endgame-lounge

[rapid whale]

like 1 of 20 diff drops

your thing didnt drop cya next week

thben the pity system is the same

[stray forge]

theres options, you might not get your bis but there are lots of different sources of loot

[craggy marsh]

Am sad bc I cant prog next week as much as I want to

[vestal hollow]

come play wow its peak rn

[rapid whale]

just clear this weekend ez clap

[craggy marsh]

Gonna be a goat

[craggy marsh]

I have to STARVE myself on Sunday

Monday surgery at 7am

[rapid whale]

prayge

[vestal hollow]

prayge

[craggy marsh]

My ass going to be hungry

[stray forge]

my roommate wants me to play with her but i just know we would never fucking actually play together because her ass was like #1 druid in mythic+ meanwhile I haven't raided since like legion

[visual geyser]

Dude

Carries r all the rage

[stray forge]

its a trap

[rapid whale]

just join the raid team via nepotism

ez

[visual geyser]

W

[craggy marsh]

I wanna make a wow account and just furry erp

[visual geyser]

W

Wow has a feature where your transmog automatically changes when you do certain shit

That’s so cool

[vestal hollow]

seriously though midnight content is pretty good

[visual geyser]

You touch water

Change into a swimsuit

[daring pine]

just like me fr

[visual geyser]

To bad the character models r ugly as sin

💔 💔 💔 💔

[stray forge]

am pretty sure she is in like a gamer word guild

[craggy marsh]

Nepo raiders are funny

[stray forge]

i am not dealing with allat

[daring pine]

im making a bomb help

[rapid whale]

i wonder if theres vfx mods that make wow just ffxiv chara

[vestal hollow]

m+ and raiding in wow is muuuuch different than xiv

[rapid whale]

idk wat that means

[daring pine]

saying gamer word in 2026

[visual geyser]

See this why I’ll never stop playing

Look at how beautiful she is

[daring pine]

blush

[visual geyser]

Wow could never unfort

[vestal hollow]

ill say YOUR gamer word

[daring pine]

thank you

[daring pine]

whar

https://tenor.com/view/zuh-cat-side-eye-stare-cat-staring-ca-gif-7404392670733848800

[vestal hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/zuh-cat-side-eye-stare-cat-staring-ca-gif-7404392670733848800

nvm marce just put me down

[daring pine]

gladly

[vestal hollow]

oh

my bad.

[craggy marsh]

Type shit

[daring pine]

dabura copied me bro

[visual geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-hardy-swanton-bomb-ladder-table-wwe-gif-12595805

Live letter next week

God

DT is almost over finally

[craggy marsh]

When I'm in a rush to the ending competition and my opponent is Gege

[visual geyser]

No more tural

[daring pine]

i liked tural but im excited to see where we go next

[visual geyser]

No more SOLUTION NINE

[craggy marsh]

SMILE AND LET THE RAINBOWS IN

[visual geyser]

AHHHHH

I HATE PURPLE AND GOLD

FUCK THE LAKERS

[vestal hollow]

m+ season soon

[daring pine]

can next expansion just be full of hroths and roes

thanks square

[craggy marsh]

We're surely getting a look at beastmaster during the LL right?

[visual geyser]

we will never get a hroth main character btw.

[craggy marsh]

Atleast artwork

[daring pine]

wuk is right there

[visual geyser]

Sorry delayed

[rapid whale]

we just did

[visual geyser]

No budget

I meant to say again

[vestal hollow]

your bait is bad

try again

[visual geyser]

I meant to say again

[vestal hollow]

i get better ragebait from the 10 year olds at my job

smh

[daring pine]

can we get a hellsguard femroe mc

[visual geyser]

Next main npc gonna have white hair bro

[daring pine]

so i can ship

[visual geyser]

Sorry.

Dude

Idk maybe we get a guy mc

Twink?

Maybe we just get cloud strife

[craggy marsh]

Whatever we get it needs to be something we can ragebait people with

[visual geyser]

Lala main mic

Replace krile

[vestal hollow]

we have calyx and halmarut so yeah

alisaie has mad death flags

[visual geyser]

L o l

[daring pine]

alisaie will be fine she's a red mage

[visual geyser]

Yknow the scions are untouchable

[craggy marsh]

Please leave the scions out of 8.0

[daring pine]

can they kill y'shtola again

[craggy marsh]

It was cowardly of them to put them in 7.0 without a proper plan for them

[visual geyser]

Scions will be divided.

I can’t wait for the 8.0 reveal to be 90% Yoshi p lies

[worn bluff]

drops some rocks in ur way

[visual geyser]

2.x more rewards.

Lying ass mf

[craggy marsh]

Careful, if this was the lore channel you'd summon that one dude who gets mad when people point out stuff the devs said would happen

[vestal hollow]

estrogenuinely the scions killed my interest in the story atp

[visual geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-p-ffxiv-ff14-hop-on-ffxiv-hop-on-14-gif-3206923579123481332

[vestal hollow]

dont ever bring up ultima in there

[visual geyser]

“We need new criterion rewards you got us right!?”

[worn bluff]

you get lots of fireworks

[visual geyser]

Next live letter he just ignores how badly they fucked criterion

Incredible 🥹

[craggy marsh]

Is there a lore reason for why some of the lore people have knee-jerk reactions to things

[vestal hollow]

i will say once again that xiv players are excited over 2 new mounts and wow added about 60 with base midnight

[visual geyser]

Idk they get mad so fast kinda funny

[vestal hollow]

territorial

[craggy marsh]

Like how if you say "Viper is the Zidane job" there will be atleast 2 people who go ballistic

[vestal hollow]

unironically

[vestal hollow]

id be one of them but i just dont care

im having too much fun with wow

feels like coming home

[craggy marsh]

I like that one guy who demands everyone to show him "proof" of something that was said even if it was from like 10 years ago

Weird guy

[daring pine]

guys

how many m11s books is it for the augment exchange

[visual geyser]

I like the guy that says glamour is racist

[wind cypress]

3? 🤔

[craggy marsh]

Like it should be obvious people are joking when they say "Viper is the Zidane job" but then I remember joking is prohibited in the lore channel

[visual geyser]

And went on a big rant on why the new Crit gear is problematic

2woke4me

[craggy marsh]

Crit gear is problematic?

[visual geyser]

Dude

Lmao

[vestal hollow]

the glamour is racist but thats a whole other can of worms

[visual geyser]

[vestal hollow]

look up orientalism

[worn bluff]

4 book for twine

[craggy marsh]

Oh wait you mean the crit dungeon gear

[vestal hollow]

yeah the glam

[craggy marsh]

Sorry I thought you meant like

Gear with crit

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[vestal hollow]

also i love playing a spec with a like 0.2 gcd at all times

feels like a real game

[daring pine]

oh thats not bad

[raw mango]

i didnt wanna post this on general bc it has EW and ShB songs
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7jS2nbiHdEgRZSy7TZhTXq?si=yhZy345MTUC3ac5QUvA8nA&pi=AXiKMNfZTPy94

[round burrow]

my gym playlist consist of the most "cutie patootie" kpop songs you can think of.

[rapid whale]

TWICE!

[round burrow]

Basically

[rapid whale]

you wanna know know know knowwww

[round burrow]

Also i don't think my middrift isn't gonna get any smaller

considering I've lost all the weight i could've lost

(Still losing it nonetheless) but like its because I just have such a wide ripcage i can't get anything down in terms of weight lmao

[wind cypress]

m12s p1 clear to p2 fresh = p1 act 2 prog 🤡

[daring pine]

many such cases

m8s was the same actually

[trim frost]

off i go

[trim frost]

okay man

[wind cypress]

"mb", starting to get ptsd from seeing it in pf 🙃

[loud swift]

mb

[rapid whale]

mb

[dapper zealot]

mb

[low hearth]

mb

[alpine plover]

mb

[tulip wraith]

mb

[wind cypress]

rip 🤣

[terse zodiac]

castrum into shiva ex into prae this mentor roulette sucks today

[valid solar]

Oh you can DF this?

[trim frost]

yeah

[valid solar]

I see, I figured I'd have to pf it

I'll queue in when I get home and see what happens

[trim frost]

you can actually df all of the advanced/criterions (not savage)

just generally not recommended for criterion bc

yk

df

lol

[valid solar]

Is there a pastebin with strats or anything like that

[trim frost]

probably?

but you can just generally use eyes and brain imo

[valid solar]

I see

[dapper zealot]

saw a pastebin here yesterday

[valid solar]

I might be overestimating the difficulty of advanced

[valid solar]

That was for criterion

[trim frost]

you will need some amount of coordination but it's pretty basic stuff like 3 person stack and 1 guy spread away

difficulty-wise i'd say it's just a notch lower than ex

easy to recover / hard to wipe, but you still gotta respect mechanics

kinda fun going in blind, gives me the same thrill as doing alliance raids day 1

[valid solar]

I see

[sick reef]

pastebin had lik 30 slides a boss, so idk what the difficulty is like for these advances

[sick reef]

the hell is this?? loot rolls for fkn coins?

[terse zodiac]

pastebin is criterion, advanced is chill

[sick reef]

ahhh well then i might attempt adv today, might have to pf tho

ive seen mfs in df die to the damn genie way too much

[terse zodiac]

somewhere between normal/alliance raid and ex trial

[sick reef]

thats not bad

[trim frost]

you get 1 coin of personal loot for beating each boss, then 1 coin of personal loot for beating all three bosses, and one chest which gives a number of stacks of 1/4/12 coins equal to the number of ppl in the duty

[sick reef]

what kind of crack are they smoking?

unless im misunderstanding this

[trim frost]

whatever this is used for

[daring pine]

i feel like the chest at the end should be personal spoils also but maybe that's just me

[sick reef]

right

[trim frost]

maybe it's easier to list it off

[sick reef]

its all personal spoils and then at the end they let us gamba 😭

[trim frost]

i dunno how common it is but we got one random in our group and agreed on "L->R"

which is just

everyone rolls on the loot from left to right and if you win something you leave the instance

that way everyone gets equal loot

some groups i know will just do ffa but 🤷

[sick reef]

wait thats actually smort, might do that

[devout wraith]

do you guys know how many days it is for the first or 2nd liveletter til the next patch date? was it 40 days?

[lyric summit]

6 and 1.5 weeks before patch

so probably april 27

[devout wraith]

so 45 days from the first liveletter to the patch release date?

[fierce matrix]

is it just random?

for the coffer

[trim frost]

# of stacks = # of players

[fierce matrix]

no

the type of coffer

[trim frost]

stack amount is random yes

[fierce matrix]

okay cause I was like man we are burning through these super quick

no deaths at all

I thought it would be like speed based

thats kinda lame ngl that its RNG

[trim frost]

i don't know if it being random is officially confirmed anywhere

definitely possible that it could be performance based

[fierce matrix]

I haven't seen anything above 1 per

and we have killed in like 15 minutes

[trim frost]

dunno then

i think my kt was 20 mins

i've def seen people on twitter get stacks of 12

[fierce matrix]

yeah someone posted a screenshot of it in here too

thats why i figured maybe it was performance so thats why I started farming it

but no avail

tho I will say

historical baby

there was only 2 parses and I was the top

speed parses baby

[trim frost]

til tomestone has this now

deeply embarrassing for me

i must be shot on sight

[fierce matrix]

tragic

ngl this is kinda fire

it actually shows the timing of stuff which is pretty neat

[trim frost]

it's my own fault

i should've cleared before i got busy

and then i got busy

and then reclears were ass

[fierce matrix]

life happens

[trim frost]

a stain on my record

[fierce matrix]

anyone with a brain can look at the logs themselves

the real thing to look at is your activity and pull time

[trim frost]

icant

[fierce matrix]

[trim frost]

i know it just sources from fflogs data but i kinda wish this wasn't a feature bc having my shit pace be presented on a platter to anyone who goes to my page is kinda :(

[tough gorge]

is there no option to hide it

tomestone's usually p good about that

I coulda cleared m11 week 1 but oh well, pf was just dogshit

[rapid whale]

its a gacha

[rapid whale]

does this mean 661 / 8 or 661st log

[tough gorge]

661th person to have cleared (with a log) I think

[fierce matrix]

661/8

there are 7 people with rank 661

well

as many people who dont have their tomestone hidden

its not gonna be exact

[rapid whale]

nice

[rain geode]

You have to do advanced with a party right?

[tough gorge]

2-4 ppl yeah

[fierce matrix]

2 makes it piss easy

unironically

[rain geode]

And it's less people to find

Man mmos are always a rough time of liking the gameplay and hating finding people xd

[sleek moon]

ive had 4 with several wipes and 1 with pretty fast runs

incredibly dumb but just a square thing to do

and the coins being rollable at all is like ????

[boreal pumice]

Maybe it’s a merc run idea , but that’s stupid thinking it’s like why not buy the item then

[lyric summit]

yeah no its random

[trim frost]

sadge

[stray forge]

Mb

[lyric summit]

prisoner's dillema chest

[fierce matrix]

just get lucky

ffs

[dapper zealot]

Sounds like someone didn't get lucky

[thin tartan]

random 200k lm m1 party

[rain geode]

So anyway I started blasting

I think I see the fun in BLM but I still can't quite grasp it

[thin tartan]

awesome

[wicked delta]

Need the mouser 1 guide

[random needle]

If you have enough leylines in one spot, they become tangible and you can stand on them in midair

[uncut pebble]

why is louis on at this hour

[trim frost]

freaking gaea vanson wow

[thin tartan]

blud woke up too early 💀

[valid solar]

why are you on at this hour mr adrian

[valid solar]

its a good game

[stray forge]

LMAO

[valid solar]

jokes aside like 6 of those hours was me leaving the game on while I left the house

[stray forge]

I just wanted to call u out

Gonna reach 10 hours in sts today

Lowkenuinly

[valid solar]

[loud nymph]

merc for m1s in tyool 2026?

[serene barn]

It hard to get people for content 🥺

[low hearth]

mb

[rain geode]

mb

[midnight furnace]

Just the feeling of constant dps and when you reach the moment to launch 5 Xenoglossy in a row

[rain geode]

Ill mess around with it a bit more at 100 not sure if its gonna be a job I keep in my rotation however

[midnight furnace]

Im surprised that during this tier i came to the conclusion of:

As a Caster i like to main BLM/SMN, i like to sometimes use PCT and RDM very rarely now due to weave issues

So i think BLM/SMN are my main casters

[rain geode]

Havnt touched RDM or PCT yet SMN Ive used a bit however

and Im leveling BLM rn

[midnight furnace]

BLM new version aint that bad

Sure they took out all the complex stuff but its cool

[stray forge]

[rain geode]

I will say Level 70 sucking has hurt my joy a lot

My Healer Slide cast timing also mess me up a lot and I hate that I cant weave after a cast without clipping

[grand mesa]

You'll get used to it

You'll get a ton more weave options later on once you get your xenoglossies and paradoxes

For now, if you're really desperate for burst movement and don't have an instant to weave, it isn't a complete sin to slightly clip between fire iv's in order slip a triplecast or swift in

Also

Learn to use aetherial manipulation liberally for movement if you know you can get away with it in a fight

[thin fox]

critical thing re: AM

it takes you

NEXT to your target

not on top of them

[grand mesa]

Yeah

You do have time to shimmy over before your next gcd if you instant cast and AM right as soon as you have a weave window open

Specially if you're on lower sps

[uncut pebble]

AM?

[thin fox]

aetherial manipulation

[grand mesa]

blm dash

[thin fox]

black mage button

[uncut pebble]

ohh

[grand mesa]

I used to be a fucking terrorist with that button

It's nice

[uncut pebble]

i had a black mage use am on me during slaughtershed spreads and it made me panic so fucking bad

[grand mesa]

LOL

Fair

[uncut pebble]

and i almost moved south instinctively

but they had time

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[uncut pebble]

they said they do that with all ranges

LMAO

[grand mesa]

They usually do that to save on instants

Specially since prange players can "move for them"

Though, you probably do have enough instants to resolve it walking

It's kind of just ass if you end up getting a bad pattern, though

[uncut pebble]

yeah

[grand mesa]

Like

Having knockback on the other side once you've used your first kbi feels so bad on healers

[rain geode]

Aetherial manip is the dash right? That is something I've gotten pretty comfortable with

[grand mesa]

It's a fun button

Do consider using a mouseover macro if you haven't one yet

Makes it easier to use it in a pinch instead of having to panic trying to click on a lalafell while imminent death is staring you in the eye

[rain geode]

I have not messed with macros much but I will probably have to bit the bullet and do it if BLM end up in my actual rotation of jobs I play

especially with how awful the click boxes are in this game

Id also have to make a real BLM glam rather then the memes Im using now

[grand mesa]

I'd send you mine but, I'm in bed

I'm sure there's easy ones to find laying around

Just make sure you have one that actually spams the ogcd in the lines

[rain geode]

lol no rush again Im probably not going to bother unless I decide I do want to play it more after leveling

which Im not convinced of when SMN is sorta just easier and right there

[dull drum]

[thin fox]

i use this for glam

[zealous meteor]

love the vanguard sets

[thin fox]

dude.

I HAVE SO MUCH MORE GEAR

😭

[sick dirge]

and then the BLM dies at least once

curse of the dance partner

[zealous meteor]

@dapper zealot AAAAAAAAAA

[jolly flume]

you think dancers players can read or infer what higher hp means

lol

[grand mesa]

blm isn't even a good dp target with equal gear

They're probably edating

I'm sorry to say

[dapper zealot]

:)

[uncut pebble]

isn't pct like 1000x better with cleave anyway

[grand mesa]

Yes

[wicked delta]

PCT has prio over BLM

[uncut pebble]

in 10 at least

[grand mesa]

Even in single target

[wicked delta]

So lol questionmark

[grand mesa]

Equally skilled pct mogs blm because of devilment pump

[dapper zealot]

This is what the Winterers are doomsday prepping for

[grand mesa]

3 autocrit high value gcds and nukes in your pom/winged ogcds and rainbow drip goes crazy

[clear plume]

Realistically crit blm specifically on a good blm is really good feed too, like in that entire tier of “these r fine”

That’s right behind Sam and then ninja

[grand mesa]

blm can 4 xeno under devilment to try and compensate but, good luck finding someone who does that

[clear plume]

You can 5 xeno under devilment fwiw

[grand mesa]

Most blms I've seen in pf don't try to feed at all unless it's under their pot

So

At least you can expect pcts to get their 2min gcds right on average

[sinful brook]

mb

i just hit button

is it just me though or does teh pf strat for mortal slayer just seem like a lot of extra thinking

because you have to swap sides based on which side has 2 porp orbs

[grand mesa]

It doesn't feel that way, no

[random needle]

Mortal Roles doesn't feel that complex to me either

[sinful brook]

im not saying its complex

im just saying that it feels like a lot of thinking when you can jsut assign every orb a number and just have people go to that orb number lol

[grand mesa]

I think role mortal just ends up being easier to prog

Which is why it stuck

Some people get tripped up by conga prios

[sinful brook]

yeah i get that

[dull drum]

i mean thinking wise i dont think its signifcantly different in terms of effort

supports is just a game of look for purple

[sinful brook]

my group just does it silly

[grand mesa]

Role mortal you can kind of just count either way

[sinful brook]

green orbs are 1-6

[grand mesa]

And it's just 1-4 on dps

And it'll always be a set prio on one side

[sinful brook]

and we do h1 > h2 > m1 > m2 > r1 > r2 as the corresponding numbers

and tehn tanks do whatever with the purple

not really a prio but you just always look for the 3rd orb if you'[re m1 for example

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[sinful brook]

i don't think either is any harder to do

[grand mesa]

I think that's bound to trip people up if they're fresh to it

Because they'll see 2 green on one side and not register that they're taking the last orb on the other

[sinful brook]

maybe im just used to fuckery

[grand mesa]

At least with role mortal

The order is always m1 m2 r1 r2

No matter what

[sinful brook]

yeah im not talking about conga

[valid solar]

smh val go

[sinful brook]

i think thats too much

[grand mesa]

It's also probably more clear which person moves in closer on doubles with role?

[sinful brook]

i suppose

[grand mesa]

I do wish pf did this instead https://raidplan.io/plan/y3yjp8v7wp85uv87#4

[sinful brook]

that ones nice

[grand mesa]

It's very slightly tighter for the melees but

I'm sure they can learn to use their w key

[sinful brook]

yeah whatever tbh just move

[craggy marsh]

Mortal slayer simple mech

[sinful brook]

simple enough for pf to blow each other up on it

[valid solar]

I havent really seen a pf blow up when using role slayer

maybe a single death from someone getting their toe clipped

[sinful brook]

Not a role slayer specific issue

[dull drum]

ngl its mostly my pf co tank who dies during mortal

what a fucking bum

[wind cypress]

if you roll up into savage as a red mage, will people be like - bring a black mage?

[clear plume]

If anything the opposite is true

[naive leaf]

Is it just me or has current expansion PF gotten toxic? Can someone explain why people leave a PF after one or two wipes in sphene ex?

[whole estuary]

are they actually toxic about it or do they just leave

[naive leaf]

It's either they start mouthing off or they just quit without saying anything

[dull drum]

its been like that for a while tbh

pf is a diceroll

[whole estuary]

people can leave for a lot of reasons

[wind cypress]

we had people leave m12s p1 clear run after 2 wipes yesterday, I think the leader blacklisted them

[dull drum]

i find that the later you are in a tier the amount of bad players/impatience rises tbh

could just be coincidence

[rain geode]

The good players already have their stuff and stop playing

[naive leaf]

I've been an on and off player so it's my observation from the past three weeks

[wind cypress]

I think people are at their wits end and its the straw that broke the camels back sort of thing, just rage quit a group on a few pulls

[whole estuary]

and if it's a reclear party but the group is actually nowhere near to clearing, they may not have the time or energy to go through that

[wind cypress]

I can understand m12s p1 clear, it's starting to feel like m11s clear already

[naive leaf]

I see

[wind cypress]

but to be fair, after they left we wiped 12 more times and drum roll our "clear to p2 fresh" group didn't even see enrage, 50% of the wipes were to act 2

[naive leaf]

LOL implying the ones still hopping into pf and getting mad cant admit they're bad

[dull drum]

well its less so that they dont have the time and more “i dont want to waste my time with fucking troglodytes”

[wind cypress]

pf is just a cluster, it's an endurance race of patience

[naive leaf]

I assume that's one of the reasons

[worn bluff]

idk 12-1 is easier than 11 so it shouldn’t be too bad

[naive leaf]

It's not like they owe an explanation

[wind cypress]

yeah you'd think that xD, it is easier but man the amount of people messing up p1 is just sad

[dull drum]

most people i know that have been pfing heavily since EW give it the 5 pull rule

[wind cypress]

all it takes is 1 and bam everyones dead

[naive leaf]

I suppose it better mitigated by requesting "no salt" on the of description

[dull drum]

for me personally i just do a universal 30 minute rule

[naive leaf]

And specifying practice

[loud nymph]

I mean, leaving a group that can't do content isn't toxic

[wind cypress]

3 out of 12 pulls someone ran off the edge, it was that bad

[dull drum]

no salt does not do shit

im sorry

[naive leaf]

Lol damn

I feel like the only person that understands not everyone is a pro gamer

[dull drum]

i mean it doesnt take a pro gamer to realize when time is being wasted

[loud nymph]

well, no, but if, for example, a group is specified as an enrage group but that group keeps wiping to the first mechanic?

why the fuck would anyone stick around

[wind cypress]

in my opinion, when I join a pf for clear - clear is not prog, if we don't make it to enrage in like 5 or 6 pulls, group isn't ready

[naive leaf]

I see

[loud nymph]

recognizing that the group won't clear / won't reach the prog point / won't help you learn and bailing is not toxic

[thin tartan]

GO NEXT!!

[wind cypress]

I still stay cause I'm a masochist and rarely they get themselves cleaned up but yeah xD

[dull drum]

pf survival guides

[loud nymph]

if I'm learning idyllic dream and the pf can't do rep 2

what reason would there be for me to stay

[naive leaf]

Would you leave without saying a word?

[loud nymph]

of course?

[wind cypress]

in those cases you're teaching them for free if they prog lied too xD

[naive leaf]

Not even a "hey this group isn't for me, good luck"?

[dull drum]

^

[thin tartan]

NOPE

[loud nymph]

why bother?

[thin tartan]

TYFP

OUT

BYE

[dull drum]

the 2 mechanic rule is tried and true

[naive leaf]

That's a shame.

[loud nymph]

a lack of a message in chat isn't toxicity lmao

[naive leaf]

v.v

[worn bluff]

seeing someone put "checking passports" in a PF in week 1000

[thin tartan]

Is it just me but saying checking is more corny

[worn bluff]

no one's even around to join man

[naive leaf]

You're really focused on the use of the word "toxic"

[thin tartan]

Like not toxic

But just corny

[loud nymph]

Because....that's what you said?

[whole estuary]

well yes, isn't that what you opened with?

[wind cypress]

if you join a clear group and you're low in prog, you get the benefit of not having to deal with other people (on your level) wipes, and you can just bail if you mess up - that's whay prog liers do

[whole estuary]

"does anyone but me notice that PF is toxic"

[dull drum]

^

[worn bluff]

they're 1/8 going for 2 chest M12 clear at 10AM pacific on a friday

[naive leaf]

It's prevalent and leaving without a word is rude to me, so in my books it's toxic. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn bluff]

no one's even here man what passports are you checking

[thin tartan]

nt

[loud nymph]

well

with all due respect

[wind cypress]

join a group, lie about prog -> fast track to clear, sad day we live in xD

[loud nymph]

grow a fucking spine

[dull drum]

i mean again you dont have to explain your life to leave a party

like i dont have to tell them my grandmas dying and i gtg to the hospital

lol

[loud nymph]

or some thicker skin

[naive leaf]

Not asking for literally that lol

[loud nymph]

or something

[wicked delta]

Idgaf if people leave without saying anything personally

[whole estuary]

that is certainly a very low bar

[wicked delta]

Id rather have that than them insulting me

[naive leaf]

Perhaps my use of the term was too casual, then.

[zealous meteor]

"big fish is coming up in 5 minutes so i gtg bye tyfp"

[jolly flume]

what are we arguing about I wanna argue

[wicked delta]

Nothing

Go away

[loud nymph]

"leaving a pf without saying anything is toxic"

[jolly flume]

die

[naive leaf]

Lol.

[dull drum]

well the original point was more so has pf always been this toxic

which the truth is yes

[jolly flume]

I dont owe 1-7 other people in there shit

why would I care

[worn bluff]

i never really noticed anything about this. it just seemed normal behavior tbh

what is there to say

[wicked delta]

Yeah its not a Dawntrail thing

[wind cypress]

join a clear group -> group gets nowhere close to clear -> people leave after a few pulls

[wicked delta]

Its been like this for a very long time

[dull drum]

even if you explained yourself most people wouldnt even care

thats the truth

[worn bluff]

i mean 1-2 is kind of early but 3 is normal

[wicked delta]

A new thing for DT is passport checking

It was a thing for a good while as well but

Lol

It’s so prevalent now

[wind cypress]

I promote passport checking

[worn bluff]

if someone left after 1 pull i'd be like "??" but then move on and forget them

[kind elm]

no reason for me to tell 7 strangers why im leaving

[wicked delta]

I dont

[kind elm]

can just leave

[whole estuary]

when people are frustrated, it takes some maturity to even remove yourself from the situation instead of losing your temper and snapping at others

[kind elm]

if i know them ill say why im leaving

[whole estuary]

If people can do that, then I don't mind if they are silent, it's better

[kind elm]

but if its 7 strangers dont really need to give an explanation, i dont know them

[worn bluff]

my goldfish is on fire sorry

tyfp

[naive leaf]

I see

[jolly flume]

I hate you all and none of you deserve to clear this fight

tyfp

[zealous meteor]

gotta feed my nepto dragon sorry tyfp

[dull drum]

i mean if you really want to be safe you can just say gtg

[worn bluff]

ok jamie jams

[wind cypress]

if you say something, even if its fake - people don't really care much

[thin tartan]

Saw subaru today

[wicked delta]

People dgaf even if you say nothing man

[wind cypress]

gotta run my house burst into flame

[kind elm]

jamie core

[wind cypress]

that sort of thing

[wicked delta]

People in PF really don’t care

We all got shit to do

[dull drum]

its just an accept and move on type beat

like what else can you do

beg them to not leave? lmao

[jolly flume]

the more non-toxic a pf tries to paint itself as the worse it is

[wicked delta]

No salt in description

[naive leaf]

Alright. Thanks for your feedback

[wind cypress]

in pfs that are less than 10 mins in, someone randomly bails without saying something, leader and some others usually get grouchy

[worn bluff]

i mean i'm fine w helping out chill prog parties later on

they seem to actually be chill

[wind cypress]

if the pf took an hour to fill and someone bails on pull 3 sort of thing

[dull drum]

so all of ulti pf

[wicked delta]

Yeah thats just ulti PF

Lmao

[naive leaf]

That's the thing. Pf takes hours to fill and then ppl bail in one or two restarts.

[jolly flume]

I take "no salt, be chill" as "someone yelled at me for being an actual bot and now I'm upset" because that's what it is like 80% of the time ngl

[whole estuary]

that's frustrating but still w/e

[worn bluff]

one time we were in FRU PF and someone said "brb getting food" and they literally went out of their house to go eat

[naive leaf]

LOL

[jolly flume]

technically not a lie I guess

[whole estuary]

like "I blocked out 2 hours of prog time and we spent 1 hr 50 mins in PF"

[dull drum]

the alternative isnt really viable either, in ulti PF you either leave and wait hours for a fill or you cope that the dogshit party locks in 1 pull for a micron of prog

[wind cypress]

had a pf yesterday on m12s, someone brb'd more than 10 mins and was auto booted from the instance xD

[dull drum]

TOP pf

[worn bluff]

this was tough for progging m12 bc we had to find like, 3 hours where we were all available to go and try to fill in PF for phase 2 prog

[wicked delta]

DSR pf

[worn bluff]

bc it would take like an hour to fill

[kind elm]

sure but if the party is bad staying for an hour to see if MAYBE they can make it past prog point is a waste of time just as much as waiting for pf is

[naive leaf]

How bad does it feel for this stuff to happen on savage vs DT ex, in y'all's opinion?

[rain geode]

If a group cant reach the prog point Im not staying very long

[wicked delta]

I don’t care about either

[loud nymph]

same honestly

[thin tartan]

I hate this

I dont know why

[wind cypress]

I have no idea why, progging m9s - m11s, you can find groups np - but you have to actively keep checking raid finder to grab a m12s that's on your prog point, cause it has 2 fugging tiers and a bunch of prog points

[thin tartan]

But i fucking hate that emote

[wicked delta]

I only care if it happens in ult pf

[whole estuary]

again, it depends on the initial expectations

[wicked delta]

Bc those actually take forever to fill

[dull drum]

whats wrong with yeppers????

[wicked delta]

Savage and EX PF fill relatively fast in comparison

[naive leaf]

Sorry I forgot ult

But I see

[wicked delta]

It doesn’t help that you will see the same 5 people in PF

Depending on when you do it

Its easier to dodge folks in savage pf lol

[dull drum]

PF is a community thing where you start memorizing names

[worn bluff]

current EX filled super fast

[wind cypress]

tried to join a pf yesterday, was denied - apparently I'm on someone's blacklist xD

[worn bluff]

someone leaves and you get a refill in like 7 seconds

[naive leaf]

Oof

[wicked delta]

“Oh I remember this guy! He did 0 damage in TOP P4” to “I know this guy! He has a criminal record!”

[wind cypress]

yeah rarely in pf someone will join and someone else in the group goes like "aw hell no" and leaves

and I'm like, what? xD

[dreamy whale]

Do you get blacklisted if you close the pf before it fills because you’re sleepy

[dull drum]

ive seen people close the pf when its 8/8

lowkey ragebait

[wind cypress]

if the group leader puts you on the ban list I think

[jolly flume]

nobodys gonna care but also if there's people in there just pass lead to one of them instead of full disbanding cuz just because you don't wanna play doesn't mean they don't

[scarlet lintel]

Does the variant have new game +

[worn bluff]

i think one of the most useless PF comments is "vets welcome"

[wicked delta]

Yeah I pass lead usually

[worn bluff]

are vets ever not welcome?

[jolly flume]

PLEEEEEASE HELP ME PROG PLEEEEEEEASE

[wind cypress]

vets welcome = no loot

[dull drum]

in blind prog

[naive leaf]

What's wrong with having a vet in blind prog?

[scarlet lintel]

I skipped the quest for criterion static but I just heard it’s a quest I’d want to do

[dreamy whale]

Oh oops I didn’t pass lead bc I thought 2/8 wasn’t enough to warrant it

[rain geode]

maybe

[wind cypress]

I usually get my stuff within the first 3 hours of tuesday morning reset, I won't be of help to anyone during the week xD

[wicked delta]

If they instinctively start doing correct mechanics it’ll give people ideas on how to resolve it

[dull drum]

i mean its blind prog

[worn bluff]

vets not welcome. please do not know the fight. BE INSECURE and inconsistent please

[dull drum]

its like me trying to fake being helen keller

fucking impossible bc of muscle memory

[scarlet lintel]

I am a blind progger

[worn bluff]

if we see prog point i will disband

[scarlet lintel]

I don’t mind vets in blind prog

[wicked delta]

Why would you be Helen Keller

[sinful brook]

i am also a blind progger

im legally blind

and i prog fights

[dreamy whale]

Me eating all the mechanics in normal heavyweight

[scarlet lintel]

Ppl can easily just pretend

[jolly flume]

veterinarians not welcome

[scarlet lintel]

That’s what I do

[dull drum]

im not a good pretender sorry bro

[wicked delta]

Watching this dumbass walk to the opposite of the party and going when he gets hit

[jolly flume]

I mean

normal content its a 50/50 if the party is going the right way anyways

[dreamy whale]

Bapple lied to me

Cactus evil

[wicked delta]

Chiyo he walked into AOE’s multiple times

[dreamy whale]

Never go to the corner during cactus

[wicked delta]

Me living cus im just better like that

[dull drum]

im an alpha male during cactus phase

i take the miniscule dodge spot

[dreamy whale]

“Stop staring at your hotbar” I’m not staring at it I’m just stupid

[dull drum]

we are NOT the same

[jolly flume]

this u?

[wicked delta]

Meld more tenacity to remove the blacklist

[wicked delta]

SHUT UPPPPP

YOU ARE A TERRORISTTTTT

[dull drum]

practicing for womens day

twitch rivals

[dull drum]

that food could have fed a village

[wind cypress]

so I need 3700 tenacity right? 🤔

[wicked delta]

Yeah do it man

[wind cypress]

prob still die to lindwurm purple orbs xD

[dull drum]

stop with this tenacity shit bro

[jolly flume]

gotta be tenacious

[wicked delta]

Im tenacious

[low hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-laugh-speed-laughing-ishowspeed-laugh-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-14327938280772974777

[thin tartan]

Were tenacious

[wicked delta]

We are JBear

We carry the meld

[wind cypress]

when you accidentally dump the kitchen sink mits on snake cleaves and purple orbs show up shortly after

[worn bluff]

how do you accidentally hit like 4 buttons though

[jolly flume]

rotation solver reborn pressed them for me

mb

[wind cypress]

early prog panic, I uh don't do that anymore of course

[wicked delta]

I facerolled

[worn bluff]

ok fair

[thin tartan]

Me when. I press 30% on wc1

[wicked delta]

I thought of rescuing you and then was like

No.

[jolly flume]

me when I put an extra edge of shadow out on wc2

[wicked delta]

This is a canon moment

I will do nothing

[dreamy whale]

Im sorry im too stupid to raid

[wicked delta]

you can unstupid yourself by studying

[dreamy whale]

Truege

[wicked delta]

im dumb as shit and i cleared m11s somehow

you can do it too

[dreamy whale]

Im just so eepy all the time somehow

So studying is hard

[jolly flume]

just dont unstupid yourself

im like the stupidest player in the server

[wicked delta]

shut up chiyo

[dull drum]

still dont understand the thought process of not invulning that snake cleave

[wicked delta]

you're smart

[dull drum]

you’re literally guaranteeing your survival + being able to adjust for a bum

[jolly flume]

me when I lie

[wicked delta]

why would i lie

[jolly flume]

https://medal.tv/games/ff-xiv-online/clips/lJIZ91GyFmLpRFR5f?invite=cr-MSxobFQsMjEwOTg5MDQ5

[low hearth]

You don’t need to if your melees aren’t drooling

[wicked delta]

[jolly flume]

@sleek moon convince me

[low hearth]

Not invulning is crazy though

[wind cypress]

to be fair in pf lately the dps are timely in moving in so didn't need invuln but yeah guess if you get a flaky group saving invuln for it is good

[dull drum]

i mean its less so you dont need it and more so

[jolly flume]

just always play for the worst case scenario

[dull drum]

like wtf would you use it on for max value

lol

esp in pf yeah

[jolly flume]

why lose a pull to finding out that you have morons when you could've been fine

doesn't really change anything for you either way

[wind cypress]

just after the boss drops the orbs and you run across the stage, sometimes the other tank doesn't know to just stand on me and as a paladin I have a 7? second window to pop my mit for it, if I'm too early I die, too late I die, skill issue I guess

[worn bluff]

they should have just designed the raidplan around invulning there so tanks wouldn't have to move

but i know some people prefer to invuln the stack buster

[dull drum]

oh did the raidplan not suggest it

[worn bluff]

NA raidplan has tanks run away from the spreads

since it doesn't prescribe a specific mit plan

so it assumes you resolve it "correctly"

[dull drum]

i saw people doing that in pf too but for me it feels like a waste tbh

because theres a decent time chunk between the TB and fixer (everyone is topped off for fixer anyway + pt mits can cover both the spread/TB and fixer)

versus the snake cleave and a potential terrorist puddle

[wind cypress]

40% on orbs, long duration - don't have to think about pressing buttons just wait for 2 orbs before me or 2 count noises before they go off, pop and forget, then I use invuln on the next part or use 3 other mits there depending if the group sucked previously at snake busters

[worn bluff]

i've seen people do it after dying a few times to mortal slayer 1

but slayer 1 is fine with ramp+90+short if your healers are awake

[dull drum]

maybe i just got carried by hoc

shits OP

[low hearth]

shoutout healers that actually mit the tanks

[worn bluff]

i count both purple orbs and intervention the other tank for their hit too

which is like an extra 30%

[wind cypress]

in pf someone was telling me to use my paladin bubble on everyone when he's knocking people from side to side cause the dps keep dying, I'm like uh which one, he'll do multiple - you gonna have to mit these people healer?

[worn bluff]

slaughtershed knockbacks?

erm

people shouldn't be dying to damage there anyways

[jolly flume]

I legit just fucking snorted

mitting the knockback

[wind cypress]

yeah lol

[low hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-speed-tried-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-tiktok-gif-10902436083761798311

[worn bluff]

they do like

30k unmitigated

LOL

[jolly flume]

truly a terrifying instance of damage

[wind cypress]

we got 2% enrage cause some deeps died during those 😬

[worn bluff]

falls off map

"i died to damage"

[low hearth]

They probably fell off the platform bro

That’s a hard mechanic

[dull drum]

[naive leaf]

Thanks again for your feedback re: my earlier topic. Appreciate it

[worn bluff]

what part is this

[dull drum]

stack TB act 1

i do 40% + hoc on slayer 1

[worn bluff]

i've never tried taking that one without 40 lol

[dull drum]

ive always been doing it

because i prepull rampart

even when i was progging the fight like week 3 ish i was still living fine, wouldnt have been an issue on week 1 i think

[worn bluff]

i don't need to roll GCD or gap close there anyways since i'm PLD and DMHS is up. i wonder if i could just walk to the side and not stack it once the blobs go off

i ramp mortal slayer bc it comes up just in time for act 2 autos

[dull drum]

if its the corner pattern you dont have to stack it yeah

when that happens i live like 82% no prob

[worn bluff]

yeah i mean even on the far pattern, maybe i could just cheat to the side

[dull drum]

probably

[worn bluff]

the GCD roll is different with holy spirit pull vs other jobs on 2.5

it still feels weird when i try to play other jobs there

on the act 1 cone snapshots too

[dreamy whale]

In theory I know how to do P1 for M9S

In practice I will probably forgor

[valid solar]

I wasnt aware m9s had a p2

[sleek moon]

[wind cypress]

p2 is the secret version, you have to let her whip you until enrage

[zealous meteor]

phase 1: pre-coffinmaker
phase 2: coffinmaker
phase 3: pre-towers/nails
phase 4: towers/nails
phase 5: pre-hell in a cell
phase 6: hell in a cell
phase 7: pre-undead deathmatch
phase 8: undead deathmatch
phase 9: post-undead deathmatch to enrage

[winged spindle]

Sadge, my M12S P1 went from 74 to 75 and now back to 74

[low hearth]

When are you going to prog m10s

[zealous meteor]

[low hearth]

SUDDENLY I WANNA BE 😤 RIDIN’ FREE 🌊 XTREME 💥

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mr-krabs-back-to-work

[thin tartan]

Do you save a gapcloser

[worn bluff]

i do but out of laziness/habit

i could just walk back up ig

[sinful brook]

i always backflip out on the doodoo melee pattern and dash back in as the blobs explode

microclip my gcd

[round burrow]

I saw this and had a thousand yard stare

[jolly flume]

ok :)

[worn bluff]

hardcore raid prog? oh you mean like the first tankbuster in M9S yes me too

[dim pollen]

Man it's a pain trying to do reclears this late into the weej

Week

[rapid whale]

tru

but as the youth doth murmur, dung doth occur

[boreal pumice]

finally done

[low hearth]

Lone Hero

chills

[quick verge]

pregnant hero

[sly basin]

im seeing the new outfit everywhere on twitter vro

[whole estuary]

I want the Honse on High but forming a DD static seems like a pain in the butt

[boreal pumice]

i have seen a few groups here and there for it im gonna to have one myself for rest of the clears no way am i doing that again solo

[jolly flume]

meeeeeeeeeeee

[sick reef]

so chat do we get somethign funny if we collect all the accessories like in pilgrims? also whats the ester for?

[boreal pumice]

the ester is for drum roll lvl 90 wpns you got from aloo aloo in radz ah han

[sick reef]

😭 wow theyre cookin

[random needle]

New cope: in the 7.5 LL, they'll show off Exquisite Bygone Brass weapons

Or... Maybe call them Beautiful Brass. Beautiful Bronze?

[terse zodiac]

thats what i'm saying, just not adding it now bc savage

even if not tho they're some of the best looking weapons in the game and almost nobody has them since criterion savage was a nightmare

[sick reef]

beastmaster is still coming right guys...

[low hearth]

Idk why they don’t add twine bro

[sick reef]

cuz u gotta do savage and only savage for gear 🔥

[low hearth]

9 weeks of m10s is crazy

[random needle]

I mean, I'm chill with Beastmaster being in 7.5, it's probably gonna take at least a considerable amount of time to work through and it'll be the longest wait until the next patch

[sick reef]

gotta get the player engagement up

[low hearth]

Or 9 weeks mb

[sick reef]

how many more patches do we have? 7.5, 7.6 and then 8.0?

[zealous meteor]

only 7.5 and its minor patches

[low hearth]

7.5 7.55

or whatever

[boreal pumice]

never have a .6

[zealous meteor]

so 7.5, 7.51, 7.55, 7.58

[sick reef]

and 7.5 drops in 6 ish weeks? so we have bout 6 months of minor patches?

[low hearth]

I wonder what they got cooking up for 7.5 🤔

[boreal pumice]

we got a LL soon

[low hearth]

Streets need Kuja extreme …

[sick reef]

forked tower the returned

and more duty roulette relicquest steps

[low hearth]

No way we got that dumb ass train before the coolest ff9 character

[sick reef]

please look forward to it

[low hearth]

[random needle]

North Horn, Forked Tower Magic, new ultimate, new EX, Beastmaster and BLU update, whatever Ozma says he's working on

[boreal pumice]

funny you mention return

[winged spindle]

Someone paid his kill
I hide his name, but it's a guy that I catch red-handed trash talking me in my back because I was late of 7min

[zealous meteor]

six months to get final fish, got it

[terse zodiac]

we're done with ff9, necron was always gonna be the last one

[low hearth]

o

[sick reef]

#1364150469546737796 message

Please refer back to this

[low hearth]

I got this

Hojo extreme

[boreal pumice]

and somehow ozma has returned

[terse zodiac]

low key they did say ozma is cooking up something special

[random needle]

I still think there's a non zero chance we get a Trance Kuja-like for 7.5. Even with Doomtrain in 7.4, it still used a remix of 9 music, as did the dungeon, and Treno is another blatant 9 reference

[sleek moon]

forked tower magic - FTM

[terse zodiac]

wouldn't shock me if we get a side fight collab with ff7 remakes

[sleek moon]

OC gonna turn everyone trans

[sick reef]

Who is ozma is it the damn ball

[terse zodiac]

the guy who made the damn ball

[boreal pumice]

ozma is a ball and a person

[sick reef]

Wtf bro turned himself into a ball

Ozma the returned, now a trapezoid

[terse zodiac]

hes one of their main endgame content designers

[sick reef]

Ahh I see

[proper cave]

Masaki Nakagawa is referred to as Mr Ozma by the team and fans because he was the guy who designed the Ozma fight for Weeping City

[sick reef]

Bro better dorp some gourmet food

[sleek moon]

bodychecks every 30 seconds

[sick reef]

But content won't matter if rewards are ass

Please look forward to it

Fkn eyemask for all paths

[terse zodiac]

rewards being ass is so subjective tho

[sick reef]

Therss a 100% someone out there stoked to get an eyemask instead of a mount from the new variant and more power to em ngl

[vestal hollow]

erpers thriving

[sick reef]

Balmung gdp boutta shoot through the roof

[random needle]

What other content has he made... I know he did UWU and DSR and I think part of Pandae?

[low hearth]

Q40

[terse zodiac]

idk what people really expect when they say want things to be more rewarding? gear?

[sleek moon]

100% gear

[terse zodiac]

gear is so boring and fast to get in this game

[sleek moon]

savage tier gear

[terse zodiac]

i get you cant get alt jobs up fast but eh

[sleek moon]

tbh its mostly people that want to play alts

[sick reef]

From what I've seen savage gear mostly. Alternate gearing paths are very appreciated

[sleek moon]

and some people that parrot whatever those that want to play alts say

[sick reef]

But there's also a set of people who think the new variant was robbed cuz of the advanced mode

Cuz adv got mount and such, normal got eyemask

[terse zodiac]

i dont think criterion shouldn't have a gear alternative but also that wouldn't make me want to run it, it would also be on a lockout like savage

whole reason for lockouts is to keep you subbed

[sleek moon]

i see the appeal for more gear but im not pressed about it

[sick reef]

It's a nice to have thing
That's bout it for me

[odd beacon]

It's just a dissonance because of the advantage this game has in the MMO market

[terse zodiac]

upgrade mats would be nice but at the cost of them limiting the amount of runs you can do would suck

[odd beacon]

Multiclassing but very limited good gear

[low hearth]

💔

[verbal whale]

that ruined eso

[sleek moon]

i think the shit combat ruined eso more than anything else

[worn bluff]

i just wanted new glam weapons

[low hearth]

can’t even alt job in this game

[terse zodiac]

not in ultimates at least, you can easily alt job anything else

amount of people alt jobbing ultimates is very low though

[low hearth]

oh

[odd beacon]

wh

alt jobbing ultimate is the entire reason people run it 100+ times

[low hearth]

Forced to tank instead of melee

[terse zodiac]

the amount of people running ultimates 100+ times is even lower

[random needle]

I wonder why people don't alt job ults much

[sleek moon]

if we can even call them people

[random needle]

Could it be related to the same situation we're discussing right now

[terse zodiac]

but thats only relevant to the current ultimate

[odd beacon]

ults only boom like a patch or two later anyway

yea

current ultimate not really

[worn bluff]

imagine next friday they announce ulti is delayed

and no ulti using current bis

[low hearth]

Really?

[odd beacon]

yea because you can alt job easier

[low hearth]

was fru pf jumping on patch?

I was still a shadowbringer chud 💔

[odd beacon]

and.. not much reason to be running them multiple times in a week

[worn bluff]

fru PF was big on patch because basically everyone had cleared m4s

[odd beacon]

for most people at least

[terse zodiac]

fru was pretty big on patch

[odd beacon]

Oh yea true it WAS M4

[worn bluff]

if you could clear EX you could clear LHW

[odd beacon]

also helped Eden was when the game started to rise in popularity

[terse zodiac]

ok them starting ultimate with a lockout is even more nonsense

worse than starting alliance raids with a lockout

[scarlet lintel]

Does gear matter for criterion

You want BiS?

[terse zodiac]

yeah

[odd beacon]

795 minimum imo

dps check isn't really that tight as long as you don't like

use up all your raise

[scarlet lintel]

I main warrior but I took a break after a few savage clears then I was gonna gear my astrologian bc I’m helping out some people with m12s but I play dragoon for criterion and my dragoon is only 775

I have to prio my dragoon?

[lyric summit]

pretty sure you need 780 to even enter

[scarlet lintel]

No

We almost cleared the first boss yesterday

[terse zodiac]

its 770 min

but full party usually takes away gear restrictions(?)

[scarlet lintel]

But I usually do more dps than our pictoo so I don’t wanna throw the dps check by being undergeared

[odd beacon]

Okay if you go under 770 that's

idk anymore

LMFAO

[scarlet lintel]

I’m 775

[odd beacon]

so party gear restriction shouldn't really matter here

[scarlet lintel]

Huh

[terse zodiac]

bis skips a whole mechanic pretty much

[scarlet lintel]

I see

I’m wondering if I should merc the loot

How much is it now?

[odd beacon]

tends to be the case for Criterion yea

gear skips mechs

[scarlet lintel]

Tho I don’t think my static minds not skipping mechs

I can get the dragoon weapon from 12 instead of the warrior one I guess

[worn bluff]

i personally wouldn't merc loot solely to do criterion

[scarlet lintel]

780 should be high enough to enter PF for a while

[scarlet lintel]

I see

It’s my first time doing criterion on patch

If I’d known that I would need BiS I would have gotten it

[worn bluff]

but its up to you on how much you want to do it on that job

[scarlet lintel]

I have to melee it so

[worn bluff]

weapon would be the biggest upgrade but it'll prob cost 5+ mil

per person

you could go for solvent to get 790 weapon, lot cheaper

but it'd be useless if you try to do ulti

[scarlet lintel]

I already have solvent

I just didn’t want to spend the tomes

I am only planning on doing ultimate with warrior tho