endgame-lounge

[limpid edge]

i need to see it

does it make the noise

[earnest topaz]

I highly doubt they're going to bring in every VA for character creation to add new lines

[limpid edge]

it'll just be a goofy same voice

shantoto's voice

[visual geyser]

whats the raidplan

[terse zodiac]

lmao the necron tankbuster gets dragged to the other side if they get hit by the hand? 😭

instant party wipe material ive never seen before

[limpid edge]

9m in my server

[zealous meteor]

hmmm. wondering if i should wait on ex until noclippy is back, or do it on war (because less weaves than drk)

[limpid edge]

omg it's a persistent emote

[zealous meteor]

WAIT IS IT

[limpid edge]

you just keep laughing

i need it

[zealous meteor]

same...

[robust shoal]

the lowest roll where you have better than coinflip odds of winning the loot is 97

[pallid kindle]

enuo follow orb prog party

40m until we actually reach mechanic

disband

[dull drum]

anyone have that ordained stillness meme gif

[loud nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-ffxiv-stillness-meme-ordained-stillness-ff14-gif-7878746418226500592

this one?

[raw sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1207969808897933312/1448199089488527451/stillness.gif

[pallid kindle]

pull #3 of the chasing orbs prog party

[dull drum]

nah i swear it was one where they blow up

[loud nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/thancred-my-turn-tea-alexander-perfect-alexander-gif-5984465933576420212

[pallid kindle]

pull #4

i just left

also the OT kept going to the MT one ??

[remote gate]

u press to leave party

[pallid kindle]

30 minutes to get in a party that cant get past intermission 😭

[remote gate]

ik extremes aren't the hardest thing but is this fight really attracting the worst players?

[pallid kindle]

this ex is not hard

im pretty sure ive seen everything ive just never gotten past the chasing orbs part which is the last mech before repeat

my fresh prog party in 1 lockout i think we got to chasing orbs

after that ive gotten to that maybe twice and 3 parties ive joined were supposedly up to that prog point

[jolly flume]

90 minutes blind

not a terrible fight but its not that fun lol

not compared to train

[remote gate]

was it done with pf or static mates chiyo

[zealous meteor]

no lumull </3

[jolly flume]

w/ static

[remote gate]

oh yeah you were deff gonna blow the fight

think you said earlier that this fight is basically zeromus ex with one dogshit mechanic that pf cannot do?

[thin fox]

for those who were waiting for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_WHJyXzyE

[jolly flume]

uh I didnt do it until now so I didnt really have an opinion before

[wicked delta]

HECTOR NATION RISE UP

[wicked delta]

This feels illegal

[clear plume]

Off patch exs are always worse than main patch ones

[slim urchin]

wonder why

[robust shoal]

bless raidplan guy for switching the side you go for intermission for no reason

snake prio but we do it backward bc why not

[jolly flume]

eyeball mechanic ngl

[pallid kindle]

THHT except the 2nd tank thinks hes the 1st tank for some reason

[robust shoal]

oh no hector does airy on intercards

I think eu did that so not a knock on him

It's just gonna cause confusion in na

[jolly flume]

we always do partners on intercards anyways

why'd it suddenly become cards

[pallid kindle]

oh

[worn bluff]

cardinals are just objectively better (when i play tank)

[robust shoal]

also I wonder if people are gonna come out with markers on top of the intermission tower spots

[normal summit]

I was surprised NA ever did cardinals for this fight. We've been pretty exclusively using intercards for pairs for ages in fights

[robust shoal]

I don't think you rly need markers for other stuff so that would be nice

[pallid kindle]

every party ive done in NA has been doing cards i believe

[robust shoal]

yeah

it'll probably shift though

[robust shoal]

and you're gonna have the period of people putting raidplan/hector in pf description like they're the same thing

[jolly flume]

thoughts

[robust shoal]

everkeep underrated

necron appropriately rated

[pallid kindle]

i liked everkeep more than valig

[loud nymph]

necron not rated low enough

[jolly flume]

I wanted to put enuo in D below necron but the static wouldn't let me

[visual geyser]

ahh would you look at that

[trim frost]

never did arkveld but i can get behind this

trials this expac felt kinda villain of the week tbh

[pallid kindle]

train is a fight that didnt need to be put in the msq but was because they need to put in a trial

at least the fight is actually good

[tepid briar]

they felt the need to use the train mechanic from omega again

[tepid briar]

NOT AGAINNNNN

(insert voice here)

[visual geyser]

oh this is a nice set

[tulip wraith]

i did it

[trim frost]

nothingburger

[pallid kindle]

this party im in is doing THHT except its T2 H2 H1 T1?

what is "modified intermission"

y r we making new strats for ts

[vestal hollow]

its from rokkon

its cool

[pallid kindle]

we actualyl cleared

o hmy god

[clear plume]

Sphene isn’t s tier tbqh, fight feels so slow

Which works fine for a savage fight sure, but extremes I prefer when they don’t have intermission type mechs

[pallid kindle]

what.

[clear plume]

?

Read the error and it explains it

[pallid kindle]

i DID update act

[dapper zealot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGGqHdyXAAA5w0P.webp

[visual geyser]

Goat

its taken me like years to do this btw 😭

[dapper zealot]

good thing I saved all those chestpieces

[tepid briar]

oh no

I installed a shader

and now my wol is extremely cute

[jolly flume]

music for this expansion

[tepid briar]

I put queen eternal (and the subsequent alexandria dungeon) in S tier

[trim frost]

zj is penis music

[tepid briar]

I would say Fatale is B

[dawn urchin]

Poor brute bomber

[pallid kindle]

everything burns sounds like a fanmade song and fanmade songs almost never sound good (EB included)

[tepid briar]

it's nice but I don't think there's much substance

[trim frost]

big agree

[tepid briar]

I think it's just more of a random song Morello chose

rather than something more tailored to the source material like Mili songs

it's okay, it's not great not awful

[jolly flume]

i wanted to put her B because her voice just doesn't work for me

[tepid briar]

that's kinda what I feel about a potential Ironmouse collab - I hope they put her voice to use somewhere it shines

[jolly flume]

but from an objective sense the lyrics are kinda on the nose

so the characterization works

[tepid briar]

okay that's true

the lyrics are really nice

koji DID do his research

[pallid kindle]

honey b lovely is at least top 10 ffxiv songs

[jolly flume]

I fuckin hate it but it objectively fits the character

so it is what it is

[tepid briar]

I would say wicked thunder is top 10 along with athena from last tier

[tepid briar]

lowkey I think it's a really balanced take on kink compared to how it's usually portrayed in media

[jolly flume]

oh I meant

bee my honey with that one

😭

[tepid briar]

oh I see

[trim frost]

gulp.

[tepid briar]

yea I agree

the themes were on point

[visual geyser]

ZJ theme 2 low

[tepid briar]

and they def went out of their comfort zone for these and they ended up really good

sugar riot, dancing green, and honey b lovely were outside of what they usually do

[pallid kindle]

if we do the 8.0 raid tier and i hear 2 songs total for the first tier im going to be VERY disappointed

(asphodelos)

[tepid briar]

give it all is a more traditional type of song they've done before

[pallid kindle]

after we got 5 every tier

[jolly flume]

I really dont know if they can ever do better than arcadion because without like characters with personalities they just can't make music as fitting as we got this expansion

[visual geyser]

holy shi i lied

lmfaooo

[jolly flume]

so here's hoping raids don't go back to monster of the week

[tepid briar]

I feel like they're gonna stick to humanoid raid tiers unless they really can't

because the metrics show that people eat that shit up

• I really love them showing up in the seasonal events

[visual geyser]

idk

[tepid briar]

awww black cat with honey b lovely and eutrope and the kid, they're cute

[visual geyser]

they already have eva characters thatll show up

[tepid briar]

at least hoping it's not like endwalker where it's like "oh boy another abomination"

[visual geyser]

any characters would be overshadowed

kek

[robust shoal]

dancing green music overrated

[visual geyser]

hell nah

[tepid briar]

I don't think it's absolutely amazing, but in terms of how far they got out of their comfort zone I think they did great

[true beacon]

not including the new trial?

[tepid briar]

I would say give it all is my #1 from this tier but it's a genre they've done enough times

[robust shoal]

I think I can hum all the other floors from memory except dancing green and kinda brute

[jolly flume]

I was too lazy to put it on the tiermaker but it's like B or C for me

[pallid kindle]

i dont remember brute 1 at all

[visual geyser]

i dont remember brute 1 at all either

[pallid kindle]

i cant really remember m6 either but i HATE that song

[visual geyser]

7 is just perfect

and way better

[jolly flume]

I remember 6 too well

I also hate that song

[pallid kindle]

also i really dislike unleashed primals

[tepid briar]

on the way to fanfest

[visual geyser]

Oh I love that one

[tepid briar]

I was progging m11s ost in my car

[visual geyser]

Might like that version more than the original

[dawn urchin]

One of my least favourites in the raid series

[visual geyser]

M6 theme drove me insane I had to replace it with locus

[pallid kindle]

i like the normal mode but the start of primals unleashed sounds like its off beat even if it isnt

[visual geyser]

The unleashed version is more epic

[versed kayak]

I wonder if anyone actually likes the M6S theme

for me it's just too...choppy if that makes sense, just sounds horrendous

[true beacon]

its not fully my style

but I like it

[visual geyser]

It’s okay

Listening to it during prog made me hate it

[robust shoal]

It's fine but I don't actively dislike any music in the game except daring dalliances and machinations

[pallid kindle]

it has higher views than the rest of the songs of that tier besides unleashed

[versed kayak]

huh

[visual geyser]

Not surprising tbh

[amber fable]

Slop gets views too

[robust shoal]

give it all with double the views as the next highest

[dawn urchin]

Why does heavyweight have less views in general?

[jolly flume]

that's cuz she's the goat

[pallid kindle]

its new probably

er

[jolly flume]

absolute tyranny is still my favorite song of the expac

besides a trail unending

[robust shoal]

yeah prolly recency

[dawn urchin]

Real

[amber fable]

I liked hw themes better over cw or lhw

[robust shoal]

plus fewer players at this point in the expac

[trim frost]

absolute tyranny is fun i just wish i wasn't forced to listen to it on loop for a full hour when the normal tier came out

[true beacon]

because its been out for like 5 months

[pallid kindle]

do you think we're gonna get new music for north horn

(we're not)

[trim frost]

we probably will

[visual geyser]

Yes probably

[amber fable]

Did zadnor had new bgms?

I forgot

[visual geyser]

Nop

[pallid kindle]

i dont think so

even dalriada re-sued CLL outside of diablo

[visual geyser]

But I mean

[pallid kindle]

s

[amber fable]

Maybe it wont

[trim frost]

soken said the volume of music for 7.5(x) was equivalent to 7.0

[amber fable]

Maybe it will

Yeah

[visual geyser]

Cosmic has had a new song every planet lol

[pallid kindle]

which is an insane statement considering theres not much more music than normal

[trim frost]

at the very least i expect new music for ftm

[trim frost]

bro

media literacy at an all time low everywhere today

my god

[pallid kindle]

unless we're counting the alliance raid

[visual geyser]

Reading comprehension you mean?

[amber fable]

New music can be new orch too

[trim frost]

reading is media 👍

[pallid kindle]

i mean DT had 66 songs

[dapper zealot]

I like it

[versed kayak]

Are we ignoring the "x" ?

Because there's still plenty of content we're getting

[amber fable]

Bst

Oc

Ult

[versed kayak]

and I'm guessing beast master will have a bunch of songs

[amber fable]

Msq part 2?

[pallid kindle]

i mean how much new music are we getting in the ult

[trim frost]

surely i did not misread. surely they are just lying

[amber fable]

Idk and anything new they might drop

[visual geyser]

Yea but when people say media literacy they usually aren’t referring to what someone said in a tweet

[trim frost]

🧍‍♀️

[amber fable]

Each phase but they dont remix till final so

[pallid kindle]

i mean ults dont even give us new music

[amber fable]

Remix is new

[jolly flume]

we usually get stuff that hasn't been in the game before

but has been in the albums they sell

[amber fable]

Usually

[pallid kindle]

so depending on what soken says is new it could come close

if we're counting windurst as new then sure

also 6.x ost isnt on spotify still

[visual geyser]

Probably was some new cutscene music i dint remember hearing anything tho

[pallid kindle]

i dont think there was anything new which i would've expected

[visual geyser]

I mean they added a bunch of new songs in 7.2 and .3

[pallid kindle]

so idk how we're gonna get close to an expansions worth

[versed kayak]

maybe they're giving each new CE a different song

[visual geyser]

Incredible…

That new planet ost is gonna go hard asf

[pallid kindle]

we're gonna get 5 more planets in 8.x

and 2 content releases for the combat zone

[visual geyser]

what if they just never stop releasing planets

https://youtu.be/1TPYM44UO10?si=0LKpmuqu3p5oUtoi

This is a top 5 ost this expansion frfr

[pallid kindle]

they should release a new planet every 2 months

i dont know what the difference is between them

but keep doing it

[visual geyser]

You get a different color of that one mount every time

And then they call it a day

[trim frost]

the mount choices are kinda mid except for the cosmoboard

[visual geyser]

Idk I just buy all the rewards off the mb and never do it lol

[stray forge]

At the end you can combine the mounts together to make megazord though

[pallid kindle]

isnt the 500k x all achievement mount the robot but black

[visual geyser]

They get omega fist next

[pallid kindle]

and then they released a 20k credit mount that is also the robot but black

[visual geyser]

Yes lmfao

It’s black but not matte

[pallid kindle]

500 x all

[visual geyser]

The achievement is a like matte black

[pallid kindle]

the other one has orange lights i think

[visual geyser]

The achievement one looks cooler

[pallid kindle]

vs

[stray forge]

From what I hear everyone just has their cousin grind the 500k achievements anyway

[visual geyser]

The other one is white and black but it looks cheap

[stray forge]

[dapper zealot]

No you're getting more whimsy cowboy saloon music

[visual geyser]

I don’t think I ever even entered that planet lol

[stray forge]

Also wait wasn’t it 50k

[pallid kindle]

its 500k

[visual geyser]

I heard the music and it wasn’t funky so I never even did it.

[pallid kindle]

for every craft/gath

its just like the pteranadon

[visual geyser]

They better lock the fuck in

[stray forge]

Either way

[tepid briar]

maplestory ass ost

[trim frost]

oizys is kinda funny honestly

the subway is a nice spot to gpose

[stray forge]

No one does those manually supposedly

[trim frost]

they also have a beach

[pallid kindle]

i dont

[visual geyser]

All the planets are nice to Gpose

[stray forge]

[visual geyser]

I should take pictures in all of em

[pallid kindle]

ive only used it to level though

[visual geyser]

My crafter still not even 100

I have like 4 left

Leveling them takes to damn long

Don’t ever use them anyway fuck it

[pallid kindle]

i want at least 1 craft and 1 gath at 100 for the tribes and then the custom deliveries but we havent gotten any after nitowikwe and the 7.5 one is a lame hat

[stray forge]

They are easy in oizys

To max I mean

[visual geyser]

Maybe I’ll do this last planet

Crafting is just boring

Gathering I kinda like

[brisk scarab]

I'm so glad PF is combining soon

[visual geyser]

Right?

[pallid kindle]

☹️

[visual geyser]

So many features they announced makes me not wanna play the current game

[brisk scarab]

I genuinely gotta wait until like, 12-1am to do farm parties for the new EX

Since Crystal is bare rn for people that have done it

[visual geyser]

Like not being able to do my expert roulette because of how much gear my healers has

😡

[pallid kindle]

this to that

or the dawnblazer set

[visual geyser]

My alt jobs are still in chaotic gear

Fries bro

Dawnblazer set is fire

[robust shoal]

I just want to get into evercold to rip the bandaid off with evo

[robust shoal]

I really gotta wait 9 months to see if it sucks

[brisk scarab]

two of my main jobs have the chaotic gear LOL

[visual geyser]

It’ll suck for the first patch for sure

Well that’s glam

I have the chaotic gear for stats

[brisk scarab]

oooooh

[visual geyser]

It’s either that or whatever dungeon gear I can stick on them

Put all my dungeon gear in the armoire on accident tho lol

[true beacon]

Windhurst sure is fun (boss 3)

[rapid whale]

i love it

[true beacon]

I used healer lb3 three times

[visual geyser]

Lmao

I like that 3rd raid

[true beacon]

Windhurst boss 2

its def my favorite of the three

[visual geyser]

People giving the final boss shit but not the nier final boss

[true beacon]

final boss was fine

[pallid kindle]

so this is why my clear party was different

actually my clear party was not this either

??

[craggy marsh]

tbh? the 4th boss of the AR is probably the weakest of the bunch

idk why but I expected it to have more going on

[pallid kindle]

i wish they did more with the dual platforms

promathia is probably the best one

[craggy marsh]

ya for sure

[visual geyser]

All together it’s probably my second favorite AR series

[jolly flume]

I feel like it just got worse boss after boss

[visual geyser]

I’ll have to run it again

But I enjoyed each boss

[pallid kindle]

so much better than myths

[worn bluff]

i read this as “moist”

[somber forge]

I really liked myths visually, thematically, and musically. It was just way undertuned.

[amber fable]

It was boring

Not even tuning can fix that

Mechs are all zzzz inducing

[pallid kindle]

the content itself just isnt that much fun

[somber forge]

It’s boring because the mechanics don’t do much. Hence under tuned

[pallid kindle]

tuning it would help a little but it doesnt fix boring

[amber fable]

Mech which takes 10 years to go off wont be fun

Regardless if it one shots or not

Ew casual content in general was slow

Mechanically

[robust shoal]

you literally don't even have to move at all until azeyma is at 65%

[inland tundra]

As a tank should I build towards crit/det as I head towards endgame

DRK to be specific

[amber fable]

Crit det for gear substat

Dh for meld

Crit ten is also fine

[inland tundra]

Tyty

[limpid edge]

im prepared to see a group of catgirls cackling in limsa

[old lintel]

yeah it makes you want to time skip until 8.0 lol

[tall field]

4th boss was menphina tier

In final phase

😭

[visual geyser]

Worse than red light green light?

[limpid edge]

opmg keyword filter is awesome

i can type HECTOR

or waidpwan

[tall field]

Boss 3 i somewhat liked

Boss 1 was good

2 was.. ok

4 was.. like it felt an insult

Shinryu was an example of a tough but manageable fight

In stormblood and tbh p1 in AR was good. P2 is when everything fell apart.

Its unreal imo is the hardest in the expansion.. vs other unreals

[limpid edge]

the real themis?

new trial sounds like a pokemon version of the theme

[clear plume]

over the past few days i spent like 26 hours fixing my skyrim install and it finally launches gamers

[round burrow]

Brought my partner into dt ex 1 and I'm so proud of him 💪

he got to 11% for his first try!

[dull drum]

at least hes getting positive feedback

[jolly flume]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGIXqEMaIAAiDQR.webp

[dull drum]

when i started it was me getting flamed by 3 people doing hydaelyn ex as my first non normal content while in a physics class zoom call

[raw sand]

[limpid edge]

last unique mech from a fresh party in one instance. Not bad for a day 2 PF

[keen cloud]

guys what're the best melees for FRU

[clear plume]

Ninja/monk are by far the easiest, rpr can be good but requires some killtime control.

Drg is fine but kind of just weaker ninja outside of p4, which is the easiest phase dps wise

If I had to say one, definitely just monk though, class can’t be fucked up by killtime, good cleave, good mobility, and the highest average damage.

[round burrow]

Funny enough, he was a raider way before I came into his life. It was when panda was still current content.

since I wanted to try current content for the first time and he pulled off his raider cap during dawntrail because he was "burnt out"
-# he still plays but for very chill reasoning

I still encourage him even if he's no longer doing dawntrail high-end content.

He is the reason why I got onto ffxiv in the first place

[limpid edge]

who here big on raiding?

[loud swift]

why, what's up

[amber fable]

Rpr best melee

[worn bluff]

imagine raiding

[loud swift]

Rpr is incredibly fun in dungeons

[worn bluff]

[loud swift]

I didn't like playing reaper in high end though

[amber fable]

I liked rpr in ew

Played anab as rpr mainly

[worn bluff]

i was a RPR main in EW and LHW. it was ok

not very engaging

nice to be able to pay attention to mechs

[loud swift]

i barely played in ew i started in ew and played a ton in dt

[amber fable]

Arena size hitbox helped

[worn bluff]

RPR is pretty fun in dungeons yeah

[loud swift]

idk what any job other than drg was like in ew

[worn bluff]

unlimited gauge

[loud swift]

i miss having 3 stacks of nastrond

[amber fable]

Most jobs are same as ew

Minus some timers here and there

[keen cloud]

guys drg or rpr

or some other secret melee that isnt one of those two

[worn bluff]

i'll have to see what 8.0 RPR is like

[keen cloud]

is rpr fun/satisfying even though its still negative?

[loud swift]

i like drg more just because i think its cooler

[worn bluff]

but DRG looking fun

[keen cloud]

drg is my fave rn

[loud swift]

well. i also played both and I find drg more fun

[worn bluff]

gauge negativity usually just changes whether you do a random enshroud between 2 min burst or not. it's not that big of a deal usually

[loud swift]

i hate dd being a separate button and the fear of overcap looms heavy with me cuz i forget it exists constantly

drg basically not having any resources to hold is nice for me ig

most you can hold is a wyrmwind thrust for a tiny bit

otherwise you spend as soon as it comes back

[keen cloud]

i am expecting evolved rpr to be quite an improvement

[amber fable]

Passive shroud guage

Maybe gibbet gallows will be akin to gsk/nas

[tired egret]

Evolved RPR hype

[loud swift]

rpr evo might be sick asf

[amber fable]

Then shroud is basically drg diver combo

Except communio

[tired egret]

Can't wait for it... it + EW on Free Trial (if I end up still being on that crap)

[keen cloud]

Rpr is 8.0’s potential job

[loud swift]

I mean WoL being reaper in 8.0 is pretty hype

[keen cloud]

Mm true

[tired egret]

I hope RPR is good, only reason I even came here

[amber fable]

Trailer jobs usually suck for that expansion

[tired egret]

Else I'd be in Korean MMO hell

[amber fable]

[keen cloud]

I’m not too worried about drg other than like

[worn bluff]

the question is

will arcane crest still suck

[keen cloud]

If the left/right positionals are just something everyone gets

Then it’s lame

[tired egret]

Make RPR a Rear Specialist

[amber fable]

Arcane crest breaking gives hm

[loud swift]

the sky high button 100% needs to be retuned for drg but the overall idea is cool

[keen cloud]

Arcane crest breaking gives you a counter action

[alpine plover]

bro healing top is tough business

[robust shoal]

release arcane crest was kinda nutty

500p aoe heal

[keen cloud]

I neglected release rpr

I was a caster back then

[alpine plover]

did chiyo respond

guess not

[worn bluff]

i originally had this idea for arcane to be like third eye except it gives you a small damage buff. but i thought it would suck for buff alignment. if 2 min buffs are going away though, it could work

[robust shoal]

speaking of rpr/top rpr is annoying in p1 bc if you tbn them for a tower and they use arcane crest the tbn doesn't pop

[amber fable]

Tbn someone else

[worn bluff]

i thought TBN was higher priority than arcane crest

[alpine plover]

arcane crest reduces damage no?

[amber fable]

No

[alpine plover]

or not?

[amber fable]

Its 5% shield

[alpine plover]

mb

i don't play rpr

[robust shoal]

arcane crest gets higher prio when it gains the heal

[loud swift]

i think the only thing they said was that since the removal of true north, some job actions will function similarly to it. vengeful jump for drg gets rid of directional requirements for one action
so i assume other jobs will have directionals but idk to what degree

[worn bluff]

weird

[amber fable]

It heals on break

So how does that work?

[alpine plover]

i learnt that rpr can send their 2mins at like past limitless for some reason and it's a dps gain or smth

[robust shoal]

traited arcane crest and pct shields are the only shields with prio over tbn

rpr loses an enshroud if they don't send it end of p2

[alpine plover]

i seeeeee

makes sense

[robust shoal]

with fast kt you get some really annoying drift tho

I played rpr in top with a group that held, I'd be flipping tables if gluttony got pushed so far back I couldn't split enshroud in p3 opener

[trim frost]

could you always stand up here

[finite plank]

turning this into geoguesser with that image

i'd guess mare

i dont see why you couldn't stand on it with that slope all the way up

[valid solar]

Anyone got the popular pf raidplan link

[robust shoal]

This is what people were using yesterday https://raidplan.io/plan/z6hesq84t7ewujw9

[valid solar]

Thanks

[robust shoal]

I assume people are mostly doing mod intermission (linked in the description there) or hector (which is almost but not entirely the same)

cuz the og raidplan putting g2 left in intermission

[thin fox]

wtf why is alex suddenly broken

well updating alex fixed it

[thin fox]

man the trial has so much aura

SUCH IS THE POWER OF THE VOID

[valid solar]

wait what does this extreme drop again

a weapon with ilevel equivalent to tome ?

[dapper zealot]

785

[finite plank]

basically -5 from 790

[amber fable]

Add 15 to ex ilvl requirement

Thats your ex wep ilvl

[brisk charm]

yaayyy ex7 defeated :3

[amber fable]

Now do it 49 times more

[brisk charm]

[valid solar]

Im just about to start prog

well

[dapper zealot]

the weapons look very mid tbh

[valid solar]

I will start prog later today when NA is awake

[amber fable]

Its extreme

Depends on ex theme

Most of ex wep looks bad

Due to that

[dapper zealot]

heh get it, extheme

[amber fable]

Damn auto correct added a space

[finite plank]

craftable wolex wep when

[loud nymph]

not this expansion that's for sure

please look forward to it in 8.x

maybe

[finite plank]

2027...

[marble grove]

January 2027

That's....

246 days until January 1st

[tall field]

How bad is dps check

Of ex7

[thin fox]

wits off patch extreme

there is no dps check

[dapper zealot]

Such is the power of the void

[lyric summit]

where did they say he was during dt? roe homeland?

[dawn urchin]

Hes that dude that no one invited. He just randomly shows up

[dapper zealot]

rude

[tired egret]

nah that's def for 8.0

or 8.x

[thin fox]

pelasseee give me a quick levelling dungeon

[dapper zealot]

Hoary is chad

[thin fox]

https://tenor.com/view/son-higuruma-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-higuruma-son-gif-17328030622248508899

well at least its not a dark knight

[finite plank]

at least it isn't arr dungeon

[lyric summit]

need to rerun all dungeons ever for armoire gear now

[tired egret]

they wanted a quick levelling dungeon, and sadly ARR has them

[lyric summit]

i guess theyre just outfits for now, but they'll get put in the armoire soon for sure

[tired egret]

I still hope the other dungeon gear from ARR gets the outfit set treatment

[thin fox]

im just here cuz i havent done relic step yet

[valid solar]

oh if you're running the rolo for your paste I can help out with that

not doing anything in xiv rn

just staring at pf and eating my pasta

[thin fox]

i suspect someone in this party is not hitting buttons

cuz its 15m in and we've only just beat 2nd boss

[random needle]

Fun fact: you can just leave

[fading spoke]

I was wanting to test how far it goes lol

[marble grove]

In the background you can hear "Where they going?"

[visual geyser]

Azem crystal told them to bro

[marble grove]

"My glowing rock is telling me I have to go, sorry bout that. Cya sometime"

[thin fox]

25m dungeon 0 wipes

[marble grove]

I don't think I've ever wiped in a dungeon since like halfway through DT

We came close to in the cactus boss but thx to pld heals me and a dps managed to save it

that boss is probably the closest we'll get to a "how good are you" check lol

oh and the newest Alliance Raid kept wiping some other parties and half of mine at various point xD

[thin fox]

ok lets see if I can clear this extreme

[remote gate]

you can clear it

[thin fox]

lets see if I can clear this extreme [tonight]

[marble grove]

isn't the new extreme kinda on the easy side?

iirc MrHappy mentioned it was the easiest one

[lyric summit]

theyre all kinda easy this expansion except like, zelenia

[visual geyser]

EX trials and hard

l o l

[lyric summit]

cause it's body check + puzzle

easy for one guy to explode the whole thing

[marble grove]

Tbh I think even unreals are just scary due to the naming

I tried to do the birb one and it was kinda simple once you figure it out

[thin fox]

sphene was p rough

[proven pivot]

Is the new ex easier than train ex?

[lyric summit]

nah train is easier

[remote gate]

train was goated imo

it had the right amount of difficulty + a meme mechanic that would troll ppl

[thin fox]

fuck this shit im out

[dapper zealot]

I believe

you can solo

[proven pivot]

It was soo fun

Bruhhh I need mb prices plogon i’m getting SCAMMED

[finite plank]

new ex is harder than train, easier than necron

hardest ex imo is necron

fastest kill i've had due to nobody dying i think would be 8:36, the very start of 2nd chasers/hunting

[amber fable]

Its 770 ilvl but the check is lower than m9s

[finite plank]

hunting is probably the most hardest part while hitting the boss followed up by repeat mechanics which makes it gradually harder to recover if people are dying

it's fair imo

[jolly flume]

I don't think it's harder than train ngl

felt like probably the easiest of the expansion besides maybe valigarmanda

[finite plank]

zareel and valigarmanda, they're easy as it's not so bad if people die gradually by whatever accidents that may have occured

train is... the only lethal part would be mistaking stack and spreads, that's it

and then there was the cheese strat that wanted mits similar and slightly lesser than the amount of mits fixer wanted

[amber fable]

Hardest ex going by pf was sphene

For me atleast

I got enraged at p2 once

🥀

[finite plank]

the memory game from necron was annoyingly difficult for me

sphene was funny

[jolly flume]

remind me what memory game you mean

[finite plank]

p2 wasn't the prog point, managed to 1 shot it

[jolly flume]

I wiped that entire fight from my mind

[finite plank]

the donut, point blank and cross? while keeping track of lp or pairs? i think there were pairs

and they were vague symbols

[jolly flume]

oh the one where it stores 4 aoes

[finite plank]

4 of them in sequence

that part was annoying for me besides the add phase

[amber fable]

I never understood that mech in normal mode

[jolly flume]

adds phase was just disgustingly boring

[finite plank]

sure, monkey do monkey see does work but eh, not very confident feeling about it

compared to this ex? i dont need to remember much and can actually see what's coming in real time

[amber fable]

Dt ex in general were easier

[finite plank]

and then there's train where i dont need to see a lot and it is seemingly very scripted

[amber fable]

But not all boring af

Unlike ew which had a lot more mix bag

[jolly flume]

tbh I kinda felt the same way about everything besides the portal soak mechanic in this one

they're all just nothing burgers

[finite plank]

zalenia was only annoying because SE thought it was a great idea to colour the tiles in such a way that I can barely tell the difference, and i wasn't the only one struggling with colourblindness

[amber fable]

I didnt had issues with floor

Day 1

[jolly flume]

took a couple pulls to experiment until we figured out to partner soak them and after that nothing else took us more than one glance to figure out realistically

[finite plank]

used monkey do monkey see, but it is very difficult to identify the differences before it got fixed

[amber fable]

Now its blank

Till she does mech

[thin fox]

fun fight

im a goat

[tall field]

For me the annoying thing was bloom 3

THe amount of wipes I HAD in that part

LEts put it this way

[random needle]

Bloom 3 was fine, Bloom 4 can fuck right off though

[woven thistle]

Hey folks I'm the world's worst raider but I'm trying to learn, I have been trying black mage but I'm dead 80% of the time because I'm too busy watching my rotation to notice whatever the fuck the boss is doing, is there a class that's made for morons like me?

[tall field]

I reached Bloom 6 to clear
WITH 10% Echo buff

Yea that bad

[thin fox]

uh if you still want to cast you could just try the other casters

on average less punishing

if you want my personal opinion on difficulty i would probably say blm>pct=rdm>smn (pct/rdm is a little hard to compare because i think they have similar floors but rdm's ceiling is quite high)

[mortal stone]

summoner

[jolly flume]

it's also just practice more angle ngl

[tall field]

Wait did summoner buffs make it good now or

Still people pick the other 3

[thin fox]

well

its still summoner

[jolly flume]

everyone experienced what you are at some point

[random needle]

First, being that negative about yourself doesn't benefit anyone, including you. We all have to go through the learning process, and we all sucked once upon a time. As long as you can look back, see what you did wrong, and learn how to not repeat your mistakes, you'll go far. It's gonna be alright.

Second, if you want to stay with casters, Summoner is the easiest one. If you want to try other roles, Dancer is also ranged, and Viper is the most straightforward melee

[thin fox]

its kinda funny that rdm is probably the hardest to opti caster now

[tall field]

ALso idk if this is true
People say BLM is easier vs PCT

when it comes to mistakes

and course correcting

Like u place ur starry in a bad spot

[jolly flume]

what is there really to fix

ever since enochian got taken out back there's no longer hard failure states on anything it's just oh

I do less damage now

[thin fox]

if you like interrupt a paint its just kind of annoying but if you fuck up your mana on black mage (say you fat finger despair early) you just kill so much more potency

[jolly flume]

cry about it

[lyric summit]

if you're bad at the game then changing jobs won't really change much, just get better at the game with practice

[jolly flume]

yeah that

[lyric summit]

at least you're familiar with how the job plays

[thin fox]

also i saved the ex clear pull with living dead

that's your OFF TANK

[tall field]

Took both orbs?

Wild charge style

[thin fox]

healer partner died to something so i had to ld orb with them

and we had no rez casters so if healer died we were goners

[jolly flume]

there's already a strat floating around in cn where the tanks just soak all 8

[thin fox]

is it just invuln + sprint

[tall field]

But the timing?

[thin fox]

[jolly flume]

no you just sit dead center

and wait

[tall field]

Ig LD will be liberal in timing window but

[thin fox]

these fuck ass

chase aoes dude

[jolly flume]

timing doesn't matter

[thin fox]

can't wait 4 my farm parties to get #Touched from greedy ass dps

[jolly flume]

there's ~8s between orb sets reaching the middle

[tall field]

Do they kill u if they catch u?

[jolly flume]

if you can't time THAT well

[tall field]

Those chase orbs

[thin fox]

they wont one shot you but they hit you quick so

[jolly flume]

if you're slow you're probably dead but

it's not particularly hard to not be slow

[thin fox]

faster than slidecast speed

[jolly flume]

it's roughly equivalent to just

normal ass walking speed

[tall field]

Oh
No need to sprint panic right?

[thin fox]

sprint is nice

[jolly flume]

sprint if it makes you feel better

technically it doesn't matter

[thin fox]

the main thing is just be careful where youre leashing it

cuz you can end up just pulling it thru mid

[tall field]

and PK others... ;-; ye

[thin fox]

so you wanna be sure its chasing around the sides properly

[jolly flume]

just go 90 deg from where the person behind you left it

apparently pf cannot comprehend this

but it's not that hard

[boreal pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608341741933953035/1338152283430719614/Looming_Chaos.webm?ex=69f4b66e&is=69f364ee&hm=2cc067050f1a32ab5868811c60253d4e6141fe9da3905a11ec9b212c39ac0697& pk you say

[amber fable]

Real chads just come over same tile and not die

[tall field]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-missed-part-where-thats-my-problem-gif-18535010

the dps doing this

Altho chaotic will be easier now

But no way we skipping swaps and chaser

[amber fable]

It was easy since day 1

[tall field]

Our team lost to 6% enrage

;-;

Despite clean swap

[amber fable]

Too many dds and deaths

Swap dont matter if you have double digit dd/deaths

You will likely enrage anyway

[thin fox]

anyway opinion on ex7 might change with farm but if i had to rank the extremes (i'm going to include the endwalker ones too as a point of comparison)

S: Doomtrain (DT/ex6), Golbez (EW/ex6), Hydaelyn (EW/ex2)
A: Sphene (DT/ex3), Barbariccia (EW/ex4)
B: Valigarmanda (DT/ex1), Zalenia (DT/ex4), Enuos (DT/ex7)
C: Endsinger (EW/ex3)
D: Zodiark (EW/ex1), Zoraal Ja (DT/ex2)
E: Zeromus (EW/ex7), Rubicante (EW/ex5), Necron (DT/ex5)

[boreal pumice]

someone said they got a kill just as she was going into p3

[amber fable]

P1 is where she takes more damage anyway

[tall field]

WOW Mountain fire disrespect

Mountain fire tho is the only thing good in the ex ngl

[boreal pumice]

wheres the MH ex

[amber fable]

8.0 will clear before tiles

[thin fox]

uh probably C tier

[finite plank]

this is some advanced fuck you i've seen

[thin fox]

this is not factoring in totem count btw

because

if i did

zalenia would drop down to D tier

[amber fable]

Zalenia is D tier

[thin fox]

holy fuck man stop with the 1 totem extremes

[amber fable]

Due to that

8.0 might not even have totems anymore

[thin fox]

i'm just trying 2 judge based on on-content fight rather than like totem which is just like system level bs

[amber fable]

Although I dont expect significant changes

[thin fox]

i hope 8.0 moves totems to the currency menu like the beast tribe currencies

if nothing else

[amber fable]

Same shit different currency

[thin fox]

so that we dont have to carry totems in inventory anymore

same w raid books

pls just make it currency

0 benefit to having them be items

[amber fable]

Universal currency

Like new ex give currency 2

Old gives 1

And you use those to buy weps

[thin fox]

I dont necessarily mean like that I just mean have it be something in a menu instead of an item you hold on to

[amber fable]

Yeah its all like sack of nuts

[thin fox]

well the comparison i had in mind was just the beast tribes

[amber fable]

Hence universal

[thin fox]

have each expac be a diff page

can have tiers on one page, extremes on another

[jolly flume]

having to kill a fight 100 times for a mount is legit kinda insane ngl

[amber fable]

Expac agnostic currency

[jolly flume]

there is not a single fight in the game fun enough to warrant that

[visual geyser]

50 is fine

[thin fox]

i don't think having it be universal makes sense

[visual geyser]

100 is actual torture

[amber fable]

I mean whos gonna buy old ex weps

When new drops

Its like using tomes to get 2nd tier set

[visual geyser]

they said they rework raids, hunts, fates, 24 mans, trials but watch dungeons remain the exact same

l o l

[thin fox]

i don't think you should be able to use old extreme clears to get the new mount

[amber fable]

When 3rd tier exist

Idk man..i feel you shouldn't be restricted by fights

[thin fox]

if you want the ex mount you should have to do that fight

[amber fable]

But again it most likely wont happen

You can make it for wep only

Make mount different

[thin fox]

sounds incredibly dumb

[amber fable]

It does

[thin fox]

we dont need more encouragement to not do content lol

[amber fable]

Yeah..okay

Not the best idea

[thin fox]

I think reducing the totems for mount is fine

[jolly flume]

idk man I just think the rates need to go up a bit lol

[boreal pumice]

what fight is the most fun to farm either be current or old

[thin fox]

I think at minimum it should never be 99 clears for pity

[amber fable]

Make it 25 clears

Achievement

Fix drops

[thin fox]

i think making you wait is fine

[random needle]

You're asking Chiyo, it's definitely gonna be an ult

[thin fox]

because if you dont wanna wait you can just farm more

[jolly flume]

like I get this shit is meant to be earned over a long-ish period of time but 100 kills is a hard sell even to people that do play the game very frequently

[thin fox]

but if you dont wanna farm you can just wait

[amber fable]

Late patch achievement

So its guranteed

If you farmed

But wont get it at patch

[thin fox]

its already guaranteed if you farmed

???

[amber fable]

No

[jolly flume]

and ideally the mount is purchasable like

[amber fable]

If you did 50 clears already

[jolly flume]

halfway through the patch

[amber fable]

And dont have it

[visual geyser]

50 clears is fine

[amber fable]

Then new patch adds achievement whicv does

[visual geyser]

and should just be the standard

[jolly flume]

50 is tolerable

[amber fable]

Automatically

[thin fox]

i think having it unlock the subsequent patch is fine

cuz new ex out

so like 7.2 ex mount buy unlocks at start of 7.3

[jolly flume]

idk I just feel like having to kill the boss 100 times and THEN wait five months stings

[amber fable]

50 kills is already enough

And its not even like mounts are super unique

[visual geyser]

also stop making people have to wait

[amber fable]

Plenty of ways to improve acquisition

[visual geyser]

i had to wait like half a year just to spend my shit

[amber fable]

Without making it too "free"

[visual geyser]

the mount should be buyable the next patch

[thin fox]

i mean i think part of the annoyance would be alleviated if the totems were just in the currency menu

so then you're not having to carry around an expansions worth of totems while you wait for unlocks

[amber fable]

It would help

But then currency window ui

Will be fucked

[jolly flume]

I just shove them in my retainer along with everything else

[thin fox]

i mean they're already completely reworking the ui

so

you can easily rework the currency ui to have better per-expansion divides

can have a page for each expansion's relevant currency

tribes/extremes/raid tiers

[amber fable]

That can work

Rn i keep em in saddlebag

For current expansion

[thin fox]

cuz there's rly not much value imo to having them be items

not like you can trade them

[amber fable]

Savage books

Totems

Ult totems

Lot of shit can be thrown there

[worn bluff]

yeah the waiting is nonsensical

the loot system is already ass. if someone goes through the grind to collect 99 totems they shouldn’t be able to get the mount yet? come on now

[woven thistle]

Is melee much harder than caster?

It is in wow but nfi here

[amber fable]

Depends on job

And fight

[thin fox]

i think there's ups and downs

[amber fable]

Usually melee is easier

[versed kayak]

just have it scrollable and searchable like GW2

[thin fox]

ranged have more freedom in terms of where they're allowed to park but you often deal with casttimes that limit movement

but melee also have busier rotations on average and positionals

also melee players are bad people

[dapper zealot]

mb

[worn bluff]

in endwalker melee was easier because you were able to stand in melee range and do mechanics for almost everything

[amber fable]

Hitbox arent that small in dt

Still

[versed kayak]

EW hitboxes are also stupid

[amber fable]

You can greed a lot

But some disengage is non negotiable

[jolly flume]

strats tend to be designed to baby melees

because they will shit and piss and throw up if they have to get off the boss

so most things are done in such a way to facilitate that

[stray forge]

Why is it always excrement 🥀

[jolly flume]

silence melee player

[worn bluff]

it’s not just the hitboxes. it’s where they put the safe spots for mechanics

EW almost everything you had to resolve had some way to be in max melee

[amber fable]

Made for rpr /j

[worn bluff]

DT has much more of forced disengage

[amber fable]

Yeah I know

Some disengage you cant avoid

But its not that many

And you can greed some of it

[jolly flume]

red mage is honestly a lot more fun now than it was in ew

because you're not guaranteed to be in melee range where you can whip a sword combo out of your ass at will for movement

also partially why I despise the bluetooth combo

[wicked delta]

Especially viper players

Evil individuals

[amber fable]

Mb

[wicked delta]

[woven thistle]

🙁 viper was the one I liked most

But I am bad

And evil

[worn bluff]

like even the stuff you’re able to greed requires more engagement than in EW

[zealous meteor]

so is this fuck vipers ( ) or fuck vipers ( )

[jolly flume]

fuck vipers

[amber fable]

Fuck (off) vipers yes

[wicked delta]

Yes

[stray forge]

Hatefuck

[zealous meteor]

bakool ja ja
i'm not actually sure if he's a viper or not

[tall field]

is e1s possible solo?

[valid solar]

he is

in the solo duty fight he says "have you heard of the viper style ?" if you arent a viper, and "I see you also know the viper style" if you are

er wait no

sorry I thought you said gulool

I think bakool ja ja just dual wields a sword and an axe, no specific job

[woven thistle]

Oh viper is low DMG?

[tall field]

Pure beam just murders me

whenever i try to dodge

[dapper zealot]

EH Why only you?

[valid solar]

if we take a look at the 90th percentile rankings for the DPS jobs, we see that the average difference between the highest, and the lowest (in terms of RDPS) is only 3k

play whichever job you want

[amber fable]

!faq metameme

[storm frost]

**Do not use this to answer questions**

[jolly flume]

not really but you're also going to hear this line like a broken record: your own skill matters significantly more than the job you play until you reach the 95+ percentiles

[worn bluff]

simply be the best machinist in the game

[amber fable]

Crit 90% on mch

Become top dps

[jolly flume]

I would worry about performance differences in jobs when you are already competent enough to play all of them at a very high level

before then there is genuinely no point

[valid solar]

chiyo did you finish the new ex yet

[jolly flume]

yes

[valid solar]

how is it

[jolly flume]

4/10

[valid solar]

[wicked delta]

Damn it aint that bad

[jolly flume]

compared to everything else this expansion it really is

please refer to the tier list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1466499045840126013/1499243842291896330/image.png?ex=69f4bfe2&is=69f36e62&hm=10c8851523633f9c9d5806604dfb5337ba04840e130385affc60e0f5709de3ed&

[wicked delta]

The only ex I havent touched is necron but I found Zelenia more slop than Enuo

[jolly flume]

zelenia is infinitely more creative with the tiles sharing mechanics than enuo could ever dream of

[amber fable]

But it dont do nothing

Thats the thing

[jolly flume]

"it don't do nothing"
-guy who tank lb3'd bloom 6 every kill

[amber fable]

Dont even need lb3

If you press mits

[jolly flume]

lol

you're not disproving the point

[amber fable]

You skip it with good parties anyway

[jolly flume]

that's still not the point

there isn't a single interesting thing in enuo either in execution or in concept

like genuinely name one

[tall field]

Adds?

Surely

[worn bluff]

i will blindly trust this and not even try the EX

[jolly flume]

is "preys don't stand in towers" and hit adds that die in 3-4 gcds interesting

I don't think it is

[tall field]

ADDS DIE in 3 4 gcds wtf

worse than necron

[jolly flume]

idk I'm on healer idk if the others have more hp

but it's just necron adds with less hp

[valid solar]

yeah they should last at least 6 or 7 gcds

[amber fable]

Guage fill phase

[dapper zealot]

Is the add phase the same section as normal? I hate how far spread out they are

[valid solar]

not at all

its like m9s towers

you stand in tower, it spawns add

[jolly flume]

I don't remember the normal adds phase

but yeah 4 people get preys 4 get nothing it's role based

[valid solar]

normal adds phase was like necrons, it just spawned a bunch of adds around the arena you had to kill

[jolly flume]

nothings take towers, adds spawn, tether to the person who soaked them

[dapper zealot]

When you go into that dark void bit, before you break out via the light portal thingy

[jolly flume]

do role base """""mechanics"""""

healers get esunas tanks get interrupts dps get a gaze

[pallid kindle]

the damage check is very light for the ads and both minibosses

[valid solar]

which mechanic is CFM ?

[pallid kindle]

is this for the ex ?

[valid solar]

yeah

[pallid kindle]

no clue

[valid solar]

oh wait maybe it means CFM | Hector as in the raidplan

[pallid kindle]

hector and raidplan arent the same

unless theres a new raidplan

i did a run yesterday that wasnt raidplan OR hector

[jolly flume]

idk that theres anything that means besides clear for me

ngl

which uh

that's a little ambitious I think

[pallid kindle]

theres no mechanic that abbreviates to CFM so idk

[valid solar]

fresh to cfm

[lyric summit]

job identity frfr!

[valid solar]

[worn bluff]

speedprog for 1. 0 million for full lockout

[pallid kindle]

what if

[jolly flume]

[pallid kindle]

instead of needless abbreviations

we just SPELT out what we're talking about

[limpid edge]

Cubic feet per minute

[worn bluff]

forget this EX i'm progging wuwa instead