yeah I don't like the MT OT thing, that feels like something other mmos would do
#endgame-lounge
dapper zealot
dapper zealot
They should have made drk able to flex both
tulip wraith
but the 3 being 3 of the 4 already existing tanks is wild
i think all should be flex somehow
i thought thats how it was gonna be before they went into it
dapper zealot
I'm sure we'll see more job showcases in the next fanfests
tulip wraith
like tank stance but you press it to swap what buff you want, MT or OT idfk
dapper zealot
also glad I held off learning sch until 8.0
tulip wraith
I'm sure we'll see more job showcases in the next fanfests
july too far away....
dapper zealot
learning ev sch is going to be so much easier
tulip wraith
like tank stance but you press it to swap what buff you want, MT or OT idfk
no tank stance period is still mind boggling to me
but we shall see
robust shoal
I want to see an OT's kit because rn it seems like "five tanks but two of them have counterattack skills"
dapper zealot
And can we come up with an acronym or something for reborn and evolved
it's getting tiring typing it out
robust shoal
OT supposedly have more support but PLD has wings+veil and cover
tulip wraith
And can we come up with an acronym or something for reborn and evolved
rbr evo
dapper zealot
I want rpr
we have rpr at home
rpr at home:
tulip wraith
ooh completely forgot about new raid difficulty too
more midcore content, wonderful
dapper zealot
9.0 will bridge savage and ult
jade nimbus
All of the stuff in 8.0 seems very cool
The real gripe will be how they implement it
Quick question btw, were aoe rotations missing in evolved? Or they just focused on single target?
shadow pilot
They probs just tease us what evolved will be look like
So they focus on ST after all
proper cave
Some skills had baked in aoe but I didn't see an obvious combo
shadow pilot
Most new abilities now just bake AoE in them and call it a day
jade nimbus
Ye, cause I was thinking of how Viper aoe combo is the same as single target combo button whise
proper cave
That said it is very early. The UI was practically nonexistent. Things probably will change.
jade nimbus
Gotcha, yeye
mortal flower
OT supposedly have more support but PLD has wings+veil and cover
I mean, Paladin does not have Reprisal
My assumptipn is stuff like... Reprisal maybe others will be baked into an OT kit via debuffs off combo actions or something
dusk sky
it did on the fewer input preview, no?
mortal flower
Shake it off and such having a reprisal baked in
rapid whale
if ot has more support than pld
they are basically gonna be a second shield healer lmao
dusk sky
oh, missed this on my first watch,
he casted sheltron on Tamaki but it only applied the buffs that proc the counterattack 
mortal flower
they are basically gonna be a second shield healer lmao
Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of incoming damage with the WHM changes too
rapid whale
i would kinda be down for an expansion where defensives and healing etc being a group responsibility
stuff like mantra actually mattering
whole estuary
EVERYONE MITS
rapid whale
ya
mortal flower
i would kinda be down for an expansion where defensives and healing etc being a ...
I mean
tulip wraith
2min mitt meta
mortal flower
Mages Regens HP
Wanderers Barriers
tulip wraith
prepare for giga raidwides
dusk sky
well like, SMN and PCT have heals built on their 2mins
mortal flower
There's absolutely more group responsibilities in mit it seems
rapid whale
yes now imagine a world where it actually mattered
rapid whale
that would be cool imho
rapid whale
like if there was enough dmg output by the fights that you actually felt the smn/pct heals
i have a hard time seeing that world but it would be cool
proper cave
well like, SMN and PCT have heals built on their 2mins
I keep forgetting prism has a baked in heal lol
dapper zealot
drg with a 90% mit
rapid whale
not a big achievement, but I finally finished my spellbook
congrats
brisk scarab
ty!
Ive been wanting the morbol mount, but with how low BLU mage content is played right now, it might be a while lol
dapper zealot
proper cave
Sussy Todd or something I don't know
shy obsidian
bro i don't think this outfit is suited for the cold
should i go through with it...
dapper zealot
dapper zealot
dusk sky
bro i don't think this outfit is suited for the cold
ya got fur you're fine
wet stump
i don’t care what they do i’m not casting gcd heals
valid solar
what if they make casting gcd heals a dps gain
hexed junco
Ive been wanting the morbol mount, but with how low BLU mage content is played r...
There's been plenty groups for that lately in partyfinder (at least eu/light) ...morbol is my dream as well but erm... Idk if I'll ever be good enough and i still miss res spell from carnivale #30
marble grove
man im gonna miss my cast times
It'll take time to adjust, that's for sure
dapper zealot
loud swift
I know im late to the discussion but Im so hyped for the 8.0 changes
Only thing im a little offput is white mage just having glare 3 into high glare be the same button while doing the same thing..?
i mean yeah high glare seems to do more damage but
i wouldve thought theyd make it a dual cast type thing where glare 3 is a cast and high glare is instant
but they did say its still in the work and seeing holy not using any mp seems weird
loud swift
got my umbrella and new drip!
thats sick
loud swift
seems to be female
random needle
but they did say its still in the work and seeing holy not using any mp seems we...
Yeahhhhh, I'm hoping that they change quite a bit of the healer stuff, it currently seemed sorta 
to me
loud swift
Yeahhhhh, I'm hoping that they change quite a bit of the healer stuff, it curren...
I mean the fact dragoon and paladin dont have their aoe combo seems to confirm that they arent done polishing the details
But the direction they are going is really great
valid solar
woah lets not get too ahead of ourselves
loud swift
too hot to be out in the wild... need to be contained in my house
I wonder if the new difficulty of norm raids will be put into roulettes
loud swift
that is true, i worry it'll be content that most people wont do because of lack of rewards, but surely they thought of this
valid solar
I suspect extreme raid will give the equivalent to limited tome gear
loud swift
most people dont even do savages, what do they get from doing this extreme raids
valid solar
for example, currently, crafted is 770, tome is 780, savage is 790
I expect an extreme raid would give 780
loud swift
i also theorize it'll be a way to get glam pieces
some of the savage gear looks great but some people cant really get some of the pieces cuz its pretty hard content
having an extreme raid give the looks without the stats might be something cool
amber fable
I assume the difficulty only governs ilvl
You clearing harder content will make you eligible to upgarde gear to higher ilvl
Otherwise everything remains same
With the battle pass ui
devout wraith
I need more info on the gearing system. Are we keeping crit dh det substats stuff?
amber fable
And all those bars you need to fill
We dunno
I want them to open the gear substat slots is all
Allow players to choose what substat they want
devout wraith
Like how would gear ilvl sync work. Would fending maiming striking aiming etc sets still exist?
Would ilvl sync be slot based? Or job based?
amber fable
Gear will likely be universal now...needing you to fill your weekly activity bar to upgrade its ilvl
Its not confirmed or anything
Just guessing based on whats said
Hence the gear substat modification
Would basically mean you no longer go to shop to buy gear
Instead you upgrade it with that ui
They showcased
devout wraith
How about gear appearance? No more varieties orrrr just less?
amber fable
Gear will exist in shops for glams still
But your numbers on gear will be seperate
Again..i am presuming a lot here
jade nimbus
There is a tab for savage gear
devout wraith
What the heck is this character wearing lmaoo
jade nimbus
What the heck is this character wearing lmaoo
Eden top
devout wraith
the gear, not the glam
Sword and shield weapons, courtly healing head, fat cat chest? Lmaoo
devout wraith
I know but just weird choices lol
Unless this is completely fake or it could be how gear ilvl sync work, since this char is on a reaper but having healer and pld gear..?
amber fable
Wait for eu fanfest for more deets
marble grove
Gear will remain the same lol
You'll still need to level your other jobs and optimise their gear
The iLvl thing is mainly to allow you to do content with other jobs if you want to and don't have time to optimise them properly
Like... How would they literally show the new gear of the expansion moments later if Gear turned out to be universal 
And they explained this when they talked about that UI
Cmon lads.
amber fable
Cuz gear is arbitrarily restricted
Theres no hard game logic issue or something where you cant use fending on healer
Gear is just a stat file with a model attached
marble grove
Gear will remain the same
amber fable
Remove model, Remove role restrictions and it becomes universal
amber fable
Yeah but the ui was for what 8.0 will have
marble grove
sigh we're running in circles
amber fable
We ultimately dunno the whole thing so we all are assuming what it can be
marble grove
Gear will remain the same way, that much should be somewhat a given
amber fable
I will wait for more updates
marble grove
The iLvl sync option was a nice change in case your party needs to fill other roles and you're not at that iLvl with a healer for example
But the rest will stay the same really
amber fable
It might not change but I feel it will
wicked delta
Seeing how they said you wont have to farm for all roles
Thats just if you don’t care for melds
loud swift
the only stuff that was said was that you still need to put materia on the secondary jobs to fully maximize its potential. so i dont think its a you only need to gear one job only, just if you wanna run any new content you dont need to gear the heck out of other jobs and get a bunch of catchup gear. just get artifact
amber fable
Gearing is something they can tweak out
wicked delta
You’d still need to obtain the actual gear if you want to maximize shit
amber fable
Hmm
amber fable
790 sync is better than 770 penta
wicked delta
It would be, yeah
amber fable
Might be fine depending on fights
marble grove
the only stuff that was said was that you still need to put materia on the secon...
They literally stated you'd have to level up the other jobs, that didn't change
And if you want to optimise them you'd need to it as well
amber fable
Also alt job will sync to your max ilvl right? Minus melds
So how sub stat will work...
marble grove
That's literally what the sync will do
Your max iLvl job can be synced to side jobs
But that's just the iLvL
amber fable
Crit det level 10 set and now its equal to 790 crit det
marble grove
Universal gear just sounds good on paper
devout wraith
If the substats carry over when syncing, would it be overall better to instead make a mixed build with the ideal stats for true bis? Like fending head, striking chest, aiming pants, etc... then let it all sync lol
amber fable
If it works off base gear substat
Its ironically better
Dont have to farm shit and just use lower level bis
You wont get melds
amber fable
I was hoping they would change the gearing too
loud swift
They literally stated you'd have to level up the other jobs, that didn't change
yeah i know i never said anything about leveling
loud swift
just grab ur artifact and your good
marble grove
yeah i know i never said anything about leveling
Yeah but people seem to be confused about the Gear and Level stuff
wicked delta
Yeah
marble grove
I imagine the Sync will only be possible in jobs around the same LvL anyway
wicked delta
They should definitely explain more
marble grove
Imagine Syncing a LvL 10 job to a LvL 110
devout wraith
Imagine Syncing a LvL 10 job to a LvL 110
I'm pretty sure that's how that works
amber fable
Arr pink gears have 3 substats
wicked delta
Im ready for raid guys 
i dont have half of my skills on hotbar yet
marble grove
Obviously
devout wraith
Oh no yeah just ilvl sync not levels lmaooo
amber fable
I can see arr gears being bis with those aetherial gears
wicked delta
LVL 5 tank tanking Ultimate
Taking little timmy into DSR right now (he only picked up warrior 5 seconds ago and only has his 1-2 combo rn)
amber fable
Det ten dh on one gear
marble grove
Taking little timmy into DSR right now (he only picked up warrior 5 seconds ago ...
That'd genuinely be hilarious tho
wicked delta
I know its literally impossible but its funny to think about
Taking some idiot who has never played the job before into high end bc they have the ilvl for it now
C41 this mf who doesn’t know what half his buttons mean NOW 
marble grove
The iLvl sync does sound nice cause by then your main job is the only one you need to optimise and the others can be synced and used in case you need to or want to have fun
devout wraith
It would remove ilvl requirement for alt jobs tho so its definitely a lighter load, you don't have to grind as much.
The question is, would gearing alts be now completely useless will there be a tradeoff when using a synced gear.
marble grove
Which is probably what Avx was saying but I read too much into it xD
marble grove
It would remove ilvl requirement for alt jobs tho so its definitely a lighter lo...
It's down to if you want to optimise ALTs really
wicked delta
It would remove ilvl requirement for alt jobs tho so its definitely a lighter lo...
Melds can make a huge difference
If you care enough
marble grove
Which is what YoshiP said
amber fable
Melds does make a solid difference
wicked delta
So theres still incentive to grind for alt gear
marble grove
Ye
wicked delta
But its pretty nice to be able to flex to another job on the fly if its necessary
Not “sorry cant join I dont have gear for X”
marble grove
Truly
loud swift
I wanna practice that new drg kit.. it looks fun
pvp lb goes crazy
wonder what tech can be done with that
marble grove
The combat changes looked awesome
amber fable
Sinister and dexter...are we doing organic chem again
marble grove
But I'm curious about the final version
devout wraith
Melds can make a huge difference
If its only sps/sks that's true but I feel that's more necessary for the current job design we have now where strict 2min bursts are important...
But we're moving away from that
loud swift
i also wonder if it'll trivialize past duties
marble grove
If its only sps/sks that's true but I feel that's more necessary for the current...
They're likely building the fight content around the changes anyway
What I fear tho...
They about to go fucking crazy with Extremes aren't they
loud swift
how is UWU going to fare with evolved jobs compared reborn jobs
marble grove
They have the budget now
willow jetty
who won the cosplay contest last night
marble grove
amber fable
I feel evolved will get op af on old stuff
loud swift
fight design were made with 2mins in mind
amber fable
Core rotation by 50
devout wraith
Will they add new melds? Rework materia system so that its much more impactful? Harder or more worth it to acquire etc?
amber fable
And those new stuff like counter attack and shit
loud swift
i LOVE counter its such a cool idea
amber fable
Mit maxing
amber fable
New mits are also much lower duration
marble grove
Will they add new melds? Rework materia system so that its much more impactful? ...
Wait for Berlin kek
amber fable
More strategic usages
wicked delta
If its only sps/sks that's true but I feel that's more necessary for the current...
We’ll have to see what they cook up for new fight design I suppose, I agree w/ you
loud swift
i think the gapclose to use cover on an ally as paladin is so awesome
loud swift
lmao
amber fable
Time to become new balan mentor
loud swift
the balance has a lot of work to do
wicked delta
@robust shoal good luck balance mentor
sullen minnow
Balance found in shambles after evolved version was shown
devout wraith
What does balance feel about all this
wicked delta
White mage players are mostly like ??????? tho
loud swift
War pepes were dooming cuz war is ot bitch now
war being ot is so funny
visual geyser
What does balance feel about all this
Who cares
dapper zealot
White mage players are mostly like ??????? tho
cure 1 now has a 15% chance to proc a free Stone :)
sullen minnow
Too angry to die became too angry to main tank
loud swift
THE GOOD THING ABOUT WHITE MAGE EVOLVED
wicked delta
cure 1 now has a 15% chance to proc a free Stone :)
Someone is being hunted for sport
loud swift
NO CURE 1 & 2
wicked delta
THE GOOD THING ABOUT WHITE MAGE EVOLVED
Is that it’ll make people play AST instead
amber fable
Cure only
sullen minnow
CURE 1 IS KILL
dapper zealot
visual geyser
I like how they consolidated Holy Spirit and clemency
worldly grotto
Is that it’ll make people play AST instead
Haste cards real
loud swift
If they remove esteem from dark knight I will riot
worldly grotto
Honestly I’m sure the Balance is fine
wicked delta
Yeah they’ll be aight
amber fable
Its only 4 jobs
dapper zealot
Tomes dead
2 min meta dead
BLU dead
sullen minnow
I love how everyone rejoiced when they basically said 2 minute meta is dead
amber fable
For now
sullen minnow
Like yeah we really wanted that thanks
sullen minnow
MR PRIME
worldly grotto
PS4 support is the real thing being killed
sullen minnow
I knew that guy was god when I saw he did picto
loud swift
8.3 no more ps4
sullen minnow
And he SHOWED TF UP
worldly grotto
Which is great news
devout wraith
If they remove esteem from dark knight I will riot
They will not I'm pretty sure. its a major part of the job lore.
loud swift
Monkey paw curls. You remove ps4 but you gain switch 2
sullen minnow
Math boss (ultimate) but you fighting mr prime himself
dapper zealot
I knew that guy was god when I saw he did picto
he made DD but pvp kit and primes absolved him
sullen minnow
Mr prime has not let us down so far 🙏
wicked delta
I trust in Mr Prime
dapper zealot
if you survived light rampant, you can survive this
loud swift
What will they do for summoner
They got rid of the dots from healers to give it to summoner, surely
dapper zealot
smn was the real evo test
What were the technical reasons why a dot job wouldn't work?
wicked delta
Summoner evolved
loud swift
I do like pvp summoner a ton
amber fable
It will become like pvp
loud swift
Being able to choose whether to summon phoenix or demi bahamut is cool as hell
amber fable
I dont remember pvp smn
dapper zealot
more importantly would would the difference even be for re/evo pct and vpr??
They're already evo
amber fable
Rpr wont be guage hungry
loud swift
I dont remember pvp smn
Similar to pve but you dont get aspected ruin when you summon something
amber fable
I guess
loud swift
Its just you get to ruin. Ruin 4 when you do necrotize
devout wraith
pvp smn is uhh... Ifrit dash into burst ogcd. Titan does stun? Big bahamut aoe
wicked delta
MCH sniper would cool as fuck lol
loud swift
MCH SNIPER
wicked delta
Id forgive his crimes against whm if this happened
devout wraith
Whats wrong with whm?
wicked delta
From boring job to somehow even more boring
amber fable
Whm is..samey
Less button is all
They deleted cure 1 Atleast
And consolidated shit
wicked delta
Its gonna function somewhat similarly to now I just think thats Bad
wicked delta
I wanted some sauce for next expansion
loud swift
Cure 1 gets upgraded to cure 2 so on so forth
amber fable
Freecure I should say
loud swift
an upgrade scheme that makes sense
devout wraith
Based on what I've seen, glare is instant. Gcd heal gives a stacking gauge up to 3 that powers up holy sanct.
The lilies still regenerate overtime and can be activated when using plenary? To turn your gcd heal into afflatus
No blood lily? Does afflatus contribute to holy sanct?
loud swift
rather than having cure 1 2 and 3 be all separate buttons that have different use cases
loud swift
Based on what I've seen, glare is instant. Gcd heal gives a stacking gauge up to...
I think any gcd healing contributes to holy sanct
dapper zealot
I'm surprised they didn't show off blm
worldly grotto
I'm surprised they didn't show off blm
They must be cooking with it /copium
dapper zealot
honestly both drg and brd look great so Im optimistic for the other dps
wicked delta
Based on what I've seen, glare is instant. Gcd heal gives a stacking gauge up to...
Its literally just glare being instant that I dislike
Everything else I can live with
Genuinely
dapper zealot
was holy on the hotbar?
wicked delta
Also give me misery back
loud swift
Yes
wicked delta
dapper zealot
imagine weaving holy lmao
loud swift
It didnt show any mana. So it might be a "double action" skill like holy authority is for paladin
loud swift
Holy authority for paladin doesnt show any mana on the icon while its both clemency and holy spirit
amber fable
Didnt see aoes as much
devout wraith
I'm actually kinda excited what they're cooking on for boss fights now that they made glare instant lmaooo
dapper zealot
they'll probably show off aoes in next showcases
honestly, this could change how dungeons are made too
loud swift
Aoes probably will just be a single button and be that
kind elm
I'm actually kinda excited what they're cooking on for boss fights now that they...
well reborn mode is staying in the game and they made a big show of all content still being clearable with reborn
so theres honestly a nonzero chance fight design stays pretty similar
amber fable
2min is gone
So they arent restricted to that cycle
Even in reborn
I assume its the kit
devout wraith
Like are they gonna make some bosses constantly walking around or something? Lmaoo
dapper zealot
I wonder how watashia is holding up kek
devout wraith
Or some kinda field event where the boss wants to walk from one point to another and you cant stop it so you just fight it while its moving
Return of steps of faith trial? xD
worldly grotto
Holy shit they’re putting Elden Ring walking mausoleums in the game
dapper zealot
I'm excited to see what they do for dnc
loud swift
I wonder if like 2 shields 2 pure healers, they'll make the prangers 2 support orientated 2 dps orientated
devout wraith
Did bard showcase show any form of party dps buff still?
devout wraith
Utility songs afaik? Shield song, movespeed song, regen song
loud swift
Yeah so very minor mit buffs
Wonder if dnc will still damage buff their dance partner
dapper zealot
brd and whm get expediant now :)
rotund summit
Did bard showcase show any form of party dps buff still?
its speculated that the radiant finale song is still a group buff, but the footage didnt show anything to be sure of this
so BRD would have a party buff every 60s now, but it seems counter to their goals so idk
devout wraith
its speculated that the radiant finale song is still a group buff, but the foota...
It was a short buff wasn't it?
rotund summit
yea its a shorter one, 10s buff (unknown what it does) and access to Radiant Encore
amber fable
Combat will be short burst with sustained dps
So instead of big spikes..more gradual crests
loud swift
even if it was a damage buff, no jobs rotation is going to be at the same speed so i doubt it'll be the same buff window meta
rotund summit
even if it was a damage buff, no jobs rotation is going to be at the same speed ...
yea more like ShB or earlier kinda
but fewer total group buffs so you wouldnt have the giant spreadsheets like back then
amber fable
Will rdps finally die
rotund summit
... or they could make buffs not stack multiplicatively, which would help a lot as well
amber fable
It only came due to dnc anyway
dapper zealot
wait did brd look like it was still proc based?
devout wraith
Yoship did two songs at the same time but i think that's not idea because you overwrite the previous buttons? Lol
zealous meteor
rng as in random or rng as in ranger
dapper zealot
don't have to constantly keep them up anymore, like no reason to upkeep mit/regen
rotund summit
you're on somewhat of a 1m cycle (song cooldown charges) but since the songs are only like 10-12s in duration you have more freedom of when you actually use them
devout wraith
You have 60s free form rotation and that ends into a 10s party buff which I bet could be an opportunity for the rest of the party to dump their big damage buttons into.
rotund summit
i'm not smart enough to map out DRG from what we saw in terms of timings
but id suspect every job comes down to a X-second reset where you can shuffle the order and timings of your charges within the window
loud swift
Id have to look into how long the drg buffs are for. but you can definitely hold resources as drg (the jumps)
rotund summit
jumps are 3 charges, 20s recast
loud swift
your "lb" on drg comes from doing your 3 jumps
rotund summit
oh so drg is also 1m
amber fable
From positional wasn it
loud swift
No thats for a different button
amber fable
Wyrmwind I think
loud swift
Wait
devout wraith
Bye bye 2min rotations, hello 1 minute rotations lmaooo
rotund summit
Bye bye 2min rotations, hello 1 minute rotations lmaooo
i think its a little bit more flexible? maybe you can sit on your "LB" skill for 20s and push it forward into a phase or a different part of the fight
loud swift
You can also hold stardiver for as long as you want. Blood of the dragon stacks dont disappear
rotund summit
the charges forming a loop i think is kinda smart, it doesnt punish as heavy for strict downtime, every job so far benefits from PCT-type downtime
mortal flower
Bye bye 2min rotations, hello 1 minute rotations lmaooo
I mean E.PLD is on a 40/80
amber fable
40 is for imperator
loud swift
Yup ok the "lb" (sky high) can be held for as long as needed. Star diver gives a 4 combo rotation that is on a timer. So im pretty sure you can hold sky high and star diver if you hold your resources correctly. But IDK if raid buffs are going to be prevalent at all
amber fable
More staggered around burst
somber forge
Yup ok the "lb" (sky high) can be held for as long as needed. Star diver gives a...
raid buffs are removed
amber fable
Brd radiant encore had a buff
mortal flower
Yup ok the "lb" (sky high) can be held for as long as needed. Star diver gives a...
It seems more focused on defence/personal buffs.
amber fable
But we dunno if its damage or something else
loud swift
Could just be crit. Could be a nothing burger. Dont know yet
amber fable
They did removed em but dont mean jobs will lose all buffs
somber forge
But we dunno if its damage or something else
BRD songs are now movement speed, group regen, and shields. Don't think they're doing any group-wide buffs - only single target.
mortal flower
Which honestly, if fight design accomodates around [no 60/120 windows] or [more incoming damage] could be sick
loud swift
Radiant encore's buff isnt known yet
mortal flower
Its after 3 songs
Inb4 Gives the effects of all 3 songs at once
dapper zealot
Bye bye 2min rotations, hello 1 minute rotations lmaooo
Basically yeah, even if you don't need to line up your skills with buffs anymore, it's just objectively better to use it on cd so you get more uses. So you're gonna have to 1 min it
but other jobs could be on different timers
so they're not all just 1 min
amber fable
I am sure phasing and holding will be a thing
But seems everyone is getting passive guage regen
So less thinking for that
somber forge
Basically yeah, even if you don't need to line up your skills with buffs anymore...
As long as you use it before the next charge comes up you have flexibility. Like DRG can use Stardiver/Sky high immediately, or hold it for 30 seconds and it doesn't impact anything.
loud swift
They removed my dot from drg and im sad
amber fable
Good they deleted all dots
somber forge
not sure why they have such an aversion to dots
dapper zealot
It's going to be so confusing running duty, seeing the drg or sam not applying their dot and thinking "look at this idiot"
then remembering evo kits don't have dots
zealous meteor
It's going to be so confusing running duty, seeing the drg or sam not applying t...
mb
amber fable
I assume most of things will carry acroas both modes
dapper zealot
actually, I'm curious if there's a way to know which kit a party member is using
mortal flower
well you see, after the FRU incident,
After the TEA dot kill they learned their lesson
amber fable
So dot will be gone on reborn too...i might be wrong
mortal flower
actually, I'm curious if there's a way to know which kit a party member is using
I'd assume they'd change the job icon to have a swooshy or something on it
amber fable
But they cant have too drastic variation between kits
loud swift
Good they deleted all dots
No cuz bard has dot
amber fable
Bard dot is like few secs on evolve
dapper zealot
So dot will be gone on reborn too...i might be wrong
They only mentioned raid buffs so far
devout wraith
30s upkeep for drg is kinda crazy. This new mode isnt ez mode after all. Its intuitive but if you're wanting to optimize your damage, this is kind of a lot of uptime demands lol
loud swift
30s upkeep for drg is kinda crazy. This new mode isnt ez mode after all. Its int...
They did say it wasnt gonna be ez mode. Just a different way to play
loud swift
Also yeah dragoon before had to constantly keep uptime like this. its nothing new
mortal flower
I could be wrong there
It was for like a few seconds. I almost wanna say it was spent by the song/gcd after
dapper zealot
3 positionals is going to be wild for everyone who didn't already experience it
mortal flower
Also yeah dragoon before had to constantly keep uptime like this. its nothing ne...
Only real gamers remember losing life of the dragon
😏
amber fable
Its left right and back now
loud swift
3 positionals is going to be wild for everyone who didn't already experience it
I mean vengeful jump does alleviate the positional requirement but still
More thinking
amber fable
So cant he just at any flank
devout wraith
3 positionals is going to be wild for everyone who didn't already experience it
Was it really 3 positionals? Afaik only left and right and no rear? The heavensward button is for your big melee combo after 3 jumps
mortal flower
Gamepad winning
dapper zealot
oh was there no rear?
mortal flower
^
devout wraith
Does chaotic thrust not give gauge?
mortal flower
Gauge is over time for all jobs rn
It's equalizing the downtime play field rn
So you're not boned if you need enemy interaction for gauge
All E jobs will have the over time stocking and building
devout wraith
Cuz the left gives sinister, the right gives dexter
loud swift
Left is sinister right is dexter. Getting both allows you to cast the green circled button which is a rear attack
Casting 3 vengeful jumps allows you to get the heavensward gauge filled
mortal flower
Something about potency buffs/buffs for hitting left and right
mortal flower
Left right back wait for refresh with normal combo
amber fable
Iirc
devout wraith
Ohhh okay my mistake, the rear is the proc
mortal flower
But yeah
loud swift
It seems bottom button is filler
mortal flower
E. Jobs are here to like equalize downtime and give the jobs their niches back
devout wraith
3 positionals is nuts
amber fable
They are using old icons
mortal flower
Alongside cool new [defesive?] oriented buffs
mortal flower
Cuz alpha
Honestly parts of it is making me go "damn CC really was a test for E jobs weren't they?"
devout wraith
I want them to keep all this. This looks fun af
mortal flower
🤣
loud swift
Fillin up my dexter gauge like im in the laboratory
dapper zealot
definitely new names, like whm has high cure now
loud swift
ALSO apparently there will be better feedback whether or not youre in the correct position to hit a positional
So thats good to look out for
dapper zealot
I have that plugin that turns the numbers green, but even that's still hard af to see when you're juggling other things
mortal flower
Honestly with WHM changes I'm super hopeful that we'll have properly dangerous fights [not just savage]
More healing. More mit. More defence.
amber fable
Thats called advanced raids
mortal flower
Glad they realized the jump to savage is tad bit big
'A bit'?
amber fable
A bit
loud swift
Ik my selfish ass is gonna wait to use sky high during mega raid wides and mitigate 90% of damage
mortal flower
P8S -> P9S made me crash out
The only other thing I cleared beyond 8S [in the above EX tier] was Cod Chaotic
dapper zealot
With how much better DT combat is, it seems reasonable to say 8.0 will be another bump up
devout wraith
Ik my selfish ass is gonna wait to use sky high during mega raid wides and mitig...
Its optimal!
dapper zealot
Also I hope this rework will make the new dungeons actually good
amber fable
Well they got their engagement
devout wraith
Some kinda voting system? Lol
amber fable
I will give em that
loud swift
Some kinda voting system? Lol
I hope not
amber fable
Let us troll routes
mortal flower
Ik my selfish ass is gonna wait to use sky high during mega raid wides and mitig...
Shirk the dragoon on TB -> Skyhigh
amber fable
Floor tank vs real tanks
mortal flower
loud swift
Will you play beta reborn floor tank dragoon or the chad evolved actual tank dragoon
dapper zealot
Curious about ally raid routes
did I miss that? AR has paths like variant?
devout wraith
Shirk the dragoon on TB -> Skyhigh
Actually what if lmao. Tanks out of mits, drg sky high available. Galaxy brain play
loud swift
Taking tank towers as a dragoon with sky high
Sky high comes around every 1min
3 vengeful jumps = 1 sky high
1 vengeful jump = 20 seconds
dapper zealot
yeah they mentioned they'll almost certainly adjust it
loud swift
The thought is still funny
amber fable
Can see boss with adds
visual geyser
Just realized that paladin is the first tank that can gap close into their allies
loud swift
I dont think it'll be exclusive
visual geyser
It better be
amber fable
Gapcloser all utility
loud swift
I can 100% see dark knight and/or gunbreaker gapclosing to allies to apply tbn or hoc
devout wraith
I personally feel current cover is much better than gap close cover. You can lose uptime doing gap close cover and you can even gap close to a bad aoe if the one you're covering is under a bad aoe lol
amber fable
Cover isnt gapcloser per se..its the gapcloser which has this property
If you select enemy it will do intervene
loud swift
Didnt the video show the paladin gap closing to an ally?
loud swift
It is a design choice
terse zodiac
New cover would be miles better than what we have now simply for not costing anything
devout wraith
No the fact that cover is tied to the gap closer is what makes it dangerous, cuz instead of you saving an ally under a bad aoe, now both of you will be under a bad aoe and you'll be the only one taking damage for both
amber fable
Like 2 allies in quick succession
loud swift
I mean the evolved paladin showcase doesnt even have a tank stance button
amber fable
I wanna see that lol
loud swift
Im sure its still being worked on
terse zodiac
Being able to react at any point to recover and set up strats to use it will be huge
amber fable
Voke gives stance
terse zodiac
Provoke to give stance for 10 seconds sounds horrible for dungeons
amber fable
You voke and stance turns on
terse zodiac
Unless all aoe actions have increased enmity
loud swift
Unless all aoe actions have increased enmity
They always did
visual geyser
Yea
visual geyser
Did paladin not have a set aoe button? I need to see the hotbar again
amber fable
But it has its place
amber fable
Yeah
visual geyser
Rip
loud swift
Dragoon doesnt have aoe rotation either
loud swift
Dont play bard so idk about that one either
visual geyser
No aoe rotations is pretty cursed ngl
visual geyser
Yea it sucks
loud swift
I mean white mage showed to have holy but they never pressed it lol
visual geyser
We really gonna be pressing 111 on every job 
terse zodiac
True lol white mage only one with aoe
visual geyser
Might be the wave for dungeons
loud swift
Why play reborn when evolved more fun
terse zodiac
Maybe holy isnt their aoe anymore
clear plume
They did aoe combo on drg too.
devout wraith
I would like instant holy too
amber fable
It basically will be st combo with falloff
loud swift
They did aoe combo on drg too.
You mean the one locked behind 3 vengeful jumps?
Your aoe is locked behind your 1min
amber fable
Cleave
visual geyser
Cringe cringe cringe
terse zodiac
That was the followup to stardiver after 3 jumps
dapper zealot
trust in mr prime
visual geyser
ain’t no way we doing single target damage during dungeons
loud swift
There is no aoe combo in this
devout wraith
Mr Prime delivers
loud swift
We werent shown what the bottom button does
terse zodiac
Bottom is the 1-2-3-4
devout wraith
There is no aoe combo in this
They probably just didn't put it
rotund summit
the aoe combo i believe is just your ST buttons when other targets are present
dapper zealot
it could simply be not all the buttons are on the hotbar
rotund summit
(which is a bit boring)
visual geyser
How many buttons is that on the bar
rotund summit
they specifically mentioned consolidating skills which were the aoe equivalent of ST skills
16
visual geyser
Isn’t 16 buttons their goal too
amber fable
Max 16
devout wraith
I mean this is how I do my hotbars as a controller player. My aoe buttons is on another separate set without the single target buttons.
amber fable
Your damage buttons wont be 16
visual geyser
How many buttons is pld
amber fable
Idk
visual geyser
In the game rn
loud swift
it could simply be not all the buttons are on the hotbar
The most likely answer
visual geyser
They have so many fucking buttons
Slop job ngl
My paladin bars are completely filled
devout wraith
How many buttons is pld
32+ more than 2 sets for me for both aoe and single
loud swift
dapper zealot
I don't think it's literally only 16 skills, more like 16 buttons and most will be changing into other things
loud swift
Thats the paladin buttons
terse zodiac
Evolved dragoon flow doesnt even make sense for aoe, itd have to have something completely different
marble grove
1 button does multiple things depending on the target
dapper zealot
1 button does multiple things depending on the target
that was actually a peak change
marble grove
So it's still most of the old skills but condensed into one button
That's literally all it is lol
terse zodiac
Noy really at all
marble grove
And ofc some stuff was changed around like burst dmg and shish
terse zodiac
For paladin yes, for others no
mortal flower
My paladin bars are completely filled
REAL
dapper zealot
So it's still most of the old skills but condensed into one button
evo drg plays quite different to re drg
mortal flower
PLD truly is the hardest class to button in
terse zodiac
Completely different gauges and goals of the buttons
marble grove
evo drg plays quite different to re drg
Dragoon and Bard looked awesome ngl
Pld is kinda the same lol
loud swift
evo drg plays quite different to re drg
its an entirely different job just with the same vibe
devout wraith
PLD truly is the hardest class to button in
I play controller and its fine for me. Pretty smooth sailing ngl
marble grove
Job identity my lads
mortal flower
I play controller and its fine for me. Pretty smooth sailing ngl
I don't like not having shield bash on my bars
terse zodiac
Like for evolved dragoon how do you hit the left flank of a dungeon pull
marble grove
Ain't that what people been asking for years now?
marble grove
YoshiP really went "you asked, you received"
loud swift
I don't like not having shield bash on my bars
You do get shield bash
dapper zealot
bash is merged
loud swift
Shield lob is shield bash close range
mortal flower
You do get shield bash
I mean reborn pld has too many buttons
😡
I know what it does in E mode
amber fable
Very corner
mortal flower
Too many buttons
devout wraith
Shield bash is highly situational even in deep dungeon cuz low blow is low enough cd lol
mortal flower
Now give me flash back
loud swift
With buff windows no longer being the meta, shield bash might be a TINY bit more useful
Only by a smidge
Only
amber fable
Stun boss cast
loud swift
Also lowblow and interject being on the same cd
jade nimbus
Time for fflogs erasure
amber fable
Thought so
clear plume
Flattening damage curve makes it higher cost to give up a single gcd, not lower, assuming it’s out of said burst window
loud swift
Time for fflogs erasure
Sees any sort of change
Threatens to quit
clear plume
I mean, I’m certainly not going to be parsing on an evolved job, it’s a 3 button dps rotation, what’s there to optimize
amber fable
Press 1 to win
devout wraith
I mean, I’m certainly not going to be parsing on an evolved job, it’s a 3 button...
Oh you sweet summer child
quasi stag
Time for fflogs erasure
as someone who's never used it before, why's it suddenly "dying"?
clear plume
Even being somebody who is waiting to see how it plays out with release schedule changes, it’s not bc parsing will be good next expack
terse zodiac
White mage going from 6 to 2 damage buttons and acting like they made the damage rotation more fun was certainly a take
jade nimbus
It is a joke (at least for me)
clear plume
Actual slot machine parsing with close to zero opti
rotund summit
Actual slot machine parsing with close to zero opti
said before we have any idea what the content design is or what the other 19 jobs can do
loud swift
Actual slot machine parsing with close to zero opti
Parsing with viper sure is much better
clear plume
said before we have any idea what the content design is or what the other 19 job...
We literally had an entire presentation for what their goals are
We can assume those goals with the example given is relevant
rotund summit
the average EW parser would explode seeing DT savage content, im just saying you dont know what you'd even be measuring these toolboxes against
clear plume
Parsers and HC players are simply not the target audience for the changes
What’s that even supposed to mean? Who do you think was world racing the dt savage content
wicked delta
the average EW parser would explode seeing DT savage content, im just saying you...
Wonder is unc status I think he was parsing even back in HW
devout wraith
10s 3x stack constant gauge for drg is pretty tight imo considering you don't wanna overcap on them. 2 of those builds into a rear combo combo. 3 usage jumps accompanied by those gauge spenders is another burst combo every 60s. Ideally...? 6 gauge spenders every 60s meaning 2 rear combo fillers.
Its free form in a way that you dont have a rigid order but its kinda busy and tight every 60s
devout wraith
And your sky high can be held which is probably not ideal if you wanna maximize dps in the long run
But mitigation opportunities
clear plume
Like they literally said the goal was to remove group optimizations and that they understand that’s not good news for people, but to please be patient because it has upsides too bc it makes content easier to design and whatnot
It’s not correct to simply ignore that and pretend it’s not relevant bc we haven’t seen new drk or something
terse zodiac
It would only be tight if youre trying to actually move to hit each positional, but you can ignore 3 per minute so just stay in your clockspot and its easy
clear plume
They literally said what the design philosophy was, most HC players are waiting to see how it plays out, but not bc of excited to parse on them
terse zodiac
Hit your flank, jump, hit opposite flank without moving, hit back, then you have 30s to do that combo again freeform
clear plume
If parsing dies so we go back to a shorter patch schedule and get 2 ultimates plus quantum plus chaotic plus criterion etc
Then as a HC player there will still be enough for me, but if that isn’t met then maybe the game won’t be for me either, doesn’t mean I’m not going to give it a fair shake
loud swift
I mean maybe we can assume more content cuz they were developing this behind the scenes
Every job being reworked isnt a small order
terse zodiac
Ngl having every single job designed by 1 person gives me doubts about the balance
amber fable
Overworld content rework is what I am interested in ngl
devout wraith
There will be parsing but its gonna be based on your performance not based on pre-planning and/or heavily 2min burst party synergy me thinks.
There's still some raid buffs it seems like, the brd has a 10s raid buff every 1min it seems like, which is a pretty neat window to dump everyone's big damage skills imo
loud swift
There will be parsing but its gonna be based on your performance not based on pr...
Well we dont know if that unknown bard buff is a dmg buff
So cant really count on that
rotund summit
im curious what they'll do with dancer
amber fable
Maybe prange will have some small buffs here and there
terse zodiac
Look at dnc in pvp to get a brief idea
devout wraith
I would not like dnc pvp in pve lmao. Constant dashing is gonna be obnoxious
amber fable
Hopefully lower range tax
terse zodiac
Dnc doesnt even need to change to fit the new system, theyd just remove the party buff from tech finish
amber fable
They won't remove it completely
terse zodiac
Buffing 1 person perpetually would still fit the new design
loud swift
Raid buffs seems to be whats axed, not individual buffs
jade nimbus
Dnc doesnt even need to change to fit the new system, theyd just remove the part...
Well, that and devilment, it would only keep dance partner and standard step
terse zodiac
No, tech step can still exist just as a big hit, and devilment is fine bc single target
jade nimbus
I mean, ye, they would need to remove tech step party buff
devout wraith
Something wacky like standard step becomes like curing waltz. It also comes out of your dp so now it can hit twice.
clear plume
Things like cpm difference is why it would be death to parsing, the actual skill ceiling is just much lower.
Right now a huge part of being a skilled prange is the apm requirements of the job on a 14 hour prog day with current bard as an example being a fairly strict job at a high level that punishes you pretty hard for major mistakes, new bard simply doesn’t have that expression.
Like the optimization for the class is gone, press your songs loosely enough on cd to not overcap every 20s, press the heavy shot otherwise, and that’s the optimization
From what we’ve seen
And the lower the skill ceiling of a job is, the less fun there is to try and reach it
terse zodiac
Im pretty sure they can do like raidwide haste buffs or things like that now too for like astro to replace 2 minute damage increase
clear plume
Because “just crit more” is simply how it works when 95% of players are pressing the same button
amber fable
We dunno all jobs kits yet..hard to say how piss easy it will be
And also what kind of fights in 8.0
If they cook good
clear plume
We once again, literally know what design they’re aiming for
amber fable
It can be fun
clear plume
Hardcore players are simply not the audience for the class changes
amber fable
Reborn mode
terse zodiac
I also highly doubt theyll balance each mode for situations like 2 target
wicked delta
Not probably, it just will
terse zodiac
Jobs that excel at 2 target now will probably do much better than evolved in those situations
loud swift
Reborn is just the old versions of jobs, of course newer jobs dont have it
wicked delta
It’ll be gone by 9.0 if not earlier depending on feedback
dapper zealot
Reborn shouldn't last longer than next expac. Absolutely no reason to keep dragging it into 9.0
loud swift
Reborn will be phased out and removed
as a non hc player and doesnt care about parses. i like the new jobs. but i can see why some people dont like it
rotund summit
saying that all content can be cleared with reborn AND that evolved is stronger concerns me for the tuning of content
loud swift
my main concern is how will evolved jobs perform in older content
amber fable
Blow em
terse zodiac
Theyll just be better
loud swift
such as legacy ultis
amber fable
Simply
rotund summit
probably trivialize them
loud swift
Kinda sad
wicked delta
as a non hc player and doesnt care about parses. i like the new jobs. but i can ...
Im not a HC player either nor do I care much about parsing but I do think it’s kinda sad to see
clear plume
Dps check is not what’s stopping people from ucob right now
wicked delta
Im pretty sure you can clear ucob with like 100 deaths
amber fable
Rotational simplicity
And how kit might work
It may as well make it much more easy
Or not
terse zodiac
tea Top and dsr will be most affected not the super legacy ones
limpid edge
owner of fflogs wants to step back cuz the precious rdps is goin away
amber fable
Deadlogs
rapid whale
top alr giga power crept if ppl pushing buttons
terse zodiac
Unless you push garuda/ultima even faster making them way more annoying
jade nimbus
owner of fflogs wants to step back cuz the precious rdps is goin away
Poggers, logging dead
rapid whale
where were you when fflogs died
clear plume
where were you when fflogs died
Ending the last tier of bard existing in top 10 
Rip the job enjoy going back to arr complexity
rotund summit
honestly very surprised there was no mention of a story skip
rapid whale
everyone will now push the shiny button
loud swift
The dt storyline seems to be very connected with evercold
amber fable
Would be weird to just throw there
rotund summit
yea i guess realistically it’s weird that there isn’t one for DT
terse zodiac
Theyve mentioned it several times how they know its rough having 6 expansions to go through before getting to play the new stuff
clear plume
Realistically the issue with a story skip is bc the free trial is just the fucking story
limpid edge
couold be an incentiv to buy the game
rapid whale
xiv banks a lot on its story true
mortal flower
Theyve mentioned it several times how they know its rough having 6 expansions to...
Welcome to the Narrative focused MMO
loud swift
maybe in the future FT will be arr-ew only. godless saga will be entirely paid
mortal flower
maybe in the future FT will be arr-ew only. godless saga will be entirely paid
The EW FT ends after you kill ||crystal mommy||
Just immediately
amber fable
11.0
wicked delta
maybe in the future FT will be arr-ew only. godless saga will be entirely paid
Would make sense to me I guess
rapid whale
is there another stream today from fanfest or was yesterday it
amber fable
10.0 if early
terse zodiac
Im just saying it makes sense to wonder why they havent since theyve mentioned it several times, talked about having a way to jump into the new stuff easier
But i imagine story skips make them a decent amount of money so they dont wanna give that up
random needle
zealous meteor
The EW FT ends after you kill ||crystal mommy||
[quest complete jingle]
To continue the main scenario quests, you must have FINAL FANTASY XIV: ENDWALKER registered to your account.
mortal flower
[quest complete jingle]
> To continue the main scenario quests, you must have FI...
amber fable
Regression manwha ahh line
rapid whale
"Hey you, you're finally awake!"
loud swift
all roads lead back to skyrim
clear plume
Hey now, my modded Skyrim has a harder dps rotation than the bard we saw
wicked delta
Fisher now unironically harder than all combat jobs
mortal flower
"Hey you, you're finally awake!"
"The 4th? Shards? Solution nine? The new world? Fall of garlemald? I don't know what you're talking about dude. You must've fallen off of the chocobo cart really hard. Here, the ride to the chirugeon is on me..."
rapid whale
new bard rotation is legit just 1 filer -> song -> spend song gcd's -> next song -> repeat/
loud swift
I would say we can get rid of 3rd bar for kbm but crafters and gatherers exist
mortal flower
I would say we can get rid of 3rd bar for kbm but crafters and gatherers exist
Just make it a turn based card game
zealous meteor
Fisher now unironically harder than all combat jobs
always has been
terse zodiac
Crafters are 2 button macros or 5 buttons of useful skills to manually craft
clear plume
new bard rotation is legit just 1 filer -> song -> spend song gcd's -> next song...
Hey now, it has more filler before the next song
terse zodiac
Gatherers pretty much 1 bar of useful things
rapid whale
mb
mortal flower
Crafters are 2 button macros or 5 buttons of useful skills to manually craft
Fisher meanwhile:
clear plume
Yeah, it’s actually less steps than u types
zealous meteor
FSH is unironically the most complex class already
limpid edge
when i saw roaming arcane giants, i was thinking big overworld bosses we can randomly tackle
cmon give us an mmo feel
clear plume
But you get the adhd leaps which I fear is peak
mortal flower
FSH is unironically the most complex class already
Chum -> Double -> light catch type-> check the timer -> wrong fish -> blessing -> mooch2 -> check bite type -> check angler.ffxiv -> right fish -> miss window because you took 0.5 seconds too long to use your 50gp hookset -> wait another 7 weeks for the fish
terse zodiac
Probably is overworld bosses but doubt itll be anything massively difficult
clear plume
Forward leap into repelling (how did this ability survive?) just to feel 2 seconds of fun
inner shadow
Evercold????
The next expansion I want is to put a market board in solution nine!
This is witcher3 all over again
limpid edge
where solution 9 trailer music
terse zodiac
Endgame cities never have a market
limpid edge
i awanna hear the full version!
mortal flower
All I'm saying is
Fish need to have like triple the value of all other DOL items
Just saying
dapper zealot
Thought about it a bit, I feel 'evo will be slightly better than reborn' doesn't necessarily mean better in terms of dps, but more likely better in ease of use in the 8,0 combat design. They most likely designed with evo first in mind then adjusted for reborn
mortal flower
All you do is click yes and then you roll the dice 5 times
We gotta suffer
Even spearfishing is harder than your bullshit frfr
zealous meteor
the fancy aquarium fish are already pretty valuable
worldly grotto
Thought about it a bit, I feel 'evo will be slightly better than reborn' doesn't...
If they can add identity to the jobs then I don't care if they're better or worse than reborn honestly
dapper zealot
Thought about it a bit, I feel 'evo will be slightly better than reborn' doesn't...
cause there's no reason for them to just not simply increase potency of the reborn kit if it is slightly weaker
limpid edge
im pissed we never heard the s9 trailer music in-game
dapper zealot
the fancy aquarium fish are already pretty valuable
a sam aquarium
zealous meteor
a sam aquarium
i am NOT a fish
wicked delta
Im gonna have to make a wintery glam for AST soon
mortal flower
cause there's no reason for them to just not simply increase potency of the rebo...
[Assumption]
E Jobs will be eaiser due to the free form nature of 8.0 content and due to higher incoming damage. As well as a general removal of the need to align burst windows
R Jobs will stay viable in contexts where you can align windows but only if the party as a whole can agree to swap back and if they can handle the incoming damage
devout wraith
Things like cpm difference is why it would be death to parsing, the actual skill...
All this utility they're giving us is making me think the punishment is gonna straight up be damage downs or res weakness debuff. The boss mechs are gonna be consistently harder, requiring constant mits and movement from everyone. Or even triage phases for healer.
Surviving is probably gonna be harder and the evo mode is designed to alleviate some stress from that.
rapid whale
yah if whm changes are any actual indication we're about to be eating damage damage
terse zodiac
Aligning windows for what? Reborn are also losing party buffs
vestal hollow
fuck winter glams i want me viking armor
wicked delta
I’ll give that armor to warrior
mortal flower
yah if whm changes are any actual indication we're about to be eating damage dam...
^
dapper zealot
Im gonna have to make a wintery glam for AST soon
what was it, the darbar set?
mortal flower
WHM got stupid heals
BRD got passive regens and barriers
PLD got party utility as a 'main' tank