endgame-lounge

[grand mesa]

What did I just read

Uh

Congrats on your transition?

[valid solar]

league of legends

what chiyo said is the text that goes in chat (everyone can see it) when the kitty finds their mama

[grand mesa]

Oh

Of course league would have this

yuumi players when they play with their adc mommy >.<

[trim frost]

it's based on the google ai thing

not mommy in that sense

[grand mesa]

If it quacks like a duck

It's a duck

[grand mesa]

My point stands

[trim frost]

can your point sit

thanks

[grand mesa]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They knew what they were doing when they named it this

[trim frost]

i think there was actually a reddit post that fully thought it was only mommy in that sense it was funny to read

[tepid briar]

yeah league moment

pf description: sanguine scratch 2 prog

reality: not even close

[valid solar]

[trim frost]

probably woulda wiped to ss2 even if you got there with that kinda party

[tepid briar]

I would hope nobody wipes at ss2 lol

yeah enrage do be enrage

[trim frost]

smile

i dont know what adds are i must have my boss uptime

smile

[vestal hollow]

if the foe shits....

[tepid briar]

we were doing great and then 2/3 of the party wipes at deathmatch

99 pull count atp

[trim frost]

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

[slender lichen]

whats the multiplayer idyllic sim

is it on xivsim

[tulip wraith]

thats the one me and my static used, yeah

https://www.xivsim.com/heavyweight/ idk if link needed or not

[slender lichen]

i see

[rapid whale]

did you call them slurs

i heard it improves morale

[tepid briar]

unfortunately not

[rapid whale]

smh

slacker

[proven pivot]

Did anyone else started shaking and crying violently upon joining their first ultimate pf party

I was lowkey relieved when the leader said he’s gonna disband cuz it was taking too long to fill

[alpine plover]

Which ulti

Also dont worry it's expected to do mistakes in prog and especially at from start

[wicked delta]

Unironically yes

I almost threw up when I first instanced into DSR

💀

[proven pivot]

uwu

[wicked delta]

I was that nervous even after like 3 days of studying

[proven pivot]

dsr surely wasn’t your first ultimate… or was it

[wicked delta]

🙂

[amber fable]

I started with top

And it went much chiller than expected

[proven pivot]

Oh

[amber fable]

Wait times for party killed the mood though

[wicked delta]

Everyone told me to do UWU

I really didn’t want to

Lmao

[amber fable]

Level 70 shit

Miss me with that kit

[fiery jewel]

I wouldn't start with TOP / DSR simply because every other ultimate would disappoint you besides maybe TEA.

[loud swift]

I did UWU. Tried progging UCOB a couple times. Its gross

[fiery jewel]

Also both are just too hard unless you have god gamer mechanics that translate immediately

[amber fable]

I would say they are fast

[wicked delta]

I just didnt want to have a level 70 kit

[amber fable]

But nothing you cant do with enough pulls

[wicked delta]

The mechanical difficulty doesn’t matter to me

[fiery jewel]

understandable

[wicked delta]

I really just hate playing lvl 70 jobs

[loud swift]

I progged UWU as reaper..

it was

[wicked delta]

I progged TEA as reaper

[amber fable]

Rather play a whm

Than a rpr

[wicked delta]

💀

[loud swift]

It was not very fun

Lol

Rpr doesnt have burst at 70

[fiery jewel]

LOL

[wicked delta]

I think it gave me a disease of some kind

I was like yeah no im going back to DSR with this job

[fiery jewel]

wait for the reworks

[wicked delta]

Doing negative damage and a dream

[alpine plover]

you're playing on eu right?

[fiery jewel]

imo

[proven pivot]

Yes

[wicked delta]

I mean im in healer jail now so its whatever

[alpine plover]

i have a pletoria of good news for you

uwu is the easiest ulti

[wicked delta]

Im gonna be progging DSR on ast soonge

Its either that or whm

[loud swift]

I wanna prog dsr

[alpine plover]

and the lpdu uwu helpers are the nicest people

[wicked delta]

Not sure yet

[loud swift]

It look funny

[alpine plover]

(unlike the helpers in other ultis)

and they like to clear people

i'd recommend tuning in on lpdu and ask questions about the ulti in the ubu channel

they like people that study and are genuienly trying to clear and get better

[proven pivot]

Yeah and they post ss of ppl’s first clear it’s cute

[amber fable]

Hardest part of ult isnt even fight...its the wait for party fills in pf

[alpine plover]

yee you will prolly get helped when you get a bit later in prog

[wicked delta]

Yea its why I gave up on d

The fight is fun

[alpine plover]

or hey even earlier if they take a liking to u

[wicked delta]

Waiting like 5 hr for party fill is not

[fiery jewel]

nothing is comparable to TOP best fight in the entire game by far

[alpine plover]

also it probably took a long time to clear cuz people are still doing reclears

on tuesday and wednesday

from now on there shouuld be more ulti pfs

[wicked delta]

Well yea but better speedrun that shit before the new ulti releases

You wont see other ults in a while once it drops

[fiery jewel]

uwu is genuinely a <100 pull clear

do-able

[alpine plover]

you're not supposed to pressure the newbies tobi

[wicked delta]

Its not pressure its realism

[loud swift]

i went searching for my uwu ss

[alpine plover]

i'm not searching mine

[wicked delta]

My friend went from fresh to Titan in like one instance

[alpine plover]

i was playing whm lol

[fierce matrix]

GF did it with this

[fiery jewel]

yeah

[fierce matrix]

I'd say its easier to do than M10S unironically

[wicked delta]

M11S

M10S aint even that hard

[fierce matrix]

thats the point

I wasn't trying to pick a harder fight LOL

especially as an OT in uwu

you literally do nothing

[wicked delta]

Idk uwu is still an ult like thats an endurance test compared to m10

[fierce matrix]

actually

[wicked delta]

Staying awake for the actual mechanics in the fight

[fierce matrix]

The difference is you get these short breaks

[proven pivot]

My friend said she’d gift me the chaotic hair i’ve been whining about if i clear uwu + that it’s piss easy but like… ITS AN ULT

[fierce matrix]

like as an OT

you literally do not do anything for Titan Gaols

top emnity doesn't get a gaol

[wicked delta]

I love that OT role goes from jorking it as blue dps to depending on the fight

[alpine plover]

just join savage slimes and actually clear chaotic in 3 hrs

[fierce matrix]

UWU is an ult like M1S was a savage fight

[wicked delta]

Bro is advertising

[fierce matrix]

its not really

[alpine plover]

[wicked delta]

[alpine plover]

we have 89% newbie run clear rate this year

ofc i'll brag

[fierce matrix]

If you were on NA id join

[wicked delta]

Just make an EU character

[fierce matrix]

fuck no

[wicked delta]

Filthy American

[fierce matrix]

I want my main

[proven pivot]

This tier is my first

[fierce matrix]

Genuinely you can clear UWU faster than this tier

[alpine plover]

^

[fierce matrix]

hell faster than doing all the way to M11S

UWU is literally a nothing burger of a fight

[wicked delta]

Okay well UWU is an ult like if M9S was a savage fight

[fierce matrix]

M9S is a savage fight

Vamp Stomp is the hardest mech of the tier

[wicked delta]

So true

[proven pivot]

YES

[wicked delta]

Sanguine scratch is impossible content

[alpine plover]

furen

what u play this tier?

[wicked delta]

Im still on M12 because real life got in the way

[proven pivot]

Well I think m9s is easy so maybe i should have the guts to do uwu…

[wicked delta]

I wanna do D man

[proven pivot]

Oh, m10s this weekend, gulp

[wicked delta]

Look man

[alpine plover]

furen just left the chat

smh

[wicked delta]

If you can clear 9/10

You wont struggle with UWU

If you can clear 11

You definitely won’t struggle with UWU

[alpine plover]

but you will struggle with 11

probably

[wicked delta]

@fierce matrix come back to us father

[alpine plover]

not cuz you're a newbie

but mostly cuz pf in 11

[wicked delta]

I got endgame to clear me lol

I wasn’t gonna do a 11 clear in pf

[fierce matrix]

wdym

[wicked delta]

Hello father

[alpine plover]

yoyo prolly also would jump to help clear

[fierce matrix]

GNB/DRK

[wicked delta]

Idk I just felt like being annoying

[fierce matrix]

i did DRK week 1 for M11/12S

[tepid briar]

okay that's enough of pf for tonight

[alpine plover]

W

[tepid briar]

still haven't cleared m9s

[proven pivot]

Yeah, my friend was like i fear for your sanity as a healer in m11s’ weapons… i decided to not ask about whatever weapons is

[fierce matrix]

but GNB after week 1

I got weapon week 2

we had all our weapons by week 4

[alpine plover]

how do you do your vamp stomp

out of curiosity

[fierce matrix]

so

do you know the melee uptime strat

:)

[alpine plover]

i greed 1 more gcd after the wave appears

like after the initial aoe dissapears

[wicked delta]

Fuck melees imma do my own thing

[alpine plover]

then wait for 1 bat explosion

then go in

i don't lose uptime

[fiery jewel]

hold perfectio

[fierce matrix]

lemme show you gods best strat

[fiery jewel]

EPT

[tepid briar]

healer

just stand at corner and gcd

[alpine plover]

show

[fiery jewel]

the only melee that is cooked

actually I think they all are fine tbh

[fierce matrix]

https://www.twitch.tv/yuuki_xiv/clip/EnjoyableKawaiiGuanacoPeteZarollTie-tmHf6KPEx8nEb47M

[fiery jewel]

maybe SAM cooked

[wicked delta]

I remember getting griefed by a melee while I was literally prange

[fiery jewel]

blessing us with the pro strats

yooo

[wicked delta]

Why does it take 6 business days for you to go in

Just go you lazy fuck

[alpine plover]

yea but if u get the other bat pattern

what do u do

[fierce matrix]

so

[wicked delta]

Wipe

[fierce matrix]

you always start on the first bat spawns

because they always rotate 90 degrees

[fiery jewel]

yeah I feel this prob the intended way

or something similar

[fierce matrix]

prio is what you'd expect

[fiery jewel]

pf don't care enough to do that tho

too hard

[fierce matrix]

MT/M1 West side, OT/M2 East side and if its N/S go to your tank

[fiery jewel]

most we will do is fixed stampede

[alpine plover]

nah i just wait my bat explo

[fiery jewel]

all the melees have good ranged options for that

so I ain't really tripping

[alpine plover]

easier

[fierce matrix]

nah

[fiery jewel]

ppl act like VPR the only good melee with ranged options not rlly true

[fierce matrix]

this is literally the free-ist shit imaginable

[fiery jewel]

prob

too risky in pf

[fierce matrix]

because you just stand on the back and then back up like slightly

[alpine plover]

it is free but you can't expect pf to actually

let you do that

[fiery jewel]

ye

[fierce matrix]

ive done it multiple times with melees

[fiery jewel]

if you die your log is just ruined

[fierce matrix]

ive showed them this and theyve thanked me

[fiery jewel]

ur getting a green or grey

too risky

[fierce matrix]

tf

green or grey?

mf I have 2 deaths and a DD and still have a purple

[fiery jewel]

I'm getting orange either way I'm talking about the other half

[fierce matrix]

I have 2 DDs with a 96 lmao

[fiery jewel]

real

[alpine plover]

i think i forgot to update yesterday's logs

[fierce matrix]

no shot you are getting a green or a grey with just a death

[alpine plover]

oops

[fiery jewel]

90% of the community is cooked if they die once tho

that's the reality

[alpine plover]

i mean

i don't log

idk why i typed that

i follow yoshi p rules

[fiery jewel]

😭

[fierce matrix]

90% of the community doesn't even go into savage tbf

[fiery jewel]

yoshi dgaf

do wtv

[fierce matrix]

you can log tbh

thats not against FF TOS

[amber fable]

You can bot too

[fierce matrix]

just if you use tools that pull from the game

[fierce matrix]

none of that

[amber fable]

Just dont say it out loud

[alpine plover]

yea i know

but i dont log

[fiery jewel]

never seen them actually ban someone for using ACT tbf

[alpine plover]

i also dont know what parse is

[fierce matrix]

do NOT start saying that shit Avx

[fiery jewel]

I think there's a good chance they add a native dps tracker next expac

[fierce matrix]

do not make me mute you

[alpine plover]

i also dont know what noclippy is

or glamourer

[amber fable]

Yeah i got ya

[alpine plover]

or penumbra

[fiery jewel]

real

[alpine plover]

(i may use all of them)

[fiery jewel]

we encouraging lethargic gameplay out here

we breaking the ToS

[alpine plover]

life without noclippy

and i assume xivalex

is like

cringe

[fiery jewel]

this is all stuff they will eventually add to the main game

it will just take multiple years of bitching

[amber fable]

Less burden to fix when tpp can do it for you

For free

At that

[wicked delta]

Game is literally unplayable without noclippy for me

Unless im on EU

[amber fable]

My ping went from 150 to 325 average now

[wicked delta]

I live in the servers on EU

[fiery jewel]

someone should start betting line on if dps tracker is added 8.0

I would make hella money

[amber fable]

I dont even bother starting game without dalamud

Too much dependency

[dull drum]

i got a 0 with 3

[amber fable]

Not good for me..but I guess I am too used to it

[fiery jewel]

0 is nothing just imagine a 9 infront of it

[amber fable]

09

Yes

[fiery jewel]

I didn't think that out properly...

[wicked delta]

Me in m11s type beat

[proven pivot]

The fact that I only started using it months ago and now i’m like this too

[wicked delta]

Played like straight trash

[amber fable]

My first clear had me dying 3 times

Well a clear is clear

[fiery jewel]

vanilla is getting better tbf since they actually adding mod features almost every patch atp

[alpine plover]

adding viera hats

[amber fable]

Tbf every m11 clear has me dying there once atleast

Low key cant clear without death

Its a sign

[fiery jewel]

so one day I might be able to go vanilla

[alpine plover]

my static is also at the point where we are all kinda griefing

[wicked delta]

Most of my clears also have deaths in them its so sad

[alpine plover]

we still clear but it takes longer cuz nobody is locked in anymore

[wicked delta]

I do great all day and the one time I grief a pull we clear

[alpine plover]

we talk about food or smth during weapons

[fiery jewel]

m11s is probably the hardest to parse

[wicked delta]

[fiery jewel]

so if you die you're just fucked

also if you go to enrage you are fucked

[alpine plover]

we had both healers die to two way but we still got to 3rd tower

cuz we had drk war

if we didn't have some deaths before that it was a clear

[fiery jewel]

can you blame them

this tier has no aura

[amber fable]

What to do after bis?

A savage conundrum

[alpine plover]

farm alt bis

[fiery jewel]

afk until fanfest

[wicked delta]

Criterion?

[fiery jewel]

v&c is optional

[amber fable]

Its always this way in a tier

[alpine plover]

but thing is i'm also done with that

[wicked delta]

[alpine plover]

[fiery jewel]

but goodluck finding pf

if you got homies you good tho

[amber fable]

Content shelf life when it dont give current tier ilvl

[fiery jewel]

not even that

the other rewards are mostly shit

making mounts that are sellable is necessary to keep the content active

[amber fable]

For criterion specifically

[fiery jewel]

but you need to make rewards for actually clearing and farming

[amber fable]

Lack of current ilvl is big reason

[fiery jewel]

achievement not enough unfort

[fierce matrix]

So is savage tbh

[amber fable]

No one wanna do it

In pug

[fiery jewel]

I tihnk chaotic would still be active like it is today if it didn't have gear

but it would def be less

[amber fable]

Nah

[fiery jewel]

gear only helps

[amber fable]

Chaotic would be lot more dead without gear

Altho its irrelevant now

[fiery jewel]

but chaotich as sellable mount sellable minion exclusive mount

[fierce matrix]

no one does it for the gear

it was a such a minor DPS gain

[fiery jewel]

ppl do chaotic for the stuff u can sell

that's why they farm it

[fierce matrix]

it seriously didnt matter

[fiery jewel]

and the exclusive mount is good design also

the gear helps tho 100%

if criterion had exclusive mount for farming

[amber fable]

Then why crit clear rates so low?

It has sellable stuff and needs less people

[fiery jewel]

because the only thing of value is the genie lamp

[amber fable]

Still less activity than cod

[fiery jewel]

chaotic has 3 things of value besides gear

v&c issue is they split the rewards

[fierce matrix]

because all the mounts are sellable and its low man content so its easier to farm

[fiery jewel]

regular variant shouldn't even be farm content

[fierce matrix]

whereas chaotic is 24 man and is a bitch to farm some days

[fiery jewel]

it should just be one time thing

idk why regular variant even has rewards rlly

but it's fine not a big issue

[whole estuary]

Cod also has been out a lot longer

[fierce matrix]

finding 4 people vs finding 24 people

[fiery jewel]

variant advanced has a mount

[amber fable]

Crit acroas expansions has dogass clear rates

[fiery jewel]

criterion just needs a sellable minion

or smth

[whole estuary]

Like 2 years for people to clear it

[fiery jewel]

make pari a minion

[fierce matrix]

nah

[fiery jewel]

or lone swordmaster

it can't be worse than just not making them anything

[fierce matrix]

they just need an exclusive mount thats non-sellable

[fiery jewel]

ye

I agree

but bare minimum would be making a minion

[fierce matrix]

Its the reason why Quantum died so quickly too

[fiery jewel]

chaotic still has aura because the minion drop is so rare

so it goes for like 80m

[whole estuary]

The frame kits are exclusive...

[fiery jewel]

frame kit is good rewards

[fierce matrix]

no one wanted to do it since all it dropped was fucking loot boxes

[amber fable]

24 man

[fiery jewel]

but shoudln't even be criteron

and it's kinda shit ngl

it's reused assets

frmae kit should be a normal reward

[fierce matrix]

yeah

[amber fable]

Yet more active..gotta be more than just cuz it has loot which sell for double digit mils

[fiery jewel]

the gear they made

just make 4 more sets of those mayb

[whole estuary]

Frame kits are an ultimate level reward

[fiery jewel]

idk

[fierce matrix]

nah

thats not what it needs

[fiery jewel]

frame kit is a good reward

ngl

[fierce matrix]

gear sets isn't gonna get people to do harder content

the people that appeals to is casuals

[fiery jewel]

I agree tbh

[fierce matrix]

hardcores might do it if its stat bonuses but it normally is like

[fiery jewel]

I want the gear options but it's not as much of a draw

as ppl say

[fierce matrix]

so minute it doesn't matter

[fiery jewel]

it's really not

[amber fable]

Casual do gives population to a content

[fierce matrix]

yes but we are talking about content casuals will not do

[fiery jewel]

https://universalis.app/market/44492

this shh extremely rare

[fierce matrix]

giving casual oriented rewards for non-casual content is like

[fiery jewel]

and it still goes for like 40m

insane aura

something I don't get about savage is why every floor doesn't drop a minion of the boss you beat tbh

can't be that hard to make

[fierce matrix]

They just need exclusivity that isn't framer kits. They fucking suck ass for midcore hardcore players

[amber fable]

Its more of supply and demand really

[fiery jewel]

I think every boss for the most part should have a minion tied to them

I don't see why not

it's just more rewards and easy to make

[fierce matrix]

theyll just make it a reward for a quest or some shit tying up the tier

[fiery jewel]

darya normal lone swordmaster advanced pari criterion

[fierce matrix]

the epilogue or w/e

[fiery jewel]

would've cooked lowkey

[proven pivot]

Wait what do you even get if you do criterion

[fiery jewel]

it's pretty bad

[amber fable]

The content you did

[fiery jewel]

title, adventure kit, genie

which genie is a legit gil farm

[amber fable]

The gratification of doing content

Thats it

[fiery jewel]

but it's not really worth doing

you need the chance to get multiple rewards you can sell

it chaotic has the chance to get multiple everything should

since chaotic is easier content

[proven pivot]

No one i know bothered with criterion we all just did advanced for the weapons or accessories for gil

[fierce matrix]

the new criterion has a bunch of rewards. just matters if you care about them

[fiery jewel]

genie price is not even worth it tbh

it's actually fairly common drop

[fierce matrix]

Mount
Orch Roll
Framers Kit
Title
Augment for Exquisite Weapon

[fiery jewel]

so the price makes sense

[amber fable]

How fast it sells tho

[fiery jewel]

pretty fast

but for example I think Chaotic rewards go for more

[proven pivot]

Advanced mount is 20m

[amber fable]

Cod might jump

In 8.0

[fiery jewel]

one of the coolest mounts in the game

[amber fable]

Less people will do it

[fiery jewel]

and it's not that hard to get

and goes for 50m

[amber fable]

Its more of waiting for party

[fiery jewel]

1 clear of chaotic is basically

1m gil?

prob more

[amber fable]

Idk

[whole estuary]

It's not that cool until you see the emote

[fiery jewel]

objectively a better farm tbh

[amber fable]

You can clear for free

Oh wait

The worth of 1 clear...

[proven pivot]

Which

[fiery jewel]

ye

basically have to put it into

how much is 1 clear getting e

[amber fable]

Idk ..the time it takes to clear 1 cod..i can farm 1m from fates

[fiery jewel]

you serious?

[whole estuary]

The cod floating panel

[amber fable]

Yes

[fiery jewel]

tell me the strats then

👀

[alpine plover]

2 newbie clears is 30 mil

[whole estuary]

I didn't realize it had an emote before

[proven pivot]

Ohh

[whole estuary]

Without that it's so plain

[fiery jewel]

bonus goes hard

[alpine plover]

no just newbies

[fiery jewel]

ye

[amber fable]

Bonus being rng is dumb

[fiery jewel]

the noob bonus

[alpine plover]

hikari join savage slimes we clear newbies

[fiery jewel]

bonus increases the droprates of the actual stuff

[alpine plover]

come get your stuff

[amber fable]

You can get no extra materia for like 5 runs

[fiery jewel]

I'm retired from chaotic I got like 200 clears

😭

[alpine plover]

nvm then

[proven pivot]

Do the newbies also get the bonus?

[alpine plover]

ofc

[fiery jewel]

I can only do so much

best battle content this expac for me tho

[proven pivot]

Chaos pf is doing newbie run this friday hmm

[alpine plover]

the best strat is to clear newbies cuz you get more stuff than in reclears

[fiery jewel]

i didn't think there would ever be a fight I clear 200 times

in this game

[amber fable]

Itd basically following your fresh raid tier loot

All new players 2 chest

0 player 0 chest

[fiery jewel]

chaotic is content that will pop off

[amber fable]

Except you can only get that new bonus once

[fiery jewel]

when we start getting more

I 100% believe that

a lot of ppl don't know it exists most likely

when we start getting more interations of the difficulty

it will only become more popular like ulti

[rapid whale]

y gilga prices if ur eu tho monkaW

[whole estuary]

Maybe if Mr. Ozma works on BLU instead

[fiery jewel]

that was just automatic

[wicked delta]

Cluegi

[amber fable]

Need ult battle creator for this

[fiery jewel]

mr ozma will lock in for next chaotic prob

he has time

[amber fable]

Idk man..train more pepes to make shit

[rapid whale]

ozma spent all their curse energy on making bst

[fiery jewel]

dual boss diabolos scatath with a phase 2 maybe

ye it will cook

[amber fable]

One man doing everything

[fiery jewel]

chaotic has potential since CODCAR is like a 11:30m fight

so u can actually do interesting shit like a second phase or smth

[amber fable]

You can do so many things

[fiery jewel]

and just more interesting fight design

[amber fable]

Car was kinda weak mech wise

[fiery jewel]

24m is maybe the most interesting

mechanic wise

they can do ALOT

[wicked delta]

I just hope diabolos keeps the random crits

[fiery jewel]

more people is just more variables into the equation

[wicked delta]

That was extremely funny in HW

[amber fable]

I hope they do multi boss thing more

[fiery jewel]

dual boss should be normalized

we should get one almost every patch imo

[amber fable]

Whwre you have to swap

[fiery jewel]

or add phase

[amber fable]

Across alliances

[fiery jewel]

ye

the autos

I think was tlaking abt that with someone earlier

[amber fable]

Not just autos

Like boss switch

[fiery jewel]

diabolos will def cook tho

[amber fable]

Abc boss is bow bca

[fiery jewel]

and it they got revenge of the horde

best battle theme mayb

ye it'll be peak

[fiery jewel]

they can do so much esp with the tank role

chaotic some of the best tank content ever

you have such a huge impact

which is ironic since it's 24m but it somehow just works

[amber fable]

More people

So more ways to make them do something

[fiery jewel]

potential for tanks to save runs is insane

even healers kinda

great design ma

[proven pivot]

That makes it more fun for you? You must have a regulated nervous system

[fiery jewel]

def can be scary I see that

[amber fable]

Scary when fresh

[fiery jewel]

I just want more interesting gameplay and for supports to have a bigger impact

[amber fable]

But when you're in on your 60th run

[fiery jewel]

which that is actually a reality in CODCAR

which is why it's such a great fight

[proven pivot]

True true, if i join the newbie run i’m probably going as rdm despite being a healer main

Maybe when i’m more confident i’ll troll as astro

[fiery jewel]

rdm very prog friendly in codcar

[alpine plover]

Join us

We play healers out

[fiery jewel]

send link

[alpine plover]

1moment

https://raidplan.io/plan/5XlSGpRBykZUGyjg - raidplan

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1TRqF03mJQNoYTibS0X1tURwyZTjghTUWnoF8c_r_tEA/edit#slide=id.g2a4b7d7e584_469_0 - ppt pres

https://wtfdig.info/71/chaotic - pick healer out

Basically healers are always on platforms and not on tiles so they can always ress

[fiery jewel]

Probably the intended strat

but the teleporters can be jank so I don't blame ppl for doing other

teleporting genuinely the hardest mech in the fight

[alpine plover]

And if someone was on tiles they get the teleporter and can go in, so it's always ok to take a ress

Unlike in all other strats

[fiery jewel]

but no healer out basically forces rdm / smn on ecah platform if not things can get ugly VERY QUICKLY

[alpine plover]

Yea

[fiery jewel]

that's why I'm like screw it just give pld a rez or smth

shit needing on codcar 😭

[alpine plover]

Once you do healer out once you realize how dogshit the other strats are

[fiery jewel]

aurelia is just dogshit

idk why aurelia help with healerout but their initial strat is awful

codcar is good but has some slight inconsistencies

healerout is just the best tho ye

[amber fable]

Its basically people getting used to early strats

And then not wanting to change

[fiery jewel]

aurelia still having melee brambles

and putting a fucking phys ranged on tiles

like are we serious rn

[sleek moon]

healerout was kinda early strat too, idr why people disliked it

i think unintuitive spots?

[amber fable]

Probably cuz tile peeps were dying

Or something

[fiery jewel]

phys ranged on tiles is insane greed

like these ppl should be on brambles EVERYTIME

😭

[amber fable]

What was bramble again?

The spread you drop

[fiery jewel]

like e9

u have to bait and then stretch a tether

to pop it

[amber fable]

Ohh

Right

[fiery jewel]

so if u are melee u have to go like 30y to pop it

lose like 4-6 gcds of uptime

and the dps check was somewhat legit on content

even now the dps check is still real tbf

it's not like extreme level dps check

if ppl are playing subpar u can see cleanish enrage

[amber fable]

I did some few weeks back

And we were killing it fairly okay

Was surprised the runs had no memes

3 pulls 3 clears

[fiery jewel]

if most of the party is above blue the boss will die pretty fast

ye

fastest kill I ever got was like 9:59

slowest enrage which is like 11:20

[amber fable]

What was suprising was how much melds affected dps

[fiery jewel]

they should just implement materia syncing as a feature

[amber fable]

I was doing 99% uptime and got diffed by 2k dps by other tank

[fiery jewel]

there is really no downside to sync materia to respective IL range

one of the easiest QoL change for battle system

[fiery jewel]

if you don't have BiS you are cooked unfortunately

not much u can do

[dapper zealot]

the downside is small indie company

[fiery jewel]

not syncing materia just screws over ppl

prob the biggest barrier to raiding is gearing unfort

would see way more casuals if they can rollup in effective BiS when content is not relevant anymore

but I think that's what eventually happens so it's wtv

[alpine plover]

b healers in healerout have it a bit harder

maybe that's why

or maybe it was unpolished

who knows

[tepid briar]

lol doing ultima weapon for roulette

[fiery jewel]

there's def some issues

[tepid briar]

poor gaius got cockblocked by hydaelyn so many times

[fiery jewel]

idk why it makes healers move for spreads instead of mobile jobs

that will just piss off healers

[alpine plover]

which spreads

[dapper zealot]

You put your healer in, you put your healer out. Put your tank in and you shake it all about.
You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. That’s what it’s all about.

[fiery jewel]

third art

but idk I would agree overall it's better strat

similar to codcar

[alpine plover]

it's not as bad once you try it

[fiery jewel]

might be harder to heal

for specific alliance

[alpine plover]

remember that in chaotic mechanics take quite a long ass time

[fiery jewel]

so that's an issue

for example if solo platform healer dies

during third art

the other ppl in that party are guarenteed dead

[alpine plover]

nah

u can heal both platforms with good play

[fiery jewel]

fr?

[alpine plover]

ast star, scholar fairy

bell

[fiery jewel]

most healer not doing that tho unfort

but ik what you mean

[alpine plover]

well yea

B healers do have it harder as i said

[fiery jewel]

codcar healers are prob the biggest reason why clears go wrong

[alpine plover]

but that's what makes it fun for me

[fiery jewel]

because they can't recover or mit/heal properly

[alpine plover]

i feel like an actual healer when i play chaotic

like in wow

[fiery jewel]

ye

[alpine plover]

instead of a green dps

like in savage

[fiery jewel]

it's actual skill check

for healers

the bleeds r nasty

deluge of darkness transition

ye that shit hit hard

whm 100 move destroys it tho

whm is op in codcar

[alpine plover]

yea it rewards healer good play

very satisfying

[fiery jewel]

supports have alot of impact

even dps have impact

since dps performing extremely well is almost as good as two subpar dps in content like this somehow

[alpine plover]

and also since we know that B healers can basically carry the run even if they have it harder

we put experienced healers on B

and run is pretty smooth

[fiery jewel]

I've seen dps put up like sub 10k in this content

so like 😭

ppl go through it sometimes

[fiery jewel]

ye

[amber fable]

Car dps check isnt tight actually

[alpine plover]

chaotic is more of a body check during important mechanics like towers at this point

[fiery jewel]

codcar dps check I wouldn't call tight

[amber fable]

You can eat dds and die and still clear

[fiery jewel]

but it is real

[alpine plover]

we cleared once with like

[fiery jewel]

compared to like doomtrain

that shit is a joke

[alpine plover]

11 deaths and 44 dds?

[fiery jewel]

especially since ppl are not rolling up with bis on content

[amber fable]

Just dont die during looming and towers

[fiery jewel]

it can be a real check

I've genuinely had clean enrages where I parse 100 and it's relatively clean

but just ppl not doing good dps

[amber fable]

Party eating shit will lead to it

[fiery jewel]

depends on skll level alot

[amber fable]

Not one or 2 folks

[fiery jewel]

this is popular entry level content

for casual players

like most ppl doing chaotic are just starting raiding

which is good

24 savage raiders will destroy the dps check

[alpine plover]

also for the clone pairs we put the B healer paired with a tank

because

[amber fable]

24 good players

[fiery jewel]

24 actual savage raiders

[alpine plover]

if need be, the tank can eat the pair alone

[fiery jewel]

would probably set a new record

since tbh

u can probably get like 9:30 rn on a speedkill

or something

maybe even 9:20

[alpine plover]

something not a lot of people know!

[fiery jewel]

but u need 24 speedkillers

but my best is like 9:59

[alpine plover]

cooking

[fiery jewel]

even melee

ye

even healer

healer can just self mit they are effective tanks in some scenarios

especially like white mage

[alpine plover]

yea but it's more realistic for a tank to eat it

alone

[fiery jewel]

ye

that's why I always put

feint + addle + rep on third art

way better than the shitty mini raid wide

since it can save ppl from dying

also 4 caster on tiles just cooks tbh

way more mitigation during that phase

consistent 10% magic will be noticeable

[visual geyser]

On a different note, the current outfit glamour system lets you add individual gear to fill out a set, but you can't remove individual items from that grouped state. That's something we plan to address, and we hope to demonstrate these improvements in the next Letter LIVE.

W

[valid solar]

my main issue with the outfit system is that its not possible to save a dye to a glamour when you use it on an outfit

[sinful brook]

My main issue is that they just sorta half do implementations every time and eat it up

[visual geyser]

Well there’s a reason for why it can’t save dyes

[sinful brook]

Just like how the housing limit increase wasn't even that big of an increase

[visual geyser]

Because the system is stripping down items to its most essential values to squeeze them all together

[sinful brook]

For outdoor pieces especially

[visual geyser]

But with the dye changes that’s pretty whatever

[sinful brook]

I do get it's like a data management and storage issue

But it's a bit silly innit

[visual geyser]

Keeping track of the dye values for 5 items would be a lot

Especially when you can dye 2 slots

[sinful brook]

Yeah but some of those 2nd slots are so insignificant

[visual geyser]

That’s a lot of data being stored

The fixed my main issue with the dye system so it won’t be to much of a hassle to add the dyes after

[sinful brook]

Yeah mb for not accounting for the tiny corner in a jacket dyeable being 2858374 extra mb on the player packet file

[visual geyser]

It’ll add up pretty quick

[finite plank]

they should make the pile of lakeland grass be bigger instead of a tiny square

can't even turn the ground blue on a small house

or was it purple, i forgot

[tough gorge]

purple yeah

[delicate jungle]

can i ask beginner questions about endgame stuff here or do i go to beginner lounge

[true beacon]

Shoot

No reason you can’t

There’s kinda a weird line splitting it anyways

[verbal whale]

why has 11 reclear PFs gotten so cringe?

[rapid whale]

cuz ppl who got by via ilvl are in the reclear section

[worn bluff]

mb i’m new…

[daring pine]

I mean..if it's endgame questions then this is the place to be

So go ahead

[zealous meteor]

at worst we'll tell you that this isn't the right channel

you won't get attacked for asking a question in the wrong channel

[delicate jungle]

im on the quest arcane artistry nad its asking me to deliver demiatma to gerolt. im following a guide for it and it says that i can get said demiatma from fates around the occult crescent. im doing the fates but im not getting demiatmas. do i have to do something to get them to drop or are they just rng

[versed kayak]

beginner only talks about endgame stuff for the mandatory weekly "ultimate talk in beginner lounge"

[versed kayak]

It's rng, 5% for FATEs, 20% for CEs, so try and do CEs too

[delicate jungle]

ok ty

[rapid whale]

that step unironically made me ragequit oc

cuz i had like idk 20 of some colors before i had even a single one of two

[worn bluff]

SE loves their RNG drops

[rapid whale]

spent enough time in there for like 2 sets of gear

and wasnt even close i eventually bit the bullet and just did fates in overworld

[jolly flume]

mfw xiv feels like it respects my time less than the predatory gambling addiction game

[rapid whale]

at least they dont make us gacha for cash shop items like in mobile

[jolly flume]

counterpoint

at least the mobile cash shop items look good

[rapid whale]

fuck

[jolly flume]

the hair...

it's so good...

[rapid whale]

not to mention th e hair having colission detection

so it never clips

i made myself sad again gg

[jolly flume]

let's hold hands and play monster hunter instead

[visual geyser]

Monster hunter slop

Monster stories peak 3 tho

[worn bluff]

i love monster hunter but for some reason i never feel like playing it

[visual geyser]

Because it’s bad

[daring pine]

no

[visual geyser]

Nah I liked wilds but not enough to keep up with endgame

[remote gate]

which monster hunter game is slop

and why is it monster hunter generations (not ultimate)

[worn bluff]

i played world for like 400 hours

but wilds didn’t go past main story

also didn’t go past story in rise

[visual geyser]

Once you played one you played em all

If you don’t love the formula there’s not really a reason to play more than 1

[jolly flume]

it's just

exactly what it says on the label

what do you do in monster hunter? hunt monsters

[wind cypress]

I tried it twice, the first was on the switch and the UI/Hud and information overload was so bad I never got into it. The second was on PC, I played it for a little while using lance/shield which felt reasonably OP but it never grabbed me like other games

[visual geyser]

The ui of monster hunter might actually be worse than ff14

[remote gate]

in monster hunter generations the first three stars of village are 90% gathering quests

why devs choose to do this baffles me to this day

[worn bluff]

well that's the thing. i do love the formula and spent tons of time on world

but for some reason wilds didn't stick with me

co op play with cool glams you can grind for is just up my alley

[jolly flume]

a lot of the monsters in wilds just don't really vibe with me

some of them do and they're amazing but on the other side of the coin you have uth dunaslop

[visual geyser]

I didn’t like the switch to open world

And I didn’t like seikret autopathing

Even though I used it the entire time

[valid solar]

wilds be like: did you bring a shield or LS ? no ? fuck you

[jolly flume]

wym bro

paralysis cb + mash triangle

or circle idk I don't play controller

[valid solar]

cb is a weapon with a shield

[visual geyser]

Real

[jolly flume]

ok thats fair but you also never had to use it

[visual geyser]

Is hammer still bad

[jolly flume]

between paralysis procs and wound flinch being like infinite

[visual geyser]

I switched to SA anyway

[valid solar]

actually wait I take it back, SA got buffed like a few months ago and the counter is kinda peak now

[visual geyser]

Oh the offset!?

I forgot it had one

That shi was so impossible to time lmao

[valid solar]

they made it so that you can cancel the counter attack with a hop, so you can immediately counter again instead of getting your face caved in while counter attacking

no, not the offset, the sword mode counter

[visual geyser]

OHHH

Yea I remember now

[jolly flume]

she fully release on my sword till I slash

I always wanted to learn swaxe but I kind of just never did

[valid solar]

isnt it kinda funny how CB meta moved away from SAED spam and into using the savage axe while switchaxe moved from using the sword moveset into spamming FRS

[jolly flume]

savage axe is so boring man

[visual geyser]

Swale is fun but FRS spam lol

[jolly flume]

it felt like playing ls

[worn bluff]

pizza cutter looks cool at least

[jolly flume]

you just spam the same combo over and over and over and over

except you dont even get

helmbreaker

so what's the point

[visual geyser]

Damn what about hammer tho

[worn bluff]

wait is pizza cutter mode just fell cleave spam

[jolly flume]

yes

[worn bluff]

it's just warrior

[visual geyser]

Yes it is

[worn bluff]

the monsters in world were more memorable to me

namielle

[jolly flume]

my friend is like

[valid solar]

namielle weapon designs were cool

[jolly flume]

rank 1 namielle glazer

[worn bluff]

that's me

[jolly flume]

I think he likes namielle guys

[valid solar]

I love the namielle LS design, its colorful on one side of the blade and pitch black on the other

[worn bluff]

[valid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/umazing-its-umazing-its-it's-trainer-gif-1252865256176725013

[worn bluff]

also the female namielle armor was very splatoon

[rapid whale]

on a scale of 1-10, 10 being 100%, how deserved is a suspension for log shaming someone in novicew network

im thinking 20

[zealous meteor]

definitely 20 yes

maybe even 21

[jolly flume]

67

can't believe bapple would out me like that though

he said I suck

[visual geyser]

Guys who wants to read the 8.0 leak

It’s on 4chan and therefore 100% tru

[rapid whale]

does whats their name become our waifu

[worn bluff]

"your opener was all wrong, and you didn't align with raid buffs"
"i just bought this game an hour ago???"

[jolly flume]

maybe the lesbian can opener strat referred to finding lesbians that can do their opener

[wind cypress]

99 parsers are the naked dark souls no hit speed runners xD

[jolly flume]

I think nohitting dark souls is a lot harder than rolling your gcd

but ffxiv players might just prove me wrong

[worn bluff]

yeah i've gotten 99s and am pretty trash at almost every game

including FF

[steep narwhal]

ive retired

[jolly flume]

https://tenor.com/view/airstike-cat-airstrike-gif-6861012615660560664

[steep narwhal]

havent u retired

[jolly flume]

from what

xiv?

im geriatric and dogshit but I still play it when people ask me to

I haven't logged into wuwa in 2 weeks though and it might stay that way

[rapid whale]

what did you call me

[jolly flume]

you heard him

now strip

[visual geyser]

Stop acting tsundere

U love ff14

[steep narwhal]

[jade nimbus]

Damn, what are the jobs

I totally trust it

[jolly flume]

[sleek moon]

not even for denia

[jolly flume]

sigrika's cuter...

[visual geyser]

@jade nimbus

[sleek moon]

this is how i know its fake

[wicked delta]

Hes like 50 years old do you really want to see that

[sleek moon]

dont have to read further

[jolly flume]

ok look I would absolutely fucking love that healer concept

but it's not happening

[jade nimbus]

actually interesting healer design
are they even trying smh

[worn bluff]

Plot hook: Y'shtola...

fuck off

[jade nimbus]

No, that one is the most believable part

[worn bluff]

yeah it is but

please no

[zealous meteor]

plot hook isn't alphinaud or alisaie, unrealistic, 0/10 bait

[visual geyser]

Fact

We also aren’t getting a healer next expansion

[valid solar]

I dont believe the leaks for one second but if the phyrsanged actually uses a crossbow I might end it all

surely SE is more creative than that

[visual geyser]

Idk man this expansion they did 2 swords

[valid solar]

yeah but they also did painter

[remote gate]

can we get an australian inspired job

[visual geyser]

That’s what the crossbow is for l o l

[remote gate]

i need to run around in this type of fit

[valid solar]

viper shouldve leaned into the snake theme more, what are snakes known for ? their venom, how many DoT's does viper have ? 0

[jolly flume]

bro

what do you think noxious gnash was

😭

THEY REMOVED THAT SHIT

[wind cypress]

the ability to use all your skills in low level content would be nice, would make mentor roulette less painfun

[remote gate]

actually it had a dot when it was released 🤓

[valid solar]

it wasnt a dot, that was just deaths design 2

it didnt deal damage

[jolly flume]

[valid solar]

it was called noxious but it wasnt a dot

[jolly flume]

close enough

[remote gate]

why did they remove that shit

[valid solar]

also can we talk about how they removed noxious gash even though it was part of the melee combo, but deaths design being a completely separate button gets to stay

what is the logic behind that

its bad on vpr but good on rpr ???

[remote gate]

like i remember it being in the game for like a week and then it was removed

[valid solar]

it was there for 3 weeks iirc

[remote gate]

3 weeks felt like a week to me jfc 🙃

[valid solar]

2 or 3 I dont recall

but longer than 1

[remote gate]

was it really that bad

[worn bluff]

diablo style job reveal

introducing.... MAGE

[valid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/umazing-its-umazing-its-it's-trainer-gif-1252865256176725013