endgame-lounge

[zealous meteor]

anyway will you forgive me for not recognising you mr tobias

[loud nymph]

Well luckily soon we will all be queueing together

[zealous meteor]

listen. when i change my nickname, it usually includes e'jusana
when sarah does it, it doesn't

[inner shadow]

First courtly craft!

[random needle]

... Did discord eat my message about the identical names

[wicked delta]

caught

[marble grove]

10 5

The new 6 7

[dull drum]

to be fair her initial voice lines were awful the rerecords are a lot better

[pallid kindle]

ON CERBERUS of wod

[marble grove]

Yes but that's not what the meme was making fun of

[pallid kindle]

the guy couldnt find the chain

so he reawakened

awesome

[marble grove]

Oh the Cerberus one

Think I only ever wiped twice there

[loud nymph]

haven't seen a Cerberus wipe in a while haha

[whole estuary]

I did the same thing on my first run...

I thought you just need to touch his hitbox

[marble grove]

Tbf that raid (series) as a whole has some tricky mechanics you only ever see there

[whole estuary]

It doesn't help that the default UI settings just have so much unnecessary text displayed, like alliance member names and titles everywhere

[marble grove]

That's something they could update as well tbh

More options to edit the UI

[tired egret]

I once managed to see my alliance fucking kill it under reawakening

[sleek moon]

those options already exists tho

just people dont tweak them

[whole estuary]

yeah, I've tweaked it since then, that was just running WoD as a sprout

not enough playtime to filter out unnecessary visual information

[sleek moon]

a change that helped me with clutter overall for towns/open world was making people's named like a dull grey, a middle ground between hiding them and having them too visible

they kinda blend with the background

[rapid whale]

i have names off entirely unless i target them

makes cities more enjoyable imho

[worn bluff]

same, everyone else just looks like an NPC to me

[willow jetty]

anyone here on Gilgamesh good with jumping puzzles

[rain geode]

ugh I put off my dailies this patch and now I have to do a bunch of frontlines at one if I want the mount lol

[terse zodiac]

lmfao WK in my limsa shouting how the only difficulty in ultimate is mitigation, failing mechs wont wipe you just missing 1 mit will 😭

[pallid kindle]

CC > frontlines

frontlines is worse unless you win every game which you wont

[tulip anvil]

Aren’t they a healer

[terse zodiac]

yes

[loud nymph]

the only difficulty in ultimate is partying with WK

(I have never cleared an ultimate OR partied with WK)

[rain geode]

Ill keep that in mind maybe Ill switch over Id just feel a lot worse throwing a cc game lool

[pallid kindle]

doing frontline roulette is the best but after that frontline is just worse

[untold oyster]

why do they always take so fucking long to unlock savage

it should be unlocked tomorrow

[visual geyser]

Ye

[limpid edge]

aether closed again, how am i supposed to get my last minute m9s clear?

[visual geyser]

Think of it this way

In a few months this will never be a problem again

[limpid edge]

n-no! I can clear it i swear!!!!!

[rain geode]

It it crazt to me they wait for like the last patch before the new tier lol

[limpid edge]

im ready to clear the tier, i just need to clear m9s first

[terse zodiac]

bright side is it wont matter when they unlock in evercold

[rain geode]

I need to go back and finish the tier myself

I got very distracted with other video games and just havnt gotten back to doing it

[visual geyser]

W change

[rain geode]

Issue now is all the good players have dried up so its gonna be harder now

[terse zodiac]

very curious what they got cooking for upgrading gear

[limpid edge]

in what way

like new system?

[terse zodiac]

yeah they said savage wont be the only way to increase gear level

but no info outside that

[visual geyser]

Ye

I just hope these features come out launch day lol and not 8.56

[limpid edge]

chaotic pls

[visual geyser]

The system changes made me not want to dailies at all

[limpid edge]

they b etter be makin 3 chaotics next expansion

[visual geyser]

I logged on and thought to myself damn one day I won’t have to do fucking expert roulette

[limpid edge]

crazy idea but what if savage and chaotic same patch?

not same time, maybe chaotic delayed a month

and it can be alternate source for raid gear

[rain geode]

I feel like chaotic makes more sense for an odd patch thing

[whole estuary]

how does the middle raid difficulty factor in

who knows!

[limpid edge]

for the funsies

[whole estuary]

silly SQEX

no one does modes for funsies

[nocturne escarp]

real

[limpid edge]

maybe advanced can speed up weekly progress

or whatev replaces th tomes

[vestal hollow]

yeah you have to do guildhests

[random needle]

What if they just removed guildhests in 8.0

[visual geyser]

Thought this was funny but I realized it doesn’t matter you can glam both now

[visual geyser]

Guildheist can give weekly reward to the battle pass so its actually a useful part of endgame

[vestal hollow]

curious to see what UMAD weapons are gonna be

[visual geyser]

Oh they’ll be datamined tomorrow right?

[vestal hollow]

might not be in the files yet

i hope theyre new models

[random needle]

I thought they mentioned DMU will be 7.51? They might wait to put them in until then yeah

[vestal hollow]

its not DMU

its UMAD

[random needle]

It's either/or depending on my mood

[vestal hollow]

UMAD girl?

[craggy marsh]

The datamines will depend on if they're smart with their files or not

Sometimes they leave stuff out

But other times the entire patch data is just available

Like how P4s and P8s phase 2 models were hidden but P12 phase 2 wasn't hidden at all in the files

[vestal hollow]

different topic

sitting in a parking lot eating food and watching like 5 people nearly hit me when they pull in/out

[worn bluff]

they should put placeholder assets in that are just question marks

[vestal hollow]

statistically a parking lot is more dangerous than crossing a road and i see why

jesus

[limpid edge]

any parkers here?

[visual geyser]

What if the weekly activity log doesn’t have a reward for doing rival wings

🥹

[loud nymph]

wdym what if

it won't

I think we can pretty safely say that

how long has astralagos been gone now

[whole estuary]

how can they add an entry for something that doesn't exist

[nocturne escarp]

What if they just remove rival wings in 8.0

[worldly grotto]

Where were you when Rival Wings was kill

[nocturne escarp]

playing CC instead

[visual geyser]

🥲 I unsub

[nocturne escarp]

They'd be putting it out of its misery. A mercy kill

[visual geyser]

Trust when regionwide DF launches

[eager prairie]

IM FREE!!!!!!!

I BEAT M11S AFTER 17 HOURS

[wicked delta]

[zealous meteor]

rival wings is fun and IS playable during mogtomes

and even outside mogtomes if you're fine with planning matches on discord

[visual geyser]

Yeh

[nocturne escarp]

I think I've played rival wings once tbh

[tulip wraith]

ive still yet to touch it

idek how it work

[rain geode]

A bit last minut now I need to try and get 30 mogtomes

[visual geyser]

!maint

[storm frost]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until [Maintenance]All Worlds Maintenance (Apr. 27) Maintenance:

**<t:1777345200:F>

<t:1777345200:R>*

[visual geyser]

What even was the mount this time

It was that wheel shit right

I got it but don’t think I’ve ever even used it lol

[visual geyser]

They really made 0 good series rewards this expansion

I’ll never forgive that fucking solution 9 slop good riddance man

[tulip wraith]

i enjoyed my tech slop

[visual geyser]

How bout I enjoy you

[whole estuary]

I like the youkai wheel with Kugane glams

[visual geyser]

Was the oppressor mount this expansion

That one was a banger ngl

[dapper zealot]

the air cell fit was the only good fit

[visual geyser]

Oh shit they revealed some info on evolved warrior

https://youtu.be/NWvytByBrqA?si=NOLAiv2gl9MwddEo

[tulip wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/stunned-wow-omg-lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-gif-7647770

[trim frost]

gates + dungeon in between gates

[craggy marsh]

I love Xeno anxietymaxxing already bc he saw WAR was an OT and not MT

[worn bluff]

WAR will be the only job to get more buttons under evolved

[craggy marsh]

Xeno when he can't egomax

[tall field]

He posted a video

On MT OT concerns

[rain geode]

Which dungeons are the best?

[rain geode]

do you talk about anything that inst xeno lel I swear its the only topic I see you bring up

[thin fox]

I think the thing I'm most curious about re: MT/OT is what this potentially signifies about the 8.0 fight design

Because surely if your idea is that every party will have one typecast MT and one typecast OT

There won't be a focus on tank swapping?

[shy obsidian]

and here.... I have PARKED

[tall field]

Some of the concerns are justified

What if warrior can give a PERMANENT dmg down on the boss via storms eye/path?

And also what he said about cover make sense... dash cover sounds cool

In practice

Yea lets also move the boss as a result disorienting the team to read mechs

Unless all 8.0 bosses are wall bosses

[thin fox]

I just think because if there's tank swapping then the MT tanks are just losing damage(?)

But if you have two OT tanks then they're fine no matter how much you swap

[tall field]

And OTs will deal more dmg

Imo

[amber fable]

How worth is counter attack matters too

Its a gcd

Not ogcd

Again...gotta see actual party demo

[tall field]

Unless u r skilled at counterijg

[amber fable]

Not the training dummy bs

[thin fox]

I mean, a PLD who exclusively OTs will be doing much less damage than one who exclusively MTs

it won't be like

10% diff

but it'll be significant

[amber fable]

Assuming it works the way everyone think it will

[thin fox]

Unless they give PLD like

like if they put the same thing on intervention

that could be something ig

but then why have the MT/OT split

I don't really understand the concept of this split very well

I hope they go into it in better detail at one of the future Fanfests

[amber fable]

Split means jack

[thin fox]

because rn it sounds very weird

[amber fable]

What is more important is what they can do

[tall field]

Even JP forums have anxiety apparently on this

Wouldnt it lead to HW situation

Warrior perma 10% dmg reduction

[amber fable]

Why?

Why are we assuming its gonna be perma damage down

[tall field]

I mean if OT can adps more

[amber fable]

People are already assuming how a job will be when we dont even know what it plays like

[tall field]

With the party utility

Ye

[amber fable]

Perma damage down sounds lot more useful than parry gcd

[thin fox]

yeah we rly don't have any good info on what being 'the OT tank' means yet

[amber fable]

I doubt it will be like that

[thin fox]

because like

pld still has utility

it has cover (even if it would be stupid to use as MT with the dash)

it has wings

wings is even buffed now

[tall field]

Yea cover is nerfed in that way

Wings yea but no veil

Since its tied iirc to wings

[tall field]

The issue is.. yea that IF u play pld. You are main tank. So like how will that be justified on non wall bosses

Atleast according to what SE told rn

[amber fable]

Wait for eu fest

[worn bluff]

i’m guessing it’s to create more job identity

like shield vs pure

to allow them to have tank kits differ more

[tall field]

Thats fine

The questions that need answers are
Adps diff
How much dmg MT will lose if for some.time they cant counter

[worn bluff]

i’m not sure how well it will be implemented into fight design. will have to see

[tall field]

And also pf

Will be more dreadful?

Finding MT or finding ot

[worn bluff]

i would think sheltron and intervention are just merged into one

like TBN

[tall field]

Esp if everyone flocks to new tank

Plds will make their own pfs

[amber fable]

Play reborn

If its making people too fidgety

[visual geyser]

They might make OT fun

[worn bluff]

drk is already fun

[amber fable]

Ot not be a beta bitch?

[visual geyser]

I mean the jobs are fun but the actual task of OT is lame asl

Atleast imo

[tall field]

This yea

Off tanking in most normal content is just

Exist

[dull drum]

i mean they dont really have anything new like MT does based on the bullet notes

so itd just be the same as it is now

[visual geyser]

Like if ot and mt are synergizing with each to deal with the enemy instead of just kitch sinking

I’ll wait for them to show the ot jobs first lol

[worn bluff]

i guess MT becomes the aggro/selfish tank and OT becomes the party mit specialist

[tall field]

Thing is

Whats the harm of bringing 2 OTs

To have more party mit

Unless they make them.override

[visual geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-gif-18174494

[tall field]

Esp since OT should be able to tank as well

[nocturne escarp]

PLD still had its party mits, so I think people should stop dooming that they'll tear WAR apart to make it fit as an OT

[visual geyser]

Overacting is what we dew

[thin fox]

@dull drum now u can clear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufp87DnWXNo

[nocturne escarp]

WAR will, likely, still have its self healing and fell cleaves and everything people love about Warrior

[dull drum]

this shit looks too hard

[tall field]

Its judt the equilibrium and all

[dull drum]

but then whats the point of the healing

[tall field]

Needs some change if war wanna OT

[dull drum]

as OT you arent taking autos lol unless its double auto fight

[tall field]

Since tf is that skill doing otherwise

[nocturne escarp]

What's the point of Paladin still having Cover?

[dull drum]

ask the devs not me

they’re fucking up their design intentions with current prototypes atm

[visual geyser]

Job I d e n t I t y

[tall field]

Also

Damnation

The reflect dmg part

[visual geyser]

Some of these skills will just change lol

They’ve already shown that skills will have completely different effects

War you might get a new identity since forever

I’m here for it

[nocturne escarp]

I'm just saying that from what we've seen so far, they're tweaking the kits to fit them into their new roles better, not removing what people like about the job

[tall field]

Cover got nerfed on pld

Dash cover is awful tbh

[nocturne escarp]

counterpoint, cover+dash is cool as fuck

[tall field]

Why would u dash as MAIN TANK to an ally and well

Risk all the melees positionals

And boss positioning tbh

[nocturne escarp]

That's what new fight design is for

[tall field]

What about the old ones

[dull drum]

i mean how would new fight design change unless they made every boss a wall boss

???

[nocturne escarp]

idk

[visual geyser]

Real

[nocturne escarp]

Just seems a bit doomery when we're 9 months away and everything we've seen so far will change before launch

[tall field]

Its just all the time MT was a tank who

[visual geyser]

Havent seen a paladin use cover in a billion years anyway

[tall field]

Fixed boss in one direction

And tank that way

[visual geyser]

What can we say games changing

It’ll be funky for a while

[tall field]

But ye cover will be more niche vs now

Clemency can see better use tbh

[nocturne escarp]

Maybe? Cover is nerfed sure, but now we can use it more often and in more situations

[visual geyser]

Isn’t cover cost free?

[tall field]

The forced mt and dashing is what hurts it
.. unless wall boss

You wouldnt wanna willy nilly cover

Its a cost you have to decide whether its a risky play doing it

Which is good actually

[nocturne escarp]

Right now it takes 50 job gauge and has a 120 cd. If I recall correctly, the Evolved showcase had it free with the dash and it lasts for 5 seconds

So basically, it's slightly worse in duration, but takes no gauge and no more 120 cd

plus the dash

which can be good or bad depending on the situation

frankly, I like this change a lot

[vestal hollow]

its straight up exactly what pld has in pvp and i love it

makes more sense for a repositioning ability

especially if theyre making all content more reactive in ec

[nocturne escarp]

I mean, we're not forced to MT.

[dapper zealot]

It's basically like the 1 regen 1 shield healer

[dull drum]

i mean getting rewarded to counter you kinda have to in 8.0

[dapper zealot]

you can have two, but it's better to have one of each

[dusk sky]

“MT’s role is taking damage directly,” and yet Evolved PLD still has Passage, Veil, Intervention, Cover, and access to reprisal

Then again have to see what an OT kit is in comparison

[quick verge]

does new cover do anything useful or have they not shown the tooltip

[nocturne escarp]

no tooltip yet

[vestal hollow]

evolved pld also had a followup action to passage that looked like a party heal

?

called round table iirc

[nocturne escarp]

yep

[vestal hollow]

also pld gap closer doesnt do damage anymore

[dusk sky]

Yeah, that’s what I thought was probably Veil

[vestal hollow]

he used veil too

[dusk sky]

…or did it it also still have veil on top of that

Oh, well cool, second veil

[dapper zealot]

They cooked with the new skill names so far

[rain geode]

holy finished that dungeon and with 30 seconds the servers droped

barely got to 100 tomes before the server went down lol

[dusk sky]

Sitri did you catch that the evolved sheltron was intervention too

Cuz he hit it while targeting Tamaki and he got the Surcoat/Wardress buffs

[vestal hollow]

yeah

it just makes more sense lol

they saw people using uh

[dusk sky]

[vestal hollow]

xivcombo and combined unnecessary buttons

[dapper zealot]

I hope they at least give the option to have them separate or combined

[amber fable]

Yeah its called reborn

[vestal hollow]

that's what reborn is for

[dapper zealot]

They're entirely different kits

[vestal hollow]

no they arent

[dapper zealot]

and we already have the capability to have certain action changes combined or separate

[vestal hollow]

literally part of the point of evolved is reducing buttons and merging them together

but shit like sheltron and intervention being mashed together makes so much sense

[rain geode]

The new combat stuff? because thats what reborn and evolved is, tho they plan on making reborn weaker then evolved

basically the old system is going to still exist but theyre gonna make it worse

[amber fable]

More like evolve is the new standard

So it will be stronger

[dusk sky]

“Evolved will be slightly stronger,” they haven’t said by how much or how little

[dapper zealot]

idk if yall are being pedantic or not

[dull drum]

slightly is just PR bullshit

look at reborn vs evolved whm and tell me thats slight

[amber fable]

Any % stronger will enough to lock it in

[rain geode]

wdym

[dull drum]

1 dollar or 2 dollars type shit

[amber fable]

No more cast time

[dusk sky]

Player skill will be a factor

[amber fable]

Pug whm still will be pulling sub 70% uptime

[dapper zealot]

reborn and evolved will play differently, it's literally not just the current kit but condensed

[vestal hollow]

its not like glare having a cast time had much skill expression

[amber fable]

It did

[jolly flume]

pff

lmao

[vestal hollow]

it absolutely did not

[amber fable]

Cap

[rain geode]

I mean tbf "this job doesnt have a lot of skill expression so lets take the skill expression it did have out" isnt a great pitch lol

[dull drum]

is the slidecasting in the room with us

[jolly flume]

tell me why the bottom to top dps range of healers is nearly equivalent to that of dps then

[dull drum]

[amber fable]

Are we really saying cast dont matter?

[dusk sky]

But to me “evolved will be slightly stronger” is moreso compensation for them not having as rigid a rotation, literally have to wait for launch for a proper assessment what is or isn’t stronger

[vestal hollow]

d-did you not see the slide where they show the difference between reborn and evolved?

[vestal hollow]

no, its clear they want to eventually just have evolved and drop reborn altogether

[dusk sky]

That isn’t clear at all, where’s your evidence

[vestal hollow]

them saying all new jobs will only have evolved

[dapper zealot]

Did I miss something? Are they completely changing reborn to be evolved but not condensed?

[amber fable]

Bu-but i cant farm internet points with this take

[jolly flume]

nowhere was that said

ever

[amber fable]

So i gotta assume it will play like x

[dapper zealot]

yeah fucking exaclty

so reborn is not evolved

[jolly flume]

also "cast uptime is not skill expression" has to be one of the most rancid takes I have ever read

[amber fable]

Going by hotbar

[jolly flume]

I haven't recovered from that

[amber fable]

Main thing is consolidation

[dusk sky]

Is that suppose to be proof the old jobs will have their reborns removed later or

Like that’s strictly speculation, lbr

[vestal hollow]

yall did not pay attention to the slides

like.

[jolly flume]

please explain in that image where it says that it will play the same

but have less buttons

[amber fable]

Its not like it will play 100% different on evo

[dusk sky]

It’s more accurate to say the gulf between reborn and evolved will probably grow wider in later expansions but saying reborn is just something to br trimmed later is baseless

[dull drum]

i wouldnt say baseless from a development perspective it makes sense

[worn bluff]

it was long overdue - brings it in line with DRK and GNB short mits

[dusk sky]

Are any of y’all in CS3

[jolly flume]

yes

I own square enix

[vestal hollow]

its not baseless, because otherwise they will have to be balancing 44 jobs going forward

[worn bluff]

cold steel 3

[jolly flume]

they're having one person design 21 jobs

[amber fable]

They are doing it anyway

With 8.0

[jolly flume]

what's stopping two people from balancing 44

[dapper zealot]

don't you mean 22? if reborn is jsut the same as evolved?

[amber fable]

21 reborn+ 23 evo

44 jobs

[jolly flume]

they also just

[amber fable]

So much options

[jolly flume]

make shit up with their balance patches anyways

so it's not like it takes any particular amount of effort

[amber fable]

Its more of they dont have enough staff

[vestal hollow]

genuinely

just stop

[jolly flume]

lol

[amber fable]

To alloacte them to make jobs

[vestal hollow]

i dont care enough about arguing with you

[jolly flume]

so don't

[rapid whale]

pictomancer fun, i hope stays fun if not more fun

[jolly flume]

as they always say in the funny rants channel

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2--k01KQ91F5KW81ZDPY1CNWP2RRGX

[jolly flume]

if you don't want people to respond to things you say

don't say em in public channels right?

🙂

[dapper zealot]

please explain to me how reborn is just evolved but not condensed

cause I'm not understanding

[rain geode]

I mean if they're intended for evolved to be stronger even if they mess it up on release I'd expect any reborn job that's stronger to get nerfed

[rapid whale]

afaik the kits will interact in a diff way

for all we know reborn still has all the buffs they're just self buffs now

[amber fable]

Partybuff gone

Personal buff stays probably

[jolly flume]

the answer is a simple three words

we dont know

(yet)

[dusk sky]

No see, I agree Reborn modes probably won’t be updated, but I don’t think that’s proof of them being removed so soon. They exist to please players will stick to the legacy modes no matter what, and those uncs will keep their subs going til the end of time—

[jolly flume]

truly incredible

[amber fable]

But I cant argue with that

[jolly flume]

oh no

[amber fable]

I gotta make shit up

[jolly flume]

no more ragebait...

[versed haven]

Keeping this here

[worn bluff]

i wonder if umad will have any balancing hints towards evolved or if it will be 100% designed around current kits

[rapid whale]

surely we will get portions where we have to do 2-3 gcds in between dmg spells regularly enough for the mechanic to matter

[amber fable]

Current kits

[jolly flume]

they did explicitly say content will be designed to be clearable by old versions of jobs

to what extent? who knows

[vestal hollow]

people have seen nothing

how do we know this

[amber fable]

New design should be from 8.0

[tall field]

New unreal seems a lot of work on healers tbh

Baiting earth breath

Reiryu adds

[versed haven]

A lot of people replaying paladin footage probably

[deep gale]

Good, healers deserve less

[tall field]

Diamond Dust

[dapper zealot]

sitri, did you watch the dev panel?

[jolly flume]

true

less cast times

game's too hard

[tall field]

Idk if ill see pf healer shortage for unreal

[torn kindle]

They’re not actually that bad from what I remember, and this was with level 70 jank toolkits

[tall field]

Seiryu had tanks to do a bit more

[dusk sky]

But which job will be Evolved into the DoT job, though

[tall field]

And i had to wait to get a cotank

In pf

[deep gale]

If square enix actually cared about its players healers would just have one damage button and one healing button

[amber fable]

Its unreal bruv..people dont line up to do it day 1

[versed haven]

Bard's retaining its DoT nature, so scratch that off

[dusk sky]

NIN Poisons…

[torn kindle]

I bet you could probably just Afflatus Solace + Tetragrammaton one of them as a WHM

[amber fable]

Maybe they will cuz nothing new as such beside new ex

[dusk sky]

Nah BRD DoTs are the Mages follow-up

[vestal hollow]

.. barely

[amber fable]

Bard dots exist for few seconds

[dapper zealot]

it's like 3 seconds lmao

[versed haven]

The 3 second DoTs are going to change because literally why would it just be 3 seconds

[tall field]

Tanks have it easiest in unreal too

Just... one chains and

Well thats mostly it?

[torn kindle]

Build in progress, likely to figure out a new duration for the reworked rotation

[versed haven]

^

[torn kindle]

Look more how the job flows rather than exact numbers for early stuff like this

[dusk sky]

Like the only actual new icon in the previews was like, High Glare?

And I don’t even think it was that new

So tons of placeholders

[amber fable]

Was there new icon?

Divine authority had new animation

But old icon

[torn kindle]

I feel like I remember High Glare’s icon from Eureka or Bozja

[versed haven]

Also, I find it funny that like 2-3 buttons on WHM weren't even pressed during its showcase meaning that anything could've been added to its kit

[torn kindle]

One of those Lost/Eureka actions

[dusk sky]

yeah, it’s… Banish or Dispel?

Damn I’m a loser

I mean what is Glare but Banish II

[craggy marsh]

[whole estuary]

speaking of bozja, since everyone is getting a heals >>> burst damage move, maybe that means all of them can be good Seraph Strikers now

though WHM still has Thin Air...

[jolly flume]

who is everyone

aint that just whm

[whole estuary]

did they want all healers to focus more on healing

[dusk sky]

I hope Evolved SCH commits to making the faerie do all the healing

[jolly flume]

I don't recall them speaking much about the role as a whole

[dusk sky]

Lore accuracy

[jolly flume]

idk

[whole estuary]

hmm

[quick verge]

oh

evolved is a bozja upscale

occult crust stays losing

[nocturne escarp]

Bozja stays winning

[jolly flume]

I think thats probably just a white mage thing because they already have the whole refunding damage from healing thing going on but

we'll see

[dusk sky]

Well it’ll be a WHM/SGE thing, surely

Though have to see how Evolved Sage handles Kardia

[jolly flume]

on my knees begging se to make it a buff you have to actively upkeep

anything for just a drop of mistweaver in this game

[dusk sky]

You’ve invented scientific Disc Priest

I’m all for it

[craggy marsh]

I'm really curious to see evolved smn tbh

[quick verge]

we already have evolved smn

[craggy marsh]

Bc it already doesnt have that many button

[tall field]

I wanna see what new version

Evolved warrior is

[quick verge]

how tf they gonna squish a job with 4 buttons even more

😭

[dusk sky]

That’s why im surprised even VPR will have an Evolved Mode

[jolly flume]

3 buttons

2, even

[dusk sky]

Like this shit rn is Reborn??

[craggy marsh]

PCT too

[amber fable]

1

[tall field]

Like i can inner release changing

1 2 3 becomes fell cleavex3 under that buff

[dapper zealot]

evo vpr have 1 less button

[tall field]

That is true since pvp warrior does that too

[amber fable]

Every combo chain becomes 1 button

Follow up replaces the button

[dusk sky]

PCT Evolved prob making the Muses and Motifs one button

[tall field]

But will blota come to pve

W2w? Na
Let me pull instead

[craggy marsh]

SMN and AST are the two evolved jobs I want to see the most

[dusk sky]

As in, fuse Weapon Motif and Steel Muse

[shy obsidian]

imagine if we had more Steel Muses besides the hammer

or more types of landscapes

[quick verge]

SPOILER

[tall field]

But yea idk what warrior will play, the other 2 tanks ig will be similar to what their pvp version is

[quick verge]

evolved ast reworks the job every time you log in

[dusk sky]

[craggy marsh]

[tall field]

Since what will rend-> ruination do

[dusk sky]

Evolved AST you draw a new divination each morning

That will decide how good the job is that day

[tall field]

Onslaught may give nascent flash? To the ally and debuffs enemy ig?

[craggy marsh]

Evolved AST forces you to learn tarot irl

[amber fable]

Give ast haste

[tall field]

If used accordingly

[shy obsidian]

so what was nocturnal sect like or whatever it was called

[amber fable]

Or dont bother

[dusk sky]

Unifying Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash seems like the easiest guess for evolved WAR

[jolly flume]

lowkey everyone tells me noct sect was ass anyways

[dusk sky]

Since it’s also lit the same effect but self/ally

[quick verge]

noct was ass because it meant your cohealer was whm

or you were doing some fuckass shit in speeds

[tall field]

1 2 3 being fell cleavex3 will also be the case

Just what will happen to IR, equilibrium

[rain geode]

Honestly I think people are overestimating how much Evolved will change but I guess we will see

[tall field]

And padding damnations

[shy obsidian]

i just hope reaper feels more... exciting?

[craggy marsh]

We all know RDM is getting another finisher

Pls look forward to it

[amber fable]

Its the time where playerbase care more about game than dooming and then release comes and its back to dooming 2 month later

[jolly flume]

wish rdm spent more time in melee range ngl

[dapper zealot]

I genuinely still don't understand how evolved is the same as reborn but condensed

[quick verge]

if evolved jobs dont literally change the course of my life

[shy obsidian]

imagine if reaps had a gap closer just in case your Egress was just a wee inch off from max melee range

[quick verge]

im putting a hole in my wall

[jolly flume]

i'm your wall

[dusk sky]

Of the jobs previewed on Friday, BRD far and above convinced me on the “job identity/fantasy/expression” front

[tall field]

Soo
Kaiten coming back?

[dusk sky]

So I’m excited for evolved SCH and AST

[craggy marsh]

Im ngl the dooming that was going on here when the 2 mins were announced to be dead was really funny

[jolly flume]

not the kaiten cope

[shy obsidian]

didn't Kaiten just... upgrade the next weaponskill or whatever

[rain geode]

Ill admit I dont have a ton of faith but like I didnt pick up xiv for complexity of jobs so I guess I dont actually have a big opinion either way

[jolly flume]

2m dead is neither a cause for doom nor celebration it's kinda just

whatever

[craggy marsh]

Ya

[jolly flume]

it was not the problem nor did it really bring anything incredible to the game

[nocturne escarp]

People have been complaining about 2 min meta for years

[dusk sky]

My fear for AST is if it remains an ST focused buffer then you’ll need to be loosely familiar with every dps kit to know the optimal time to card them

But I’m actually p excited for that

[jolly flume]

yes, people who generally don't recognize the real issues

they just parrot 2m bad

because they heard it on youtube

[quick verge]

the only reason you should doom is because it's square enix

that company is fucking dogass

[craggy marsh]

They get their opinions from youtubers and streamers

[quick verge]

holy shit man

[jolly flume]

2m is not what killed your cat and kids I promise

[tall field]

Now watch the 7.5 balance patch

Sooo mch buffs anyone?

[nocturne escarp]

So the devs got their opinions on 2m from youtubers as well?

[craggy marsh]

I didn't stick around for the welcome ceremony at fanfest bc I dont care to hear the NFT and AI loving CEO speak

[amber fable]

Reddit/OF/yt

Plenty of places

[rain geode]

Maybe its because I only played in the 2m meta but thats kinda were Im at, I could take or leave the 2m meta

[jolly flume]

the devs have some strange opinions on 2m given the content they've been putting out directly contradicts what they said about having to put mechanical downtime during bursts, yes

[tall field]

Will all jobs get an actual potent ranged gcd?

[jolly flume]

there are very many instances of mechanics that have bursts during them and also fights that pretty heavily disrespect the 2m timeline

[tall field]

Like drg iirc got one

So 25y lionhearts?

[dusk sky]

2min meta is old as time but there was a time when half the jobs operated at other intervals so it was whatever,

[amber fable]

2m basically synced burst

[dusk sky]

But then you can see how much raid damage can spike when it was true 2min burst

[jolly flume]

I mean I'm not going to sit here and tell you 2m is more interesting than the varied burst windows before that but like

[amber fable]

Before it was more spread out

[jolly flume]

the reason your rotation is braindead is not because you have to press your cooldowns every 2 minutes instead of 90 seconds

[craggy marsh]

The pain of being a PLD player before the 6.3 rework during the 2min meta was ass

[rain geode]

I mean assume they keep any raid buffs in the game (which we dont know) itll just become the x time meta instead

[jolly flume]

it's because they systematically remove every point of friction they find in a job

[craggy marsh]

I really dont know how or why they released 6.0 PLD like that

[tall field]

Then we got the opposite end

7.0-7.1

Pictomancer

New tank gonna be that too

Wdym this MT does more dps than drks

[craggy marsh]

Naaah this time the new phys ranged will do big damage

My uncle told me

[amber fable]

Better than it being trash

[jolly flume]

a lot of things do more dps than drk if you have never clicked over to the adps tab in your time using fflogs

I think

it'll probably be really good though

the new tank that is

at least until it gets nerfed a patch later

[amber fable]

New jobs can be stronger at start

[quick verge]

LOL

[tall field]

So mch 2.0?

[amber fable]

Range tax will be lowered now

Should*

[dull drum]

[dusk sky]

Oh yeah everybody had mostly new gauges too

Well, a new addition to their gauges

[amber fable]

All of em were passive

The 4 they showed

[rain geode]

I will say I dont think Im gonna bother maxing every job in 9.5 anymore

[amber fable]

Whats there to max?

[tall field]

Are all gauges

[jolly flume]

I'll probably keep capping every job but maybe cut down the amount I play to like 3 or so

[tall field]

Flavors of lily gauge

[dusk sky]

Oh yeahhhh, ilvl sync up

[tall field]

Pld drg and brd

All of them were

[jolly flume]

if the whole job identity thing shakes out maybe I won't be able to just play every job and feel like it's the same thing

[craggy marsh]

Why 9.5 specifically

That 2 expansions away

[rain geode]

mistyped

[dusk sky]

Dragonsbane and Songs were gauges you have to wait for them to fill

[craggy marsh]

Aah

[rain geode]

lol

meant 7.5

[tall field]

I mean
The guages which fill passively

[dusk sky]

And so was Honor or whatever

[tall field]

Which lily guage also does

[rain geode]

seems silly to learn a bunch of jobs wrong

[tall field]

Hence the flavors of lily gauge

Being the 8.0 direction

[craggy marsh]

You must learn AST before it's regular expansion rework

But ya that makes sense

[jolly flume]

curious what theyre gonna do with ast honestly

wonder if they'll just cut the cards or something bc they take up more binds than I imagine they'd like

[tall field]

Sooo no dance partner?

As well?

Cos removal of buffs

[craggy marsh]

I have no reason to learn any job I dont know if evolved mode is changing all of them

[proper cave]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/07320affa7e0fcd9685afcbe54fbf55405b6d822

[rain geode]

I mean I sorta know AST

[dapper zealot]

dp will likely change to be a different buff

[jolly flume]

its removal of raid buffs, I imagine single target shit like dp/devilment will stay because that's core to the job identity

[proper cave]

pertch nerts

[dapper zealot]

like how brd songs are different buffs now

[rain geode]

Its one of the weird jobs I got to 70 specifically

[rain geode]

No dance partner would be weird

[tall field]

Oh they buffed warrior

[rain geode]

yeah thats what Im saying

I might still get BRD to 70 to finish its job quests since Im close already

[tall field]

War dmg output to be lackingn in burst phases

How true this is

[rain geode]

and I might get MNK/DRG/NIN to 30 because I hate seeing their class names instead of their job names

but besides those two Im probably done leveling for now

[dapper zealot]

I mean, evolved is going to change them all but to varying degrees. Cause evo whm ain't really that different from reborn

[devout wraith]

anybody know what changes other than the job potency buffs on the patch notes compared to the prelim?

[rain geode]

Also I dont care about eva so I dont like that theres an eva crossover

[jolly flume]

realistically the best things you can do for yourself before the reworks are the same things as before

just build the core fundamentals

[rain geode]

The double sided blade of crossovers

[jolly flume]

thats still 90%+ of the game

[tall field]

Did they buff guard to 99?

%

Wtf

Anti guard meta

[rain geode]

honestly I probably wouldnt even be subbed rn if I wasnt trying to convince myself to go back into savage

[proper cave]

Viper unnerfed lol

Kind of

[craggy marsh]

Did WAR need buffs? I ain't complaining just curious

[quick verge]

patch notes

warrior SHIT

samurai GOOD

[craggy marsh]

I never knew it was lacking

[quick verge]

reaper SHIT

viper SHIT

summoner SHIT

[jolly flume]

link

[quick verge]

sage SHIT

[jolly flume]

🥺

[rain geode]

It was comfortably the worse tank

[quick verge]

good patch notes square really did a good job

[shy obsidian]

patch notes out for PvE?

[craggy marsh]

Aaah

[quick verge]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/07320affa7e0fcd9685afcbe54fbf55405b6d822

[proper cave]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/07320affa7e0fcd9685afcbe54fbf55405b6d822

[quick verge]

🐌

[rain geode]

Does the new AR come out immediatly with the patch?

[proper cave]

He

[rain geode]

This is the first odd patch Ive been at end game for

[jolly flume]

half decent sage buffs I guess

when is it getting more mit tho

[shy obsidian]

once again, samurai manages to win because it's already almost perfect

[quick verge]

could be better if they added kaiten but w/e

[tall field]

Did they nerf war aoe indirectly?

[tight wing]

maintenance rn righ?

[jolly flume]

yes

[shy obsidian]

WHEN ARE WE GETTING PICS OF THE CLYTEUM'S GEAR

WHAT IS GOING ON

[tall field]

Since 700 means... chaotic clyone

Is a gain on

[tight wing]

WHATY

[tall field]

Ok thankfully still 4

[craggy marsh]

Well nobody can find it so people cant post pictures of it

[rain geode]

Next week Im gonna try and make myself play FFXIV again and go back into savage

[dusk sky]

Diamond Weapons for GNB-PCT…..

[shy obsidian]

the diamond weapons already look nice, don't they

[dusk sky]

I like ‘em, used RDM’s for glam for a long while

[craggy marsh]

Oh so the Sigmascape weapons are the UMAD weps then

Neato

[shy obsidian]

but it's surprising that a second tier is getting new weapons for jobs that shouldn't even be part of it

[jolly flume]

do we have to call it umad

[craggy marsh]

Depends on your mood

[jolly flume]

im mad

[amber fable]

Umad bro

[craggy marsh]

UMAD bro?

[shy obsidian]

just like Kefka would've wanted...

[dapper zealot]

UMAD is the only acceptable name

[dusk sky]

I hope the weapon particle is the trolling ???

[jolly flume]

? weapons would go hard

lmao

[quick verge]

? gun makes mch do damage

[dusk sky]

Title is gonna be Dancing Legend innit

[craggy marsh]

Clown Legend

Pls

[raw sand]

Degend

[jolly flume]

world-class troller

[craggy marsh]

World-Clown Troller

[dapper zealot]

wtf they also added some arr patch dungeons

[whole estuary]

I think it's probably the sets from Haukke Manor and Brayflox

since those were added in ShB?

[dapper zealot]

oh is that cool outfit I wanted going to be from cosmic?

[whole estuary]

delivery boy

[robust shoal]

Gratz on WAR getting to be a real person in patch X.5 again

at least this time there's some relevant content for them to enjoy

[torn kindle]

How to upgrade/augment Courtly Lover’s gear (i770 -> i780)
NPC: Eirene, Solution Nine (X:8.1 Y:14.0)
Rain Exchange: Purchase Treno Rain using Allagan Tomestones of Mathmatics (100 tomes each). The amount of Treno Rain required depends on the gear you want to upgrade (see below).
Earn Everkeep Certificate of Grade 3 Import: Trade in your Courtly Lover’s gear for Everkeep Certificate of Grade 3 Import. When trading in HQ, you will receive exactly enough certificates for the Augmented version of the same item slot. Don't forget to retrieve materia first!
Purchase Augmented Courtly Lover’s Equipment: Trade Everkeep Certificate of Grade 3 Import and Treno Rain for Augmented Courtly Lover’s gear.

Rain cost: Weapon: 7, Head/Hands/Feet: 3, Chest/Legs: 5, Accessory: 2, (PLD Sword: 4, PLD Shield: 3)
Certificate cost: Weapon: 17, Head/Hands/Feet: 11, Chest/Legs: 17, Accessory: 7, (PLD Sword: 10, PLD Shield: 7)

There’s that updated

[tall field]

War needed a buff ye

They actually fixed the

Lets carry phantom dnc buff into forked

Since some did abuse this ngl

Alrite time for yoshiP to teach us japanese

[trim frost]

ah

so they are gonna be diamond weapons

that’s nice

[whole estuary]

diamond weapons are nice

they're so nice that a bunch of random NPCs have them

[trim frost]

they are really nice

[thin fox]

why do they always make this

so fucking complicated

[torn kindle]

To their credit, they did remove the ability to trade in HQ items for NQ amount of tokens with this iteration

So it’s pretty idiot proof now

[amber fable]

Why not use blanket uncapped tome

To directly exchange

Instead of these import tokens

[torn kindle]

Probably so you can stockpile and trade in an entire set at once if wanted

[sleek moon]

the LL showed they simplified the trade in window, before it was a lot of menus

[thin fox]

to be clear

this system is also quite shit

[sleek moon]

the only thing i still find it odd is the requirement to buy rains

idk if their shop system just doesnt allow you to use a gear trade in + tomestone directly

so they have to do this convert gear + tome into token and into gear again

[whole estuary]

Does it allow you to change roles?

[amber fable]

Token basically allow free form buying

[jade nimbus]

Btw I was thinking

[amber fable]

You can use one role gear to buy aug gear for other role

[jade nimbus]

I wonder if you'd be able to go with two off tanks in 8.0 and be just fine

[amber fable]

Wait for berlin

[jade nimbus]

Yeye

[amber fable]

If anything 2x mt might be shit

But we shall see

[sleek moon]

the whole MT/OT is only for evolved so they already have to deal with the edge case of 1 tank being reb*rn

so it's probably not going to be a strict requirement

[whole estuary]

It sounded like it was just a matter of what was "a bit more optimal"

[jade nimbus]

Ye, cause I was wondering how they gonna make it work, since mt only gets counter, so at least more damage in theory

[amber fable]

Whats the opportunity cost to it

[tall field]

Warrior will see the most changes

[amber fable]

It gotta be good cuz its gcd

[tall field]

The other 2 will not be as much

[kind elm]

we need a slur for reborn users

[amber fable]

Re....born

[sleek moon]

there are also many old fights where 1 tank cannot really stay as main tank, and seems like the evolved main tank can put the buff on the other tank to get the counter proc anyways

[jade nimbus]

But also damage variance is usually not that much across tanks cause they want you to play all jobs and they all want you to be equal

[tall field]

Since warrior doesnt have much for it as an off tank

Equilibrium damnation

Self heals to matter

Etc etc

[sleek moon]

the new party finder setting is probably going to do more damage than this with how its forcing 2 melee, 1 barrier healer 1 pure healer

and probably soon 1 mt 1 ot

[tall field]

And pvp warripr isnt diff

[jade nimbus]

Alternatively they could give stronger mitigation to the MT, but make it so the MT gets more damage, but also as someone said reborn has to be taken into account

[tall field]

Like

[sleek moon]

people wont deviate from the default

[tall field]

Besides the fact it runs faster

[amber fable]

If ot has more mits and does more debuff

[tall field]

You still do psuedo

[amber fable]

Then 2x ot would be no Brainer

[tall field]

Pve

[amber fable]

Anywho..too much speculation

[jade nimbus]

It just seems weirde overall when I think about it, ye

[tall field]

Drk and gnb i can see slowly how they can do OTs

Just...freaking warrior is weirdge

[amber fable]

It is but at the same time

[jade nimbus]

Anyway ye, we might live in a timeline soon where two OT is the meta, imo

[tall field]

Apparently MT OT is the biggest concerning thing

For a lot of forums too

[jade nimbus]

We'll have to live and see

[tall field]

Yea

Warrior rework incoming

Rest will be a bit iterative

[jade nimbus]

I don't mind it, but the split isn't as simple as pure healer and shield healers

Cause two shield healers feel bad cause you need regen to top people off, and viceversa two regens healers lack mitigation for big raidwides

[amber fable]

They added perma dot in valigarmanda and then proceeded to not use it anywhere

[jade nimbus]

The difference here is that MT trade off is countering with more damage (In theory) and OT has party mit

[jolly flume]

double shield is busted as shit

and I kinda expect double OT to be good too if it's going the direction I think it is

but we'll see

[amber fable]

2x ot would be better than 2x mt

If ot becomes debuff bitch

[jade nimbus]

I think double tank will at least be meta for progging

Cause more mit overall, imo

[jolly flume]

I just don't think they're willing to remove so many defensives from OTs that it makes them unable to take heavy damage the way MTs will

[tall field]

New tank beinf broken yea

Being*

If SE made picto the caster god at launch

Picto was the reason tank aoe had enmity

[jade nimbus]

Nah, I think they still will have all their main defensive (so for drk, tbn, dark missionary and the big mit)

[tall field]

Thats literally a standard no dps imo did reach

Outdpsing tank stance

[dapper zealot]

I feel that slide page on MT/OT is poorly explained, since pld still has its party mits, if not slightly better

[amber fable]

It does

Main thing is counterattack gcd

They should have showed a ot

[jade nimbus]

Ye, it is also why it feels wacky. Like the MT thing might be just an evolved gameplay moment where the MT do less damage if they're not MT

But also mits are also prob wip

[jolly flume]

maybe what they meant by "better" is being able to proc secondary effects off taking damage and not so much just having more mit, idk

[amber fable]

Mt will have personal mit as it does now

[jolly flume]

more party mit tends to kinda be the play though

[amber fable]

Party mits..might get weaker

[jade nimbus]

Maybe something where if you throw tbn for drk on another and it pops, you gain more, ye

[dapper zealot]

how does war play in pvp?

[amber fable]

Ot will also debuff

War in pvp is dps

[tall field]

So will warrior get more mit

[rapid whale]

watch ot's get a button like, "-10% damage, unless the target is you" just to say fk you to ot who wanna mt

[amber fable]

A perma damage down is huge

[tall field]

HW warrior

[amber fable]

But then that would mean all fights assume it full time

And it will only punish pepega who dont do it

[tall field]

Pvp warrior is just cclocker and puller dps

[sleek moon]

more like ARR warrior

[rapid whale]

i fully expect it to be like purevs shield dsituation where double shield (ot in this case) is 100% fine but double pure (mt) might be kinda monka

[sleek moon]

back when warrior had 3 combos

[tall field]

Yea imagine if storm path instead of tempest

Gives this

[jade nimbus]

Unless it is more of a shared ability like role ability, so they can't stack, but doubt they do it like that

[tall field]

1 1 1 gives a perma dmg down

[sleek moon]

but iirc storm path was weaker than butchers block so keeping storm path on was...

gl convincing warriors

[worn bluff]

or maybe everyone else's mit will be brought down to warrior's level

[tired egret]

unironically I feel like Evolved WAR being OT was stupid considering current WAR is selfish

[jolly flume]

A feeble shield protects nothing!

🪄 Powder Mark 470857

[tired egret]

Paladin makes more sense to be OT considering it's main purpose IS protecting the party

[worn bluff]

maybe they have a bigger rework planned for WAR

considering there is barely anything in WAR's current kit

[tired egret]

that could make sense

[worn bluff]

if you're going to "evolve" it you have to change it up

[tall field]

Finally what i am feeling conveyed

[tired egret]

yeah

WAR being MT would make alot more sense with the current iteration

with the constant self heals & shit

[worn bluff]

i mean it'd be kind of like having only intervention/nascent and not bloodwhetting/sheltron

[tired egret]

while PLD being OT would make more sense due to all the party dmg reduction

[rapid whale]

sense?

this be new systems aint no sense to be had here

[worn bluff]

i'm not sure if this is how they're thinking of it, but it makes more sense if you erase all pretense of what the 4 tanks used to be before

and just start from scratch of what archetype you'd like them to be

[tall field]

Like there r only 2 ways a warrior can help

Nf and shake

While the rest

Can do more than 2

[jolly flume]

what

[rapid whale]

nothing stopping them from adding a bunch more

its entirely new kits

[tall field]

I mean saving the team ways

[rapid whale]

im saying what a job currently has is kinda irrelevant to what their evolved state will, tons of changes already

[jolly flume]

the whole point of this is to rework the jobs to be different from what they were before

I don't think it really matters what a job has right now

as long as what it ends up being makes sense and plays well

[rapid whale]

i'd say it's even the opposite of their stated goal with the introduction of evolved mode

if they kept everyone in the exact same spots

[worn bluff]

yeah i mean looking at DRG's rotation. they basically just borrowed some animations/ability names

but otherwise it's basically from scratch

[jade nimbus]

Ye, pld felt especially weird for that in the showcase, cause it was mostly the same

[kind elm]

a beam of steel...

[jade nimbus]

But it is a wip, and it was probably made so for the showcase since they wanted to introduce the collapsed combos and skills that change based on targeting

[jolly flume]

fire aspected aether:

[kind elm]

powder mark cant melt feeble shields

[sleek moon]

i hope they do dnc the next fanfest

[craggy marsh]

Hopefully a caster too

[craggy marsh]

I do think its neat how we saw one of the new PLD skills tho

Wings having a heal follow up is kinda cool

[novel garden]

I am also curious what dnc gonna look like

[dapper zealot]

divine caress 2.0

[tired egret]

I still wouldn't think a berserker with an axe is for support

lmfao

[worn bluff]

i was thinking more like

war cries

[tired egret]

....

MAYBE

huge emphasis on MAYBE

[worn bluff]

that's how i picture thrill

[dapper zealot]

a party wide bloodwhetting that gives a small heal would be cool

[jade nimbus]

ye, I might get into tanking next expac if the new tank is cool (or just stay in dps hell, lmao)

[craggy marsh]

I'm waiting to see what the new tank is to decide if I want to stay PLD or not

PLD been my comfort job for a long ass time

Sword and shield is just a cool style

[kind elm]

im coping so hard that theres a chance for a MH style lance

[craggy marsh]

Lance or gunlance

[jade nimbus]

I saw a few theories

[craggy marsh]

Both are correct answers

[jade nimbus]

double shield, hammer job, or even a performer with a mic for dps

[craggy marsh]

See double shield is too on the nose but at the same time Yoshi had worn shirts in the past that are blatantly obvious

[tall field]

I think most demanded will be new tank, Warrior, a caster and yea dancer/astro?

For showcase

[craggy marsh]

Probably

BLM or SMN for caster

Since those two are the ones with the most curiosity with evolved mode

[tall field]

Evolved smn
All primal summons condensed to 1 button

[jolly flume]

wait what if that was just him saying that double shield healers are gonna be meta for the entire expansion

[craggy marsh]

I'd kneel before him

[jade nimbus]

I mean, ye, I also remember the 'vpr hint was the guy with 2 swords on the tmnt shirt'

[robust shoal]

double shield double offtank

[tall field]

Wait wont sage override scholar mit?

[craggy marsh]

Ya the TMNT shirt was a 2 in 1

[jade nimbus]

that said, I like the performer read with the 'guess who's back' line

[robust shoal]

you just let sch do their spreadlos

[jade nimbus]

it feels enough on the nose and on the reach for everybody to get, like the painter names of the tnmt being an hint to pictomancer

[robust shoal]

most of what they do stack with each other

[jade nimbus]

it also means tank can get an hammer as a weapon /s

[craggy marsh]

Ya sometimes the shirts yoshi wears are very on the nose

Othertimes we overthink them too much

[jade nimbus]

also like half of the team at SE is music head, so a music pun fits them

[tall field]

I mean for samurai

Yea

[craggy marsh]

Like the 'Templar' thing

[tall field]

Bully maguire was the clue for samurai

[whole estuary]

What if it's so on the nose that Ritalin sans Undertale is the job instructor

[craggy marsh]

"I'm a fan of Sam Raimi movies" or something like that

[robust shoal]

samurai was the only one that wasn't obvious and he basically gave it away in an interview

[tall field]

Tobey spiderman is still my fav of the 3 tbh

But yea maybe why for them

[craggy marsh]

Was 3.4 before or after that fanfest? Bc Gosetsu shows up at the end of 3.4 and announces that he's a samurai of Doma