whatever you press first will go off and delay the other
#endgame-lounge
jolly flume
wind cypress
hm, so best to use gcd -> then press ogcd mit after which wouldn't delay your next gcd?
uncut pebble
im pretty sure
the damage snapshotted
on the tick that thrill went off or before it went off
jolly flume
or just mit before you get so late in the gcd roll that you're in danger of clipping your next skill lol
uncut pebble
bc his last hp was just shield + health bar increase but not filled)
jolly flume
even your shortest mit covers 2 gcds
uncut pebble
flow wouldnt had expired yeah
if they weaved it another gcd back
if you really wanted to weave upheval there he couldve just done like
damnation bloodwhetting gcd upheval thrill
jolly flume
everything lasts 15 seconds and even bw lasts 8, they don't need the 4s portion to live
it's like when mfs complain about weaving mit during gnb burst
bruh your buttons cover your entire window just mit earlier
valid solar
why do they need to fly now
visual geyser
airports are cooked
uncut pebble
msp on top
visual geyser
partial governemnt shutdown means airport people claled out of work
so the lines are long asf
how long this game gonna last
whole estuary
8 months - 1 year is the big hurdle I think
whole estuary
That's when they decide "okay we've harvested peoples' wallets using new release hype, time to decide whether to keep it going or do the same thing with another short-life mobile game"
it's like that movie The Producers where they discover they can make more money by producing plays that fail instead of succeed
zealous meteor
X account
man
whole estuary
> X account
man
the one right below it is "Community X"
zealous meteor
loud nymph
how long this game gonna last
6 months tops
whole estuary
I heard that the characters and their skills are separate gachas
Maybe similar to having characters and gear in separate gachas, but both are scummy practices
craggy marsh
I mean this is why you show up 2-3 hours early for your flight
Sometimes more if you have knowledge in advance of long lines
dreamy whale
how long this game gonna last
6 months because they only got 10 characters and most of them aren’t mainstays
WoL, Kain, Krile, Terra, Cloud, Rinoa, Zidane, Lightning, Gaia, Prompto
Rinoa over squall is diabolical 
No 12 rep
true beacon
partial governemnt shutdown means airport people claled out of work
Only the actual TSA, rest of us vendor people still work
Also my airport doesn’t have Them so it’s better
visual geyser
Also my airport doesn’t have **Them** so it’s better
Thank god lol
visual geyser
No 12 rep <:coldshouldah:1191076658191548526>
Baltheir is in
I saw him im pretty sure
dreamy whale
Ah
dreamy whale
damn still no bad guys tho
trim frost
they tiktok beauty filtered him
jade nimbus
onion knight rikku balthier clive iroha firion
They were all shown btw
trim frost
oh ok
boreal pumice
i did have to double check myself thinking iroha might of been fang just from the spear
jade nimbus
midnight furnace
Can a PCT Main check this analysis for me?
Its for M10S
I got 31k with a very low gray parse
Really worried if i just suck at PCT or if its something else
midnight furnace
So i gotta slot in Hammer in the window?
rapid whale
yes
midnight furnace
Damn its rougher than i thought
midnight furnace
I tend to save that for movement so now its gonna get a lil more hard i see
slender lichen
the xivanalysis literally says everything there
valid solar
you also only has 90% uptime which is like really bad
jolly flume
you keep painting shit in buffs too
midnight furnace
Hum maybe PCT isnt for me then, since my ping isnt the best
jolly flume
the ping is not the reason you're dropping things out of buffs
jolly flume
you're just pressing the wrong buttons in starry
midnight furnace
Can i get it in if i adjust even if i have bad ping?
midnight furnace
you're just pressing the wrong buttons in starry
Hum guess its back to the study board with me
At least its still salvageable... hopefully
jolly flume
play 2.48/9 and you will land everything if you don't clip
again though you still have to press the right buttons in buffs for that to matter
midnight furnace
Im gonna see if can adjust and not clip, thanks for laying ot out on me guys
Appreciate it
midnight furnace
Yeah, so i was like, man im doing catastrophically bad
slender lichen
if you do a fight enough you'll learn the gcds
tulip wraith
1.7% enrage im so washed 
i made so many mistakes tonight
i keep thinking stack 1 in ID is light party 1
rapid whale
on m10s in particular
u can easily do over 45k on pct
31k is very very low yes
my alt in full crafted (as in less than wk1 gear) was doing around 38k
rapid whale
have you looked at the balance?
midnight furnace
Yeah im doing it now
rapid whale
cuz not putting hammers into your burst sounds like "i didnt research at all"
raw sand
midnight furnace
Yeah i had a bad assumption
I thought that Hammers werent being used there since it was being used for movement mostly
devout wraith
for criterion advanced during the darya fight, does anyone know if the tether assignment pairs are pure rng or not?
dreamy whale
rapid whale
lmfao
midnight furnace
Damn
sleek moon
Gib pog
mossy eagle
ok legit question. Why is two way fireball so hard for the inside people?
I feel like outside people collapse nicely W/E on their respective tether sides and then it's just a mad house inside the hitbox.
grand mesa
ok legit question. Why is two way fireball so hard for the inside people?
It's very hard for people to internalize one person in + one person right outside of hitbox
4fold is much easier
bc you have everyone in every corner just go inside\
and everyone outside just be on out
jolly flume
the bait positions for the puddle people are kinda only arbitrarily related to your position for 2/4 which is already somewhat confusing then it devolves into a mess of eyeballs+guessing if you're going to get murdered or not because that's just what happens when you put 4 people in a small confined space
also ngl
I think people just struggle to orient in that mechanic
grand mesa
yeah
i think
if it's fixed
it's just a mix of people not understanding their roles
and thus either not baiting or baiting shit they shouldn't need to
so people wipe to it
worn bluff
idk i'm a tank but
with fixed isn't it melees in or something?
so on your side of the arena shouldn't you know if you're inside or outside hitbox?
sleek moon
Are the 2 person towers always on different sides of the arena? Or can they both be east
sleek moon
I'm always a tether person so I never bothered learning that strat
worn bluff
there's like what, almost 15 seconds from towers going off to fireball?
so you have that long to figure out where to stand in the middle?
i know the 2 vs 4 cast doesn't start until later but surely there's some way to preposition to make it clearer idk
grand mesa
but would think there's a prio?
theres always 1 melee and one ranged on one side
with 2
you have the melee be closer in
tepid briar
I'll clear m9s eventually
my iinact was broke so I couldn't upload the last few hours tho... oh well
I can only do so much damage as a healer though 
proven pivot
I can only do so much damage as a healer though <:AAAA:857636890180976640>
M9s is lowkey hell as a healer but if my dumbass can clear it (multiple times) you can
I still die to bats sometimes cuz its a rigged rng mechanic (my brain shuts off when i try to recognize the pattern)
rapid whale
the trick is to just back way way up and go in after 2nd bats pop
avoid the incoming back, go in on same area it popped
so if it pops at like say 5 o clock, chill out at like 6 or 3 and then go back down to 5
tulip wraith
i need to run a sim a few more times cause im too upid
tether resolves and positioning after tower resolve is fucking with my head too much
tepid briar
M9s is lowkey hell as a healer but if my dumbass can clear it (multiple times) y...
I'm joining non-duty complete parties tho so that might be a cause
I couldn't upload today's runs unfortunately to check people's dps
proven pivot
the trick is to just back way way up and go in after 2nd bats pop
That’s what i do, i stay near the edge and if it’s near me then i stay still, then when the next one is near i fuck up and dont know whether to go in front or behind it
Wait i dont do what you said
There’s a vid on youtube explaining the patterns but like it makes no damn sense
tulip wraith
just position yourself so youre in back corner and so 2nd bat will always be to your left or right to give enough room to bait it, then cleanse yours right on top of where 2nd bat popped
or run straight if you wont clip anyone
proven pivot
or run straight if you wont clip anyone
I think i developed a habit where the players near me, usually a caster or phys1 just GREED
Like yeah you won’t clip anyone but i’ll die to the aoe
tepid briar
I used to have issues with bats but not as much anymore
unless I'm dumb and clip myself
proven pivot
But i’ll watch clear videos and try to see what you guys are saying ty
tulip wraith
shouldn't all ranged be in each corner?
then melee and tank do their weird almost instant pop
i could be wrong, all i know is H1 and H2 are in bottom corners
i kinda zone out everyone else
proven pivot
Yeah and ranged dps are in the top corners
proven pivot
i kinda zone out everyone else
No you’re right i’m tripping
Then it’s the melee next to me not doing the instant pop idk
But yeah i know the fight like the back of my hand except for bats
finite plank
you're either popping intercard or cardinal
that's it for ranged
same applies to melee but they pop it before or after first bats of their choosing
the faster they pop it, the faster they get back into boss melee range
you pop it on the outside as ranged
alpine plover
if you clip the melee with your aoe as a ranged/healer
it's your fault
you don't lose anything for popping your stuff late
melees are actively griefing the later they pop
proven pivot
I never clip anyone it’s the opposite, i’m afraid of clipping melees that i wait out til the 3rd bat gets my ass
alpine plover
then it's a pf issue as always 
wicked delta
You never have to take blame if you’re cute
Which is why I have never done anything wrong
daring pine
I didn't fail any mechs but we kept enraging at 15
which fight?
tepid briar
m9s
daring pine
damn
daring pine
i would expect my party to know their rotation if we’re aiming to clear a savage floor
shrug
tepid briar
I'll ask my FC tomorrow to run with me if they're open
tepid briar
anyway I'll ask around tomorrow
tepid briar
I'm hovering around 90% uptime which isn't bad but could be improved, my aero uptime sucks tho cause I keep forgetting
daring pine
i’m assuming it was sanguine scratch
either that or hiac
90% is clearable but yea def try to improve it
tepid briar
we always had one or two die to bats pt 2...
and yeah people would always die to deathmatch
tepid briar
hiac for this last pf was really clean for the last few pulls
daring pine
ahh
tepid briar
it's not hard once you know how to do it
daring pine
so it was deathmatch deaths
tepid briar
yeah but 15% is a lot more than just a few deaths
thin tartan
hmmm
daring pine
yea
thin tartan
hit button harder
daring pine
probably a few DDs in there too
wicked delta
you mean it was inact-ive?
tepid briar
I mean again an earlier pf had picto at bottom DPS (back when my iinact was working)
so some people's rotations might be off
tepid briar
like lower than the healers...
tepid briar
it was a chill prog pf but still
daring pine
tepid briar
unironically need a clear so I can join duty complete pfs
tepid briar
whm
thin tartan
oh my fucking god and i was praying in my mind dont say whm
tepid briar
tyty I'll lyk if I need help, my FC should be able to help
daring pine
lool
daring pine
tyty I'll lyk if I need help, my FC should be able to help
hmu if u need prange or caster
tepid briar
hmu if u need prange or caster
tyty
thin tartan
ic .
tepid briar
but it can only do so much
tepid briar
I'll prob learn scholar or sage next
thin tartan
i think this is a whm thing not vieras
daring pine
not you though
tepid briar
I told my pf to take break and get snack
daring pine
very good
daring pine
i think this is a whm thing not vieras
i know a 40 year old french dude that plays whm on a skimpy femra and he has like 5 billion macros so idk
whm population is
diverse
daring pine
like
no
you know how some tanks will use macros for buddy mit/shirk
and they’ll put the macros next to the party list
tepid briar
are they a clicker
daring pine
not particularly
tepid briar
hm
daring pine
my gf does it on drk
tepid briar
I used to be a party list clicker before I got my MMO mouse
daring pine
I used to be a party list clicker before I got my MMO mouse
basically
yes you click the macros but it saves you having to target the party member
and then the boss again
tepid briar
makes sense
daring pine
anyway my whm buddy does that with certain heals
pretty neat actually
esuna for example
tepid briar
I could see it being useful for like
doornail phase
where tab targeting is a huge pain
tepid briar
speaking of tab targeting
it's so dumb
I can't tab target something I'm not looking at
daring pine
why did that bungy have an oranj
tepid briar
and apparently that includes if I can't see vamp's head or smth
daring pine
tf
anyway is there anything in the fight ur having trouble with
deathmatch is a common one
tepid briar
not really lol
daring pine
ok awesome
tepid briar
it's just the rest of the pf
tepid briar
and hoping I don't somehow get clipped by the blades on adds 2 phase
thin tartan
spriggna bunny spriggan
daring pine
for deathmatch i just hug the rim of the boss hitbox
tepid briar
for deathmatch i just hug the rim of the boss hitbox
yea that's what I heard
daring pine
if its donut i move
tepid briar
small steps
daring pine
if its aoe i dont move
tepid briar
and 1 big step
tepid briar
once you learn it, it's not bad
but you have to break the habit from normal fights
took awhile to break the habit of not just standing on the edge of the pie
daring pine
yeah
tepid briar
and though I can do my rotation
daring pine
then the sanguine scratch after that (the cleaves) is even easier because no bats
tepid briar
I don't have the bandwidth to check party list to heal
daring pine
took awhile to break the habit of not just standing on the edge of the pie
i had to break that habit too
tepid briar
then the sanguine scratch after that (the cleaves) is even easier because no bat...
lol that one is a cakewalk
tepid briar
free jiggles
tepid briar
there's always like one person who never learns bats tho
daring pine
this is the people in my pfs
thin tartan
mb
daring pine
there's always like one person who never learns bats tho
one person who fucks up aetherletting like an absolute neanderthal
daring pine
in my 9s reclear with my static yesterday someone fucked up flail
why
these stupid melees
daring pine
i got a dd on coffin because i was too zoomed in
tepid briar
one person who fucks up aetherletting like an absolute neanderthal
I've dropped it badly a few times only because I run forward too soon
daring pine
lol
tepid briar
but if you can't stand on the line idk bro
daring pine
I've dropped it badly a few times only because I run forward too soon
static reclears were so depressing
m9s was ok
m10s was..eeeh
m11s was um
we called it an early night after
daring pine
:)
we were all playing like shit and we have no idea why
but last week we locked tf in
tepid briar
daring pine
daring pine
sleep well little bunny
tepid briar
gn may your clears be quick and your rolls lucky
daring pine
i already recleared
tepid briar
okay then
daring pine
no need for lucky rolls because we have a gear spreadsheet
tepid briar
may you find a pf paying 5m
tepid briar
but 5m :D
tepid briar
seems reasonable
daring pine
no its not
daring pine
first floor took me 27 pulls last tier
this first floor isn’t particularly hard either
tepid briar
at least ten hours, probably more
daring pine
but ooh my god pf cannot do hiac or deathmatch
daring pine
is this ur first tier
tepid briar
yes
daring pine
yea makes sense
daring pine
last tier was my first
5s was like 27, 6s was 100, 7s was 80 something
M8S was..337?
daring pine
the rest is just staring at pf...
pf is evil
alpine plover
tepid briar
how do I count pulls
alpine plover
gulp
tepid briar
is there a way to check on fflogs
rapid whale
first floor took me 27 pulls last tier
didnt you start off patch tho
tepid briar
I only have 36 pulls uploaded
rapid whale
so it makes sense it was shorter
alpine plover
there was a graph on tomestone
but i forgot how to go there
oh Encounter Progression and select the raid
tepid briar
81 pull count
4.83% kekw
oh wait no that's enrage %
yeah that's as low as we got
I thought it said my parse was 5%
tepid briar
3 times
52% gcd uptime
idk what their true uptime is tho cause sometimes we left the bodies on the ground for awhile
rapid whale
was it
daring pine
half of the pulls were adds
daring pine
oh my eyes
tepid briar
Even sch is sus
prog pf so makes sense
everyone's first tier prob
including mine
16k kinda sucks
(really sucks)
daring pine
tithus kitty
alpine plover
so now imagine that this was with crafted gear
daring pine
you should check my first m9
alpine plover
alpine plover
not wrong
alpine plover
or merc
amber fable
3rd yes
rapid whale
i think 1st fanfest is teaser on next xpac, 2nd is teaser on 1st job? and last full reveal
but they do that whole super sneaky stuff
lyric summit
wicked delta
Anyone want a free hug
rapid whale
im gonna yearn
wicked delta
yes please
daring pine
ur a beautiful bnuy bro
rapid whale
it's a duck
dapper zealot
quack
shadow pilot
quack
loud swift
🦆
kind elm
<@212281772724060160> wake up
gwuh
kind elm
I used to be a party list clicker before I got my MMO mouse
this what i do
tired egret
proven pivot
this what i do
Is this a setting or plogon
kind elm
just hotbars
just moved hotbars next to my party list
made them vertical
made macros for each party member
proven pivot
Damn that’s really smart
loud swift
this what i do
I should do that
im super used to just clicking the person and pressing the button after
wicked delta
Originally from shljiiii on Twitter
remote gate
chat is this real
jolly flume
the real way to do uwu is to load up a better fight
grand mesa
mb
sick reef
chat how do dots work with dmg amps? if a dmg amp is applied during the dot timer does it amp dot dmg? or does dot need to be freshly added after dmg amps?
jolly flume
the stats are checked when you first cast the dot and they are not updated again until you cast it again
the only exceptions to this are debuffs on the enemy
sick reef
i see very cool thank u chiyo egyptian arc
sick reef
the only exceptions to this are debuffs on the enemy
so debuffs = dmg amp to dot?
jolly flume
yeah
sick reef
fascinating
loud nymph
oh do dots not snapshot enemy debuffs, only player buffs? I did not actually realize that
clear plume
The exception is ground effects like salted earth, who checks buffs on cast, but debuffs on damage, most dots still check debuffs only on activation and keep doing that damage
Chiyo probably confusing that
Doton/salted earth is quirky like that
loud nymph
yeah I knew about the ground aoes checking every tick, that's why I was confused haha
worn bluff
smh chiyo spreading misinformation
jolly flume
mb I didn't open the game for two weeks and all my game knowledge has left my skull
dreading reclears tomorrow where I forget where my broil button is
deep gale
(I switched his broil and physick buttons)
jolly flume
broil is unbound then
yw for hold team
I've always wondered how high I could parse pressing exclusively ruin 2 in place of broil
my gut says high blue
deep gale
buff jobs be like how badly can I play and still purple
Broil is what 320 and ruin ii is 220?
clear plume
The “orange is just rng” crowd would shudder in fear at my buff job medians
jolly flume
I hit the entire party with an aoe in aetherletting and we still got like 5/8 99s one week
that was just the 8:30 hold
clear plume
Like current, not even a week 2 historical type beat
deep gale
r1 sch on vamp fatale would drop to ~18.5k rdps using only ruin ii if my google calculator math is right
Which is a green
But I feel like I did something wrong
jolly flume
18.5 seems low
like on a quick sanity check I'd be dropping ~4k dps from the broil portion of my dps here no?
robust shoal
I got a 99 with two deaths in e9s
clear plume
Are you looking at ndps, dividing the difference of potency, and re adding the rdps feed
robust shoal
first floors just hit different
clear plume
Bc you really have to just look at broil
deep gale
Ruin II is roughly 69% of the potency of Broil IV
jolly flume
nice
deep gale
nice
zealous meteor
nice
deep gale
so 13k becomes 9k
clear plume
Well you can just do broil damage x .6875
deep gale
Yeah r1 sch log lost 5k from that math
jolly flume
-4k from my random 99 log is just above 20k
which I'm not sure but I'd think that's blue ish
deep gale
jolly flume
just barely median give or take
deep gale
Oh im a fool LMAO
jolly flume
what in the screenshot
jolly flume
ok well the median is 20.1 so
zealous meteor
just barely median give or take
Scholar
DPS
Maxim
Upper
Median
Lower
Minim
thank you chiyo
jolly flume
theoretically I could blue
deep gale
r1 becomes 22k not 18.5k so yeah
deep gale
please report back o7
jolly flume
physical ranged scholar
deep gale
how will you ever clear the floor 1 dps check now
tall field
uncut pebble
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/mwbG3LgXrNx8CBad?fight=15&type=damage-done
"bard sucks" 
https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205
worn bluff
My rpr has a 99 with 3 damage downs
more surprised that there were 100+ RPR players for a 99 to exist
robust shoal
shoutout to my top rdm for getting a purple with r2
(she got r1 later)
granted when we cleared I was the only one without an asterisk for too few parses for that job
jolly flume
100% pickrate job moment
thin tartan
clear plume
"bard sucks" <:MCH:1277727037540532385>
Why tf would I play a job I hate in casual reclears
I’m gonna play the fun prange when there is no consequence for doing so.
worn bluff
what if i hate all the jobs
loud nymph
what if i hate all the jobs
are you me
loud nymph
fuck that I'm playing mass effect again
jolly flume
I don't think I even finished the TWW story last time I played
god how the fuck did wow get another expansion already
I think I was playing tww in the lead up to cruiserweight
loud nymph
god how the fuck did wow get another expansion already
because blizzard actually releases content at a reasonable rate
jolly flume
ffxiv is some ASS man
tepid briar
clear plume
I think I was playing tww in the lead up to cruiserweight
They kept the 2 year expack cycle ffxiv abandoned
They used to alternate years
Back in my day
uncut pebble
Why tf would I play a job I hate in casual reclears
i didn't post the version with the gem
shy obsidian
confideant
fierce matrix
jolly flume
I once put up a dsr pf with the same description that watashia uses word for word and he joined within two minutes
jolly flume
he's always watching
fierce matrix
Bro senses a disturbance in the force
My friend got bitched at for using his 30% in p5 cause he wasnt sure if he was skipping the cleaves
Poor healer who has to maybe press one more GCD
For the first buster of P6
Im pretty sure you can apply it during transition before they are even targetable and itll catch anyways
Shield that is
jolly flume
yea its about 19s to the wyrmsbreath instance from targetable
I pink parsed my exam raaaahhh
now I can go back to not studying
visual geyser
ffxiv is some ASS man
BOOTY
fierce matrix
I pink parsed my exam raaaahhh
IM SO PROUD OF YOU 
fierce matrix
99 is an A+
dreamy whale
Give or take how long from the end of base dt will it take to get to demon thomas
dreamy whale
Epix
dreamy whale
I need the ex weapon for my pre-tomes prog bis
tulip wraith
it took me like 4ish hours per msq patch not skipping, so id say 4-6 for all patches while skipping everything feels right
dapper zealot
Highly recommend not skipping 7.2-4
tulip wraith
im pretty sure they already skipped all of dt
tall ore
There’s that puzzle part in 7.3 which takes a bit of time
dapper zealot
The only part of that that takes time is all the walking around
dreamy whale
Yea I skipped the entirety of dt
remote gate
many such cases
dreamy whale
I stuck with it for about 4 hours and it didn’t grab me like the other expansions
remote gate
chat dont destroy me for saying this but
youre completely fine skipping dt because the msq was mind-numbing
deep gale
remote gate
im fucking dead now thanks
jolly flume
remote gate
when can we give our final impressions on dt and say how we truly felt about it
7.55 or after 7.55 part 2
zealous meteor
youre completely fine skipping dt because the msq was mind-numbing
you fought well, but it's time to say goodbye
remote gate
you fought well, but it's time to say goodbye
<:chkchk_e8:851088599826300929>
nice argument however I am playing cavalry
robust shoal
I treat X.0 and X.1-X.5 as their own things
tall ore
I mean technically 7.4 and .55 should be setting up 8.0 but so far that’s isn’t really happening
robust shoal
4.0 sucks but 4.X is my second-favorite stretch of MSQ
tall ore
X.0 - x.3 has typically been the main story with .4 and .5 setting up the next expac but we kinda stopped doing that in ew
wind cypress
has no info has been sent about 8.0 yet? people like t make youtubes on it but I've been ignoring them because I assume they're all just speculation
robust shoal
right
boreal pumice
only info we have is some data mine mount 
it may or may not be a thing
tall ore
It’s just guessing and looking at vague translated interviews
remote gate
no context review
7.0: yawntrail
7.1: watch a guy crash out about a cow and suddenly we are now resident evil?
7.2: toxic yuri is too much for me
7.3: holy shit no way something happened???
7.4: who knew trains could be absolute cinema
tall ore
I swear to god if we ignore that key for a whole expac im gonna crash out
robust shoal
7.x proved the thing every fight needs is a lalafell yelling about what's happening
tall ore
Egads
boreal pumice
sphene = lala
queen raft
Miqote female voice 5 is the best voice in the game
robust shoal
true
visual geyser
when can we give our final impressions on dt and say how we truly felt about it
I mean DT story is finished lol
DT story ended 7.3
robust shoal
I can always tell when there's another voice 5 miqo in my party
queen raft
I can always tell when there's another voice 5 miqo in my party
My reaper miqote has voice 5
robust shoal
boreal pumice
least its not the granny viera voice
queen raft
DT story ended 7.3
||Think Calyx and Halmarut will play a role in 8.0?||
jolly flume
7.x proved the thing every fight needs is a lalafell yelling about what's happen...
so true
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF BRAIN
zealous meteor
I can always tell when there's another voice 5 miqo in my party
waow
clear plume
8.0 we are going to Ala mhigo again but above it where there was hidden floating islands made by the allagans this entire time
And then we will use a teleporter there to get to mercadia
jolly flume
I don't care what happens as long as halmarut is there 
clear plume
She dies in 7.5 it’s what reveals the sky gardens above Ala mhigo to us
proper cave
https://youtu.be/7F9_39ZCmGA
quick verge
7.x proved the thing every fight needs is a lalafell yelling about what's happen...
that shit is so peak
worn bluff
https://youtu.be/7F9_39ZCmGA
ngl i always assumed that was a lala voice
worn bluff
just sim in your head
tulip wraith
rapid whale
if you think about it anxiety is like simming bad outcomes in your head
mossy eagle
Professional development is just career prog
jolly flume
we need ffxiv linkedin
worn bluff
casual static looking for members. 8 years prior experience and masters degree required
worn bluff
fiery jewel
tetsuya nomura needs to write 9.0
turbid haven
Anyone threw the idea of Commander Tank for 8.0?
Spear/Flag weapon, summon troops to fight for you
fiery jewel
anything that isn't another sword tank or 1min burst tank is fine
but I think a war general tank is a great idea yea
turbid haven
I think that idea is really cool, summon archers for your ranged ability, shield tanks for mitigations, melee's for your rotation
fiery jewel
I know people are opposed to raidbuff tank, but a tank buffing the party makes more sense than certain dps like reaper or dragoon.
fiery jewel
nah I main them they are the coolest
worn bluff
they might do raidbuff tank just to have something different
uncut pebble
we need ffxiv linkedin
do i open ao3 again
fiery jewel
but do ppl play maiming for the raidbuff not really just the aesthetic
jolly flume
anything that isn't another sword tank or 1min burst tank is fine
"not another 1m burst tank" does he know
fiery jewel
they might do raidbuff tank just to have something different
like the OP said
war general tank could cook ngl
turbid haven
loud swift
but do ppl play maiming for the raidbuff not really just the aesthetic
dragoon is one of the coolest jobs ever
dragons are cool
lances are cool
fiery jewel
in final fantasy dragoon is the coolest besides ninja prob
loud swift
backflipping is cool
turbid haven
fiery jewel
ffxiv iteration of dragoon is awful gameplay wise
completely boring
ninja has a way better iteration
fiery jewel
ye
Idk if they will do summons
but a tank that acts similar to bard or hunting horn from MH would be cool
turbid haven
LET ME COOK, get a stack of promotion to promote 3 classes, archer, shield, melee.
fiery jewel
the issue is they aren't likely to do summons again
even though they can absolutely make it work they just don't care enough
loud swift
but a tank that acts similar to bard or hunting horn from MH would be cool
i honestly thought maybe a weapon like chargeblade or switch axe would be cool
for a tank
loud swift
cuz they showed with viper that they arent afraid of making a weapon that turns into another
fiery jewel
sword tank
or 1min burst slop
because all the tanks are 1min burst slop rn unfortunately
besides gnb kind of
jolly flume
gnb literally just got turned into 1mslop
loud swift
yeah
jolly flume
it happened this patch
fiery jewel
still less than a job like drk tbf
loud swift
i thought dark knight was the only one who wasnt 1min
jolly flume
enlightenment is realizing jobs in xiv aren't fun in general
fiery jewel
ye tank design is cooked rn
jolly flume
and you should play wow
fiery jewel
enlightenment is realizing jobs in xiv aren't fun in general
nah
I mean just make more jobs like ninja and bard
jolly flume
ninja is not fun
fiery jewel
actual fun jobs with identity
jolly flume
bard is fun if you're an adhd child who likes flashing lights
fiery jewel
it's just hard so nobody plays it
loud swift
xiv isnt fun play vii instead
fiery jewel
atleast ninja has identity with the mudra system
fiery jewel
but I think saying no jobs are fun is wild tho
dull drum
i mean they arent
fiery jewel
to an extent yes
because the combat is unfun
but some jobs are clearly more fun and interesting than others
dull drum
ask the entire healer playerbase if they think their dps rotation is fun
111111111111111111111111
fiery jewel
dps is the most fun role
dull drum
and the 2s
fiery jewel
that's why everyone plays tbf
nobody wants to heal or tank this is not pvp shit is boring
fiery jewel
ye
fiery jewel
a halberd job would cook
tank should be melee
ranged tank can't really exist
I mean they can
but they would still be in melee range most of the fight
I do think we should get more melee-ranged hybrid jobs
jolly flume
but some jobs are clearly more fun and interesting than others
some farts smell less bad than others too, do any of them smell good though
fiery jewel
but VPR is not the correct way to implement it
jolly flume
actually don't answer that question
jolly flume
good thing stella isnt here to answer !
fiery jewel
idk I assume combat gets reworked a bit fundamentally for 8.0
but that's copium
because the actual combat system is the main issue
trim frost
reworked based on what
worn bluff
there is already a ranged hybrid tank
trim frost
sure but the high apm has to feel rewarding
fiery jewel
they should allow anim cancelling, triple weaving normalized for some jobs.
loud swift
ping
trim frost
wdym anim cancel
fiery jewel
also should clipping even be a thing
not really
I think clipping is fundamentally a stupid idea
oGCD and GCD they just shouldn't interact with eachother rlly
worn bluff
job with a 3s GCD
clear plume
There is zero percent chance that happens
fiery jewel
prob
idk how ppl think clipping is a good system tho
genuinely just boring
I don't want full uptime but I shouldn't be losing downtime at all when I'm in melee range with already limited combat
clear plume
?
trim frost
just dont clip
rapid whale
Anyone threw the idea of Commander Tank for 8.0?
this is giving "2min buffer tank"
fiery jewel
clipping fundamentally boring if u think abt it
trim frost
if u dont clip its a nonissue
clear plume
Not really
trim frost
what could this possibly mean
fiery jewel
game needs to become more spammy in general
worn bluff
a triple weave won't kill you if you really want to do it
rapid whale
wat
fiery jewel
atleast on high apm jobs
trim frost
spam design is how we turn every job into viper
rapid whale
water we talking about
rapid whale
they want guild wars combat?
worn bluff
like it's not a good habit to triple weave but it's not the worst thing you could do in terms of damage
fiery jewel
since your 2min burst is so restricted
you're just doing 2 reawakens and nothing else
because u can't double weave 1.5s
rapid whale
hikari catch me up im too lazy to scroll up
rapid whale
ya but whats the other side of clipping
the only thing that comes to mind is guild wars
fiery jewel
idk if clipping necessarily needs to be removed but it's not possible for the combat to be that interesting how it is with the current limitations
rapid whale
action games are effectively gcd because of animation lock
fiery jewel
they need to add anim cancel or smth
trim frost
i like turret mage design tho i dont want blm to be spam
fiery jewel
some jobs should still be unique
blm already is unique it's the only dps with zero ogdcs that provide damage
worn bluff
action games aren't really comparable since you're not required to keep close to 100% uptime
fiery jewel
that's always been black mage main gimmick I believe
and they will never change it
so blm is niche
worn bluff
like uptime in monster hunter is probably closer to 50%
fiery jewel
this game will never be action game
but ye
doesn't need to be
I don't want them to increase GCD they probably need to lower it in general tbh
idk they can do that by just making materia more interesting
jolly flume
the combat can be relatively a lot more interesting than it is, the only reason it isn't is that they systematically remove all points of failure that you originally had to play around
vast jacinth
jolly flume
the core framework of the combat is fine they just refuse to let people fail
because then they get sad
fiery jewel
the combat can be relatively a lot more interesting than it is, the only reason ...
if you think about the limits though
how can you make a job like viper more fun
when in burst you can't double weave at all
jolly flume
by not designing xivcombo the job
clear plume
Idk if the guy who wants to get rid of clipping wants them to add failstates to jobs
fiery jewel
vpr fundamentally will awlays be boring
jolly flume
because it's xivcombo
rapid whale
the msq is effectively one big power fantasy comparable to solo levelling, the player is not allowed to lose
fiery jewel
since you're just pressing 12345 + q even in burst
jolly flume
not because weaving exists
fiery jewel
how is that fun compared to job like ninja
just not comparable
if it was 12345 + q + option to press other buttons during burst
maybe we have something
jolly flume
you just described exactly why it is not a fundamental combat issue lol
worn bluff
the core framework of the combat is fine they just refuse to let people fail
i think it's pretty clear when you compare something like M10S to like... endwalker raids. they can make interesting fights with the existing combat system
jolly flume
if they can make fun jobs within the constraints of what we have
it is clearly a problem with what they do to individual jobs
fiery jewel
having to design 90% of the jobs around regular gcd idk
with anim cancel barely existent
worn bluff
people in EW got used to 100% melee uptime with no effort which got boring, but fights don't have to be designed that way
jolly flume
why does animation canceling have to exist
fiery jewel
I think big issue tbh
if they just cut cooldowns by 1/2 game objectively becomes more fun but it will be harder to balance
fiery jewel
balance part is the issue tho
worn bluff
i would probably enjoy a combat system that's more freeform in an MMO, but let's be real that's never happening in FF14
rapid whale
that also made like, 80% of the specs unplayable
fiery jewel
if drg had a 30s burst with the current form
jolly flume
that's just apm for the sake of apm
jolly flume
the reason xiv jobs are boring as fuck is because you never have to think anymore
fiery jewel
ye
vast jacinth
my friend still wants an action combat mmo :)
jolly flume
it has nothing to do with how fast you can press buttons
rapid whale
yeah viper is the prime example of that
rapid whale
has the most apm of any job but is also the most braindead
i mean launch viper had some interesting opti
with the timer management
vast jacinth
viper before 90 is just zzzz
worn bluff
remove all cooldowns everything is random proc now 
rapid whale
idk why they took it out before savage but yeah
jolly flume
viper is designed from the ground up to be braindead
fiery jewel
genuine idk what you do about viper
jolly flume
you're assuming the devs want to do something about viper
vast jacinth
and i still would fck up cause i dont pay attention in normal content XD
jolly flume
they don't
fiery jewel
double reawaken will always be boring in the current form
jolly flume
they quite literally meant it to be easy
fiery jewel
and you can't add any thing to it since single weave limitation
jolly flume
so idk what the point is here
fiery jewel
if they make 1.5s double weave jobs have more potential
rapid whale
yea like its p clear they want some jobs to be the 'brain off buttons go brrrr' jobs
eg vpr, smn
fiery jewel
and then 2.5s triple weave
but that will fundamentally change combat ppl not ready for it
jolly flume
triple weaving will not fundamentally change combat nor would it be interesting
quick verge
triple weaving is ping gated tech
clear plume
you already have some jobs that triple weave
fiery jewel
ye
worn bluff
it's the dilemma every live service game deals with
you could make the game challenging and complex to play, or you could make it more accessible and make more money
fiery jewel
I mean viper can technically triple weave
but in the most boring way
pct is more interesting
jolly flume
is it though lol
quick verge
and even then you slam that triple even if you live in angola in some situations
vast jacinth
i have a 9ms ping usually so i prolly could triple weave
jolly flume
it's one of the lowest apm jobs in the game wtf are you even weaving
rapid whale
pct has like, 12 apm bro
vast jacinth
never checked if i do
rapid whale
i think it's -the- lowest