#endgame-lounge

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mortal flower
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If anything is saying 'shit will hurt' that is

wicked delta
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I like it but it looks a bit too uhh

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Cute?

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I like stuff that looks war torn in some way

terse zodiac
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Whm unironically has less healing in evolved

wicked delta
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Like the Bozja stuff

scarlet lintel
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are the job chanegs coming this patch next week or later?

terse zodiac
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You just can press cure more

worldly grotto
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Also we have to keep in mind the stuff we saw is in development and subject to change

worldly grotto
scarlet lintel
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so later?

worldly grotto
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So in 9 months

scarlet lintel
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can we still get job changes now, minor ones or ?

inner shadow
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Why does this give me genshin vibes

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terse zodiac
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There will be balancing but not huge changes

inner shadow
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Honestly looks good, cant wait for the new msq

worldly grotto
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At this point it'll probably just be some minor potency adjustments

mortal flower
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That says alot

inner shadow
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Hope they wont over complex stuff though, my 2 cells cant handle big changes

mortal flower
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Given WHM currently has like 17 OGCD heals

scarlet lintel
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surely this game wont become too hard for me after they kill 2min meta...

mortal flower
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[Is a joke but not really]

worldly grotto
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Less buttons to press so

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From 3 hotbars needed to like

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2?

terse zodiac
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Whm is already designed around gcd healing its kinda nonsense their points made

limpid edge
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im a fan of less buttons

worldly grotto
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1.5 really

terse zodiac
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This makes them more designed around all gcd heals not just lilys but theyre still removing things like asylum and assize

limpid edge
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i think sweetspot is 2 hotbars max

worldly grotto
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Less buttons but make the buttons interesting

limpid edge
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my 3rd hotbar always felt awkward

dapper zealot
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They're aiming around 16ish buttons

rapid whale
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iirc they said they intended for evolved jobs to have a max of 16 buttons

dapper zealot
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think pld has 17 including role stuff

rapid whale
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then role stuff

vestal hollow
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lot of notes taken from wow spec design

rapid whale
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thats good

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wow and xiv should both learn from each other

inner shadow
worldly grotto
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They should kiss

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Sloppy style

limpid edge
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less buttons but more interaction between those buttons

terse zodiac
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I wouldnt say thats the case at all unless theyre hiding skill trees

limpid edge
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but i was thinkin of usin an mmo mouse at some point

devout wraith
dapper zealot
devout wraith
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Legit they might just let (or even force) whm do 3 medicas in a row again and again and itll be dps neutral.

amber fable
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Yup

terse zodiac
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Seems from what they showed to just be heal when necessary and you wont lose much bc youll feed sanctuary every 30s so yeah all healing will be refunded instead of just lilies

wicked delta
amber fable
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People will still medica max

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Like dumbasses

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Guranteed

terse zodiac
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But to do that we are giving up a lot

scarlet lintel
amber fable
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Its more free now

terse zodiac
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Honestly they probably only made glare insta bc they removed anything else to press during dungeon pulls

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No dot, no regen, cant use holy

amber fable
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What was big ball it did

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That will be aoe probably

terse zodiac
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Big ball is misery replacement but it has a cast time

dapper zealot
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Can fanfest 2 and 3 give new info or does it only expand on what was in 1?

amber fable
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Gives new info too

dapper zealot
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so extra glam plates are on the table

terse zodiac
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Extreme cope but its not impossible

devout wraith
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Question tho, would full charged holy sanct = 2 glares + 2 high glares ? Or something slightly weaker

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Cuz if its truly dps neutral people can just spam heal lmao

terse zodiac
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Its going to change massively but it was doing 40% more than glare at base

amber fable
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Potency depends on balls

terse zodiac
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And adding like 90% of a glare per stack

amber fable
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Think sss

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More balls more damage

devout wraith
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Wondering if it might even be a better strat just solely for fishing for perfect cdh full stack holy sanct for the whole fight lol

amber fable
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Cpuld be

terse zodiac
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So from the build they had it was not damage neutral its a loss to heal just not much

amber fable
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Overall its basically instead of 20 sec use lily get blood

terse zodiac
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Could be that like 1 stack is bad, 2 is slight loss, 3 is a gain too

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But i bet itll be a flat rate

amber fable
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Wont be %

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Same potency of glare x balls

terse zodiac
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+100 potency per stack instead of +50,+150,+350

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Probably

amber fable
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I am intrigued how it will play in actual high end content

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Dev team should show it

terse zodiac
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Pretty basic unless healing requirements go way up

limpid edge
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surely they go up

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they want us to heal now

amber fable
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They want more gcd heals

terse zodiac
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Even if they do you only get 6 heals per minute without losing damage

rapid whale
devout wraith
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Optimal whm rotation is now medica medica medica > holy sanct > repeat

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xD

terse zodiac
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You cant just spam heal bc it only buffs 1 skill on a 30s cooldown

devout wraith
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Holy sanct maxxing

terse zodiac
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So any heals past 3 is wasted

devout wraith
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Oh that's fair

rapid whale
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theres prob gonna be like

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stock up on those right before a pot window

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and a blood lily

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etc

terse zodiac
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Blood lily is gone

rapid whale
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is it

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i thought they had both still ic

terse zodiac
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Yeah ball is the replacement

loud swift
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oh yeah pot windows

terse zodiac
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Pot on cooldown gonna be a thing now hm

devout wraith
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Will they keep 4:30 pots or nah

rapid whale
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theres prob still gonna be optimal windows

limpid edge
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ilvl change seems nice

rapid whale
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like whether your job bursts on the 1min or not

limpid edge
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no more gearing up alt jobs??

devout wraith
rapid whale
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if i understood it correctly you prob will still have to

terse zodiac
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Probably most jobs get extra damage from pots now though

rapid whale
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at least if you want true bis

terse zodiac
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Just by not having to tie to a 2 min window or an off window

limpid edge
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so it's prob like a catchup for alt jobs but not necessarily full BiS i see

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i cant imagine full BiS for free on alt jobs. SE still wants you to spend some extra time on non-main jobs

rapid whale
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the way im imagining it (guessing) is : if you had raid helm and sync to another job, say healer, that job also has raid helm, but tome helm (or battle pass, w/e) might have been true bis

limpid edge
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im all for it tho, any way to speed up the current system cuz alt gearing suuucks

craggy marsh
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Oh damn did chiyo leave the server?

terse zodiac
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They did say alternate ways to ilvl up which is interesting, waiting to hear more on that

limpid edge
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wanst me tho!

craggy marsh
wicked delta
craggy marsh
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Oof

wicked delta
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Then got told off for telling the guy to fuck off and not modmailing it

devout wraith
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I think pot optimization could be more of a thing than now. Like trying to fit as much potency within the pot window. Unlike now which is already kinda solved because its the same as every 2min bursts (except some fights).

wicked delta
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And afterwards he got muted cus of something for 6 hours so he just decided to leave

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I wasn’t fully paying attention cus I was watching the dev letter thats just what I remember

rapid whale
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gg we now in the 4 min 30 s meta

craggy marsh
vestal hollow
craggy marsh
terse zodiac
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Pld has their burst to 2 charges 40s cooldown so pooling sort of will exist for them for pot

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Other jobs might have similar things

amber fable
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It might align at odd times

loud swift
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pot whenever meta

amber fable
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You still wanna maximize pot usage anyway

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Assuming it stays the same

terse zodiac
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4:30 pots itll line up with pld burst very well if gauge stays 40s

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Dragoon not so much it bursts every minute but still better than waiting until a 2m

amber fable
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Drg is 1min even now

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Altho dfd and litany is 2

terse zodiac
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Im curious how pld counter will be damagewise, will you maximize your counter presses?

amber fable
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Otherwise it repeats same shit mostly every min

loud swift
amber fable
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Yeah but its 1 button per 2 min

terse zodiac
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Like will every auto and raidwide under sheltron give a counter? That would be a really interesting way to play

loud swift
devout wraith
terse zodiac
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Not only that but like youll have to time your sheltrons constantly in the fight to maximize the amount of counters you get

loud swift
limpid edge
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more facepaint options is nice

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cuz ive ben wanting to combo

devout wraith
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Is it based on shield break? I see it more like sam's tengetsu

terse zodiac
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I dont remember if they showed it activating twice with one use but if it does that will be way more fun imo

amber fable
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4/8 sec window on hs

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Same as tengetsu

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Except you get gcd

terse zodiac
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4s for one, 4s for lesser effect

amber fable
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4s parry is stronger

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So you can opti

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With timing it

terse zodiac
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Yeah it was like 10% stronger on their build

clear plume
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They said the plan is to keep savage the same as now when they were talking about the middle difficulty, I’m not taking that to mean it’ll actually be harder

terse zodiac
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What im asking is like say 3 autos hit in 8 seconds, can you get 3 parries off one use?

amber fable
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Probably

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I am guessing gcd has cd

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So cant parry gcd for all 3

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But you can generate gcd faster

rapid whale
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r they gonna call it extreme or advanced raids i wonder

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or a good old fashioned hard

terse zodiac
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Timing to get the bonus damage and also extra counters is way better to what we have now

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Depending on counter balancing

amber fable
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I assume it will be like 250/400

terse zodiac
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Heroic raids

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O wait

amber fable
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Advanced raids

loud swift
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Epic raids

terse zodiac
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I just realized did they not imply theyd announce the gold saucer update at fanfest?

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Ig theyre waiting til close to 7.55?

devout wraith
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Is it 8 man raids the one theyre giving the advanced treatment? Or something else?

amber fable
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Yes

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New raid tier will be normal/???/savage

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Savage will be hardest still

limpid edge
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wonder how they gonna design the intermediate difficulty cuz they couldnt make it too similar to savage else it might make savage too easy to predict

amber fable
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I mean they can

limpid edge
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assuming advanced comes out same time as normal

amber fable
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Wf wont do intermediate anyway

terse zodiac
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Also when will it launch

rapid whale
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didnt they say they intended for it to be about 75% as hard as a savage

limpid edge
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like in normal they obviously hide a lot of things. Advanced they wont have as much leeway. Only so much you can hide

rapid whale
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i coulda swore they used a number like that

limpid edge
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unless they make mechs completely different

rapid whale
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maybe im mis-remembering

clear plume
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That’s like saying the new criterion wasn’t fun to blind prog bc of advanced

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Like nah it was fine

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Savage only phases can stay savage only

terse zodiac
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Could just launch with savage and be a less punishing but very similar fight

amber fable
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Same timeline

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Remove some mechs

dapper moon
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tbh, if variant advanced is anything to go by, it may be similar to that in difficulty

amber fable
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Reduce hp/damage

terse zodiac
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Variant advanced difficulty was very fun casually so im down for that

amber fable
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Normal does have some mechs which are harder than savage

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At times

limpid edge
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im all for intermediat difficulty tho

amber fable
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Or well more interesting

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So they can do that

limpid edge
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cuz i do want something in between that i can just join randomly in DF

clear plume
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They can also do what they did with criterion and make it give old ulti weapons for no reason, thoughts?

devout wraith
dapper moon
limpid edge
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actually easier in savage

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which is funny

amber fable
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So they can cook

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P6n had more interesting mechs than savage

limpid edge
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i think advanced could actually have the hardest renditioin of a mech on replays at least

clear plume
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I’d die for honey b lovely meow

rapid whale
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simp

amber fable
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P9n had some interesting ideas too

clear plume
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Check my search info

limpid edge
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normal modes have more leeway in design , they can go balls out without hampering player dps cuz people dont care bout that shit as much

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i see the same for advanced

amber fable
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So advance can be hard

limpid edge
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yes but also very diff from savage

amber fable
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It may have soft enrages only

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And not hard

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Repeat soft enrages

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Here and there

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So if you limp too much

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You die to it

devout wraith
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Advanced diff should still be content that's recoverable or can be carried by one good player.

clear plume
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I hope it’s harder than ex/advanced personally, because they should bridge the gap for players between it and savage, so ideally the last floor is slightly harder than first floor of savage

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With first floor being slightly easier than extreme trial to get people into it

amber fable
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Honestly its the all or nothing in savages which trip people up more

clear plume
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It being entirely different design completely ruins the reason they have for making it

amber fable
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They only have to reduce that

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Remove magic vulns from stuff

devout wraith
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Is ex not a bridge to savage anymore?

limpid edge
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it doesnt have to be entirely diff, just specific mechs have more individual emphasis

amber fable
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Ex is mechanically simpler

clear plume
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Players who do extreme trials once every 4 months simply aren’t ready to prog an entire savage tier

amber fable
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Much simpler

rapid whale
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i could see advanced raids being like, just as likely to kill you as savage BUT way less body checks and no serious dps check

clear plume
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If they hop into it they can get good enough for it, but there isn’t a upwards escalator to help them

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You jump into a relatively deep pool and just wipe until you don’t

amber fable
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Savage isnt that hard

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Tbf

rapid whale
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it is to msq andies

amber fable
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As a casual you have to put in time

limpid edge
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that's cuz you do savage

amber fable
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That's all

clear plume
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And I think they realistically could make it a lot more approachable if they have advanced they can for sure get into if they do ex

limpid edge
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ofc it feels easier once you've done it. The hardest part is stepping into it , giving people the confidence to just start

clear plume
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And hey, if you finished that, you can for sure do the savages

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And it helps people ease into it

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That’s the reason to do it

rapid whale
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i could see it being like, "groups that normally clear savage week 10+ would now clear advanced in 2 weeks"

amber fable
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If it gets more people into savage

clear plume
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Bc most players right now simply do not think savage is for them

amber fable
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Then all the better

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Atleast pf will fill faster

limpid edge
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i was hella nervous when i first did savage. Even did not one but TWO mch early pulls xd

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stupid pranged autoattack

amber fable
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I started when aspho was 1 month from 6.2

dapper zealot
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Rewatching the dev panel since I missed a lot from chat distractions. Plenary turns cure/medica into afflatus versions, so basically whm euraksia??

amber fable
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So abyssos was my first tier

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Doing p8s first time for final floor was sure an experience

dapper zealot
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Whm just stealing shit from other healers

amber fable
devout wraith
amber fable
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More functionality

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To same buttons

dapper zealot
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So sge probably won't have euraksia?

amber fable
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It should

random needle
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Hard to say rn

dapper zealot
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Cause they would make it overlap

amber fable
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It will do different shit too

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Like damage options

rapid whale
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making them overlap never stopped se before tho

devout wraith
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I mean eukrasia doesnt have charges, can spam them forever

random needle
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Do we think Evolved AST is bringing back rng cards

amber fable
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Both are equal in their roles

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As selfish heals

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Well all selfish now

terse zodiac
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Eukrasia fits the new design so i imagine it stays

dapper zealot
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I sge to do more with kardia

amber fable
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Partywide kardia

rapid whale
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i think evolved ast is gonna get 1 card with all the tank stuff on it and thats it

amber fable
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Party haste

rapid whale
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it's just divine benison + aquavale

amber fable
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Se make it happen

dapper zealot
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We have philosophia but like

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It's meh

rapid whale
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i do like the direction of, "less overall buttons, but more interaction between buttons" idea they seem to be going with

amber fable
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Better than pressing one button every 2 min

dapper zealot
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I am sad they got rid of asylum

amber fable
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Mental

devout wraith
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Is it not there in reborn?

amber fable
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They did show reborn bar

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But not in gameplay

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And only pld was shown

dapper zealot
rapid whale
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a lot of people seem to be under the impression reborn is "as is, but with a new ogcd ors omething" but i get the feeling it's still gonna be quite diff than current jobs

amber fable
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2m buffs are removed

devout wraith
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I wonder how different reborn bar is actually gonna be. There's no shot the current bard will exist alongside the evo bard

amber fable
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From reborn too

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So damage 2m stays probably

random needle
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The number 1 thing I wanna see for Evolved jobs is what the other supports look like

amber fable
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Potencies will change to reflect loss of buffs

rapid whale
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whm seemed to have ppl on actual angery

amber fable
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Its same

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But even simpler

random needle
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Paladin and White Mage are the plain Janes of supports, so before I go complete doomer mode, I want to see how they handle, say, Dark Knight or Scholar

amber fable
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I get the sentiment

dapper zealot
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Yeah whm is just whm but simpler

amber fable
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Pld had cool interaction

rapid whale
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our bread is now breadier

terse zodiac
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They did just show the ff mains but left blm off playdead

dapper zealot
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Drg and brd were great, pld needs some more cooking

amber fable
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Drg and brd looked decent too

rapid whale
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yea drg looked lit

devout wraith
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Blm imo is already evo mode lol

amber fable
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Blm was too raw

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I mean it will phase change and spam para

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No cast time

dusk sky
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I need to see AST and SCH evolved 060_SNIFFA

amber fable
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And cast time for when it can for stronger spells

terse zodiac
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Blm is not in evolved already its still very classic ffxiv design

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I expect huge changes

devout wraith
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Tho I could see them putting af and despair after f4 button. And b4 after b3.

terse zodiac
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The pvp design for blm is wildly different

dusk sky
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Like VPR and PCT will have Evolved modes added, too, though I could see how some buttons could be trimmed down on PCT

random needle
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Yeah, PvP BLM uses fire for damage and ice for movement, rather than ice being just for MP regen

mortal flower
terse zodiac
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Feels like more what theyll will lean into imo

mortal flower
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Like from regularly clearing EX to finishing youe first savage is a big ass leap

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Source: that's me

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I'm like mid-core

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I do EX regularly and do fine

dusk sky
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Well tbf, generally speaking EX’s are equivalent to first and second floors

mortal flower
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But Savage kicks your ass because the margin for error is alot slimmer

dusk sky
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…now third and fourth floors… yeah…

amber fable
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I got used to savage in abyssos

random needle
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Wonder what they're gonna call the mid-core 8 man raid tier

amber fable
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So i dont feel much from it now

terse zodiac
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Vpr feels like an evolved already just few too many buttons, pct could just combine all the paintings motifs and followups

dusk sky
devout wraith
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Doomtrain ex isnt that hard...

amber fable
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Its easy

random needle
amber fable
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Well if you use braindead

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Then yeah its kinda chill

random needle
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It's still not too tough if you do the mechanic as intended

mortal flower
dapper zealot
mortal flower
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Normal -> Ruthless -> Savage

mortal flower
dapper moon
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we need more names

dapper zealot
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I really do hope they streamline the naming convention

mortal flower
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And just go Just give it MH stars

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this shit? 1☆

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that shit? 7☆

dapper zealot
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Watch 9.0 give a bridge between savage and ult

mortal flower
dapper zealot
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I mean there's kinda criterion savage I guess

devout wraith
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Q40

mortal flower
dapper zealot
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That would be easier

amber fable
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Criterion savage is different from ult

devout wraith
visual geyser
mortal flower
pallid kindle
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unreal is below EX

amber fable
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Unreal is ex

pallid kindle
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its easier than current exs

mortal flower
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Look at Byakko

amber fable
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Shinryu is harder than zalenia

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Even suzaku was

mortal flower
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Byakko was like 3 mechanics total

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🤣

amber fable
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We dont count that

pallid kindle
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its either below ex or matches ex so it does average out to below ex

devout wraith
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We went from thordan to byakko lmao

amber fable
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Ew had some easy ex too

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Zermous was 1 pull

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Lmao

mortal flower
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Where people who can't rotate the apple in their head

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Perish

devout wraith
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Zodiark was pretty fun despite being a Dorito fight lol

pallid kindle
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there was someone for the stars intermission thing that didnt know the AOEs were visible in the sky 😭

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they saw the stars and asked the rest of the party if they knew about that

wicked delta
devout wraith
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Endsinger is a Dorito fight too

mortal flower
dapper zealot
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Imagine they add gnocchi timer back on evo blm

dapper moon
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where's that mario party minigame?

devout wraith
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And Rubicante for most of it is a Dorito fight too

pallid kindle
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when r we getting savage unreal

devout wraith
mortal flower
dapper zealot
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Wonder if there's going to be weird interactions between two of the same jobs but with different modes in a duty

mortal flower
dapper zealot
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Just anything really

rapid whale
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oh fanfest stream went up; are we gonna see more stuff today?

mortal flower
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Doubt

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Everything goes to berlin

marble grove
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Q&A with YoshiP later tho

rapid whale
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'y did u kick my dog'

mortal flower
amber fable
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He says fuck you and none would know kek

marble grove
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"Explain the Battle Pass system"

YoshiP: "Bitch I did that yesterday."

pallid kindle
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how good the Q&A is entirely depends on the people going and asking the questions

mortal flower
amber fable
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Today it will end right?

pallid kindle
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theres nothing after today until EU

marble grove
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July

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Silence until July

amber fable
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Not that much time

mortal flower
limpid edge
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what is today gonna talk about

amber fable
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Its may already

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2 more months

pallid kindle
marble grove
limpid edge
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who gonna be askin

marble grove
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so who knows really

pallid kindle
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the people at fanfest

amber fable
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Ask stupid ass question probably

marble grove
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It's the fanfest crowd

limpid edge
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yoshi can you stop smoking? We want you live long!

amber fable
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Like whats his favorite adventure plate

marble grove
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so there's a 50/50 chance

mortal flower
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@craggy marsh ask the important questions please

amber fable
marble grove
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Can you imagine tho

limpid edge
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plates are THE BEST

marble grove
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"What's your favourite Furry skin"

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YoshiP: What's a furry?

amber fable
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Will we get dong sliders?

marble grove
amber fable
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Theres boob slider

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Need a butt first

limpid edge
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chest slider still kinda limited. I can see them increasing the limit a bit

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skin color is intersting. We can anyone green/red now?

amber fable
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Yes

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Orclander is real

limpid edge
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im prepared to see a lot more rainbow hair too

amber fable
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Felroes

limpid edge
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solution 9 npc hair colors at last

nocturne escarp
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I can't wait for another free fanta I won't use

craggy marsh
#

What is the question

willow jetty
#

So wanted to ask this hot topic question regarding the Evercold trailer - does anyone else agree that the WoL as Reaper is a jebait - and he will change to either the new tank or the new phys ranged in either the EU trailer or the JP trailer ? or will 1 of the other Scions be either the new tank or phys ranged

rapid whale
#

i dont think the job they play during the trailer has much significance at all ngl

marble grove
#

considering it's a teaser

#

probably

kind elm
#

wasnt poster wol PLD in EW?

#

they definitely can just make it rpr

random needle
#

They introduced a new tank in ShB but WoL was still DRK

#

Poster job in HW was DRG, not any of the three new jobs, and one of the posters for SB was Monk

#

So the WoL's poster job being one of the new ones for the expac is... half of Stormblood and Dawntrail and nothing else

spice path
#

yeah the WoL has been an old job more often then not.

dapper zealot
#

Poster job has been an old job 3/5 times

#

Well 4/6 now

#

Omg, that's another reason why dt is stb 2.0

willow jetty
#

so i know that the new tank is supposed to be an original concept but

#

i really think Yoshi is playing the long game by when he wore the Rhit shirt

devout wraith
#

Guys are they changing the gcd? I heard things that glare is like 1.8

spice path
#

i think the shirt is a jbait, but could be wrong.

dapper zealot
#

Is double shield or gun shield a legacy job?

devout wraith
spice path
boreal pumice
dapper zealot
#

It's going to be based on rhit

boreal pumice
#

ive had to fight that 4 different times

spice path
#

hm.

devout wraith
#

lmao

rapid whale
#

Double gun shields let's go

#

Lmao

spice path
#

lol dang

rapid whale
#

13 battle theme is amazing

#

Hopefully we get that if it's actually the 13 expac

valid solar
#

I saw another theory that went:

Guess who's back --> Eminem --> Marshall (possible pranged ?)

boreal pumice
#

bottom left is LR , they should went with a picture of a mob thats been librad

rapid whale
#

What would they use as a weapon tho

boreal pumice
#

ff13 stuff is mostly tied in with allagans eveyr monster from 13 is allagan

rapid whale
#

I hear Marshall I'm thinking sniper rifle but we have mch

valid solar
#

could just be dual wield pistols

devout wraith
#

Sentinel in FF13 has counter moves too, entrench, vendetta, mediguard/steelguard which also had taking damage procs etc...

Hearing about theories that MT role specializes on taking damage and/or countering, hmmm......

dapper zealot
#

Mr prime please give mch the pvp sniper

#

Please

valid solar
#

everyone was saying 8.0 will be ff7 expac before the fanfest but it really does seem like its gonna be the ff13 expac

devout wraith
limpid edge
#

also looks like something on mobile too

boreal pumice
limpid edge
#

visually i thought FF13 was really cool. Loved the environmental and monster designs

valid solar
dapper zealot
boreal pumice
#

or just for shits an giggles go the barret route and ue a gun arm as we seen from 7r they look decent and can be changed

spice path
boreal pumice
#

the LB for ranged are barrets limit breaks anyway

limpid edge
#

maybe midway they gotta put some ff7 bits for ff7 part 3 release

#

to help hype up the game

#

ff7 love child of Square, i can taste FF14 helping out giving it exposure

#

also 14/2 = 7
coincidence? I think NOT

distant knoll
#

didnt they also do ff7 items for shb fanfest

#

this really is shb 2

spice path
#

i hope so... we need that again...

rapid whale
clear plume
valid solar
# rapid whale pog

bapple is gonna be one of those old people who get scammed by AI 10 years from now

rapid whale
#

ty for your confidence

proper dagger
#

why does everyone all of a sudden hate burst 2 minute window ?

rapid whale
#

i dont think they did

proper dagger
#

im seeing like... hundreds of posts saying that 2 min "meta" is bad for the game and that no one likes it and players should get to play how they want

#

like unironically im so serious

rapid whale
#

there's always gonna be a mathematically correct rotation

zealous meteor
proper dagger
#

they dont like "rdps" or raid buffs either apparently

rapid whale
zealous meteor
#

yeah i probably deserve that

proper dagger
#

just crazy stuff..

rapid whale
#

the only complaint about 2min meta that is valid, imho, is how it impacted fight design

#

but in terms of gameplay i think people are heavy coping thinking these new changes mean "i can hit whatever button i want"

#

there's absolutely going to be some rotation for their job that is optimal

proper dagger
#

honestly its fine to not like how it interacts with fight designs, but u cant be like i hate raid buffs because then ur just asking to remove numerous job identities

#

like oh right u dont want to do dps under a technical window or divination

#

soooooooo stupid of me to think that you wanted to do as much damage as possible in ur burst

rapid whale
#

it's the vpr players who forget to bank enough gauge for 2 reawakens in the 2mins

#

idk

#

you look anywhere you'll find a bad take, ffxiv community is huge and the vast majority is extremely bad at the game

valid solar
#

mb

zealous meteor
#

mb

rapid whale
#

casual msq players who think they have a right to speak on meta

proper dagger
#

the consensus ? stay off twitter and reddit communities

#

my FIRST mistake

valid solar
#

I mean you'll see plenty of people on discord saying the same thing

#

even on the balance

rapid whale
#

like

proper dagger
#

casual players when u ask them to play the job theyve been playing for years, in an average way

rapid whale
#

dawg

#

the number of "dancer mains" i have seen who dont have tech step unlocked because it's from a job quest

zealous meteor
#

WHAT

proper dagger
#

😵

#

terrifying

zealous meteor
#

surely you're joking

#

please

rapid whale
#

i wish i was

#

not in savage ofc

#

but i see that shit in roulettes

valid solar
wicked delta
torn mesa
wicked delta
valid solar
torn mesa
#

but I'd argue most people who say stuff like 2M window bad

#

are just parroting

rapid whale
wicked delta
loud nymph
#

also, it's definitely not a new or sudden thing

wicked delta
loud nymph
#

there's been griping about the 2m window for years

#

a lot of it

rapid whale
#

i mean there was griping about the buffs misalignment for years too which led to 2min meta

torn mesa
#

like if you ask them why it's find, a lot of them will just say all jobs play the same, and have little more to say beyond that, or what that even means

proper dagger
#

i guess its just odd to me, i feel like the 2 minute window is fine? it has great optimization so that buffs align with each other

torn mesa
#

earlier I said there were some valid criticisms

loud nymph
torn mesa
#

needing to align buffs is not such a case

#

anyone saying :"2m window is bad because we need to align buffs" is really just saying "I'm bad at the game"

proper dagger
#

i just dont know how savage would look if 2 min windows didnt exist honestly

rapid whale
#

but noble i didnt remember to bank gauge for 2s and now i only get a single reawaken

proper dagger
#

maybe im too newgen

rapid whale
#

surely this is faulty game design and not a skill issue

loud nymph
#

honestly it'll probably look a lot like it did before 2 min windows, haha

torn mesa
#

I think their approach of removing most buffs is way too nuclear

#

it seems to heavily promote individual play in what should be a team based game...

rapid whale
#

i think it's -all- party dmg buffs no

proper dagger
#

wont that like... kneecap a ton of jobs

vestal hollow
pallid kindle
rapid whale
#

they said all synergy actions gone no

torn mesa
pallid kindle
#

i believe BRD still had buffs but they were very short

proper dagger
#

i just dont know how u would tune ast without divination

vestal hollow
rapid whale
#

those are defensive buffs

torn mesa
#

but like

proper dagger
#

like i just cant see ast without divination idk

vestal hollow
torn mesa
#

there should be a degree of coordination required with your group

#

rather than play selfishly

proper dagger
#

i cant see dnc without techstep

wicked delta
vestal hollow
#

certain jobs will def keep their buffs but who knows.

rapid whale
#

i wouldnt mind if the coordination aspect gets tossed into the defensives

#

and everyone actually has to contribute to mit on savage etc

loud nymph
torn mesa
proper dagger
#

are the criticisms for raidbuffs coming from people who do savage? or ult content?

torn mesa
torn mesa
proper dagger
#

scary..

rapid whale
#

surely we will get a savage tier that does more consistent damage than any fight in the history of xiv with the new changes

#

surely thats what evolved whm is for

quick verge
rapid whale
#

surely..

quick verge
#

👍

pallid kindle
#

reborn mode exists

torn mesa
#

lol Bapple

#

we would need more competent healers on average first

#

unfortunately most of them don't want to play healer

#

the WHM changes certainly aren't reversing that trend

valid solar
rapid whale
#

SURELY WE WILL HAVE FIGHTS WHERE YOU UNIRONICALLY GCD HEAL MORE THAN GCD DMG BUT IT'S FINE BECAUSE YOU USE THE DMG NEUTRAL GCD HEAL BUFF THINGY..

proper dagger
#

well when whms identity is just green dps..

#

its a little hard to expect much

quick verge
torn mesa
dapper zealot
#

Reborn should not exist beyond EC, let fight design evolve

torn mesa
#

instead, they are trying to make healer accessible for everyone.

#

which isn't inherently a bad thing

#

but the way they're going about it just means most competent healers would rather switch to DPS

proper dagger
#

oh trust me. i know. pf has been more oversaturated with new whm mains than ever before

rapid whale
#

i think the irony is that by making healer more accessible to everyone, they are pushing actual healer players out

#

yea

quick verge
#

they've been trying to make healer accessible for the last 3 expacs

proper dagger
#

so i switched to phys ranged! yay me!

quick verge
#

4

#

5

rapid whale
#

healer to phys range pipeline

proper dagger
#

its ok guys u can have regen!! i dont mind

dapper zealot
#

67

torn mesa
#

Bapple, you weren't around the Asphodelos-Abyssos transition

proper dagger
torn mesa
#

ask anyone who PF'd that tier, there was a massive shortage of healers

proper dagger
#

me saying ok guys i dont wanna do the heavy lifting anymore my shield healers keep chadding me

torn mesa
#

why? all the "healers" in Asphodelos rerolled to SMN

#

the moment a tier actually asked you to heal

rapid whale
#

lmfao

proper dagger
#

looks at phoinix

#

god forbid you had a heal check

rapid whale
#

cant forget the less than 1 soil per minute sch's

#

energy drains go brrrr

proper dagger
#

scholars who open with 6 energy drains

#

😓

remote gate
#

you dont understand I need to parse

rapid whale
#

in reclears thats fine

valid solar
stray forge
#

ill drain ur energy

torn mesa
#

it's not even a matter of refusing to GCD heal cause they want to parse

rapid whale
torn mesa
#

it's just plain incompetence

#

like they're not pressing only damage GCDs, they're just not pressing anything

rapid whale
#

the delta between dog dps and goat dps is def smaller than dog healer to goat healer

stray forge
proper dagger
quick verge
#

phoinix arena just really made me feel like i was back in hell

stray forge
#

back in hell?

proper dagger
#

i kind of miss pandaemonium guys im ngl to u..

remote gate
rapid whale
#

i think se just kinda has a rough spot; if they make healing hard people dont wanna do it but if they make healing too easy it almost like, emphasizes the problem of healer players being dog

loud nymph
#

what, you don't like orange markers on an orange floor with an orange death wall???

rapid whale
#

you'd think they'd learn from their mistakes and then they made m3s

proper dagger
#

i will say... and ppl will jump on my back for it

loud nymph
#

and then they made zelenia ex

quick verge
torn mesa
#

you know what the funny part is Bapple

proper dagger
#

if healing is too punishing

#

its kind of a bad thing

#

bc then healers will get turbo flamed more than everyone else

torn mesa
#

Among new players, tank is the role people are most intimidated by if you will

#

When realistically, tank is probably the easiest role on average

quick verge
#

tank is chill as fuck in xiv

rapid whale
#

o shit they have a pvp tournament at fanfest?

tulip wraith
remote gate
#

just think how you can do better ea h pull and you will

valid solar
#

thanks

tulip wraith
#

free money....

dapper zealot
#

Yay

remote gate
#

MONEY

stray forge
#

Lmao

dapper zealot
#

Free beastbux

remote gate
#

BOOOO

#

BISCUIT YOU FUCK

storm frostBOT
#
Ban Issued for fortun4_

@exotic hawk has been banned by biskywisky for the following reason:

thanks for the scam

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV
dapper zealot
#

Wtf

remote gate
#

YOU STOLE MY FREE MONEY

rapid whale
#

MY MONEY

tulip wraith
#

mods keep stealing all the damn money.....

proper dagger
#

ya he was gonna make us all rich

loud nymph
#

nah no more mrbeast, we're all about mr prime now

quick verge
#

ive gotten like 10k from these scams

tulip wraith
stray forge
#

Send biscuit to the gallows

dapper zealot
#

Biscuit more like bisgeois

remote gate
#

God how am I gonna afford my m10s carry now

quick verge
#

who has a +16 key for me to brick

rapid whale
#

hop in the +67 key pookie

#

how high do those keys even go is it infinite

remote gate
#

speaking of which question about m10s for tanks

proper dagger
quick verge
#

infinite in theory

stray forge
#

Gl getting past like 18

remote gate
#

is it common that main tank takes the first tank buster for deep blue cuz hectors vid shows OT take it

rapid whale
#

@stray forge did u eat jollibee

proper dagger
#

i think its just communicated

#

by preference

rapid whale
proper dagger
#

some tanks have shorter invuln timers so they typically communicate whos doing what

rapid whale
#

i notice war likes to take it a lot since they have the free anti kb

remote gate
#

the pld I had last night was pretty damn good but he wanted me to take the DB tb cuz apparently pf does it??

proper dagger
#

warriors love to chad chaddington its true

torn mesa
stray forge
proper dagger
#

i wish i lived by a jollibee

#

fomo fomo fomo

rapid whale
#

i hear it's p fkn good

proper dagger
#

it is! i just no longer live in cali LOL

quick verge
#

@ gork where's the closest jollibee

proper dagger
#

so theres none nearby

torn mesa
stray forge
#

mfers will clear one dungeon and be like

image.png
proper dagger
#

@ gr0k can u buy me jollibee item code

rapid whale
#

o did u end up getting it

remote gate
torn mesa
#

I'm going in literally an hour lol

rapid whale
#

nice

proper dagger
#

they have rly good chicken

remote gate
#

better than kfc for comparison?

proper dagger
#

the spicy chicken is like injected into the meat and its so juicy..

stray forge
#

its fast food chicken

torn mesa
#

their chicken is a lot less salty than places like popeyes or church's

stray forge
#

wtf is churchs

torn mesa
#

which is a good or a bad thing depending on your taste

proper dagger
#

i think i like jollibees chicken more than kfc or popeyes

torn mesa
#

Church's Texas Chicken

quick verge
proper dagger
#

but i dont like their sides that much

rapid whale
quick verge
#

is something edible better than shit

#

hmmmmmmm

proper dagger
#

churchs mac and cheese is so yumm..

torn mesa
#

maybe a hot take

#

KFC chicken is not that bad

#

it's just not crisp ever

quick verge
#

cold take

stray forge
#

everyone thinks that

proper dagger
#

icy cold take

torn mesa
#

oops

#

typo

rapid whale
#

kfc used to be the goat

torn mesa
#

lol

proper dagger
#

freezer take

stray forge
#

NOT THAT BAD

proper dagger
#

fdckjldfv

quick verge
#

we should ban you for that typo

stray forge
#

NVM

#

THATS A HOT TAKE

quick verge
#

that's scorching hot

proper dagger
#

LOL

remote gate
#

when the inevitable kfc rerun event is on xiv will you begrudgingly eat it

proper dagger
#

noble got us together

torn mesa
#

like, popeyes is sometimes a little dry on the dark meat especially

rapid whale
#

church's biscuits are the goat of fast food

proper dagger
#

popeyes biscuits... the thought of it makes me need like a gallon of water

torn mesa
#

the few times I've had KFC, it usually had juice, just the skin is never crisp

jaunty pulsar
#

holy shit I love evercold from what I heard but I realize I'll max all jobs around november-ish, two months before 8.0

whole estuary
#

the Jollibee chicken has been crisp every day that I got it

torn mesa
#

so I'm not a fan of them actually

jaunty pulsar
#

that means I'll have to adapt shortly after to the new mode

torn mesa
#

but I know everyone in general loves them

rapid whale
proper dagger
#

all of the jobs i play getting drastically changed

#

😓

quick verge
#

every version of mch still gonna be bad

#

💔

jaunty pulsar
rapid whale
#

i wonder how ff logs is gonna detect whether u were playing reborn or evolved

stray forge
#

actually the last time i had kfc was probably over a decade ago now so ican't really say anything about it

remote gate
#

i just want reaper to be good but i know thats harder to do than making mch good

proper dagger
#

did u see one of the fflogs devs saying hes retiring

#

bc of the changes

quick verge
#

kihra is actually just gonna show up to your house and beat you with a metal pipe if you choose the lower dps

torn mesa
rapid whale
#

i think the thing with fried chicken is it's expensive enough that you're like, "might as well get the actually good stuff" instead of kfc

torn mesa
#

e.g., DRG PvP LB

torn mesa
quick verge
#

oh that sky high clip wasn't AI?

rapid whale
stray forge
#

fflogs devs are retiring because ppl who play this game are reaching retirement age SoukakuLaugh

rapid whale
#

yea biscuit they murdered your boy

torn mesa
#

I mean, if I go to like McDonald's

#

I'm spending like 15-17$

rapid whale
#

what if ur just fat noble..

stray forge
#

thats disgusting

torn mesa
#

if I go to Popeyes, 18-20$?

proper dagger
#

inflation has gotten so crazy

remote gate
#

was it said that sky high was put in as a place holder

jaunty pulsar
torn mesa
quick verge
rapid whale
#

i think its reasonable to do w/e tf you want

quick verge
#

so it's fine

rapid whale
#

have fun lol

torn mesa
#

the 30$ Jollibee's meal I'm getting today

stray forge
#

the last time I ate mcdonalds mcdoubles were $1

proper dagger
#

i think ur not even gonna see the changes for 9 months m inimum

torn mesa
#

is a normal fast food meal price for him when he was in post-secondary

remote gate
proper dagger
#

so play whatever u want

rapid whale
proper dagger
#

i miss the dollar menu

stray forge
#

this is going to be the like

proper dagger
#

we still talk about u 1.09 large drink

rapid whale
#

2 mcdouble 2 mc chicken for 5 bucks

stray forge
#

millenial version of ice cream was 5 cents

#

💀

torn mesa
remote gate
dapper zealot
torn mesa
#

let's get you to bed now

proper dagger
#

wow that is a good product!

#

product

torn mesa
#

the cheapest I recall a small burger at McDonald's was like 1.39

remote gate
torn mesa
#

and that was 15+ years ago

quick verge
#

its ok

#

some people arent built to eat real american food

proper dagger
#

well ok... it was 10 years ago so not too much..

stray forge
#

how much are they now

torn mesa
#

3.69?

rapid whale
#

@stray forge we are both old now

stray forge
remote gate
proper dagger
#

mcchickens r like 5 dollars now at my local location

stray forge
#

aint no way

proper dagger
#

im serious its like 5 dollars and some change

remote gate
proper dagger
#

oh... pleriod

#

we luv cholestrol

#

mmm i just luv the taste of lard in the morning

remote gate
#

yes please 🙏

rapid whale
#

pvp tournament starting

quick verge
#

i need water

remote gate
#

heart disease at 30 🤑

quick verge
#

i deadass felt half the water in my body evaporate reading this entire convo about food

rapid whale
#

lets sese how this actually plays at a high lvl

quick verge
#

@visual geyser what's the pvp meta rn

#

is it shieldslop

#

or heal reductionslop

#

or is it snapping someone's neck high octane gameplay

stray forge
#

give bards mortal strike

#

#aimedshot

wicked delta
#

just did some actual terrorist movement but it saved the pull

rapid whale
#

this kinda looks ass

sick reef
#

is there a pvp tournament or sum going on in fanfest rn

thin fox
#

yea

#

crystaline conflict championship or some bs

#

idk pvp is boring as fuck to watch lowkey ICANT

rapid whale
#

im sure i would be more interested if i actually played this game mode

sick reef
#

highkey who watches pvp just show up good stuff. whats the schedule for it lookin like today? any good stuff?

rapid whale
#

qna later

sick reef
#

i see ty goat

whole estuary
#

pve is also boring to watch

#

all competitive sports are also boring to watch

stray forge
#

except underwater basket weaving

worldly grotto
#

The only sports that are fun to watch are death sports

wicked delta
#

im trolling so badddddd

rapid whale
#

gg

thin fox
#

world race is fun to watch

#

pvp is not fun to watch

#

simple as

wicked delta
stray forge
valid solar
#

tobi is fun to watch

#

is what I would say if he was streaming

wicked delta
#

im in vc with friend

#

cant stream

valid solar
#

gg

thin fox
#

keep watching this trailer man

wicked delta
tulip wraith
#

new mod ui woah....

image.png
#

no more drop down

inner shadow
#

Evolved mode looks fantastic' cant wait

#

It seems it's battle focused, anyone know if crafting changes also occur?

pallid kindle
#

nothing about crafters was said

#

and unless you want each crafter to have their own rotation idk what you'd want

dull drum
#

ok surely

#

8.0 will save mch with mch evolved

wicked delta
#

im on slaughtershed prog

proper dagger
#

im progging mortal roles rn any tips?

wicked delta
#

be specific

#

what do u need tips with

#

like timing or just the mech in general

loud nymph
#

look at the boss and take the bait when it's your turn?

#

it's not really a mech people need to spend any brainpower looking at

jaunty pulsar
#

did they say anything on submarines so far for 8.0?

dull drum
#

nope

loud nymph
#

not that I saw

jaunty pulsar
#

<.< ty

dull drum
#

i dont think they’ll ever talk about that tbh it’ll probably just be stashed away in the patch notes after a brief mention

thin fox
#

after sleeping on it I'm more firm on my opinion that the reborn/evolved split is a little incoherent to me and they should just not have done reborn

dull drum
#

i mean they need something to fall back on though if some evolved jobs arent liked until they can fix it is my opinion

#

its obvious they’ll phase it out though eventually

thin fox
#

Kind of a silly mindset

#

Why would they not do that for every other rework they've ever done

loud nymph
#

I think it comes down to square enix being very conservative so even when they are doing massive reworks they want to do so in what they see as a "safe" way

thin fox
#

I would rather any time that went into retaining Reborn just be put into Evolved

dull drum
#

plus its not like its 1-3 jobs, its like 20+ at once

thin fox
#

But no now we have to deal with having two versions of every job they have to maintain for at least one expansion if not more(?)

#

Two sets of jobs which not only need balance within their own set (reborn jobs being balanced against other reborn jobs) but also needing balance between sets (they say they want to keep evolved not having too extreme of an advantage over reborn)

dull drum
#

i mean clearly they dont want to keep it look at whm lmao

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1 dollar vs 2 dollar moment

thin fox
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I mean, yeah, which just makes having the split all the more incoherent

dull drum
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again its just to make the transition easier thats really about it

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like from a schedule perspective when ever cold drops with this, the raid tier is in like a week or two isnt it

thin fox
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at the cost of doubling the already strenuous task of maintaining the jobs

zealous meteor
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i think reborn is purely to stop people from unsubbing en masse before giving the new system a chance

dull drum
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exactly its a safety net

thin fox
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because like again

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that's what they are doing

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they are doubling the effort required to maintain the jobs

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arguably more than 2x

dull drum
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idk why effort is an argument when they only put one man to work on the entire evolved rework

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clearly they dont want to put more resources into it regardless

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prime is gonna take the fall if it went bad if i was him id do double effort so i dont get hung from a pole

thin fox
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i would be very surprised if tamaki was also single handedly responsible for balancing what is functionally 44 jobs

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a task that not only requires knowledge of said 44 jobs but also how they interact with pve content (the basis for any balancing)

dull drum
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def gonna be a balancing nightmare

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the only solace is evercolds first tier is prob lhw level

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to compensate

thin fox
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with 4 healers functioning as a prange buddy that tier is gonna be 4x o1s

dull drum
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it is what it is

dull drum
thin fox
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it also just screams a lack of faith in the transition which makes me nervous because if they dont have faith in it then kinda why should i

dull drum
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wish they had more peeps on this so i wouldnt be as cautious

dull drum
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clearly they’re not confident in it

thin fox
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they should let me in the media tour lowkenuinely

dull drum
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mch evolved cant be worse than reborn

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can only go up

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my only grace

thin fox
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I would very much like someone to ask them about their mindset behind having a split between Reborn and Evolved. Are they just seeing Reborn as a fallback? Is the plan to keep Reborn going forever or to have it be phased out once the quirks of Evolved are addressed? What are their plans to handle the massively increased burden that comes from balance?

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I wouldn't even really mind if they just said outright that they are not super concerned with the balance of Evolved jobs and want to shift towards flexibility during periods of imbalance especially with the change to ILVL reflecting but they seem to be taking the approach of maintaining balance still

vestal hollow
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but 9 months is a lot of time we just need to wait and see

clear plume
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It’s really just so people don’t have to relearn their entire rotation before doing msq and if they don’t like it they have time to find a new main

thin fox
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Like I can sit here and say "obviously Reborn will be phased out at some point" but it'd still be comforting to hear the developer say that this is something they're keeping in the mean time to help with the transition

thin fox
clear plume
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Because reworking a job because it’s unpopular is very different than reworking every job and deleting half its buttons to fit it into a new identity

thin fox
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Why does monk need a "here's the version from last expansion" version now and not the last 8 times it received reworks that made it unrecognisably different to the point of even having changing job gauge