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#endgame-lounge
clear plume
There is a cute halmarut at fanfest handing out stickers to kiddos that’s adorable
trim frost
they’ll probably iterate on evolved in coming fanfests and demo them there but i’m just wondering how reborn will still be “familiar” enough with the 2m meta thrown out
clear plume
Your buffs only effect u instead of the party
spice path
This is a BIG change to ALL jobs. Thats why they are playing safe compared to other single job reworks.
clear plume
Bam familiar enough
clear plume
Keep rotation the same but not have to worry about reborn and evolved not playing nice together
thin fox
My mindset is just that if they are that worried about there being lots of issues coming as a result of the Evolved mode then doubling their workload by committing to maintaining and balancing the functional equivalent of 44 jobs seems to be like a natural roadblock in their ability to do that
trim frost
yeah
thin fox
The thing about a transition period is you kind of don't want to be in them forever because dealing with two systems at once just creates headaches and impedes your ability to work on the new thing
And even if we assume Reborn is being abandoned as early as 9.0 that's still probably close to 3 years of lifetime where they have to manage the game having both
spice path
They are only doing what people asked for. But this conversation is the exact reason why they keep both. Because people say they want something, then claim foul when they get it. 'No not like THAT'
trim frost
they can’t put their full energy towards both cuz obvious time and resource constraints so either reborn oldheads are gonna complain or people trying evolved are gonna complain
and then balancing that around savage is gonna be a whole other question
thin fox
They are only doing what people asked for. But this conversation is the exact re...
I mean you can't say "doing what people asked for" over an implementation of a system no one was expecting to exist. What?
dull drum
and then balancing that around savage is gonna be a whole other question
its 95% likely the first tier will be as much of a joke as LHW if not easier to buy them time to patch holes 
thin fox
I would like to see the receipts of this discussion where people were asking about the reborn/evolved split months in advance!
dull drum
which im fine with it is a first tier ig so its to be expected
proper cave
If reborn mode gets universal buffs by 8.3 then we’ll know the experiment was a failure
rapid whale
yea firs ttier + they prob tune it lighter to letppl learn evolved jobs
thin fox
1st tier is always sleeper easy anyway
trim frost
its 95% likely the first tier will be as much of a joke as LHW if not easier to ...
new job too strong
thin fox
new jobs fuck the tier + the mechanics lean easier anyway
thin fox
this game has not had a difficult first tier since hw
thin fox
yeah that's just kind of ? to me in light of their comments about not wanting evolved to have too much of an advantage
torn mesa
First tier being easy is fine
thin fox
how can you possibly say that when one version of the job has next to no cast times
torn mesa
Deltascape and LHW are probably too easy
dull drum
yeah that's just kind of ? to me in light of their comments about not wanting ev...
tbf they also said that evolved wasnt meant to be easier
but like is it not easier in the case of whm
they dont have to slide cast glare anymore
they have bad wording for sure
thin fox
I would say WHM and PLD were both massively simplified, personally; a thing I did not think I could ever say relative to current WHM.
spice path
I mean you can't say "doing what people asked for" over an implementation of a s...
People have been asking for more job identity. Asking to remove the 2min meta. Asking for button consolidation. This is that. So yes. It was expected. Or it should have been.
thin fox
Okay but my complaint is not that "they're removing the 2m meta" my complaint is they're trying to manage two systems at once
pallid kindle
delete reborn
loud nymph
I really don't see how they are going to pull the reborn rotations off if they are also going to delete 2ms
since the reborn stuff is inextricably linked with 2s
thin fox
If you asked me a month ago "what if they did a version of every job you thought was perfect and had an option to toggle between the new and the old to help with the transition" I would have said that sounds stupid and insane
just make the jobs good!
pallid kindle
how do you want them to do that
dull drum
one side is def gonna be screwed if they dont increase the amount of resources to dev or like you said cut out reborn just like how blue mage academy got bombed into oblivion because of beastmaster
thin fox
keep evolved delete reborn add cast times back to healers
spice path
They are doing that because people say they want the change, then flip out when they get it.
thin fox
idk who you're talking to but it's clearly not me
I really have no interest in arguing about the positions of a hypothetical person
dull drum
afaik they made it quite clear tamakis soloing the evolved rework and that just makes me giga cautious
not that hes a bad dev or anything but like inx said
hes shouldering a billion job balances
unless hes like secret identity endgame raider in all jobs or some crap like that
spice path
So you are only concerned about how you feel. Im thinking about the whole population, a large amount of which is very resistant to change, but loud about what they dont like.
dull drum
So you are only concerned about how you feel. Im thinking about the whole popula...
when did he ever say it was only about how he felt what
hes just saying the dev resources spent doesnt justify it and thats a whole population thing too
spice path
when did he ever say it was only about how he felt what
"I really have no interest in arguing about the positions of a hypothetical person"
dull drum
if they put all their resources into reborn and evolved and cut out previously announced updates thatd impact the playerbase no
thin fox
In this discussion, I am very specifically and exclusively talking about what I see as the clear issues that are going to arise from attempting to maintain the equivalent of 44 jobs as a result of keeping the new and old versions of all the jobs
While I have opinions on some of the specific changes for PLD/WHM/BRD/DRG, which I have described as varying from bad to great, they are incidental to the point I am making
spice path
And IM saying is that theres a reason. And I also doubt they will keep both beyond 9.0
marble grove
When's the Q&A?
thin fox
If their goal is to have a fallback in case of issues with Evolved, then I wonder whether the presence of this massively increased workload is going to function as a roadblock to fixing those very issues, because now they have more things they have to be concerned with
rapid whale
they might be running a "fuck it if balance sucks for a bit, we need time to work these jobs out" type of thing
launch picto was prep for this
spice path
I dont think its going to be as much an issue as you think.
thin fox
Their comments seem to suggest they are still very concerned with maintaining balance
spice path
Also, they only said prime is doing the system. I doubt he also is in charge of balancing etc. Probably not even potencies
dull drum
thats their goals yeah but theres def a clash
given CS3s track record id give that a huge grain of salt
wait and see pretty much because all we have atm is
rapid whale
yea
dull drum
vague comments, “look forward to it”, and “see you in berlin tokyo”
spice path
i'd also say that their trust in us is very low. we dont have a great track record of taking changes well.
thin fox
I mean, it might be easier to take changes well if they explained things better!
If they give people minimal details, people will speculate to fill the gaps
They know this happens
Yet they keep doing it!
They only have themselves to blame
dull drum
I mean, it might be easier to take changes well if they explained things better!
really think they should have showcased an additional tank and healer since WHM was alr so bland beforehand + to demonstrate the difference between OT/MT capabilities
cause like you said all we have for OT/MT is 3 bullet points and plds showcase
it was 2 mb msinfo
thin fox
I just want to know more about their mindset re: how far into the future do they see Reborn surviving, how do they intend to maintain balance across such a large number of jobs between their two versions, etc.
Of course I'm also interested to see the specific changes for each job, but like
That's incidental
These macro-level details regarding their mindset are going to be what drives all these changes
So it's what I want to hear about the most
nocturne escarp
really think they should have showcased an additional tank and healer since WHM ...
They might not have any others ready. I mean, the stuff they showed off was still very early in development.
craggy marsh
I just want to know more about their mindset re: how far into the future do they...
Considering new jobs only have evolved mode I can see reborn being phased out in 9.0
nocturne escarp
9 months is a lot of time for stuff to change and we have two more fanfests to go
thin fox
If they openly said that they're simply not going to put as much effort into Reborn and its mostly there as a failsafe/fallback option for people and they're likely going to phase it out come 9.0 or possibly even earlier if there are no issues with the rollout of Evolved mode I would probably be a lot more confident about the split
pallid kindle
we could find out today at the q&a
thin fox
If people go into the q&a
and ask some fucking
fuck ass
bullshit
nonsense questions
dull drum
i mean they are
pallid kindle
people are def gonna ask bullshit
thin fox
I'm gonna fly out there and strangle them
dull drum
only a couple people have the insight to ask deeper questions cause the rest are just drunk on the idea that they can do no wrong
thin fox
put me next to the microphone. someone comes up and starts asking about the character crea-- blow. you're gone. next person.
pallid kindle
the character creator would actually be a good question
cerulean crown
ppl lways ask bs and even if stuff from the keynote makes it through his answer is probably just gonna be "we'll see it in berlin/tokyo" or "i can't talk about it"
pallid kindle
if we get someone asking for a nier mount id agree that thats a bad question
thin fox
I think they would be more willing to talk about things like mindset/motivation than specific details
Obviously if you went up and asked
dull drum
its prob just gonna be a long string of cant talk about it
trim frost
put me next to the microphone. someone comes up and starts asking about the char...
yoshida san please give me ass slider NOW
inner shadow
Is the icy-veins item best in slot guide reliable?
trim frost
ye
trim frost
ye
inner shadow
ty
dull drum
yeah, refer to balance discord though if you want more insight on stuff like skill speed or spell speed differences i dont think icy veins goes into that deep detail
balance and icy veins are both maintained together though but yeah
inner shadow
yeah, refer to balance discord though if you want more insight on stuff like ski...
mainly want to see what penta melds to put
craggy marsh
nonsense questions
There's always a couple silly ones
mortal flower
put me next to the microphone. someone comes up and starts asking about the char...
Did we get any good Qs?
😭
pallid kindle
Did we get any good Qs?
hasnt happened
dull drum
q and a hasnt happened yet dunno
mortal flower
There's always a couple silly ones
MANGO PLEASE
dull drum
i wouldnt have any expectations at all tbh
craggy marsh
MANGO PLEASE
I'LL TRY
dull drum
just wait till berlin and tokyo pt much
pallid kindle
you can just go back to whenever yoship does the Q&A in game on JP and you see a ton of questions that nobody would care about
craggy marsh
I'm going to ask specifically "Hey, can we make phys ranged worse"
But nah fr idk what I would even ask him
mortal flower
I'm going to ask specifically "Hey, can we make phys ranged worse"
Is the ranged tax moving to evolved? If not can it? Thanks
zealous meteor
"will the character creator update let us make lalafells shorter than before?"
pallid kindle
out of everything you could ask
inner shadow
yeah, refer to balance discord though if you want more insight on stuff like ski...
Balance is quite not understandable
pallid kindle
or
mortal flower
"I'm afraid of tanks being too tanky, can we reduce shielding and healing amounts by 80%? Thanks Yoshi-p"
dull drum
speaking of dragoon it having 90% DR on sky high seems like it could have silly applications
💀
zealous meteor
anyway, even if someone asks "how long do you intend to keep reborn mode around?" or similar, i think the answer will be "we haven't decided that yet" or worse "we can't tell you until later"
woven halo
Is the ranged tax moving to evolved? If not can it? Thanks
The opposite, it’s stated that reborn will likely face slight damage loss (for average PF parser, since he had specifically pointed out those types of players concern)
Say top 15~20% of players
(Unless the question was “does Evolved mode also have ranged tax,” then I would have no clue)
zealous meteor
because if they say "yeah we'll probably remove it with 9.0" people will lose their shit over it
even if that is what they're planning
inner shadow
In xivgear how do I put historia gear?
zealous meteor
gear filters, change it from 770-999 (default) to 750-999
dull drum
In xivgear how do I put historia gear?
change gear filters
anything that isnt a concrete number loss im taking huge salt on cause them saying slight damage loss i dont think they know what they're talking about
inner shadow
and hq gear?
dull drum
should be HQ by default
sinful brook
What if you clear p2 today
loud nymph
you can do it
wicked delta
brisk charm
thats genuinely the visual i had in my head 😭
vestal hollow
ive barely studied its not happening
i believe
loud nymph
ive barely studied its not happening
just remember cards/intercards first, north/south sides, stack/defam first, grab tether, resolve add sides safe, towers, resolve stacks/defams, resolve towers, resolve tower debuffs, watch for which add is stored, resolve repeat stack 1, resolve add aoe, resolve repeat stack 2, resolve stored add aoe, mitigate raidwide
nova holly
where in the fight does tsukuyomi unreal usually end with current or around current ilvl? im watching the video guide but im curious how far in i actually need to remember 
loud nymph
it'll die during the final phase where it's a bunch of in/out left/rights with the various other overlaps
loud nymph
believe it or not idyllic is actually quite simple to execute
tulip wraith
just make macros and ezpz
loud nymph
it looks scary
but the reality is the actual mechanics are not fast or complex
it's just a repeated memory check over and over and over again
tulip wraith
the hardest part for me is lowkey tower debuff resolves
loud nymph
and you can sim it which helps a lot
true beacon
Like Barabariccia looks fast
And she can be
But once you clock the timings you get the feel and it slows down
tulip wraith
its a nice difficulty and really fun cause its different every time
loud nymph
it's intimidating to think of a mechanic that lasts for 40% of the boss hp and has that many steps
but there are large portions of it where you're just standing still
tulip wraith
^
like the first 10% i wanna say
he just does a bunch of setup you need to remember
loud nymph
basically from the initial cast all the way to the tethers is like totally afk, yeah
nova holly
interesting
tulip wraith
and you dont actually have to move for a while
loud nymph
then just everything resolves one after another
tulip wraith
then the ending is almost standing simlator again
loud nymph
and to be honest
tulip wraith
where you resolve copied tethers
loud nymph
the rest of phase 2 is very fast to learn
rep 1 isn't hard it's just fast and you have to watch the adds as they jump
the buster exists
rep 2 is easy
superchain is a joke
tulip wraith
i love rep 1 i love ball under cup game
m12p1 and p2 combined took less time than m11 for my static
tyrant really is another beast
loud nymph
yeah, tyrant is by far the wall here
tulip wraith
i took us like almost 2 hours to clear this week 😭
loud nymph
my group went from m11s clear to m12s clear in like a month, and we only raid 2x a week
clear plume
oh GOD tamaki mains vayne in league
Didn’t u see the bard design?
tulip wraith
same ish, we raid twice a week, 3 hours each day
loud nymph
m11s prog took us about as long as m12s both phases combined
clear plume
They literally gave it tumble
tulip wraith
kind elm
wait i just realized
nova holly
the time commitment for high end raiding scares me
kind elm
if i had a nickel for everytime an mmo added a combat rework which featured reference to "evolution" in its name and was divisive...
@rain geode @flint nymph @torn kindle
loud nymph
loud nymph
Tyrant was actually longer than both put together for us
tulip wraith
yup 
rain geode
if i had a nickel for everytime an mmo added a combat rework which featured refe...
LMAO, at the very least I don't think this one is going to kill the game.
dull drum
if i had a nickel for everytime an mmo added a combat rework which featured refe...
ive seen it happen twice
vestal hollow
people here havent played wow and it shows 
rain geode
I only play good games
vestal hollow
I only play good games
like what, ffxiv? omegalul
kind elm
all content will be polled
clear plume
Ffxiv is so good they blew up its entire combat system
rain geode
2029: they release old school final fantasy xiv
1.0 servers
rotund summit
people here havent played wow and it shows <a:classic:1395137104241102989>
im not sure if this is pro-evolved or anti-evolved
vestal hollow
i am aggressively pro evolved
rotund summit
ok based
nova holly
can’t wait for it
vestal hollow
people are all about change happening to the game until it makes them reconsider what they main and then thats too far
brisk scarab
kind elm
i am very pro evolved but i did not like what they showed of pld and whm and i hope that they will be adjusted before release
i think it is in all good for the game
especially going from how jobs work now
rain geode
I don't really have much of an opinion on evolved but it does seem pretty half baked tho unlike say EoC it doesn't fundamentally change the game the same way so it'll probably be at least... fine.
kind elm
oh yeah
vestal hollow
I don't really have much of an opinion on evolved but it does seem pretty half b...
yeah no shit its half baked its 9 months out of being finalized
kind elm
my opinion is entirely based on the extremely prerelease dev content with not even remotely finished ui implemented
and i am very aware of that
loud swift
i love the direction
vestal hollow
they just wanted to show their philosophy/what theyre doing, which is what i wanted - take the flavor from pvp kits and apply it to pve
kind elm
if it does end up feeling similar to current wow rotations, granted how little i have played of it, i will be very satisfied
rotund summit
yeah no shit its half baked its 9 months out of being finalized
as a wow player THIS is the part that always is strange to me, public beta with pretty minor changes like 6mo out from expansion launches compared to this is wild to me
vestal hollow
i was literally begging for this and i am excited to see what is done with drk, gnb, and mnk especially
loud swift
90% dr during sky high is def not balanced
well duh they said they are most definitely tweaking it
rain geode
yeah no shit its half baked its 9 months out of being finalized
I mean I'm mostly talking about the jobs we've already seen
vestal hollow
90% dr during sky high is def not balanced
they literally said "where's the fun in it being balanced"
loud swift
90% dr is busted and only works in pvp scenarios
loud swift
they literally said "where's the fun in it being balanced"
"nothing is bad if everything is op"
rain geode
they literally said "where's the fun in it being balanced"
Ideally you want the jobs to be balanced so you don't get just excluded for playing a certain job
vestal hollow
wheres the fun in that
they also said explicitly theyre making it so some fights encourage different comps
rain geode
wheres the fun in that
The fun in getting to play the game?
Getting excluded because of your job choice is lame and if that's part of evolved then evolved is really bad
clear plume
That’s literally how we ended up with 2m and homogenization
X class is bad make it better
vestal hollow
you cant have "this is fun" and "this is all perfectly balanced" and have that work
clear plume
And surprise better is the class that was picked instead
vestal hollow
youre basically defending the last 7 years ish with that
kind elm
i dont really give a shit about balance as long as everything is clearable
vestal hollow
theyre gonna take more risks, which they absolutely should do
vestal hollow
but again you are basing this off a pre-pre-pre alpha
we dont even know what encounter design is like
rain geode
Your really doing your best to make it sound even worse lol
vestal hollow
if certain jobs can do more cool shit in certain fights and put their dps up id rather have that. encourage skill expression.
proper cave
Killing two minute also frees up encounter design so it’s not so strictly rigid in its timing
wicked delta
what are they planning...
vestal hollow
pld and tje new mt both having a counter functionality is also super fun and gonna open up more parsing tech
going forward
kind elm
id be very happy if certain jobs got to excel in certain fights to a large extent
encourage people to learn more jobs
vestal hollow
encourage people to learn more jobs
and with the ilvl share thing this is clearly what they want. they dont want people picking mains they want people to play around with it more
flint nymph
if i had a nickel for everytime an mmo added a combat rework which featured refe...
yeah
loud swift
encourage people to learn more jobs
only if they make leveling alt jobs less of a pain
kind elm
like more than just "fight has alot of downtime so pct gets 1 billion free damage" more like with the dragoon positionals benefitting more stationary fights
flint nymph
the way my eye twitched when i saw them use the word "evolution" in regards to combat
kind elm
whereas maybe a less potiional heavy fight will benefit another melee
or something
that would be very nice
vestal hollow
drg having left/right positionals is so funny
loud swift
im not buying a level skip cuz drg is ass in a certain fight
i will either make it or break it with my main jobs
vestal hollow
we're gonna get a whole new generation of directionally challenged raiders
zealous meteor
larboard and starboard positionals
kind elm
only if they make leveling alt jobs less of a pain
leveling theme is mostly fine its the gearing thats the big stinker keeping people from playing multiple jobs in high end
but theyre fixing that
so W
rain geode
Im just not looking forward to getting pressured into playing the one job that's best in a fight is all
clear plume
It’s ok, owner of fflogs is quitting over no rdps so balance doesn’t matter
Bless up
loud swift
but theyre fixing that
yeah huge change actually. leveling still takes a decent portion of time though.
kind elm
alright im gonna go gambling googbye chat
loud swift
ive been leveling summoner/scholar and it atill takes forever......
level 94 tho so close ✌️
rain geode
I've always felt leveling is fairly brisk in this game. Gearing was the part that sucked
zealous meteor
isn't fflogs owned by the same people as wowlogs now
vestal hollow
more gearing avenues with the new season system is so peak
vestal hollow
isn't fflogs owned by the same people as wowlogs now
always has been
amber fable
Well good
loud swift
p*rsers are dead
remote gate
rain geode
Although even if I don't think evolved was that great I sorta wish they would just stick to their guns and not have reborn at all
rain geode
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong on this but my opinion is just rip the bandaid off lol
loud swift
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong on this but my opinion is just rip the bandaid off lol
I am in the same boat. reborn clearly will be phased out
untold oyster
I wish it was January 2027 already
No 2min meta
Parsers are upset
It’ll be a good time
rain geode
I'm curious what overbearing meta will replace it
rotund summit
pooling
untold oyster
People will care more about clearing faster than getting big parse numbers 
rotund summit
u can do a lot of resource manipulation based on BRD and DRG showcases
robust shoal
why would parsers be upset
loud swift
wonderbird has a lot to say about the matter
im not a parser/hc player so idrk and tbh i dont really care
it looks fun and i wanna play it soon
rain geode
Honestly I generally assume when people say parser they mean "vague collective of people I don't like"
rotund summit
anyone who uses my logs to exclude me is a parser
anyone with better logs than me is a parser
wicked delta
a lot of ppl in this channel are parsers who also clear fast so like idk man
untold oyster
Honestly I generally assume when people say parser they mean "vague collective o...
Indeed
There is a vague collective of people that I dislike
rain geode
Like I've been called a parser before because I had a like mid purple w2 on M10S
robust shoal
people who like opti are largely the ones who dislike the 2min meta
loud swift
ive checked my logs are theyre all ass but we are clearing and thats all that matters :)
robust shoal
it's the total removal of raidbuffs that people are sad about
rain geode
Honestly the most interesting thing to me about the evolved stuff is every group internally seems split on their opinions
rotund summit
yea unfortunately we just dont have details on if its ALL buffs, or just most buffs
untold oyster
All that matters to me with evolved is if the gameplay is fun
loud swift
bard buffs from what has been shown has only been utility and not dps buffs
loud swift
All that matters to me with evolved is if the gameplay is fun
real and true
if it makes fight design more interesting, then its good
robust shoal
All that matters to me with evolved is if the gameplay is fun
same with everyone
rain geode
Removing raid buffs in their entirity does make it feel a lot less like a team game. That's not inheritly a good or bad thing.
proper cave
Party focused buffs either removed or readjusted
robust shoal
Removing raid buffs in their entirity does make it feel a lot less like a team g...
I think it's inherently bad
Like half the opti I do is rdps-neutral shifting potency into other people's buffs
there's no reason to hoard resource and make overcap a concern without buffs
loud swift
if there is raid buffs, there will be damage optimization around it
trim frost
minor optimizations are fun
rain geode
there's no reason to hoard resource and make overcap a concern without buffs
Sure but a lot of people don't necessarily like that playstyle of playing around party buffs, I'm not saying your wrong or even that I disagree that it's fun.
robust shoal
What we've seen of evo seems to be a system where everything you do is optimal
and that's boring af
loud swift
feels like they're just removing buff windows
but dont know we've only seen 4 out of 21 jobs. and they arent even complete
rain geode
I mean you can't really remove buff windows without mostly removing raid buffs
proper cave
Self buffs are still present. Plus new conditional requirements to make stuff stronger
amber fable
Sustained self buffs arent really buff windows either
Its just hey you get dmg up for doing basic shit
proper cave
Would be extra funny if slash, pierce, and blunt resistance downs come back
They won’t, of course.
thin fox
casual elitists are both like a million times more common and a million times more annoying than parse elitists tbh
kind elm
and im even more annoying than that
rain geode
casual elitists are both like a million times more common and a million times mo...
I don't know if I've ever played a game where this isn't the case
Maaaaybe runescape?
clear plume
@robust shoal how’s the ironmouse m4 theme rating /10
visual geyser
Careful what you wish for is all I’ll say now that raid buffs are gone
Because now there’s no good reason why x job does more damage than y
dull drum
I don't know if I've ever played a game where this isn't the case
mb
oh you said isnt the case
yeah thats true
rain geode
LMAO
zealous meteor
casual elitists are both like a million times more common and a million times mo...
raging at doton daniels and then you look at their uptime and it's like 60%
dull drum
casual elitists are both like a million times more common and a million times mo...
cause they have little to no idea what they’re talking about yeah
like people who gatekeep legacy ults in the big 2026
visual geyser
Evolved reaper players gonna ask for their job to do more damage than evolved Sam
Just wait
mystic lava
Wow end of dawntrail really was that cat making a computer un-delete memories
turbid haven
So removing the buffs is a really big change, I guess now for 8.0 all you have to do is keep uptime?
I need to get hands on experience to see if its fun or not
robust shoal
<@977372087981310012> how’s the ironmouse m4 theme rating /10
whats this
clear plume
u missed the vtuber concert of ffxiv songs that included it smh
robust shoal
I thought they were wrapping it up with the eScape stuff so I went away for a bit
clear plume
yeah right after that she did 3 songs
robust shoal
clear plume
give it all, sinister (alvin and the chipmunks version), and return to oblivion (banger)
valid solar
zealous meteor
she uploaded all the songs to youtube it seems
clear plume
she is no chrissy but it wasnt bad
robust shoal
visual geyser
So removing the buffs is a really big change, I guess now for 8.0 all you have t...
Yuh
turbid haven
lol
craggy marsh
Ain't no way @rapid whale my Cruiserweight static leader is 4 ft in front of me at this coffee line at fanfest
dapper moon
sinful brook
Ain't no way <@863242747083227147> my Cruiserweight static leader is 4 ft in fro...
Action: Provoke
wicked delta
Ain't no way <@863242747083227147> my Cruiserweight static leader is 4 ft in fro...
well you know what to do
tight wing
yo, how useful is stone sea sky
true beacon
It’s not
dull drum
its not accurate at all to in the actual duty
robust shoal
!faq sss
storm frostBOT
robust shoal
beating it is usually a good sign but falling short isn't always a bad sign
I remember clearing e4s then failing the sss dummy
robust shoal
I haven't unlocked the ones past shb
they're not all that useful
If I want to practice my rotation I'll hit the dummy at my FC house
and if I want to practice my opener I'll go into an old savage/ex and jump off to reset cd
loud swift
is the only reason to use sss is to practice a rotation for a job synced to a certain level?
thats what i did to practice dragoon to play level 70 ulti
robust shoal
pretty much
thin fox
ok my final thought re: ilvl reflecting
I will be fine with this as long as its optional
I think if they just make it a toggle then that stops it from fucking things
tawdry delta
Huh I'm in that pic
sinful brook
I used it for practice opener
zealous meteor
Huh I'm in that pic
hey why weren't you at the panel, furiously updating the wiki
back to the mines
sinful brook
Would stand in front of it do a 2m round and then jump into a dungeon on explorer mode and drop a dummy in
rotund summit
I think if they just make it a toggle then that stops it from fucking things
for downscaling/faux level sync stuff? or just in general
thin fox
my concern re: the ilvl changes is that it could really fuck on-expansion ultimates if its a forced setting
tawdry delta
hey why weren't you at the panel, furiously updating the wiki
Nah only shit that mattered were yesterday
thin fox
imagine it was done this expansion for example
if you had to use the 7.2 BIS in FRU because the ilvl was auto reflected
amber fable
I mean its on user
thin fox
your dps would just get nuked
for no reason
but if its a toggle
i.e. you can say "no dont do it for this job/gearset/etc."
then its fine
dull drum
Huh I'm in that pic
you’re famous if he clears fru
thin fox
basically I still want the option to be able to say "dont touch my ilvl" for cases like ultimate where you might actually care about what youre going in with
dull drum
tawdry delta
you’re famous if he clears fru
They didn't their pf disbanded
dull drum
aw fuck
amber fable
Its only for job whom you dont have ilvl for anyway
thin fox
my point is if its forced
amber fable
Even fest pf cant gurantee a clear
thin fox
imagine I do LHW as tank and decide to do FRU as tank and then for CW I go as a melee
I get CW BIS as melee and now my new highest ilvl is much higher than my tank ilvl from LHW
if its forcibly autoreflected then I have to use CW ilvl in FRU
which results in worse damage
amber fable
I doubt it will work like that
Its probably will be duty based
And not universal upscale for all
thin fox
obviously there's a lot of things we don't really know yet, especially re: how this even interacts with stats/substats in general
at minimum I would expect the ability to opt in/out of this system
thin fox
e.g. to say "ok I'll put on this tank gear, don't reflect the ilvl from my other jobs" and then go into an ultimate with a precise ILVL
sinful brook
Let it be toggleable by job would be easiest
thin fox
gearset would make more sense imo
amber fable
Gotta wait for eu
thin fox
this is less me going this system is fucked because obv theres a lot of really easy to think of ways to make it work properly
I just hope they go into these at subsequent fanfests
if they dont bring it up I imagine someone will bring it up during the media tour
amber fable
Since they want this weekly pass to be your path to ilvl upgrade..
I think stat can be seperated all together
Like you have this generic slot with stat and you just put whatever glam over it
thin fox
Im mostly just curious because its like ok if I have a ilvl 850 reaper and an ilvl 830 white mage
does upscaling white mage just upscale its current substats?
proper dagger
hey guys where do i go if i need a c41 for dmu?
im really struggling to clear rn in pf
thin fox
meaning its still kind of tied to your gear
in the sense that gear determines the stats that are being upscaled
sinful brook
does upscaling white mage just upscale its current substats?
I'm leaning on them doing this like shit and having preset numbers by role
Just like how they do it in bozja
And you get sps on rdm
marble grove
Im mostly just curious because its like ok if I have a ilvl 850 reaper and an il...
it's iLvL purely
thin fox
it's iLvL purely
"ilvl" does not mean anything, because the actual thing you care about is stats. ilvl with no stats is the same as having no ilvl.
marble grove
but like Avx says, wait for Berlin
proper dagger
when is berlin?
tepid briar
Im mostly just curious because its like ok if I have a ilvl 850 reaper and an il...
it would probably be how gear is down leveled but the opposite direction
amber fable
July
thin fox
end(?) of july
marble grove
when is berlin?
July
thin fox
27th/28th i think
proper dagger
im frothing at the mouth hoping they tease both new jobs instead of just one
robust shoal
equipping HW gear on my healer so it has DH when I scale it up
proper dagger
i wanna see the new phys ranged become reality so sososososoosososo bad
tepid briar
You could have level five gear but as long as it has the same substats it wouldn't matter
proper dagger
im # very normal about it
amber fable
Hw tank gear with dps accessories
sinful brook
Makes lv1 glam gear defensively fine but useless otherwise
thin fox
cats are you excited for the fucking ludicrous 8.0 raid bis where you have to equip some stormblood ring because it has the perfect upscale 
marble grove
you guys
the UI thing was a test, was just to give an example
they just put random stuff there as an example
amber fable
We are thinking what it can be
sinful brook
Yes and what this discussion is is speculation
amber fable
We know it aint final
marble grove
where's this "mix and match gear" thing come from?
sinful brook
We're discussing it based on what we can see
thin fox
its just speculating how the system could work
sinful brook
And how the past was
thin fox
amber fable
Nothing deep
marble grove
tsk tsk
sinful brook
In hw tanks took DPS accessories because they gave strength
This is an extension of that potentiality
amber fable
And it has dh too
amber fable
It was funny seeing no meld hw gear can have 27% dh
On tank
Only time I ever got it that much on tank
sinful brook
And re bozja
People were taking shields in on whm and blm
Because it all got upsynced anyways
robust shoal
technically optimal but so infinitesimal
you actually lose a couple points of substats doing that due to rounding but I don't think you lose any stat tiers
but you get a 10% chance to block 10% damage while not casting
loud nymph
I still read the MT/OT split thing as more vibe based, the OTs are the tanks that have more aggressive vibes
loud swift
I think you can still have a "OT" tank in 8.0 be a MT
robust shoal
I think it's mostly just MT having counterattack actions that arbitrarily punish them for not holding aggro
loud nymph
I think you can still have a "OT" tank in 8.0 be a MT
Yeah, I'm sure you could
scarlet lintel
the only reason i main tank is bc i love warrior and i love MT, so i hope it's not as deep as it sounds
loud nymph
Just you'd be sacrificing counter damage
scarlet lintel
war not having counter damage sounds ? though
robust shoal
doubling up on MT/OT will almost certainly be fine for savage
honestly even ulti
but ulti mit plans are a lot more defined
dapper moon
tbh, they also said that you can clear content fine by having two ot, so it may be like how people can still clear stuff with double barrier healer and stuff like that
scarlet lintel
i was also used to the priveledge of very rarely needing to specify that i want MT since i play warrior lol
robust shoal
even now your MT/OT role in PF is defined by the comp for ulti
scarlet lintel
hm ig
loud nymph
war not having counter damage sounds ? though
Yeah that's true considering Vengeance/damnation
terse zodiac
watch both main tanks have absurdly long invulns
nocturne escarp
the only reason i main tank is bc i love warrior and i love MT, so i hope it's n...
From what we saw of PLD, they're not removing the "staples" of the job to make it fit the role. PLD still has its party mits and cover, which are more OT things. I'm sure WAR will be fine
robust shoal
idk what my static will do bc we're DRK/GNB currently but there's a good chance we just keep that for savage
scarlet lintel
ig ults aren't as big of a deal since OT gets to do mechanics, even war does more invulns in FRU as OT than as MT
but...i just like to have control of the boss Q.Q
loud swift
war/drk always goes out pretty good
loud nymph
But who knows how things will be in 8.x
tall ore
You can also do evolved ot and have a reborn mt
nocturne escarp
No
robust shoal
only the new jobs are forced to do evolved
scarlet lintel
so half the jobs are just getting duplicated now
loud nymph
You'll be about to swap between either mode while out of combat
amber fable
All jobs
pallid kindle
so half the jobs are just getting duplicated now
everything pre 8.0 is reborn adn evolved
loud nymph
Every job currently existing will have reborn mode
tall ore
All the jobs before this new expac will have a “reborn” mode which is how they work now
scarlet lintel
that seems like a whole other optimization headache to deal with....
loud nymph
Except blu/bst
pallid kindle
but its possible reborn is deleted at some point, so you should learn evolved at some point
robust shoal
though evo is supposed to do more damage so you're still taking a hit going reborn to mt
probably better to just mt on evo regardless
loud nymph
Yeah think it's very likely reborn will be gone by 10.0
scarlet lintel
like are pfs gonna be like "evolved only, no reborn jobs or kick"
amber fable
They are saying evo is better
pallid kindle
i think its 100% gone by 10.0 and likely by 9.0
mortal flower
^
pallid kindle
the longer they keep it around the worse
mortal flower
Evolved is just here to ease the transition
amber fable
Reborn you mean
amber fable
For oldies
tall ore
Yeah I think they did the split so they don’t have to commit if people hate evo mode
scarlet lintel
i just wonder how theyre gonna balance it
zealous meteor
they announced reborn mode so people don't mass unsub in january
rain geode
WAR being off tank is a little sad it feels more main tank energy but Ive come around to it since I think the starting classes should have 1 Main tank and 1 off tank between them
scarlet lintel
1 2min job in a sea of no 2min jobs
amber fable
They say all can clear
zealous meteor
like 90% of people in this channel
scarlet lintel
WAR being off tank is a little sad it feels more main tank energy *but* Ive come...
but i feel pal should have been the OT 
mortal flower
Because [assuming] content will be designed with Evo's [fluid burst timings/passive gauge gain at all times/increased mit/specalized roles] and Reborn will feel lackluster in comparison, or just harder to play especially when everyone isn't buffing eachother's 60 second burst which may or may not exist anymore
scarlet lintel
like it's just such a huge part of my ffxiv identity i just dont know how to cope with it but ill just wait
rain geode
but i feel pal should have been the OT <:DehyaFALLEN:1068040962074476586>
Nah of the 4 that currently exist PLD feels the most "main tank" just based on what a paladin is
mortal flower
like it's just such a huge part of my ffxiv identity i just dont know how to cop...
I'm gonna be super nice here.
Adapt or die
scarlet lintel
what was all my vengeance maxing for
mortal flower
It's how it always is and be
amber fable
Didnt say anything if you can mix them or not for re evo combos
vestal hollow
like 90% of people in this channel
scarlet lintel
getting mad at OTs provoking too earlye and causing me to lose like 55 potency for every auto that i didnt take smh
vestal hollow
90% of this channel will unsub anyways
scarlet lintel
or the hella survivability that works best for sustained hits and pales in comparision to paladin's insane mits for heavy hits
zealous meteor
pack it up guys we're all going to final fantasy xi
amber fable
I am already unsubbed
scarlet lintel
i could always return to dragoon i guess
rain geode
Well Id go back to OSRS
zealous meteor
you want hard content? how about an ultimate raid that took 22 months to clear
mortal flower
pack it up guys we're all going to final fantasy xi
Smh we need FFXIV classic now more than ever. /s
pallid kindle
90% of this channel will unsub anyways
change is good until it happens
loud nymph
pack it up guys we're all going to final fantasy xi
Sorry I don't have the giga brain needed to figure out how to install and manage my account
amber fable
8.0 looking good though
rain geode
you want hard content? how about an ultimate raid that took 22 months to clear
honestly if something takes that long to beat I feel like its probably more BS then fairly difficult
terse zodiac
will probably be a similar situation to healers where even pure healers get some barriers, barrier healers get some throughput just on longer cooldowns
would not shock me at all if warrior has a counter ability tied to taking damage during vengeance
scarlet lintel
pf doesnt even usually allow for double shield/regen
mortal flower
would not shock me at all if warrior has a counter ability tied to taking damage...
And would be applied to allies
scarlet lintel
but mt/ot could be diff ig
amber fable
Short lived shields with shorter cds
zealous meteor
honestly if something takes that long to beat I feel like its probably more BS t...
it was
vestal hollow
pf doesnt even usually allow for double shield/regen
double shield is goated double regen is griefing
mortal flower
Wow, kinda crazy huh
vestal hollow
hirkirkstrogenuinely
zealous meteor
it legit took a 1 in 100 pull to even be possible to clear
amber fable
pf doesnt even usually allow for double shield/regen
This depends on healers
zealous meteor
perfect RNG on corsair buffs + four coin flips on a boss's ability in a row
amber fable
If both heal are comfortable with 2x shield pf runs it
mortal flower
Regen is 'generally' a dead niche in modern fight design frfr
You're not dying to chip or absolutely need the regen because you're never that strapped for MP.
And or a barrier does the whole 'not dying' thing better
zealous meteor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owXygzRTdX0 imagine needing this much rng in an ultimate 
mortal flower
Or that damage happens so suddenly/quickly [think dual raid wides] that regen has like no benefit over shield in a comparison
And honestly you get more value off of shielding twice
Probably because the first kills anyways if you don't mit
amber fable
%mit matters more in multi hits
mortal flower
Something something a damage over time field [at like two stacks] like Vali EX would probably be the only time a regen would be based and cool compared to a shield
But even then a shield can eat that fine
scarlet lintel
Regen is 'generally' a dead niche in modern fight design frfr
my criterion static runs a whm and we definitely feel it lmao
mortal flower
So with all the changes so far [like them properly encouraging GCD heals and not just lilies] makes me very curious how damaging fights will be
And if shields will still be as valuable or strong
pallid kindle
So with all the changes so far [like them properly encouraging GCD heals and not...
reborn mode exists so im doubting significant battle changes
robust shoal
double regen is totally viable in lower floors
the problem comes in when the fixer hits for 400k raw and you don't have kera or soil
mortal flower
Yeah, not having a [nearly perma] source of mit is a big oof
So, we'll see how it shakes out over the expansions
I'm sure to start it'll be tame, but probably ramp up as it goes
Either that or Evolved will just have more tools to manage while Reborn just has to do more to keep afloat
true beacon
the problem comes in when the fixer hits for 400k raw and you don't have kera or...
Learned that myself doing P4S in like 6.1 with whm/ast
tulip wraith
ooh she did covers
wish it wasnt sinister :)
maybe hot take but i think its one of my least favorite songs this raid
willow jetty
so this thought came to me - when people were yelling out names for the possible Phys Ranged job - WHIP BLITZBALL HAMMER.... i think it might be the Whip class - cause they realistically just have to take an existing Leviathan tentacle - remodule and reskeleton and reskin it and change other variables and properties and scaling of it -- you have a working whip
or am i flawed in that logic
tulip wraith
aint there already a whip job in ff
vestal hollow
they said no whips
willow jetty
huh
vestal hollow
too hard to design unique ones
tulip wraith
oh and that apparently
willow jetty
so then its Blitzballer or a Hammer class
tulip wraith
no blitzballer
willow jetty
throwing hammers like Koppas
tulip wraith
they said 14 original job
or one that hasnt been a job already in ff
to be closer to their words iirc
willow jetty
well then woudnt the Tank be what Rhit was - he was never given a class name
pallid kindle
so this thought came to me - when people were yelling out names for the possible...
they actually said immediately after this they dont want to do a whip
willow jetty
i guess i missed it
tulip wraith
well then woudnt the Tank be what Rhit was - he was never given a class name
some sort of double shield probs
pallid kindle
GUESS WHOS BACK
willow jetty
well then they wouldnt want to encroach on Bard or Machinist
so im feeling the Hammer or the Morningstar is the new class
pallid kindle
yoyo
willow jetty
why would they make yoyo be the class thats really silly
they want Killuka from HxH
wait a second
tulip wraith
wait yoyo would be hype
pallid kindle
a yoyo would be better than a crossbow if we're being honest with ourselves
willow jetty
the yoyo when it hits could be elemental damage by the skill
pallid kindle
elemental damage
willow jetty
omg
willow jetty
so a yoyo ninja
omg
so its prolly either hammer or morningstar or yoyo
i honestly would want the morningstar
it wouldnt be a whip persay it would be more manageab;e
maneageable
cause if its 2 morningstars or 1 and a shield
the morningstar could have a very large aetheric chain that stretches for the skill
and hits things
willow jetty
yea so Rhit
loud nymph
And the rhit shirt
loud nymph
Whether it's dual shield like he was or something else
willow jetty
cause they never gave him a legit class name
loud nymph
But the shield I imagine is the main theme
willow jetty
right
dapper zealot
But the shield I imagine is the main theme
double shield bash :)
wicked delta
Making good adventurer plates is harder than ultimate content
dapper zealot
lmao I love yoshi p 'tried' to hide that EC was nordic inspired
loud swift
so
i just fought rhit in my eu alt
lots of tartarus named attacks
he does a directional parry
dapper zealot
mhmm tartare sauce
sullen minnow
wtf is happening on XIV twitter
dapper zealot
evolution
trim frost
removal of synergy actions = removal of raid buffs = no rdps
objectively that is less interesting
so if they're going down that route fight design needs to be very interesting to compensate
robust shoal
and then you hit the issue of normal modes and every non-max level duty being boring because you have a boring job and a duty that's not spiced up to compensate
but I think "they'll just make duties more fun" is cope anyway
craggy marsh
<:KermitHuH:1448028634848694292> wtf is happening on XIV twitter
It's another day that ends in Y for this community
I'll just sit in my happy corner with the evolved PLD 
craggy marsh
I still have a feeling reborn will be phased out in 9.0
Bc new jobs only have evolved
dapper zealot
I still have a feeling reborn will be phased out in 9.0
I hope so, no need to drag down fight design by having to balance for reborn
loud nymph
I do wonder how they're going to make the reborn jobs function at all without 2 minutes
loud swift
I'm playing with gyro controls!
craggy marsh
Switch 2 static
thin fox
you forgot no switch 2 smh
WE and i mean WE are ALL joining the watashia dsr pfs on switch 2
dapper zealot
True
craggy marsh
Watashia will become a Nintendo terrorist
dapper zealot
I do wonder how they're going to make the reborn jobs function *at all* without ...
Obvious answer is increase potencies. Then probably add a few evo skills to the reborn kit
thin fox
i mean yea you just have to distribute buffs make into raw potency
i'm just curious how jobs like dancer will look in 8.0
will dancer still have dp?
craggy marsh
I hope so, no need to drag down fight design by having to balance for reborn
I am still a little confused why they didn't make evolved just be the only thing but maybe I forgot their reasoning
thin fox
to help with the transition or something
loud nymph
yeah I'm just thinking it's gonna suck if I press hyosho ranryu and don't do a gazillion damage because it's all been rolled into my filler
idk
craggy marsh
Aaah
boreal pumice
will dancer still have dp?
wonder if their have to rework the job quests for it
dapper zealot
I am still a little confused why they didn't make evolved just be the only thing...
Yeah to help transition, also Yoshi p mentioned some old mmo he loved did the same thing and everyone hated it. So reborn is remaining as a safety net
dapper zealot
will dancer still have dp?
I hope so, that's a big part of its identity
boreal pumice
i dont like they made interupt/stun the same button on tank just thinking from a DD view its better to have em separate
dapper zealot
But they'll probably change the buffs to be something else or reduce it a lot
loud swift
i dont like they made interupt/stun the same button on tank just thinking from a...
10s cd
loud nymph
i dont like they made interupt/stun the same button on tank just thinking from a...
aren't they giving it multiple charges?
loud swift
idk
loud nymph
oh I must have imagined that
loud swift
prov/shirk has 2
boreal pumice
it was on provke'
loud swift
it honestly should be
robust shoal
voke/shirk being one button is so weird
boreal pumice
not that ppl used their role actions much
loud swift
i mean it makes sense. target ally give your enmity to them, target an enemy you generate enmity
loud nymph
it's really just the same thing WoW has done for years with help/harm macros or spells like Penance
dapper zealot
Yeah voke and shirk makes sense
craggy marsh
not that ppl used their role actions much
Tank players all of a sudden caring that their interject is combined with their stun even though 99% of tanks didn't even know what interject was
loud nymph
and it makes sense to have both on the same button since both are aggro abilities
boreal pumice
Tank players all of a sudden caring that their interject is combined with their ...
waay im the 1%
craggy marsh
1% tank squad
boreal pumice
if they can do it for vpr/pct dont see why not it adds abit of customize
loud nymph
They should allow it being combined or separate
that would be nice for sure
dapper zealot
They can also do that for a lot of the condensed actions
robust shoal
ngl it seems like I'll be wanting to re-sunder half the buttons
loud swift
bruh what npc marauder at level 50 gets a gap closer
boreal pumice
i wonder how it will work macro wise
robust shoal
should be same as now, just with the new action name
thin fox
I do not like some of the consolidations
robust shoal
I'm 100% just changing my shirk macro to the new action name
thin fox
I don't like aquaveil and benison being one button
some of us are good at the game thanks
robust shoal
I fear for oblation
boreal pumice
still funny shield bash lives on
thin fox
cover is such a weird ability for pld to have given that its been typecast as a mt
imagine your pld is tanking the boss and suddenly the boss flips around because the pld neeeded to cover a healer
robust shoal
would be funny to remove oblation at the same time as making drk a party utility tank
thin fox
robust shoal
I really don't like the dash+short duration on cover
Being able to dash to allies is cool but using cover from a distance is also cool
craggy marsh
WAR, DRK, and GNB doing /random to see who can be MT
remote gate
Tank players all of a sudden caring that their interject is combined with their ...
mango they took away pur ability to kick dirt in an enemies face
thin fox
we are locking a pld/new tank
remote gate
no warriors drk/gnb only
thin fox
enjoy your 0.5% enrage to no shield swipe
🛡️ STOP, THIS PF IS ONLY FOR REAL MAIN TANKS 🛡️ NO BALDOS 🛡️ NO FREEDOM LOVERS 🛡️ NO EDGY PEOPLE 🛡️
remote gate
can i get a refund on my warrior wu weapon
dapper zealot
craggy marsh
🛡️ BEHIND MY SHIELD MLADY 🛡️ I AM THE CANONICAL MAIN TANK 🛡️
thin fox
if there are still tank swaps then for world race pld/new tank is just insta lock
assuming the new tank also has some way to turn dmg received into dmg output
dapper zealot
I know that technically it won't have a bearing on normal content, but people are going to make it happen
boreal pumice
if there are still tank swaps then for world race pld/new tank is just insta loc...
you think itl be another pct being op
craggy marsh
I know that technically it won't have a bearing on normal content, but people ar...
People on their way to MT/OT comps in EX trials
thin fox
sleek moon
if there are still tank swaps then for world race pld/new tank is just insta loc...
didnt they imply the OT would have more mit or something, dmg debuffs
party mit
visual geyser
thin fox
kill the boss > mit
sleek moon
cant kill the boss if you die
thin fox
just dont die
dapper zealot
didnt they imply the OT would have more mit or something, dmg debuffs
yeah OTs are more focused on party mits and damage debuffs
thin fox
my assumption re: no snow is that the areas are either all in the air or that its also a time travel plot
sleek moon
the first few frames when they show the planet everything is turning into fire
thin fox
since there was the line in the trailer about being forced to flee to the skies, implying the sky (above the clouds?) is safe from the frost
pallid kindle
people say the old lady is y'shtola but would that mean y'shtola went to the 4th first and then there was some massive timeskip for them ???
craggy marsh
Inb4 there a moment in the msq where the zones freeze over
sleek moon
im thinking we're visiting two shards and they showed the locales of one while pretending it was the 4th
loud nymph
the first few frames when they show the planet everything is turning into fire
Presumably that was just the source prior to the sundering
sleek moon
like didnt one of the maps shown straight up had fucking lava
loud nymph
Since it shows all the reflections splitting off immediately after
pallid kindle
yea was that not final days into sundering
loud nymph
At least that's how I read it
pallid kindle
it looks exactly like the ending to amaurot
sleek moon
Presumably that was just the source prior to the sundering
oh true
thin fox
Presumably that was just the source prior to the sundering
yes this was my assumption too
since it went fire -> show the split
loud nymph
Also strongly figuring most of the people living on the fourth will be living in sky cities of some kind
While the zones will probably be a mix
thin fox
Also strongly figuring most of the people living on the fourth will be living in...
the concept art for the town was v clearly in the air
timber stratus
Fourth night battle pass
loud nymph
Maybe with weather shifting during MSQ like we had for ShB
Where zones would get the true day/night cycle after you kill the lightwarden for that area
loud nymph
So maybe during MSQ a zone is covered in ice then afterwards it "defrosts"
dapper zealot
The trailer says the survivors fled to the sky, so yeah floating zones
the surface is frozen over
thin fox
i really wonder what area this could possibly be in the source
it looks like shisui of the violet tide
sleek moon
idk if its lava or just like, molten metal or idk
loud nymph
the concept art for the town was v clearly in the air
Yeah, the trailer also has a line of dialogue about survivors having to take to the skies where we see a giant crystal thing floating in midair
sleek moon
that looks so ever cold
thin fox
this shit looked like it was from fucking world of warcraft
loud nymph
So I'm guessing there's a city in there
chrome surge
if you still have to look for aethercurrents... (which i imagine we do)
actually yea sea of clouds we still have to look for aethercurrents
loud nymph
Could be like sea of clouds, yeah
chrome surge
and azys lla too
thin fox
sea of clouds aethercurrents 
loud nymph
Small islands joined with bridges etc
dapper zealot
Welcome back sea of clouds and azys la
visual geyser
The zones could easily be like mamook btw
thin fox
most of the in game screenshots we saw had aetherytes in them
loud nymph
Yeah that's true too
chrome surge
just dont be like heavensward and have the worst fucking aetheryte placement in all expansions
visual geyser
That was because of the ps3
loud nymph
Could have half the zone up in the air then the other half on the frozen ground
pallid kindle
just dont be like heavensward and have the worst fucking aetheryte placement in ...
HW introduced flying which is def why the map design is so shit
visual geyser
HW introduced flying which is def why the map design is so shit
The ps3 was why
visual geyser
It’s why the hinterlands doesn’t have a fucking aetheryte
thin fox
is that an aethernet
chrome surge
well we always have starting cities and endgame cities
craggy marsh
just dont be like heavensward and have the worst fucking aetheryte placement in ...
Sea of clouds....
thin fox
its kind of crazy how fucking different all these areas look
craggy marsh
Why are there 2 aetherytes on the same side of the map and they're not even that far from eachother
sleek moon
i want more aether currents like that one from the lochs, you could feel the care and thought that went into that deliberate troll placement
pallid kindle
oh lol
sleek moon
you couldnt fake that kind of spite
chrome surge
i want more aether currents like that one from the lochs, you could feel the car...
i laughed when i found that aether current lol
chrome surge
the one on tempest was actually underground and i thought its up the cliff and i kept trying to climb it
craggy marsh
oh lol
Speaking of GS update I love how they didn't mention the GS update in the 7.5x road roadmap even tho at the PLL they said we'd get one
thin fox
GS?
craggy marsh
Gold Saucer
pallid kindle
Speaking of GS update I love how they didn't mention the GS update in the 7.5x r...
probably EU fanfest they'll say
loud swift
me totally not reading gs as great sword
pallid kindle
it has to be something big(ish) if they didnt mention it
loud venture
I was rewatching the keynote and noticed Koji said the region-wide matching also applies to world visit. So I guess the DC travel menu is getting entirely removed? Never have to log out again all worlds visitable from the ARR cities
craggy marsh
Not that anyone really cares about the saucer
thin fox
blue mage discord is probs dead in the water at this point
thin fox
I was rewatching the keynote and noticed Koji said the region-wide matching also...
this seemed to be the implication to me ?
pallid kindle
huh?
thin fox
that i can just go the aetheryte and hop from siren @ aether to brynhildr @ crystal
pallid kindle
oh
loud nymph
That would be nice
sleek moon
big if true
loud venture
Hunt trains are gonna be massive now
sleek moon
you mean more insufferable
thin fox
eh probably not
pallid kindle
Hunt trains are gonna be massive now
idk about that
thin fox
i couldn't tell how much of that was a confirmation
he said it as t hough he was saying like
loud venture
IDK I can i personally have been deterred from DC travel to a train bc the travel is so slow and annoying. Although I gues we'd be limited by world visit queue lol
thin fox
oh these shld probs also get redone at some point
i couldnt tell if he was saying
they WILL get an update
visual geyser
The new range phys is gonna get 2 buttons bro
clear plume
itll be dual throwing axes and get one button per axe
pallid kindle
yoyo would be way cooler than a crossbow
dapper zealot
it would also be original too
clear plume
its hammer that fits bc the dual axes will be viking esque