finite plank
typically, nin can feint pretty much anything, so i'd do the start, somewhere on cd during weapons but not for dance of domination, the other melee feints that
another feint in wind weapons in the middle
the raw stack without a meteor for the party
the raidwide before crown of arcadia after the steel chair
two/fourway
trim frost
oh yeah i think i do hold it for raidwide but i should probably just use it to catch both
thin fox
basically what i do as drk is i dash in
wait a sec
hit missionary
people will generally be close enough for it to hit
trim frost
i haven’t even been dashing in because i’m scared of being too close for whatever reason
grand mesa
just be max melee
if the 4 ppl baiting 4way arent in hitbox its their problem
not urs
alpine plover
speaking of
trim frost
i guess i could make do but i like to play it safe
thin fox
you have so much time
thin fox
fixed?
trim frost
i do not want to be culpable for a wipe at the 9 minute 30 second mark
thin fox
yes
grand mesa
unfortunately
alpine plover
"ranged goes in the middle of the tower to give melee uptime" strat?
grand mesa
yes
thin fox
most pfs do fixed now
alpine plover
is that how it's called?
thin fox
yes
alpine plover
isee
thin fox
its called that because the four/twoway baits are in fixed positions
alpine plover
makes sense
thin fox
melees sw/se, north baiter nw, south baiter ne
then h1 > h2 > r1 > r2 prio n/cw
for towers
thin fox
i don't mind doing it as r2 but i imagine as r1 or h2 its really annoying
alpine plover
pf when a strat with more uptime and more complicated stuff appears
adopts it asap
finite plank
jp has totan, it is divided as g8 seem to have chosen the downtime version
grand mesa
I love giving my melees 2 more gcds and wiping more because of it!!!
finite plank
it's g1 n cw and g2 n ccw
thin fox
i think the main benefit for pf isn't the uptime its the fixed baits for four/twoway because ppl just could not eyes it
grand mesa
i don't mind doing it as r2 but i imagine as r1 or h2 its really annoying
tbh
its not hard
but i also have no faith in pf
my main issue is
finite plank
it's g1 n cw and g2 n ccw
prevents melee from taking tether and have uptime
grand mesa
if ur not prey bait as healer
ure guaranteed to move out for tether
which means you can't be mid to mit if shit goes south
sleek moon
we run double caster and that stat becomes even safer
no weird priority system
the fake melee always gets one of the tether and one of the r/h gets the other
sleek moon
just block the 2nd melee slot lmao
grand mesa
isnt fake melee chill
sleek moon
it is
grand mesa
ah
sleek moon
scythe has so little movement for mlee spots
sleek moon
good for casters
stray forge
i hate being g1 for weapons
Simply go counter clockwise
thin fox
i will say
my favourite fake melee thing in m11
is actually meteors lol
i have to send so much more shit in the caster spot for meteors
because i need to be able to go in while dodging the aoe and then also come back out
whereas fake melee i can slide cast the whole mechanic
grand mesa
you don't have to do much, yeah
finite plank
we have a dumb strat for meteors in jp
finite plank
we start building on the very outside first
thin fox
doesnt jp do the same thing except its se/ne instead of nw/ne
finite plank
so healers go out
sleek moon
ive always wondered why did the pf strat ended up being party baits meteors north though
zero positionals for the entire mechanic
trim frost
awesome artwork time for them to announce literally nothing of value
finite plank
so a tank WILL lose uptime because the tether WILL be on the outermost meteor
grand mesa
i think the main benefit for pf isn't the uptime its the fixed baits for four/tw...
also, you can have fixed baits without forcing ranged to flex 
i hate when ppl use it to justify why that strat is good tbh
finite plank
instead of it starting on boss range first
stray forge
That is so pepega
trim frost
narukami front and center tho that’s my goat
thin fox
every time the boss does the line stack he faces the party so it doesnt matter where you position the boss hes gonna keep turning to face the party
you can just burn true north tbh because its not like youll need it for split
alpine plover
so one second
sleek moon
got a link?
https://www.youtube.com/@nukemarugames all of them are here if you want to see the other fights
grand mesa
ty
sleek moon
i think jp mostly uses nukemaru?
finite plank
doesnt jp do the same thing except its se/ne instead of nw/ne
melees are last the place the building blocks
sleek moon
nukemaru or game8
grand mesa
melees are last the place the building blocks
do they place them close
alpine plover
whereas fake melee i can slide cast the whole mechanic
the melee spot position is better for casters than the caster position?
thin fox
yes
finite plank
we place them on the L corner nearest to the boss so uptime is possible when waiting for explosion
alpine plover
finite plank
we use the corner tiles on the ground
finite plank
supposedly
sleek moon
casters have to dodge the aoe from the healer meteor
finite plank
this makes the third hit need less mit because the third player can move in time to take the stack
as having the last third one be at the very corner, it was difficult for them to reach the stack
thin fox
wait so the close meteor moves into the stack?
finite plank
not that it hurted that much i think
thin fox
that sounds kinda monka for the tanks
beep beep coming through please dont have a tether in my way
grand mesa
theres probably
finite plank
beep beep coming through please dont have a tether in my way
tethers will spawn on the meteors
grand mesa
an unspoken "if u grab a tether from a tank ur a dumbass" rule
finite plank
not on players unless someone crossed the meteor
alpine plover
the problem is if my cotank steals my tether
grand mesa
tanks already have the tethers by the time the 3rd meteor drops
finite plank
so, the very first tether will have a tank be fucked for uptime to be guaranteed to take a far tether
alpine plover
i wonder if i can convince my group to do this crazy jp strat
i'll probably be crucified tho
thin fox
i might try go into m12 later on caster
grand mesa
tho
finite plank
but im very certain there is no chance of conflict if you follow that rule
between the tether for tanks
grand mesa
idt ive ever had issues with mit in meteors
shield heal has 2min mit for first two stacks and 10% for last two
and it'll come back up for the knockup pre 2min
finite plank
grand mesa
LMAO
finite plank
^tf plan, not g8
alpine plover
awk
thin fox
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420652632454070304/1461171564652269609/pe...
thats gotta be the only time t his has ever happened in all of ff14
wtf 
tough gorge
dapper zealot
lmao wtf
sick dirge
nice
trim frost
i genuinely lose so much uptime from people running away with the tank tether
those who remain...
zealous meteor
????
loud nymph
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420652632454070304/1461171564652269609/pe...
Holy shit lmao
zealous meteor
who's the evil person
grand mesa
one who shall not be named
dapper zealot
who's the evil person
You
true beacon
those who remain...
What is going on
trim frost
What is going on
some gposer drama idk i didn’t read the 30 page google doc because i actually value my time
boreal pumice
What is going on
heres a tldr
zealous meteor
i still can't believe they put @remote gate in the dwarf society quests
mossy eagle
some gposer drama idk i didn’t read the 30 page google doc because i actually va...
Me opening the Google doc and seeing how long it was: "I am too employed for this."
random needle
This is how it feels when a Google doc about the most nothing burger drama comes out
jolly flume
it's hard to top the mclargehuge
random needle
I mean, Big's situation had actual drama to it
sick reef
chat how much paste does OC give
loud nymph
not a lot
wicked delta
Like
sick reef
man
loud nymph
I wanna say 5 for a CE
wicked delta
8 for a CE? Idk
dapper zealot
5
loud nymph
and none for fates
wicked delta
Oh yea its 5… its literally nothing
sick reef
its so bad
loud swift
normal fates are 3 per
sick reef
WHEN THE LELVING IS AN IFRIT 🔥
loud nymph
this paste grind is disgusting
ehhhh, it's slow but it's also not that big of a deal that it's slow imo
because you're mostly getting it from the stuff you're doing anyway
random needle
I just wish that this step actually incentivized doing anything in OC
loud nymph
and since it's a one time step once you're done with it you never have to think about it again
sick reef
because you're mostly getting it from the stuff you're doing anyway
bold assumption on their part that im doing roulettes 😭
almost...
loud nymph
bold assumption on their part that im doing roulettes 😭
I mean
random needle
I vastly preferred the aetherwells because at least I was doing interesting content in those rouls sometimes, unlike ARR Dungeon #6283
loud nymph
if you're not doing roulettes, and not doing ex or savage reclears
then respectfully
what are you doing in this game
random needle
Idling in Limsa and getting catfished by male Viera
sick reef
highkey wanna do cosmic n OC but like 5 paste is sad
grand mesa
i'd log on, gpose and log off for about the course of a year during my content sabbatical
sick reef
im done w ex, savage gg im too trash
grand mesa
¯_(ツ)_/¯
loud nymph
honestly oc giving ass paste is bad but it's at least a step up from aetherwells which was literally undoable in oc
loud swift
crystal tower raid #8364
sick reef
honestly oc giving ass paste is bad but it's at least a step up from aetherwells...
this is true
at least OC makes me money too
random needle
Technically yeah, but it still feels pretty weak compared to most other methods
dapper zealot
Not as bad as demiatma tho
random needle
It it was like... 10 paste per, and OC FATEs dropped it too, that'd be a little more enticing
sick reef
Not as bad as demiatma tho
nah i vastly prefered atma, mostly cuz oc was still fresh ish
random needle
Not as bad as demiatma tho
I hate gacha!! I hate gacha!! I hate gacha!!!
sick reef
gacha was ass, id like a sort of failsafe but welp
loud nymph
It it was like... 10 paste per, and OC FATEs dropped it too, that'd be a little ...
this would be fine honestly
people would bitch about being "forced" to do OC for a weapon that's currently useless
but fuck em
dapper zealot
Yeah it should have been 5 per oc fate and 10 ce
sick reef
true SE cant ever win
sick reef
ive een around a year, some of their choices are just why but sometimes theyve done well
new dungeons esp
engaging
boreal pumice
It it was like... 10 paste per, and OC FATEs dropped it too, that'd be a little ...
its worse its 5 ... fucking 5
worldly grotto
if you're not doing roulettes, and not doing ex or savage reclears
ERP
random needle
I like most of the DT dungeons in fairness, though I feel like Mistwake is kind of a snoozer after Meso Terminal
rapid whale
silly hylic they just said no extreme raid progression
worldly grotto
That's not what I'm referring to Bapple
random needle
its worse its 5 ... fucking 5
I know, I'm just expressing a hypothetical world where they actually wanted people to do OC
loud nymph
ERP
(un?)fortunately, square enix has yet to create content that rewards players for being erp and afk in Limsa mains
worldly grotto
I sell my body on the Sapphire Avenue for monetary gain
boreal pumice
only motive to do oc is to do FT
rapid whale
random needle
Imagine if FT gave like, 50 or 100 paste per clear or something
sick reef
one can dream lol
crystal pivot
question for all the gamers in here, imagine you join a levelling roulette, as a healer, and the random warrior with dps friends start to try and strongarm you into not healing because the warrior says it ruins their fun, what would you do?
wicked delta
Leave
sick reef
question for all the gamers in here, imagine you join a levelling roulette, as a...
lol and lmao
random needle
This is an extremely specific situation
grand mesa
question for all the gamers in here, imagine you join a levelling roulette, as a...
erm
loud swift
why not
boreal pumice
shurg and go ok and just do dps
loud swift
i'm not in a rush
crystal pivot
also, you're a white mage, you need blood lilies
wicked delta
Look man its a warrior you already don’t need to heal their ass anyway
grand mesa
im going to press my buttons because I'm going to be bored as shit playing a 1 button rotation anyway
they should've queued as 4
grand mesa
boreal pumice
use lilly on yourself
worldly grotto
question for all the gamers in here, imagine you join a levelling roulette, as a...
Comply because who am I to ruin their fun 
crystal pivot
rapid whale
wow player
sick reef
hmm physick
wicked delta
Yeah actually I will literally only heal them n my only damage comes from bloodlily
loud swift
Everyone will be max hp whether they want it or not
wicked delta
crystal pivot
now this did indeed happen to me, and I really only used lilies and assize, a few benisons, it ended up in me being harassed by the third boss
random needle
also, you're a white mage, you need blood lilies
Use Afflatus Solace on myself for lillygen, and if they start complaining about it, change to Afflatus Rapture
crystal pivot
random needle
If they continue to complain, Solace on the tank and go full healbot
sick reef
now this did indeed happen to me, and I really only used lilies and assize, a fe...
they ask u not to heal and then harrass?
loud swift
they're just weird. lol
sick reef
😭 are people just so far gone
wicked delta
They should’ve just queue’d as 1 tank 3 dps if they cared so much
crystal pivot
if they asked nicely I would have complied
wicked delta
Lmfao
sick reef
xddd
loud swift
oh it's the tessan twintails?
sick reef
yk what as u should tbf
wicked delta
loud swift
i liked your uwu guide. thanks for the clear :D
crystal pivot
they also agreed to report me to a gm to see what would happen
sick reef
😭
crystal pivot
i liked your uwu guide. thanks for the clear :D
happy it helped!
rapid whale
i rmb on the first uwu clear i kept hearing the song from the end of the vid
because i watched it so many times
boreal pumice
gm looks ... these guys are fucking morons
sick reef
joins lobby
report healer for healing
ggtyfp u dont pay my sub
incredible things r happening in ff14
rapid whale
peoples entitlement knows no limits fr
boreal pumice
the gm will ofc look at chat logs and see they started it and just shake their head
random needle
happy it helped!
The UCoB and DSR guides were extremely helpful for my clears of those, and I'm sure I'll get use out of the other guides for the other ults when I get to those, you do amazing work o7
sick reef
i wonder what theyd even report 😭 "healer healed after we told em not to"
crystal pivot
peoples entitlement knows no limits fr
I've only had 3 actually bad experiences in xiv since I started playing, all in casual dungeons;
1 - I got kicked in a hw dungeon for having a low ilvl when I first started playing
2 - I got kicked by a 3-man premade for using bolide in shb (I used it efficiently)
3 - this
sick reef
kicking for bolide, L moment
rapid whale
lmfao
sick reef
bring back 1 hp
crystal pivot
XIV is the most toxic game in existence relative to how friendly the community claims to be, I will die on this hill
rapid whale
bro it's thje jp culture thing
grand mesa
I've allegedly been reported for stating that I wanted a griefing shield healer to leave a pf recently
rapid whale
polite to face, but same level toxic
boreal pumice
most are very passive aggressive because ppl are very sensitive
grand mesa
Bro was in m12sp1, pressed panhaima and let it expire, proceeded to die to the next mechanic that needed mit
3 pulls in a row
rapid whale
mb im new to sage
grand mesa
And I'm somehow the evil one for calling him out
loud swift
mb im not even level 100 sage
wicked delta
I got flamed by a 18k dps tank player in pf cus we saw bubble enrage because he fucking murdered me with red hot’s dash
grand mesa
gg
rapid whale
yea i will say it's a weird energy when you are in clearly difficult content like ulti/final floor and ppl get an ego over being helped
loud nymph
I got flamed by a 18k dps tank player in pf cus we saw bubble enrage because he ...
walking directly north or south is hard
boreal pumice
I got flamed by a 18k dps tank player in pf cus we saw bubble enrage because he ...
least it wasnt 13k
wicked delta
The fuck did I do im literally a dancer brother
sick reef
a bunch of "cozy gamers" are the most toxic ppl ive met in the game too
literally this. in dancing green normal, a dnc and healer duo kept dying to every other mechanic. we wipeds 3 times and i put a marker on myself and askd em to follow me
crystal pivot
I've gotten a bad rep a while back when people kept griefing my DSR totems in endwalker, I kept having wipes to the noodle of death in p6 because people wanted to barse and pushed the HP too far 
sick reef
they said "u dont pay m sub" 😭
crystal pivot
so I started blacklisting people
wicked delta
He stood on top of me when I positioned deep blue’s
boreal pumice
they said "u dont pay m sub" 😭
sick reef
https://tenor.com/view/urianger-thou-payest-not-mine-sub-ffxiv-fashionista-ffxiv...
ppl who say this are usually the most damaged 50% uptime players im ngl
random needle
I've gotten a bad rep a while back when people kept griefing my DSR totems in en...
Noodle of death... I'm not familiar with all the slang, is that the hand of pain or
crystal pivot
I like people using the 'you do not pay my sub' as an argument, completely oblivious to the fact that they do not pay for my gametime either, so don't waste it by griefing
crystal pivot
Noodle of death... I'm not familiar with all the slang, is that the hand of pain...
yeah
rapid whale
ah but you see tessan, THEY are THE warrior of light
boreal pumice
it seems are at a impass
crystal pivot
ah but you see tessan, THEY are THE warrior of light
random needle
WE are the warrior of light, WE carry the flame
grand mesa
I've gotten a bad rep a while back when people kept griefing my DSR totems in en...
Had someone rip a thousand potency skill on thordan and blame me on blm for it
Brother, everyone can hear when I xeno
You aren't fooling anyone
rapid whale
mb im a picto
sick reef
Had someone rip a thousand potency skill on thordan and blame me on blm for it
this is funny 😭
loud swift
hammer time
crystal pivot
is it against TOS to post a screenshot of a convo in here?
boreal pumice
hide the names
sick reef
blur names n ur set id say
random needle
Yeah
loud swift
k
rapid whale
That part
wicked delta
😭
sick reef
WHAT NOW
loud swift
"you poser" 😭
grand mesa
😭
boreal pumice
healer strike hype
loud nymph
what the fuck lmao
wicked delta
This is so fucking funny
random needle
Imagine being these people and getting this pressed over a healer having the Unmitigated audacity to heal
wicked delta
Poser 
grand mesa
Can't this guy just find a 4th???
crystal pivot
grand mesa
random needle
I wonder if these people know that WHM has to GCD heal for optimal deeps
sick reef
I wonder if these people know that WHM *has* to GCD heal for optimal deeps
these ppl dont even know gcds
crystal pivot
random needle
Wait true
boreal pumice
spent more time yapping then killing
random needle
"you wanted to heal me for your amusement which ruins mine"
Has this person ever seen sunlight
random needle
Worqor Lar Dor... I think? Or maybe it's Worqor Zor Mor
boreal pumice
gz you play a warrior i guess its not that amusing
random needle
Whichever one is the dungeon and not the trial lmaooooo
boreal pumice
its the 2nd dungeon
crystal pivot
Worqor Lar Dor... I think? Or maybe it's Worqor Zor Mor
Mordor gondor
wicked delta
Guy who plays dungeons for immersion
random needle
Every expac needs at least one Mt. Gulg
That's the only way we'll make normal dungeons slightly interesting again
boreal pumice
if he wants to play on the edge of going low hp play DD
crystal pivot
I just thought it was funny
there are still people who think they can bully other into doing what they want, in a normal dungeon
actual troglodytes
boreal pumice
only time i tell ppl what to do in dungeons is if their playing wrong like doton daniels cure 1 carol
random needle
Or if people forget to, say, set Kardia or Dance Partner
boreal pumice
but only time that you say dont heal is drk going for invun
fierce matrix
there are still people who think they can bully other into doing what they want,...
Ngl this stuff was a good read
lmao geniuses
random needle
I have a warning macro for LD to try and tell the healer "I'm going to pop invuln, don't heal me until I hit 1 HP"
fierce matrix
When I play WAR I just fuck around and dont press mit until im 3/4ths of the way dead. If a healer wants to heal me before that sure go ahead im still waiting for that. Im not gonna hold them at gun point and go "HEY WAIT TO HEAL ME"
crystal pivot
real talk tho, I hope they grow as players and learn to be better
fierce matrix
God only hopes
crystal pivot
I didn't
valid solar
worlds smartest tank player
grand mesa
Not worth the effort sometimes
random needle
If you make a frivolous GM report, is it possible that the GMs punish you instead
loud nymph
I'm not sure if them referring to you as "white twat" is frivolous
random needle
Oooooh if they made a GM report and they check the logs, they're gonna be cooked
loud nymph
yeah that's what I mean
arguing over gameplay is one thing but that's clearly crossing a line
boreal pumice
I'm not sure if them referring to you as "white twat" is frivolous
odd racism for no reason
wicked delta
its mr raidwide
boreal pumice
opinion on floppy ears tobi
wicked delta
Would be S tier if they were like actual holland lop ears
jolly flume
real
xiv floppy ears just look like bent paperclips
gimme proper lop ears they're so cute
wicked delta
Id be using those if they existed lmaoo
zealous meteor
wait what's wrong with xiv floppy ears
jolly flume
they stick up a bit and then flop like 1/3rd of the way up
wicked delta
not floppy enough
rapid whale
beagle ears
rapid whale
loud nymph
rip tobi
wicked delta
both tanks are mentors this will be easy
wicked delta
GULP
robust shoal
both tanks are mentors this will be easy
craggy marsh
boreal pumice
these sprouts keep killing each other
jolly flume
you're*
wicked delta
THIS FIGHT IS TOO HARD
random needle
What mechanics does Ramuh ex even have
true beacon
Orbs
vast jacinth
A tank swap , erm smth with ads
jolly flume
pvp
vestal hollow
i love pondering orbs
wicked delta
What mechanics does Ramuh ex even have
IMPOSSIBLE ONES
brisk scarab
Got my shroud mount finally
wicked delta
valid solar
are you having fun toby
random needle
wicked delta
im going to say a slur
jolly flume
don't say it toby don't say french white mage
rapid whale
le mage blanc
jolly flume
jolly flume
tupid sprout
wicked delta
tupid white mage
wicked delta
this should be enough
thin fox
its 10 for weapon 
grand mesa
😔
wicked delta
im going to become evil
grand mesa
Need 2 more clears, yeah
wicked delta
grand mesa
Doomtrain might be impossible content as well
I fear
All the parties I were in struggled
Was lucky to get a few done
craggy marsh
well yeah did you see what happened to the flatcar?
grand mesa
valid solar
same
grand mesa
Glad I did it on my main
craggy marsh
I didn't grind out Zelenia when I should've
i'm afraid people can't do Rose anymore
wicked delta
craggy marsh
or whatever that mech is called
wicked delta
no
valid solar
the good ending
valid solar
wanna go back into m11s today
daring pine
im starting my m11 prog tonight
valid solar
nice
stray forge
wanna go back into m11s today
I’d rather eat a sock on livestream
brisk scarab
I got all my EX mounts, plus the 100 totems for train
rapid whale
I’d rather eat a sock on livestream
how many gifted subs
random needle
im starting my m11 prog tonight
Long live the king
wicked delta
Thanks for the nothing guys
low hearth
im starting my m11 prog tonight
First I shall take your measure
When are you putting up the c41 @stray forge
random needle
First I shall take your measure
Show me your footwork.
random needle
every time i see the word foot
Get help
craggy marsh
proven pivot
CLEARED MY FIRST SAVAGE
random needle
Hell yeah
proven pivot
Steam deck has horrible ss quality but finally
brisk scarab
Im gonna do abyssos for the casting head piece, is 6th or 7th easier unsynced
rapid whale
Steam deck has horrible ss quality but finally
congrats to clearee
valid solar
brisk scarab
If anyone knows
low hearth
Im gonna do abyssos for the casting head piece, is 6th or 7th easier unsynced
I’ve only done the 5th one
brisk scarab
I know theres some fights with mechs still need to be known
robust shoal
depends if you can skip cachexia 1 in 6 I think
valid solar
does anyone know when necron wings will be purchasable
finite plank
i dont remember, maybe 2 months before next expac is released
random needle
It's 2 major patches after the fight releases (unless the fight is in x.4 or x.5 I think) I think? So in 7.5 if I remember right?
worn bluff
idr when cachexia is but i feel like you should be able to skip it by now
we did p5s last week and skipped basically everything
rapid whale
@worn bluff when r we m12'ing
worn bluff
<@238064002129854464> when r we m12'ing
carry us to clear??
rapid whale
if you do banana codex rep 2 nvm
worn bluff
o...
rapid whale
i cant do that strat jk i could prob learn but idk it
worn bluff
we hit 3% yest. only like 5th time getting to tower
worn bluff
you would think we had deaths in idyllic
but it was bc of 4 meme deaths in rep 1/2
and me being autoed to death later
rapid whale
f
worn bluff
we didn't expect to get close anyways
rapid whale
lmao i feel that
i remember early weeks iw as playing perfectly fine then i actually saw enrage, sudden wave of shakies and couldnt even track my clone in rep 1 anymore
worn bluff
only got past towers clean like 2x
last part still new to me
i died to autos in the middle and had to burn my 40% to stay alive after, then had no mit for the final TB followup but somehow still survived
rapid whale
gear op
zealous meteor
uh
it depends on the fight
i don't think you can really say that until you've at least seen the fight
dreamy whale
Icic
rapid whale
ttt superior to both if the tanks can handle it
rapid whale
it's less work for healers either way
worn bluff
tanks should have all mits up for third tower if they hit rampart right before first ecliptic puddle circle appears
robust shoal
I can't TTT because I used vigil to chad my ecliptic tether 
random needle
I'm just a dum caster, I wait for the healers to tell me when to press Addle and then I eat the dog treat
rapid whale
why are we talking about this again
we need the new ultimate to come out fr
wind cypress
you'd need to save your kitchen sink for that bit right? some tanks blow their cool downs on the towers right before if the healer leaves them at 50 - 70% health when they go off
dull drum
you'd need to save your kitchen sink for that bit right? some tanks blow their c...
you only need 15% approx to live a share 1 hit
and technically with good timing you dont have to share a hit on first tower
robust shoal
also yeah mt dying to ecliptic tower is a big concern
worn bluff
ramp+short is enough for ecliptic tower
dull drum
worn bluff
it's not super comfy but as long as healers not asleep it's ok
jolly flume
I spreadlo off the mt during the cast now that we dont have alts in the party
those autos kinda creep up on you
wind cypress
with no mits you pop on tower, with 1 mit you prob have 20% health, 2 mits you're fine yeah
worn bluff
hopefully the MT has rampart up the entire time for puddle drops
wind cypress
but yeah good healers make it smooth, prob is the good healer part in pf 😄
worn bluff
and isn't pressing at the very end for tower only
dull drum
i like aurora 
dreamy whale
Do my hotbars look fine
jolly flume
i like aurora <:peepoSitGamer:1064674276755648552>
hoc 25s before so you can let the excog on it expire too
low hearth
Finish msq bro 😭
dreamy whale
I’m working on it
wind cypress
I tried an experiment yesterday, 3k tenacity vs dps gear, for the meteors you don't even need any mits with ten build and dps build pops in one hit, so dps build you gotta blow 3 cds which gives you next to nothing for towers, 500 less dps though on ten build
dull drum
hoc 25s before so you can let the excog on it expire too
ive just been hocing when towers appear 
im griefing dropping to like 60%
dreamy whale
I got burned out and took a month and a half off to play poe2
rapid whale
is pure tenacity build like, having perma rampart on
rapid whale
I got burned out and took a month and a half off to play poe2
bro was so ready to do heavyweight too smh
dreamy whale
I was
rapid whale
also cap because the tier has been out for a month and a half
dreamy whale
Ok 2 months
rapid whale
more like 4
wind cypress
3500ish ten is 22-25% passive mits, applied after your other mits are factored in, I don't see how 0 ten tanks can do that part personally
jolly flume
you realize how much fucking tenacity 3500 is right
like if you meld every single slot on current bis with tenacity you have around 1700
and that's worth 9.2% dr
sinful brook
3500 means intentionally taking pieces that don't offer any good damage substats too
thats kinda cursed
wind cypress
my tank ten build is 3100 and does about 24k dps on m11s, if I drop it to 1k I can get like 350 - 600 more dps so depends on how close dps check is
versed kayak
Do my hotbars look fine
if it works for you, sure
wind cypress
getting that uptime without killing people is the balancing part xD
dull drum
just play pld bro
jolly flume
sinking 2500 substat points into mitigation for a fight where tanks take significant damage once is crazy
wind cypress
yeah I think if healers coordinated well on the tough bits you'd be fine with a bit less ten
remote gate
is m11s a zzzzz fight for tanks
undone tide
hey guys how is my favorite discord channel doing today
jolly flume
close your eyes wol
stray forge
hey guys how is my favorite discord channel doing today
TTT, TTP, PTT, or PPP wol?
undone tide
TTT
remote gate
trouble in terrorist town?
undone tide
the real terrorists are the healers
dull drum
FINALLY A REAL ONE
low hearth
Ptp
undone tide
i did TTT once and it was comfy as fuck
dull drum
it is
sinful brook
my tank ten build is 3100 and does about 24k dps on m11s, if I drop it to 1k I c...
now is that 24k raw dps
or 24k rdps
dreamy whale
the real terrorists are the healers
“Yeah I play healer”
rapid whale
you're raw
stray forge
you're raw
rapid whale
jokes on you my head is hollow
undone tide
3500ish ten is 22-25% passive mits, applied after your other mits are factored i...
do you need the passive mit though
quick verge
tenacity sleeper op for ttt
jolly flume
dh sleeper op for skipping heartbreak kick
quick verge
why would I skip mechanics
mossy eagle
Actual question why do some parties want PTT and others want TTP?
quick verge
designed by lord yoshida himself
wind cypress
my guess is the healers don't want to heal for 13 seconds or w/e the last heartbreak is
rapid whale
Actual question why do some parties want PTT and others want TTP?
PTT better if you plan to see enrage; TTP better if you have the DPS to skip the P
mossy eagle
why would I skip mechanics
Every boss should lock their HP at 1 and you won't be able to kill them until the enrage cast
jolly flume
I'd rather do TTP on white mage because I can just bell and afk the last tower but besides that more or less
undone tide
my guess is the healers don't want to heal for 13 seconds or w/e the last heartb...
you could always skip it if you had less tenacity
wind cypress
yeah, if I made it that part
mossy eagle
Really homophobic that the balance made me overmeld with tenacity this tier
undone tide
you might make it to that part if your dps and healers had to focus on dps less because youre running 3100 tenacity
wind cypress
they can dps almost as well as me now, you ssee those 23k white mages?
rapid whale
uhm
wind cypress
nutters, back in my day shakes cane we'd be lucky to see 16k
jolly flume
er I don't think that's good
rapid whale
having a healer do your dps as good as you isnt good
undone tide
i do like 26k on pld in m7s..
wind cypress
most healers in pf are around 17-18k, but sometimes you get those running 22+
rapid whale
20k is like, 'acceptable healer dmg'
mossy eagle
Uptime diff 99% of the time
undone tide
and how does this affect your justification of running 3100 tenacity
rapid whale
i thought the 3100 tenacity build was for memes/science
mossy eagle
Yeah same
rapid whale
r they like actually actually running it?
rapid whale
maybe i misunderstood
clear plume
I mean tenacity isn’t that much worse than det damage wise, it’s not like it’s going to drag you to last tier numbers
wind cypress
you trade 12% mits for 4% increase in damage in dps vs ten build - so cases for both depending on team make up?
rapid whale
o okay they were srs
wind cypress
or maybe somewhere in the middle?
rapid whale
nvm carry on
undone tide
uhm we live in a day and age where you have 40% mitigation plus like a 25% of your hp shield
clear plume
When I was doing criterion gear work it simmed like 700 dps apart or whatever, but the thing is that every mitigation that doesn’t save resources is a waste
undone tide
i don’t think you need that 12%
jolly flume
the section of the fight you were talking about
clear plume
You don’t translate extra mitigation into anything like that
jolly flume
the ecliptic buster
you took 121k dmg
I don't think you need tenacity mit for that lol
mossy eagle
you trade 12% mits for 4% increase in damage in dps vs ten build - so cases for ...
The problem with this logic is a similar issue to piety for healers, a star whose purpose can be replaced by "push a button for healing/mit" better is just not a good stat
jolly flume
piety actually does something in prog
mossy eagle
It would be one thing if outgoing damage was so high that it was required, but fights seem to be designed around no tenacity. You can always just plan mits better and get better
mossy eagle
Yeah for sure piety is not nearly in as bad a place
clear plume
Idk I know a lot of w1 tanks who swear by tenacity in prog post buff
But outside of w1 yeah not needed
mossy eagle
99% of players won't be in that scenario
But yeah
It's just really fucking niche instead of a meaningful consideration
wind cypress
I wasn't fast enough to between running to grab the portals during meteors when running my no ten build and literally just blew up in 1 hit, so extra risk for the non-pro if using no ten than forgetting to pop a skill and being fine at 10 - 20% health
during prog anyway
dull drum
bro theres a button called sprint
worn bluff
people clear m11 now that don't even use half their mits properly and don't buddy mit at all
mossy eagle
I mean that goes back to my point of "skill issue", no offense
You're trading 500-600 DPS to be able to forget to push a button
wind cypress
if ten is so useless why is it still in the game?
mossy eagle
if ten is so useless why is it still in the game?
Because SE is a dogshit company, next question
terse zodiac
mechanic fails generally wont be saved by having tenacity vs not, it's not useless it's just slightly worse than the rest
worn bluff
just use vit potion ez
versed kayak
if ten is so useless why is it still in the game?
gotta have some resemblance of choice when it comes to gearing
jolly flume
if ten is so useless why is it still in the game?
machinist has been in the game for ten years and hasn't been good for eight and you're asking this
clear plume
machinist has been in the game for ten years and hasn't been good for eight and ...
It’s been good for the first 4
worn bluff
tengentsu
loud nymph
cries in ninja
jolly flume
piercing vulnerability up 
wind cypress
but what if.. I use some ten and my 500 less dps wasn't so bad, and the 4 dps who are sitting on 30k parses increase it to say 35 - 42?
dull drum
if ten is so useless why is it still in the game?
i mean other than the week 1 prog set using one ten 54 materia to hit a breakpoint thats about it
clear plume
Sb wasn’t it’s shine but we don’t talk about the sb mch rework with flamethrower hold on opener
mossy eagle
Stats in this game consist of:
jolly flume
you can do more damage yourself though
mossy eagle
but what if.. I use some ten and my 500 less dps wasn't so bad, and the 4 dps wh...
The only constant in PF is yourself
Maximize your own performance and that's your best chance of doing well in PF (and also make a book merc party if you're like me and desperate)
wind cypress
I think I lean towards ten because I don't like dying to damage in pfs, I'd prob be more comfy with less with the right group xD
mossy eagle
If you don't like dying to damage then push the fucking mitigation buttons lmao
Idk how to tell it any less bluntly sorry
wind cypress
I do, but after 250 pulls in pf on m11s it's like following a routine
rapid whale
all i can say is plenty of tanks have done perfectly fine without going ham on the ten
dull drum
I do, but after 250 pulls in pf on m11s it's like following a routine
but then wouldnt following a routine be easier then
terse zodiac
ten is very overstated how bad it is but also it is just simply worse to invest in, if its a 1000 dps change it brings you from a 90 parse to an 80
jolly flume
eventually that 600 dps will matter
mossy eagle
I say this as someone who has died multiple times on meteorain because I forgor to hit guardian. My brain then slowly carves out some neurons to remember
worn bluff
Every boss should lock their HP at 1 and you won't be able to kill them until th...
why don't bosses just cast their enrage at the start of the fight to win are they stupid
wind cypress
my routine has my saving my mits from meteors instead of making sure I run, avoid explosion aoes, watch which side the other tank is grabbing in case its a west east portal, trying to hit the boss, try to not bee too close cause I'd get marked for a meteor, and sometimes only a few I might be slightly late on hitting the mit button
and boom wipe, cause for some reason they love making raids where rezzes are useless
terse zodiac
what i dont get is why ten doesn't always have some place because surely having 4 damage scalars will almost always beat 3 even if 1 is slightly weaker
mossy eagle
Bro does not know what a body check tier is like
wind cypress
90% of the time, by the time someone gets rezed in m11s during the 2nd half its a wipe xD
dull drum
not true
mossy eagle
Maybe in bad PFs but the fight just straight up has a lot of room for recovery
Even during arena split
dull drum
take out the 4 in 6:47
stray forge
healing received: none
jolly flume
SIX SEVENNNNN
dull drum
😱 😱 😱 😱
stray forge
fail healers imo
jolly flume
yes thats what it says when you get 1shot
rapid whale
healing received: none
wind cypress
like split arena, 2 peeps share a spot, they die - 2 peeps don't take meteors = aoe dot that kills half the raid
terse zodiac
that dot does nothing
mossy eagle
Athena meanwhile just deleted the whole party for breathing wrong during calorie
wind cypress
well to be fair, this is my 1st raid teir where I've been on the 3rd boss
craggy marsh
well the dot from a missed tower is manageable
rapid whale
jbear i dont mean this maliciously but does this happen to be your first tier
craggy marsh
only if it's 1 tower
stray forge
https://klipy.com/gifs/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-1
laugh at this embed fail
terse zodiac
but also for prog just heal lb3 it
rapid whale
laugh at this embed fail
IT'S NOT MY FAULT
mossy eagle
like split arena, 2 peeps share a spot, they die - 2 peeps don't take meteors = ...
I've seen plenty of healers just get people up in time for this
jolly flume
like split arena, 2 peeps share a spot, they die - 2 peeps don't take meteors = ...
solve the first with healer lb, solve the second with literally just healing
both are recoverable
we've cleared doing both of those
mossy eagle
It's a bit tight but can be done or yeah just healer LB3
jolly flume
the c41 we did for sapph the other day
we bled because someone was on the wrong side for towers
I drop bell and divine caress
we live
it's not something that takes some incredible amount of skill either you quite literally just heal lol
wind cypress
nice :D, yeah this is my first main tier, I did clear a bunch of dancing green in pfs
worn bluff
m11 tower bleed -> guess i press divine veil early
dull drum
shout out to the monk that destroyed a meteor
jolly flume
shout out to the monk that destroyed a meteor
TWICE
dull drum
i didnt even know you could survive that last kick with a tank lb 3
i thought it was guaranteed one shot
rapid whale
nice :D, yeah this is my first main tier, I did clear a bunch of dancing green i...
okay htis makes more sense now
mossy eagle
First tier is always rough
rapid whale
yea
jolly flume
@thin fox look what you've done
clear plume
Gz on being white
jolly flume
coleslaw is good man...
craggy marsh
Chiyoslaw
rapid whale
slawp
jolly flume
vestal hollow
i read 3500 ten and i blacked out and my hands are covered in blood what happened
sinful brook
my routine has my saving my mits from meteors instead of making sure I run, avoi...
pretty unsure how that is relevant to ten vs not ten
dull drum
sinful brook
it just sounds like you aren't planning your mit usage good
because you pretty much have nothing to use mits on prior to that for a while
because the tb before that is the axe/scythe one
because a tank usually invulns great wall of fire
vestal hollow
doesnt make sense to save mit if you can use it for free
random needle
shout out to the monk that destroyed a meteor
On the bright side, my second clear will almost definitely parse higher than that one
... right?
dull drum
😏
random needle
loud nymph
wtf are we slandering coleslaw in here
craggy marsh
because a tank usually invulns great wall of fire
Cries in PLD
loud nymph
coleslaw rules
quick verge
when you lowkey aggro every white person
craggy marsh
white people need to grow some thicker skin
vestal hollow
coleslaw SUCKS.
sinful brook
Cries in PLD
simply don't play pld
rapid whale
as god's chosen people something something baby jesus
sinful brook
or have your other tank invuln it
true beacon
coleslaw SUCKS.
L take tbh
loud nymph
coleslaw SUCKS.
more for me! 😋
craggy marsh
or have your other tank invuln it
ye this is what I do
worn bluff
so you don't need to use the mits anyways
craggy marsh
man I had a really good M11 earlier this morning but then someone somehow died to the stampede towers
which made healers panic
sinful brook
im just finding it difficult to understand how 3500 ten is somehow justifiable
craggy marsh
sinful brook
its so not worth lol
random needle
man I had a really good M11 earlier this morning but then someone somehow died t...
mb I'm new
jaunty pulsar
I'm such an idiot, I wanted to troll a bit in ultima main scenario and I pressed tank lb only to discover it's instant and no cast :°(
sinful brook
you're not going to die anyways if you mit properly
tired egret
I enjoy coleslaw
jaunty pulsar
I feel so dumb
tired egret
it's pretty delish
worn bluff
I'm such an idiot, I wanted to troll a bit in ultima main scenario and I pressed...
i mean you don't actually need lb anyways
jaunty pulsar
yep
craggy marsh
Can a simple lala just get a clear of this fight man I swear to buddha
worn bluff
i like to spin or mario kart him if there are no melees
jaunty pulsar
now I realise that all those times someone used a tank lb might have been a failed troll
undone tide
m12s is really revealing that party finder still doesn’t know how to mitigate
dull drum
mb
worn bluff
there are a lot of supports that got away with not mitigating properly in 9-11
undone tide
9-11?
craggy marsh
fake PLDs
a true PLD always takes a blow for his party members
even in a tight spot
undone tide
Ot only btw
what’re you a dark knight player?
worn bluff
i forget to buddy mit sometimes too but to sit on 100 gauge for all of 12 is wild
just blue DPS
jolly flume
1/7 reprisal
worn bluff
"my personal mits are only for when i am taking a TB" type of player
kind of common in PF from what i've seen
undone tide
warrior: only mt
gunbreaker: genuine mix
paladin: mostly ot
dark knight: only ot
worn bluff
i do both as pld this tier
undone tide
dont have to run behind the boss to wings people
really doesn’t matter because most raidwides boss will be position locked during cast
undone tide
the real reason why pld ot is good is because intervention is busted
undone tide
plus more mit if you have ramp or guardian on
worn bluff
if you have enough gauge
jolly flume
for when they make autos that actually hurt (once this expansion)
worn bluff
the timing for the 4s bonus is kind of tight with some weaves
undone tide
for when they make autos that actually hurt (once this expansion)
m12s
jolly flume
that's the once
worn bluff
i always count both tank hits in slayer so i can get the 4s bonus on both
undone tide
m11s autos are underrated especially during ecliptic
the rest of the time they’re negligible
dull drum
i just yolo
jolly flume
thats why it doesnt matter
if I have the entire rest of the fight to stock up tank heals
who tf cares if you take some damage for a bit
12 -2 is the only time it's been consistent enough to be a concern
undone tide
most healers unfortunately do not pay attention to tanks at that time
worn bluff
i died to autos in idyllic yesterday it was the only death we had in idyllic
undone tide
i agree
worn bluff
undone tide
yea idyllic autos are dangerous
you can get slapped by rep 2 autos as well if ur not paying attention
worn bluff
i use 40% in the earlier part bc i need it to be back up for last sobat
worn bluff
yeah that one
clear plume
I love watching tank povs of wind tower
worn bluff
the long string of autos when the stack/defa tethers come out
undone tide
i spread ramp and bulwark out
undone tide
shit is sweaty man
wicked delta
lizards
jolly flume
wicked thunder looks weird
worn bluff
I simply don't feel like moving
i just stand like this in the opener
idk who's behind there but if they're not that's on them
wicked delta
undone tide
i just stand like this in the opener
the most unnecessary passage of all time
i’m not going to lie to you opening raidwides are so overmitted i pretty much never bother using passage even if i dont need it for the next 2 mins
worn bluff
the most unnecessary passage of all time
when else am i gonna use it in the first 2 mins though
worn bluff
ig that's why i don't really look to see who's in it
undone tide
this is coming from an hps junkie
worn bluff
i do it for the optics
finite plank
coleslaw is just salad but with a lot of mayonnaise
worn bluff
i am being helpful 
worn bluff
it is kind of crazy seeing people almost die when i have rep+wings on fixer though
like what if i wasn't on PLD
undone tide
they die lol
gotta love the feeling when your passage or vention actually saves someone
worn bluff
actually had a time where kera didn't propagate to everyone in time and one person died
by like a few k
with rep+wings on
finite plank
<victim of propogation in raids sine e12s with gear
winged spindle
We reached the last stack/defam of ID 👀
Kill this week??
mossy eagle
Sentenced to 3 weeks of tower prog
undone tide
We reached the last stack/defam of ID 👀
Kill this week??
pretty much everything past the initial stacks/defam phase is easy any pull could be the clear
boreal pumice
valid solar
nice
tired egret
now, only 1 boss left.
tired egret
I'm only doing Savage Coils
wicked delta
wicked delta
about to heal m9s what could possibly go wrong
whole estuary
Beatrix pants
craggy marsh
I have come to the opinion of if a melee fucks up fixed stampede then they're legit bad at the game
dull drum
mb
winged spindle
https://tenor.com/view/bunny-bunny-bunny-bunny-bunny-bunny-bunny-bunny-bunny-bun...
Bnuuywurm??
That's what happens when your team don't attack to train ID 
some didn't fight since the beginning 
worn bluff
winnable
wicked delta
rapid whale
didnt you clear alr this week
wicked delta
helping my bf for c41
valid solar
dude I had an 11 party, like 16% on Ecliptic so I think it couldve cleared
but tanked messed up enrage tower 
flint ledge
Mb
sleek moon
tanks getting shaky and sweaty when they have to count to 1 or 2 before using their invuln
valid solar
the main tank was WAR and apparently WAR needs the other tank to stand with them for the first hit ?
thats why they said they died at least
wicked delta
we cleared
valid solar
epic
wicked delta
we cleared
the most epic c41 of all time
trim frost
tanks getting shaky and sweaty when they have to count to 1 or 2 before using th...
too hard please let me ttp i can’t clear without it
lost sonnet
