endgame-lounge

[jolly flume]

theres probably a way to filter them through the api but I don't think that's a thing on the site itself

[stray forge]

AST pickrate: 0

[jolly flume]

tbf when did you need to burst on adds

your astro would just press their 0 falloff 860p oracle and everything would die

[stray forge]

I think I’ve seen like two total AST in my 400 m11 pulls

[jolly flume]

the jobs hard to play in that fight

[odd beacon]

i mean astro and sge arent mutually exclusive

😭

[dull drum]

everytime i go into pf to alt reclear

10-11

theres a 0 medica whm

kinda nuts man

[wicked delta]

I wonder how this looks for Heavyweight

With the new WHM changes

[sleek moon]

damn sage is so low now for 12

[jolly flume]

anecdotally from the wp I watched its still almost all exclusively ast sch which is not surprising

[odd beacon]

expedient stonks went up in 12

[jolly flume]

dude its not expedient stonks

its spreadlo stonks

get fixerd idiot

[odd beacon]

no I mean

[jolly flume]

[odd beacon]

a lot of places u exp

[wicked delta]

Expedient stonks are for M11S

[odd beacon]

u need to move

• the mit

[stray forge]

I’ll fix you

[odd beacon]

like

A LOT

in 12

[dull drum]

idk you can walk most mechs

[quick verge]

no shit

[sleek moon]

but you can walk faster

have you considered that

[odd beacon]

yea but expedient makes u walk f-

[jolly flume]

exp gets to double up on value a lot but most of it you can personal sprint and it'd make no diff

[odd beacon]

fuck you

[stray forge]

Bro it burns more calories

[wind cypress]

tether split + safe spots, sometimes you have to sonic

[wicked delta]

I got giga killed by fixer

[dull drum]

thats less aura than rp walking a mech

[quick verge]

i can walk to my 7/11 or i can ride a bike

[dull drum]

thoughts?

[jolly flume]

both halves of 12 are just the mit check of all time

especially early weeks

[odd beacon]

spreadlo does make it so fixer doesnt fix your inside when u miss one mit though

[jolly flume]

and sage cant mit for shit compared to scholar

[odd beacon]

but sge vs sch in week 8 is whatever

[wicked delta]

Not taking SCH in 11/12 is kinda grief lowkey

[odd beacon]

both are ok

[quick verge]

here's the truth nuke

[jolly flume]

sage in 11 is fine

I'd even argue it could be better

[quick verge]

sge is griefing cause it doesnt make me crit more

[jolly flume]

but in 12

lol lmao

[sleek moon]

sage vs scholar is like 5k vs 8.4k for p12p2

[dull drum]

run double shield m12 thoughts team

[quick verge]

if sge had chain strat id want one in every party

[dull drum]

[wicked delta]

You can pry expedient from my cold dead hands

[jolly flume]

shut up physrange

[odd beacon]

sch is the IRS

hard choice

[wicked delta]

Shut up green box

Heal me

[jolly flume]

no

[quick verge]

fflogs in 2050

i just wanna see a 350k starcross one last time

[stray forge]

Why is chiyo even in here

[sleek moon]

kinda funny how sage vs scholar remains the same as the graph but whm vs ast gets flipped around

[stray forge]

I thought he was a nami main now

[odd beacon]

well for real its crazy how we're already over shb numbers

[shy obsidian]

so remind me why sage is THE healer for criterion dungeons?

[odd beacon]

are we getting squished again

[odd beacon]

kardia

[quick verge]

i hope not

[jolly flume]

I hope not

shut up biscuit

[quick verge]

we live in the same city btw

[odd beacon]

chain loses effectiveness too

[jolly flume]

yeah wanna make out

[stray forge]

Make out

[odd beacon]

with just 4 players vs 8

[stray forge]

?

[sleek moon]

good heals and mit, but this was when whm had no mit other than wings

[wicked delta]

Ewwww are you gay?

[wind cypress]

low party size = less opportunity to increase dps?

[jolly flume]

the chain bit doesnt matter that much tbh damage is never relevant in criterion

its just coordinating buffs in a dungeon is a pain in the ass and sage is piss easy + instant shields

[stray forge]

Our first thought is always yaoi

[odd beacon]

ya but its still

there

it doesnt matter in the current one

[stray forge]

Hahaha endgay lounge aaaaghahaha

[odd beacon]

but it mattered previously

[wicked delta]

I dont want Chiyo to be part of the lgbt community

[jolly flume]

did it matter previously

[odd beacon]

mattered enough for sge to be brought more yea

[jolly flume]

every criterion savage if you were going for a clear and not a speedkill you would go afk

before every boss

to wait for cds

[shy obsidian]

i haven't checked on this since last night
i hope I wasn't undercut

[jolly flume]

and still kill in under 22 mins

[sleek moon]

idk about savage but every criterion normal ended in an annoying mechanic you wanted to skip with dps

[stray forge]

Gg one of my gacha friends is selling plasma for ZZZ pulls

God bless not knowing this creature irl

[odd beacon]

AMR non savage final boss having only like

two mechs

[jolly flume]

you couldn't skip any non-repeats in savage

[odd beacon]

and the big mech being zombieable is so fucking funny

[quick verge]

speaking of criterion

is the new one good

or does square need to be like

[jolly flume]

we had to hold on amr normal to practice the last towers in rat

[quick verge]

eaten by trees

[jolly flume]

before doing savage lol

[odd beacon]

seems fun from what ive seen

[sleek moon]

it doesnt give gear, therefore its bad

[odd beacon]

2nd boss has fucking hole mech

[quick verge]

has what?

[odd beacon]

and that was the best part of Lala

in AAI

[shy obsidian]

REVERSE show hole

[jolly flume]

lala spinnies had my number

first time ive ever straight up gone afk to do a mechanic

[shy obsidian]

the more I hear about Aloalo Island the more scared I get lmao

[sleek moon]

i didnt have issue with lala but fuck that stupid ass fairy

[odd beacon]

AAI isnt that bad tbh

[jolly flume]

who cares theres no stakes in normal

[odd beacon]

AMR is harder

[jolly flume]

you die you get up you go again from checkpoint

[odd beacon]

Savage at least

[jolly flume]

only savage is like

[shy obsidian]

no, I'm not talking about the variant or criterion
I'm talking about SAVAGE

[jolly flume]

ok you wipe you just wasted 20 mins of your life

[odd beacon]

AMRS the hallway with the cannon aoes

BOY

[quick verge]

savage criterion is just satan

[jolly flume]

the bridge adds aint got shit on the water lines in 3rd boss bruh

[quick verge]

cause u have mechanics designed by evil people

[jolly flume]

when you get the parallel pattern

yeah

go next

[odd beacon]

yea i meant

AMRS as a whole

was hard as fuck

[jolly flume]

yeah that entire dungeon

is kinda evil

[odd beacon]

AAIS is a little more structured

[sleek moon]

i really liked the first trash pull of rokkon

[jolly flume]

the dynamo guy with the halfroom ghost?

[odd beacon]

theres more harmony to it

[jolly flume]

the ghost kinda just felt like a lamer version of alo tornadoes to me

but it was still fun

[sleek moon]

i really didnt like the wind sprites

[jolly flume]

alo first adds

now thats peak

holy moly

[sleek moon]

we had a run where someone died like 5 times in a row

every time he got up he'd die to a tornado

[jolly flume]

you learn the routing after a while and then you go into savage

and your kt on every add is different

so now you're learning new routing

[odd beacon]

idt i even cleared AMRS

[jolly flume]

[odd beacon]

it was like final boss prog

but i had a falling out with the lead

[jolly flume]

that boss is just so evil man

[odd beacon]

and i never bothered

[worn bluff]

[sleek moon]

that last boss i only really had issues with exawaters

[odd beacon]

the full uptime clone mech

lines

evil mechs

[jolly flume]

it's like all well and fine until you get to water lines and then there's just that mechanic and a hard body check after that

[sleek moon]

my brain could not parse them

[jolly flume]

yeah see water lines is mostly fine

until you get the cursed pattern

and it's just like ????

[quick verge]

moko is just an evil boss

[odd beacon]

kinda funny

bc 2nd boss was

a cakewalk

then 3rd boss just kicks ur nuts in

[quick verge]

some horrible people making criteron and then deciding to make it a gauntlet

[jolly flume]

I struggled a little with the stupid exaflare stack spread mechanic

I had to stare at it for like 30 minutes before the pattern made sense

[odd beacon]

even funny bc 3rd boss just doesnt exist in AMR

u can just zombie through it

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FUCK

[quick verge]

GIVE KIHRA MONEY

[shy obsidian]

bro's gilded in gold he's NOT a peasant

[odd beacon]

its his work clothes be kind to him

[sleek moon]

im about to do some freaky shit in this ship

[jolly flume]

stay off my reception room desk please

[sleek moon]

oh ok no clue for you then

[jolly flume]

wtf

my clue 4

[sleek moon]

wish they made this shit faster to do

i dont want to visit 5 ships a day

[odd beacon]

i never bothered tbh

[jolly flume]

why can't you just assist from your own ship

pain in the ass

[sleek moon]

yeah

[odd beacon]

i never bothered og ak too

[jolly flume]

I have to care though bc like

the credit shop is #1 source of arsenal tickets

[odd beacon]

i only do it if im like

[jolly flume]

shit ass system

[odd beacon]

desperate for oro/tix thats already in the shop

[sleek moon]

i had oroberyl every single credit shop reset so it paid off

[odd beacon]

and i dont ahve to refresh

[jolly flume]

I buy exclusively arsenal tickets

out of the shop

can usually get at least 40 a day

which is equivalent to two pulls

[visual geyser]

Guys what should I think about the wow expansion

I need an opinion

[jolly flume]

helps bc I buy weapons out of the shop when they pop up

[quick verge]

wow good ffxiv dead

[clear plume]

Wow bad ffxiv good

[jolly flume]

the duality of man

[visual geyser]

Your confusing me

[odd beacon]

honest opinion it looks good but i can never get to wow raiding

[quick verge]

y'uoure*

[odd beacon]

i just get limp dick when i think about guilds

[clear plume]

Which do u trust, a league player or a discord moderator

[odd beacon]

what if hes both

biscuit is literally both

😭

[random needle]

Can I ask a ouija board instead

[visual geyser]

I’d trust biscuit with my life

Am I cooked

[jolly flume]

that makes one of us

[odd beacon]

Biscuit would let you go if you fell off a cliff

[sleek moon]

zepla is playing wow so

[odd beacon]

bad choice

[sleek moon]

you can watch her so she can tell you what you can think

[jolly flume]

zepla opinion

[visual geyser]

What is zepla’s opinion on ultimate raiding

[jolly flume]

top is unfair

[visual geyser]

O

Ultimate reveal next week

Meta

[quick verge]

gemini, pull up zepla's fflogs page and nuke azure for the rest of today

[worn bluff]

hoping for some red glow or something

[visual geyser]

What if the reward is a totem you can spend on the fru weapon

[odd beacon]

i mean

its gonna be sosex weapons

so its probably white

[quick verge]

its gonna be four lords

[worn bluff]

gold and red

[visual geyser]

It’ll be good

[odd beacon]

but red white sounds kinda hot

[visual geyser]

Gold

[jolly flume]

how many kills of the new ultimate will I be convinced to do before I get bored I wonder

[clear plume]

It’s gonna be delayed until 9.1

[worn bluff]

gold with the masks from hades trial

[odd beacon]

not like we'll know what theyll look until the patch itself anyway

[visual geyser]

I know we are clowning the criterion for giving ester for the old aloalo weps but I’m happy because I want those weapons 😭

[clear plume]

Funny story

[odd beacon]

do we have a 7.5 bingo

[sleek moon]

no it wont

[quick verge]

i cant wait for the four lords ultimate coming in 7.51 omg omg omg

[sleek moon]

at

[clear plume]

U still need to do alo for the shop to use them

[jolly flume]

I mean we're clowning it because lmao reused rewards but the weapons are pretty fire

[clear plume]

To exist

[visual geyser]

I’ve done Alo alo lol

Not savage

[odd beacon]

bro people who are mad about it are so performative

theyre NOT prestige

[visual geyser]

But I’ve always wanted the weapons

[odd beacon]

no ones looking at u fuckass with it and go "wow he cleared AAIS"

[visual geyser]

Oh no glowy tome weapons

[clear plume]

I’ve actually had people comment on it before

For vpr weapon

[odd beacon]

thats if they even noticed it was the exquisite weapon in the first place bc they just look like walmart relics

[clear plume]

Unironically

[visual geyser]

The vpr one looks nice

[jolly flume]

epic hero is like one of 3 titles I look at someone wearing and think they might actually be okay at the game

tbf

[sleek moon]

epic hero more like paypal hero

[odd beacon]

ya the title is pretty prestige

i meant just the weapon

since we're talking about the weapon

[jolly flume]

wep is whatever

but I do like them

[clear plume]

Epic hero is worth more to hc groups than any ulti title on god

[odd beacon]

not wrong tbh

[quick verge]

pvp titles are true markers of skill

[odd beacon]

crit scene turned into mercs

[odd beacon]

people with the CC tournament titles

[worn bluff]

well part of it is also because they're not very flashy

like they look nice but they don't stand out

[odd beacon]

Yea its not the same as ult weapons

they dont have the aluminium foil

[shy obsidian]

so uh. how much will the savage Island drain of my sanity

[jolly flume]

the pld weapon is straight fire

[clear plume]

It takes true skill to be able to win trade for the cc titles

[sleek moon]

yes

[odd beacon]

the real cc titles are the tourney ones though

like the actual SE sanctioned ones

[worn bluff]

"oh those look nice where did you get them?"
"criterion savage"
"oh ok i don't know what that is but cool"

[odd beacon]

I've only seen a Champion title once

[quick verge]

stay mad pve dweller

pvp FOREVER

[odd beacon]

which is kinda crazy since only 5? people get it a year

[visual geyser]

I’ve had comments on my hellhound weapons

[clear plume]

The ones that had a whole 8 teams per region that 7 of them win traded for their entrance for na yeah

[odd beacon]

I mean it still takes actual skill to get there even if there was wintrading involved lmao 😭

[quick verge]

i miss season 1 of CC

[odd beacon]

fuck no

RDM

[quick verge]

should i call her chat

[odd beacon]

fwiw the SAM crit weapon is fire

the sheathe is at least

[jolly flume]

pld sam nin are all top tier

[odd beacon]

i like rpr too

[visual geyser]

How many runs of advanced for

Ester

[jolly flume]

oh yeah I forgot about rpr

[odd beacon]

10

[jolly flume]

because I bought the rpr weapon

[odd beacon]

then theres fucking BLM 😭

[jolly flume]

and never equipped that job stone again

[quick verge]

what are the aai weapons called

[odd beacon]

physic defying lantern

[visual geyser]

10 full ones rite

[jolly flume]

exquisite

[visual geyser]

Exquisite

[odd beacon]

ya

[visual geyser]

And the carpet is advanced aswell?

[quick verge]

why does the drg spear look like shit

[jolly flume]

its one of the stubby ones

like fru

[quick verge]

they need to never do that again

[jolly flume]

go next man they'll never beat the top trident

[odd beacon]

ITS SO TINY

[visual geyser]

Contest winner btw

[odd beacon]

i mean the design is there

BUT WHY IS IT SO SMALL

[quick verge]

drg ulti weapons are like all gas then they drop fru

oh my fucking god bruh

[odd beacon]

FRU trident is gas fuck off

DSR 🤮

[quick verge]

and they took away my nastronds

just delete the game man

[odd beacon]

wait

[sleek moon]

only fru weapon i like is sage, you can throw the rest in the garbage

[odd beacon]

somehow i read FRU as TOP

nvm

u right

FRU sucks

[boreal pumice]

still miffed they added blu wpn for aai

[daring pine]

fru rpr weapon

[quick verge]

is blu getting an update this expac

[odd beacon]

i like fru whm

its cute

[sleek moon]

blu is getting deleted

[quick verge]

damn

[odd beacon]

wait

BLU Pallas Athena

[boreal pumice]

it has final stung itelf

[odd beacon]

[sleek moon]

diamdondback every bodycheck

[quick verge]

blu pallas athena but you have to describe how pangenesis works

was that what its called

[odd beacon]

i think u can still just line up for it?

wait no

itll be full rando

[sleek moon]

AM mechanic

[odd beacon]

BLU p8sp2..

whats the mech

[boreal pumice]

i remeber watching a blu group do a12s for the mech your meant to lb3 they all did diamond back but made it in a shape of a cock balls included

[odd beacon]

the one with the fire/ice

natural smth

[sleek moon]

alignment

[odd beacon]

yea

[boreal pumice]

tree

[sleek moon]

as long as the debuff ppl dont get hit the others can diamondback

easy

[odd beacon]

i wonder what BLU will get from EW

[sleek moon]

surely they will bring out a mount for doing shb+ew raids

[odd beacon]

as in

spells

[sleek moon]

oh

220 potency gcd

[jolly flume]

exquisite staff cuter

its peak

[quick verge]

twin this is deadass an ucob weapon

[odd beacon]

we dont talk about cob weapons

[jolly flume]

cold take every cob weapon is disgusting

[odd beacon]

the drg looks like cock and balls

[quick verge]

we fw that

[odd beacon]

war is lowkey good though

kinda gnarly

but everything else sucks

[jolly flume]

I dont remember what that one looks like ngl

[boreal pumice]

barbie you get the roaroaror as you aoe the ground by punching it it with hulk hands

[jolly flume]

mch sticks out in my mind

[sleek moon]

make them less pixelated and we can talk

[quick verge]

grenade launcher is peakasaurus

[sleek moon]

same with most dsr weapons

shit looks more pixelated than the pixel exarch

[jolly flume]

dsr weps have sick models

[odd beacon]

DSR is gas but orange is like my #2 favorite colour

[jolly flume]

shame the glows suck

[odd beacon]

so im biased

[jolly flume]

I need actual purple glows

se keeps edging me with top and fru

[odd beacon]

u got purple with top

for an entire 1 second

[jolly flume]

thats fake purple

[odd beacon]

[boreal pumice]

relics have more purple

[odd beacon]

Law Order DRK

PURPLE ✅
AN ACTUAL ZWEIHANDER ✅

[quick verge]

law order weapons are just elite in general

[jolly flume]

those r the bozja ones?

[quick verge]

yea

[jolly flume]

idk I keep telling myself I'm gonna do them

and then I look at the steps

and im like nah

another time

[quick verge]

you should've been there during covid

[odd beacon]

law order is the best

just dont

go after that

[quick verge]

you're indoors 30 hours a day

nothing to do except ffxiv

[odd beacon]

me running 30 delubrum a day

[boreal pumice]

the timeless relic is sht part

[quick verge]

covid was 6 years ago

holy fuck we're all gonna die soon

[odd beacon]

gas

gas

GO BACK

[midnight furnace]

Hello need some info

To get the New Variant Dungeon Framer Kit what should i do?

[odd beacon]

Criterion

[sleek moon]

alright plugins are back

go get your reclears

[midnight furnace]

Just the hard one? Not the advanced one?

[odd beacon]

yea

hardest one

[midnight furnace]

Oh shiet

How hard is it

[odd beacon]

decently hard

idk how to rate it

[midnight furnace]

Worried now

[odd beacon]

havent done it

[midnight furnace]

Can 4 peeps blind do it?

[odd beacon]

depends on raid experience

[midnight furnace]

Worried that next week Criterion will be dead already and i wont be able to do it

[shy obsidian]

i need this so fucking bad

[sleek moon]

i havent done the new one but criterion is pretty much savage mechanics, if you want to do it blind you gotta come up with strats for mechs as you get to them, just dont expect to do it in one lockout

[odd beacon]

its USUALLY a little less obvious than savage by virtue of them having to be more creative since its 4 players

but i havent done this one so idk

im not even BiS yet

😭

PF life

[shy obsidian]

I'M ONLY AT ITEM LEVEL 778
I AM NOT GETTING INTO PROG PARTIES

[odd beacon]

how are u 778 in week 8

thats on u ngl

😭

[shy obsidian]

for some reason the snakin is walling my prog parties
that and uh. college

[worn bluff]

i guess he means just tomes

[odd beacon]

yea even with 9 10 11 thats plenty of books to get a lot higher than 778

[shy obsidian]

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN PAST THE XTREMES YET

[boreal pumice]

man im 776 by just tomestone gear bis , you be slacking

[odd beacon]

oh

i tot snakin meant

12

how is my illegal very useful parkour zipline in wuling 2 digit repairs

but my dogshit middle of nowhere zipline in valley iv 5 digits

😭

[shy obsidian]

I HAVEN'T MUCH TIME TO ACTUALLY PROG, AND WHEN I DO WE CAN NEVER GET THROUGH SNAKING UNSCATHED

[proper cave]

Snacking?

[dull drum]

maybe if you try harder you’ll get through m10

[loud nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263264980481081407/1476675392881295461/Lets_do_this_together.mp3

why didn't that embed

discord

[shy obsidian]

I can do Watersnaking just fine, but Firesnaking is another story....

mostly because I KEEP GETTING WATERSNAKING

[loud nymph]

firesnaking is easier imo

you do puddles, you do puddles again, then you bait jump

then your tank baits cutback blaze

and you're done

[odd beacon]

i find watersnaking easier

[loud nymph]

(in theory you should also be baiting the cutback but I have seen tanks baiting the cutback by running into fire)

[odd beacon]

.. mostly bc you dont really leave puddles

[jolly flume]

fire is harder because I have to fucking move out of the puddles and that's lame

let me cast se.

[odd beacon]

oh its endfield reset brb

[midnight furnace]

Hum i see

[worn bluff]

8.0 rework, healers will become melee with no cast times and tanks will become casters

[jolly flume]

melee healer would honestly be fun but people would cry way too hard about it losing uptime in any 4 ranged 4 melee mechanic

I miss mistweaver

[odd beacon]

its a new tank and phys range right if they follow the pattern

[jolly flume]

yea

[odd beacon]

new phys range 🤮

[jolly flume]

what are the odds the new prange is a real job

[odd beacon]

none

[jolly flume]

surely it's the expansion of prange being good

[odd beacon]

wait

actually

[sleek moon]

It'll do more damage than mch

[odd beacon]

release a second dancer

i wanna see fflogs burn

[jolly flume]

another 3 alphabet letters of dps

[sleek moon]

I wanna see them do pvp cast bars in pve

The whole slow walking while casting

[shy obsidian]

nothing a six-sided star can't fix

[odd beacon]

not happening imo as long as en avant is a thing

[worn bluff]

new prange will be have a big gun and be the strongest selfish DPS

[sleek moon]

I mean only for the new ranged

Not all ranged

[shy obsidian]

ooh, imagine like, big electrope cannon that requires cast times for basic attacks

you can still walk around slowly while casting like... yknow...

[odd beacon]

theyd need to be giga mobile ig

[dull drum]

can we get a new tank

[odd beacon]

i mean it is a new tank

[shy obsidian]

what can they do for a new tank, I wonder...

[odd beacon]

if they follow the pattern

mystic

knight

please

[sleek moon]

Hammerdude

[shy obsidian]

but like, gameplay-wise, what can they do?

[lyric summit]

warrior 5

[midnight furnace]

I never played as PRanged so im kinda wanting to know if they will go through an overhaul

[jolly flume]

idk thats for them to figure out not me

[shy obsidian]

tanks have been sorta written into a corner when it comes to balancing

[odd beacon]

youre not gonna like my answer

[jolly flume]

what balancing

[dull drum]

it wont

[sleek moon]

123 combo, a skill you press 3 times in a row every minute

[odd beacon]

gauge spender

[worn bluff]

it's going to be an "evasion" tank theme but will still have the same formula of mits

[jolly flume]

there are two tanks that are clearly better than the other two tanks

[midnight furnace]

Just make Rune Fencer and have us use Drain Spellsword to regen

[odd beacon]

its funny how

the 2 tanks were

drk and gnb

[worn bluff]

Utsusemi: surrounds shadows that reduce damage taken by 40%.

[odd beacon]

once upon a time

[worn bluff]

Invuln: dodges all damage for 10 seconds.

[midnight furnace]

Bravely Default Intensifies

[odd beacon]

then it became drk and war

[shy obsidian]

paladin is the everything tank now 😔

[odd beacon]

now its drk and pld

[dull drum]

im actually so down for an rng dodge tank

[midnight furnace]

Well we need new jobs they can put the WoL in after all

[worn bluff]

what is GNB now but PLD with explosions and less range

[dull drum]

dodge or die is not a new concept to me

[jolly flume]

50/50 chance you either take no damage from or die to cosmo dive 2

who pullin up

[odd beacon]

GNB is PLD if you like your balls kicked in

[midnight furnace]

Only GNB, RPR and NIN left WoL can appear as

[odd beacon]

gonna be new phys ranged

[shy obsidian]

DESTROY BLADE OF FAITH AND MY LIFE IS YOURS SQUARE ENIXXXXX

[odd beacon]

or new tank ig

[sleek moon]

That was kind of a thing but it only worked with physical autos

[midnight furnace]

Id be surprised if it happened but glad also

[worn bluff]

here's a confiteor combo but with 1/10th the range

[jolly flume]

expedition 33 parry tank

everything is a timed parry

good luck

[sleek moon]

So worthless

[mossy eagle]

Good morning chat surely they added ilvl gear to criterion

[midnight furnace]

Like i dont wanna make any promises cause i didnt expect 2 melee in a row

[mossy eagle]

Can't wait to get it

[midnight furnace]

But yeah we should be locked for Tank and PRanged next expac

[worn bluff]

Parries 40% of damage taken. Cooldown 120s
Parries all damage. Cooldown 5:30
Parries 15% of damage taken for 8 seconds. Parries an additional 15% of damage for 4 seconds.

[odd beacon]

i want them to say fuck the pattern and release a new healer

itll be funny

or its gonna be like only one new job

[jolly flume]

new healer would be neat

I'd like something new to mess with

[odd beacon]

new healer would be ass just because its split 2-2 rn

[zealous meteor]

release a healer and a tank, then make the shadowbringers role master quests mandatory

[sleek moon]

New melee, we don't have many of those

[wind cypress]

probably a new phys ranged, we only have 3 of those

[odd beacon]

tank + phys range is the pattern

[zealous meteor]

when are we getting a new crafter. we haven't gotten one since 1.0

[midnight furnace]

New pranged is the only one im sure of

[loud nymph]

Yeah about that

[shy obsidian]

I think they were being sarcastic bruh

[sleek moon]

Bloat

[worn bluff]

yes it has an ilvl assigned to it

[odd beacon]

hahAHAHEHAHEAHhh

I hope you like

Endwalker ilvl gear

[sleek moon]

Hunter could have been a good DoL addition but they decided to put that shit into the fate vendor instead

[worn bluff]

ilvl: yes

[zealous meteor]

it's got third tier savage ilvl gear :3

[loud nymph]

Of course they were but I have to take every chance to shit on square enix I can

[wind cypress]

hopefully something not goofy, knowing our luck it'll be dress spheres or something

[odd beacon]

i wonder if one of the pjobs is the basis for the new jobs in 8.0

[shy obsidian]

imagine if they do add that gear like, next patch
it's cope but it's not like we get alternative options on THE savage patch

[odd beacon]

surely right

[vestal hollow]

never 💔

[sleek moon]

Cannons

[random needle]

Make a new regen healer, then give AST Diurnal and Nocturnal Sects back

[odd beacon]

Yea this was the biggest reason I was sure it wouldn't have ilvl equivalent gear

[random needle]

Now we have 2.5-2.5 healers

[sleek moon]

Corsair dropping cannons

[wind cypress]

long as I don't have an arm-dog-cannon should be fine

[worn bluff]

FF11 corsair with raid buffs but they're RNG and sometimes suck

[sleek moon]

Might even revive the musketeer guild of limsa for this, musket weapon and cannon skill effects

[odd beacon]

Corsair phys range

Would genuinely just be

rdm phys range

wait thats fucking ShB dancer

when you had to do melee gcds

[wind cypress]

zena, warrior dancer

xena*? I'm old

[shy obsidian]

Yknow I wonder when they'll halt the production of new jobs

[dull drum]

when the game dies

[wind cypress]

since they're 90% the same, doesn't take much to crank them out

[vapid path]

^ this for sure

[limpid edge]

Is the new content good?

[shy obsidian]

idk I feel like after the next two jobs, they'll be at a good point where they can take a short break from any new jobs in the patch after

[loud nymph]

I'm more curious to see when they will ever make wol a healer or caster

hint: never

[shy obsidian]

bro's allergic to magic

[wind cypress]

ranged tank xD

[random needle]

I want a new healer

[jolly flume]

not really, there's one playable shield healer and two pure healers

🙂

but also like whatever they do they're going to have to confront that at some point

unless they ditch the shield pure dichotomy which honestly I don't see

[loud nymph]

add a new pure healer and re add AST sects

[zealous meteor]

jobs are too much of a selling point for them to stop i think

[random needle]

I literally JUST said this

[random needle]

achoo

[jolly flume]

I'm gonna be honest I don't think adding ast sects back would make the job more fun to me at this point

[wind cypress]

besides, what are the people with all lvl 100 jobs (myself included) going to do with our down time?

[jolly flume]

can we get a card system that isn't pure ass first

[loud nymph]

and then when they go to add a new shield healer, they could make AST pure again

[jolly flume]

the literal core identity of the job and it's like drooling square (melee) peg (card) goes in square (melee) hole (player)

[loud nymph]

and then just repeat that cycle every time a new healer comes around

[dull drum]

i love how the ast opener involves skipping the non buff cards just to throw out the double buffs

[odd beacon]

anyone who wanted ast sects back never played ast back then

[dull drum]

😭

[odd beacon]

Nocturnal was add

ass

Diurnal was the only good one

[jolly flume]

give everything else about shb/stb ast back

I miss cards being an actual mechanic

[vapid path]

I just want more phys ranged

[wind cypress]

since we have 2 buff phys ranged, guessing the other one is pure damage xD

[odd beacon]

machinist 2.0

[jolly flume]

yeah because the current pure dmg phys range is doing so well

[odd beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[jolly flume]

😭

[odd beacon]

unironically they can cook

[vapid path]

It better not be because it's just going to be dog shit probably

[odd beacon]

mch is kinda stuck without a full rework

[shy obsidian]

selfish DPS are just doomed to not do much when there's more people (UNLESS YOU'RE A BLACK MAGE)

[random needle]

If they made a new selfish pranged, would it be better or worse than MCH

[vapid path]

Probably worse

[odd beacon]

better

bc theyre designing it from ground up

mch needs a rework

[jolly flume]

I'd be amazed if they managed to make something worse than mch

[loud nymph]

considering their track record it'd be worse

[vapid path]

This is se we're talking about

[wind cypress]

make it a selling point $$$ pay to win machinist lol

[odd beacon]

i mean its the same company that released pct

but then again

depends on your definition of better or worse ig

[wind cypress]

like a blitzball player ..

rofl

[loud nymph]

I don't think sqex has earned the benefit of the doubt on job balance

[vapid path]

It's almost like they should make the next prange blitzballer

[jolly flume]

I deadass do not think they could fuck up a job worse than they have griefed mch already

[random needle]

It feels like they're way more worried about job balance in PVP than PvE, which is...?????????

[jolly flume]

it has been eight years since wildfire worked as a damage accumulator and it still cannot crit or dhit

[odd beacon]

yea bc pvp is delicate

pve as long as the job can clear its fine (mostly)

[terse zodiac]

Even if they did release it with bad numvers at launch theyd obviously buff the new dps job immediately

New jobs sell expansions

[odd beacon]

like its not gonna be an OPTIMAL job but at least you can clear

[terse zodiac]

Its why picto was left strong for ages

[jolly flume]

picto was left strong because they're fucking cowards

I can't imagine a rational line of thought that leads to "leave picto and buff everything else"

actually inexplicable

[odd beacon]

picto was left strong so idiots can do dmg because the idiot caster is often locked out of pf

when they made blm an idiot caster

they nerfed pct

coincidence??

[wind cypress]

to be fair .. the community complained about picto and devs nerfed it down

[jolly flume]

after how long

and not before trying an alternative route

[wind cypress]

took awhile, but it was becoming a joke to only bring a picto

[odd beacon]

they lobotomized pct with the first nerf

😭

[dull drum]

wasnt even a joke it was dead serious lol

[jolly flume]

yeah they didn't even nerf it right

they fucked it up

[odd beacon]

it was SO bad

[jolly flume]

they had what ten months to think about how to nerf it

[shy obsidian]

hammer moment

[jolly flume]

what did they do

they made hammer shit

[stray forge]

nerf rpr

[loud nymph]

delete rpr

[jolly flume]

se's balancing team consists of one intern and their chatgpt pro subscription I am convinced of this and always will be

[shy obsidian]

why is it that balancing is apparently shit and doesn't address actual issues in every single game I play

[odd beacon]

because no one will ever be truly happy

[jolly flume]

idk it does in a lot of games

[odd beacon]

whatever they do someone complains

[wind cypress]

most games are worse than this one at balancing in my experience

[jolly flume]

that's because other games actually have uniqueness in utility and designs

[acoustic rock]

what's the meta for advanced prog, 2-man healer+dps?

[jolly flume]

ffxiv is numbers only

[odd beacon]

its a pve game

ya

like balance is a thing but it often doesnt make or break content

suboptimal sure

(we dont talk about you p8s)

[wind cypress]

you have forum trolls that create tickets saying the competitor class to their main is overpowered, to any number of strategies for the community to skew balance - you just need a development crew that actually plays the game

[jolly flume]

it is orders of magnitude harder to balance a game like rainbow six so my expectations are not remotely similar

[odd beacon]

hot take but i dont understand how the same group of people can ask for actual dps checks but complain about job balance

You can't have your cake and eat it too

[jolly flume]

my expectations of ff balance aren't even high and yet they manage to fall below them every time

ok not every time

but most of the time

buffing the top jobs like

lol man

[odd beacon]

I think its mostly fine atm

anyone locking jobs is a clown

this tier

my friend cleared the tier day 5 with SMN just to prove a point

😭

[uncut pebble]

can people start locking brd/mch i swear all the dancers i've seen in pf are actually lab patients

[stray forge]

the duality

[odd beacon]

its gonna be fine until ultimate when pct is probably king (again)

[shy obsidian]

isn't black mage the best magic DPS at the moment?

or is downtime gonna mega-buff pictomancer again

[odd beacon]

thats why i said ultimate

they'd have to go against their ultimate design philosophy of downtime shit because picto shines in that

[jolly flume]

picto is still gonna be broken in trio phases but trio phases never have dps checks anyways

you just farm gauge in them to carry into the real phases

[odd beacon]

ya but its good cushion

if you can destroy the phase why not

the option is there

[jolly flume]

yeah

black mage is probably still gonna be good though

[odd beacon]

even though pct isnt as good in final phases

the job carries you there

[jolly flume]

polyglots were the og muses

[odd beacon]

blm fru p4 is gas

[random needle]

Once I'm done with Eden, I lowkenuinely wanna try FRU at some point

[odd beacon]

its easy

[jolly flume]

there's a guy I played with a few times who really wanted his tanks to not jump the boss to the wall for somber dance so he could still flare flarestar through it

[odd beacon]

i cleared in 2 weeks

[daring pine]

yum yum

[odd beacon]

but then again my raidlead was also a world racer

so ymmv

[random needle]

It's fun being able to watch vods and point at every mechanic, say "it's like that one mechanic from e12 or e8", and clap like a seal

[shy obsidian]

imagine how funny it would be if bard, dancer or machinist got an in-combat Peloton
only one of em tho

[daring pine]

oh sapph how's the prog going btw

[odd beacon]

chat do i tell him

[shy obsidian]

Expedient, yes

but like... that's scholar-only

[random needle]

I've started m12, but I haven't been super focused on it

[daring pine]

yeah fair

[random needle]

Would have gotten more prog in on the weekend, but Circumstances™️ happened

[daring pine]

why is your tomestone so fucking scary

[shy obsidian]

I just wanna use Peloton more but it's out-of-combat ONLY

[stray forge]

give bard a rescue except it literally rescues EVERYONE in your party

[random needle]

IT'S ME

[odd beacon]

I hate waking up knowing my tomestone will never be as cool as Yoyo's

[daring pine]

AAH

[shy obsidian]

no wait wait hear me out
bard gets the in-combat peloton
dancer gets the rescue
and machinist... now I wonder what they could have hmmm

[random needle]

Idk I just thought the screenshot went hard

[jolly flume]

machinist would have nothing because they're the forgotten child

next question

[shy obsidian]

No but like, what COULD they have

[random needle]

I think the lighting in that scene (post-Singularity Reactor) is broken for Hrothgals and instead of just making your face darker, hroths just look like a FNAF hidden screen

[odd beacon]

i wanted to make a 8.0 machinist joke but ill probably get banned

lowkirkenuinely

[daring pine]

it does

me likey

im going back into m12 later with new static

[terse zodiac]

Mch gets symmetra portal

[stray forge]

mch gets tristana jump

[random needle]

I might saw my leg off/attempt to do reclears tonight to try for more gear

[daring pine]

hey

don't saw your leg off

you need that

[mossy eagle]

This shit was gas when I played 3.0 for the first time

[random needle]

But if I can't get anything tonight or tomorrow, I'll probably head back into m12 again

[jolly flume]

idk what to do this week

very boring week for me

[random needle]

It's still gas I'm ngl, giving our enemies trauma is peam

[jolly flume]

we aren't reclearing and I can't do crit

guess i'll just read spice and wolf for the 27th time

[stray forge]

I am finally getting my adhd meds again after a month

[mossy eagle]

Why no crit for you?

[random needle]

I gotta stay focused better for act 2 next time, I think I moved earlier than I should

[mossy eagle]

Debuff appearing is king

It's delayed from when you expect by like 1 sec

[random needle]

Actually quick point of clarification, do the tether snaps cause AOEs? Or do they just drop the towers?

[worn bluff]

yes

[mossy eagle]

AOEs

If you stand too close to a tether snap you'll get bopped

[random needle]

Ic

[worn bluff]

there will also be an AoE where the alpha is

[sleek moon]

daddy didnt give kitten permission to do crit without him

[mossy eagle]

Yep, if you're alpha 1 or 2, don't car crash going to your outside tower

[worn bluff]

so if an alpha is running out the doorway don't be near them

[random needle]

So if I'm 4β, I want to wait until just a little after 2β starts moving to follow them, so they drop the AOE and tower, then I step into the tower after the AOE

[mossy eagle]

Timing isn't that strict

You can move from center after you see the pop

[worn bluff]

once you see the tower you can go in

[mossy eagle]

No reason to try to be 1 yalm away from safety

[random needle]

Gotcha gotcha

[mossy eagle]

That said, after the tower pops you do need to haul ass a bit back to mid so that your tether isn't fucked

[random needle]

Yeah that's also true

I understand the logic of act 2, it's just. I need to do it to know the timing and movement and stuff

[worn bluff]

it's not too bad once you know the stuff you need to avoid

[mossy eagle]

Yeah for me it was just having the mental map built

And then avoiding some annoying gotchas like the aforementioned car crashing with the alphas

[random needle]

Then act 3 is easy (aside from maybe the initial movement/tower drops?)

[mossy eagle]

For beta I just make note of who my tower buddy is, that one is pretty free

[jolly flume]

one of my group is on vacation this week and then I'm going on vacation on cd next week so we can't go until I'm back lmao

[random needle]

Then curtain call looks straightforward too, and the hard part of slaughtershed is not sailing into the abyss

[jolly flume]

we're doing blind so no going without the group

[worn bluff]

for beta i don't even note where anyone is. i just count the turns

beta is probably the easiest, as long as you remember to go out immediately if you're 2B soaking 4 tower

[mossy eagle]

Act 3 is easy. Some people keep the strat board pulled up for it. The only gotchas I see are:

• East people panic if it's intercards safe and rotate
• N/S not adjusting to NW/SE if cardinals are safe
• someone just straight reads a blob wrong

[worn bluff]

alpha pretty easy too

[jolly flume]

the exit spawns right in front of you at 4 tower

doesn't get easier than that

[worn bluff]

yeah you just need to remember not to fall asleep

[jolly flume]

[mossy eagle]

Only real gotcha in curtain call is locking yourself during puddle drops with something Dragonfire dive or intervene.

And I guess some people yolo too close to the sun with spread spots

[random needle]

I don't think I have any animation locks as BLM?

[mossy eagle]

Oh and sprint/instant casts for the tether break and blob dodge

[jolly flume]

please do not be that guy that breaks off one puddle early and 9/11s the entire party

that is all

[worn bluff]

i started playing DRG. stardiver makes me feel like a caster

when puddles drop

[sleek moon]

i had this sad act 3 wipe, i didnt work the corner hard enough (rdm)

and killed ast

not wipe, death*

[worn bluff]

oh yeah people sometimes forget that big AoEs go off on everyone

so you actually need to be on the corners

[sleek moon]

i thought i was far enough tbh

like the distance doesnt seem that much different from east ppl

but it was

[mossy eagle]

Yeah that looks like an issue of toes being clipped

[worn bluff]

it's prob that pct was closer vertically but total distance was just slightly far enough

they're at least on the far right edge

[odd beacon]

Speaking of Act 2

Savage is always Cardinals exits

Normal is always Intercardinal exits

[valid solar]

savage act 2 is lowkey easier if you are willing to lie about its difficulty

[odd beacon]

I mean its just faster looper

[sleek moon]

i didnt do top and i got act 2 right away

[jolly flume]

chat am I crazy for thinking dr pepper just tastes like carbonated medicine

[sleek moon]

we've had so many mechanics where you do something at #2 and #4 order

or #1 or #3

[odd beacon]

NO

UR SO RIGHT

Theres no dr pepper here

[jolly flume]

I don't get why ppl like it so much lol

[odd beacon]

First time i tried it was like 5 years ago

It tasted like cough medicine

Eugh

[clear plume]

almost finished crit afrter removing the tank

1 lkopckout and last boss is 20%

[jolly flume]

did they cook

[worn bluff]

it's just the natural setup for a mechanic that is "people resolve things in pairs but then also do the opposite thing, with debuffs to restrict the solution"

[odd beacon]

I wonder if depends on your childhood?

Most of my medicine were cherry flavored

[low hearth]

Ts be striking bro

[jolly flume]

that or grape yeah

[odd beacon]

So in my brain its ingrained that cherry flavor is medicine

[low hearth]

Thirst quenching

[worn bluff]

i don't drink any soda anymore but dr pepper was the worst to me

[low hearth]

I love Dr Pepper

[jolly flume]

same with baja blast ngl

it tastes so bad

[low hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-luffy-fight-argument-taste-gif-20986130

[odd beacon]

Dr Pepper reminds me of me 8 year old being force fed medicine

[loud nymph]

It made me think instantly of p9s levinstrike

[low hearth]

Baja Blast be striking too

[worn bluff]

i'm an old asian person who likes things "not too sweet" so i can't do soda anymore

[odd beacon]

I've never had baja blast but you're the second person to have said this 😭

[low hearth]

Best Mountain Dew flavor bro

[loud nymph]

where if you were an even number you had to get jumped on AND soak a tower and all you had to think of is which ones you were doing

[random needle]

Whenever I go to taco bell, Baja blast is, without fail, the best part of the meal

[jolly flume]

I tried it once just because my friend swore up and down it was amazing

it was not

[low hearth]

I could never turn my back on Baja blast

[jolly flume]

does that say more about the soda or the food

[worn bluff]

do they still drink red bull vodkas in school?

[odd beacon]

I like vitamin c supplement drinks so maybe Id like baja blast lol

[jade nimbus]

wait

[jolly flume]

those taste like fanta with less sugar

they're good

baja blast tastes like industrial chemicals

[jade nimbus]

is there no mount from clearing all paths of normal mode in criterion?

[odd beacon]

Im talking abt the concentrated japanese ones

[jolly flume]

ohhhh

[odd beacon]

I hope you like a sleep mask

[jolly flume]

yeah those are uh

nah

lmao

[loud nymph]

I think you just get a facewear for all 12 variant paths

And not a mount this time

[worn bluff]

your reward is the satisfaction of helping the princess

[odd beacon]

its a sleep mask

Is Variant at least better than the Endwalker ones

[jolly flume]

have you heard? princess sphene is here!

[whole estuary]

!!!!!!!!!!! Sleep mask!!!!!!!!!!!

[random needle]

I'm very not picky about soda, but the food at taco bell has almost never failed to disappoint me

[whole estuary]

Now I can wear the nightcap together with the sleep mask!!!!!!!!!

[worn bluff]

The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different paths.

[whole estuary]

I am about to reach peak comfy logout glams

[odd beacon]

I had to begrudgingly drag myself to do all 12 in endwalker lol

[jolly flume]

I haven't been to taco bell in like a decade but I do not recall it being that good

[odd beacon]

The latter part of this sentence is a red flag

[jolly flume]

at least it's still cheap

[worn bluff]

crunchwrap supremes are good

[jade nimbus]

mhm, is the genie from criterion then?

[jolly flume]

beats good ol mickey d's for the most part

[odd beacon]

Yea

[jade nimbus]

mhm, alright

[odd beacon]

The highest difficulty

[jade nimbus]

It is what it is

[odd beacon]

Carpet is from Advanced

[jade nimbus]

yeye, cleared that already

[jolly flume]

all that to get farted on by a genie

[odd beacon]

Just waiting for someone to mod the genie

[jade nimbus]

can be a random drop or you just grind it I assume, ye?

[jolly flume]

🥀

[odd beacon]

iykyk

[odd beacon]

Can be random if its the same as the previous 3

[jade nimbus]

damn

still bad rewards overall

well, they alright

[whole estuary]

into Will Smith?

[odd beacon]

Criterion reward is deadass worse than Aloalo

But I guess they improved the content structure lol

Went from

Casual -> Hard -> kick in your nuts

Casual -> Challenging -> Hard

[jolly flume]

next criterion is gonna heva bozja relics as the weapon set

yall ain't ready

[odd beacon]

I def like that peeps say Advanced is very doable with randoms

[jolly flume]

ngl the last thing I expected was them to reuse alo's set lol

[odd beacon]

Yea LMAO

May as well not have any at all

[low hearth]

Criterion was hard as shit bro 😂

[odd beacon]

Yea but it aint savage criterion lmao

[jolly flume]

where savage...

[odd beacon]

Kick in your nuts

[jolly flume]

crit savage made me a prog-ready healer no cap

I miss getting beaten to death

[quick verge]

why are people complaining about criterion savage when that already exists irl

if u die once u get get samsarastacked

[odd beacon]

A j*b application?

[quick verge]

job application is ultimate

[jolly flume]

job applications nowadays basically have a 24 minute enrage

close enough

[wicked delta]

im so fucking scared

[jolly flume]

i don't get the pun or whatever in the title ngl

[wicked delta]

literally canon

[low hearth]

Oh

Literally canon

[jolly flume]

is it fanfic or something

😭

[wicked delta]

not fanfic specific