#endgame-lounge

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terse zodiac
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I feel like i understand it completely yet will not be able to remember all the info

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Macros sure but id like to be able to do it without referring to a text box lol

jolly flume
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yeah actually organically remembering all that shit is pretty hard

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I can do it now but it took me a few weeks to put the rest of the mech on autopilot first

limpid edge
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a hard FF14 mechanic can be described as complex at first and becomes routine through rote memorization due to its predictable and relatively lax execution requirements

rapid whale
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yea its mostly a sequence of events thing

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rather than any of the movements being particularly hard

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once it clicks ez clap

tall ore
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Like crystallized time in FRU is pretty complicated but once you learn it you’re kinda only doing 4 different things depending on debuffs

terse zodiac
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Crystallize time is actually conceptually very simple

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Basically just advanced relativity with an extra dodge and puddles

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Maybe im just horrid at memory mechs

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Idyllic is just a memory mech on steroids

tall ore
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Like were you bad at p12 wings?

jolly flume
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crystallize time was p chill tbh it's literally just getting the exawave movement down if you have a bad pattern with cleanses

terse zodiac
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This is the first mechanic ive ever seen outside top/dsr where i watch clear vods and struggle to keep up

jolly flume
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it wouldn't be out of place at all in an ultimate

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probably not the pinnacle mechanic but

terse zodiac
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Its gonna be harder in arcadion ultimate NecoArcWut

rapid whale
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Surely

jolly flume
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idyllic nightmare

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gladge

stray forge
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gladge

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tall ore
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Coming to you in 6 years

jolly flume
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I'm gonna miss metem

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my goat

terse zodiac
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We should keep him around

jolly flume
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I only wish I could hear him egads one more time

terse zodiac
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Bring him along to next raid just as our hype man

tall ore
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I hope they keep the lots of voice lines in fights idea in but not have another announcer for the next tier

jolly flume
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I don't think next tier will live up to arcadion

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im afraid they peaked

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the characterization was just too good

tall ore
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It’s prob the best tier they’ve done considering 1-12

stray forge
terse zodiac
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considering all fights definitely the best tier imo

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pandaemonium and eden had high highs but really low lows

stray forge
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ffxiv should let you set head size

worn bluff
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metem adds so much to the raids

jolly flume
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i've never been so brainrotted by music before in my life

worn bluff
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i hope they incorporate something like that in other raids

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not specifically a commentator but

jolly flume
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it's week 5 im still singing along in reclears

worn bluff
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extra audio cues

terse zodiac
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oh and they absolutely need a unique song on every fight going forward

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even if some are........

dapper zealot
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We'll get a series to best Arcadion in Stb 3.0

worn bluff
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they should just have bosses taunt you when you get hit or fall off the map

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or when you use an LB they mock you

jolly flume
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a lot of it is that the bosses are actual characters and not random monster of the week

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that adds so much

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who the hell is kokytos bruh

trim frost
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put some respect on my boy cocky

worn bluff
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ironically the boss with the least characterization is the final one in arcadion

terse zodiac
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i dont think we ever got answers for that

limpid edge
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kokytos was my first savage fight so i remember it fondly. I was so nervous that i accidentally pulled the boss

trim frost
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Like a blotch of dark ink on a serene canvas, Pandæmonium now floats foreboding upon the aetherial sea. From its gates has emerged a beast with an insatiable appetite for souls, and its feast threatens to sever the flow of life itself. Although Pandæmonium's mysteries beckon to you from the darkness, you must first quell this immediate threat to the star.

jolly flume
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but like having actual characters be the bosses enabled the music to be themed around them instead of just generic admittedly pretty good orchestraslop too

trim frost
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Just Some Thing

terse zodiac
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i forget the brainrot line from the melee soul

worn bluff
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i liked P10S but it felt kind of weird personifying pandaemonium as this monster that is.. not that large

jolly flume
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almost all the music in arcadion is perfectly written around the bosses

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and that's unique to this tier

dapper zealot
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I am slightly sad we didn't get a namesake fight

tawdry delta
jolly flume
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my every breath is laced with magicks

trim frost
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she eat on my fight or something

worn bluff
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the arcadion building turning into a mecha alexander

terse zodiac
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make it fun for me ehhhhhh?

vestal hollow
tawdry delta
uncut pebble
dapper zealot
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All the music is peak. At worst it's just pretty good

trim frost
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i think it's largely supposed to be hee hee look divine comedy reference but they don't really go very hard on that aspect

terse zodiac
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kokytos with the weirdest boss voice of all time

jolly flume
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ugh...guess my time's up...

tawdry delta
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Probably won't be so lucky next time so expect the 8.05 tier to have asphodelos level budget and lhw level difficulty

trim frost
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and dogshitticus normal mode design as per endwalker standards

terse zodiac
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why does the melee dude just have a lisp

worn bluff
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kokytos JP voice kind of sucks IMO

terse zodiac
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alwayth more killin to be done

vestal hollow
worn bluff
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it's just a few regular voices

trim frost
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could be

worn bluff
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it's not menacing like the EN VA

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i think the JP voice direction for kokytos was that it doesn't have its own voice, and is just summoning the voice of the soul

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whereas the EN voice is the creature speaking

torn mesa
jolly flume
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and bedge

terse zodiac
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i think EN is the same tho bc the female/male/behemoth voices are all very different

torn mesa
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Saw the me I want to be...

terse zodiac
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now fall!!

jolly flume
trim frost
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i think post-ew as a whole was trying to be a divine comedy reference (comedy tomestones + pandae is inferno, msq is purgatorio, myths is paradiso; you can also interpret the tiers of pandae that way too) but it was so disjointed story-wise it feels more like a coincidence than anything

worn bluff
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the raspiness in the EN VA gives it more character though, like it's coming out of the creature's mouth

torn mesa
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xdd I get banned if I say it

vestal hollow
tawdry delta
terse zodiac
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it definitely was divine comedy inspired, we even had tomestones of comedy

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and the fights were called circles

trim frost
torn mesa
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EW ultimates carry the content in that expansion

trim frost
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yeah i guess i more mean that it being a reference doesn't really carry any weight

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it's just kinda there as a "oh that's kinda neat" and then forgotten about immediately

terse zodiac
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9th circle of pandaemonium was ice themed and against kokytos, there was a lot of references that didn't exactly mix into a full cohesive thing

worn bluff
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i think the "circles of hell" theme made a bunch of the fights feel too thematically similar

jolly flume
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and im always happy to oblige...

tawdry delta
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it isn't over

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you will suffer

worn bluff
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like they're still different but a lot of them have dark/poison/fire vibe

tawdry delta
terse zodiac
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thats true i guess, i like to think it was chosen for that intentionally tho, it might not have been lol

random needle
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There is the mage soul that uses ice attacks, but also fire and I think thunder in Savage?

torn mesa
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Ye

vestal hollow
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ya

terse zodiac
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fire and ice in normal yeah

random needle
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And there's the fighter and Behemoth souls

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So ice theming is... not strong

jolly flume
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IN PROTEAN

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OUT PARTNERS

kind elm
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Ice, bind you!

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Flames, take you!

terse zodiac
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its goofy how many behemoth themed fights we have had

vestal hollow
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i like the theory that the souls are all from ct - mage is scylla, fighter is glasya, and behemoth is behemoth

random needle
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MY EVERY BREATH IS LACED WITH MAGICKS!

remote gate
kind elm
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Ehhhh....

jolly flume
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real ones know

Kokytos readies Archaic Rockbreaker.

remote gate
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cant wait to be launched into a wall

kind elm
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i did p9s in 6.5 with mega gear and echo so any mech past limit cut isnt real to me

jolly flume
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I did lc2 once

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fake mech

kind elm
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like

worn bluff
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if kokytos was designed as a heavyweight boss the thunder/ice/fire would just be based on its stance and not a giant flash of color on your screen

kind elm
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lc2 is so baby mech

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but no one could do it because no one studied it

remote gate
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levinstrike summoning on the other hand

tawdry delta
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is p9s or m9s better

kind elm
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m9s

remote gate
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fuck that mechanic

terse zodiac
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smh when kokytos has blitzball

tawdry delta
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both are kind of forgettable but p9s was actually challenging

remote gate
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m9s

random needle
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When's the last time we had a limit cut in Savage, I forgor

kind elm
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p9s was NOT challenging

trim frost
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p9s limit cut was fun

mossy eagle
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M9S is almost easier than black cat

vestal hollow
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m9s is so much fucking better

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p9s sucked i hated it

trim frost
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is that a hot take

tawdry delta
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p9s limit cut is a harder mechanic than gooper

remote gate
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m9s doesnt have a bullshit choke point mechanic that can be wiped to because someone blanked for one moment

jolly flume
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unless my memory is going

terse zodiac
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p9s was very challenging in pf just for levinstrike

torn mesa
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I think P9S is better if you're not melee

random needle
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I can buy that, m9 is pretty sleeper on caster

worn bluff
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aetherletting could have been like P9S limit cut but the static solution made it a nothing mechanic

remote gate
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i did p9s as a monk and it fucking sucked

mossy eagle
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What was bad about P9S for melee?

jolly flume
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the intended aetherletting solution is pretty fun

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I liked doing it

rapid whale
jolly flume
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wheeee run in circle

torn mesa
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I meant P9S > M9S if you don't play melee

random needle
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Oh

worn bluff
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basically everything in M9S could fit into an extreme fight

torn mesa
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Cause the only redeeming part of M9S is realistically Vamp Stomp terrorism

mossy eagle
rapid whale
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i think the only thing that separates it from an extreme is the fact theres like, 40 raid wides lmao

limpid edge
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the blood boils inside of me

mossy eagle
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Ah Vamp Stomp

jade nimbus
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I was about to say

torn mesa
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Because ranged dying to Vamp Stomp is like???

worn bluff
jade nimbus
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M9 feels like an extreme fight

jolly flume
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lookin at the walls around me closin in I think what's it gonna be

random needle
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I'm still kinda burnt over how many times I saw enrage in m9 PF

tawdry delta
jolly flume
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and then we killed it a minute ahead with like 20 dds

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gladge

mossy eagle
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There was a question on reddit if there was a Braindead solution for vamp stomp for ranged and everyone was like ????? Bro just look at the bats

tawdry delta
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or sphene

rapid whale
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surely people will be better at 11 with all tome gear and weapons

remote gate
# mossy eagle What was bad about P9S for melee?

when it came time for p9s your bursts came right before lc1 and by the time lc1 was done, your sixty seconds were drifting (this was my personal experience back when I wasnt as experienced so probably a me issue)

tawdry delta
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or even zelenia

stray forge
torn mesa
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Vamp Stomp hardest mechanic this tier though

random needle
terse zodiac
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i dont mind a first floor savage thats basically just 1 step up from ex as long as its fun, m9 is pretty decent

mossy eagle
rapid whale
mossy eagle
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Hot take, clone 2 from black cat is harder than any mechanic in M9S

torn mesa
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I don't think M9S is particularly fun, she spends way too much time casting raidwides

worn bluff
remote gate
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what are m9s runs like now? one shots or nightmare runs

terse zodiac
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dancing green is like similar difficulty but very good fight

rapid whale
mossy eagle
torn mesa
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Clone 2 is conceptually harder but less execution based than anything in M9S

worn bluff
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M9S is easier than M1S overall IMO

rapid whale
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thats fair

torn mesa
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So I partially agree

tawdry delta
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m1s is the hardest arcadion first floor for MTs

mossy eagle
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Dancing Green is by far the best of the DT first floors

torn mesa
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I agree

rapid whale
jolly flume
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dude the entire community did true north crossing just because mts can't point a boss relative to the clone

tawdry delta
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m5s wins from vibes not from the mechanics

jolly flume
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they can cry about it

random needle
rapid whale
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i felt like such a giga chad when i could do arcady night w/ subtractive casts

torn mesa
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Dancing Green is up there with Carbuncle and Cloud of Darkness for me

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For good first floor

terse zodiac
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i cant believe hector took so long to put out a good mouser guide

jolly flume
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dancing green was fuckin awesome

rapid whale
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watching people eat shit in arcady was cinema

mossy eagle
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No I'll die on the hill that the mechanics were better for M5S too. They dropped off a bit toward the end of the fight but the memory mechanics were fun

jolly flume
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just a vibe of a fight

torn mesa
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I thought the mechanics were pretty fair for a first floor savage in M5S yeah

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But the presentation bumps it up another notch

terse zodiac
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the only thing weird about dancing green

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why having 2 hit, 3 hit, 4 hit if they all have the exact same timing

jolly flume
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it makes sense musically

rapid whale
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to show off their tech of timing music to the fight

jolly flume
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I guess

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half note triplet quarter note

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wow

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amazing

rapid whale
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triplets because we trap

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get it, trap parties

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haha im so funny

torn mesa
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If LHW wasn't so shit

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Arcadion would be nigh impossible to beat as a raid series

jolly flume
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even with LHW I think it's unbeatable

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but I factor vibes in more than most I think

tawdry delta
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lhw had good vibes and presentation even though it was jokie

rapid whale
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surely next expac isnt gonna be "meracydia, it's all dragons" the raid series is it

random needle
torn mesa
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CW and HW are the best 2 tiers I've done

rapid whale
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i think that'd be really disappointing after how unique dt raids are

remote gate
tawdry delta
torn mesa
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LHW is the worst

random needle
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That aren't called AAC LHW Match 3 (Savage)

terse zodiac
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realistically first tier of every raid going forward is gonna be easy

tawdry delta
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(also i want a modern savage final floor against odin)

rapid whale
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yeah its just like

torn mesa
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Gate and Asphodelos are both better

rapid whale
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lhw was inarguably the easiest tier in the history of the game

torn mesa
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Than LHW

rapid whale
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like, "easiest of the expansion" is totally expected, you're right

torn mesa
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LHW wasn't bad because it was easy

terse zodiac
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asphodelos better than LHW is a little wild imo

rapid whale
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but the level of which it was easier was a bit ermge

worn bluff
jolly flume
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gate looked hard bruh titan had a check

torn mesa
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Black Cat is the only fight better in LHW v. Asphodelos

tawdry delta
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i fully expect 8.05 tier to be easier than lhw cuz they're too concerned about "stress" from the "major" job updates

rapid whale
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that would be a disappointing result

terse zodiac
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tho i did like hippokampos or whatever they spelled it like

remote gate
worn bluff
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difficulty aside, M4S is still my favorite this expansion

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just a cool fight

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well phase 1

rapid whale
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inb4 the new phys range get sthe pct treatment and is far and away the best of the role and it negates any dps checks

worn bluff
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and the intermission

rapid whale
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m4s will forever hold a special place to me

jolly flume
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I don't think anything this expansion can beat lindwurm 2 for me

rapid whale
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first tier and all that

random needle
rapid whale
tawdry delta
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can you kill m4s before you get knocked to the p2 platform with 790 bis

rapid whale
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watch it be the only true 2min tank job and all the others become 1min jobs like pld/gnb did

tawdry delta
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or does she lock to 1 hp

remote gate
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imagine square releases a new tank and its called poop knight and it has a raid buff

jolly flume
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don't speak of pre 7.4 gnb

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I miss her

remote gate
torn mesa
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Chiyo

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me Bapple and Dank were doing a tier list last night

rapid whale
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im fully expecting it to be some kinda hammer job as the new tank, phys range im coping on corsair that has a rdm/melee combo flair

torn mesa
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of jobs difficulty

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LOL

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we dropped GNB 2 tiers from 7.3 - 7.4

jolly flume
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there cannot be a single job higher than B

shy obsidian
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imagine pure ranged tank

terse zodiac
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wicked thunder especially phase 2 mechanically isn't that great but having 2 phase no checkpoint with a cool transition was such a nice refresher to raiding

rapid whale
torn mesa
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2 phase no checkpoint is one of the worst parts about M4S

shy obsidian
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no i mean like
imagine a big cannon tank that remails ranged

remote gate
jolly flume
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dude in 7.1 fru I legit had to voke 1st gcd in fru p5 or the pct would take an auto

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cancer job

rapid whale
jolly flume
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glad they got taken out back

torn mesa
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because it means any damage you pumped all went into skipping mechanics in P2

remote gate
rapid whale
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NO UUUUUUUUUU

remote gate
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use smudge or some shit smh

rapid whale
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how about u back flip into the wall

sly basin
terse zodiac
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it definitely made the fight easier overall but it was just nice to have a unique experience

rapid whale
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m4s p1 was awesome

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witching was cool, and so were the electrope edges

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ion was ehh

jolly flume
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m4s was still a fun prog for me but I have to wonder how much of that was just me being newer lol

rapid whale
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same

torn mesa
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it was still fun to prog

jolly flume
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if you gave me m4 now I'd kill it and be like wait that's it

torn mesa
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it just didn't have the same satisfaction as other fights

worn bluff
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m4s boss design is cool

rapid whale
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i was hearing absolutely insane numbers and clearing like, 12 deaths and clearing week 1 which is insane to think about for a 4th floor

worn bluff
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i didn't like either phase of 8's design (aesthetically)

terse zodiac
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they could have definitely done something where you still take her to 0 health and she refreshes with 100 for phase 2 and tuned it better

torn mesa
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but even DPS tuning wise aside

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all the mechanics after Ion Cannon

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just kind of suck

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especially for a 4th floor savage

jolly flume
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yeah I like the way they handled howling blade phasing

tawdry delta
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consequences of joining a casual group disguised as shc for lhw

jolly flume
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the back half of the fight is still weak mechanically

rapid whale
jolly flume
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but tuning wise it's alright

torn mesa
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cool fight

terse zodiac
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i wish i did howling blade that fight looks fun

tawdry delta
rapid whale
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m8s was fucking awesome

torn mesa
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M8S second half was still pretty weak

rapid whale
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it was everything i imagined savage to be when i first started the game

tawdry delta
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despite being easier than most 8th floors

torn mesa
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but the first half was so good

terse zodiac
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i filtered myself out of pf because sugar riot was so boring and easy but pf could not do it

jolly flume
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howling blade was a great prog despite me getting like 5 hours of combined sleep that entire weekend

wicked delta
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i cleared m6 and then m7 was so boring that i filtered myself lol

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i wish i did m8 too

torn mesa
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if I evaluated M8SP1 as a single fight

rapid whale
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sugar riot was another one of those, "did you actually read your tool tips" bosses like m11s is this tier

wicked delta
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it looked really fun

terse zodiac
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add phase was fun but 6 minutes of nothing up to then was mind numbing

torn mesa
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I think the only fight that would be above it

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is M12SP2

jolly flume
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8p1 is S tier

rapid whale
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every single mech in p2 gave me such big hits of dopamine when resolving the first time

jolly flume
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I cut 8p2 some slack for being hype as fuck

torn mesa
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Yeah me too

rapid whale
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m12s p2*

torn mesa
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ok, but imagine 8P2 was a 2 phase fight

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and the platforms in it worked like E9S tiles

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or something

jolly flume
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champion's circuit with e9s tiles

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lol

rapid whale
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hot take they really should have made the 5 defas happen during champ circuit

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so everyone had to learn every dodge permutation

torn mesa
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okay, so what I would've proposed

rapid whale
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instead of 1 caller being able to handle it

verbal whale
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Bard is sooo good this savage tier why do people still hate it?

torn mesa
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is champion's circuit has 3 variations

rapid whale
torn mesa
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left cleave, right cleave, and both light up

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when both light up, you have to spread

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so you can't put all 8 in 1 platform

rapid whale
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yeah

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the all 8 on 1 platform killed my interest in that mech

remote gate
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tier list

S tier: m6s , m8s p1, m10s, m12s p2
A tier: m5s, m7s, m4s p2, m11s
B tier: m3s, m9s, m8s p2
C tier: m12s p1, m2s , m4s p1
D tier: m1s

terse zodiac
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id go out on a limb and say nobody hates having a bard lol

jolly flume
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will you be able to stay on your feet?

torn mesa
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if I was especially evil

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I would have 5 variations

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basically, double left or double right

wicked delta
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Something something pack of wolves

torn mesa
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basically double left/right = you must share it as a pair

jolly flume
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line could've been light party stacks or smth idk

torn mesa
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and the person in front gets a vuln

jolly flume
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or debuffs that you have to cleanse by getting hit with the laser cleave

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idk

wicked delta
jolly flume
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so many options

wicked delta
torn mesa
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okay I wouldn't go as nuclear as E9S tiles

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my proposal would be something like

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if a platform takes too much damage during a mechanic

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it breaks

rapid whale
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m8s p2 had so much potential to be an insane phase but because it wasn't a door boss gg

torn mesa
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and players standing on a platform gradually deals damage to it

remote gate
torn mesa
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in a way yes

jolly flume
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they should've worked in more platform break stuff into the mechanics for sure though

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the enrage is sick

torn mesa
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like to me what would've made sense

jolly flume
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just next time make it an enum so you can't tank diff it

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madge

torn mesa
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is the tankbusters basically instantly destroy a platform

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I don't know, all of this

remote gate
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but then tank falls down

torn mesa
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is kind of too hard for a non door boss fight

wicked delta
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You’re strong, I admit… but I’m the one who will win!

limpid edge
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any tankbuster gamers?

tawdry delta
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what would m12p2 looked if there was no checkpoint

jolly flume
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howling blade casting starcleaver is like stella smashing his desk in half

remote gate
jolly flume
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you ever think about that

torn mesa
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M12SP2 wouldn't exist

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without a checkpoint

jolly flume
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idyllic would not be ok in a 13 minute fight

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not a chance

rapid whale
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lmfao imagine having to prog idyllic 10 mins in

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actually an ultimate atp

remote gate
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whats the trick to comprehending idyllic

torn mesa
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ok so here's why

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Idyllic is not an ultimate level mechanic

rapid whale
limpid edge
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look at it in order a lot

rapid whale
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cuz its usually just the order of operations

terse zodiac
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if it had no checkpoint theyd just put idyllic in order with 0 memory check and it would be easy

remote gate
rapid whale
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i have notes for dn idyllic if u want them

torn mesa
#
  • minimal patterns
  • very slow to actually resolve everything
  • most fails are salvageable
remote gate
#

like why do the meteors have elements on them

shy obsidian
#

So likeee
how simple is the Lindwurm compared ot the Lindman

rapid whale
#

cuz the towers do diff stuff

rapid whale
terse zodiac
#

phase 1 doesn't really have anything too challenging

remote gate
#

< hasn't started m10s lol

torn mesa
#

I don't think I'm lying

terse zodiac
#

cruel coil is the hardest thing and its chill when you understand it

torn mesa
#

if I say Lindwurm 1 may be easier than Hesperos 1...

tawdry delta
#

it is

#

the consequence is that ppl zone out and wipe to stupid stuff

rapid whale
verbal whale
#

Hypocritical in your prog static would you rather have a bard or mch for dps?

wicked delta
#

Bard lol

terse zodiac
#

bard

jolly flume
#

doorboss is an overgrown second floor that does top p6 damage

shy obsidian
remote gate
shy obsidian
#

imagine how much more hellish prog would be if the Lindman wasn't a door

remote gate
#

ba is so much fun when its a run of ppl doing stupid shit

jolly flume
#

lindwurm 2 would not have been remotely as hard if it wasn't a doorboss

torn mesa
shy obsidian
jolly flume
#

so the argument is kind of moot

untold oyster
#

do people hit enrage in m9s

jolly flume
wicked delta
#

Yes

untold oyster
#

we just cleared with 10 deaths and 18 DDs

jolly flume
#

tbh

shy obsidian
#

not nowadays...

remote gate
wicked delta
#

They shouldn’t now but they do

rapid whale
untold oyster
#

this is my static but idk if theres a rule about sharing fflogs or whatever

rapid whale
#

damn the deaths were on important ppl too

untold oyster
#

so anonymous moude

remote gate
#

vpr and sam cooled insanely hard

tawdry delta
#

i hope my group sticks together for 7.5 w/o needing to recruit

terse zodiac
#

rip that astro at the end lmao

remote gate
#

why was your astro dead so often

terse zodiac
#

thats like back to back

tawdry delta
#

i do not want to step into top again for trials

vestal hollow
#

i just saw something crazy

untold oyster
#

then snowball i guess

tawdry delta
#

top is a permanently blacklisted fight for me

untold oyster
#

i fucking hate top

#

least fun fight

remote gate
#

which phase of top are you feeling right now

untold oyster
#

worst music out of any ultimate

#

it has 1 good song in it

kind elm
#

doop doop

#

doop doop

remote gate
#

currently a p4 right now

jolly flume
#

I love top

kind elm
#

still mad that top p4 is p4 but fru intermission is intermission

vestal hollow
#

liv

jolly flume
#

waiter waiter more robot slop please

vestal hollow
#

turn around

kind elm
#

holy shit

#

how did you do that

vestal hollow
#

meow 3c

kind elm
shy obsidian
#

how do yall find the patience to do ultimates

tawdry delta
untold oyster
#

they're fun for the most part

rapid whale
#

top is fun

untold oyster
#

except for top

rapid whale
#

top is my fav fight in the game

rapid whale
shy obsidian
#

that's the best part, yeah

rapid whale
#

getting the kill itself is just the cherry on top

wicked delta
jade nimbus
wicked delta
#

Waiting in PF is not

tawdry delta
#

dragon

wicked delta
#

I dont have the patience to sit in PF for 3 hours lol

shy obsidian
#

but like, I don't think I have the time or patience to do em but I wanna complete at least one of em in my lifetime

tawdry delta
#

p1, p4 shiva, and p5 are dragons

#

p5 uses akh morn literally

rapid whale
trim frost
kind elm
#

what if p4 of fru she said "hraesvelgr to me" and then hrae appeared at the side and if you got killed his solemn vow was broken

trim frost
#

and play melee

#

it’s #free

rapid whale
#

i think the only actual responsibilities melees have in the entirety of uwu is p1 and p2 right

#

cleanse and kill nails

wicked delta
jolly flume
#

because it would make me stop having to fucking sac for hand of pain

#

because my dps cannot tab target!!!!

kind elm
jolly flume
#

ok buddy.

rapid whale
trim frost
jolly flume
#

light and darkness gather to me...

wicked delta
#

Look at my picto man

#

We’re gonna wipe 🥀

trim frost
#

obv there’s gaols and whatever the lineup thing is in p4 but idk just do it

shy obsidian
#

like Idk
I worry that dying late into an ultimate will throw me off lol

rapid whale
#

yeah but thats not melee specific

remote gate
limpid edge
#

i will enter the JAIL

rapid whale
#

ig theres melee lb3 lol

kind elm
#

if you keep hesitating and never trying youll never clear one

#

go in

#

ball

#

die

#

eat shit

#

suck ass

untold oyster
#

fru > dsr > tea > ucob > uwu > top in terms of fun for me

kind elm
#

learn

trim frost
wicked delta
#

Lowkey I wanna try healer in FRU but I don’t have the skill ICANT

rapid whale
kind elm
jolly flume
#

just be like watashia

#

infinite self confidence

#

no shame

#

you are Him

kind elm
wicked delta
#

Incorrect

kind elm
#

chiyo watched me die 5 times in the span of about 45 seconds in fru once

wicked delta
#

I could never be as good at singing

#

As Watashia

jolly flume
#

yeah that was a pretty good pull

kind elm
#

i had a genertaional crashout in partychat

#

that led to immediate disband

rapid whale
#

"now imagine if we die to damage right now?"

kind elm
trim frost
kind elm
wicked delta
#

I WAS JOOOKIIINGGG

jolly flume
#

what if we died to damage

rapid whale
#

the timing on that clip was IMPECCABLE

#

like you cannot write that shit

shy obsidian
#

Like you'll have to go through ten minutes of hell just to figure out what went wrong in that particular moment

rapid whale
jolly flume
#

it really might be the greatest clip I've ever farmed playing this game

rapid whale
#

if you ggenuinely do not know what you did wrong and someone has to tell you, you prob didnt study enough

wicked delta
#

Seeing it live was

rapid whale
#

assuming this isnt a blind ofc

wicked delta
#

So fucking good

rapid whale
wicked delta
#

I had tears in my eyes

jolly flume
wicked delta
#

Im so serious

vestal hollow
#

chat do i eat food and why

remote gate
#

eat food so you can raid

shy obsidian
#

eat food so you can see your little character eat food

terse zodiac
#

doesn't it auto raise you or is that only if you get the raise cast off in time

jolly flume
#

you need to be raised

terse zodiac
#

ah

jolly flume
#

but it autoaccepts it for you

verbal whale
#

Would you say this is accurate or no

jolly flume
#

are you like arguing with someone over phys range jobs or something

verbal whale
#

Ya

jolly flume
#

sobbing

#

toggle 95th percentile and cdps tab

sly basin
jolly flume
#

yeah

#

past tense

sly basin
#

woaw...

verbal whale
#

@jolly flume as you can tell I’m a bard main trying to show mch doesn’t cook as much as people think……. I mean bard is more sensitive to miss clicks or deaths but best phys imo

terse zodiac
#

nobody thinks mch cooks tho

jolly flume
#

its been dogshit for 8 years

#

who thinks mch is good lmao

terse zodiac
#

its notorious for always being undertuned

sly basin
#

8.0 will be the year of mch fr

midnight furnace
#

Ill never understand if MCH is in a good or a bad place lmao

verbal whale
#

Na they will buff bard Dps

worn bluff
#

it has pretty good animations

#

that counts for something

trim frost
terse zodiac
#

historically yes they will buff bard even tho its the best phys ranged lol

boreal pumice
verbal whale
#

Tbh few can play bard well and buff properly

midnight furnace
#

Like at this point just let MCH have SAM numbers or something

trim frost
#

clearable with? yeah

suboptimal against equivalent performance on other pranged? also yeah

trim frost
#

the only way i feel like they could make mch better is by giving it cast times so it has less impact from ranged tax

midnight furnace
#

At this point people just play MCH cause they wanna play it, not meta reason

sly basin
thin fox
#

if we're posting best ff clips

sly basin
#

ive also never seen that happen

thin fox
#

there's only one clip i can post

sly basin
#

yes share

thin fox
normal blade
#

In regards to rotation for warrior. Outside the opener, Is there a hard. "This is what you should be pushing after." Or is it just winging it

midnight furnace
sly basin
#

holy moly loudest scream ever

#

lmfaoo

midnight furnace
#

Fell Cleave your way to victory

#

Fell Cleave is where most of your damage comes

#

So just push as much of them as you can during burst

verbal whale
#

Monk has the hardest rotation in game prove me wrong

thin fox
boreal pumice
shy obsidian
#

does healing get boring in ultimates for yall

terse zodiac
#

i can never tell if someone is joking when they say monk is hard

shy obsidian
rapid whale
sly basin
thin fox
#

new monk is borderline dancer of melee

jolly flume
#

ff14 has hard jobs?

shy obsidian
#

like the rotation itself is not HARD, but optimizing it is hell

midnight furnace
#

Samurai is the hardest rotation?

terse zodiac
#

like i haven't brought it into endgame ever but it is literlaly just follow the flashing lights nowadays

midnight furnace
#

Well then again thats why i dont play it

boreal pumice
#

i oddly have never been targeted by a mech in FT yet

rapid whale
#

ok it's important to put bounds on the terms hardest rotation

#

do you mean to perform at a baseline or opti

limpid edge
#

baseline gaming

#

good enuf

thin fox
#

i mean also what context are you talking. dragoon is harder to opti in 10 than 12.

shy obsidian
#

also uh
i'm curious... why do I like samurai and monk but none of the other melee jobs?

verbal whale
normal blade
#

Because outside the opener, I really feel like I have no idea what im doing outside of keeping IR, Surging Tempest, and Upheavel on cooldown

thin fox
#

i mean that's basically it

sly basin
#

i never finished FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFt

thin fox
rapid whale
shy obsidian
sly basin
#

sorry my keyboard got stuck

trim frost
#

there’s not much else

#

war just kinda

#

got nothing lol

rapid whale
#

do u only play monk cuz if so im guessing you're only aware of the opti tech on monk and thats why you think it's hard

sly basin
#

i never finished FT but i should sometime

thin fox
#

you can do some kinda demon stuff on drg during mechs like insane air just walking away from the group to keep your double dot going

boreal pumice
#

i got a clear run on saturday so hopefully it clears

sly basin
#

🙏

#

i believe in u

trim frost
#

wanna opti then press damnation off cd for minor potency gain and hope the boss is doing a phys attack lol

shy obsidian
#

idk having 2.5 on a melee DPS scares me lol

verbal whale
normal blade
#

I've checked my static logs and. According to the m10s clear this week. Our WHM was doing a bit more damage total than I was.

trim frost
#

gulp

normal blade
#

So I feel like i'm doing something wrong here

thin fox
#

can you just show the log because that'll be more informative than generic advice

dapper zealot
#

Have you chucked it into xivanalysis?

rapid whale
midnight furnace
sly basin
#

xivanalysis is very swag n based

#

for learning

thin fox
#

bapple do you think i could convince the average m10 pf to wall if 2nd mech on insane air is tankbuster

midnight furnace
#

Like its one thing for me to play SAM

sly basin
#

yes

verbal whale
rapid whale
midnight furnace
#

Its another for me to play SAM and do shiet damage

rapid whale
#

either brd or sam probably

midnight furnace
#

As such id have no value to raid

thin fox
# rapid whale wat

2nd mech lines the bosses up for motif cleave and if its tankbuster second then if youre on fire side you just cant do it

terse zodiac
#

for melee its definitely sam just because theres more moving parts than any other melee

rapid whale
#

sry which do you mean by 2nd

#

insane air?

dull drum
#

every tank + dragoon

#

lol

thin fox
#

when i say 2nd i mean 2nd of the 4 mechs it does during insane air 1

jolly flume
#

sam is the only job left in the game where your filler is actually of any consequence

midnight furnace
shy obsidian
#

idk it feels right on tanks but terrible on dragoon

rapid whale
#

idt that matters

thin fox
#

drg is just hit everything on cd

jolly flume
#

your burst actually depends on your filler being executed correctly

raw sand
jolly flume
#

for now.

shy obsidian
normal blade
raw sand
jolly flume
#

who's ready for meikyo to give you midare ready

normal blade
#

(of course im war

versed kayak
shy obsidian
midnight furnace
#

Im not good with double weave intensive jobs so Dragoon with Quad Double Weave opener scares me

versed kayak
#

What's next, sen overcap protection too

thin fox
#

youre just not hitting buttons / keeping your buff up is the problem

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dapper zealot
terse zodiac
#

dragoon doesn't have much to move around, really only the 2 eye button idr what its called

trim frost
#

oh……..!

dapper zealot
#

Yeah that'd do it

dull drum
#

warrior unironically a harder job rotation wise than gnb thoughts on my take chat

trim frost
#

70% tempest uptime is ummmm

#

yeah

midnight furnace
trim frost
jolly flume
dull drum
#

they hated me for speaking facts

#

😔

verbal whale
#

Pally is best tank there’s no contest

terse zodiac
#

all tanks are like the same rotation just shuffled slightly

zealous meteor
#

how the fuck does warrior have a harder rotation than gunbreaker

zealous meteor
midnight furnace
#

Warrior is just press everything on cooldown and dont let beast overcap usually

rapid whale
verbal whale
#

Fax pally can still do okay for ranged mechs with magi combo

thin fox
#

@rapid whale i can't rly get a good pov of it but here you can target opposite boss and your muse will hit both of them, meaning you can then do muse+madeen when theyre back at the end. this is what i mean.

image.png
#

and if you have tankbuster here then you can't do it ReallyMad

rapid whale
wicked delta
#

We should ban Stella from speaking permanently

thin fox
#

you

#

CAN

trim frost
#

you really shouldn’t be having any less than 95% uptime as a tank (ignoring deaths) bc you can literally just toss your ranged attack

thin fox
#

is my POINT

dull drum
#

it wasnt ragebait

rapid whale
#

no i mean like you literally dont need to do this

trim frost
#

like any amount of damage is better than doing fucking nothing

rapid whale
#

you get the mog/animal off before they start the mech

#

at the end of the mech when they kiss, you send the other animal

midnight furnace
#

Holy Spirit is also minimal damage fall off so you can rely on it even if not divine mighted

vestal hollow
#

war opti is unironically impossible

jolly flume
#

if you laugh you go to hell

rapid whale
#

i get a full set of hammers + 2 comets (if the tanks r fast) + animal after that mech

trim frost
#

parsemonkey war shenanigans is damnation opti isn’t it

rapid whale
#

and its all cleave

#

you can also get a full set of hammer cleave before they start the mech too

thin fox
#

parsemonkey warrior shenanigans is paying off your healer to not hit buttons

rapid whale
#

1 gcd -> hammer cleaves -> send animal/mog while hammering

#

so there's literally no need to rely on that tech

dull drum
terse zodiac
#

damn picto actually slaps for m10 maybe i should have learned on it

rapid whale
#

m10s was like, hand crafted for picto to shine

#

every bit of down time is enough time for either 1 or all 3 motifs

thin fox
#

picto and red mage are the bis casters for 10. black mage is kinda w.e because the 2 target is just shit.

shy obsidian
#

summoner is

verbal whale
#

Since they made blm smoothie brain everyone plays them now

zealous meteor
#

warrior rotation is 123, keep buff up, spend gauge before it hits 100

thin fox
#

current black mage double dot is actually just unplayable

rapid whale
#

blm has good dmg tho

zealous meteor
#

it can't get simpler

terse zodiac
#

imo m10 feels super engaging and fun on blm

trim frost
#

laughs at ground dot downtime

worn bluff
#

the most interesting thing about warrior to me is the gap close gcd for different disengage timing

rapid whale
#

ya 10 opti is fun

shy obsidian
thin fox
worn bluff
#

but that’s like a 0.5s difference

thin fox
#

cuz they ruined 2 target on black mage

dapper zealot
rapid whale
#

bubBuuBUT SwWFiIFTcastTTtt tnrasPOseseee

#

so advanced bro

thin fox
#

now black mage 2 target is just pray the tanks move the boss properly for foul

#

and maaaaaaaybe you can hit a flare or two

terse zodiac
#

2 target opti is like the only reason i enjoy it so much

rapid whale
#

im p sure thats a loss and you gotta do some funky 3 fire flare flarestar instead

zealous meteor
terse zodiac
#

no you just flare flare flarestar

rapid whale
#

no but like im saying you dont have time for a 2nd set of them unless giga fast sps

thin fox
#

its actually crazy how bad double dot is now on black mage

terse zodiac
#

depends where you are in the fight and thats why its fun

thin fox
#

how many targets do you even need for aoe dot to be a gain btw

worn bluff
#

most of WAR feels like DRK but less so why would i play WAR other than if i like axes

thin fox
#

i know its more than 2

terse zodiac
#

2

rapid whale
#

o is the aoe dot weaker like it is on sage?

thin fox
#

is it a gain on 2?

jolly flume
#

it is weaker yeah

thin fox
rapid whale
#

wack

terse zodiac
#

yes but you single target dot both of them for most of it because they are apart

zealous meteor
jolly flume
#

and you can't just thunder twice in a row bc its depending on phase changing now

rapid whale
#

m10s just seems like a fun fight to opti in general tho im ngl

worn bluff
thin fox
#

i mean as i said previously

worn bluff
#

and i get to be a fake prange half the time

thin fox
#

they should just make more 2 target fights

terse zodiac
#

absolutely

shy obsidian
#

paladins are having it too good

verbal whale
#

I say next expansion we get a new phys range

rapid whale
#

yeah paladin's strength of range combo really stood out this tier, i think

normal blade
#

Another thing is. We have a new OT. DRK. for whatever reason, he keeps stealing aggro from me despite having higher ilevel

rapid whale
#

yea 8.0 should have a new prange and tank

normal blade
#

Not using provoke of course

jolly flume
#

the reason is that you're doing bad damage

rapid whale
jolly flume
#

aggro is a multiplier on your damage

shy obsidian
#

I don't wish any ill intent on yall pally mains but like. I think changes are incoming for it and i'm praying for ya 😭

zealous meteor
stray forge
#

Honestly may be back to weapons prog with static

#

But it’s infinitely more fun than with pf

worn bluff
sinful brook
#

i mean if you're losing aggro part of it is definitely you're probably not doing as much damage from hitting the boss so much less than they might be

thin fox
sinful brook
#

like off immediate glance

#

they have 6% more uptime than you do

verbal whale
#

A prange that does blm numbers

stray forge
dapper zealot
#

70% uptime on tempest and 80% uptime is gonna hinder you

trim frost
dapper zealot
#

Need to pump those numbers up

dapper zealot
sinful brook
#

also low uptime on your war buff

#

that shit should never not be 100% up

whole estuary
#

new melee dps or tank is pretty much a given for each expac

verbal whale
#

Whoah Bard main here

normal blade
#

I think that's from being safe during mechanics/trying to not murder my team

sinful brook
#

there's also not really an excuse since inner release adds 15s of duration to it too

trim frost
#

ranged attack

#

it’s free

sinful brook
#

and thats up every minute

shy obsidian
#

gosh look at this

AP1GczNWfsQrTyWfovz1n83jm3rNR6qehouNhxPy_pnryNo31IggYR9GQJDwD-6JnAriapCCKsP_2Esr4573x5f4_oKOVYlLKo2LEL4L9aiV5DEsYu4bpNM85fcSzg0jz27-6sddG5mVuRq56-ZB9Ub88oUXDAw1710-h962-s-no-gm.png
jolly flume
#

if people can clear the fight with 100% uptime clearly it's safe enough to get 100% uptime

sinful brook
#

so you only have to refresh like 1 time a minute by yourself maybe twice

trim frost
#

11s of Nothing should not be happening ever

image0.jpg
sinful brook
#

you lost almost 2 minutes of up time

#

in a fight thats 10m long

jolly flume
#

the baseline expectation is that you are both not murdering your team and also hitting the boss 100% of the time

sinful brook
#

your cotank lost 30s less

jolly flume
#

you can in fact do both

sinful brook
#

so thats 30s more time they do damage than you

#

losing aggro isn't a surprise

dapper zealot
#

Don't be afraid to use tomahawk

verbal whale
#

Can we all atleast agree dancer is trash?

sinful brook
#

well clearly they're not afraid to

image.png
terse zodiac
#

no

thin fox
#

if you say "tomahawk" when you hit tomahawk you increase your crit rate (its true)

shy obsidian
#

I'm trash? 🥺

sinful brook
#

but like

#

thats way more than you need in that fight

thin fox
#

its the same on dark knight

sinful brook
#

even playing safe

thin fox
#

when i say unmend it boosts my crit

trim frost
thin fox
#

in terms of performance its the best prange outside of speeds

verbal whale
#

Because buffs are mid for trash damage

shy obsidian
trim frost
#

objectively bad take i fear

thin fox
#

bard is apparently still better for speeds tho idk enough about speeds to say why

trim frost
#

if you said dancer players tend to be bad on average then i agree

verbal whale
trim frost
#

but dancer buffs are not weak by any means

shy obsidian
thin fox
#

ok if dancer is bad cuz bad players ruin it then why is bard good lol

#

literal same issue

trim frost
#

i have no comment on brd i don’t play brd

terse zodiac
#

bard provides more buff than dancer, if buffs make dancer bad then bard would be worse

raw sand
#

Bard is stressful

verbal whale
sinful brook
#

calling buffs mid in trash is

#

a terrible take

#

means you're dogshit too lol

#

how is doing more damage on multiple targets somehow bad

verbal whale
sinful brook
#

compared to doing more damage on 1

rapid whale
sinful brook
#

dancer provides powerful buff uptime too

#

thats why rdps exists

jolly flume
#

dude can we stop letting people who have no idea what they're talking about have takes on the game

worn bluff
dapper zealot
#

Would you just spam normal to practice uptime or something? Don't see a dummy giving that much use

jolly flume
#

I propose a mandatory practical exam in savage to enter this channel

dapper zealot
thin fox
dapper zealot
#

True

shy obsidian
#

should i forsake my dignity and try white mage purely for the cute weapons

worn bluff
#

it does have cute weapons

verbal whale
#

Uwu sage wep is amazing imo

raw sand
#

Play white mage cause it easy

#

and cute

worn bluff
raw sand
#

and does funny damage per minute

dapper zealot
#

Everyone who fails will be forced into blounge

jolly flume
whole estuary
wicked delta
trim frost
#

it’s like… essential or something

shy obsidian
dull drum
shy obsidian
sinful brook
#

forsaking your dignity is admitting if you aren't good that swapping jobs isn't what will solve that

jolly flume
#

forfeit your dignity

shy obsidian
#

I’m proud to have astrologian as my main healer but like.. i kinda wanna branch out to others lol

jolly flume
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bow to our domination

trim frost
worn bluff
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which one is the channel with the au ra

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ast or sch

jolly flume
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sch lounge

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my home

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my love

worn bluff
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ok i level that one

jolly flume
shy obsidian
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Isn’t scholar lounge the one with the au ra spam or was it reaper lounge?

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I forgot

dapper zealot
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Pounge

shy obsidian
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Shut up :(

wicked delta
jolly flume
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you tell me

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molten moon
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Has the whm sucks brain rot spread too far HUH

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Since when is playing whm forsaking one's dignity

terse zodiac
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the balance lounges are not real places

limpid edge
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superchain party had a dps that didnt know rep 1. Was in wrong spot almost every time

dapper zealot
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Mb

rapid whale
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whm gud this tier

jolly flume
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whm gud

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players still badge

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whats new

trim frost
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did yall see my whm from the other day

dapper zealot
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Probably, I forgot

trim frost
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.

dapper zealot
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There's like 100 creatures being posted here every day

zealous meteor
dapper zealot
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Oh them 50% dot

low hearth
rapid whale
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wat fight was this in

shy obsidian
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astrologian is like really fun for a healer

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i bet scholar is too but like. i dunno how to do that well

verbal whale
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I’ve seen very few opti scholars

sinful brook
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what does that even mean

shy obsidian
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even so, I can't do spreadlo to save my life lol

sinful brook
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what does opti scholar mean

shy obsidian
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and there's a lotta tools to work with so choosing one is difficult lol

vast jacinth
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My favourite healers are the ones in PF who communicate

shy obsidian
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like to make sure they don't overheal at certain parts?

zealous meteor
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i love scholar

wicked delta
zealous meteor
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so we don't both mit a mechanic and then have nothing for the next

verbal whale
vast jacinth
rapid whale
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well you generally need to be in a top tier group to see those

vast jacinth
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When the raidwides hit like a brick

zealous meteor
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i suck ass at scholar but it's still my favourite job kyuuchan_hug

wicked delta
shy obsidian
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and idk how to feel about using Ruin II instead of lightspeed, lol

rapid whale
wicked delta
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jus saying you wont see those scholars cus ur not around their skill level

shy obsidian
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once you get a taste of Lightspeed, it's hard to vibe with other healers, lol

wicked delta
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im not either

verbal whale
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I never played healer so can’t comment tbh

wicked delta
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it aint that hard

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cluegi

shy obsidian
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it really aint

sinful brook
shy obsidian
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but healer anxiety still plagues me sometimes, lol

normal blade
low hearth
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Healing is way too hard

sinful brook
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if you've never played healer how can you know what that even means or represents

shy obsidian
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speakin of which, I'm thinking dancer or astrologian for the next tier if they don't get changed too much (in a way I don;t like)

rapid whale
versed kayak
trim frost
verbal whale
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I mean I can read logs

rapid whale
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idk the top tier players in general already cleared the tier and arent in pf

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or if they are, they are doing 4fun c41s

loud swift
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any scholar who doesnt kill you/let you die is top tier scholar uwucarby

trim frost
rapid whale
sly basin
wicked delta
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cluegi

sly basin
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ah damn my discord scrolled

trim frost
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sch was working overtime just to keep ppl alive

jolly flume
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if you can read logs you'd realize you're not seeing top scholars because they're not joining single digit grey groups to parse

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idk what to say

wicked delta
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you are so toxic

jolly flume
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sorry

rapid whale
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mb

wicked delta
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can we ban this guy

trim frost
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monk fell over during add bc of raidwide damage and just didn’t get raised for the entirety of burst (sch was very low on mp)

shy obsidian
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imagine we get non-voiced raids in the next tier

rapid whale
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sajjies

trim frost
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only the sch tho

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whm is just

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not using lilies

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or anything really