meta earlier

[tepid briar]

EVOLVED MODE ONLY (REAL ILVL ONLY)

[kindred bison]

i was thinking it was gonna be like

[pallid kindle]

reborn is 100% gone by 10.0 if not 9.0

[rapid whale]

Hell yeah

[teal hill]

I'm betting 10.0

[tepid briar]

yes but they also gave the example of the Star wars thing where they implied that if it somehow ends up being a cluster fuck the game doesn't flop over and die

[terse zodiac]

tbf its the same for reborn, jobs are going to get changes regardless and people won't like them. Many abandoned black mage this expansion bc its drastically different.

[teal hill]

They're going to support it for anotehr expansion and then 10.0s fanfest will be 'we'll be only supporting Evolved from now on'

[jolly flume]

and I think that was stupid too

[tepid briar]

they'll probably make evolved weaker and weaker throughout 9.0

[rapid whale]

Fuck it bro we're getting a third spec in 9.0, "Unsundered" mode and we wow now

[hearty shore]

yeah i also think they jsut want to ease people into removing reborn after they get data that 95% are on evolved they can remove reborn without backlash and save developer time

[teal hill]

You mean Reborn?

[tepid briar]

fuck it vr

[tepid briar]

sorry yeah reborn

[terse zodiac]

i think its weird if they completely change job designs but they get stale if they don't evolve so I prefer if jobs get big updates personally

[kindred bison]

lmfao

apparently the new EX has a silly bug

[teal hill]

It's weaning the playerbase off the old combat system into a new combat system

[vast jacinth]

Now im curious

[teal hill]

That's all it is

[kindred bison]

where the floor coverage stays the same if someone disconnects in the intermission

[teal hill]

That's why they're making Evolved stronger

[rapid whale]

Have you tried walling during adds in the new ex

[teal hill]

BEcause if they made Evolved weaker or the same, people wouldn't play it and wouldn't get weaned off of Reborn

[kindred bison]

so now you can wander to fucking narnia on nothing

[teal hill]

They WANT everyone to switch to Evolved eventually.

[tepid briar]

I appreciate it because the game definitely doesn't have unlimited budget, and they definitely could have used the budget for stuff which gives easy consistent positive feedback

[kindred bison]

with the bug

[jolly flume]

they could simply make it fun and people would swap

[tepid briar]

they took a risk which many games are too scared to do

[jolly flume]

they already succeeded with that with dps

[kindred bison]

the MMo Division makes up over 51% of SE's revenue

[jolly flume]

I have yet to see any healer players that like what they see in evolved healers

[terse zodiac]

people really are throwing around things they never said, you can think they will remove reborn mode eventually but they never said anything like that

[teal hill]

You've literally only seen White Mage which is the most basic healer class of all time

And always has been

[jolly flume]

yes I am aware

so the fact

[teal hill]

DOn't worry, Astro is getting its cards back

[jolly flume]

that they decided to make it even more basic

is a pretty funny one

[pure elbow]

I wish I was joking but fucking Chort showed up in a dream I had last night

[kindred bison]

i'm thinking healers are going to be better honestly

[pure elbow]

My brain is rotting from the inside out

[kindred bison]

did you chortle?

[tepid briar]

yet they still had to bring the CEO on stage to bless the team with more budget - you know that the team's budget always gets stiffed in favor of yet another gacha

[thin fox]

something is wrong

[pure elbow]

Unfortunately no

[pallid kindle]

they shoudl not have the same 1 person making all jobs on all roles i dont know why they think thats a good idea

[vestal hollow]

what

[versed kayak]

I wish they had showed two tanks and two healers like they did with dps

[rapid whale]

ok but can i be fr on what my fav part of fanfest was? it was when the CEO of se came out and was basically like, "I promise to give XIV a budget" by saying they'll give it 'full support', with yoshi-p in the background staring daggers at the back of his head like a tonberry

[kindred bison]

i'm thinking he more chose to do it

[pallid kindle]

probably were barely made

[terse zodiac]

he definitely didn't just make them all in a vacuum by himself with no input, hell we know yoship gave him feedback on blm at least

[versed kayak]

ye ik, but would've been nice to have a comparison

[kindred bison]

Evolved Jobs were completed in February

[rapid whale]

damn i you got it out first

[kindred bison]

its just tuning them now

[jolly flume]

I will simply choose to hope that what they showed of supports are simply proof of concepts and not remotely close to what they're pushing out in 9.0

[terse zodiac]

it is very strange to only have 1 person design every new job though

[jolly flume]

I won't get my hopes up though

[dapper zealot]

I'm almost certain they'll show a few more evo jobs at berlin

[teal hill]

One class I'm still doubtful of is Evolved Dancer

Or just Dancer in general really

[pallid kindle]

prime made dancer btw

[teal hill]

Yeah but, now that raid buffs are gone, what does Dance Partner do?

Is it even still there?

[pallid kindle]

it can still exist

[tepid briar]

who says dance partner is leaving?

[jolly flume]

partywides are gone

[rapid whale]

most of prime designed jobs r pretty well received, balance notwithstanding

[tepid briar]

they only said 2min is gone

[versed kayak]

you can still buff a single person

[tepid briar]

and partywide is gone

[jolly flume]

nothing said standard step and devilment are going

[pallid kindle]

tech step is probably gone

[versed kayak]

I would assume astro will still have some dps buff cards, just no raidwide party buff

[pallid kindle]

i reaaaly doubt standard is gone

[dapper zealot]

They'll just change the buff to something else like with brd songs

[teal hill]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, low personal DPS but buffs a partner

[proper cave]

They said jobs whose identity has been party buffs will keep that identity. BRD still has party wide songs. DNC will probably keep some form of Dance Partner.

[teal hill]

Astro getting the GCD skillspeed buff again would be really funny.

[kindred bison]

old cards return

bring on the memes

[jolly flume]

I want astrodyne back

[hearty shore]

i also wonder if the new "gearing system" will only retire the "recent tomes" but poetics will remain so many old systems and relic relly on poetics so perhaps leave only poetics in the game for old content but new content gearing will be the new system (will also save them dev time to not be remaking everything that requires poetics now)

[teal hill]

Another way they could do it for Dancer is have Dance Partner be a healing buff rather than a damage buff

Every time you do Standard Step you heal your dance partner

[pallid kindle]

?

[proper cave]

Oh god Royal Road

[terse zodiac]

im predicting they'll throw a updated dance partner that you can also throw on yourself when alone

[pallid kindle]

so are we putting standard step and kardia on tank?

[teal hill]

Yeah basically

DPS Kardia

[trim frost]

🧍‍♀️

[pallid kindle]

i mean they need to justify gcd healing

adding a 2nd kardia doesnt do that

[teal hill]

It's an idea, DPS Jobs are getting a lot more heals

[jolly flume]

they can justify gcding by making fights actually do any damage

[pallid kindle]

they wont

[tepid briar]

more consistent damage yeah