has no buffs to feed, has no feed for buffs
#endgame-lounge
jolly flume
fiery jewel
MCH biggest buff without even outright potency buff is just shifting more potency into the burst
that's what most of the rDPS jobs need
grand mesa
wildfire should just autocrit
terse zodiac
5 xeno 1 flarestar and still one of the worst burst windows
fiery jewel
VPR def needs more potency shifted into Reawaken for example
clear plume
my fav prange fact is that even sandbagging mch does less feed than dnc, as in not even factoring dp
worn bluff
what if they actually moved potency out of RPR filler so that bursts mattered
grand mesa
5 xeno 1 flarestar and still one of the worst burst windows
still good enough for me to give my card 2 u 🥺
zealous meteor
don't speak this into existence
fiery jewel
RPR 123 combo just does too much dmg
fiery jewel
most rpr players acknowledge this
terse zodiac
: ) realistically i think they could remove buffs from many jobs
grand mesa
anyways
fiery jewel
the dumb thing is rpr is the only melee that doesn't hit a 123 during burst since 5s enshroud
grand mesa
rpr needs the most help atm
fiery jewel
just makes no sense
I think RPR will be better in 7.5 ultimate
but both RPR and VPR need potency reshifting
fiery jewel
RPR is just an ultimate job they balance it around ultimate
VPR is just shit in every scenario
besides week 1
clear plume
ok but this is for sure a cooly alt
fiery jewel
: ) realistically i think they could remove buffs from many jobs
would make week 1 prog better
jolly flume
😭
worn bluff
the dumb thing is rpr is the only melee that doesn't hit a 123 during burst sinc...
vpr doesn't either
well i mean i guess their 123 turns into blue 123
jolly flume
reawaken is bound to 123
fiery jewel
I think VPR hits a 123 at the tailend not sure tho
jolly flume
fiery jewel
could be wrong tbh
fiery jewel
ye I don't really get it
finite plank
or reawaken
fiery jewel
jobs like drg mnk actively hitting 123 during burst also
terse zodiac
since people been complaining about 2 minute meta for what will be 5 years, easiest way to fix it is remove the excess 2 minute buffs and split up cooldown timings
fiery jewel
I agree they should remove raidbuffs from jobs that don't need them
grand mesa
since people been complaining about 2 minute meta for what will be 5 years, easi...
i mean
fiery jewel
it would make balancing the game much easier
zealous meteor
ok but this is for sure a cooly alt
is every RPR main a cooly alt 
jolly flume
I don't think 2m buffs are the problem, it's just that what you do between them is boring and irrelevant for like 20/21 jobs
fiery jewel
cuz I think the raidbuff jobs are technically worse in week 1 savage prog but are outright better in ultimate prog
zealous meteor
I don't think 2m buffs are the problem, it's just that what you do between them ...
whats the 21st job
fiery jewel
but correct me if I'm wrong
jolly flume
samurai
grand mesa
tbh
jolly flume
I guess you could put mch up there
grand mesa
blm kind of doesn't care either
clear plume
is every RPR main a cooly alt <:Hmm:1244527265908265001>
ones that type the same as him do
jolly flume
my funny 10hb
zealous meteor
oh i would've guessed BRD because of its constant buffs
low hearth
i need the cool mint connect
terse zodiac
blm doesn't care but its not particularly interesting outside 2m window
its just the same always lol
grand mesa
if ur 2min leylines is ass ur supposed to drift it into a good spot rather than use a LL where u get 30% uptime
fiery jewel
Think out of the melees maybe Samurai has the most interesting filler?
jolly flume
your filler is usually just completely disconnected from your burst for a lot of jobs
sam and kinda mch if you cope really hard are the only ones where that kinda matters in terms of keeping things on time and in buffs
fiery jewel
It's sad because MCH could genuinely be gigacracked if they shifted potency into burst more
fiery jewel
but I think MCH burst is barely stronger than DNC & BRD which is the biggest issue
terse zodiac
picto and rdm have nice filler, rdm just hasn't changed in ages
fiery jewel
pretty sure RDM getting carded over MCH now also?
fiery jewel
RDM having the best burst out of the gauge jobs just doesn't really sit right
grand mesa
unless its a downtime fight and u have dt paint to think about
fiery jewel
PCT might always be inherently interesting since you have to paint and stuff
just a cool niche for the ppl who enjoy it
grand mesa
mch just doesn't scale into 2min well
fiery jewel
PCT & RDM do way too much damage to have the best mit out of dps role
but idrc I like caster love
grand mesa
gg
fiery jewel
def want more 2 caster comps in pf so I'll take it
terse zodiac
mit desparity is just weird to have with the current game
we gonna homogenize everything except drg and viper you can't have any personal mit
terse zodiac
all phys range have the 1
jolly flume
those are the 3 dlcs yeah
fiery jewel
ye
grand mesa
ngl
bring back some jobs being ass at some fights
give every job strengths
I miss that shit
grand mesa
no, not really
jolly flume
dnc has improv/curing monk has mantra brd has minne but those are like the dlc to the dlc
fiery jewel
but I agree with u
finite plank
what do you think of ninja having 2 shukuchi and able to refresh it with mudra
fiery jewel
they can make it more of an identity for some jobs
fiery jewel
what do you think of ninja having 2 shukuchi and able to refresh it with mudra
cooked here
finite plank
bring back some jobs being ass at some fights
m6s and nin
fiery jewel
I think some jobs are outright ass at fights the dps checks just don't matter enough for ppl to care.
grand mesa
dnc has improv/curing monk has mantra brd has minne but those are like the dlc t...
every time a mnk presses mantra during stack/defams in m12p2 i want to reach through my monitor and kiss them
rain geode
bring back some jobs being ass at some fights
eh I kinda like getting to play the job I want, if "job identity" has to suffer to make that fine Im cool with that
fiery jewel
MCH is literally bottom dps every phase fru for example
jolly flume
well they can't tune the dps checks to be tight without the state of job balance placing some jobs at real risk of being legitimate grief
finite plank
MCH is literally bottom dps every phase fru for example
natural sandbag for gauge building
low hearth
monk is goated
jolly flume
it's better this patch but nooooo shot before that
grand mesa
eh I kinda like getting to play the job I want, if "job identity" has to suffer ...
the job you want does not matter if every job is the same
fiery jewel
That's why I'm surprised M11S was tight
grand mesa
it isnt
fiery jewel
but it was cool
grand mesa
people are just ass
finite plank
they should be at the bottom as they can bank gauge for next phase
low hearth
riddle of earth 
fiery jewel
week 1-3 it felt tight in pf
remote gate
is m11s the greatest savage fight this game has seen
grand mesa
pf players are ass
finite plank
and bank it again for the next phase if allowed
fiery jewel
obviously checks will never be tight for statics because the difference of running full raidbuff comp vs avg pf comp is like 5k+ even at equal skill level
jolly flume
there was a jp tweet that essentially said "fuck your dps comp just find two healers that can do 20k and you clear"
fiery jewel
which is the issue with m11s
jolly flume
guy was kinda spittin
rain geode
<:FKu:1244538043814252545> the job you want does not matter if every job is the ...
Eh they feel differnt enough to me that Im fine with it
grand mesa
you can kill m11s on full crafted 3wk tome+ex wep with 2 deaths if everyone in your group is mildly competent
fiery jewel
think they should make selfish dps outright better than raidbuff jobs that's the only way to actually balance the game somewhat without combat rework
remote gate
https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G9AiXFYX0AA1tUs.gif
thank you for this gift
jolly flume
if we didn't have the extra weeks of tomes 11 would've been truly tight
valid solar
healers that do more than 20k are like an endangered species nowadays I fear
grand mesa
there was a jp tweet that essentially said "fuck your dps comp just find two hea...
ngl
this was my
low hearth
mildly competent party members 
grand mesa
m11s clear
jolly flume
tight as in statics need to play near perfectly and pf ain't doing it
fiery jewel
it's all relative obviously
low hearth
there was a jp tweet that essentially said "fuck your dps comp just find two hea...
they were right 
rain geode
healers that do more than 20k are like an endangered species nowadays I fear
I mean 20k is what I see healers cap out at at least in my games
grand mesa
carried by the healers,. gg
fiery jewel
try running it down with RPR & MCH in the same party
jolly flume
we cleared with 4 damage downs skipping the enrage cast with a few off meta jobs
grand mesa
we were in sync
fiery jewel
we cleared with 4 damage downs skipping the enrage cast with a few off meta jobs
y'all are just top tier skill level tho
checks will never be tight for y'all with the current design 😭
grand mesa
i miss p8sp1
jolly flume
pf healers are genuinely just lobotomized and I'm sorry yall have to deal with them
grand mesa
bring back the gatekeep fights
zealous meteor
carried by the healers,. gg
bottom dps, 
fiery jewel
I'm just happy
they gigabufffed whm this tier
becuase imagine how much wors eit would be if whm sucked
rain geode
bring back the gatekeep fights
Isnt that M11S
jolly flume
yeah whm feels really nice to play this tier
grand mesa
Isnt that M11S
not gatekeep enough
jolly flume
I actually played it for the first time literally ever in 11 lol
terse zodiac
people couldn't handle m11s i wish they were around for p8s
worn bluff
then they did this to it
it actually feels kind of uncomfortable how flexible it is. like i accidentally started gnashing 4s before no mercy and was like oh no i fucked up
then i learned that it's actually totally fine because any gnashing ogcd is good to open NM. which is kind of nice but also feels wrong
fiery jewel
I think WHM is outright out performing AST in most fights this tier?
rain geode
I dunno maybe my opinion would change if I had a static but PF can barely do whats out I dont think we need to make it harder
fiery jewel
I think lindwurm phase 1 the only exception but idk
terse zodiac
then again it was nerfed week 2 (?) so probably would be same situation
jolly flume
there are more short fights this tier so the extra misery cast is more significant
fiery jewel
If they buffed SGE pf might have felt way better
grand mesa
it actually feels kind of uncomfortable how flexible it is. like i accidentally ...
if ur running 2.45 u also get the pleasure of drifting any gcd and being able to not give a shit
worn bluff
fiery jewel
but when I was progging ppl were literally clowning SGE players for not playing SCH
it was really bad
jolly flume
whm vs ast in a 14 minute final floor would've been a lot more of a competition if not leaning towards ast prob
jolly flume
but when I was progging ppl were literally clowning SGE players for not playing ...
I mean yeah sge is kinda the new pre 7.4 whm ngl
fiery jewel
whm vs ast in a 14 minute final floor would've been a lot more of a competition ...
makes sense
rain geode
I leveled it and geared it but Ive felt to urge to go and actually play it in savage
worn bluff
oh, my double down drifted 3 gcds
in 8.0 NM will just grant Double Down Ready
rain geode
maybe Ill try my M10S reclear with it for that lols
jolly flume
I still have no idea what they were thinking in 7.0 when they cut recite to 60s and then at the same level gave sage a trait that extends the heal buff on physis by 5 seconds
grand mesa
I think WHM is outright out performing AST in most fights this tier?
not really
jolly flume
holy inequality batman
grand mesa
fiery jewel
people couldn't handle m11s i wish they were around for p8s
My only legitimate complaint about M11S is it is genuinely the hardest check this whole tier which I feel is just bad design
grand mesa
maybe wk 1, but ast scales the more ur party does
jolly flume
ast/sch does scale better into later weeks too yeah
fiery jewel
M9S
and M10S checks were too easy and filtered sketchy players into M11S week one
M12S P1 check is reasonable but P2 check is unreasonably easy
fiery jewel
I agree
I think if P2 dps check was like
2k-3k harder week one
world race could've been way longer
rain geode
If I had a consistent group of people who played id probably agree
jolly flume
we cleared on our first clean pull through idyllic from 21% doing awful damage
it was pretty easy but tbf I think they just tuned for that intentionally
fiery jewel
P2 M12S they didn't test it with uptime strats we have in pf which is the most likely scenario
so they undertuned it
grand mesa
we cleared on our first clean pull through idyllic from 21% doing awful damage
killed with 8 deaths and a damade down or two pretty recently
fiery jewel
I don't think ID is as hard aspeople say for the fight to be a free clear if you do it somewhat clean
jolly flume
idyllic was kind of crazy early on esp when we were doing downtime everything
fiery jewel
with the week 1 & 2 strats I agree ye
grand mesa
i think they just
fiery jewel
but that should've been the point though we as a community had to adopt better strats to consistnetly clear or smth
grand mesa
didn't bother with trying to tune m12
fiery jewel
which we eventually got there so it's fine
grand mesa
idk
fiery jewel
I think P1 check is reasonable but it's still easier than M11S
you have to think that M11S is like a full minute of downtime before enrage and ends right before a 1min burst
fiery jewel
so M11S is the fight where ppl do hte least dps in by far
grand mesa
there is no friction
jolly flume
when I say bad damage I do mean bad damage
rain geode
Honestly I just wish PF could reclear for shit
grand mesa
when I say bad damage I do mean bad damage
its fine
jolly flume
grand mesa
noble carried u on his back with a sack
fiery jewel
So that's why I think M11S dps check is legitimately the hardest it's like a full minute of filler
craggy marsh
when I say bad damage I do mean bad damage
Damn, Midir really fell off he went from Dark Souls to this shit game
terse zodiac
idk if m11s really is harder or just you are well ahead once you make it to m12s
grand mesa
m11s check is the hardest because they didn't make the previous fights enough of a filter
fiery jewel
tho I think technically both 12 phases have a harder dps check
grand mesa
terse zodiac
obviously m12s easier to keep full uptime
fiery jewel
no like M11S is actually the hardest numerically
grand mesa
you also have 3 pots
terse zodiac
numerically m12s has a higher check on both phases no?
fiery jewel
both 12 fights end on 1min burst
jolly flume
11 is numerically harder and more importantly there's a lot more places you can fuck up without wiping to cause an enrage
craggy marsh
m11s check is the hardest because they didn't make the previous fights enough of...
ffxiv players when they have to focus on what is happening in the arena instead of just staring at a boss castbar
fiery jewel
not just the acutal dps check number
jolly flume
god bless orbital omen
craggy marsh
I do wonder what orbital looked like in pf before the ez strat was discovered
wicked delta
That mech kinda monkas on 200ms man
fiery jewel
I think M11S dps check is 234k and P2 check is 239k but one ends on 1min of filler and one ends on a 1min burst
and most jobs damage spikes alot during 1min burst even if it's for like 10 seocnds
fiery jewel
job like DRG can get full burst out easily
fiery jewel
orbital was cooked week 1
jolly flume
I spammed the 212 dodge video in here for like 3 days straight when I saw it
fiery jewel
orbital the best mechanic the whole tier
jolly flume
because it was all anyone was talking about
fiery jewel
ngl
peak mechanic
because orbital omen actually put fear in people's hearts week one
more fear than Idyllic Dream
grand mesa
it made me fear the iq of my teammates
craggy marsh
Man, I slacked this weekend when I told myself i'd do M12s prog more
grand mesa
not the mechanic itself
fiery jewel
it was always the phys ranged dying
tbf it's always the phys ranged players dying to dodge mechanics
idk how man
craggy marsh
I made it through act 2 and decided that was a good stopping point for me
grand mesa
m12p1 is almost
fiery jewel
12-1 I think is the worst fight probs
grand mesa
disappointing
jolly flume
I don't think almost needs to be there
fiery jewel
12-1 is like ai generated
jolly flume
it's just kind of a sad fight to me
grand mesa
my static has more trouble reclearing m9s clean
jolly flume
cruel coil is kinda cool I guess
craggy marsh
does phase 1 get more exciting after act 2 or is it just downhill until phase 2
worn bluff
cruel coil is kind of cool
jolly flume
everything else sucks balls
fiery jewel
cruel coil should have more variants
worn bluff
bats are harder than idyllic
zealous meteor
my static has more trouble reclearing m9s clean
vamp stomp impossible mechanic sorry
true beacon
they just took the normal and asked AI to make it harder
They make the fights backwards though
fiery jewel
but it always spins clockwise so it's very predictable
grand mesa
does phase 1 get more exciting after act 2 or is it just downhill until phase 2
act 3 in a vacuum is an okay mechanic
it's just
true beacon
Savage is made before Normal
grand mesa
m12p1 is filled with "okay mechanics" and no struggle for uptime
craggy marsh
ahh I see
fiery jewel
atleast the p1 dps check was actually a thing early on
grand mesa
so it's disappointing in its entirety
fiery jewel
it's just an extreme trial with a savage dps check
jolly flume
never mind slaughtershed
true beacon
I haven’t done M12 yet so my brain is still going to P4S
fiery jewel
I heard p8 and p12 had way better door boss
jolly flume
the one redeeming quality of the fight is that it fucking tears your asshole apart with raidwides
fiery jewel
like honestly this fight could've just been no checkpoint
true beacon
Oh Athena P1 is fantastic
fiery jewel
but it would be too long
jolly flume
idk about no checkpoint I dont want to play for 13 minutes to see idyllic or I'd actually cry
true beacon
And like half of p2 is good
jolly flume
but yeah door sucked
fiery jewel
Ye I hear high praise for athena p1
I think pandaemonium ultimate might actually be next that's the rumor I'm hearing
so might get to experience it
craggy marsh
Idk how I feel about no checkpoint fights
fiery jewel
this was my first impression of a checkpoint boss and pretty shit ngl
craggy marsh
if M12s didn't have a checkpoint it would probably be a bigger filter than m11
fiery jewel
tho ig I did p8 and p12 unsync
jolly flume
dont ask about 9 we did that blind alarmclock during peak ddos hours
fiery jewel
I did do high concept legit
jolly flume
like
terse zodiac
m12 p2 absolutely makes being a cp worth it
fiery jewel
I think m9s was pretty bad but it's a floor 1
craggy marsh
dont ask about 9 we did that blind alarmclock during peak ddos hours
So we fully expect the ult to be DDOS city right?
jolly flume
idk we could probably have done door in 50 if we didn't have brain damage on intercard pattern in act 3
fiery jewel
compared to dancing gren and black cat it's pretty bad
honestly I would put this tier equal to LHW imo
CW > HW = LHW
grand mesa
idk we could probably have done door in 50 if we didn't have brain damage on int...
at least u didnt do the "everyone out" strat for act 2
fiery jewel
LHW is easy but atleast all four fights felt fun in their own weird way
and is HW that much harder besides m11s to warrant taking that away idk
jolly flume
we were talking about the everyone out strat and then we collectively just went yeah this is more annoying than the "intended" way
it's just looper anyway we all did top
fiery jewel
M9S dps check if it was like
grand mesa
seeing ts is so fucking funny man
fiery jewel
I don't think you should be able to carry people out of first floor week one
just bad design
unless it's like gigacarry
grand mesa
he's eu
craggy marsh
I'll never forget when me and my husband ran into Yoyo while doing expert dungeons back in EW
fiery jewel
it's just looper anyway we all did top
similar to Looper and Twofold Tempest was my impression
grand mesa
maybe the chad samurai or blm
ive left my days of being pf carry blm behind me
fiery jewel
but those mechs are probably harder honestly
craggy marsh
He got me my last comm I needed for my fat chocobo
grand mesa
yoyo is my goat
jolly flume
not even in healing literally just dps
grand mesa
you can carry harder on healer than you can on dps anyways
true
fiery jewel
dps skill gap isn't high enough
grand mesa
every time i play anything other than healer and i have to deal with 2 random healers
fiery jewel
like bottom samurai compared to top samurai like 25-99 isn't big enough
but I get why they design it that way
grand mesa
i end up spending most of my time wondering what those two chucklefucks are doing
fiery jewel
that's the only way we'll get hard dps checks most likely
if they skill gap is lowered
worn bluff
i saw a wantless yoyo in town
grand mesa
ah
echo ibex
<@248739587227123712> wait i just saw you on aether?
On NA alt rn
grand mesa
might be alt
echo ibex
But main EU
grand mesa
yea
worn bluff
o
grand mesa
hiii yoyo
worn bluff
i was following you around
worn bluff
echo ibex
On the wild unlocking moon
fiery jewel
Hope upcoming Criterion they hit it out of the park
Are Criterion dps checks usually hard?
grand mesa
I miss her
jolly flume
Are Criterion dps checks usually hard?
they're typically free as fuck, like if you have fingers there's absolutely no way you'll ever hit them even on savage
fiery jewel
Deadass I think Pandaemonium ultimate is next because why else would Yoshi P do Q&A on the Pandaemonium server?
craggy marsh
I mean I hope it's not panda
jolly flume
it was pretty common in savage to hold before a boss for cds
fiery jewel
they're typically free as fuck, like if you have fingers there's absolutely no w...
honestly if it's like Extreme / Chaotic level I'm fine with that. I just think moving Crit Savage for the hardcore peeps is odd.
craggy marsh
Hades and Shinryu ult should come before Panda ult
terse zodiac
he said next ultimate would be meta, idk how that could apply to pandaemonium
jolly flume
I liked crit savage but I'm done coping that they'll bring them back
craggy marsh
he said next ultimate would be meta, idk how that could apply to pandaemonium
tf does meta even mean
jolly flume
just give me another q40 pretty please
fiery jewel
q40 was the best fight this expac
terse zodiac
no idea what he meant but
fiery jewel
I agree
imagine if q40 dual boss design was a 8 man savage one day
next expac hopefully
craggy marsh
maybe i'm dumb but the phrase "meta ult" doesn't make sense to me
fiery jewel
They could do so much more with boss arenas
echo ibex
Make em a triangle instead
worn bluff
hmm how long does ucob take to prog... or is it mostly just filling PF that's the problem
zealous meteor
On the wild unlocking moon
what is that title.....
terse zodiac
hes been pretty on the nose with his descriptions before, like for TOP he said it would be only omega
jolly flume
the latter
worn bluff
tempted to get it just for one glam
echo ibex
what is that title.....
meow meow
fiery jewel
Dual Bosses have been my favorite fight this expac honestly
jolly flume
you could very reasonably learn ucob in less than a week if you had people
grand mesa
hmm how long does ucob take to prog... or is it mostly just filling PF that's th...
find like
fiery jewel
like FRU p4 & q40? the best fights imo.
grand mesa
3 other shmucks
jolly flume
the hard part is finding said people
craggy marsh
hes been pretty on the nose with his descriptions before, like for TOP he said i...
By meta he means meta comps only
grand mesa
and pfs are easier to fill
craggy marsh
zealous meteor
is that a real title
fiery jewel
By meta he means meta comps only
nooo plz
zealous meteor
or is it a mod
terse zodiac
lmao yeah
fiery jewel
what does meta mean though
grand mesa
if ur sitting in pf 1/8 hoping for more ppl ur going to struggle
fiery jewel
I feel like Pandaemonium could fit meta
terse zodiac
only thing i can take that to mean is like.. ultimate ultimate?
echo ibex
is that a real title
mod ofc
fiery jewel
I guess most meta is Arcadion would be crazy if they do it immediately
fiery jewel
could be a possibility?
grand mesa
fiery jewel
or Zodialyn ult but they will probably save that for when the game starts dying again
grand mesa
what this could possibly mean in relation to an ultimate
idk
im not going to think about it
fiery jewel
Zodialyn ult would bring every raider back to the game
craggy marsh
So it'll be Hades and the themes will be dealing with loss and the death of everyone you know
jolly flume
I will sit back and let them cook
jolly flume
I have faith in them to not make fru 2
terse zodiac
we'll see soon
jolly flume
surely
fiery jewel
less downtime hopefully
unless it's crystallize time difficulty mech no need for downtime
craggy marsh
Yeah we'll find out soon what it is
fiery jewel
this kind-of screams pandaemonium though
worn bluff
i think this is one of the few yellow swords that works with the glam other than HW relic
worn bluff
it doesn't fit that well but at least it's yellow when sheathed
craggy marsh
i think this is one of the few yellow swords that works with the glam other than...
Yo Magik glam?
worn bluff
jolly flume
I kinda want to do cob again
craggy marsh
<a:bcaGuiltySweat:439086049201750019>
jolly flume
but then I think of twintania
visual geyser
I do wonder wtf meta could mean lol
worn bluff
can you just carry my dead body through for this yellow sword
craggy marsh
but then I think of twintania
I'm Tania and i'm Tania
fiery jewel
when I think meta I'm thinking like new / popular
craggy marsh
and we're Twintania
terse zodiac
they take 1 phase from each ultimate, glue together, call it a day
fiery jewel
so obviously arcadion is the #1 meta thing currently
echo ibex
and we're Twintania
Team rocket ass
craggy marsh
when I think meta I'm thinking like new / popular
well Endwalker ultimate is something people have been excited for
with Hydaelyn, Zodiark, and Endsinger
fiery jewel
Idk if they can have all 3 in the same ult
because final phase would have to be zodialyn
or maybe they combine all 3 of them idk
could be fire
zodialynsinger
craggy marsh
Honestly just make the final phase be full Zodiark
echo ibex
Theyll just go the easy way for EW and do Zodiark full power
craggy marsh
not sundered Zodiark
fiery jewel
the ultiamte fight in this game has to be Zodialyn
echo ibex
Instead of spinning the arena he spins himself
fiery jewel
that's like the whole point of the story almost for 10 years
jolly flume
I just hope they integrate the story into the fight better than they did with fru
fiery jewel
when u think like who is the ultimate boss of ffxiv
you're thinking omega or zodialyn probs
fiery jewel
from lore perspective
jolly flume
I've cleared the fight 30 times and I still have no idea what's supposed to be happening in there for half the runtime
terse zodiac
zodiark + ascians ultimate could go really hard
fiery jewel
so that's why omega being the hardest ultiamte actually made sense
craggy marsh
I've cleared the fight 30 times and I still have no idea what's supposed to be h...
Mitron fucking things up
fiery jewel
for now atleast
jolly flume
HER AWAKENING IS INCOMPLETE...HER MEMORIES WEAKEN THE LINK
fiery jewel
atleast FRU like felt good as a fight
jolly flume
SUCH IMPEDIMENTS TO OUR RESONANCE MUST BE EXPUNGED
craggy marsh
THIS CACOPHONY
craggy marsh
I really hate how the tree only shows up if you fail p4
jolly flume
for all I diss fru p5 is still a banger in every sense besides mechanically
unless you're a tank
wings is fun to do on tank
fiery jewel
FRU p5 should've always been the final phase for sure
craggy marsh
FRU is a banger with the voicelines
fiery jewel
Pandora is one of the best designs
craggy marsh
FRU has some good in it but the really easy dps check and lame mechs kinda throws it down for me
P1 is cool
jolly flume
we'll get through this, ryne!
craggy marsh
P2 I honestly don't like
jolly flume
-# yes, together!
craggy marsh
one of the best patch arts ngl
The fact they just showed off the FRU final phase boss was kinda neat tbh
fiery jewel
ye they soft confirmed it
wicked delta
i mean we all knew they were gonna do a gay fusion
i just wish the design was cooler
craggy marsh
Yeah the final phase of FRU was the easiest prediction ever
jolly flume
we did like most of eden savage on the 100 gear sheet to prep and 2 fights ended up mattering 
terse zodiac
watching the world first race stream and the casters speculating if there was going to be a phase after pandora 😭
grand mesa
feels like they could've done something with an extra phase somewhere between 4-5 or 5-6
terse zodiac
as if it wasn't obviously the final phase
jolly flume
watching the world first race stream and the casters speculating if there was go...
we all knew by that point that p6 was cope just from runtime
it was already like 13min into the fight + long ass cs
craggy marsh
why tf did people think Pandora wasn't the final phase
jolly flume
feels like they could've done something with an extra phase somewhere between 4-...
they should've just used the 2 and a half minutes they wasted on intermission on an actual fight methinks
terse zodiac
yeah i mean i get why some people speculated, the fail phase and the enrage cutscene were weird
but it was obviously the last phase lol
craggy marsh
FRU gave us the most cringe line from XIV commentators tho
"LOOK AT THAT INSANE MIT!"
And it was rampart + guardian
wow so insane
worn bluff
for all I diss fru p5 is still a banger in every sense besides mechanically
the wings are cool but the rest of the design is meh
it's just ryne with dyed hair
worn bluff
wicked delta
"LOOK AT THAT INSANE MIT!"
they were fighting for their life to give commentary let them breathe 😭
jolly flume
I look at the floor the entire fight so that doesn't factor in for me much
craggy marsh
they were fighting for their life to give commentary let them breathe 😭
That's why XIV doesn't really need "esports" level commentators bc what the fuck do they talk about
jolly flume
mostly just music+voicing+ pretty colors because i'm a child and easily amused
craggy marsh
XIV is boring to watch
worn bluff
And it was rampart + guardian
tbf a lot of gaming commentary is like that
And the Paladin comes through with the Rampart and Guardian! Absolutely clutch combo, and getting that bonus healing on the shield too. Top tier gameplay
craggy marsh
tbf a lot of gaming commentary is like that
And the Paladin comes through with ...
The way they all went to their clockspots? Amazing coordination that takes high skill
grand mesa
they should've just used the 2 and a half minutes they wasted on intermission on...
honestly
yeah
or just stop giving a shit and give us a 23min runtime ulti
another phase 
jolly flume
treeeeeee
wicked delta
rain geode
bro i need a new static
um
grand mesa
out here fighting my demons
rain geode
your top laner appears to be level 20? I assume this is one of those silly modes they added?
wicked delta
i wish i could do TOP
clear plume
your top laner appears to be level 20? I assume this is one of those silly modes...
no, thats just how top works now
clear plume
out here fighting my demons
where is my invite?????????
rain geode
no, thats just how top works now
????????????????
grand mesa
where is my invite?????????
u edate on league, i dont want to associate i fear
wicked delta
worn bluff
imagine ultimate mounts that cost 99 totems
jolly flume
they exist
grand mesa
i still have to derust
jolly flume
nobody told you though
sinful brook
With or without the massive pebis
wicked delta
i wish Omega M appeared in my house
wicked delta
dun dun
worn bluff
if i prog top i have to swap out p1 music
grand mesa
worn bluff
i already decided i'm replacing it with rose - APT
worn bluff
stray forge
blooper
jolly flume
if you're not in vc can you stream looper
is this like your idea of a substitute for melatonin or something
craggy marsh
Look at my fat baby
rapid whale
loop and loop and loop and loop
valid solar
is this like your idea of a substitute for melatonin or something
I wanna see content and maybe they actually get past blooper
you never know
jolly flume
Look at my fat baby
chungus
stray forge
chungus amungus
wicked delta
is this like your idea of a substitute for melatonin or something
I used to do this too for FRU
The issue is that it never properly put me to sleep
craggy marsh
TOP bgm goes so hard man
wicked delta
Or maybe its because discord user Chiyo Shiomi screams like a banshee
craggy marsh
Do do. Do Do. Do do.
jolly flume
Or maybe its because discord user Chiyo Shiomi screams like a banshee
at least I'm amusing
wicked delta
at least I'm amusing
Its true you’re one of my favorite clowns
midnight furnace
6 mins is right before flatliner right
loud nymph
yes
loud nymph
good luck with your weapons prog
midnight furnace
To be honest the one i had earlier we were reaching Ecliptic every pull so it surprised me
torn kindle
If it’s not weapons prog it’s arena split prog
“Are these inner or outer markers?”
”They’re good markers”
2 wipes later
Theyre outer markers
midnight furnace
>“Are these inner or outer markers?”
>”They’re good markers”
>2 wipes later
>The...
I am just now facing this lol
What do those even mean btw
Im just used to following Hector Strats to a T
So id expect the people to use his guide
loud nymph
it's whichever corner you go to as a marker player for flatliner
Hector shows outer + no buddies version in his guide
midnight furnace
Yeah so its outer then
worn bluff
>“Are these inner or outer markers?”
>”They’re good markers”
>2 wipes later
>The...
i’ve been in a few parties where people answer “idk”
fierce matrix
>“Are these inner or outer markers?”
>”They’re good markers”
>2 wipes later
>The...
How are people like this
Its not that hard to use eyes and see what the markers are
echo ibex
Its not that hard to use eyes and see what the markers are
Because there are like
3 pairs of markers since prog times
mossy eagle
Its not that hard to use eyes and see what the markers are
Not gonna lie if you set down a set of markers and asked me inner or outer I'd have zero idea
I just have one set in waymark studio listed as "these are good inner markers" and another set as "these are good outer markers"
fierce matrix
If the marker on SW lines up with the tile on the ground
Its inner
If it doesnt line up, its outer
There is actually no difference between good or bad markers as if you are on the spot you dont die 
dull drum
fuck this lets execute all pfers and make them decide on one set
and then make non tethers jump across thoughts
grand mesa
Erm
worn bluff
non tethers all cross. for all towers after that, take the towers diagonally across from the ones you last took
scythe spreads RMMR on each side
low hearth
rain geode
!?
rapid whale
@low hearth bored?
worn bluff
surely no strat this tier is worse than OCE idyllic towers
fierce matrix
scythe spreads RMMR on each side
Nah true north scythe proteans
Thats the goated strat
grand mesa
But idyllic towers is just so unfathomably bad
vestal hollow
worn bluff
Nah true north scythe proteans
LP1 N CW, LP2 NW CCW for sword
but relative to the last weapon
dull drum
surely no strat this tier is worse than OCE idyllic towers
send the plan
i need content during my lunch break
worn bluff
send the plan
acting LP platforms
so all melees and tanks can end up on the same side
fierce matrix
thats what we did w1
its zenith
we didnt know it was role baited
it made no sense to swap LPs again to true without that info
fierce matrix
now its like...yeah you should be doing that
fierce matrix
There have been downtime stuff with mechs tho
grand mesa
It's just weird that oce decided to stick with the worse strat
worn bluff
i mean i get the idea
grand mesa
But i guess they value their caster uptime too much
fierce matrix
like you can't force melee to get full uptime during arena split in M11S
i mean
you can technically?
or close to it
grand mesa
Apparently my friend argued with MR people in charge of strats
And they used caster uptime as the excuse for this dogshit
When forcing 4m on one platform is just so unfathomably stupid
low hearth
<@371728480645283840> bored?
yo
in uwu c41
somebody wiped the entire raid with light pillar 💔
grand mesa
But I can't expect any less from the same dc that took our m11s strats and flipped the g1/g2 assignments for several mechanics just to fuck with travellers
low hearth
phys range players yet again have brain worms
grand mesa
Anyways
amber fable
Materia has raiders?
amber fable
Its about as dead as chaos last I went there
dull drum
somebody wiped the entire raid with light pillar 💔
real talk
amber fable
Maybe not in pf
low hearth
bro u just circle around the arena
jolly flume
he likes fire emblem
dull drum
oh is that the actual origin
low hearth
we got the biggest padder in this fight in the party
dull drum
i was just fucking around
robust shoal
wait this is serious
dull drum
💀
jolly flume
wait this is serious
what fight is this again
grand mesa
wait this is serious
Yes
robust shoal
I thought that was a slide from the purposely bad idyllic strat
grand mesa
No
dull drum
what fight is this again
oce idyllic
grand mesa
This is what materia pf does
dull drum
they load all the melees onto one platform
jolly flume
LMAO
dull drum
robust shoal
that's like the most perfectly-tuned ragebait instruction
grand mesa
It's acting light parties
Sometimes you have 4 melee on one side
If you do
Good luck
dull drum
does this mean viper wins in that strat
trim frost
?????????????
dull drum
think about it if you have some uncoileds then being a bottom isnt the biggest deal
rapid whale
somebody wiped the entire raid with light pillar 💔
Classic
dull drum
phys range players yet again have brain worms
mb
maybe its time to go back to prange
worn bluff
i want to watch a prog stream from OCE where all 4 melee bunch up front and refuse to move
and then everyone dies, but a minute later
grand mesa
?
worn bluff
pot of greed
grand mesa
to be fair
if the spiny is dying
you could also stop pressing aoe urself
but that might be too advanced of a concept
low hearth
i was only using single target
we had the 2nd highest ranked summoner last patch in the party 💔
grand mesa
i cant take ranks in old ult seriously 🥀
west zephyr
What am I looking at
low hearth
like the king of padders
grand mesa
What am I looking at
brainrot
low hearth
padding final boss
grand mesa
so
materia pf uses acting light parties for towers
sometimes you get 4 melees
so you just have to deal with that
why do they do this? apparently, it's for caster uptime
west zephyr
materia pf uses acting light parties for towers
But wait, wouldn't that mean there's a chance of getting say, 3/4 DPS/supports in one side and hence getting holy
Meaning...
grand mesa
if you dont have an lp config
it forces 2 on each side
so if you have 4 dps only 2 of them will still get hit
dull drum
i was only using single target
id believe you yeah
shit was alr a problem way back then
west zephyr
why do they do this? apparently, it's for caster uptime
Which caster anyways like what.
dull drum
parse monkeys in ulti pf
grand mesa
maybe a blm too lazy to use manip
dapper zealot
mb guys
west zephyr
girl
Not a question directly aimed at you miss, but the quote simply served for it
My apologies tho
grand mesa
oh
u have nothing to apologize for lol
im as dumbfounded as u are
even rdm just gets to save an accel to move to the right spot
dull drum
https://klipy.com/gifs/greedy-pot
you should see greed in TEA on the heart
grand mesa
and can use melee combo w/ manafic to head to their spot for defa
dull drum
🥀
dull drum
yeah but most people who arent good dont do it clean
grand mesa
gg
low hearth
you should see greed in TEA on the heart
thats just like 3 gcds
grand mesa
u can maybe get an opo and an sss in before it starts getting sussy
dull drum
thats just like 3 gcds
the thing is like pad on the heart is literally just for parse it has no other purpose/value so if you fuck it up and cause a wipe you look like clown of the century 😭
west zephyr
the thing is like pad on the heart is literally just for parse it has no other p...
Could vouch for some job resources, back in EW our DRG would high jump and mirage dive it so they could get an extra eye and get life of the dragon
It did cost us some runs tho...
jolly flume
crazy that I pb x2 with 5 alts in the party today
mossy eagle
gg ez
worn bluff
you got A? why not A+
dapper zealot
you got A? why not A+
bring dishonour 😔
mossy eagle
yeah seriously where are the 100s at?
jolly flume
idk I'm looking for them myself
west zephyr
crazy that I pb x2 with 5 alts in the party today
What is a main job
jolly flume
we do splits
which means we have some people with full gear and other people with basically none
the alts have none
jolly flume
man that 12-2 was actually kinda sick
98 damage 80 healing
dont chad your coheals kids just roll the gcd
west zephyr
dont chad your coheals kids just roll the gcd
And crit a ton if you can
stray forge
yw
jolly flume
mb
grand mesa
gg
jolly flume
wait chills
I think that's the first time I've ever had avoid overheal green on xiva
with an 80 hps wtf
rapid whale
gg
grand mesa
gg
jolly flume
random needle
20 minute dungeon
I had a tank get out-dpsed by Treno Citizen earlier tonight
jolly flume
i've said a few times but
calling some of those people out there treno citizens is an insult to treno citizens
rapid whale
lmfao
valid solar
This issue has climaxed this patch with them overbuffing WHM, making it the best healer in the game by a fair margin. While SGE just gets left behind? All of this could've been solved with an AST nerf. Healers have recieved.
grand mesa
> This issue has climaxed this patch with them overbuffing WHM, making it the be...
eto
where is this from
valid solar
Reddit
grand mesa
valid solar
This guy is cooking something
jolly flume
it's from cooly
valid solar
Idk what
west zephyr
<:soyboy:851578543878963220>
Show minor now
wicked delta
rapid whale
happy birthday
jolly flume
Show minor now
30 fairy gauge overcap mb
tanks take no damage during blood mana so I just don't bother...
dapper zealot
30 fairy gauge overcap mb
wow, washed
west zephyr
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscussion/s/sMN3JjyNH4
Everyone loves their job getting buffed, even further on a PVE game
I can see where it comes from but it is... hmmm, how to say it
west zephyr
30 fairy gauge overcap mb
Bro...
wicked delta
Can we kick the sch
west zephyr
Everyone loves their job getting buffed, even further on a PVE game
Tho they do talk about AST/SCH being predominant compared to whm and SGE but, their skill ceilings are also higher
jolly flume
sch is predominant over sge
not so true for ast whm anymore
I still like playing ast more but they're undeniably pretty well balanced
west zephyr
not so true for ast whm anymore
Maybe in terms of raw damage but the raidbuff contribution is still there, unless I'm missing something
Less on the two jobs against their own and more on actual team composition
wicked delta
When is criterion releasing again
dapper zealot
imagine being in the same team
rapid whale
isnt it gonna need current bis
jolly flume
Maybe in terms of raw damage but the raidbuff contribution is still there, unles...
they go back and forth in different fights, ast favors longer fights that end on bursts and whm likes shorter fights where the extra misery it gets in opener contributes more now
but more importantly they actually have defensive parity now
long live plenary
rapid whale
mitted by their almighty might
west zephyr
they go back and forth in different fights, ast favors longer fights that end on...
Hmm, didn't know such details now, but it makes sense
jolly flume
I'm actually strongly considering playing whm for the ultimate and you'd never have caught me dead saying that two months ago
sometimes sqex does get their shit straight
west zephyr
I'm actually strongly considering playing whm for the ultimate and you'd never h...
WHM is just comfy in all honesty
Tho AST utility...
jolly flume
it's braindead easy and gains from downtime in a way ast can't
I'll probably miss having macro at some point but eh
tired egret
WHM getting buffed for DT as a whole was fun
jolly flume
it got buffed but its competition that was already better got buffed harder
grand mesa
I'll probably swap to whm for ultimate
jolly flume
7.05 ast was certainly a job
grand mesa
i did swap and learned ast for FRU
back when i hadn't healed an entire tier and just did lhw on whm
too bad that tier isn't actually hard and those credentials dont mean much
