endgame-lounge

[jolly flume]

is the game good yet

aka has my daughter returned

[stray forge]

encore?

[worn bluff]

hiyuki banner started

why does the game have to restart with a hotfix every other time i boot it up

literally 50/50 just to play the game

i've never had any windows application that made me restart as much as wuwa

[zealous meteor]

Cinder Surprise (Extreme)
intuition cleanup to catch | fruity | don't have it

[jolly flume]

aemeath 🥀

[stray forge]

oh

i quit too

[valid solar]

when I played wuwa the anti cheat they used wouldnt close when the game did and so I wasnt able to play fortnite because fortnite refused to launch while wuwa anti cheat was running

[stray forge]

there are 40k astrites just sitting in my inventory

[worn bluff]

i've literally just closed out of wuwa and stopped playing it for weeks because i got sick of the restarting

[stray forge]

bc i was skipping all of this major patch

[thin fox]

oh someones already made a plugin to fix the culling issue in housing

nice

[valid solar]

if you're geting back on xiv wanna do the new ex

assuming you havent started yet

[jolly flume]

I just finally got sick of the story mostly having no overarching plot that's deeply connected with the patch storeies

and I like arknights story more

[worn bluff]

i don't think i'm going to do the EX the wings are cool but not "collect 700 totems" cool

[thin fox]

playing gachja for the story is like thinking the stripper loves you

[worn bluff]

and there's no use for the gear

[jolly flume]

ak story isn't just there to sell you the new character

which is why it's

actually good

as opposed to wuwa!!!

[pallid kindle]

at least its 2 totems

[stray forge]

yet*

[worn bluff]

endfield story still kind of sucks but i like the level design a lot so i'm waiting

[jolly flume]

endfield story isn't great right now but you can see the actual worldbuilding and where it's going

I never got that feeling with wuwa

waifuslop all the way down from the beginning

[valid solar]

wuwa plot: girl is sad --> calamity soon approaches region --> girl is key to stopping it --> help the girl --> save the region --> everybody loves you

repeat with a new girl and new region every update

[jolly flume]

yeah

pretty much

[worn bluff]

i like that endfield art style is very cohesive (minus yvonne)

[stray forge]

wdym the first banner was male 🙂

[worn bluff]

when i load into wuwa it just looks like disney land areas

[valid solar]

endfield story was whatever, while I liked the combat I stopped because im really not a fan of base building/management

[jolly flume]

wuwa just doesn't feel cohesive as a game

[worn bluff]

everything is cool but it's some vague organic shape

in wuwa

[jolly flume]

it helped me discover my factory autism

[stray forge]

youre a vague organic shape irl

[jolly flume]

on patch days I spend like five hours sitting there in front of my factory

[valid solar]

excuse you I am a perfectly round potato shaped human being

[worn bluff]

idk what the quest writers are doing in endfield though

rossi character story kind of sucked

[jolly flume]

bungo you are a 35 year old hedge fund manager

[jolly flume]

very obvious 1.0 content that got shoved back and idk why

that quest was awful though

[worn bluff]

i also felt like the stockade stuff was weak

they never show us a single house where people live in there

everyone is just some red and white uniformed NPC standing out in the open

bad worldbuilding IMO

the waterwheels were cool but it was hard to feel anything for the stockaders with how they set it up

wuling city is great though

[jolly flume]

I hope 1.2 is the standard going forward

which yeah it's a culminating patch so probably not but

at least it shows they kinda know what they're doing

fighting totally not fatalis was cool too

[worn bluff]

1.2 was cinema. i did like it

[stray forge]

I hope chiyo learns a valuable lesson about gacha games

[worn bluff]

also i stumbled on the new puzzle area they added and that was a nice surprise. i love those areas

[stray forge]

[jolly flume]

I did like five years ago, it's called never touch a hoyo game

[worn bluff]

it's just whenever i look at any random OG AK content i get jealous

[worn bluff]

just put those characters into endfield and take my money

[visual geyser]

yooo can they stop putting good rewards behind submarines????

[dapper zealot]

Pilk

[jolly flume]

tell me this isnt real

[worn bluff]

i already don't drink soda so this repulses me

[visual geyser]

how tf does submarines work

locking facewear behind submarine shit

actual hitler

wtffff

[stray forge]

💀

[valid solar]

oh are the new facewear from submarines ? thats unfortunate

I did want that eyepatch

[visual geyser]

FUCK YOU SQUARE

[pallid kindle]

why are we locking facewear behind a system most people cannot enage with

[visual geyser]

i have played since HW and i literally have no idea wtf that content is

[pallid kindle]

its only for FC houses

[worn bluff]

i think part of why i booted up wuwa again is also because idk what else to play and NTE wasn't it

[pallid kindle]

its mostly used cause it gives a bunch of gil

but its ONLY fc houses, and its very likely only the FC owner/admin are gonna use it

so you wont get anything out of it

[visual geyser]

okay but how hard is it to get these items

[pallid kindle]

idk

[terse zodiac]

Not

[visual geyser]

are they super expensive to do voyages

😭

[wicked delta]

The fuck is NTE

Like ive heard of it but not positive things

[jolly flume]

it's like ntr with an e

[terse zodiac]

Only cost to voyages is a minor amount of fc credits and the cost of getting the submarines

[worn bluff]

just came out. supposed to be anime GTA but it's pretty mid

[dapper zealot]

A stupid ass name

[pallid kindle]

nobody is even selling it (nothing on right)

or its just universalis not updating

[terse zodiac]

Its rng if it drops

And voyages take time

[jolly flume]

plugins are also like

dead

6 feet under

[dapper zealot]

Dalamud isn't officially updated yet

[worn bluff]

it didn't take long for me to wonder "is there anything this game does better than other games?" and i couldn't think of anything

[jolly flume]

until goat and co get the defibrillator

[wicked delta]

Anime GTA is a sentence that shouldn’t ever have been uttered into existence and yet

[jolly flume]

the selling point: you can hold hands with a catgirl wearing nothing but underwear and a see through button up

[visual geyser]

damn i need that top

[stray forge]

I can do that in any gacha game with the right mods

but alas catgirls are the enemy

[worn bluff]

what if i hate almost all of the character designs though

[jolly flume]

idk man it looks kinda fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMzzXYQ8zoQ

nte is shitty anime gta

[worn bluff]

like i genuinely do not like the taste of the character designers

[jolly flume]

this is actual anime gta

[pallid kindle]

is that the spiderman anime gta

[jolly flume]

spiderman is one part of it

[stray forge]

hop on azur promilia

[jolly flume]

ananta is just every game put in a blender

[worn bluff]

i especially hate mint's design

[marble grove]

Fuckin Spiderman x Watch Dogs 2 x Any Gacha Ever

[amber fable]

But will it be good in all?

[marble grove]

q3 can't come soon enough

[marble grove]

from what i've seen in some leaks it's very fun at the very least

[jolly flume]

it's not even gacha

it's just

every game ever

in one game

[amber fable]

Game

[worn bluff]

the NTE designs feel like the artists were asked to grab tropes from other games, which is fine except the artists don't have good taste

[marble grove]

Monetisation will be skins or clothing from what I saw

[worn bluff]

so every character is just an amateur approximation of other games' characters

[jolly flume]

the characters all feel flat I agree

like in character

they do not have that problem with their chests

💀

[stray forge]

ah yes gacha games the genre known for reinventing the wheel

[worn bluff]

every NTE character would be a 4 star in another gacha game

well certain gacha games do have their niche and why people are drawn to them

[jolly flume]

I told my friend this but

[worn bluff]

wuwa has combat/animations, endfield has factory/JRPG styled levels

[jolly flume]

NTE is just a bandaid for the cyberpunk-shaped hole in my heart that can't be filled until orion comes out

open world cities are nice

[worn bluff]

yeah we could have had cyberpunk multiplayer

[marble grove]

This tho

[worn bluff]

i don't care for the aesthetics of actual GTA

[amber fable]

Need the dystopian story

Where everything goes to shit

[marble grove]

Orion will have a multiplayer aspect

which will probably just be some co-op option

[amber fable]

Party kill

[worn bluff]

i wish endfield had more real co op

let me go and mess up chiyo's factory

[jolly flume]

best we can do is clue7bombing each other

[amber fable]

Nothing serious choom...its all for eddies

[worn bluff]

they let me help my friends but why can't i hurt them

HG please

[marble grove]

Cyberpunk heists would go hard

it'd be like Destiny raids but... ahem good

[worn bluff]

i genuinely believe that the dark souls invasion system should be in more games

[jolly flume]

inshallah in orion we can actually ride/pilot AVs and not just in scripted story

[worn bluff]

just let me invade people and chase them around

invasions in FF dungeon roulettes

[jolly flume]

tbh I miss like

the concept of destiny raiding

because there was so much stupid shit you could do

but they were all so easy because like every encounter was designed for 3 people to sit afk and jerk it

[stray forge]

is that what u did

[worn bluff]

it's a shame marathon wasn't a PvE game

[jolly flume]

no

I just did the raids with 3 people

so nobody had to jerk it

6 player activity

6 player activity

[round hazel]

can we not compare things to Hitler lol

[craggy marsh]

"KWTD i'm add clear"

[novel garden]

Yeah that sounds about right I've seen alot of low man raids in d2 for quite some time

[craggy marsh]

Anyone who instantly chooses add clear I am weary of bc that's them saying they don't know or want to do mechanics

[jolly flume]

I used to be pretty big into that stuff but the game just fell off for me after lightfall because root of nightmares sucked

and I was like I can't do this shit anymore with two raids a year one of which is recycled

[pallid kindle]

the max amount of players an encounter is intended to have is like 4 i dont think theres ever been a 6 player mechanic

[novel garden]

Right?

[jolly flume]

and that's how I ended up here

[novel garden]

idk what bungie decided to do that made the game like... well "suck" in the sense of the word and thinking marathon would be the saving grace

[pallid kindle]

they delayed a small update by like 4 months 😭

[jolly flume]

to be fair I've heard marathon is pretty decent but it's not destiny

entirely different game

[pallid kindle]

i dont see d2 still being a thing by like 2028

[craggy marsh]

Remember when Bungie split off from Activision and they said how it wouldn't impact the game development at all

[novel garden]

Well I mean if u ever played tarkov u ain't missing much

[jolly flume]

yeah about that

[novel garden]

Like sure u get abilities but its almost like tarkov

[craggy marsh]

Activision was shitty but atleast they made sure Bungie made content

[visual geyser]

bungie is incompetent

[pallid kindle]

TFS was a very good expansion but it did nothing to benefit the game so idk what they were thinking

[visual geyser]

putting the faith of their company into an extraction shooter

[pallid kindle]

content wise its probably the best expansion

[visual geyser]

😭

[jolly flume]

they also got very obviously greedier over time after splitting with activision

selling dungeons separate from the expansion

lol

[craggy marsh]

Paying $20 for Duality and it's still a buggy mess in 2026 btw

[pallid kindle]

and then 1 of the dungeons sucks ass and is bugged for over a year

duality is SO SHIT!

[craggy marsh]

The excuse they gave was so shit too

"Paid dungeons let's up make them be more quality"

[pallid kindle]

spire was cool but its also very easy but they decided to do spire again as a raid

[jolly flume]

duality came out during a period where I was taking a break from the game so I just came back and did it like 3 times for artifice armor and never went back in again

[novel garden]

Honestly the one thing I kinda miss with destiny... and its a odd one freakin gambit idk why but that ding from drifter with the coin

[craggy marsh]

then fucking explain Duality shit ass

where is the quality in Duality

[terse zodiac]

Whats wrong with duality

[jolly flume]

spire of the watcher was ok

[pallid kindle]

vespers host is really good though

[novel garden]

Duality when everyone was expecting crown of sorrows revamp

[terse zodiac]

Genuinely one of the most fun solo dungeons?

[pallid kindle]

it was insanely buggy (maybe still is) for over a year and also its not fun to do

[jolly flume]

ghosts of the deep was probably the best one they released while I was still playing it

even if the boss had like

[craggy marsh]

the fact that the bells are super buggy

[jolly flume]

2x the hp pool it should've

[pallid kindle]

vespers host is the best dungeon OAT

[jolly flume]

I think it took me 5 phases

solo

[craggy marsh]

idk how or why they haven't fixed the bell bugs yet

it's been 3 years

[pallid kindle]

that was released during TFS year though

but vespers host is really good

i only did sundered once or twice and that was also cool

[jolly flume]

this is actually the first day I ever played ffxiv

I solo flawlessed this shit and decided I was done with d2

installed xiv

[terse zodiac]

Bell bugs, only thing i remember was one weapon not working to flip back?

[novel garden]

tho u can say one thing bungie always had good story when it was hive related

[terse zodiac]

Havent run in years tho

[novel garden]

Anything else was like meh

[craggy marsh]

Bungie only knows how to write Hive lore

[jolly flume]

idk once in a while I still get the urge to log back on and do garden or something but

[craggy marsh]

why do they suck ass when writing any other lore

[jolly flume]

then I remember why I quit

and I'm like yeah no I'm not installing this again

[pallid kindle]

ive had it uninstalled since the end of heresy and i basically quit during echoes

i think i got to level 20 in whatever the 2nd season of TFS was

[craggy marsh]

There's zero reason to go back to Destiny 2

[novel garden]

Because its the same company who made the flood and alot of them are kinda one another ig?

flood and hive that is

[craggy marsh]

that's just really sad man

[pallid kindle]

D2 puts out less and worse content than ffxiv at a slower pace and sometimes a higher price

[jolly flume]

the last time I played was only to do the final shape story but before that I'd already quit for like a year

[novel garden]

Not the devs lord knowing by now none of the orignal that created halo is still there

[terse zodiac]

Destiny endgame just got so annoying when every single mechanic turned into "haha one group can see this convoluted info and has to relay it to the other group on vc"

[jolly flume]

that's not even annoying to me I just find it incredibly boring that every fight is designed for half the group to not do anything

[pallid kindle]

also WQ is the worst expansion OAT idk why its praised so highly (its just the story)

[craggy marsh]

add clear roles are the worst

they do nothing

[terse zodiac]

Rhulk was cool

[jolly flume]

yeah idk vow is my favorite raid that I ever actually did

[pallid kindle]

the only thing WQ did GOOD was the story

[craggy marsh]

why tf does the add clear person have less kills than the person doing the mechanics

[jolly flume]

cant speak for desert and the final shape one

whatever they were called

[pallid kindle]

vow has the worst opening in the game AND half the encounters are boring

[jolly flume]

I was already way too uninvested in the game by then

[craggy marsh]

Salvations Edge is honestly really well done

[pallid kindle]

and weapon crafting ruined the game

and the rest of the content WQ added was really bad

[terse zodiac]

Dadbod nezarec was just rhulk but worse in every way

[jolly flume]

root of nightmares was a dungeon

[craggy marsh]

Root was easily one of the worst 'raids'

Idk why they made it so braindead

[jolly flume]

and the only thing that made it hard was the bug in second encounter that prevented you from reaching the next floor without skate bouncing

we got stuck on that for

five

hours!!!

nice qc bungie

[pallid kindle]

why does bungie think making physics based encounters works

[craggy marsh]

it's funny how that's an old Halo bug too

[terse zodiac]

Day 1 that killed our prog

[jolly flume]

was that second or third encounter idr

whatever

it was ass

[craggy marsh]

second

[pallid kindle]

second

third was planets boss

[jolly flume]

that bug took us from world 19th in vow to like 13 hours in root

thanks for that

it was a fun raid to speedrun because of the traversal sections but the actual encounters were just dogshit

[kind elm]

no you forget the real "how to make encounters hard" part; make only 1 person have to do them and then have 5 people on adclear

[pallid kindle]

also 3rd root isnt even that good its just so much better than the rest of root that its glazed so hard

[jolly flume]

vog oracles:

[novel garden]

Also most of destiny 2 raiding scene... get buff/ball slap it in a box dps boss rinse and repeat

[terse zodiac]

Xenophage my beloved

[pallid kindle]

vog is probably the worst raid in the game

[jolly flume]

dude xiv players dont know shit about stand and let thing resolve

they should play d2

where you stand on plate and let thing resolve

[craggy marsh]

Stand on platform until it glows and then do damage for 10 seconds

[pallid kindle]

it has 1 kinda fun encounter at the very end and the rest of the raid is as hard as a normal mode strike

its sooo boring

[novel garden]

Then I stare at new raid with desert prep

[kind elm]

i did a vog like 2 months ago because i had nothing going on the weekend and my old clan needed a 6th so i said "sure i dont remember how any of this works" and we killed everything in under like 4seconds

[novel garden]

not the normal but the like elite verison ig or whatever it call

[kind elm]

destiny is cooked

[pallid kindle]

you do nothing but ad clear in all the encounters except shoot an oracle in the order it tells you two times and gives you 5 years to comprehend

and if you fail it just does it again

[craggy marsh]

Templar is everyone's bitch

[pallid kindle]

vog is by far the worst raid in the game

[craggy marsh]

he's the dps test boss

[novel garden]

Im like wtf is this? becasue final enoucter is u do a little amount of dps then its like (ur light fades) to find out the mech was actually rewind

[craggy marsh]

Idk why they didn't do Last Wish quality raids until Salvations Edge

[pallid kindle]

also d2 doesnt even put out 2 raids and 2 dungeons a year anymore

they only put out 1 raid and 1 dungeon LOL

[jolly flume]

lowkey if eager edge didn't exist I'm pretty sure I would've quit d2 like 2 years earlier

[kind elm]

i remember last time i played you had to like vaguely try to kill templar fast

now he exploded in 3seconds with 3 people not doing damage, 1 guy who hadnt played in 3 years and one person 4 billion kg of weed deep into the night

[terse zodiac]

Did they ever bring wotm back

[pallid kindle]

no

they dont bring back legacy raids anymore

[jolly flume]

remember when you could swapcancel....

I miss her..

[pallid kindle]

they get 1 raid and 1 dungeon a year

[terse zodiac]

Only leave out the best raid, crazy

[kind elm]

i miss her...

[craggy marsh]

They will never bring Wrath back bc that would require them to actually make the Splicers

Splicers walk and act differently than the Fallen

and that's too much work for Bungie

pls understand

[novel garden]

Tho we are suppose to get patheon 2.0 with them saying "where going to bring back old raid encounters" like bro ur going to salt so many wounds who miss like wraith of the machines, or even like Scourge of the past

[stray forge]

wrath of the lich king

[jolly flume]

I got reminded recently when I started getting comments on an old youtube video of mine demonstrating nagis/wendigo swap cancels during like shadowkeep

[terse zodiac]

SotP yikes

[jolly flume]

and they were like "this guy predicted the meta 4 years later"

and I was like huh?

[novel garden]

Remember the days where its like "can you spell CAP?"

[pallid kindle]

remember when they deleted hotswapping because it wasnt accessible toe veryone

[craggy marsh]

What was the Shadowkeep raid again? Was that Garden?

[terse zodiac]

At least that had unique mechanics and was a fun time in the sandbox

[kind elm]

LMAOO

[craggy marsh]

Garden had that fucky ass tether mechanic man

[terse zodiac]

Real ones know its ACP

[kind elm]

garden of salvation is the best raid in desitny 2

[jolly flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9GZiwUq9f0

[pallid kindle]

people hate on gos but idk why its actually not bad at all

[jolly flume]

look at the comments bruh

[novel garden]

TRUU

[craggy marsh]

shout out to Div runs making the raid take longer than it needs to

[pallid kindle]

2nd enc is long but the rest of the raid is good

[jolly flume]

2nd enc doesnt have to be long

[novel garden]

Lol div runs...

[craggy marsh]

it's bc people don't know how to move with the tethers

[jolly flume]

people just suck at killing adds somehow

[novel garden]

Those where the days

[jolly flume]

hit the first angelic spawn framerule

[terse zodiac]

Gos was shit bc it was just what was that lag program

[jolly flume]

and it goes by in like 2 mins

what, netlimiter?

[stray forge]

chiyo transition and irl name change to Chiara arc

[terse zodiac]

Yeah fuck that

[jolly flume]

limiting didn't even make it that much faster ngl

[novel garden]

Those where indeed the days every sherpa run I have of garden was a div run

[kind elm]

i think gos 2nd and 3rd encounter are probably some of my favourite raid encounters in desitny

[terse zodiac]

Netlimiter cheesing the deposits made endgame so boring and shit

[craggy marsh]

I don't mind Div runs but the last puzzle before the final encounter always takes FOREVER bc people can't understand the concept of standing in specific spots

[zealous meteor]

changing his legal name to chiyo

[jolly flume]

my honest to god goat raid ngl

[pallid kindle]

you dont have to use netlimiter

[kind elm]

i dont think i ever finished gos trio sadly

[pallid kindle]

it IS cheating

[kind elm]

my group burned out right before we sent it

[craggy marsh]

I never got to finish my Solo run of Vesper

[novel garden]

True but it was never actually accounted for till like a few years ago but u had ppl doing it for doubling mote production in GoS so u would be skipping majority of the mechs

[kind elm]

vow and last wish trio are some of my fav times ever doing destiny 2 stuff

[jolly flume]

it took us two tries and the one wipe was because consecrated mind dunked me into the abyss while I was on the way to pop its eyes in 3rd enc

[kind elm]

holy peak

get dunked oooooooooooon

[pallid kindle]

if you're playing with a netlimitter you really arent any better than https://tenor.com/view/bilibili-destiny2-gos-garden-garden-of-salvation-gif-24218339

[terse zodiac]

Low key sotp trio was the best bc you dont even have to cheese anything its just fun quick execution

[novel garden]

and like that actually sorta tilted me at some points because I would be doing a sherpa run and watching someone do it so was like "great so now they don't learn a damn thing"

[jolly flume]

the bilibili is always too hard

d2 players are just like ff players

pressing a few buttons to do good dps is impossible

we must xenophage with the autoloading chest

[pallid kindle]

hotswapping was the best dps meta and its a shame bungie forcibly killed it for no reason

[novel garden]

Xeno with div and a well

[jolly flume]

dpsslop

[craggy marsh]

starfire protocol too

[jolly flume]

bring back nagis swapping

tbh starfire double slugs+rocket was fun too

[novel garden]

HOLY the amount of dps SF was putting out before they change grenade energy for warlocks

[jolly flume]

anything is better than field prep rocket spamming

god

remember when the game was fun

[craggy marsh]

The game was fun when the Ikelos Shotgun was meta

[terse zodiac]

Also was very funny 90% of community getting dps from vods of people who had no idea how to do decent dps

[craggy marsh]

back in Warmind

[jolly flume]

remember when bungie said they removed hotswapping for accessibility and then a double amputee posted a clip of them slugswapping templar with their tongue controller

GOD

I MISS DESTINY 2

[novel garden]

Remember when they first intro chain reaction to like I think it was VoW grenade launcher

That was the best feeling watching a room of ads explode

and now everything has chain reaction..

[jolly flume]

the vow grenade launcher...

[craggy marsh]

Remember when we got reprised Kings Fall and Golgorath had that one audio bug

[pallid kindle]

can we bring back ice pick meta

[dull drum]

um its still there

[jolly flume]

I miss when destiny 2 was good.

[terse zodiac]

What in the world is ice pick

[jolly flume]

I miss her.

[novel garden]

Recent surge in destiny 1 happening again apparently or at least some of the content creators are going back to it

[pallid kindle]

someone on DTG made a post for a new meta where you would use glaives and stasis supers and it was "ice pick" and nobody used it cause it was shit

on WQ launch

[terse zodiac]

Lmao

[craggy marsh]

Honestly Destiny 1 has a better vibe to it

I dislike the blown out colors in D2

[terse zodiac]

I remember eyes of tomorrow came out ehroar puts vod this is broken!! 27000 dps!!!

I try it out and its actual dogshite

[novel garden]

I sadly didn't get to enjoy d1 peak had horrible internet living out in the sticks etc.

[jolly flume]

eyes of tomorrow came out back when double slugs still existed

nobody's using that slop

[valid solar]

damn chiyo you were not joking about this EX, 30 minutes in and i've seen all the unique mechanics from a fresh pf

[jolly flume]

yeah

it sucks

[valid solar]

difficulty is non existent I fear

[craggy marsh]

Shoutout to Bungie not knowing how to properly copy and paste bc the Cosmodrome isn't even the same one as D1

[terse zodiac]

Rise of iron wasnt real

[pallid kindle]

yeah i think i got to the end of the fight in my fresh party

[dull drum]

whats even the hard mech anyway

orbs??

thats the only mech ive heard about

[jolly flume]

orbs is not real

[dull drum]

[pallid kindle]

but it took me several parties to clear because every NAUGHT HUNTS party i joined was ACTUALLY an adds prog

[craggy marsh]

I'm convinced Rise of Iron was retconned but also not retconned

[pallid kindle]

naught hunts is the only hard mechanic in the fight

but its probably moreso hard because everyone dies beforehand so you never see it

[terse zodiac]

Only reference they make to it is little siva symbols in a few places

[valid solar]

is the hard part resisting the urge to go in for uptime and clipping the party

[pallid kindle]

theres like 3 different versions of intermission now too which is awesome

[jolly flume]

the hard part is running in a circle

idk lol

[terse zodiac]

Default to hector is the safe bet (unless he shows them all idk not watched it)

[pallid kindle]

this was hector

[valid solar]

hector just does one

[craggy marsh]

pf is gonna default to him anyways

[pallid kindle]

original raidplan was from A THHT/RMMR(?)

theres a new raidplan which is north tank south healer now i think

its not hard but idk why we keep changing it

[novel garden]

so wait... did pf finally change rp again?

[terse zodiac]

Pf always changes rp

[dull drum]

welcome to early week shenanigans

[craggy marsh]

okay what the hell is NTE? is it a new gacha that people will go crazy about for 2 weeks before going back to their normal gacha?

[dull drum]

just wait till next week when someone finds a braindead uptime strat and then pf is all over it

[novel garden]

Cause last night group I was with was like "Hector said this" so I was just follow hector but then they wanted to change orbs from cw-cw to cw-ccw and like that snowball the holy hell out of us

[normal summit]

Literally the only prio order change that matters at all is to alternate tanks and healers, as TTHH and THHT can leave healers out of range of tanks during their buster

[jolly flume]

it's just a supernatural open world city gacha with some life sim aspects

[normal summit]

I went with pair spots because it avoids learning a new prio for adds

[craggy marsh]

gives me cyberpunk vibes

[jolly flume]

it feels kinda low quality though

imo

[craggy marsh]

oh boy another open world gacha

yaaaay

[jolly flume]

like there's nothing overtly bad at first glance but there's just...stuff

[craggy marsh]

we needed more of those

[novel garden]

I look at gacha games and I started ZZZ enjoyed it but then I stopped playing because I have to much back log

[dull drum]

welp at least i still have the two black sheep of gachas

fgo and nikke

[novel garden]

Like im at the end of ffvi let me finish without releasing a new shiny damn it!

[tall field]

I like one thing about hectoe

Hector

Off tank

Is south clock spot

Like thanks. Raidplan pls dont put me in that awkward place

Since clock spots OTs mostly has always played south

[zealous meteor]

idk what happened but i played genshin and star rail religiously for two years

then i dropped them and i cannot get into any gacha anymore

probably for the best

[vestal hollow]

hsr makes me feel things

[zealous meteor]

good things or bad things

[jolly flume]

I only play gachas where skill can actually compete with a wallet

[vestal hollow]

[jolly flume]

nowadays

[vestal hollow]

heh

[jolly flume]

which is not many

[grand mesa]

It's just like me with drinking!

[zealous meteor]

yippee (i think)

(if i'm interpreting that correctly)

[grand mesa]

I rarely drink anymore

But I used to do it pretty frequently

[jolly flume]

I only drink when I'm out with friends because I turn so red it counts as a party trick

I don't really enjoy it outside of social situations though

[dull drum]

same here i only drink as a social thing

outside of social its basically shit

[zealous meteor]

i've never had alcohol

never cared for it

[whole estuary]

it's nice if there's something to eat it with

and they make sweet fruity ones too

[zealous meteor]

fruity... just like me fr

[jolly flume]

the fruity ones lowkey dangerous

tastes like juice and next thing you know you're projectile vomiting in a trash can

[true beacon]

I can count on my hands how many times I’ve had alcohol

[zealous meteor]

still funny how i live in Weed Country yet ive never had weed or even alcohol

[true beacon]

This was the first I had

[zealous meteor]

...

[true beacon]

Was actually pretty good, but I didn’t have much

[wicked delta]

I drink too much for my own good

Im tryna be better tho

[tame shuttle]

Chiyo

[jaunty pulsar]

anything new purchasable with wolf marks for 7.5?

I didn't see new gear but I didn't check deeply

[jolly flume]

[jade nimbus]

Not with wolf mark, but there is a reskin of hellound armor now for crystal

As we as another past one

[jaunty pulsar]

I got that

thanks ❤️

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-3988055960776708451

[craggy marsh]

cone baits are too hard during adds pls understand

[jolly flume]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-angry-angry-cat-cat-no-kiss-gif-17322901381798500363

[valid solar]

ok think im good on all the mechs just need to find a clear party now

this EX might unironically be the easiest of them all

[craggy marsh]

poeple just need to use eyes during the last bit

[jolly flume]

idt it's necessarily easier than vali but yeah it's kinda slop

[jade nimbus]

Ex and slop

Name a better duo

[jolly flume]

male au ra and freaks

it's disappointing though because by and large the ex this expac were pretty solid

[craggy marsh]

white hair and fem miqo

[jolly flume]

so the last one being this shit is :(

[tired egret]

Me & ARR High End

[craggy marsh]

it fits for his inclusion in the msq being a wet fart

[tired egret]

[jolly flume]

at least wet farts have comedic value

what was bro even doing

[worn bluff]

idk why they keep throwing void/dark themed shit at us

[craggy marsh]

trying to do the same plan almost every other voidsent enemy has tried to do

[worn bluff]

we already had a bunch of it in post EW

[wicked delta]

My first time through I went “who the hell is this” LMAOOO

[craggy marsh]

they're really setting up that void expansion we're never gonna get

[worn bluff]

already had zeromus

[worn bluff]

idk FF's art style for the actual void/dark environments in this game have never really looked good to me so i'd rather them just stay away from it

[craggy marsh]

a void expansion sounds cool but idk how i'd feel about every zone being purple

[jade nimbus]

Tbf I feel like it is more likely we'll get the rest of the shards, ngl

[jolly flume]

the red moon

is so

[jade nimbus]

Then again I don't think we'll go to each shards on an separate expac

[jolly flume]

ugly

[wicked delta]

Idk troia looked pretty cool to me

[worn bluff]

i forgot some of the earlier stuff so when it said we were going to zero's domain i was like ohh what's it look like?? and then remembered it's that same run down spot as before

[worn bluff]

idk the interior kind of just looks like an ARR area to me

and then the outside area just floating in a gloomy sky doesn't make me want an expansion themed around that kind of aesthetic

[wicked delta]

A lot of ARR areas have voidsent in them so thats why i guess

[worn bluff]

yeah i think we've just had too much of that

[wicked delta]

Fairs

[worn bluff]

the enemies themselves aren't bad

[wicked delta]

Don’t necessarily disagree

I just liked troia’s interior

[worn bluff]

maybe we'll have some shenanigans where the 13th bleeds into the 4th and there are some areas that are ice+dark themed

[wicked delta]

Exterior was slop

[worn bluff]

or maybe they will make eden required for MSQ and then have gaia/ryne help balance out the 13th

[zealous meteor]

troia only exists to look cool

and it does

but it's kinda a nothing dungeon

[dull drum]

when are we getting a TB like that again

[jolly flume]

you wanna get behind me kitten the party so bad

[random needle]

Technically, wasn't there something like that in San Doria boss 1? Where the boss tries to clap the party between the arms and each tank needs to take a tower?

[zealous meteor]

yeah

[wicked delta]

Felt like the Main Character honestly

[random needle]

But yeah tanks should be able to have more moments like that I think, have TBs feel like "I am saving the team from an attack they can't possibly live" and less the boss randomly going "and fuck you in particular right now"

[jolly flume]

fury's fourteen

[random needle]

... I forgor, is that Halone in Euphrosyne

[wanton sky]

bruh

[worn bluff]

thunder god cid had the cool thing where tanks aren't supposed to take certain hits

anything that's not "tank hit mitigation and stand there for 1 hit" is nice to have

[jolly flume]

duty action in ramuh savage

[random needle]

💭 boss does half room cleaves that the party has to dodge, but the tanks need to soak to avoid the attack hitting the other half of the room too

[jolly flume]

I feel the random urge to make another tier list

[worn bluff]

tankbuster tier list

[worn bluff]

this is kind of double sobat

[random needle]

... Fuck you're right

[worn bluff]

double sobat is a cool TB

[random needle]

Maybe the boss telegraphs several in a row (like RRLRL) and the tanks can't take two in a row

[worn bluff]

reminds me of that boss in merchant's tale except if you made some of the tethers tank tethers

[jolly flume]

they just gotta make more tankbusters that actually interact with the rest of the party

instead of being

boss hit tank

nothing happens

fru had some neat ones

[worn bluff]

when 8.0 drops we making the DRG take darkest dance

[jolly flume]

frankly I don't think any busters in savage+ should ever just target top enmity unless they do something else, they should be baitable etc

wings dark and light was a pretty sick mechanic

[worn bluff]

CT wings were interesting

[jolly flume]

it just needs to feel like

you're actively taking something that the party cannot

idk

it's so lame when you just get a standard red tape buster

like the meteorain busters in 11 are kinda neat in that respect

[worn bluff]

this tier had fun tank stuff in general

also M10 basically becoming MT/OT agnostic

no one's allowed to be blue DPS

[jolly flume]

something like sobat should've had a close/far bait for the esoteric finisher imo

[grand mesa]

The p1s busters were honestly pretty alright

[zealous meteor]

fucked up

[grand mesa]

Ignoring the rest of the fight being ass

[zealous meteor]

tanks aren't allowed to have fun

[jolly flume]

Now playing: Ancient Shackles

[worn bluff]

idk it was kind of fun if you died in rep 1 and only having 2 seconds of leeway to be swift rezzed and voke for the final hit

[grand mesa]

Idk why people glazed p2s

The fight felt kind of stale past the first few reclears

[jolly flume]

aspho is kinda :/ in general

3 is like ok

[grand mesa]

3 was the best fight

[jolly flume]

4p1 mostly sucks p2 mostly sucks besides act 3

[grand mesa]

I liked p2

But I also was on blm, which probably kept things interesting to solve

[craggy marsh]

seems like this EX pf can't do the part where you have to be in the hitbox for the wild charges in the last half

[jolly flume]

the dynamo is smaller than you'd expect but after you see it one time there's not much of an excuse to fuck it up again

[rapid whale]

my excuse : i'm ass

[grand mesa]

Hi ass

I'm val

[worn bluff]

i'm a dumbass. i saw something up a 10 foot cliff in wuwa and thought "man how do i get up there??"

forgot you can climb in this game

[grand mesa]

gg

[rapid whale]

xiv brain rot

[worn bluff]

endfield brainrot

[grand mesa]

I tried to deadlock mantle slide in xiv today

[random needle]

p4sp1 was kinda interesting to work through blind the first time but now I'm starting to get sick of it

[grand mesa]

I miss deadlock

I should play some this weekend

[random needle]

Pinaxslop

[worn bluff]

i just pressed R to scan my surroundings. R is the ultimate button in this game

fml

[rapid whale]

bathed coil

[grand mesa]

gg

[jolly flume]

pinax is like the closest thing to an ok mechanic

everything else is insomnia treatment

[grand mesa]

Hesperos when he shows me his pinax

[clear plume]

P3s is so overrated and idk why

[grand mesa]

I think pinax is okay as a mechanic

Having to think about how you use your 2mins is something, at least

[wicked delta]

I showed you my pinax please respond

[jolly flume]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/31d1b6806517dadaa8dd0ba0a60e84b7/8c2ce4ff5d4efdf0-24/s250x400/c86b75a2308d68bfc9dc18ccc4b45586df9c3ae9.gif

[grand mesa]

Take me out to dinner first..

[wicked delta]

Im trying to get out of a dinner right now

[grand mesa]

Act like you're getting an important call

Leave

[jolly flume]

your fish is on fire

[wicked delta]

Tyfp my homework is eating itself

[craggy marsh]

Me when I want to buy one of the new FF shirts but they only go up to XL size

just say you hate fat people SE

[grand mesa]

They are based in japan

[jolly flume]

their shirt sizes are smaller than they're labeled too

[rapid whale]

wol isnt allowed to be fat gg fat phobia

[jolly flume]

I bought a medium from distant worlds last time and it's like

basically a small

[craggy marsh]

can't spell japan without fatphobia

[wicked delta]

I ordered a shirt once and it was medium

[wicked delta]

Shit was so small the front ripped

Fat fuck gg

[craggy marsh]

Ya back during EW when they had that PLD jacket I bought the 'XXL' sizes and it was actually smaller than XL

[grand mesa]

Asian sizes are smaller than US sizes, yes

[jolly flume]

and the uniqlo zipup I bought in japan because I ripped my other one has the zipper on the opposite side too

[rapid whale]

reminds me of this one cozy jpg series that made the mc for the latest one (a while ago) a lil chubby and it like blew up from the perverts

[jolly flume]

[grand mesa]

You always check the sizing chart

[worn bluff]

damn this guy called mornye a cripple

gg bozo

[jolly flume]

it still fits but it's tighter than I'd like 🥀

[craggy marsh]

atleast my fanfest shirt came in a proper XXL size

[jolly flume]

getting another one this year

[tepid briar]

they're also narrower which I kinda like as someone who's well, that

[grand mesa]

Huh

[worn bluff]

wuwa character with prosthetic legs

[rapid whale]

[jolly flume]

she has to charge them every once in a while too

imagine just walking somewhere and your legs run out of power

[grand mesa]

Try not to be ableist challenge

[grand mesa]

Rechargeable legs exist irl too

[worn bluff]

some NPC bad guy called her a cripple so she just killed him

[rapid whale]

i call this being out of shape no jutsu

[tulip wraith]

chiyo i blame you for making this dungeon go to shit

[jolly flume]

lung capacity is basically irl stamina bar

[jolly flume]

wtf

[worn bluff]

i thought she was going to just let it slide but she just started blasting

[grand mesa]

real

[craggy marsh]

do rechargeable brains exist

asking for a friend

[vestal hollow]

meow?

[grand mesa]

That's called going to bed

[jolly flume]

I'd trade my legs for lasers that I can shoot at people

tbh

[craggy marsh]

fml

[vestal hollow]

unrelated

is youtube being weird for anyone

[craggy marsh]

who needs legs when you have lasers

[tulip wraith]

not that i've noticed

[grand mesa]

Meow.

[vestal hollow]

Meow.

[worn bluff]

hers are space legs

[grand mesa]

Oh

I fw that aesthetic

[jolly flume]

she can also like

fly

it's kinda neat

[worn bluff]

she is v cool

[vestal hollow]

space feet

[zealous meteor]

what do you MEAN it's "being considered"

[jolly flume]

we'll think about it.

[zealous meteor]

taking a 2 page exam before the game will consider accepting me into a trial

[grand mesa]

When I see a new gacha character and they're designed like goonslop i end up just losing interest

[worn bluff]

wuwa has some nice toned back designs

[jolly flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194673125112172695/1473630385459036161/1ddbd461439604f55600e4503032453f.gif

this is my goat

[craggy marsh]

when I see a new gacha character and they have a tail but the tail is coming out of their back instead of where a tail would actually come out of

[vestal hollow]

then call me a goonlet

[craggy marsh]

[vestal hollow]

[grand mesa]

It can be done tastefully

[jolly flume]

endfield has a lot of good ones

[grand mesa]

But I appreciate it when games are able to tone it back, yeah

[rapid whale]

have you seen that one yt dude who tries to show how some fantasy animals would work with irl physics like a centaur

[craggy marsh]

I have not

[rapid whale]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rSV6lQtA9iM example

[worn bluff]

mornye is basically space version of this character, who is also v cool

[jolly flume]

jinhsi the goat

[grand mesa]

When the tail isn't attached to the tailbone..

[rapid whale]

ur a tail bone

[grand mesa]

I know

[jolly flume]

coccyx is a fun word

[craggy marsh]

coccyx

[worn bluff]

this might be a hot take but yvonne should not have been in endfield

[jolly flume]

shes goonbait

[worn bluff]

basically just a vtuber model

[jolly flume]

and also a terrible character that contributed nothing to the story

[grand mesa]

She looks like a zzz character

[jolly flume]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hi-endfield-saluy-4SmTJcGbPDAl1vLcVV

🐐

[worn bluff]

gilberta has a cool design but her character quest made me like her less lmao

at least with the EN voice

hearing her keep going "i wish i were stronger... wahhh"

they should have made her sarcastic

[grand mesa]

I might try endfield just for the factorio

We'll see

[jolly flume]

juuryoku, misete ageru :3

the factory system certainly isn't as in depth as actual factory games but idk I find it fun

[worn bluff]

the thing i like most about endfield is that the level design is like old school JRPGs. there's no climbing, gliding etc. you'll walk into an area with 10 treasure chests and have to figure out how to get to them

[grand mesa]

As long as the gacha system isn't coercive

I might stick around

[jolly flume]

every piece of content in the game is currently so piss easy you can solo them with a bottom tier unit

just pull for the cute ones

[worn bluff]

i had good fun with a F2P team. and there's enough content right now to hit pity on 3+ limited characters

[grand mesa]

I see

[worn bluff]

the main thing that sucks is weapon pulls

[grand mesa]

If I can clear on bottom tier stuff, it's probably good enough for me

[worn bluff]

yeah it's not really difficult at all

i only have one limited unit and button mashed my way to the special combat achievements

[jolly flume]

weapon pulls do suck for sig but you get a free battle pass weapon for every single banner character that's usually like less than -20% dps so the backup option isn't like

terrible

the factory kinda just mogs the combat content for me though

[worn bluff]

the combat is kind of xenoblade-like with chaining status effects

[jolly flume]

its fun trying to compact stuff down

[worn bluff]

i also like that you interact with the world more through exploration. you build stuff like power lines and zip lines throughout the levels

and it has the death stranding-esque thing where other people's structures can appear

and dark souls messages

[jolly flume]

I actually find the shared structures annoying ngl

I wish I could disable them

[worn bluff]

it's mainly the ziplines that are helpful

[jolly flume]

because all they do is get in the way of my own zipline routes I already set up

it's nice for the first time you explore a zone but after that

meh

[worn bluff]

i only have my own ziplines for one delivery route

i hit refresh until i hit that one route

[jolly flume]

I hit the protocol limit in wuling lmao

my zipline network covers basically the entire map and I have like 20 turrets around the alluvium zone to farm for me

[clear plume]

Ff16-core

[worn bluff]

i only have turrets in one of the V4 alluviums right now

i shared 4 with you

[jolly flume]

them mortars go hard

I don't even have to press buttons, I just spawn the enemies and check my phone 30s later

[worn bluff]

i wish i could have them stagger their attacks

[clear plume]

The bloons tower defence gameplay

[jolly flume]

arknights is originally a tower defense game

I wish they'd lean harder into it in endfield

[worn bluff]

there actually is a tower defense minigame too

i want more of it yeah

[graceful imp]

im in the process of trading my 770 crafted gear into the augmented 780 versions, do i just try to meld the 780 or do i "wait" for the next best set?
what am i supposed to do from here to progress?

[jolly flume]

there is no next best set unless you do savage

you can meld it if you want but I will remind you that melds don't do anything if you get ilvl/level synced so whether even that is worth it is really up to you

[worn bluff]

the 780 can't be overmelded so you may as well toss some materia onto it since it's guaranteed

it shouldn't be too expensive

[graceful imp]

ah right cause its not crafted

[grand mesa]

Just meld and use until you get better gear

[jolly flume]

hm

do I get pizza

today feels like a pizza angle

[deep gale]

what kind

[grand mesa]

I only eat pizza as takeout

Because every place here has pizza that only tastes better after 5 minutes in the oven

[valid solar]

I should have ordered pizza but now it is half an hour past midnight so I cannot

[jolly flume]

a good new york slice

[valid solar]

[jolly flume]

possibly pepperoni and burrata

idk

[deep gale]

mmmmm pizza

[jolly flume]

my favorite slice that this place does is fig jam and bacon

which sounds kinda weird but you'd get it if you tried it

[worn bluff]

sounds good

add some arugula

[grand mesa]

It's weird to me that current pvp picto is close to what old pvp blm was

Oh well

[lyric summit]

is there really no good source of centurio seals in this gmae

im trying to get stuff for armoire

[loud nymph]

No not really

You can do your weekly HW and SB b ranks

[lyric summit]

getting all HW job gear takes over 4 weeks of daily hunts

4.07 weeks

[loud nymph]

and whatever a/s ranks you can find in HW/SB zones

But the daily hunts are going to suck balls

[craggy marsh]

Naught Hunts is truly impossible content for pf

[loud nymph]

and centurio hunt trains are already pretty bad

[craggy marsh]

the concept of moving in a circle CW is too much for them

[inner shadow]

Whats the diff between doign m1-m4 savage?

[loud nymph]

?

wdym

[zealous meteor]

?

they're different fights with different loot

[loud nymph]

they are different fights

[inner shadow]

Are m4 better loots than m1?

[loud nymph]

huh

no

they drop different slots

[lyric summit]

4 drops weapon, 1 drops accesory

[zealous meteor]

M1 drops accessories, M4 drops weapon

[loud nymph]

m1 drops accessory, m2 helm/gloves/boots, m3 chest/legs, m4 weapon

[zealous meteor]

M2 drops... head/hands/feet?
M3 drops body/legs

[inner shadow]

Oh thanks, now I get it

[loud nymph]

m2 also drops the tome weapon item and accessory upgrade, and m3 drops the armor/weapon upgrade

[zealous meteor]

M2 and M3 also drop tomestone augments but those are mostly irrelevant now because they're like 50 nuts each

[inner shadow]

What drops head shoulder knees and toes?

[loud nymph]

that said

you shouldn't bother farming them unless you're needing fru bis

[jolly flume]

me when I dismember a white mage player

[inner shadow]

This made me remember the silly song

[loud nymph]

because the loot ain't worth using outside of that context

[zealous meteor]

what do you want to run M1-M4 for though? they're old raids, their gear is only used for FRU

you can go straight to current tier (M9-M12)
unless by M1-M4 you mean heavyweight M1-M4

[sinful brook]

And this is why m was a stupid letter choice for this

[lyric summit]

wait SURELY beastmaster content will award centurio just as blu gives allied seals

[sinful brook]

Fuck you frosty

[grand mesa]

M was dumb

[loud nymph]

yes, we should have gone with r

[grand mesa]

And I said it was this entire time

[inner shadow]

I havent uncloeked above m4 yet

[zealous meteor]

go do the normal raids then

[lyric summit]

too late for R now because 8.0 will have ragnarok

[loud nymph]

well each tier has m1-m4

[inner shadow]

No time for the wicked

[jolly flume]

lowkey just do it like we do extremes

[loud nymph]

But cruiserweight m1 is m5 and heavyweight m1 is m9

[jolly flume]

dt s12

[inner shadow]

Ohh, i'm on heavyweight m1

[loud nymph]

ok so that's m9-m12

[zealous meteor]

light-heavyweight M1-M4 don't have gear worth getting (unless you're doing FRU) and the experience of progging the fights is very different (as we vastly outgear them now)

[true beacon]

2000 and 3000

[inner shadow]

week or two I'll be done

[zealous meteor]

oh.

yeah that's M9

[inner shadow]

Yeah you are right, im going fully courtly now

[zealous meteor]

no, quetzalli augments are like 50 nuts

[inner shadow]

Yeah I saw new update has 2000 upgrade with nuts

[loud nymph]

yes, 2000 and 3000 is the Bygone Brass augments

[inner shadow]

will go there as welel

[grand mesa]

Time to log on and stare at my twink for 2 hours

[loud nymph]

the older tome ones are notably cheaper

[inner shadow]

I saw some builds of my char needs grand champ gear though

[zealous meteor]

quetzalli (surgelight), historia (evercharged), bygone brass (thundersteeped)

[jolly flume]

if you don't have it don't wear it

bis chasing is pointless in this game

[grand mesa]

Bis is only useful for doing the same savage fights they drop from

Or doing the ultimate that drops same patch

[inner shadow]

Are you japanese

[jolly flume]

no

[grand mesa]

There is no other reason to get bis items outside of that

[inner shadow]

I only got 1 sentence of your bio, my japanese is not very good

[jolly flume]

mine is alright

[inner shadow]

I saw BIS is mostly courtly so I dont really need most items

I got my crafters to a high point, only few materia left ot melf

[loud nymph]

Huh

[inner shadow]

meld*

[loud nymph]

Nobody's bis is crafted

[inner shadow]

Icy veins suggest courtly with some grand champ

[loud nymph]

If you saw a bis list that was mostly Courtly Lover's I guarantee you misunderstood the link

[inner shadow]

I saw other tutorial suggests grand champ only

[loud nymph]

Both are wrong

[inner shadow]

I follow balance and icy veins, idk if there are others

[jolly flume]

you are probably mixing up savage bis and pre-savage bis

[worn bluff]

if you see a "prog" set in a guide with courtly lover gear it's what people used to start the tier, before they get any loot from savage

[inner shadow]

Probably, this is from balance

[loud nymph]

Again, if you found a bis list that claims your bis is mostly Courtly Lover's then I guarantee you are not looking at a full best in slot list

But a savage prog list

[inner shadow]

What is FRU btw

[loud nymph]

No job uses mostly crafted as a full best in slot

Not a single one

[inner shadow]

most are between 11K-12K damage/100p, so I'm ok with that

[grand mesa]

FRU is an ultimate

[loud nymph]

Futures Rewritten (Ultimate)

[grand mesa]

Ultimates are a step up from savage

[inner shadow]

My curr gear is getting close to 11K

[loud nymph]

for what job

[inner shadow]

Summoner

[loud nymph]

bruh

You should be doing a hell of a lot more than 11k

11k is less than healer level dps

[sinful brook]

11k per 100 potency!

[loud nymph]

oh, I can read

[sinful brook]

Is not really how you look at damage lol

[worn bluff]

tbh i've never looked at per 100 potency idk what the baseline is

[sinful brook]

I mean from a calc perspective sure

But like that's not what most people read

[loud nymph]

anyway this is SMN bis https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|d5b4545d-6803-4b44-b826-6edfb3ca37a0

You will note the lack of Courtly Lover's gear

[inner shadow]

Im a new endgamer lol

[worn bluff]

damage per potency is weird to look at because it doesn't really account for what your kit actually is, and is hard to translate to actual gameplay results

[inner shadow]

Idk, they try to calculate it but as I understand ffxiv mechanics are bit complex it to reduce it to a single value

Not sure if I should go full DHT or CHT

[worn bluff]

damage per second is usually what's used

[jolly flume]

just buy the tome gear from the bis sheet, then fill in the rest with courtly lover and go raid if you want the rest

[loud nymph]

You should go with the link that I literally just sent 🙂

It has your melds and everything

[odd beacon]

I'm almost 40 clears in and I haven't seen it drop once

Its so dry

😭

[inner shadow]

I need progression gear, It will take me a lot of time to get all that bygone + grand champ gear

[jolly flume]

not really tbh, calculating the average damage from a crit chance with a crit multiplier is fairly trivial

[inner shadow]

I'm mostly relaying now on courtly as my crafters got maxxed now

[clear plume]

To skip a step, crit is always highest priority basically

[loud nymph]

That's what the Savage prog sets listed on the balance are for

[inner shadow]

Yeah but with DHT i can get 40-50% and CRT is 20-30%

What is better?

[jolly flume]

that's easy math to do

[inner shadow]

At least from the gear set website it tells me

idk what's the multiplier with DHT and CHT

[jolly flume]

it's just the weighted averages of your normal vs c/dhit multipliers

[clear plume]

30% crit at a .59 multiplier (current bis) is better than 50% dh at a .25 multiplier

[jolly flume]

but that's not that point anyway

[jolly flume]

just do this

[clear plume]

Crit multiplier goes up with extra crit, dh is always 1.25 of normal damage

[inner shadow]

idk, how does random works in ffxiv

[clear plume]

Not sure what you mean

[inner shadow]

Meaning for a long fight, what will cause more damage?

[clear plume]

Random is fully random, no smoothing is used

[jolly flume]

1+(0.3*1.59) vs 1+(0.5*1.25)

nothing remotely complicated

I hate markdown

[clear plume]

Nice asterisks

[inner shadow]

for 50% 1.29 the math supports going DHT

[inner shadow]

I love markdown

[clear plume]

But yeah, early expansion dh can be good typically, but it’s a linear scalar while crit is exponential, so it very quickly outscales it

By the end of the expansion crit is by far the best damage stat

[inner shadow]

Wdym Critical is exponential

I'll revisit the math guide lol

[jolly flume]

it scales both your crit chance and crit damage

those two multiply each other

thus you are increasing two values in your damage formula instead of one

[clear plume]

Because it’s both chance and damage, it multiplies off of itself, dh is always just chance and always the same amount

[inner shadow]

Oh increasing CHT also increase the damage it outputs?

[clear plume]

Yes

[inner shadow]

Ok now it makes sense

[clear plume]

Crit chance and crit damage both scale off crit stat

[inner shadow]

⭐

[shy obsidian]

I need to get on my extreme grind again