endgame-lounge

[valid solar]

hasnt pld been kinda goated ever since the 1st tier after its mini rework

[rapid whale]

ah it was 40%

[grand mesa]

it wasn't in a good spot for aspho

idk where it was during abyssos tbh

[worn bluff]

the one thing they had to sacrifice is being able to invuln some stuff

[grand mesa]

but it definitely caught up by ana

[valid solar]

abyssos was when gnb/drk was way better than pld/war right ?

[rapid whale]

if we keep talking about pld do you think we can summon wol

[valid solar]

we'll summon the other guy

[sleek moon]

idm like having good damage

[grand mesa]

war specifically was

[sleek moon]

but being overrepresented in terms of players

[grand mesa]

kind of dogass w1

iirc

cats probably remembers better than i do

[sleek moon]

pld play rate has been high for a long while

[robust shoal]

war has been poop from a butt since 5.0

[grand mesa]

bc i was just vibing on blm that tier

[alpine plover]

war is good in field ops

[grand mesa]

on the bright side

[robust shoal]

pld was also trash in aspho/abyssos

[grand mesa]

war was good in ult

[sleek moon]

even there pld is better, you dont need 3gcds to have your dmg buff up

[robust shoal]

people just didn't complain about it in aspho because there was no dps check

[grand mesa]

people were locking mch/pld out of pfs though

unfortunately

[sleek moon]

and req works with magic phantom skills

[grand mesa]

but they were definitely

the outliers in job balance

in a bad way

[alpine plover]

nah war is better

in ft

cuz berserker

you should see the opti you can do with berserker

[sleek moon]

well ft is another topic lol

[grand mesa]

is it time to stare at my catgirl while i relax

[alpine plover]

weapons PALE in comparison

[rapid whale]

do yall think the next prange is gonna have the pct effect where it invalidates all the others in its role for a tier

[sleek moon]

yes

[grand mesa]

yes

[alpine plover]

yes

[grand mesa]

would be funny if it was some personal dps cannon

[rapid whale]

mch players will need a wellness check

[grand mesa]

that invalidated mch

[rapid whale]

bro

[grand mesa]

and only mch

[rapid whale]

can you imagine it was an actually burst oriented adps

like sam

so it just blows mch out the water

[grand mesa]

imagine if the next prange that has wildfire that could actually crit

just to rub it in

[sleek moon]

mch has dismantle tax

[grand mesa]

gg

[rapid whale]

watch it get like, a personal shield instead of dismantle

"this is balanced and fair"

[valid solar]

didnt they specifically give mch dismantle so it actually had something over the other 2

[grand mesa]

yes

tbf

mch was pretty good in TOP when it was relevant

[valid solar]

that reminds me WK once told me mch was BIS because of its second mit

[rapid whale]

yeah they gave mch dismantle so u dont have lb3 in p6 of top

and wipe

[valid solar]

can that actually happen

[grand mesa]

yes

[valid solar]

losing lb3 because you didnt take enough damage

[grand mesa]

yes

[valid solar]

[sleek moon]

what a well designed fight

[grand mesa]

TOP was CBT on content

i quit the game for 6 months after

didn't really raid all that seriously until dawntrail dropped

[sleek moon]

well ig thats the good part of next ulti being .5

can quit for 6 months and be in time for the expansion drop

[grand mesa]

yea

[valid solar]

im glad the next expac is this year

[grand mesa]

i wonder if my current static wants to keep going with ulti

they were pretty good this tier despite our hours

3 hr days, but everyone is good at studying so we still prog fast

[rapid whale]

thats the dream

[sleek moon]

im ultiphobic so my group has to recruit for the slot im leaving open

[rapid whale]

unfort rarely happens

[grand mesa]

pretty sure we cleared m12p2 in a lockout and a half

[rapid whale]

yea p2 study check fr even tho thats considered a meme

[grand mesa]

i did kind of carry them with callouts post-towers but

we got past the rest of the fight really quickly

and that's all personal respo

[valid solar]

nice

[worn bluff]

i like playing all the tanks for different reasons

except war unfortunately

[rapid whale]

Would war be fun if they had something like shell tron that subtracted from the damage buff duration

Or would that make rotations too cursed

Like a 10% dr that cut off 15s from the buff

[worn bluff]

i feel like that would just turn every use into a damage loss which other jobs don’t have

since it would force you to refresh the buff more often at lower potency

[rapid whale]

Hello again old tank stance I guess lol

[rain geode]

I mean you can view every 2 times you press this MIT as losing 10 beast gauge, if you do it 10 times you lose one full fell cleave

I don't think it would actually be that big of a deal but I feel like there's gotta be a cleaner solution then that

[worn bluff]

balance recommendations would basically turn into “how can you use this button as little as possible”

sheltron is different because your gauge is only used for sheltron and cover

it’s basically a cooldown

[rain geode]

I mean 1 fell cleave isn't gonna make or break a fight especially when you would have to press it a lot to matter

[worn bluff]

it would still be a point of optimization

which is what the balance focuses on

[grand mesa]

i feel like adding to a job would be better than

taking something away

[worn bluff]

my issue with WAR is that it feels like DRK but less

so why would i not just play DRK

[rain geode]

I dunno DRK didn't really grip me

[grand mesa]

they should add an explosion effect to the fell cleave animation for extra dopamine

surely that will fix things

[worn bluff]

i feel like you’ve got to just like the theme of warrior to enjoy it

[valid solar]

Yeah but drk can't cause wipes because you forgot to account for the infuriate anti knockback on a mechanic where you need to get kb

[grand mesa]

but yea

it wouldnt hurt to give warrior some things to think about

[valid solar]

War will probably always be like that because every role has 1 job that's simpler than the others

[sleek moon]

were you playing the game during SB launch

4.0 warrior was actually cursed

[valid solar]

Bapl started with DT I'm p sure

[sleek moon]

that iteration of warrior didnt last long

[rain geode]

Honestly I'd give warrior a mit that's a little bit like a personal version of the one AST ability that stores damage

[sleek moon]

but it had a lot of wrath gauge management

then they patched it and made it braindead

[rain geode]

Everytime I hear about old jobs I'm glad I didn't play the game back in the day

Cleric stance is so silly to me

[valid solar]

If they changed the ability that was just a self heal to a mitigation that stored damage and then healed after expiry that would make it a lot better

Then it wouldn't be missing a mit compared to other tanks

[rain geode]

And it gives a cool mit that's easy to use but also gives you sweat options in timing the heal perfectly

[daring pine]

is this not just macrocosmos

[worn bluff]

i was reading about this new job in fellowship that converts raw damage into a dot

seems pretty cool

[valid solar]

Marce didn't read tews message

[rain geode]

I mean I did describe it as a personal macrocosmos

[daring pine]

im half awake okay

sneepy..

[rain geode]

Well personal "that on AST ability"

[daring pine]

personal macrocosmos would be neat

need more interesting mits

[valid solar]

It's an absolutely broken healer that applies a permanent buff to party members so they only take 50% of damage directly and the other 50% as a DoT

[sleek moon]

cleric stance wasn't terrible other than activating it had a 3s cd but deactivating it didnt

so if you pressed it twice to do an emergency heal

[valid solar]

Like deaths dance from LoL

[sleek moon]

it would turn off and on

and then be on cd for 3s

[grand mesa]

that's just quirky self excog if u think about it

[sleek moon]

so now the tank is gonna die

[grand mesa]

but

being able to delay the heal for stuff like

holm > buster > get urself back up before autos hit

would be cute

[sleek moon]

on paper that's nice but, i actually want them to remove more heals from tanks

[rain geode]

I mean thats not wrong but it does feel a little reductive.

[sleek moon]

shits ridiculous rn

[grand mesa]

[worn bluff]

it was funny how they upgraded all the 30% mits into 40%+something from another tank

[rain geode]

Eh tanks are fine healing wise rn I feel

[sleek moon]

healers have the least interaction with tanks ever this expansion

[worn bluff]

i will make the great sacrifice of giving up my clemency in exchange for something else

[grand mesa]

not in my pf experience

but that

[sleek moon]

like i know we're never gonna move away from green dps healers

[grand mesa]

is mostly because offtanks cannot

bring themselves to short mit the mt for some ungodly reason

[sleek moon]

but every expansion tanks get more and more self sufficient

[grand mesa]

the solution here is to give every healer another dot

[sleek moon]

and i feel that kinda breaks the whole point of having a trinity

[grand mesa]

surely

[worn bluff]

my OT is a healer main so i get lots of mits

[rain geode]

I was gonna say I've certainly been unable to ignore my tanks and I'm even only at M10S

[grand mesa]

im traumatized

[valid solar]

What if Paladin was like fellowships Paladin and clemency wasn't just a self heal but also could be used as a damage skill that healed you for less when you used it on an enemy

[grand mesa]

so i end up

pressing 6-7 ogcds on the mt before we get launched in arena split

• regen

gg

[sleek moon]

i wanna go back to the times you had to gcd heal the tanks

[worn bluff]

i mean some of tank stuff in ff heals you too

[rain geode]

Gross no

[valid solar]

I remember one time I OT'd as war, I told the MT I'd throw nascent their way when autos were going out and I got praised for being the "only warrior in PF with a brain"

The bar is in hell

[grand mesa]

yes

it is.

[worn bluff]

i recently tried out drk this tier and i know exactly when to short mit bc i’m so used to when i get slapped as MT

i even TBN MT while dodging orbital 1

[valid solar]

When is it that pld gets the trait that makes holy circle and the burst heal on hit

Was that a dt thing

[rain geode]

I'm not a good enough player for how much worse the people I get in my parties are then me

[worn bluff]

idr

[rain geode]

I'm actually terrible even

[grand mesa]

people are lucky im attentive

i look at my party list so much that I raise people ~1 gcd from death by instict

[valid solar]

I read that as "people are lucky I'm attractive" and got very confused for a second

[grand mesa]

and that saves more pulls than i can count

[valid solar]

[grand mesa]

being a good healer probably makes me hot

[daring pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324875688800424090/1394021853059874908/togif.gif

[daring pine]

true

but val you're ast

ast is hot by default

[grand mesa]

not always..

[daring pine]

ok most ast are hot by default

[rain geode]

I don't know if it's related but I am both a healer and hot

[daring pine]

scary

uuh i am neither a healer nor hot

gg

[sleek moon]

when i did a tier on smn i could almost pre raise, but this tier i barely pay attention to what other people are doing

but i like using duty recorder to look back at what killed people

[grand mesa]

when all i do is press malefic

i kind of get used to paying attention to where people usually die and just prepare to raise there

[dull drum]

im actually about to lose my fucking mind on infernum polterghast

WHOD DESIGNED THIS BOSS

bro i literally can do providence in my goddamn sleep

[daring pine]

😭

i havent done infernum

just regular calamity

although im doing vanilla rn, going back into modded after i do this run

[dull drum]

dont do infernum its not worth it for sanity

i do enjoy the bosses being way more intelligent though

[thin tartan]

korean yoship griefing

[random needle]

Gulp

[amber fable]

What went wrong there?

[thin tartan]

nothing

but it was nearly a grief

[amber fable]

Welp that diagonal puddle was terrorism yea

[thin tartan]

funny how he retains the gm icon

[sleek moon]

that dnc clenched hard

[stray forge]

What’s a vidious bunny

[wicked delta]

GULP

[worn bluff]

wait

you can dodge burn mark in FRU?

saw a vid of it but can't post link here, basically gap closed the snapshot and didn't take damage

[limpid edge]

i need a snow day to prog m12s

too bad i cant cuz i have to shovel 18inches

[jolly flume]

yeah I took one look outside this morning and all the will to live drained from my body

[wicked delta]

Have you considered just walking through the snow?

[quick verge]

im eating the snow idgaf

[worn bluff]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-sliding-1

[stray forge]

eating nyc snow

[quick verge]

makes ur parse go up

[worn bluff]

it's gold

[sinful brook]

you can dodge it by walling too ;^)

[worn bluff]

channy doesn't want me to be alive

[dapper zealot]

Eat the gold snow

[stray forge]

come play vro

[loud nymph]

this video makes me so anxious

[dapper zealot]

Send some snow over, it's hot

[jolly flume]

omw

[remote gate]

throwing snowball at you

[stray forge]

Throwing snowball with 3 rocks and a razor blade packed tightly inside at you 💢

[remote gate]

rampart + the blackest night

[zealous meteor]

what the fuck

thats rude

[craggy marsh]

throwing a snowball that turns you into an m11s fresh progger

[stray forge]

I fight dirty 👏

#rogue

[rapid whale]

curse of never reclear upon you

[terse zodiac]

what on earth has this guy been eating

[worn bluff]

they really had to make trial roulette part of one of the relic steps

how many people are still queueing for striking tree man

[low hearth]

Mb

[wicked delta]

Children

[shy obsidian]

i want him

[clear plume]

Him vs bakool ja ja who wins in a boxing match

[proper cave]

There’s an unusual amount of boss style fates in ARR that feature lalafell predators

[shy obsidian]

who cares about a boxing match
they should be with meee

[echo ibex]

God forbid ask ranged people to do 2 steps to bait far on repli 2 if with a meele

BROTHER

YOU'RE A SMN

[clear plume]

Nah it’s correct to just follow prio, if your role for the mech is supposed to bait far just bait the far it doesn’t matter

Don’t expect people to read your mind

[echo ibex]

Brother until literally every clear party I've been since I cleared just does it because it doesn't cost you anything

[quick verge]

counterpoint

its eu pf

[worn bluff]

ranged should use brain cell and do it but

i also wouldn't trust PF to do it

[quick verge]

and they're ranged players

so its like

y'know

[worn bluff]

i think it's like a body language thing, if it doesn't look like they're going to do it then you just have to do it

[echo ibex]

Was so tempted to say

"Oh right, sorry, forgot you play SMN for a reason"

[dull drum]

should have would have been based

[mossy eagle]

Yeah if they're clearly taking the bait for you then it's an easy adjust, but at least in NA 99.9% of PF raiders are (attempting) to do the raidplan to a T

[echo ibex]

My bad expected decent competency

Again it just happens on reclears so maybe I also got too used to it

[normal summit]

Weird. If only there was some different way of solving rep 2 that avoided this situation entirely.
It's a shame that no such strat exists.

[fiery jewel]

DN is good enough

[terse zodiac]

its funny bc prog groups swapped almost entirely to BC after your vid but reclear groups are mostly DN still lol

[robust shoal]

strat fight strat fight

[normal summit]

I'm surprised anyone has bothered to use BC in PF.

Even if I think it's much nicer for statics.

[fiery jewel]

I think DN is good enough and still full uptime if executed properly honestly

the only strat that I was actively like "why are people not using this" early weeks was DN Uptime during ID

[normal summit]

I wouldn't expect anyone who can already DN cleanly to swap to it, as the main benefits of BC are in ease of execution.

[fiery jewel]

So thank you for putting that in your guide atleast

The N/S for ID was extremely cursed

The DPS check for phase 2 was probably too easy off rip because they I doubt they tested it using uptime strats, but the uptime strats have made the check 10x easier.

[normal summit]

oh yeah, my group never even bothered with that. We took one look at it and bawked before finding an uptime version like what I show in the guide

[sinful brook]

having been learning bc for my static i can say its nice but it won't solve your party's issues if they didn't have good uptime in the first place :^)

[normal summit]

yeah, DPS check is free. You never actually have to learn towers properly, as you can heal lb after lightning and just keep going like nothing happened

BC isn't about uptime. The one GCD barely matters.

[fiery jewel]

Honestly don't have a problem with any of the strats this tier, besides maybe M11S Arena Split because I think you can get almost full uptime if you bait the first marker max melee of the HB then inside, then corners.

Which isn't a huge issue but M11S probably was the hardest check this tier I feel? At least early weeks. Clean Enrage was a thing.

[normal summit]

My group considered something like this in reclears, but I think it increases the likelihood that a tether is late to their position and kills someone. Would have been nice week 1, but now that the DPS check is gone, we don't bother.

[fiery jewel]

I think they unironically made M11S the hardest fight both mechanics & DPS check wise. Which is funny.

I think P1 has somewhat of a DPS check but the mechanics are way too easy.

P2 has cool mechanics that feel good to do, but the mechanics including ID aren't hard enough to warrant the DPS check being free if you pass ID.

[fiery jewel]

This is true yeah.

[normal summit]

my group definitely had more trouble on 11 than on 12

[fiery jewel]

Fun tier though. I think the only true miss was 12 P1. Not really comparable to last tier because each fight was that good.

[remote gate]

hector since youre here I have one burning question, were you going to call the m10s bosses the blowjob brothers in your video but quickly corrected yourself?

[fiery jewel]

lol

[normal summit]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Clearly, you are hearing things.

[robust shoal]

wonder if I'll bother learning pf stuff or just stop when group finishes farming

[fiery jewel]

PF mechs are very simple at least for this tier. The easiest route on every fight. Only week 1 & 2 were the mechanics actually shit.

[remote gate]

yeah must've been the wind my bad

[robust shoal]

9 and 11 are pretty close/easy to swap to

10 isn't that much different I think, I'm just bad at it

12 is a whole new beast though

[fiery jewel]

I think M10S is probably the one you can optimize the most in a static compared to PF. But really just depends on getting AoE Uptime.

9 and 10 have a joke DPS check anyways so doesn't matter too much unless speedkill

[zealous meteor]

yeah i don't see why shiggy would think that
must have their mind in the gutter

[robust shoal]

one thing that annoyed me doing pf 11 was tether buster prio

[fiery jewel]

I think making M9S dps check like 20k below M11S was defintely a choice... That's how you funnel griefers into harder floors week 1.

[robust shoal]

"MT N/OT S" doesn't disambiguate E/W

and apparently people do like MT N/E prio

instead of just saying snake prio and being done with it

[fiery jewel]

Makes sense

[normal summit]

It's not MT N/ OT S.

It's MT takes the tether attached to North

OT takes the tether attached to South

It means you can just go stand on your meteor and pick up your tether pretty much instantly

[worn bluff]

either way the issue is that sometimes you're forced E or W, and then the next tether intended for the other tank's meteor spawns on top of you

[fiery jewel]

I hope next tier they at least try to make all of the floors have more similar dps checks. Difference between M9S and M11S which both enrage at a similar KT is like 20k which is insane. When it should've been like 12-15k I think Dancing Green was way closer to Brute Abominator last tier.

[worn bluff]

the default adjust should be "if there's a tether on the other tank already, go grab the other one" but it's not specified in any raidplan

[robust shoal]

oh

I hadn't considered target vs source

[normal summit]

it's made really easy if you treat it like the clone tether pickup in M12P2

[fiery jewel]

Glad for M11S people pushed the "fixed stampede" strat

[normal summit]

just run to your meteor and grab it there (and occasionally chase the dancer who stole it)

[worn bluff]

there is a situation that can happen where the LP stack is NW, MT is taking their tether W, and then a tether for the south meteor spawns from W again, on the MT

[fiery jewel]

It's just baby light rampant prio and everything is fixed. Highkey easier tbh.

[worn bluff]

you can snapshot the LP stack to run back N before the next tether spawns but it's a little annoying

[normal summit]

as someone who tanks this tier, I would be stood over on the new meteor NE before the next tether appeared

[worn bluff]

yeah i've seen people take the tether all the way through the hitbox but i'm not sure of the timing on not baiting the next meteor marker tbh

and if the other tank is taking their tether on the E side idk if that would spook them

[normal summit]

the timing fairly lenient, but you just don't run straight through middle. The tank tether finishes around 2s before the LP and meteor drop

leaving you tons of time to get across to the next meteor well in advance.

you only really get the tether shenanigans with a tank having the wrong tether if they just stand still and wait to see where the next tether spawns from

[remote gate]

has the dps check for 11s become
easier since tomestone weapons dropped

[worn bluff]

that's fair. i'm also used to staying max melee with the tether just in case someone is late running over to the line stack

[fiery jewel]

What are the chances you will make strategy videos for upcoming Criterion / next Ultimate Hector?

[low hearth]

Yes

[fiery jewel]

The last time M11S DPS check was extremely tight was like week 3 maybe

[low hearth]

It wasn’t that bad from the start if people aren’t noobing out

[fiery jewel]

I think week 3 / 4 is when people start getting book gear and stuff

[remote gate]

nice maybe ill stop procrastinating and actually do 10s

and then eventually 11s

[fiery jewel]

I think it is fair for a third floor savage but the current job balance made the dps check seem way harder

like people were actively playing summoner in pf, a horrible job that got hotfixed, week 1 & 2. So that's automatically 2-3k less dps than every other caster.

[remote gate]

im sorry i like pushing three buttons

[normal summit]

Possible but unlikely. I might do Criterion soon after release and definitely will be doing the new ultimate on release, but I tend to leave ulti guides to Tessan, and not sure I can be bothered with criterion

[fiery jewel]

I think summoner is fine now, just before the hotfix it was completely gapped by every other caster.

[fiery jewel]

10S is fun & doesn't have a tight dps check at all. 10S my favorite I think.

[low hearth]

mb

[fiery jewel]

10S kinda like M6S but without a extremely tight dps check add phase week 1 😭 .

[remote gate]

besides insane airtime are there any meme choke points in 10s

[fiery jewel]

arena split ya

arena split is the main wall

& insane air 2 because ppl starting savage do not understand swapping yet.

[remote gate]

thats when one team has to make sure their baited proteans aren't aimed at the other team right

[fiery jewel]

arena split is basically hard body check if one person dies it's likely another person will die and if a healer dies everyone is dying to LP stacks.

[remote gate]

oh cool its a landslide

[fiery jewel]

ye

think most people just savae lb3 until after arena split now

that's really the strat in pf none of the dps checks are hard enough to warrant immediately sending LB besides M11S maybe.

healer lb during Arena Split & Idyllic can save the run.

[random needle]

I keep forgetting that technically I'm the one who's supposed to LB3 on m10 and I usually forget until after the final alley oop combo

[fiery jewel]

honestly ppl might prefer you don't the boss dies extremely fast now

[low hearth]

U don’t really need it anymore

[remote gate]

random take: gaols isnt hard and the only hard part about uwu is your team fucking up the easiest things because they weren't paying attention

[fiery jewel]

M9S & M10S defintely had undertuned dps checks compared to how tight M11S was.

M10S should've been like 230k or something probs

[random needle]

This week, I cannot let myself fuck up alley oop combo again, it's so horrifically embarrassing to fuck up to that one part after doing the rest of the fight totally fine and I can't do it three weeks in a row

[normal summit]

Easy, just skip it instead.

[fiery jewel]

Best way to read it imo if you don't see the castbar when you get hit it says what you got hit by so read that.

[rapid whale]

shrimply kill it during the 2min

[random needle]

It's not the castbar, it's that I somehow keep forgetting to preposition myself for it and I'm in the completely wrong corner

It shouldn't happen, but it does and I can't explain why other than "my brain stops working after IA2"

[fiery jewel]

game gives you alot of time to find your clock spot after that

so you just have to use that time efficiently atp

[wind cypress]

for m11s meteors, if a portal hits you with a tether and its the other tanks, can pop sprint run it to them to pass it off then back to yours before it goes off, sometimes happens xD

[fiery jewel]

I think they give you atleast 15s after IA2 because 2min burst is right after that

[clear plume]

Until they do it for a melee trying to get a last gcd and go out after, and then they’re asked what the fuck they’re doing don’t they know the mech when it double baits

Because people don’t know you’re just choosing to not do the mechanic and expecting them to vs getting a gcd and moving out after

[random needle]

The time is absolutely there, I'm just stupid about that specific one

I can only assume I was mentally cooked last week and it didn't occur to me until it was too late, especially since I was on R1 (but I did the other light party mechanics fine, so...?)

It shouldn't happen again this week, and if it does I might actually have to waterboard myself

[clear plume]

Insane to try and blame ranged people for it when your argument literally only makes sense if every ranged player assumes melee players are so brainrotted for uptime in pf that you can’t expect them to leave the boss for half a second and they won’t even try

[rapid whale]

As a ranged player mb I'm new

[clear plume]

Just do the fucking mech with the given prio instead of expecting princess treatment and getting mad when you aren’t

Join a parse group if you want ranged that will give a shit about your half a gcd of uptime on god

[jolly flume]

damn

I missed content

😔

[steep narwhal]

[finite plank]

depends on region, i have no clue what this has been about besides it being recollection 2

[jolly flume]

ranged didn't adjust for my uptime outside of what the raidplan demands from me

grrr

[finite plank]

the strat i do does not have anyone lose uptime besides being the defam person

[jolly flume]

the strat I do is not giving a fuck about your uptime because the fight's check was free without double lb3 in 773 ilvl

[finite plank]

is this another case of m7s seeds

[jolly flume]

locked was a good strat

expecting your pf random playing a wheelchair job to adjust for you is not a good strat

[finite plank]

i dont know what the strat is for this incident to occur but there should be no downtime at all for recollection 2

besides defam

[normal summit]

Standard DN strat has defams potentially lose uptime again to bait netherwrath far

[jolly flume]

in dn the baiter for far may have to step out between gcds

[clear plume]

Ye

[jolly flume]

so you do exactly that, roll your gcd and step out

[finite plank]

isn't max melee sufficient

[jolly flume]

god forbid you throw one ranged attack if even that

[clear plume]

Not throw a hissyfit about the smn not adjusting for you on the fly

[finite plank]

where the hell is the party standing?

[clear plume]

If the people at wall are placed right but like

[jolly flume]

at the wall behind the boss

[clear plume]

If boss is off at all it’s not safe

[normal summit]

though you can greed it correctly and disengage, though with the chance of being late and causing the bates to go wrong

[finite plank]

i'd just max melee regardless while keeping in mind of clone defams

[normal summit]

the wall players on the sides are usually already max melee. Not going further than max melee makes it very likely a netherwrath lands on cleave baiters and you wipe

[clear plume]

Ye, it’s a severe case of the half a gcd isn’t worth it

Especially because you already got defamation if you are in this spot you’re not getting a gold parse

[rapid whale]

nuh uh

ill just crit harder

[finite plank]

mine involves standing on the arrow or the boss circle of the boss, near far slightly in and out with a lot of leeway

[jolly flume]

yknow what

I think we should go back to endwalker hitboxes

this is too hard

[finite plank]

to add, there's a lot of time to look at near/far for the jobless bums to see what it is

i have no clue what's going on to need peeling off

[rapid whale]

the monkey's paw curls and now mechanics are 10x as hard to make up for the ease of uptime

[clear plume]

Cool that’s not the strat he’s joining and getting mad about

[jolly flume]

if only

we had such bangers as

[finite plank]

then i'd get mad at the ridiculous strat next

[jolly flume]

divisive overruling

[finite plank]

memories of m7s show up again

and people fought for how stupid the seed strat was till it was changed in week 3

[normal summit]

tbf, everyone hated Bili Bili

they just didn't know any other better strats

[jolly flume]

there just wasn't a good seed strat

until someone came up with locked

[normal summit]

I mean... Locked was around from week 1

[stray forge]

why r we talking about bili bili

[normal summit]

It was what my group used to clear.

[stray forge]

is it bc everyone is in their chinese era

[jolly flume]

idk I never saw it anywhere until after well after we cleared

I didn't look around too much tbf but

[clear plume]

I didn’t see it until week 2 either

[jolly flume]

it also didn't really matter at the time

check was not hard

[clear plume]

And I was looking

[normal summit]

Locked didn't catch on until after I put it in my guide; I don't think it's presumptuous to say I popularised it.

[jolly flume]

the shit we did was objectively pretty awful though

it was just good enough so we didn't care at the time

[finite plank]

i saw it during week 1 and it was easy because no one needed to fuck off away from the boss and instead be on the hitbox during prog but everyone else kept sharing between 2 raidplans ongoing

which then led to a fuckass spiral into week 2 failing dps check in mana

[jolly flume]

well I mean

[finite plank]

i hated that fucking period

[jolly flume]

I think we actually talked about this before once

[finite plank]

we have

[jolly flume]

lol

[finite plank]

and i remember kou being involved in a way

[rapid whale]

Billy was beautiful the first time I saw it

Then I got cursed pattern and dated it

[finite plank]

either way, still shit when there's a solution that has so much more leeway and less risk

[clear plume]

Gz on the gf

[jolly flume]

I vetoed bili the instant I saw it because there is no way I am sitting 50y from half my party in a corner as the shield healer during that

[echo ibex]

=w=

Ranged people are so funny

[echo ibex]

Only a person like you has the power to change what's standard in PF, been saying it forever

It's hard to impossible to do it either way, saw plenty of EU pfs in early weeks announcing and recommending banana codex but it was in bane

[worn bluff]

in vain?

[echo ibex]

That

[worn bluff]

i was trying to figure it out lol

[robust shoal]

if strat is good it's possible to evangelize it but hard

[echo ibex]

It's a letter...

[robust shoal]

I posted an image of my group doing quad moonlight on reddit and someone saw it and advertised it in pf

[worn bluff]

time to make the cats diamond dust dodge PF standard

[jolly flume]

for every good strat there's another 3 that people wanna swap to for no good reason

never forget fuss-free fof

[worn bluff]

"fuss-free"

looks inside: not actually fuss-free

[finite plank]

fountain of fire?

[jolly flume]

fall of faith

[robust shoal]

man I hate PF diamond dust

[finite plank]

what's fall of faith

[jolly flume]

the non rel north one?

I wanted to do relative north in static but at the end of the day it was like

whatever

we ended up doing colors and it was easy anyways

[worn bluff]

i mean the one where you slide back and forth

[jolly flume]

8 slides or mark of mortality

[robust shoal]

crazy to me that PF did standard markers instead of DSR markers in FRU all for one mechanic that was easier with DSR markers anyway

[jolly flume]

ok yeah that one got me

[robust shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249133028244979805/1312895503796535336/getreal.gif

[jolly flume]

just do letter/number

color opposite is like

so much easier to read apoc on too

[worn bluff]

i'm gonna reprog on DRK. time to actually have responsibility for the 2nd half of the fight

[robust shoal]

yeah

[jolly flume]

especially if you have to flex

who in their right mind wants to think ok I'm on 1/3 baiting A/C

when you could just

red safe

bait yellow

[worn bluff]

also making MT/OT left/right inside of center/offset for apoc

[jolly flume]

that's another crime

make the drk players feel alive I guess

[finite plank]

i appreciate how g8 chose a vamp stomp strat that is cardinal based and the "all 4 at once, but watch out" method of entry that i found funny to pvp/do it normally with

[jolly flume]

everyone gapclose vamp stomp and let the server decide who wins

doesn't get more fair than that

[worn bluff]

the melee uptime version isn't even that obscure to figure out

there are 2 clear melee range safespots

and the vulns only last like 2s

it's basically begging for staggered partners

[robust shoal]

that's what my static does

[jolly flume]

I think there's something I saw where tanks just go a tiny bit behind the melees and eat the first explosion then roll gcd and step out

[worn bluff]

yeah i remember asking if it's doable in week 1

but everyone had already settled on the PF way

i guess because it took most people less than a lockout to clear there wasn't time to think about it

[finite plank]

yeah, it was an option i noticed, doesn't work for the melee in week 1 because it actually hurts but for tanks it was doable but eh.... ended up as just peel off as late as possible at this point

[jolly flume]

https://raidplan.io/plan/fhHUhv4mWFCxhNeJ#5

another one

[finite plank]

someone pull up elmo's revenge again

[trim frost]

surely nothing will go wrong

[terse zodiac]

😭 just had a sage kept jumping off the map every time 1 melee died to vamp stomp and blamed me somehow

joining groups to help people clear has gotten so bad lately its insane, some of these groups would struggle clearing a dungeon

[finite plank]

hell in a cell?

dungeon mentioned

[worn bluff]

show them this if they think a melee dying once risks the clear

[jolly flume]

this m9s dps check is no joke

[terse zodiac]

its not risking the clear i guarantee they just want their funny number and dont want to raise

[jolly flume]

thats funny

I got a 99 two weeks ago with one swift raise and one hard raise

[terse zodiac]

thats insane lol

[finite plank]

pf diff

[jolly flume]

just broil harder

[worn bluff]

unless they want rank 1 they can get a good number in M9 just by breathing

[jolly flume]

breathing is kinda hard

:(

[terse zodiac]

they have decent numbers thats why i'm pretty confident they were just jumping for that

[finite plank]

i have asthma

[worn bluff]

ngl after all this time i didn't know "book run" meant parse run

until i joined one thinking i was helping people and then people wanted to reset because of deaths

and i was like wait...

[steep narwhal]

it doesn't

[jolly flume]

sometimes it is just an innocuous c4someone

[steep narwhal]

but ppl treat it like parse run

[jolly flume]

but a lot of parsers will join them especially this tier when you want sandbags for 4/5 fights

[terse zodiac]

the worst of the worst parse goblins treat them as such

[worn bluff]

people kept asking for reset and got mad that people weren't resetting

[steep narwhal]

yeah they're js being cringe

book run means ur trying to clear for a book

[worn bluff]

"kind of rude to not reset"
"yeah but the rest of us could get good number so just let it play out"

man i thought someone needed a book

[jolly flume]

some people truly are just more interested in playing fflogs than ffxiv

[terse zodiac]

my lifes worth is based on a number on a website you dont understand

[steep narwhal]

why r u editing solar squirrels

[finite plank]

i do not know if it's torture people inflict themselves to actually want good medians

[jolly flume]

oh

vscode is probably still open on my laptop

[trim frost]

nice web app bro

[jolly flume]

me when the professor says I have to write raw html

and css

no libraries

[trim frost]

brother eugh

[zealous meteor]

based

[wind cypress]

clean fast code without the bloat, sounds good

[zealous meteor]

clean
lmao

[steep narwhal]

nice letters

[jolly flume]

clean

[zealous meteor]

fast
lmao

[jolly flume]

lmao

[worn bluff]

i like personal improvement but i know no one is going to look at my fflogs page or care

[steep narwhal]

ur speaking there

[zealous meteor]

no bloat
yeah

[steep narwhal]

i will

[worn bluff]

no

[wind cypress]

I mean your dev time will suck but..

[worn bluff]

[jolly flume]

give me my tailwind back

[trim frost]

every element getting a different style

[steep narwhal]

this is why i'm not in computer science

this is too much thinking

too much letters

[jolly flume]

ok krebs cycle

[wind cypress]

too many people computer science ff14

[quick verge]

is that like mr krabs

[steep narwhal]

thts kinda fun tho

[jolly flume]

I like money

[quick verge]

why are you in comp sci then

[steep narwhal]

LMAOOO

[quick verge]

my bad twin

i meant

[zealous meteor]

the crab cycle
there is only one step
and it IS crab

[jolly flume]

comp sci makes money

[quick verge]

you should've been born into a wealthy family

[jolly flume]

when you can get a job

which is not right now

[steep narwhal]

u ask tenyu for referrals

[zealous meteor]

lol. lmao.

[jolly flume]

not in europe

you guys are fake

[zealous meteor]

no i mean that the entire sector is exploding

:)

[jolly flume]

well yeah there's that

[versed kayak]

How does this even happen, M7S if thats relevant

[wind cypress]

ai = the calculator, coding = the math - that's what it's turning into

[steep narwhal]

best player known to mankind

[jolly flume]

if your gcd roll extends into time that the boss is untargetable

ie when he smashes the first platform if you roll a gcd last second

or any of the platforms really

[steep narwhal]

they're js the most elite player out there

[wind cypress]

I like, can we beat the boss? cool lets kill it and get on with the game but some peeps like to be, bro I got 99 on fflogs today

[quick verge]

god forbid people have hobbies

[versed kayak]

ahh

[finite plank]

never hadd 100.20% uptime before, knowledge lacking

[jolly flume]

I had like 100.40 in TOP once

[worn bluff]

i also noticed if you click the xiva link from tomestone it sometimes shows different uptime vs pasting the log link to xiva

idk why

[versed kayak]

meanwhile fflogs reports it as 93% active, I still don't know why it does that

It can show downtime so I'd hope it counts that

[jolly flume]

I actually dunno how fflogs calculates active%

I remember they removed downtime from calculations for some of the fights last tier though

bc they did a few recalculations of the rankings in early weeks

[wind cypress]

I showed my friend my 99 parse on lindwurm using 780 ilevel gear and 2k tenacity not even deeps specced, maybe it's broken 🤣

[jolly flume]

or maybe that was just the adds pad idr

[quick verge]

dont look at active%

[rapid whale]

Clear pull or prog pull

God crit runs exist

[versed kayak]

For M6S xiva shows 99.97% and fflogs shows 99.71%
For M7S xiva shows 100.20% and fflogs shows 93.24%

[daring pine]

hello endgame loungers

[versed kayak]

imma trust xiva

[rapid whale]

How goes the prog

[jolly flume]

xiva explicitly filters for downtime

[trim frost]

fflogs probably not taking into account the forced downtime

[daring pine]

i hate prog i hate pf i want to kill everybody

fuck melee players

[rapid whale]

Gg

[valid solar]

Try not to call them subhuman this time

[trim frost]

wait i have a thing hold on

[daring pine]

i’ll call them worse

[wind cypress]

cleared but it wasn't savage, just reg - still funny though

[valid solar]

[daring pine]

society if melee dps were in cages like a zoo

[wind cypress]

I need that made into a poster

[mossy eagle]

My b

[daring pine]

i’ll do this when i get home

[versed kayak]

noone uploads normal logs so that'd be why

[low hearth]

mb

[valid solar]

Does the party pot timing thing actually matter though

[trim frost]

matters for the hold or not

[daring pine]

whats up with the 780 ilvl thing

[jolly flume]

the entire purpose of the 10:30 hold is to align with pots

[mossy eagle]

People trying to ilvl their way to good party dps

[jolly flume]

if half the party doesn't do that then you just misaligned half your buffs

[wind cypress]

what's more important, lining pots up with your burst windows, or lining pot sup with the groups burst windows?

[trim frost]

both

?

[jolly flume]

I mean...that's the same thing

[quick verge]

fuck is u saying bruh

😭

[terse zodiac]

its not the same thing

[trim frost]

if ur bursting outside party buff window then gg to ur damage brah

[jolly flume]

if you get an extra usage of a pot by using one outside of 2s then you do it

but that's just a free use

[mossy eagle]

10:30 is when everyone should be potting and bursting

[jolly flume]

you're still trying to pot as many 2s as you can

[mossy eagle]

It's not a one or the other deal

[wind cypress]

like if you hold for party, do you miss out on extra rotations?

[mossy eagle]

Depends on kill time

[terse zodiac]

for m11s it is because its a 3 pot fight but for like m12s p2 it doesn't matter if half the party does 0 6 and other half does 2 8

[mossy eagle]

But for M11S it's no loss to hold 30 seconds at the end

[jolly flume]

your burst window and the group's burst window is the same 99% of the time

there is no holding for party

I can think of one fight I've done ever where there was intentional buff misalignment

[wind cypress]

there was some drama about dancer making the group hold or something for parses but yeah I thought they lined up fine

[jolly flume]

that's sandbagging

that's not the same

[trim frost]

0/6/10:30 is only for if you're not aiming to kill quickly since enrage is something like 11:07

0/5/10 is if you're going for a speedier kill because there's no point holding for 10:30 if boss is going to be dead by 10:30

[finite plank]

pots are a personal buff, you can choose to use it on a different 2m assuming it's still the same buff alignment

[trim frost]

someone need to parsemonkey me because my fastest is 10:45 and i wanna cry

[jolly flume]

when you sandbag you intentionally deal little to no damage outside of the 2 minute window to achieve a more favorable killtime for the rest of the group

[mossy eagle]

Degen behavior imo

[finite plank]

that's why some jobs are capable of doing 0/5/10 and some jobs do 2/8 (mostly gauge jobs)

[versed kayak]

If you mean rin then the "drama" was them ignoring their parting holding burst and just doing it anyway

[finite plank]

2/8 usually being intended for very short kill times

[versed kayak]

so their burst was completely out misaligned with everyones elses

I think it was rin anyway

[wind cypress]

yeah

[daring pine]

@trim frost how my pfs look like

[jolly flume]

I dont know if 2/8 is ever actually preferred over 0/5/10 providing that you can manage your gauge well to make the 5 not dogshit potency

[mossy eagle]

Yeah that's just them being dumb

[terse zodiac]

it was a bard getting bis and leaving the static because they didn't want to burst at 10:30

[mossy eagle]

What's enrage on M12SP2

[jolly flume]

9:17 or something

idr

[finite plank]

vpr's usually in this scenario

[trim frost]

something like that yeah

[mossy eagle]

Gotcha just curious

[quick verge]

:17 sounds too long

[jolly flume]

14?

it's 9:1x

[trim frost]

i remember it being enough for odd minute if you first gcd

just like p1

[mossy eagle]

I was like "wait am I supposed to use 3 pots there?"

[jolly flume]

our first kill was 9:11 and about 3/4th through the castbar now that I think about it

so it's probably closer to 13 or 14

[trim frost]

whm extraordinaire chiyo will you speedprog me

[quick verge]

maybe not

[jolly flume]

erm I have reclears tonight I think

monday night reclears 🥀

[finite plank]

p12s p1 is... 6:30 or faster in speedkills at this rate

[versed kayak]

wish I could join so at least one melee isnt griefing

[trim frost]

the fuck

[jolly flume]

our schedule is kinda wack rn

[worn bluff]

can't believe you excluded the 3 people who play RPR

[jolly flume]

we split on thursday and monday

[finite plank]

sry, forgot about double enshroud

[quick verge]

WE all love rpr

might be the best melee

[boreal pumice]

cooly that you

[mossy eagle]

I just cast harpe for the entire fight

[jolly flume]

who's we

[daring pine]

but siti, if you were there i would be distracted by your fluffy soft ears

[quick verge]

everyone who reads this message

[jolly flume]

I can't read

[versed kayak]

then you'd be the one griefing! :D

[worn bluff]

forward this message to 5 people you know or you will be forced to play rpr

[jolly flume]

NOOOOOOOO

[daring pine]

but bunny!

must pet..

[wind cypress]

I don't know much about them reapers, except they use farm weapons and twirl it around a lot

[trim frost]

okay

[boreal pumice]

ah yes "reapers"

[jolly flume]

the juiciest tracking experience

[daring pine]

Me want it!

[jolly flume]

icant

[versed kayak]

It'd be the lizzer but yeah!

[jolly flume]

[daring pine]

siti we should raid together next expac

[wind cypress]

we get beast masters in an upcoming expansion, wonder if we can customize them like pokemon and store them in spheres

[daring pine]

isnt beastmaster x.5 or whatever

[versed kayak]

would be fun! alas, I gotta stay blind for my static

[boreal pumice]

you use jars

[versed kayak]

Beastmaster is DT yeah

[wind cypress]

that works, poke a hole in the lid or something

[versed kayak]

Limited Job stuff is usually x.45 and x.5

[daring pine]

we can do it after you go in with static

!!

[boreal pumice]

thats how ff5 does it you even get a better jar if you feed a guy a frog whos trapped in a well

[wind cypress]

nice, going to be fun 😄

[jolly flume]

my beloved criterion is coming soon...

they mutilated it but it's still criterion...

[boreal pumice]

chiyo going to marioshine criterion

[daring pine]

love coming home from work just to torture myself some more in pf

[jolly flume]

[zealous meteor]

stop torturing yourself

[jolly flume]

why are you baklava now

you are the most multipurpose potato to have ever root vegetabled

[zealous meteor]

blame @round hazel

[echo ibex]

West-East, duh

Please logs I need this

My parses kinda purple

[low hearth]

yo we see the pink bro

🙄

[echo ibex]

I don't even chase pinks nowadays i'm going for oranges

But parsing phase 1 kinda sucks

[versed kayak]

We usually wait until the tier unlocks since we only do 6 hours a week so doing reclears would be annoying (and we don't use the gear anyway) :/
The PF quality that late is...something, made me play GW2 instead when I pf-ed LHW

[daring pine]

aah i see

boop @versed kayak

are you free sitibun?

[rapid whale]

i feel u

[quick verge]

nuh uh just get a 6:25

[stray forge]

just play dps vro

[fiery jewel]

never even for the worst 2min burst jobs only time it comes close is Chaotic maybe since passive +20% dmg buff

[low hearth]

bro mfs keep dying to ultimate predation rocks

https://klipy.com/gifs/patrick-mouth-1

[robust shoal]

can't wait til they nerf salted earth and 2min pot becomes good for drk

[stray forge]

its been months and I still haven't finished my aetherwell

[robust shoal]

same

I'm like one set of roulettes away

[valid solar]

lets do it right now

[robust shoal]

I need to get to the next step so I can get paste from reclears

[stray forge]

damn ur ahead of me

with how much arcanite I have stored up I can craft a thunderfury

[rapid whale]

portrait diff

[robust shoal]

maybe I'll eat some paste in OC

[jolly flume]

yeah idk, I only play rdm and mch among the gauge jobs and both of those can put basically everything into an odd minute pot that they would put into an even minute pot usually besides the obvious 2m cds so it's a pretty big gain

[robust shoal]

ik it's slow there but I also need to level pjobs and farm silver

[stray forge]

my portraits are mid

[robust shoal]

vpr is the same

[fiery jewel]

MCH might be an exception because the job is actually a hybrid compared to RDM, RPR, VPR.

but idk I only test RPR & VPR even on those jobs just skipping a pot is big loss with full raidbuff comp & dp

[jolly flume]

you can still land five tools and 100/100 gauge in a 5m pot in full uptime, the only thing you miss is fmf and wildfire which is admittedly kinda big but that full pot is still way more potency than +40 on queen and an extra hypercharge in opener

[fiery jewel]

MCH is actually cool because it's the only gauge job that has other stuff going for it besides RDM kinda with the short ogcds

[visual geyser]

Mch and cool?

In the same sentence?

[valid solar]

the best gauge job is reaper

[jolly flume]

it's still my favorite job to actually play, I'd just be griefing if I ever brought it to prog lol

[terse zodiac]

mch is cool its just undertuned

[valid solar]

[fiery jewel]

VPR is literally just reawaken, RPR red gauge just isn't prevalent enough should be more like SAM.

[terse zodiac]

perpetually

[visual geyser]

No trust

Another 10 potency to gcds will fix

[stray forge]

that's all i got

[fiery jewel]

Just no way to fix the job without reworks because it's horrible in downtime also.

[jolly flume]

the year is 2037. wildfire still cannot crit or dhit.

[remote gate]

is this your wol

[visual geyser]

Impossible

I should resub

Criterion next week

Haven’t even finished relic

[terse zodiac]

low key i bet something in how they balance it is affected by all the guarateed dh crits and tahts why they keep it low

[fiery jewel]

If Wildfire was AoE would be kinda cool

[versed kayak]

playing nightreign with people sorryyy

[visual geyser]

Mch needs better aoe

It’s a joke

Like

[jolly flume]

the job has like the least guaranteed crits of any job with guaranteed crusts

[fiery jewel]

MCH AoE is probably the best part about it potency wise which is the sad thing

[visual geyser]

How does it not have aoe parity

[jolly flume]

you have three autocrits per 2m

[fiery jewel]

Like MCH does cook in Pilgrims

[remote gate]

give the mandatory mnk rework to mch instead

[wind cypress]

is a machinist raw dps higher than a bard + their group contribution?

[tulip anvil]

wildfire not being an aoe is the dumbest thing

[jolly flume]

hell no

[fiery jewel]

Wildfire should be AoE explosion but singletarget application probs

[terse zodiac]

mch? you have way more than 3 no?

[jolly flume]

two reassembles every 120 (technically 110 but whatever) and an fmf

[fiery jewel]

5y explosion from the target you put the initial debuff on.

[stray forge]

Maybe

[terse zodiac]

chainsaw and its followup

[stray forge]

I do not confirm nor deny

[jolly flume]

those don't auto crit

[fiery jewel]

They've actually been making good AoE changes the whole expansion so there is hope.

AoE before 7.1 was horrible

[remote gate]

if it is shes pretty and a solid 9/10

[fiery jewel]

This expansion the most notable thing they've done balance wise is make cleave very important & strong.

Shifting away from just pure AoE moves.

[jolly flume]

man I remember in fru p5 I swapped mch to brd after first clear and gained like 2k dps

[stray forge]

[terse zodiac]

eh so only with reassemble? i dont play it much obviously

[jolly flume]

yea

[fiery jewel]

MCH & VPR will never be good downtime the jobs are just not built for it at all.

[remote gate]

i watched a friend prog fru and ultimate relative looks like hell to learn

[jolly flume]

that's a full uptime phase with gauge smuggle and it STILL sucked

[fiery jewel]

Unless they add a downtime gimmick which idk if it's possible

[low hearth]

theres sims for the entire fight

[jolly flume]

I have a literal rank 4 log that's 1.3k dps lower than a random 97 I got on bard

[fiery jewel]

Interested to see what next Ultimate is like because VPR & MCH are horrible in downtime so they will prob either make way less downtime or just gigabuff those jobs.

[jolly flume]

that job is just so bricked

[wind cypress]

from my experience playing a machinist, it's good for like 30 seconds then you're just flipping and shooting every once in awhile

[worn bluff]

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[stray forge]

Mch downtime gimmick - literally building a cannon which auto shoots the boss for 20 seconds

Takes 8 seconds to cast :^)

[fiery jewel]

There's no way you release downtime heavy ultimate with how MCH & VPR are rn. Especially if tight dps checks.

The good players will clear obv, but PF will start locking out the jobs.

[jolly flume]

usually you have opportunities to build resources in an easy phase for any check that's actually hard

the numbers aren't exactly good overall but

at least they can kinda do the job

natty hold

[fiery jewel]

Because even compared to RPR yeah VPR builds more gauge but it requires full uptime to do it.

[grand mesa]

look at debuff > go to spot

it's not hard when u break it down

[fiery jewel]

RPR has gluttony which is 20 blue gauge in 2 gcds so it actually benefits from downtime somewhat compared to those jobs.

RDM burst is just gigacracked so ye

[random needle]

MCH should be able to build heat in downtime using Flamethrower

[fiery jewel]

true

[wind cypress]

my friend played machinist for this raid and is taking a break, said healers wouldn't heal him to full and without a personal shield (not just the debuff) he'd blow up to raidwides

[remote gate]

thats the thing its breaking it down and doing it along with seven other people trying to do the same thing

[grand mesa]

you ignore the 7 other people

[fiery jewel]

idc if it fits the job or not anymore just cook up something for 7.5

😹

[jolly flume]

UR is a personal mechanic

[grand mesa]

except for the persony ou maybe have to flex for

if you understand it

congrats

you know the mechanic

[fiery jewel]

also the VPR 7.4 nerf maybe the most unnecessary change the whole expac.

[remote gate]

huh olay

[grand mesa]

you basically

solve the mechanic in your lane the entire time

and where ur lane is depends on what debuff you have from the start

[low hearth]

why do these 8 clear grey andys join merc c41s OMG

[fiery jewel]

UR if someone dies it's prob a wipe but the mech itself is not that bad.

[jolly flume]

god bless father pfradar

[grand mesa]

the only people who ever have to look at other people are the people responsible for flexing to another side if you and your "partner" have the same debuff

[fiery jewel]

P3 in FRU is like if someone dies it's prob a wipe but neither of the mechs are super scary that you should be dying alot.

[grand mesa]

but even then

once you flex

you stay in that new lane and resolve

[fiery jewel]

The only mech where someone is expected to die in PF is CT & that's recoverable

[jolly flume]

the best fru kills are 3x apoc mark of mortality into best p4 killtime you've ever seen true combo

[fiery jewel]

Does P4 always die after morn afah?

[jolly flume]

in a good party they're 0.1 during the akh afah lol

[worn bluff]

p4 rotation: mash everything you can after CT before the bosses hit 0%

[grand mesa]

i'm just building gauge there

[jolly flume]

double down first gcd baby

[fiery jewel]

ye but can they die like right after CT or does it go through akh morn into akh afah before becoming untargetable

idk actually

[daring pine]

pat pat

[remote gate]

p4 is when ryne is trapped in the crystal or is that p3

[daring pine]

val help

[jolly flume]

I don't think they can skip the second akh casts

[grand mesa]

they get gated at 0.1

[fiery jewel]

then most jobs should be chilling

[grand mesa]

i'm fairly sure

you HAVE to do CT

[worn bluff]

i would mess it up and ghost it before they are targetable

[fiery jewel]

ye that's the good thing about FRU

[worn bluff]

or whiff it

[grand mesa]

gg

[fiery jewel]

sure the checks are easy but atleast you can't skip the actual mechanics

[grand mesa]

time to save it for a year

[jolly flume]

years of downtime standard step prepared me for this

[fiery jewel]

they should design future fights like that also

skipping mechs is just bad in an ultimate

unless it's like that p1 tower who give a shit

[jolly flume]

tbf you can't really skip anything relevant in top or dsr

yet

[fiery jewel]

ye

[jolly flume]

maybe monitors soon

we're getting close 💀

[grand mesa]

all you can do is kill earlier and make the next phase ass for everyone

[random needle]

Skipping broad swing 🥱

[remote gate]

i hope dsr never ages to where you skip things

[fiery jewel]

pretty much

I understand why P1 & P5 are the only ones you can actually kill though since you aren't actually killing the bosses in p2-p4

I think that's the reason why they did it not even balance lol

[jolly flume]

my favorite genre of fru wipe is fast p1 into people dying to mirror mirror because they were trying to greed their 2s

[grand mesa]

mb

[jolly flume]

gestures vaguely at dancers

[clear plume]

thats why you just play with mchs frfr

[worn bluff]

i remember early prog when healers had nothing up for DD if you killed P1 quickly

[fiery jewel]

Honestly I do think MCH should at least be better than DNC.

[worn bluff]

one party the healers kept asking to hold and the party kept killing fast until the healer just typed "i hate you all"

[grand mesa]

i think mch is fine where it is atm

[jolly flume]

you don't really need anything for dd tbf

[fiery jewel]

DNC has way too high of a playrate to be so strong

[jolly flume]

well maybe scholar needs some help

[grand mesa]

it's only just below the 2 prange in CDPS

[jolly flume]

every other healer can get by rawdogging it though

[grand mesa]

lucky for you, most dnc players are bad at the game

[fiery jewel]

cDPS affects even PF though that's what ppl don't understand

more than half the dps jobs have raidbuffs atp

it's rare you see people actually running it down with like VPR SAM BLM MCH in pf

[clear plume]

sad to see cooly made an alt

[worn bluff]

in reprogging as DRK i vaguely remember P2 opener being annoying if P1 died too fast

[grand mesa]

as an astro

i call bullshit

the amount of blm mch parties ive seen this tier

anyways

[jolly flume]

if I see blm mch im transposing white mage

[grand mesa]

the medians are very tight knit atp

brd dnc cap out higher but that's to be expected

[fiery jewel]

BLM can use slight buff since RDM outperforming it is slightly ridiculous

[random needle]

Sorg.y

[grand mesa]

blm does not need a buff

[fiery jewel]

BLM good week 1 tho I think?

[terse zodiac]

blm will get a burst window next expansion

[jolly flume]

mch should just actually get to feed buffs

[grand mesa]

It's called saving 4 xeno for rb

[jolly flume]

the top end is so low because it has literally nothing that scales with good comps