ragnarock online which is like the first ever korean mmo. like super old
#endgame-lounge
alpine plover
daring pine
dont forget to transfer yoshi p's consciousness into a moogle
fiery jewel
Wizard101 maybe the best MMO ever for that
the full experience still there
so much content
thin fox
The amount of work that it would take to completely renovate the game's old content to be compatible as a growing catalog of options would essentially take an entire expansion cycle
stray forge
Bro is about to ask who’s playing neverwinter nights
thin fox
and most people are going to prefer an expansion of new content over an expansion of updating old content
fiery jewel
Wizard101 ppl clown on but I think objectively it's one of the best mmos
alpine plover
Unfortunately I lost all interest in the ffxiv story after main dawntrail
fiery jewel
The amount of work that it would take to completely renovate the game's old cont...
they just need to adjust numbers and balancing
that's the main issue
alpine plover
I couldn't pay attention to post dt
fiery jewel
old content is super outdated
alpine plover
I hope next expansion will reignite my interest
thin fox
"just adjust the numbers"
fiery jewel
I think everything ARR-StB feels way too outdated
thin fox
ah yes
rapid whale
IDK the second half of dt and post dy is the best part of dt tho
thin fox
a stat squish
fiery jewel
ifrit hard for example is like a 1 minute trial
fiery jewel
stat squish would make it worse
fiery jewel
they just need to readjust numbers
terse zodiac
endwalker
fiery jewel
for old content
daring pine
o
thin fox
"just adjust the numbers" ok and then they have to do it again
and again
and again
and again
fiery jewel
nobody really enjoys crystal tower
rapid whale
Where my 67 billion hp
thin fox
and how much time is it worth eating up
fiery jewel
which is fine
alpine plover
when was the last stat squish again
i squish you
thin fox
to fiddle with old content numbers
fiery jewel
it's not like square enix is a small company
fiery jewel
and they wouldn't have to really
daring pine
MY EARS
fiery jewel
like ifrit / garuda / titan hard are just outdated trials
alpine plover
whole estuary
they just need to readjust numbers
"Just make an Unreal for literally everything that's been released for 10 years at once"
Ezpz
worn bluff
Where my 67 billion hp
i hate the style of health bar where it's like "x10234987"
thin fox
I would rather they just make new content that's good and interesting rather than spend all of their time updating old content
worn bluff
just give me one health bar
daring pine
kin kin will you be frolicking in the bunny meadow next expansion
stray forge
Bro is about to ask who’s playing next Dofus expac
whole estuary
Yes!!!!!
fiery jewel
what good is new content when people finish it and then complain there's nothing to do in the game though
that's the issue with only adding new content
fiery jewel
you need all of the games content to be timeless and approachable
daring pine
yesterday i logged on and my fc made me aware that we have two new bnuuys
worn bluff
what good is new content when people finish it and then complain there's nothing...
this is why replayable content is good. ultimates are evergreen
daring pine
two!
whole estuary
Waow
fiery jewel
But even Ultimate it's like poorly balanced now
daring pine
so i went to fc house
thin fox
ok well I don't want an entire expansion of no content because they put all their resources into completely revamping how the entire game's content catalog works
daring pine
and did bunny inspection
whole estuary
A warren...
fiery jewel
can they adjust UWU a bit so you have to do all mechanics eah
daring pine
very good bnuys
worn bluff
But even Ultimate it's like poorly balanced now
i think some people like certain ultimates for the goofy stuff you can do
daring pine
+2 veenas to the fc
fiery jewel
the can keep the goofiness still
UWU for example I don't think u should be able to kill ifrit so fast
Ifrit gets ripped nowadays
whole estuary
Making an Unreal takes more effort than you think
rapid whale
But even Ultimate it's like poorly balanced now
Bro you can push top so fast that a scripted raid wide goes out during a mechanic and makes it impossible lol
fiery jewel
Making an Unreal takes more effort than you think
Because you sync everything up to 100
whole estuary
And it still needs relevant rewards
fiery jewel
Bro you can push top so fast that a scripted raid wide goes out during a mechani...
Ye it's just bad design both ways
both are issues
whole estuary
Unreal is a good comparison for "just adjust it"
fiery jewel
you shouldn't be punished for playing good
thin fox
Here are your two options:
- Permanently sign away a section of the dev team to be dedicated to updating the numbers on years-old content every time there's a new BiS because every time this happens it affects the sync
- Dedicate an entire expansion or more to completely reinventing the stat and level sync system so that it gets updated automatically
neither are happening
stray forge
When are they adding duty support for uwu 
fiery jewel
I would be more on the side of #2 tbh
fiery jewel
I think the issue with syncing is that it removes materia
thin fox
that would be 1-2 entire expansions where we basically get 0 system updates
fiery jewel
materia should be synced also most likely
thin fox
because they would solely be focused on this
fiery jewel
If it's as hard as you say maybe
alpine plover
if they do something like pull the thing they did for criterion for ultimates
fiery jewel
IDK I'm not a developer
alpine plover
i think half the community will quit ngl 😭
thin fox
they took like 2 entire expansions to add hats to hrothgars if they committed to reinventing stat sync we would not see it finished until 14.0
fiery jewel
What happened to Criterion Andy?
terse zodiac
half the community does not do ulitmates so thats a wild assumption lol
fiery jewel
they took like 2 entire expansions to add hats to hrothgars if they committed to...
Good point
I guess all we can do is like hope
terse zodiac
it would be ridiculous but a very small portion of players would quit
stray forge
Why does only tithus get referred to as Andy
alpine plover
i guess so
stray forge
There are like 17 of us
fiery jewel
like maybe if they actually get higher budget or something
daring pine
xiv maint has me doing things
alpine plover
My andy is in the front
fiery jewel
I think dawntrail content is fine though if we got same amount of content next expac I'm not really mad
thin fox
i'm good i think
fiery jewel
I think issue is Dawntrail high-end content is too easy. And they spread the other content out very bad.
fiery jewel
What's Celeste btw?
thin fox
2d platformer
stray forge
I loved ender lilies
thin fox
very fun
trim frost
celeste bangs
thin fox
yes
trim frost
music bangs
thin fox
its on switch / playstation / steam
fiery jewel
highkey think I might try it
thin fox
it has dlc but its free dlc and just comes with the game
fiery jewel
looks really cool I googled it
trim frost
thin fox
i recommend playing on pc if you can because it does have an extensive modding community
people who design entire packs of levels
trim frost
i played it on fucking epic games because it was free at one point
fiery jewel
just platformer or combat also?
thin fox
just platformer
trim frost
just platformer
fiery jewel
that's fine never really a genre I did though but new stuff is cool
thin fox
there are 'enemies' sometimes but theyre, like, platformer enemies
trim frost
pretty dang hard game whose modding community makes it even harder
dapper zealot
horrible woke game because a trans flag that's only 1 pixel big is shoved in my face :)
fiery jewel
lol
stray forge
So true
thin fox
thin fox
outrage makes money 
dapper zealot
<:sobjpeg:1351411657741701140>
It's a bad platformer cause it's all rng, like how am I supposed to see what the level looks like if the character takes up the entire screen?
daring pine
feed me
trim frost
i can't give you what sates you
fiery jewel
Do you all think maintenance will end early?
trim frost
i think i'm gonna ignore reclears if i just care about 12
daring pine
do i bully liv into waking up to play terraria
trim frost
uh oh
fiery jewel
I hope Variant duty finder is active
the old ones basically impossible to find 4 ppl
worn bluff
I loved ender lilies
tbh i kind of like ender lilies more than hollow knight but more bc of the theme
fiery jewel
Hollow Knight made me realize I like that genre way more than I thought I would
worn bluff
i hope there’s a third ender game
fiery jewel
I like backtracking / completionist games though and Hollow Knight kinda like that
shy obsidian
how high do yall think the price of the clothing is gonna go
fiery jewel
A lot
they look really good
Variant you usually have to do the dungeons multiple time to get the rewards and alot of ppl aren't willing to do that
they would rather pay gil
shy obsidian
and they've got sex appeal... and people are gonna be unmotivated to go through the dungeon...
terse zodiac
early on several mil, drop down to 1m for the good items shortly
fiery jewel
As FemViera I def want it
shy obsidian
fuckkkkkk
fiery jewel
male one looks really good
alpine plover
wtf
fiery jewel
that looks really good
atleast on hrothgar
I think hrothgar is probably the best it will look on
shy obsidian
mwehhehehehhehehehheheh
visual geyser
Elevated ester comes from criterion apparently
shy obsidian
oh boy here we go again
fiery jewel
What is elevated ester exactly
can someone explain
I don't understand still tbh...
visual geyser
Which means getting the old criterion weapons easy
shy obsidian
somethjing something Exquisite Weapon material
makes em all shiny
visual geyser
Pretty cool considering I have nun of those old weps
shy obsidian
Pretty cool considering I have nun of those old weps
very, VERY unfortunate for those who really like criterion dungeons tho
NO. NEW. SHINIES.
terse zodiac
could be added for 790s in .5, it was never going to happen when savage is still relevant
visual geyser
Also the next expansion looks like it’s gonna be ||ff7 themed|| spoilers
visual geyser
||red 13 minion in the files||
fiery jewel
OMG
trim frost
What is elevated ester exactly
so you know the il660 weapons you can get from poetics
fiery jewel
okay that will actually save the game
literally just doing that will save the game
tbh lol
rain geode
bed or stay up to try the new variant dungeon
alpine plover
Also the next expansion looks like it’s gonna be ||ff7 themed|| spoilers
next expansion?
fiery jewel
If they theme it the same level as they did || ff9 this expac ||
visual geyser
Yur
fiery jewel
it will 100% save the game
visual geyser
Items in the files
alpine plover
wao
visual geyser
Datamined for fanfest
alpine plover
ok maybe i dont quit
fiery jewel
makes sense tho
trim frost
so you know the il660 weapons you can get from poetics
elevated ester allows you to augment those further into "exquisite weapons" which are il665 with a special vfx applied to them
highly sought after due to (formerly) only being obtainable from aais
fiery jewel
elevated ester allows you to augment those further into "exquisite weapons" whic...
I like this but also why not do this for 790 tome weapons alsoo
but better to have it then not
it's a good addition
trim frost
uhh
shy obsidian
idk how people would feel about Exquisite Bygone Brass weapons....
trim frost
well for exquisite weapons existing it was two reasons
- 650 weapons were weapon design winners implemented from a contest
fiery jewel
tbh these ones look pretty shit
trim frost
- people complained about criterion not having good rewards
fiery jewel
no wonder they look good
terse zodiac
naw thats wild some of them look great
worn bluff
i wonder if the exquisite thing was driven by some internal metric they have. like “we spent time and money to hold this contest and make these weapons, but barely anyone had them. so we need to add them to new content instead of making new weapons, to recoup the cost”
fiery jewel
honestly can't blame them
because these tome weapons look pretty awful
you can't do much with these ones
trim frost
people were def outspoken about criterion just not being reward-driven
trim frost
because it was cool high-end content but with very low interest and clear rates due to having no meaningful rewards
fiery jewel
or similar
rapid whale
is the reward literally just the endwalker tome weap shiny again
thats actually so sad if its true
trim frost
yea
fiery jewel
if that's the only reward
terse zodiac
outside the normal rewards yeah
worn bluff
they probably moved almost all resources to new expansion now
so recycling whatever they can
shy obsidian
so besides savage gear, what else should cirterion dungeons give out as rewards to make em worthwhile?
worn bluff
glam
rapid whale
they should have added glowing armor or something
fiery jewel
even if criterion savage has no real rewards just having it
provides reason for hardcore raiders to do it
rapid whale
we have a bunch of glowing weapons where the glowing armor other than eureka
trim frost
most of the rewards are glam
fiery jewel
Criterion needs a mount atleast
trim frost
or some other cosmetic
fiery jewel
imo I would literally just copy chaotic
terse zodiac
almost nobody engaged with it so reworking it into a new system was inevitable or abandoning it entirely
fiery jewel
have a mount that you can only get from doing criterion
have a mount you can sell on mb from criterion for gil
have a minion you can sell on mb from criterion for gil
shy obsidian
the Genie???
fiery jewel
that's what made chaotic grindable
trim frost
all blame on the team that comes up with rewards because i'm sure the fight designers are having a good time flexing their muscles
shy obsidian
well whatever the case is, I've been seated
rapid whale
yea im sure the fights r gonna be fucking awesome given dt track record; fru might have been considered "too easy" or w/e but it was still fun as fuck
terse zodiac
abyssos existed
fiery jewel
from what I play
rapid whale
stares at heavensward /s
fiery jewel
abyssos kind of peak though no?
shy obsidian
does... Gordias count
trim frost
xd
terse zodiac
p8 was good
trim frost
abyssos is controversial
fiery jewel
p5 p8
visual geyser
Apparently variant gives paste
fiery jewel
peak
visual geyser
Amount unknown
trim frost
6/7 (laugh it up) were kinda bleh
trim frost
i was alright with them since it was my first actual savage tier
fiery jewel
starting with abyssos
trim frost
but a lot of people were not too pleased with it
fiery jewel
shhh
shy obsidian
All I know about the Proto-Carbuncle is Devour
worn bluff
all blame on the team that comes up with rewards because i'm sure the fight desi...
just like how i think the writers do a good job with overall story but then the quest designers are the lazy ones
terse zodiac
5 was frustrating in the worst way, 6 was boring, 7 was boring and frustrating
trim frost
p5 is a pretty good first floor honestly
rapid whale
the long time raiders ive spoken to said arcadion had similar highs to panda but way better in the low end
trim frost
in terms of complexity
shy obsidian
i was alright with them since it was my first actual savage tier
which is why I look at the Light-Heavyweight tier so fondly ❤️
terse zodiac
devour was the most nothing mechanic that walled pf so hard
fiery jewel
dancing green is legit a top tier first floor
that's the one I will defend this expac
rapid whale
m4s will always have a special place in my heart as my first final floor savage
shy obsidian
ME TOO
fiery jewel
m4s just got killed by dps check
shy obsidian
that day was a day to remember
I roped in a bunch of yall to finally get my clear because PF was something
fiery jewel
honestly I think every final floor mechanic wise this expac
was too easy
so it's not like m4s is an outlier
rapid whale
eh
shy obsidian
and now look at me... walled behind Sugar Riot and the Xtremes (tbf I'm experimenting with roles I'm not familiar with so uh)
rapid whale
idyllic is more of a study check ill give u that, m8s and m4s suffered from not being door bosses
fiery jewel
I think the difference is m8s and m12s had actual dps checks week 1
m4s not rlly
but is m4s harder than m12s lowkey maybe
rapid whale
bro there was week 1 kills logged with double digit deaths in m4s
trim frost
idyllic is more of a study check ill give u that, m8s and m4s suffered from not ...
tbh i think hype and complexity are negatively correlated
fiery jewel
like
ik it sounds crazy
but once you know m12s
is it really harder than m4s mechanic wise?
rapid whale
i mean thats just the nature of puzzle mechs tho no
trim frost
4/8 definitely get the adrenaline going because it demands a single pull of perfect play even if the mechanics themselves aren't the hardest thing in the world
(and the transition is better for it too)
fiery jewel
m8s the hardest final floor for sure this expac
rapid whale
like the difficulty comes in the prog not the reclear; i think the prime example of this was UWU
fiery jewel
I think it's undeniable
m8s disbanded statics
m12s I don't see that happening really
rapid whale
yea it was m11s that broke statics up this tier lmao
shy obsidian
4/8 definitely get the adrenaline going because it demands a single pull of perf...
i feel like Wicked Thunder's back n' forth transition could've benefited from being a teensy bit more chaotic
fiery jewel
arcadion ultimate def has potential
because the spectacle of the fights themselves are extremely cool
that's the main draw
rapid whale
(and the transition is better for it too)
i think in terms of hype factor, the strongest argument for no door boss was the way they could sync mechanics to the music that was absolute cinema
shy obsidian
I wonder what the Grand Champion weapons will look like when they're all shiny....
fiery jewel
m12s almost feels like it could be a door boss
but it's too long
if m12s was door boss it would disband statics for sure
rapid whale
bruh imagine having to prog rep 1/2 after a pull of p1 each time LMAO
terse zodiac
forget that, imagine having to learn idyllic dream 
fiery jewel
biggest thing they missed on with m12s imo is the dps check
shy obsidian
i kinda vibe with this Splatoon-ass brush
i wonder what it'll look like hwen it's all shiny
fiery jewel
way too lenient
terse zodiac
would be hell on earth without a sim
rapid whale
its because its meant to be a puzzle boss
again, all the difficulty budget is in the prog not the execution
fiery jewel
One day they will make a P2 that is just one big mechanic like Idyllic Dream
and that's all it is
watch
rapid whale
i mean ther was thaat theory that idyllic dream was a scrapped fru phase
with the towers being juncitons or w/e (i didnt do eden)
dapper zealot
m12s almost feels like it could be a door boss
is m12s not a door boss?
trim frost
door is checkpoint
rapid whale
door = check point
dapper zealot
checkpoint
fiery jewel
mb I'm just dumb haha
trim frost
"get your foot in the door" or whatever
fiery jewel
yeah
amber fable
No checkpoint all ew 4th floor would be 10x harder
Imagine meming post Phoenix
And back to duty start
fiery jewel
EW just has way harder door boss than what m12s is
m12s p1 yeah it's cool but is it a good fight not really
fiery jewel
if cruel coil the boss randomly rotated every time
instead of being fixed CW rotation
amber fable
Temu snakes
fiery jewel
we could have serious mech
but cruel coil is such a fixed mechanic it's not really hard
alpine plover
yea m12s p1 is awk
rapid whale
its a striking dummy lets b real
fiery jewel
which is a shame
everything burns extremely cool
what makes p8s p1 good extremely fun door boss while having goated music
terse zodiac
cruel coil is perfectly fine for savage difficulty, the rest is the easy stuff
amber fable
Everything burns except the fight
fiery jewel
cruel coil too easy imo
alpine plover
cute coil
fiery jewel
like if they just made the snake randomly rotate each time
so u can't tell where it's going
ppl would wipe way more
terse zodiac
that really wouldnt' ahve made it harder you just use your eyes
trim frost
cruel coil is perfectly fine for savage difficulty, the rest is the easy stuff
splattershed just being "haha guys did anyone check the hands" and then someone doesn't do it right and you're fucked for the enrage check
amber fable
Gotcha mechs
fiery jewel
not opposed to splattershed but was it really needed 3 times idk
alpine plover
static buffs
fiery jewel
choke checks are fine
shy obsidian
everything burns extremely cool
i literally turned my music to 0 just so I could listen to this during the normal version
fiery jewel
yeah it takes up 2 minutes of the fight
worn bluff
doesn't really fit FRU
i mean warping space and time doesn’t really fit a regenerating snake either
rapid whale
3x knock back makes me cry as a caster
rapid whale
i have, it sucks
amber fable
Regen so hard it made a black hole
fiery jewel
M12S it's kind of a miss honestly I think this tier is kinda a miss compared to CW but it's not bad enough for me to actively bash it or anything
worn bluff
time/dimension shenanigans would fit gaia
fiery jewel
M10S M11S hard carry
rapid whale
ya
alpine plover
can you smudge out of the knockback?
fiery jewel
probably but it's hard
amber fable
M11 has 4 min of weps
shy obsidian
since when can we smudge out of knockbacks?
amber fable
And its kinda boring...
worn bluff
for me it’s 12 > 10 > 9 > 11
amber fable
Its fine after that
alpine plover
pog
fiery jewel
I think they could have had a unique mechanic before Behemoth
but it's third floor so can't expect that unfortunately
alpine plover
since when can we smudge out of knockbacks?
if the knockback doesn't "stun" you , you can do that
fiery jewel
M7S was very similar also
trim frost
you can't get "out" of a knockback with gap closers but with good timing (and ping) you can cancel the knockback effect early
fiery jewel
titan landslide you can do that
alpine plover
not rly
fiery jewel
but need like perfect timing
alpine plover
i dont have good ping
fiery jewel
it's almost impossible
alpine plover
but i know the timing for my ping
fiery jewel
which is fine
alpine plover
and i can do that
trim frost
inconsistent ping will fuck you
alpine plover
not wrong
fiery jewel
ping the biggest issue for combat everytime
thin fox
I would legit be so fucked if I moved to the US
having to relearn how to play the game
with new ping
fiery jewel
lower or higher?
If it's lower you'll be completely fine
there's like zero downside for having lower ping
compared to a shooter where there is some
worn bluff
you can't get "out" of a knockback with gap closers but with good timing (and pi...
someone gap close canceled the defamation kb in M12
there’s not much use case for it
but kind of wild considering how fast that kb is
fiery jewel
pretty sure u can kb cancel anything on the x and y axis
but not a vertical kb tower like m11s
rapid whale
yea the window is basically "before this would kill you"
thin fox
there's like zero downside for having lower ping
you basically have to relearn what you're allowed to get away with
I felt this first hand when I played in OCE when the tier launched due to the DDOS
thin fox
playing with 30 ping instead of 180 ping was like a whole new game and it was a difficult adjust
fiery jewel
but I get what you saying
fiery jewel
lower ping almost feels like cheating sometimes
thin fox
its not oh I benefit from high ping
fiery jewel
my ping it's not that great I live in northeast usa
thin fox
its I have high ping and I know what I can and cant do
when you change your ping
that changes
you can argue it changes to something better
you might even be right
fiery jewel
northeast usa is like 80-100 ping dependening on where you live
thin fox
but its still something different
fiery jewel
its I have high ping and I know what I can and cant do
ye
MrHappy for example he has reallly good ping if you watch his raid videos he cheeses mechanics
lol
alpine plover
but its still something different
Yea but eu-na vs oce-na is like insane difference
Ask tobi
wind cypress
so uh ping is the actual travel distance of a signal along a set of network cables from your router to the game server and back, that's just a fake ping, aka a client side appearance of having low ping but the server will still snapshot you right?
like you can't physically cheat ping, so what is no clippy doing?
amber fable
No clippy dont affect your snapshot in gameplay
The client has a delay based on your ping for actions..so a higher ping leads to inability to double weave since game just dont register the action fast enough
No clippy set it to 10ms
alpine plover
It doesnt decrease your ping
It just makes it so a cringe game functionality doesn't make you suffer by making it better
clear plume
it hacks tyhe game to remove animation lock
amber fable
Noclippy github explains it
clear plume
not reduces ping
wind cypress
cool, makes sense
shy obsidian
soooo maintie's expected to drop soon, huh?
shy obsidian
just do a single run of the dungy for the story
and then shonk miimimki ,immmmimmim
shy obsidian
i wonder which path will be my first...
rain geode
The thing is Im not sure if tonight is a bed at all angle
since its already four and waking up sounds awful
thin fox
game up
shy obsidian
WOOO
devout wraith
Is there a criterion world first race
shy obsidian
WAIT I FORGOT TO DOWNLOAD SHIT
terse zodiac
not a serious one
theres always gonna be people who want to clear the new higher end content first
visual geyser
No rewards in this shi anyway
valid solar
cant play without xivalex so im gonna do hildy first
and then maybe variant on summoner or some other job that doesnt weave
thin fox
alex is up
proper cave
All of Aether locked down again. Crystal mostly open. Primal not as open. Dynamis still lol
shy obsidian
wanna do a single run togetha
thin fox
its in shar
visual geyser
Thx
shy obsidian
just like every other variant dungeon..
thin fox
its go time
rain geode
Alright where do I actually start it?
thin tartan
Can soemone ping with advanced review
shy obsidian
speak to Shallow Moor
thin tartan
If its actually normal difficulty
shy obsidian
man we've been meeting the Ys a lot recently, huh
terse zodiac
girl is just casually munching on the heart of sabik
proper cave
man we've been meeting the Ys a lot recently, huh
Met: Shtola, Mhitra, Adebh, Nazqha, Sohnjin.
Not met: Sumbla, Ranmaia, Talhdi, Mallibo, Raigoh, Jhimei, Napa.
Two minor notes. Mallibo is Mhitra's twin and both are Y'shtola's full sisters. And Jhimei is the one who went to FF15.
dapper zealot
Which one was the one we met in cosmic?
proper cave
Y'adebh
dapper zealot
Oh Y'Sohnjin is a vendor, no wonder why I didn't remember
shy obsidian
dapper zealot
fuck I forgot one seal on WT
versed kayak
oh wait I just realised, cooly is probably super happy about the reaper buffs
dapper zealot
at least I got one line
shy obsidian
so no party members on the first run?
proper cave
Should be able to run with four right away. Think that’s just saying you can’t refill if someone dips.
Still strange that they made this, too, an alt leveling spot.
thin fox
those are some fancy new markers
dapper zealot
oooh
rapid whale
The warp towers are back?
thin fox
that is directional damage
dapper zealot
wait so do you turn the circle to block damage?
thin fox
you need the aoe to point to a non-red side
dapper zealot
mhmm bullet hell mechs
thin fox
ok so I need to see all 3 bosses to unlock adv
dapper zealot
wait omg holy shit you can still add seals to your WT after reset
lyric summit
secret ending too easy 
thin fox
dude what is this fucking scythe 
finite plank
so, it wasn't intended afterall
tired egret
DT Relic Scythe current stage
thin fox
who up moving crates
low hearth
mid content
thin fox
secret ending too easy <:worryass:734250669661356043>
is there a guide for this
low hearth
secret ending too easy <:worryass:734250669661356043>
Bro fighting Ultros
lyric summit
i tell u after i wipe/clear
dapper zealot
godamn speedrunning
lyric summit
bro got so many oneshot mechs
thin fox
oh theres the mount guy
thin tartan
vis do me a favor pls do the advanced and tell us if its normal
tired egret
besides one guy having a randy marsh style moment of bliss
lyric summit
variant secret boss route:
also literal huge spoilers for probably the best content in xiv which is puzzle-solving the lore journal which you can only do once per variant and cant unlearn
||markets - seaweed route - at the altar; /bow > /s I am returned! > coral-spiral shell-starfish-pearl||
dapper zealot
washed
dusk sky
I don't understand ||Chart Course|| 
versed kayak
for variant or criterion
thin fox
you have to do all 3 variant bosses to even unlock advanced so
it wouldnt be criterion lol
lyric summit
14 paste poggers
thin fox
visual geyser
tags bro
thin fox
2 bosses down
lyric summit
I don't understand ||Chart Course|| <a:VOICES:1116789564070174890>
just go ||wall opposite ships, away from tethered lever|| i think that always solves it
bc they go on the glowing tracks but he swaps one of them
tired egret
hmm that outfit does look really nice
visual geyser
this is a nice set
thin fox
there we go
trim frost
I don't understand ||Chart Course|| <a:VOICES:1116789564070174890>
||flips the path that's next to the lever, you need to get onto a track that won't get hit||
thin tartan
there we go
Please say its normal difficulty itd be so fucking funny
amber fable
Its the normal mode criterion
alpine plover
oh you get paste from variant
alpine plover
o
amber fable
So not really much relevant
thin fox
healer blames me for clipping them
when they were
nowhere near where they were meant to be
ok bro
sleek moon
Except it has rez
wouldnt that make it normal equivalent lol
amber fable
Normal is advance now
I am just going by patch notes
The another series is hardest
sleek moon
but they are asking about comparing to the old criterion normal
amber fable
Theres no savage
alpine plover
so you cannot solo it?
amber fable
Advance need a pair atleast?
amber fable
You can 2 man it
sleek moon
advanced is 2-4, another is 4
amber fable
Yea
stiff sage
reclearing at reset really is a damn double edged sword
i clear 9 and 10 in 30 min total and 11 takes over an hour because the same fucking person wiped both of my parties aaaa
stiff sage
psa please go to bed if you're tired and reclearing
sleek moon
billy it's gonna be free for you no matter what
low hearth
IS ASVANCED FREE OR NO INX
It is
low hearth
There’s no damage downs or nothing you just kill boss
sleek moon
they mentioned criterion has more mechanics that arent in advanced
low hearth
Normal with harder mechanics
thin tartan
HOW MUCH FOR ESTER
low hearth
40 advanced coins
thorny bronze
How many coins do you get per run
low hearth
Like 4 but there’s a chest at the end with coins you can roll on
finite plank
2 digits off 4
shy obsidian
first piece of new clothing on the market board and dear lord
i wonder if I should try to capitalize off of it as well
visual geyser
of course
low hearth
damn the criterion way harder 
trim frost
see this is why i hate doing variants in df
fucking third time and people STILL want to go down the left route
visual geyser
damn the criterion way harder <:GIGACOOKED:1402550527186702366>
Word?
wind cypress
act doesn't update till later right?
finite plank
reclears done, only m10s took an extra pull
i got kicked in the face from snaking during recollection accidentally using my movement fingers for movement and pressed empty buttons during clone stacks
devout wraith
Advanced needs 2 people? I thought it was soloable?
grand mesa
fucking third time and people STILL want to go down the left route
What's left to do?
That was bad, sorry
visual geyser
Advanced needs 2 people? I thought it was soloable?
Needs 2 people
Variant is the easy mode
finite plank
What's *left* to do?
devout wraith
What are the rewards for another?
finite plank
||did y'nazqha just eat a rock||
visual geyser
Mount hair
grand mesa
||what haven't they eaten?||
visual geyser
Don’t think there’s really anything else
sleek moon
a mount hair 
devout wraith
Is the hair in the one in the patch notes? Or is it new?
low hearth
Is the hair in the one in the patch notes? Or is it new?
Yes
low hearth
Gaius hair
trim frost
if ur not level 100 yes
sleek moon
gaius hair
trim frost
gay ass hair
sleek moon
all the garlean roleplayers will be happy
rain geode
man I gotta run a lot of this for the glams
trim frost
it's gonna be a lot of runs
devout wraith
Is the glam in the patch notes obtainable from variant?
rain geode
Doing them all alone sounds annoying
trim frost
only gonna do them alone for log completion because getting three of the same route was really fucking annoying
devout wraith
There's like 3 currencies right? Potsherds, brass, and manuscript?
trim frost
(wasn't fully the same route but i got the same bosses and it sucked)
rain geode
oh how do you get the other currency?
trim frost
potsherd is variant, brass is advanced, manuscript is criterion
rain geode
Criterion is the hard version whats brass?
trim frost
did nobody read the updated structure for this one 😭
eternal tulip
What are the advanced rewards (if anyone knows yet)?
shy obsidian
hmmmm do you think the Story-Lover set or the Story-Spinner set will sell more?
eternal tulip
The dancery one will probably sell better
shy obsidian
WHICH ONE
rain geode
did nobody read the updated structure for this one 😭
bro I didnt read the first version this is my first time actually doing variant
shy obsidian
cheese n rice...
visual geyser
Getting excited about 8.0
Those data mines r interesting.
||red 13 and cloud’s advent children bike|| are the fanfest items
devout wraith
Aloalo ester is for the exquisite weapons?
trim frost
yes
devout wraith
you can get it from advanced? :(
trim frost
yes
daring pine
time to check out this dungeon
devout wraith
Did they just devalue the exquisite weapons :(
daring pine
help
trim frost
change job
thin fox
does advanced even have enrage
daring pine
one of the whms did
devout wraith
because devs are incompetent
OC all over again
shy obsidian
oooh la la
finite plank
why do i feel more greener than usual
shy obsidian
i wonder if selling it for 20 million is a good idea....
thin fox
ok yeah advanced is free as fuck
shy obsidian
how are yall already progging that
dapper zealot
Is it easier than ex or same ish?
dapper zealot
Damn
devout wraith
I've been progging savage aloalo with my static 2-3 days a week for about almost half a year now, we're about 50-70% done, and we've been doing it for the weapons. Now you're telling me we can just do variant advanced for the weapons? :(
tiny steeple
hi. anyone knows which shield is stronger the augmented 790 shield or relic shield?
thin fox
you can just rezbot through fight
dapper zealot
The 790, relic is only 775
trim frost
no fucking way
dapper zealot
Only 3 mil?
tiny steeple
it has 30 extra crit tho ;_;
dapper zealot
Oh minion
alpine plover
I've been progging savage aloalo with my static 2-3 days a week for about almost...
yes
trim frost
yep
i really wish they didn't
i don't know why they're so insistent on making old content even less worth doing
dapper zealot
I've been progging savage aloalo with my static 2-3 days a week for about almost...
ggs
thin fox
swordmaster seems harder than the mermaid
rapid whale
criterion mode seems real fun
shy obsidian
i don't even know what the path on the left has
thin fox
too bad theres no rewards
shy obsidian
nobody in my parties has ever chosen to go that way
loud nymph
Did they just devalue the exquisite weapons :(
that's fucking hilarious tbh
thin fox
yeah idk how to read swordmaster at all
swordmaster looks like u kinda need a rea strat
alpine plover
rea
zealous meteor
that's fucking hilarious tbh
dawntrail is the lets make old content worthless expansion after all
alpine plover
devout wraith
What else is left that's special on aloalo savage? Just the title?
alpine plover
the title yea
loud nymph
square enix is so allergic to motivating people to do difficult content
devout wraith
I'm salty
sleek moon
tbh werent exquisite weapons fan design stuff
trim frost
yes
devout wraith
tbh werent exquisite weapons fan design stuff
Yes
thin fox
million dollar company cant make 21 weapons every 3 years
loud nymph
the exquisites were glows for the fan design stuff
but the weapon design contest stuff was already available since they were the anabaseios tomestone weapons
thin fox
i kind of just don't care they don't have an excuse imo
worldly grotto
Hey be nice, they have to spend that sub money on projects that cost billions and won’t bring in a fraction of the revenue they expect it to make only to cancel it in 6 months
You just don’t understand business
sleek moon
the craziest thing to me is they still wont put some gearing alternatives there, like nobody would complain if you could get some twines from criterion before hunts make them worthless
or another ring option
zealous meteor
dawntrail is the lets make old content worthless expansion after all
CE has a ton of ishgard restoration rewards, OC took everything from eureka and bozja, now the variant stole aloalo's rewards
worldly grotto
Wait what you can get the exquisite weapons from just the base variant now? ☠️
thin tartan
its from advanced
devout wraith
Do you just unlock being able to buy aloalo ester the moment you unlock variant advanced? There's not a chance that you still need to beat aloalo savage to unlock being able to buy them...?
worldly grotto
That’s fucked up
thin tartan
40 coins from advanced for ester
4 per clear
with additional that you can roll on
its in the advanced exchange
so no
you dont need aais clear
devout wraith
If you didn't ever touch aloalo advanced, you can just buy them?
thin tartan
or atleast thats what i know of
im p sure the two arent like
connected
@thin fox are you still on
can you check
thin fox
what am i checking
thin tartan
advanced currency exchange store plz
can u see if the ester is there
u havent cleared aais right
thin fox
thin tartan
wait whatg
thin fox
it might not appear unless you clear
devout wraith
So its not unlocked unless you clear aloalo savage?
loud nymph
so maybe you do need to still clear another aloalo savage
thin fox
this is advanced
thin tartan
this is just variant exchange store no?
thin fox
brass is advanced
loud nymph
brass is advanced
thin fox
normal uses potsherds
loud nymph
potsherd is normal
loud nymph
lmao at the auto mute btw
shy obsidian
BRUHHHH
trim frost
rip bozo
thin fox
this is normal
i don't have access to criterion one
think you have to unlock criterion to show it
trim frost
hopw u ulnock advanced
thin fox
beat any 3 bosses from variant
thin fox
then go talk to npc in sharlayan
thin fox
i say any 3 cuz i think you can do secret boss for one of them
thin tartan
.
alpine plover
.
dapper zealot
.
shy obsidian
.
wanton iris
shy obsidian
COME ON YOU RUINED IT
thin tartan
ok so you CANT see ester
thin fox
the way advanced works is you go in and you do the vote thing to pick which you do
and once you've picked one
thin tartan
so we still have
thin fox
you cannot pick a different one until you beat the one you picked
[or leave and reenter instance of course]
loud nymph
we sitll HAVE to do aais
but here's the funny thing
shy obsidian
did yall jump to conclusions????
loud nymph
for anyone who has cleared aais and still wants exquisites
it is still better for them to do advanced
loud nymph
because it's easier
thin fox
its probably just a case of you cant see that part of the exchange unless you clear
shy obsidian
So uh. is Ester available for us non Epic Heroes or not???
thin fox
so its still locked behind a clear
alpine plover
so do i still need to do aloalo savage
loud nymph
so people who missed aloalo savage in EW can still get fucked
thin tartan
you need aais clear
shy obsidian
PFFFT
zealous meteor
did yall jump to conclusions????
yoshi-p GAVE us a jump button and we're gonna fucking USE IT
trim frost
wow kingdom hearts reference
shy obsidian
maybe it's time I learn about Aloalo Island...
thin fox
watching ken do criterion
loud nymph
there's still no motivation for anyone who did aloalo savage previously to go back in there
thin fox
yeah this is criterion alright
alpine plover
I've been progging savage aloalo with my static 2-3 days a week for about almost...
so hey come back you apparentely are not scammed
kindred bison
did yall jump to conclusions????
Dragonfire Dive to conclusions
trim frost
this is normal
i wanted to ask about that because i have aloalo criterion cleared but not savage
thin fox
this is not the aloalo exchange
alpine plover
wtf cleave
trim frost
yeah ik
kindred bison
wtf cleave
trim frost
so im just curious if i can see ester or not
alpine plover
thin tartan
well
devout wraith
so hey come back you apparentely are not scammed
thin fox
ok i can confirm the criterion boss order is mermaid -> swordmaster -> fire thing
mossy thicket
Do we know if the genie mount dro for normal or croterion?
kindred bison
The weapons are useless for me outside of glam…
mossy thicket
Criterion
kindred bison
I wonder how the AST one looks
thin fox
god it is so fucking depressing that the rewards are this bad
ik not to expect anything from SE but this is like
i expect nothing and i'm still disappointed
i think we've hit rock bottom and they discover a whole new world beneath the crust of the earth
alpine plover
is the dungeon cool at least
thin fox
yes but again its gonna be a case of doa becauselmao of course
wind cypress
critereon is supposed to be a chill dungeon right?
trim frost
ok yea i can't see ester either
devout wraith
so hey come back you apparentely are not scammed
I've never been so happy to find out I still have to suffer in aloalo savage
kindred bison
Still more rewards than the first few criterions…
thin fox
it was in the datamine its not an assumption lol
loud nymph
critereon is supposed to be a chill dungeon right?
no, that's variant
criterion is the high difficulty version
thin fox
we KNOW that ester can be done via advanced it just requires more conditions than simply having adv unlocked
wind cypress
ah yeah, the one I never do cause I don't have friends
shy obsidian
So is the ester available for some of yall already?
devout wraith
So Merchant's Tale is basically reclears for ALL of the previous criterions I guess?
thin fox
idk man these devs are just incompetent
they clearly do not understand what theyre doing
trim frost
So Merchant's Tale is basically reclears for ALL of the previous criterions I gu...
what does this mean
devout wraith
what does this mean
If you don't wanna suffer thru reclearing the old savages, you can just do variant advanced at the very least? Cuz afaik you can also get the previous criterion mounts there too based on the wiki
shy obsidian
give it raid gear
but how would that convince the peeps who already have full gear? it would definitely attract peeps who aren't fully geared, but the fully-geared peeps?