endgame-lounge

[trim frost]

beyond that you can just rub two braincells together to pick something that will counter the other team

[daring pine]

KEIKO

[clear plume]

We can zeri yuumi and I can call u kitten

[raw sand]

hi marcee

[daring pine]

aloo

[jolly flume]

[trim frost]

i only got the baby kitty augment once

[raw sand]

I think i learned how to league with Caitlyn and leblanc back in the day

just one trick that shit

[trim frost]

i won’t claim a main bc i only play aram but im lowkey nasty on the lee sin sometimes

the asian blood flowing through me

[raw sand]

the real leesin experience is to tie a blindfold around your eyes as you play

[grand mesa]

nya

[low hearth]

Yo !

is there any like meta jobs for criterion

[jolly flume]

easiest is to play no raid buffs

dps checks are never real in there

and then you never have to even think about alignment

[low hearth]

which tank i play

[dense oxide]

SGE is usually free in criterion

[fiery jewel]

pld is a good option always

[grand mesa]

war probably isn't bad either

tbh

[low hearth]

holy shelltron

[clear plume]

Pld sge vpr mch is what I’d say is like, closest to “meta” tbqh

But rep mch for pct/blm if you want

[fiery jewel]

blm for mch probably

but yeah

[thin fox]

i have picto weapon -> i play picto

[fiery jewel]

idk exact difficulty of criterion but heard ppl say it's like 4 man chaotic / extreme

unless they have q40 dmg sge not must pick probably

[jolly flume]

old crit savage hit like savage with the obvious difference that you have one healer

so relatively speaking it did more damage than that

but q40 is just on an entirely different level in that respect

and I doubt new crit will even hurt as much as the old ones

[clear plume]

I’m ready to be let down but

That’s life

[fiery jewel]

fine with it being midcore but I think ppl will realize removing criterion savage was unneeded.

dungeon / encounters look fun

[grand mesa]

I haven't done q40 yet

[worn bluff]

q40 and criterion should give weapons

[wicked delta]

Haven’t done Q40 either

[shy obsidian]

I wonder… will a full set of Courtly Lover’s gear do well jn criterion dungeons?

[wicked delta]

I saw people do that shit live and was like

Im not clearing that I do not have the skill

[shy obsidian]

Like, did people have a reasonable time doing Aloalo Island with just Diadochos gear?

[jolly flume]

maybe I just like 4 man content because it's the twice an expansion that playing mch isn't griefing

[shy obsidian]

Fewer people helps make selfish DPS stand out more

[wicked delta]

Mb

[shy obsidian]

Digitan reigns SUPREME

[wicked delta]

I don’t think anyone would’ve gone in with it

Maybe the regular variant version sure

But criterion? I doubt it

That shit hurt

[thin tartan]

u guys look fookin stehewpied

[wicked delta]

You’re such a hater

[shy obsidian]

Zamn… I haven’t gotten all my gear yet

[rapid whale]

just merc that shit atp

[worn bluff]

what if criterion drops a token that can be traded for a IV book

would be better than nothing

[thin tartan]

niko…

[worn bluff]

villy...

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/now-kith-mike-tyson

[jolly flume]

pijon

[grand mesa]

Honestly

Idm this

We're at the point most people who've cleared early have their weapons now anyways

[worn bluff]

i mean one of the big complaints is that it's hard to gear alt jobs

literally just a single extra book a week please guys

[grand mesa]

The tomes/augments are usually the biggest pain point

[worn bluff]

i'm tempted to just stop doing reclears since i have bis for one job

and just not do anything in this game for a while

[rain geode]

Honestly the way I would do it is make the first thing you buy in each slot w/ books is expensive but all later purchases are much cheaper

like the first time you buy an earing its 3 books but then all future ones are 1

[whole estuary]

they did say "we realize that gear is not as big a motivator for people anymore and are thinking of alternative rewards" but this was in regards to tomes rather than raid tokens

[rain geode]

Honestly the biggest thing I want for alternative rewards is recolors of job vfx

[worn bluff]

well part of "gear isn't a big motivator" is because they don't make enough content where you use the gear

like what reason was there to get cruiserweight bis

[whole estuary]

to unsync content for Wondrous Tails faster

[rain geode]

Honestly gear not being a big motivator I think is fine

Like if you make gear a really large motivator you just push more people who probably shouldn't be doing savage into savage

[worn bluff]

i mean in the absence of stats then glam is the other thing

but the difficulty of aloalo savage called for flashier weapons IMO

[amber fable]

No savage crit this time

[whole estuary]

You also lock content behind other challenge content, which is like, double filter rather than horizontal

[amber fable]

I dont see any gear from criterion still

[whole estuary]

if you want glam to be a motivator you also can't have ilvl attached to things too strongly

[amber fable]

Glams and mounts

[whole estuary]

otherwise people will have to prioritize finishing bis over actually getting what they want

rewarding people for their grind with the right to grind what they actually want

it's an easy way to turn a fun fight into "I'm sick of it and hate the content and hate other people" instead

[grand mesa]

So you can parse

I didn't do cruiserweight for a reason

[worn bluff]

[grand mesa]

I get it was a good tier

But i was burnt out after fru

[worn bluff]

i don't actually care about getting a high number

getting the same number is all i care about

[grand mesa]

And I wanted to rest before the tier that actually had the gear for ult

[grand mesa]

97

Watch urself get a pld 99

[worn bluff]

if only it was 67

[grand mesa]

In m9

[worn bluff]

i helped a friend do m10 and i was like "ohh i hope i don't accidentally get a 99 lol"

it was blue lmao

[grand mesa]

[worn bluff]

idk i was trying some random stuff with my rotation and also had to use 1 min on bubble because someone died

also this??

what is that crit

[valid solar]

0 crit on valor and truth

[worn bluff]

yoshi p hates me

holy shit

[grand mesa]

What's this website

[worn bluff]

https://www.howbadwasmycritinxiv.com/

[grand mesa]

ty

[worn bluff]

this website will make you unhappy no matter what it says

[stiff sage]

oh that website is annoying

you have to put in what your gear is manually

unless there's a diff way to do it

[worn bluff]

you can put in saved gearsets but usually only works for like bis

since people don't normally save their current gear otherwise

i was trying to do funny stuff with cleave outside of FoF but it might have actually been a loss to do it

and then that crit rate

[thin fox]

wait

wait

no

you're kidding me

they actually found a way

to be WORSE

than ZERO rewards

actually fucking fire all of these incompetent devs

holy shit

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HCGXH15WoAIBy3e.mp4

[stray forge]

Wtf you sent this gif right as one of my friends sent it to me in dms and I got so confused for a moment

[low hearth]

how

[thin fox]

previous expansion glam

[shy obsidian]

why does this exchange have so much stuff in it

oh, so Elevated Ester is gonna be available in the advanced version and not just the criterion version?

they just made it easier to get instead of new shiny weapons, huh

[thin fox]

they are genuinely so fucking incompetent

[low hearth]

yea

[clear plume]

This is literally the worst thing they could have done

[shy obsidian]

something tells me i should stay out of the balance server for a bit after this news

[clear plume]

The reward for being a criterion fan? No rewards plus the old reward we did add means less and old criterion loses the reason to run it

like literally just go fuck yourself to fans of the content I guess

[torn kindle]

LMAOOOOO

[clear plume]

We may as well make all ultimates just give the same token at this point so you can do uwu to get a top weapon, since clearing a fight to get the rewards for that fight is too 2025

No weapons for new ulti just old tokens instead and also make it easier

Like it would be the same shit this is

I can clear it and farm for the rewards I farmed the content for 2 years ago!!

But easier this time

[worn bluff]

they have 0 excuse to not just stick a glow on the tome weapons again

if they think it takes too long just outsource it to a korean company they'll make you the glows in 24 hours

FF glows aren't even that special, the bar is very low

[daring pine]

the bar is in hell i fear

[worn bluff]

i'm shallow and like shiny glowy things

[clear plume]

like

[worn bluff]

that's all you had to give me

[clear plume]

literally what was the fucking point of no unsync on criterion

if their main reward is going to be recycled in easier content

[daring pine]

you're a shiny glowy thing

[worn bluff]

it's just crazy they spent the time to create another special dungeon with branching paths

and then when it came to rewards

they went even lazier than usual

[clear plume]

i mean the content is going to be popping for sure

[worn bluff]

not even existing model + basic glow

[clear plume]

they made it good for xp and easy way to get historically sought after weapons 98% of people dont have

[worn bluff]

i mean i do like the exquisite weapons so i might still do advanced

but it's silly for criterion to not give anything better

[clear plume]

so they can say its a success as long as you arent somebody who gave a shit about the old content

remember when yoship said mods that show weapons on other users screens can be used to lesson the effort put into players earning those weapons?

[whole estuary]

Glowy poetics weapons is a very "dyeable AF gear is a mark of prestige" reward

[clear plume]

guess what savage crit weapons put onto fucking advanced is yoship

[whole estuary]

They probably judged this reward wasn't going to convince more than the existing people to try it

If people even knew they existed

[worn bluff]

TOP weapons as 8.1 savage rewards next

[clear plume]

no its closer to top weapons on an extreme

[daring pine]

dsr weps from next expac ex2

[clear plume]

advanced isnt going to be hard like that, you can learn one boss and just reinstance and spend a night

not even learn all three

doesnt require bis to beat

you still have all variant actions

like it might be easier than an ex even

except know whats more rare than fru weapons?

alo savage

[worn bluff]

i would be pretty annoyed if i had done criterion savage

[clear plume]

check achievement rarity it isnt close

[worn bluff]

i mean i get that some stuff like EX mounts get recycled and easier to get later on

but higher difficulty stuff shouldn't be recycled

[alpine plover]

one sec

can someone explain to a

non-criterion lover like me

what is happening

[valid solar]

oh hold on a sec, so this variant dungeon can give you the glowy version of the fan design weapons ?

interesting

[clear plume]

the rewards exclusive to alo alo savage from last expack, an achievement less than 2% of characters have, was added to advanced, not even criterion, as a farmable reward from content meant to be not hard to clear.

[shy obsidian]

imagine if FRU gave out TOP weapons and. not FRU weapons

[valid solar]

this is like if normal raids gave you ult weapons

[alpine plover]

what is advanced?

[valid solar]

since you can get it from regular variant

[alpine plover]

the new thing?

[shy obsidian]

wait if we did get new shiny exquisite weapons, what weapon set would even be shiny? The Bygone Brass weapons?

[whole estuary]

It's a new thing between normal mode and criterion

[clear plume]

so if you liked criterion for years and farmed it, not only is there not a reward for you this time, but the rewards you did clear hard content for doesnt require hard content anymore

[whole estuary]

No criterion savage difficulty

[valid solar]

advanced variant is the same thing except in a boss rush form instead of a dungeon format

[alpine plover]

omg

ok that's

insane

[whole estuary]

No variant actions in the normal mode, variant actions begin in advanced

[worn bluff]

i guess so. could have added a steam effect to them idk

[alpine plover]

so i can get the glowy weapons of aloalo

if i play this?

[fiery jewel]

remove criterion savage was a mistake

[whole estuary]

Yep!

[craggy marsh]

Wait so what's going on with the variant

[amber fable]

660 ilvl in 2026

Crazy

[alpine plover]

but not the titles right?

[fiery jewel]

bring back criterion savage it will heal the game

[valid solar]

regular variant is giving the alo alo savage weapons

[amber fable]

Might as well make weps level 1

[craggy marsh]

Oh cool

[shy obsidian]

BUT NO NEW SHINIES

[amber fable]

Like why even ask to spend tomes lmao

[valid solar]

btw did you see the gaius hair

[whole estuary]

If you liked criterion Savage you should have liked it in a more quantifiable way

[craggy marsh]

No new shinies is weird

[valid solar]

pretty peak

[craggy marsh]

Goat Van Baelsar

[fiery jewel]

saw that IL sync is 770 and 785 for normal modes

not necessarily a bad thing tbh

but with that logic why not make normal raids / normal alliance raids sync lower also and not get powercrept?

[whole estuary]

Because devside clearly didn't see any significant activity

[amber fable]

785 for advanced

795 for not savage

[clear plume]

I liked criterion savage, did them before alo got weapons, but this is like saying if you enjoy hockey you shouldnt be upset if you get kicked in the balls when you walk in the arena

[craggy marsh]

But we have no new shiny weapons this time around?

[amber fable]

Or whatever its called

No

[craggy marsh]

That's a weird choice

[fiery jewel]

IL sync for normal mode is good because it means bosses won't get destroyed and you can enjoy the mechs

[amber fable]

Criterion rewards being dogshit

[fiery jewel]

I can see why ppl with BiS dislike it since they want to speedrun but it's not really a bad thing

[amber fable]

Nothing new as usual

[craggy marsh]

Coming up with good rewards is hard

Somehow

[fiery jewel]

did they leak the rewards already?

[amber fable]

Too hard bruh

[daring pine]

hello tiny mango

[low hearth]

its better than materia bro

[fiery jewel]

Q40 to me shows they are incapable of design good reward systems

[whole estuary]

It's more like a hockey arena being converted to a high school softball field because tickets weren't selling

[thin fox]

datamine. its just the upgrade item from last expansion aloalo.

[craggy marsh]

SE still thinks materia is a good reward

[fiery jewel]

what this mean

alternate bis?

[craggy marsh]

[whole estuary]

A sad day for hockey

[amber fable]

Materia sells for 10k!!!!

Crazy monies

Amirite?

[daring pine]

picks you up

[fiery jewel]

criterion being dead on arrival is a fucking shame

[craggy marsh]

[fiery jewel]

I hope this not the case man

[low hearth]

Now us Dawntrail gamers can get alo weapon

this is good

[daring pine]

pat pat

[low hearth]

[clear plume]

its the opposite of dead on arrival

[amber fable]

Its not doa

[craggy marsh]

I'm not too upset over the alo weapons being available

[fiery jewel]

@clear plume elaborate I'm willing to listen

[amber fable]

But it will be dead

[clear plume]

the reward is AMAZING for people who havent done old criterion

[amber fable]

In like 2 weeks

[fiery jewel]

o

[worn bluff]

sticking a basic glow on an existing model is way too hard. no one can do it

[clear plume]

you can get a weapon rarer than all 6 ultimates

for doing its normal mode

[fiery jewel]

.

[amber fable]

You mean not rare

Anymore

[fiery jewel]

wait

what do u mean exactly

[worn bluff]

a weapon that was rarer than all the ultimates

[fiery jewel]

does this current one

will it drop the aloalo stuff?

or is there new upgade for current tome weapons

[amber fable]

Alola savage weps

[clear plume]

alo had a less than 2% savage clear rate for its weapons on all chars, the weapons from its tokens are recycled in here

[amber fable]

So 660 ilvl

[fiery jewel]

honestly if it's new upgrade for current tome weapons that's a GOOD IDEA but it can't be the main reward

[clear plume]

instead of new ones

[fiery jewel]

WHAT?

[amber fable]

Outdated weps

For new content

[worn bluff]

exquisite will prob be as common as EX weapons if it's not too difficult

[fiery jewel]

this has to be troll no way

they reusing old content this whole expac

[worn bluff]

since they look nice people will want them

[fiery jewel]

oml

[whole estuary]

Blue mage can get its shiny umbrella

[craggy marsh]

660 ilvl from a ilvl 780 duty is lmao tho tbh

[clear plume]

665

[fiery jewel]

I guess because

crit savage is so hard apparently

[whole estuary]

But once again can't queue for the actual content

[fiery jewel]

but what's the point of reusing old rewards...

[grand mesa]

NIN is kind of popping of this tier, huh.

[amber fable]

Dungeon ultimate

[fiery jewel]

NIN is always the #1 highest damage ceiling job for parse

even when PCT was op NIN was like almost on par kind of

[clear plume]

casuals hate ninja, its a hc player skewed job

[craggy marsh]

I'm fine with the alo weapons but they should've done a glowy version of the current tome weapons too

[fiery jewel]

ye

NIN is just hard

NIN is like

[grand mesa]

eh

[fiery jewel]

high floor medium ceiling

for difficulty

[grand mesa]

not always

[fiery jewel]

or smth like that

[craggy marsh]

Did the 660 weapons get special treatment just bc they were the artwork winners

[fiery jewel]

trust

it has been like the whole expac

[amber fable]

Winners

From that art contest

[fiery jewel]

NIN ceiling is op if u get perfect killtime

[amber fable]

Isnt that all jobs?

[fiery jewel]

not rlly

[grand mesa]

i see the numbers

[amber fable]

Perfect kt is what all jobs want

[fiery jewel]

VPR ceiling pretty low for example

[amber fable]

Maybe not blm I guess

[fiery jewel]

what metric you use btw?

[whole estuary]

Augmented Figmental Weapons....

[grand mesa]

cdps

[whole estuary]

DRG gets Fatcat particle effects

[fiery jewel]

seems accurate

[stray forge]

What was the reaper weapon

[craggy marsh]

SE could never be this peam

[fiery jewel]

I think if they genuinely reusuing old rewards for current content AGAIN that's a really bad sign

[stray forge]

For fig

[grand mesa]

NIN is good but it isn't oppressively good enough that it's mandatory in speeds

and parsing is a meme

so idc about that

[whole estuary]

Scrunkly cat scythe

[fiery jewel]

ye

NIN is like technically highest dmg ceiling by good amount

but situational at the same time

[terse zodiac]

nin in sugar riot 😭

[loud swift]

i see dragoon not bottom and im happy

[fiery jewel]

m6s the only fight NIN was awful in this expac

I think?

but they hotfix it pretty fast

[amber fable]

It was in rank 1 speed kill

So was it awful?

[craggy marsh]

Parse runs are so funny bc you get the people who clearly dont know how parsing actually works

[fiery jewel]

I think rank 1 speedkill m6s was rpr + vpr

no?

[amber fable]

I could be wrong

[worn bluff]

this would be so sick

[fiery jewel]

I think RPR + VPR had the best cleave on the boss so the meta was to just speedkill sugar riot herself instead of doing all of adds

[fiery jewel]

ye I dislike parse

[stray forge]

I hate RPR

[grand mesa]

parse runs are funny because half the people in them don't even know the fights well

[fiery jewel]

parse parties I don't recommend joining

[amber fable]

Wipe 20 runs to get 1 purple

[stray forge]

I think you mean barse actually

[fiery jewel]

they are just very weird and awkward

[grand mesa]

I don't

[amber fable]

Very fun

[grand mesa]

I help people

[fiery jewel]

the worst part is if someone messes up

[grand mesa]

if I get a good group I get an orange

[fiery jewel]

they will wipe the other 7 ppl

[grand mesa]

im not going to try and opti for pinks unless I find a good premade

[fiery jewel]

because ppl who are in parse parties they are selfish that's the whole point

they only care about their parse lol

[craggy marsh]

Parse parties on their way to wipe 15 times in M9

[fiery jewel]

My dream is I can get static who is locked in

[craggy marsh]

They tried to greed aetherletting

[fiery jewel]

so it's basically like parse party kinda

maybe one day...

but do I ever want to do extra shit like sandbag just to get a better parse. No not really.

[worn bluff]

i get the draw of getting high score in video game but seeing PF listings talk about rotating SB kind of makes me cringe a little

[craggy marsh]

Parse parties are fun until you remember it's a parse party

And people cherry pick logs

[fiery jewel]

game balance tbh better than ppl say atleast early weeks

[craggy marsh]

Cherry picking logs is such a dumbass mentality

[grand mesa]

this is also cringe

[fiery jewel]

like week 1 the jobs were somewhat balanced

[craggy marsh]

Upload all clear logs like a real gamers

[fiery jewel]

week 1 ninja wasn't outright the best job for example

week 1 vpr arguably better than ninja because of different killtimes and selfish dps

[thin fox]

whens maint over btw

[fiery jewel]

so hard to judge actual job balance unfortunately

[grand mesa]

this game is easy

[fiery jewel]

yup

[grand mesa]

job balance doesn't matter unless its extra bad

unless ur doing speeds

[fiery jewel]

There was one time I try to join parse party

[grand mesa]

so

[fiery jewel]

in the first tier

[grand mesa]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fiery jewel]

just not how I want to play the game

I enjoy clearing a fight that's the #1 goal

[daring pine]

2 hours

[stray forge]

Never

[fiery jewel]

if I get 100 clears of M12S even if none are pink idrc

[stray forge]

Game EoS and we’re all free

[fiery jewel]

just shows I'm capable of beating the boss 100 times

Will V&C be up right after maintenance?

[thin fox]

[stray forge]

Chiyo and Bapple main league now

[grand mesa]

I'm looking at it, the numbers just aren't lining up

[stray forge]

I quit video games

[fiery jewel]

Here I will show u

gimme a sec

it's like 99+ percentile tho

where ninja really dominates

so irrelevant for most of the playerbase

[low hearth]

👉

[grand mesa]

i am indeed looking at 99th pct

[craggy marsh]

Me joining parse parties during my EX days bc i just wanted fast clears and realizing that was a mistake

[fiery jewel]

like for example the lindwurm

ninja just has highest ceiling if you get that perfect killtime

but max could be different

I think NIN / DRG / MNK are all the 3 highest ceilings they super strong

[stray forge]

99th pictomancer

[fiery jewel]

NIN / DRG / MNK basically the same concept they are just gigaburst jobs with raidbuff

[loud swift]

why care for job damage when you can just play what ur good at and kill faster

[fiery jewel]

ye it doesn't matter

[loud swift]

[fiery jewel]

not saying that

[grand mesa]

lind1 is an edge case of a fight tbh

[fiery jewel]

to get perfect parse I think for every fight

boss dying after 2min burst

always has to be the case no exceptions I think

I don't think NIN is good in M10S because it doesn't have great AoE

if looking at all bosses I think M10S dictates that alot

M6S was similar last tier that's why people thought VPR was op.

[grand mesa]

mnk and nin are neck and neck

[fiery jewel]

they all really strong

[grand mesa]

from the rankings page im looking at

[fiery jewel]

like they always the best jobs

MNK NIN DRG

basically if you don't have strong raidbuff you can never really be meta

even Samurai not meta for parse because of this despite being best week 1 job probably

[alpine plover]

parse runs 😭

[fiery jewel]

Samurai technically can have better ceiling than FFLOGS shows I think because SAM is optimal with DNC & AST

DNC & AST their buffs not included in aDPS and cDPS I think

[grand mesa]

p*rse

[fiery jewel]

yeee idrc about them much sorry if it seem that way...

[loud swift]

i will be censoring p*rse from now on

i think its funny

[dull drum]

im always parsing

i dont hit my mits i hit my gcds 🗣️

[fiery jewel]

no I hate healers who do that

[alpine plover]

p*rser

[grand mesa]

p*rsebrains

[alpine plover]

[dull drum]

so like

[loud swift]

just dont die

get better gear

[dull drum]

55% of the healer population

[fiery jewel]

Watashia influence very strong ya

[alpine plover]

Ngl

[stray forge]

Why tf does literally everyone know who this guy is

[fiery jewel]

Watashia raiding savage this tier also he doesn't do that often

[stray forge]

[grand mesa]

i hit safety heals and still parse purples and oranges because ppl dont have good gcd roll

[alpine plover]

here another wild opinion by me but if you need a parse run to get a good parse

[fiery jewel]

Because they raiding savage this tier

[alpine plover]

then....

[fiery jewel]

usually they are ultimate purist

[alpine plover]

[fiery jewel]

they have like 100 DSR clear

[grand mesa]

watashibal is just a known cryptid

[fiery jewel]

if you are in savage pf ppl will know you

[dull drum]

thats what being infamous does

[fiery jewel]

if you make a impression

Watashia actually very good player his downfall is just not mitting properly

[grand mesa]

he's just a bad player that never knows when to shut up

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fiery jewel]

He not a bad player

[stray forge]

I want to be infamous

[fiery jewel]

He actually good

[grand mesa]

knowing to press broil is not a skill

[fiery jewel]

but he cares about parse too much that's his downfall

[grand mesa]

bad mit on shield healer makes you a bad player

[loud swift]

the duality

[fiery jewel]

No like objectively he's not a bad player

[grand mesa]

if you cannot mit a fight properly you are dogshit at healing

[fiery jewel]

he does good damage and can mitigation very well when he tries

[alpine plover]

i dont think you do

[fiery jewel]

you don't want to be infamous

especially in ffxiv community

never a good thing bro... trust...

[stray forge]

Yes I do

[fiery jewel]

famous sure

infamous? not really.

[grand mesa]

If he can do it he will

[terse zodiac]

i dont think you can be hardcore playing and still stuck on m12 phase 1 and claim to be good

[loud swift]

infamous for meowing in pf

[stray forge]

Then I can finally quit FOREVER 😌

[grand mesa]

if you cannot do your job as a shield healer you are shit at it

[fiery jewel]

good point

haha

[grand mesa]

that's it

[alpine plover]

indeed

[grand mesa]

play smn

if you want to press 1 button

[fiery jewel]

Watashia is very capable of doing his job

[dull drum]

watashia might have a bad rep in pf but

[grand mesa]

and not care about your healer rotation

[fiery jewel]

he makes mitigation guides and all that stuff

but he jut wants to parse that's his downfall

[dull drum]

his dsr song cover was so fire

[grand mesa]

this statement is incompatible with reality

i am sorry

to tell you.

[fiery jewel]

I was playing with him m11s he literally was forcing the other healer in pf to overmit

[torn kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002323700646936576/1093691467488313414/formort.gif

[terse zodiac]

use your mitigation in

[daring pine]

https://tenor.com/view/zuh-cat-side-eye-stare-cat-staring-ca-gif-7404392670733848800

[fiery jewel]

Watashia his main message

especially in PF

[stray forge]

3300 PULLS?

[fiery jewel]

he wants to train his co-healer in PF

[grand mesa]

watashia is a person that should not be playing healer

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fiery jewel]

he wants them to be his equal

[daring pine]

val can u be my healer instead

[stray forge]

HOW DO YOU STAY SANE

[daring pine]

[dull drum]

again its the same problem as a good chunk of healer players

[stray forge]

AFTER 3300 PULLS

[alpine plover]

you dont

[fiery jewel]

Watashai his downfall to summarize

[grand mesa]

if you want to press 1 gcd and parse you should be on blm and smn

[fiery jewel]

he expects too much out of pf players

[grand mesa]

anyways

[dull drum]

they want to chad the fuck out of their healer

[fiery jewel]

he expects PF players to play optimally which isn't possible

[grand mesa]

he's a shit player

that's all

[fiery jewel]

so he mitigates expecting his co-healer to play optimally

[alpine plover]

but hey the uwu avengers on EU had like 2000 uwu kills at the start of Dawntrail

[dull drum]

its not even optimal from a fight perspective

its optimal for him

[fiery jewel]

because in parse parties that's how it is

[dull drum]

thats the difference

[fiery jewel]

ye

he not hte best mitigation player

I've seen better

[dull drum]

so hes a parse monkey

thats about it

[fiery jewel]

not exactly

that's the sad thing

[dull drum]

this guy was like 3k pulls deep into dsr

[craggy marsh]

Watashia the kind of person to yell at his mom for not making dinner on time with how much he yells in party chat

[fiery jewel]

yes he cares about parse

[dull drum]

and has an ego

[fiery jewel]

but he literally told me himself

[dull drum]

(was it 3000 i forgot)

[fiery jewel]

he expects co-healer to be as good as him in pf

[grand mesa]

listen

[fiery jewel]

and will train them (berate)

[grand mesa]

if your mit is shit on shield healer

you are a shit shield healer

[daring pine]

mango im gonna

[dull drum]

thats called being delusional

[grand mesa]

there is no buts and ifs

[daring pine]

im gonna

[grand mesa]

lol

[fiery jewel]

yup

[craggy marsh]

Why does he scream so goddamn much

[grand mesa]

anyways

[dull drum]

hes my age

[fiery jewel]

ye

[dull drum]

21-22

[grand mesa]

this conversation is stupid

[craggy marsh]

[stray forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-scared-afraid-gif-17069695293861682794

[daring pine]

[fiery jewel]

Also I think he is refusing to do m12s rn

[dull drum]

i once thought he lived in my area but thank god hes east coast

[fiery jewel]

because the damage is too much

[thin fox]

GNB/DRK TOGETHER = INSTANT BLACKLIST. You have ZERO useful party mit. Everything is physical damage. You're dead fucking weight griefing 6 other people. Play PLD/WAR or don't queue.

[grand mesa]

if you are an inflexible player that can't suit your play to the needs of the party you are also dogshit at this game

[dull drum]

i dont need that spawn on the west coast

[craggy marsh]

M12 too hard for Watashia somehow

[daring pine]

mb

[terse zodiac]

damage is too much 😭 just mit??

[fiery jewel]

because m12s everything hits hard

he never overmits

[dull drum]

wasnt he still on m11

or did he finally get past

[fiery jewel]

he clear 11 I think

[terse zodiac]

its not like the damage is gonna decrease

[craggy marsh]

Got carried through it im sure

[stray forge]

Bapple cleared him

[fiery jewel]

Watashia should probalby just join a static

[grand mesa]

btw, bro is so bad that i've had healers that do a quarter of his gcd healing gcds and still get more hps than him on the same job

[thin fox]

watashia has cleared 11 but not door boss

[fiery jewel]

Watashia would be good in a static

but he's so infamous it's not possible

[grand mesa]

watashia would not be good anywhere

[stray forge]

Starting my misinformation campaign where Bapple clears everyone

[grand mesa]

don't be delusional

[craggy marsh]

He'll explode and yell at someone for missing a mit

[grand mesa]

idk why you're on your knees for him

[stray forge]

Don’t tell him 🤫

[thin fox]

0 healing parse in 11

[terse zodiac]

heal parses i mean

[fiery jewel]

If Watashia had capable healer on his equal level like Chiyomi

[dull drum]

hes p1 38%

[craggy marsh]

Watashia slander is really good

[fiery jewel]

they could be good duo

[grand mesa]

okay

this is just ragebait at this point

[dull drum]

thats not even true though

[grand mesa]

gn

[terse zodiac]

like heal parse doesn't matter at all but 0s consistently is impossible

[daring pine]

val i think it's eepy time

[fiery jewel]

sorry if fell that way gn

[alpine plover]

gn val

[stray forge]

This can’t be real

[daring pine]

night night val

[thin fox]

if watashia had an entire party willing to flex to the very specific way he wants to play he would be more successful, yes. the entire point we're making is that watashia is a completely inflexible player.

[stray forge]

A ZERO

[fiery jewel]

😭

[craggy marsh]

They're Cooly but in Watashia form

[daring pine]

tithus!

[alpine plover]

marce!

[daring pine]

pat pat

[fiery jewel]

Yeah it's like sports you have to build a team around one player sometimes

[craggy marsh]

Why does Watashia want to be an huge control freak

Is his ego that big

[fiery jewel]

in NBA James Harden is like that for example

[clear plume]

he just wants attention and tthis is how he gets it

[craggy marsh]

Sad

[grand mesa]

yeah

if he was actually here i wouldn't actually be interacting with his ass

[thin fox]

ok but raiding is not a zero sum game. there is no need to 'build around one player', and even if there was, watashia is not so good or valuable as a person that you should build around him.

[craggy marsh]

I'll never respect him with how much he yells and screams shit

[grand mesa]

it doesn't feel that way, it just is

brother

[fiery jewel]

not trying to defend him btw if it came off that way...

[worn bluff]

he wants PLD wings on weapons

[daring pine]

watashia and rin shinimi collab

[worn bluff]

there is no good healer that asks for PLD wings on weapons

[grand mesa]

you are on YOUR KNEES

for this man

[fiery jewel]

Not at all I don't agree with his playstyle it's very selfish

[thin fox]

he's jsut an ego andy

[craggy marsh]

Watashia probably thinks RDM has rez in lvl 50 content

[fiery jewel]

I'm not a healer in savage usually but I always put clearing above everything else

[daring pine]

mango

this is funnier than it should be

[alpine plover]

ok but how do you get heal parse

[fiery jewel]

so I don't like ppl who do otherwise

[alpine plover]

genuienly

[worn bluff]

"asking for a lot" is not the same as "having high standards"

you can ask for a lot that happens to also be shit

[fiery jewel]

but I have healed in savage a few times it's not that bad

[alpine plover]

you have to have your cohealer pad no?

[terse zodiac]

mitigation is a big part of heal parse

[fiery jewel]

atleast after week 1

[alpine plover]

yea but 0?

[craggy marsh]

Watashia slander is always funny

[fiery jewel]

idk how heal parse works tbh

[daring pine]

you're funny

[fiery jewel]

is it just raw heals?

[alpine plover]

it's amount healed and shielded and stuff

[craggy marsh]

[alpine plover]

and not overhealed

[stray forge]

ZERO

[worn bluff]

just because you ask for a very specific pile of shit doesn't mean that you have good taste or high standards

[alpine plover]

did val go to sleep

[grand mesa]

im in bed

[daring pine]

hugging you rn

[alpine plover]

val how do you get 0 heal parse

like theoretically

[stray forge]

I should have slept 3 hours ago

[terse zodiac]

tbf 0 doesn't mean 0 healing it just means you're in the bottom 1% but still

[stray forge]

But here I am

[craggy marsh]

[fiery jewel]

0 healing is just bad no way around it

[grand mesa]

usually getting sucked off by your cohealer

[fiery jewel]

even ppl who are optimizing in parse parties

[stray forge]

Watching discourse

[fiery jewel]

they have above average healing

I think

[alpine plover]

yea

so

the cohealer has to pad like crazy no?

[loud swift]

why are we still talking about p*rse parties

[alpine plover]

and to play properly just doing burst

idk man

[fiery jewel]

idk... what do you want to talk about?

[daring pine]

tithus come help me get a heal parse on mnk /j

[alpine plover]

that's very easy to do

[stray forge]

What’s my heal parse on rpr

[alpine plover]

lowkey

[craggy marsh]

If parsing is Watashias issue then maybe they should stop caring about parsing

[alpine plover]

[fiery jewel]

RPR healing is actually decent

[daring pine]

i mean yeah probably

[craggy marsh]

Bc obviously they arent cut out for parsing

[daring pine]

riddle of earth our beloved

[fiery jewel]

RPR kind of enables no healer parties

in unsync atleast

[daring pine]

what

[fiery jewel]

P8S would be example

[grand mesa]

0's are sometimes understandable of the other cohealer is chadding you but

reverse chadding*

[fiery jewel]

reaper healing in synced content it's mediocre

[grand mesa]

it doesn't cause this

[fiery jewel]

unsync it can be mvp though

[grand mesa]

brother is the floor

[worn bluff]

there are multiple problems with his personality beyond "cares about parse"

[loud swift]

i mean ye u still need it to pop tho

[grand mesa]

you are doing below the bare minimum

[fiery jewel]

Yeah I mean I hope nobody has to play with them in 12

that fight already does enough damage

[worn bluff]

there are people who care about parse who aren't outwardly shitty to other people about it

[fiery jewel]

This is a 0.0 wow

[fiery jewel]

most people care about parse tbh they just have clear first mentality

which is a must in a multiplayer game

[grand mesa]

all of this just for him to get 94% uptime

[fiery jewel]

like if u are playing a multiplayer game

and you don't have a win first mentality

[grand mesa]

like

be real

[fiery jewel]

ye it's bad

awful, tbh.

[worn bluff]

idk if it's most people who care about parse. but i don't have data, you'd have to read people's minds

[fiery jewel]

atp you are getting carried to a clear

0.0 percentile healing

[worn bluff]

i think a lot of people care to some degree

[daring pine]

i care to some degree but only after i clear

[worn bluff]

but i would think most people don't care about getting orange/pink

[daring pine]

cuz i wanna go back and optimise my rotation for the fight

[fiery jewel]

most raiders care about their parse or atleast how much damage they are doing

but like 99% of raiders care about clearing a fight way more

[terse zodiac]

id say most savagers wanna see their number go up and like it

[daring pine]

yeah

[fiery jewel]

but parsing is basically same as optimizing damage

so it's good to care about it

[worn bluff]

for me i just don't want to be below average, because i spend above average time on thinking about my rotation

[fiery jewel]

just don't let it consume which it has many ppl

that's good argument for getting fflogs removed tbh

the parse culture it consumes ppl

[terse zodiac]

when i was just getting into endgame i loved loggin on and seeing what people uploaded of me, see how i was doing if i was improving

[daring pine]

lol my first logs were so bad

[fiery jewel]

there's that famous clip

[worn bluff]

i mean non-MMO co op games do fine without dps meters or logs, but they also don't rely on maximizing GCD uptime

[fiery jewel]

I think E4S titan

melee just doesn't lb because they want good parse

and boss enrages

[craggy marsh]

His entire life depends on the numbers if he doesn't get a high number then mommy is taking away his pc

[alpine plover]

this is actually a very big point that not many realize

[fiery jewel]

I think DPS tracker should be added natively

[alpine plover]

xiv has gcd uptime pretty vital

[fiery jewel]

would I be opposed to FFLOGS as a system being removed

[alpine plover]

(in high end)

[fiery jewel]

no not really tbh

[worn bluff]

for me it was the opposite. my friend showed me xivanalysis when i was a beginner and i was like "wtf this website is being so MEAN TO ME"

[fiery jewel]

but there needs to be some form of dps tracker that is accesible

[daring pine]

tithuss

[terse zodiac]

lmao

[thin fox]

I mean the average co-op game does not have the concept of an 'enrage' lol

[daring pine]

tithus kitty

im progging 12 tonight

[craggy marsh]

Xivanal yelling at me for overcapping sheltron during downtime

[fiery jewel]

I think 8.0 there is good chance CBU3 adds a dps tracker

[craggy marsh]

[fiery jewel]

to be completely honest

[worn bluff]

like looking at something like monster hunter, no one knows or cares if you're contributing damage in most cases

[daring pine]

xivanal telling me i have 60% dot uptime on bard during m9s

[fiery jewel]

I think CBU3 understands DPS Trackers are unavoidable and it hurts the console playerbase to not have one accessible.

But I could be completely wrong.

[stray forge]

Every time I look at xiva I contemplate quitting the game

[alpine plover]

wahoo!

good luck marce!

[daring pine]

tank you

clearing m11 was funy

[fiery jewel]

They should though honestly

[daring pine]

i progged most of it on brd and then swapped to rdm because i got yoinked into a static

[worn bluff]

i don't think FF needs an in-game DPS meter, but general feedback on GCD uptime would be good.

[daring pine]

so now i have to optimise rdm

guh

[alpine plover]

noice

[fiery jewel]

But like 95% of online games are casual

[daring pine]

and get gear

[alpine plover]

should be fine tho

[daring pine]

yee

im familiar w/ rdm anyway i just need to optimise for fight

[fiery jewel]

RDM is cracked so you should be fine

dw

[alpine plover]

dont think rdm struggles with anything this tier?

not sure

[fiery jewel]

nah

[daring pine]

shrug

[fiery jewel]

they remove the one weakness the job has

that was disengage during burst

[stray forge]

I thought wow has enrages

[terse zodiac]

it does

[fiery jewel]

WoW I was just erping on moonguard

I never really played the game much past that

[stray forge]

Thank you for sharing

[daring pine]

not even a gm could get that out of me

[worn bluff]

when i played lost ark on launch the normal raid stuff was pretty hard

[fiery jewel]

lost ark was so good

[daring pine]

im banned from lost ark

[fiery jewel]

generational fumble

I will never forget

[worn bluff]

you had to grab shit in order like a savage raid or you would wipe

but it was just a regular raid

[fiery jewel]

lost ark genuinely could've been the game that killed both WoW and XIV

[stray forge]

I played lost ark for like 40 hours before I decided I didn’t see a future in that game

[daring pine]

i played lost ark for two seconds, logged off

[craggy marsh]

I will never forget the lost ark glaze with people acting like it was the second coming of christ

[daring pine]

logged back on and i was banned

[worn bluff]

lost ark combat is so good but the progression systems make it unplayable for me

[fiery jewel]

bro they had

1.3 million players

WHAT HAPPENED

[thin fox]

i mean

its a KMMO

[craggy marsh]

People realized the game isn't all that

[worn bluff]

i would have played it if it was a normal subscription game and not p2w

[alpine plover]

is that lost ark?

[stray forge]

Is that not the release

[fiery jewel]

It's the p2w scandal that killed it

I think

[worn bluff]

with the stupid honing

[fiery jewel]

if u didn't play lost ark on release I feel bad

b/c it was actually really fun experience you missed out

[stray forge]

Using release numbers to judge game potential is terrible

[fiery jewel]

but I don't think games nowadays have a future unless made by a known and trusted company

which idk if square enix is trusted but they are popular

blizzard also

[daring pine]

this reminds me of xiv forums complaining that game dead or whatever

[alpine plover]

bg3 in the background

[daring pine]

and then they'll post expac launch numbers

[alpine plover]

hmm interesting

[worn bluff]

imagine if you had to pentameld in order to access the new expansion of content. except to get materia you need 5 alts and to make this game your job

[fiery jewel]

single player games have more lenience

but mmo / live service games I feel like u have to be known as a studio / company

[alpine plover]

i suppose so

[fiery jewel]

single player it's just make a good game

I think the next game that will blow up is crimson desert

[craggy marsh]

XIV forums on their way to call the game dead bc we dont have peak SHB numbers without realizing that SHB was a perfect storm of irl stuff

[fiery jewel]

and that releases pretty soon

[worn bluff]

my hot take i think this game will just be decent

[fiery jewel]

feels like every year we have atleast one game release out of no where and blow up

[fiery jewel]

def possible

but it looks too good

[worn bluff]

crimson desert just looks like single player BDO

which isn't a 10/10 game

[thin fox]

it just looks like a boring open world game honestly lol

[daring pine]

i love game regardless so idm if player number not insane

[fiery jewel]

maybe this is hot take but we haven't gotten a good open world game in a while

[daring pine]

i will continue to pet bnuuys and lalas

[worn bluff]

the MC of crimson desert looks like a boring version of clive

[thin fox]

because open world games arent good

[stray forge]

BDO

[thin fox]

simple as

[low hearth]

Wow I've always dreamt about owning the Exquisite Polaris Point and now I can as of Patch 7.45! Thank you Square Enix!

[fiery jewel]

huge horizon fan so I'm bias maybe

[daring pine]

but clive already looks boring

[craggy marsh]

I will never gass up any new mmo bc people were gassing up Asses of Creation

[worn bluff]

turn up the boring to 10

[fiery jewel]

crimson desert I can see blowing up like E33

especially if the story is actually good

I think alot rides on the story

[thin fox]

game doesnt need a good story to blow up. see: e33.

[fiery jewel]

story matters alot to gamers nowadays

[daring pine]

zidane better ff protag

[thin fox]

[fiery jewel]

E33 story is amazing it's undeniable

[worn bluff]

max dood played a demo of it and he said it has super boring quests. like generic MMO slop

[fiery jewel]

but e33 imo lasts in other stuff

[low hearth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jgmm-cat-meme

[fiery jewel]

fr?

[worn bluff]

he did not have good things to say about it

[fiery jewel]

shit

maxdood he usually based

ima have to watch the review

[stray forge]

Story matters a lot to gamers…

the humble gacha gamer

[daring pine]

trust

[worn bluff]

it was on a stream

[low hearth]

fuck when does maintenance end

[fiery jewel]

this might be a crazy hot take to some people

[low hearth]

1 hour?

[thin fox]

Expedition 33's story is pretty bad. It does kind of live up to being like Final Fantasy given that the story hates women.

[daring pine]

idk gacha games tend to have decent stories

[fiery jewel]

but gacha games they actually have good stories sometimes

[worn bluff]

he said like one quest was "shoot this cannon for us" "ok now show these other NPCs how to shoot the cannon the same way"

[daring pine]

hour anda bit

[low hearth]

gotta do reclears before work bro

[fiery jewel]

genshin conceptually had a good story

but it had so much buildup

[daring pine]

no you dont

[thin fox]

gacha writing is like actually please shoot me in the fucking face level bad

[daring pine]

get rest bro

[fiery jewel]

but do I think genshin impact story is like top tier shit

not at all just lore and worldbuilding so much

[dapper zealot]

I don't think I've heard anyone say they've played gacha games for the story

[stray forge]

Half of them are “I love you so much marry me”

And half of them are “we made up 60 more new terms this patch”

[fiery jewel]

Genshin alot of ppl got into that game for the story though

[rapid whale]

hello i am sad back story please watch my jiggle now spend money on my dupes

[fiery jewel]

they left once they saw the bullshit hoyo was doing

me included

[daring pine]

i just lost interest in genshin eventually

[fiery jewel]

ye they killed the game

100%

problem with gacha games is they are huge fomo draw

so once you get it and spend money it's hard to quit

[worn bluff]

wuwa story has potential but it's kind of hamstrung by the gacha model and having to sell the waifu of the week

[fiery jewel]

XIV is kinda like that

[thin fox]

my gacha opinion summed up

[fiery jewel]

but XIV is like if you quit or take a break you aren't missing much

so XIV is good design in that regard

[daring pine]

gw2 is also like this

[fiery jewel]

the only thing you miss are the limited events

[daring pine]

which i appreciate

[fiery jewel]

ye

[worn bluff]

yeah this is how i feel about it too. so much dev talent that genuinely wants to make good content but then they're probably told to make changes to suit the gacha model

[fiery jewel]

MMOs can't have FOMO

[stray forge]

I thought AI limit was fun

[fiery jewel]

that's lke the whole reason WoW doesn't draw more new players

WoW you have the feeling you already missed the prime of the game

[daring pine]

yeah there's not much to miss out on other than seasonal events

[fiery jewel]

before catacylsm and stuff

[rapid whale]

the xiv fomo is finding out party finder is dead if you didnt do the content on patch

[stray forge]

Mmos absolutely have fomo wdym

[fiery jewel]

WoW they completely reset the game

[rapid whale]

marce knows abt this well

[fiery jewel]

WoW gameworld changes all the time n shit

XIV gameworld and quests are static they will always be there

so that's advantage xiv has for new players

[daring pine]

don't remind me

[terse zodiac]

low key WoW content now is so much better than in its prime

[fiery jewel]

benefit WoW has though for drawing new players

especially raiders

[rapid whale]

isnt wow tsill the most subbed mmo

[fiery jewel]

they put you at max level pretty much

so u can just jump in

[stray forge]

Every mmo friend group has the like 10 people you were in a guild with asking around who is playing next expansion

[worn bluff]

that's because not much happened

[alpine plover]

i actually started playing RO with my friend cuz he was feeling nostalgic and it's quite fun so far! Tho we only played a few hours

[fiery jewel]

XIV needs a new starting point kinda

it's actually a issue for XIV atp

[stray forge]

And that makes fomo for sure

[fiery jewel]

XIV can get way more new players if they had way to start the game that is more combat focused

[whole estuary]

At least unsync brings it back in some form

[rapid whale]

have fun grinding skeleton soldier cards for days if its a low rate

[stray forge]

Source: I keep getting asked if I’m playing midnight even though I skipped the previous xpac already

[whole estuary]

Otherwise it'd just be dead dead

[fiery jewel]

yeah I agree

[alpine plover]

it's 5x

[fiery jewel]

it's a huge issue

[thin fox]

if I jumped into a levelling roulette and I got the new expansion dungeon and I was with 3 people who just installed the game I would genuinely burn the servers down with Yoshi P trapped inside

[stray forge]

Wtf is RO

[fiery jewel]

I think 8.0 they need to look at old content more than new content

[daring pine]

me asking my viera friend group if they will be frolicking in the meadow next expansion

[alpine plover]

we wont be superoptimizing i reckon tho so who cares

[fiery jewel]

but that's probably a hot take I guess

most ppl just want new stuff they don't care about the old unfortunately

[stray forge]

Rose Online

[fiery jewel]

but XIV the game is made on the old content that's the foundation