endgame-lounge

[finite patrol]

Don’t worry we’re completely safe and dont bite much

[rapid whale]

ya i hear they only bite once every few months

[versed kayak]

I could've gone my whole life without knowing that's a thing, wtf

[finite patrol]

Speaking of, holy fuck we have some evil fish this patch

Datnoides Aeroplainos and purse of riches are bums

[odd beacon]

[dull drum]

yeah…

yama graves got a lot of flak on twitter about it but when i read the comments it literally makes no sense to me

[versed kayak]

must be one of those "I've played this game since the ARR beta" people, back when cleric stance was a thing

[dull drum]

“why are you so toxic healer dps doesnt matter”

sure man

[finite patrol]

Kinda ceazy how we got that new boss rig in San’doria and it wasnt used for Calyx

Crazy*

[dull drum]

i know the necron rig is reused but i cant remember off the top of my head which boss rig it uses

[echo ibex]

Healers will complain they have to heal take care of their teammates dps manage MP and like

My brother in christ

You yourself choose your role

[random needle]

I know that using Int potions as healer at all is already bad, but I think that what's even funnier is which Int pots are being used

[torn kindle]

Bro thought some 50 gil vendor trash energy drink would be good enough

[dull drum]

hilarious part someone commented saying a blm shouldnt talk about healers when yama literally MAINS healer

[torn kindle]

God forbid someone talks about a job that they aren’t currently

[dull drum]

if i saw my co healer doing that id be fucking pissed too

[random needle]

As a BLM primary who respects the hell out of mechanics and shield heals on the side, I feel like I have some room to talk about healers for the number of times I've just died to damage

[random needle]

And yeah this person definitely does too

It is genuinely brain melting looking at the comments of this post and seeing them defend the scholar

[dull drum]

the thing is like if you dont know the context you could MAYBE argue you shouldnt need pots on week (5?) m10s

but with context its pt bad

its a clear party not reclear

they also used nq food and they had to reinstance on stream so someone in the pt would buy them hq food

the int potion incident

and then people acting like reclear parties are any better than normal clear parties when its just the same crap

[amber fable]

i was called toxic for asking a df sch to use broil instead of spamming physick

"they are new"

yeah buddy

level 50

very new indeed

[random needle]

Yeah, you probably don't need the healer to pot to clear in week 5

But in a clear party, where enrage can still be a very real concern, you want to get every bit of damage out that you possibly can. Plus if you're this negligent about your pots, how negligent are you about the rest of your gear? Or your healing plan?

[dull drum]

me seeing someone bust out the “they are new” excuse and we’re in a dawntrail dungeon

[zealous meteor]

gotta get the good habits in early

[amber fable]

at that point I wanna play lik shit

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/first-day-homer-simpsons-gif-22702422

[amber fable]

just out of spite

[versed kayak]

I hope you're ready for 8.0 when those people will be sprouts in DT

[dull drum]

yeah its cooked

[versed kayak]

because to SE apparently anyone not in the latest expansion is clearly new

[random needle]

I wonder if the first dungeon is going to be a filter like Holminster and Tower of Zot were

[dull drum]

but its ok my bar for people in df is so low i will never be shocked

[amber fable]

bu-but sprouts are noobs and shouldnt be asked to know how to play the game

[boreal pumice]

Holm with fresh sge

[amber fable]

said sprout is max level

[dull drum]

see thats the thing right

not even being able to bring the right food and pots is like

red flags

[random needle]

Mhm

[amber fable]

me using 640ilvl food in clear parties....

[random needle]

It's not the damage that's the biggest issue here (though it is a problem), it's the negligence in Savage that's being so defended

[amber fable]

i just wanna empty my inventory

[random needle]

And it leads to PF being as sucktackular as it is rn in NA and EU

[zealous meteor]

it's only savage, who cares

[amber fable]

casual ass content

true

[boreal pumice]

You shouldn’t gatekeep, you should prep and make a effort , seems we are at a impasse

[amber fable]

players gatekeep themselves

[random needle]

A little gatekeeping is good

[dull drum]

wonder how jp pubs doing with the raid tier

[amber fable]

gatekeep from getting better

pugs would be same everywhere I feel

some days you get good pugs

somedays bad

somedays absolutely trash

[boreal pumice]

Pugs are like a box of chocolates

[amber fable]

its gatcha anyway

only thing you can do is not be the cause of grief

[random needle]

This feels like the upper end of toxicity I reach in chat in PF

(this was after dying to damage in ultimate trophy weapons iirc)

[boreal pumice]

add a smiley face for extra passive aggression

[amber fable]

where da eels????

[finite plank]

instead of saying stop pulling the whole lot, should point out what wasn't being used if they had the ability to type out something useless

people like this should not be given a clear on savage

there's no death to justify that downtime

[versed kayak]

there was no death, otherwise it'd be in the suggestions below

[finite plank]

i can see that there was no death to justify that downtime

[versed kayak]

oh that's what you meant, misunderstood

[sly basin]

i was so confused reading that shit, twitter defends poor gameplay way too often

opps my discord was scrolled up

[finite plank]

the week is 5 and im a 782 ninja

despite clearing m12s on week 2, yeah, i think this is the most poverty of gear i've been

there is nothing i can upgrade without spending books while still needing books for pants and twine

[amber fable]

roll better4head

[finite plank]

why are pants 6

[amber fable]

cuz its same as chest

stat wise

[finite plank]

chest too

fuck that

[amber fable]

wep should be 4 too

[finite plank]

it's 8

[amber fable]

i know

[finite plank]

i see

[amber fable]

it should be but

[rain geode]

Yeah I dont know why it takes 3 millions books to get everything

[amber fable]

prolong sub time

[dapper zealot]

Shit design

[rain geode]

I mean you say sub time but if you made weapon 5 you still get people for 2 extra months of sub time

[amber fable]

yeah but 8 means more weekly engagement

you have to login more times

[rain geode]

Actually a little insane I was sick weeks 3-4 and due to that only have cleared through M10S and Im at 783

[amber fable]

m9/10 contains most ilvl

beside m12

[rain geode]

That is true but still

[amber fable]

rng

[rain geode]

yeah thats what Im saying crazy rng

[amber fable]

i have won 2 accessories in 4 weeks

and nothing else

no m10 loot at all

[finite plank]

gear affects dps, the fact that I got an orange in m10s is a miracle despite there being geared nins in week 2, or 3 i forgot, probably 3

sure, i am capable enough to beat the dps check of all floors

[rain geode]

I have my right side complete and still need 3 things + wep for left

[finite plank]

but i can speedkill faster if i had gear

[dapper zealot]

Why doesn't savage loot work in the same way as normal

[rain geode]

I guess technically I dont have bis because I dont really want to use double tome ring but whatever

[finite plank]

it's week 5 and there is no way im getting above green in m12s p2

i did get lax on the fact that i had... a blm, pld, rpr with the raid wep

[rain geode]

If I win boots/Glaze this week I actually just have everything from M10S to and can skip reclears if I want

[random needle]

I still have no loot drops

So I'm trying to ignore my parse numbers because I'm going to be behind the curve simply by gear diff for a while

[zealous meteor]

you're a competent player so your parse is gonna be pretty high by default

[remote gate]

this reclear is the run you get all the loot trust

[random needle]

I got a 45 in m10

Wait my bad, it locked in as a 40

I still had 36.5k rdps, so I was playing competently, I just do not have the goodies

[tired egret]

at lvl 50 you wouldn't have Broil yet

you probably meant AoW

[finite plank]

being poor in gear as dps is very hard to compete in parse

compared to supports

[tired egret]

but yeah, you shouldn't use Physick at this point

at least spam Adlo

:/

[zealous meteor]

where's that lots of pats emote @kind elm uses

[random needle]

Unsure

[kind elm]

[random needle]

I also received some new information about two-target opti as BLM, so hopefully I can put that to use next week too

I'm still hoping for, at the very least, a ring or earring from 9 next week

I still have like 2 more weeks in m10 before I can get a single piece though...

[zealous meteor]

yoink

[zealous meteor]

[jolly flume]

just sneezed so hard I had to check the floor to see if I blew a lung out

what a great time to get sick

[wicked delta]

Are you ok??

[jolly flume]

no

[rain geode]

Sorry I got you sick

[wicked delta]

Brother go take medicine and sleep

[dapper zealot]

I sneezed so hard once it gave me a headache

[vapid path]

Get some rest

Feel better soon

[dapper zealot]

Spread the brainrot around 😔

[stray forge]

I don’t think I’ve been sick in years

Or at least presenting any symptoms sick

[random needle]

I got norovirus almost a year ago, that was the sickest I had been in years

[stray forge]

Isn’t that the cruise ship virus

Did you get it off a cruise 😯

[random needle]

Never been on a cruise in my life

[stray forge]

Oh

[random needle]

I'll just say I was very happy it happened in a hotel and not in my own home

[stray forge]

I’ve been on one and thought it was the most boring experience of my life

[scarlet lintel]

i like cruises ive been on quite a few

they can be super boring tho

its funny im parsing worse than i was in w1 and 2 though im ilvl 780

[wicked delta]

I get sick veeery often

But tbh

Most self inflicted cus I have tons of hangovers

[spice path]

W1 and 2 noone had gear. Now everyone's pumped gear in statics, and gotten lucky in pf. Our healers are over 780 now and they last prio. It will be probably another 3-4 weeks before things really even out though.

[finite plank]

isn't that normal for gear poverty players

most players are at 785~ ish if they weren't unlucky to the point of not winning loot for 2 weeks

to add, im only 782 from non bis gear from 11

[true beacon]

me in my 775 ilvl because I haven’t cleared M9S yet

[finite plank]

i dont remember if i was in 775 or 778 when i cleared 12

[true beacon]

I got the tome weapon now

[finite plank]

i think it was also possibly 774

i did not win the tome upgrade so, i didn't bother getting the tome weapon

[loud nymph]

I had pneumonia last year that was fun

would not recommend 0/10

[worn bluff]

i'm only 782. won some pieces

figured most people were around that right now

[loud swift]

I will turn 780 once I buy my tome ring

[true beacon]

I think I have all my tome pieces sans second ring

[loud swift]

Im playing dragoon so I'm finally buying my last tome piece

[zealous meteor]

oh yeah i can get tome weapon now i think

[loud swift]

ye

last week u could

[mossy eagle]

Surely one day I'll win head gloves or legs

[zealous meteor]

i forgot to grab a holoblade in week 2

[loud swift]

zam

[jolly flume]

im uh

[loud swift]

thats unfortunate

[jolly flume]

788

could be 790 if I converted my 12 books

but I want more weapons

[loud swift]

ive only cleared 9s

[jolly flume]

[torn mesa]

only 790 by W3

[zealous meteor]

yeah why aren't you ilvl 795 yet. slakcer

[mossy eagle]

I should probably just convert my M10 books into augments but as soon as I do that I'll win an augment

And then not have any books for pity head or gloves

[torn mesa]

buying anything but twine/coating

using M10S/M11S books

is a bad bad idea

[jolly flume]

[mossy eagle]

I mean you have to buy the items at some point if you don't win them

[rapid whale]

simply win them all

[jolly flume]

I only needed 1 twine this tier so I'm already done

this week I get glaze and gloves so I'm bis p much

[mossy eagle]

People think the worst about PF is the players

[random needle]

Glaze is for right side, Twine is for left side, Solvent is for tome weapon, right?

[jolly flume]

yeah

[mossy eagle]

Yes

[jolly flume]

they change the names around a lot though

[mossy eagle]

The worst part about PF is gear RNG

[zealous meteor]

the worst part about pf is that i have to interact with people

[torn mesa]

not my point

[rapid whale]

one tier my friend cleared kinda? late and didnt have bis by the time fru came out because of lack of books lol

[mossy eagle]

The people are whatever you clear eventually

[random needle]

The gear rng is rough but I kinda dislike the people more tbh

[torn mesa]

you are much more likely to be bottlenecked by upgrade materials

[jolly flume]

gg to any job that has 3 tome left side and has shit loot rng

[random needle]

I'm currently planning to stockpile my books until I have enough books + random drops to get everything I need from that fight at once

[mossy eagle]

Right, definitely don't buy head/gloves before augments.

[rapid whale]

i think some jobs are even 3 tome left and right no

[clear plume]

I’m bis minus the wrong earrings which are like a 16 dps diff

[jolly flume]

that's a possible config yeah

[clear plume]

[jolly flume]

I think I had that last tier

[torn mesa]

your luck would have to exceptionally terrible if you've bought all augments

[jolly flume]

pretty sure 2.31 healer was 7 weeks

[torn mesa]

and still yet to win a raid piece

[clear plume]

Aiming is this I’m pretty sure isn’t it

[rapid whale]

not sure

[torn mesa]

isn't aiming 3/2?

[rapid whale]

i think maiming it

[torn mesa]

at least scouting/aiming is

[mossy eagle]

Noble every time I plug my clears into "how bad was my crit?" I get somewhere between 1 and 5 percentile

[torn mesa]

maiming is 3/3 yes

[jolly flume]

the only thing I think they don't do is tome chest AND pants at least in recent memory

[mossy eagle]

My luck is atrocious

I used all of it on winning a house I later gave up

[torn mesa]

Asphodelos striking was 4/3 I think

[random needle]

I think I need head and hands from 10, plus the augment for my neck, wrist, and ring... so I'm gonna be seeing the bros for a LONG time yet

[rapid whale]

r u actually puttin gin the stats right monkaW

[torn mesa]

🙂

[rapid whale]

gross

[random needle]

Then for 11, I need the chest, and I need twine for my legs and boots I think

[rapid whale]

oh slow blm actually uses the exact same set nice

i figured melds would b diff or something

[torn mesa]

oh wait no

it was 3/3

still bad but not awful

[rapid whale]

idk p awful for your gearfeed/funnel purposes no

[clear plume]

Scouting uses the raid earrings but aiming uses the tome bc of stat tiers

[finite plank]

gotta wait till... week 50+ of next expansion

[random needle]

That's part of why I went slow BLM this tier, I wanna be able to play the other casters too

[torn mesa]

Abyssos striking was blessed

just like this tier

1/3

[jolly flume]

I'm also 1/3

could be 1/2 but I'm dropping the raid ring until ultimate

compensation for the cancer that was fast healer in cw

[clear plume]

I got monk head and hands this week for alt jobbing

And my statics monk can’t crit for shit so the static is already started the jokes about how I’m going to beat his parses in 3 runs

[random needle]

... man, knowing how much Glaze I'm going to need from m10 makes me sad now

[clear plume]

His pb btw

[loud swift]

Lets do this together bro

[random needle]

I almost wish they'd drop multiple augment items per clear

[jolly flume]

glaze should be 2 books and twine should be 3

[rapid whale]

Weapon should be 6

[jolly flume]

dude I think if I played with the stb-era loot system in pf I'd legit crash out

to think that this isn't even the worst iteration

[rapid whale]

I heard they used to drop random pieces like it striking etc

[jolly flume]

yeah coffers didn't exist

gl

drop the right class or go next

[rapid whale]

Disgusting

[amber fable]

gear till abyssos was rng

[zealous meteor]

oh did they retroactively add coffers to older raids?

[amber fable]

rng coffers

old didnt had any like arr

[zealous meteor]

because ive farmed alexander when i was too lazy to farm poetics and i got coffers there

[jolly flume]

ok but they were still coffers

it was just random which ones you got

before that

holy fuck

[zealous meteor]

ohhhh

[amber fable]

they had crafting stuff tho

craft mats from savage

se should do it

795 crafted weps

[jolly flume]

maybe i'll remember to cap my tomes this week

[loud swift]

i dont wanna play xiv bleeehhhh, i wanna play terraria

[zealous meteor]

then play terraria

[loud swift]

forced to raid

[low hearth]

😭

[loud swift]

after tomorrow i get to play terraria all day c:

[low hearth]

2 hand coffers

[amber fable]

and gear cost was higher

hand and feet was 6

chest was 8

chest was final floor too

[torn mesa]

hand feet were 4 still

chest/legs were 8 though

[amber fable]

okay yeah

[terse zodiac]

Needed a belt too

[amber fable]

it was there till shb

i remember having those during ft

[loud swift]

yup belts were removed in endwalker

[random needle]

They got better at making pants fit so belts weren't necessary anymore

[clear plume]

The funniest shit about stormblood era loot was

I was drg bis week 2 of deltascape

And I was a tank at the time for that group

Bc we had ninja monk as dps jobs

And only drg drops

(Technically missing the tome upgrades but it was like a 4 left side raid scenario)

Only str accessory drops

And I mean ONLY for my group

Week 3 me and my monk just swapped roles it was so bad

But realistically? You were more likely to win loot on a person to person basis if you do see it drop

So it didn’t feel that bad, all things considered

Like if you’re playing prange the roll is just happening pre drop even. Made gearing alts in pf worse though.

[finite plank]

it's so... primitive compared to eso if i were to compare it to stormblood as i was still in there at the time

then again, it was raiding for a different reason in eso, but ff14 is so much of fucking you over from bad luck

[stray forge]

vro would absolutely die in WoW

[random needle]

Does WoW have weekly gear lockouts?

[stray forge]

Instance lockouts

basically the same

for loot purposes

except loot was bloated with a bunch of gear no one uses

so it was technically possible to go weeks at a time with loot that literally no one uses

[worn bluff]

Vincent, your loot roll luck was....

On second thought, let's pretend your account never existed.

[rapid whale]

join funny number run

buffs drifting, people dying

gtfo

[loud nymph]

yes but with more RNG in the entire process

[mossy eagle]

My b

[loud swift]

What mmo game has the best loot/gearing process

[rapid whale]

ffxiv

[loud nymph]

probably gw2

[terse zodiac]

Depends what you mean best

[loud swift]

I guess most,, engaging to loot in. Idc about a grind but if its just piss easy or unfun, then thats not good

[rapid whale]

afaik gear is largely useless in gw2

and its mostly about collecting glam

ive been told their equiv of ultimates is at best an extreme in xiv

[terse zodiac]

Like ff is very fast and easy but it does kinda suck that bis is completely useless every next tier and such

Not engaging at all either

[mossy eagle]

• OSRS has a pretty good spread of options for early/mid/late game.
• GW2 has really horizontal progression so max gear caps out early,but you can chase horizonal gear progression through factalsnor convenience through legendaries

[loud nymph]

the nice thing about gw2 is the lack of vertical gear progression, so people still do content from years ago because it awards currency or achievement progress or whatever and you can still get relevant gear from it

[mossy eagle]

Best is hard to define though. FFXIV is most often criticized for how its gearing is boring. Outside of piety and GCD speed, there is little to decide. WoW, I've heard, has more interesting effects on gear, trinkets, set effects, etc.

[loud swift]

I'm asking cuz I always wanted to try to make one but the only mmo ive played a lot of is xiv. And idk about any other games late gear progression, looting system, etc.

[rapid whale]

ya set effects can fundamentally change rotations

[loud swift]

Like I played a tiny bit of wow and gw2, and thats about it

[mossy eagle]

Like, make and release an MMO, or just design one/think about best practices?

[loud swift]

Design one first

[loud nymph]

WoW has a wide variety of things to consider when gearing, between trinkets, crafted effects, set bonuses etc which can be overwhelming hence the prevelance of tools like raidbots

[loud swift]

Im learning C# and unity for it

Its been like a dream to make my own

And write my own story for it

[loud nymph]

WoW also has very RNG based bad luck protection and you are never guaranteed to get the item you actually want

[loud swift]

I like rpgs, I like playing with friends

[mossy eagle]

Not going to tell you no, and it's certainly a good way to learn C# and unity. But this genre is a graveyard just fyi

[loud swift]

Idc about the money

[loud nymph]

which leads to people running the same dungeon over and over and over again in hopes that the trinket they want will actually drop

[loud swift]

Its a passion project

(well ofc i care about the money but its an after thought)

[jolly flume]

hey that sounds like me farming dungeon bis for an ultimate

[loud nymph]

yes but in WoW the difference is running the dungeon is actually engaging

[mossy eagle]

I think you have to first decide on your philosophy. Namely, pick between Guild Wars 2 (cap out stats early, have other horizontal options) or WoW/FFXIV (treadmill). Neither is wrong imo.

[loud swift]

I like the xiv way of gearing constantly. maybe not as often as xiv, but I dont want to just stick to one gearset for a long time and be able to run all future content with it

[worn bluff]

solution: don’t join funny number run

[loud nymph]

honestly I think the WoW system would be the best if the bad luck protection was a little better, they often do a thing at the end of an expansion where you just get to straight up buy the chase items you actually want, but it'd be better if it was more widespread imo

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/is-it-3

[warped gate]

and you get to look at all the old stretched textures

[mossy eagle]

Things I like about FFXIV gearing (unironically):

• crafted gear allows me to skip a tier without losing progress. I can just get crafted and hop into the next tier.
• the loot restrictions, as much as I bitch about them, do keep the tier alive. I would definitely improve the pity drops a bit and make it easier to play with friends without wrecking their weekly loot.
• For most tiers, there is a purpose in getting BiS as it lets you play ultimate in the next patch. If they actually released an ultimate every odd patch it would be a good system.

[thin tartan]

Solution: join c41s for numbers

[worn bluff]

i definitely wouldn’t mind the gearing as much if pity was a bit better

[wicked delta]

I wouldn’t mind gearing if I didn’t fuck over other people’s loot

[rapid whale]

once you have tier complete achievement book costs of stuff should go down imho

[mossy eagle]

Things I don't like:

• the stats and options on gear are too boring. Similar to complaints about boring talent trees in other MMOs, options that fundamentally change job gameplay are more interesting than "2% more crit"
• gearing is too long and it's easy to grief your friends with their loot if you've already cleared
• gearing BiS is not conducive to FFXIV's ability to play all jobs on one class. Gearing for alt jobs should be less costly than main job.

[worn bluff]

once you own one piece for that slot, the cost for additional pieces should go down

in terms of books/tomes

[rapid whale]

i heard someone say a good idea; once you unlock a piece eg chest piece u can buy the other jobs w/ uncapped

yaya

[finite plank]

easy solution, make it cost a lot less books

[mossy eagle]

Maybe a cold take:

• your first weekly clear of a floor gives you coffers that can be opened on any job
• you can clear again throughout the week on a different role and win loot, but you can't stack that loot onto a job you've already opened gear from that floor on.

Would go a long way in encouraging alt job play and gearing

[jolly flume]

being able to grief peoples loot just because YOU have cleared is so fucking stupid

[rapid whale]

i think ppl would be upset it would feel like a chore

[finite plank]

or wait till savage is unlocked

however

[mossy eagle]

I mean it's only for alt jobs

[finite plank]

they unlock savage waya too fucking late

[mossy eagle]

If you don't want alt role gear, you don't have to clear 5 times or whatever

[finite plank]

savage should be unlocked when ultimate is released or near release

but it wasnt

[loud swift]

So what im getting is..
• Loot grind should be less tedious via pity or better drop rates
• Looting/gearing alt classes should be easier
• More customization on classes than just stat increases

[rapid whale]

hell make it unlock start of next major patch

[hidden stag]

Why does no one run ucob?

😔am I missing sumn

[rapid whale]

7.5 hits -> unlocked

[jolly flume]

because nobody wants to play level 70 jobs in 2026 man

[remote gate]

old and jank

[mossy eagle]

They do, wait for odd patch

[rapid whale]

yea like a new tier is live

[jolly flume]

the fight isnt even that bad

[rapid whale]

nobody trying to do old ass content when theres stuff to prog

[mossy eagle]

Ultimate is pretty dead while the tier is going on

[hidden stag]

Good point bro

[jolly flume]

but asking me to play a job with half its kit gone

lmao

fuck that shit

[rapid whale]

you will put ruin in the bag

[remote gate]

just play monk bro

monk is literally the same from lv 70 - 90

[terse zodiac]

Having a system that lets you get more coffers from alt jobs but also cant stack it on one job isnt really possible to make

[jolly flume]

coffers arent even what gate my alt jobbing

[warped gate]

this is square enix we are talking abt btw guys

[jolly flume]

it's usually just tomes

[rapid whale]

TOMES AND TWINES

[warped gate]

stop using common sense when ur talking abt grinding

[mossy eagle]

Surely there is a way to add a flag to a characters data to see what coffers they've opened on which job

[rapid whale]

hot take : once you have tier complete achievement your tomes should uncap

[mossy eagle]

But yeah definitely reducing tome cost is a huge one for alt jobs

[remote gate]

good take

[terse zodiac]

Ok but consider you actually funneled 2 pieces to one player? We just cant do that now? Or getting an upgrade mat

[jolly flume]

just kill the tome system

like

who in their life has ever been like "yeah I really want to do expert five times every week instead of raiding"

[terse zodiac]

Also you could just run your alts for the whole static get every piece and open them all week 2 on your main

[rapid whale]

like 90% of the casual player base

[jolly flume]

thats not the target audience of tome gear anyway 😭

[rapid whale]

but chiyo dont you know the casuals are what keep the game afloat

[warped gate]

raiders come on for new content n then get off

[mossy eagle]

Yes I am sure you can do a lot of shenanigans for lots of loot Erin. My goal was to think of some way to encourage alt job gameplay without making it feel mandatory

[warped gate]

ur like 1% of the active players

[jolly flume]

I mean its true if they weren't bouncin on it in limsa 24/7 this game would be long gone

[rapid whale]

they are the ones who buy 5x of each cute mog station item

[mossy eagle]

You can do an 8 character split week 1 right now, or static loot feeding, but it hardly feels mandatory

[rapid whale]

8 chara split

i think i would

die

[terse zodiac]

Just make getting an alt char at endgame easier

[jolly flume]

kindred does quad splits I've heard

must be fun

[rapid whale]

quad i can understand to some degree

8 tho

[worn bluff]

i'm sure they've thought about all of these ways to make alt jobs easier to gear, but they very intentionally want to keep the grind long

[zealous meteor]

what i just don't get. why the fuck do you only get full loot if nobody in your party has cleared for the week

[rapid whale]

yea i think u right on that

[worn bluff]

it's the same team that chose 99 clears of an extreme for a mount

[rapid whale]

they look at it as a way to make raiders sub for 2 months instead of 1 then peace out

[mossy eagle]

Consider getting full loot in a C41. The 1 would get all loot without competition. They're trying to balance the RNG aspect.

[jolly flume]

"you can play every job on one character" and "we encourage you all to take breaks from the game" are the two greatest lies yoship has ever told to raiders that people somehow believed

[worn bluff]

the warrior of light can choose any job class. it just takes them 2 years to get the gear

[mossy eagle]

Hey I took a wonderful break in 7.3 and crushed some indie games

Simply don't have a house or care about ultimates/quantum/criterion

[worn bluff]

i learned japanese instead of doing cruiserweight

it was nice

[zealous meteor]

they ARE true if you don't raid

[terse zodiac]

I mean you really can just play all jobs, you cant get bis fast across roles but

Thats not necessary

[rapid whale]

ポピポ！

[jolly flume]

I didn't even have my third job bis by the time I went into fru

[terse zodiac]

Not for ultimate obviously

[jolly flume]

even for savage as a function of ilvl locks

if I were to grab my 773 set for tank and open a couple coffers I'm pretty sure I would still get locked out of a lot of 12 reclears

[rapid whale]

on the bright side as long as u dont plan to prog multiple jobs super early eg by week 8 of ulti you can just wait for relic step

tho realistically i think ppl will just use the ultimate weapon

point being, can use 12 books for twine/shine

[jolly flume]

yeah I'd rather spend my totems than grind the relic lol

[terse zodiac]

You can be locked out of some but it doesnt stop you from making your own

If you know you have enough damage

[jolly flume]

ok but the point is it presents a very obvious and annoying barrier

[worn bluff]

my friend couldn't even join half the reclear parties last week bc she only had 775 on her alt job

[jolly flume]

I could probably clear 12 in like 760

[mossy eagle]

I don't know how to describe this without just sounding like I'm bitching, but yes. I can go in as any job on crafted gear but that's not exactly what I want. I want to be rewarded (or have the possibility of a reward) for learning, progging, and clearing on alt jobs. I want that monkey brain reward feeling of learning to play healer and then going "oh boy I got a healer hat, now I can be a better healer"

[terse zodiac]

Its a silly complaint imo but gear in general in this game is also silly

[mossy eagle]

And I want to do that without having to take an alt character through fucking MSQ

[jolly flume]

my tank brought up something last night which was pretty valid honestly

[mossy eagle]

Alt characters for raiding have always been a workaround to the system's fault, rather than a meaningful and interesting choice

[terse zodiac]

Like every other game youd just make an alt character

[jolly flume]

he's gotten a friend into the game who's started raiding recently and he wants to branch out to play more stuff

[loud swift]

But as I was talking before. Before I even decide on how I want looting and all that jazz to work, I want to make a concept on how the combat works. I like ffxiv skills and the combo system, but I dont know what I should do for the gear. Is the xiv armor sets fine how it is? Should there be more to it than just every armor piece giving stats?

[rapid whale]

bitching is what we do here dw

[jolly flume]

but 100 fucking levels is insane to grind through

[worn bluff]

i mean ultimates give every person one guaranteed loot piece a week and plenty of people still play them even after they're unlocked. maybe they should idk make more content that people want to play regardless of reward

[terse zodiac]

Do the same in ff and its the same

[mossy eagle]

It's not though

There's a purpose to other characters in other games

Namely being able to play as another class

[jolly flume]

they also go out of their way to make this game as alt unfriendly as possible

[low hearth]

780 parties 💔

[jolly flume]

like wtf do you mean I can't friend my main on my alt

[low hearth]

people be tripping 😭

[jolly flume]

can't use my own goddamn house

for repairs and retainer

[worn bluff]

ultimate loot system feels so much better than savage

i miss ultimates

[terse zodiac]

Some people just wild i saw a 780 vamp c41

[worn bluff]

maybe i should just quit this tier and wait for ulti PF to come back

[rapid whale]

780 for m9s?????

[jolly flume]

I wish I could just prog week 1 and then quit the game until the next content release, and never do reclears

[rapid whale]

but you need bis for the ultimate

[jolly flume]

I would love this game so much more

[low hearth]

780 parties or c42 disguised as a reclear 🤔

[terse zodiac]

Very hard fight you understand

[worn bluff]

yeah that's kind of the only reason i'm still doing this tier

sucks

[mossy eagle]

ilvl 780 requirement "bring big damage!!!!" in PF description
Look inside
They parse a 0

[worn bluff]

i like m10 and m12 enough but idk

[rapid whale]

idyllic still feels cool af to resolve

[terse zodiac]

I love "bring big damage" people that do not bring big damage 😭

[mossy eagle]

Guys I think I miss body checks

[rapid whale]

i mean hey they are ust being honest, they need someone to carry their ass

[jolly flume]

I miss body checks

straight up

it feels so wrong that you can just miss towers and nothing happens

[worn bluff]

you don't like getting to enrage and then finding out half of PF still has to finish learning weapons/orbital?

[jolly flume]

missed a tower in ecliptic? no problem

missed a tower in rep 2? no problem

missed a tower in idyllic? no problem

[mossy eagle]

SE can't ever slightly adjust something they always have to fuck it up in the other direction

[worn bluff]

you mean act 2

[jolly flume]

we must OVERCOMPENSATE

[terse zodiac]

Missing a tower in ecliptic or arena split feels so

Inconsequential

[jolly flume]

well there's that yeah but you can also just straight up not take the clone stack or something in rep 2 and nothing happens except a bleed lol

[terse zodiac]

Like healers never struggle to keep you up whats the point

[worn bluff]

oic

[rapid whale]

im p sure parse partise will let whichever melee is parsing to intentionally not take a tower

and for ppl to adjust

[mossy eagle]

Like yes Pallas Athena was fucking dumb with every mechanic busting the party's balls if they fucked up.

But M11S is also ass just in the other direction

[jolly flume]

the only mechanic that actually snowballs in 12-2 is the first one, somehow

even idyllic doesnt force you to wipe unless you literally had a defamation sit on the party's face

[worn bluff]

i mean i feel like arena split tower miss being recoverable is OK. the healers have to at least put some effort into recovering while raidwides are coming

[terse zodiac]

Pallas athena caloric 2 is when i gave up on humanity

How do you mess up walking in a circle pf

[mossy eagle]

And while I'm bitching, for the love of God can we get any kind of combat performance feedback. Even if we can't get a damage meter, at least tell people what their GCD and DoT uptime was

[mossy eagle]

My B never got middle before

[terse zodiac]

Middle you just stand still

[mossy eagle]

My b I forgor

[terse zodiac]

Drove me mad wiping there

[mossy eagle]

But seriously I think players deserve some kind of feedback

Otherwise they'll never know they're the problem in M11S

[mossy eagle]

Okay this idea really eats

[vestal hollow]

guys im going to be officially old in like 10 days

its cooked

[jolly flume]

DISMAL

[mossy eagle]

I want a DMC style meter in FFXIV. It goes down if you waste a proc/have GCD downtime/drift buffs/etc.

[worn bluff]

we don't have to put other players down if the game does it for us

[jolly flume]

idk I unironically think having a vanilla dps meter would be good for the game

maybe people will look at it and be like hey

why am I literal dogshit

[vestal hollow]

i think ffxiv should let use euthanize our partymates

[jolly flume]

it was cool in fellowship

I look down hey I'm doing like 10% less damage than expected

figure out why I suck go fix it

now my number go up and I'm happy

[terse zodiac]

They probably could work one into the game that isnt able to be used as harassment id imagine but it would be a complex task i think

[mossy eagle]

I don't disagree but I'm willing to compromise with SE at this point

[jolly flume]

like the first step to improvement is literally just knowing that you suck

and I think the game and the community massively fail at that

because it's "toxic"

[mossy eagle]

If there's some middle ground that helps Timmy the warrior realize he shouldn't have 50% uptime that's fine with me

[worn bluff]

people don't get enough feedback in general. i've seen streamers complain about other people not mitting/doing enough damage when they're just yapping to chat clipping every GCD and freestyling mits

[terse zodiac]

Like adding a client side pure dps ui element that only shows perdonal performance should be possible

Anything more would be a lot of work

[mossy eagle]

Add it and make it on by default

Players should be seeing stats like uptime really early on

Then it's not "elite and toxic" or whatever, it's info they've been introduced to the whole game

[jolly flume]

I don't think it's even a lot of work to display other people's damage

it's all in the battle log

although

[stray forge]

You get to see you’re at S rank if you haven’t missed anything

[jolly flume]

sure that's a gateway to people flaming each other

[terse zodiac]

They could but thats what they want to avoid for harassment yeah

[stray forge]

After you miss 3 gcds you go down to F rank for the rest of the fight

[jolly flume]

but maybe we need more people to flame each other ngl

[worn bluff]

i think just purely GCD uptime feedback would make a big difference

[terse zodiac]

Make the game make a loud buzzer by default everytime your gcd is on cooldown

[stray forge]

If you miss another gcd the boss drops one less piece of loot

[loud swift]

downtime:

[stray forge]

This chat would be so happy

[zealous meteor]

monks crying in the corner

[jolly flume]

those people would have to clear for the less loot to matter

usually they're the people preventing the clear

[worn bluff]

GCD heal spammers:

[mossy eagle]

What's that plugin that shows ants on abilities when they're off CD?

Yeah add that

[zealous meteor]

ants are the glowing yellow bits around buttons right

and not literal ants

[jolly flume]

yeah

[random needle]

Ability ants, ye

[jolly flume]

they kinda walk around the border

[stray forge]

noi

[jolly flume]

like ants

[stray forge]

they are real ants

they come out of your monitor

[worn bluff]

i don't like those as much because they look the same as active combo

[stray forge]

and start crawling all over you

mid raid

[daring pine]

and in your eyes

[jolly flume]

idk why it copied the google url

https://github.com/Felscream/DragoonMayCry

tis peak

[random needle]

I might get that tbh

[jolly flume]

I had it for a while when I was playing monk

not bc I gaf about my uptime

[wicked delta]

Same here

[jolly flume]

the music just went hard

[rapid whale]

alexa replace the music with everything burns

[jolly flume]

dropping my gcd for 5 seconds every time he says never let the opps win

[stray forge]

bros name is felscream

thanks I never would have guessed a wow player would make a mod like this

[terse zodiac]

Idk how to say what i want but theres gotta be some way to like
If the damage check requires some amount it would be nice to have a way to tell people

M11 prog i kept seeing people not even close to damage needed but cant call it out so choice is waste time or leave

[jolly flume]

kinda crazy how fast the community crumbled once se put a remotely challenging check in the game

[random needle]

I like the thought of a gauge that shows your personal DPS and uptime, then shows how those are ranked relative to the rest of the party

Idk, something like this maybe

[quick verge]

i cant read

[random needle]

XIV player

[limpid edge]

Does ACT even have a live uptime number?

[daring pine]

no

afaik

[terse zodiac]

It would need to know your gcd

[jolly flume]

it's not something that's particularly hard to calculate roughly

the game has all the information it needs

the only reason it's more annoying for third party is that they have to estimate your gcd from your casts

[terse zodiac]

Xiva just approximates it, it wouldnt be accurate 100% but they could

[random needle]

Yeah, the game itself would know your GCD and stuff

[jolly flume]

and filter downtime in fights that have that

[terse zodiac]

Game calculates gcd based on job and stats and passive buffs and whatnot

And its very variable

[zealous meteor]

xivanalysis approximates it unless you're the creator of the log, right?

if you uploaded it then it's 100% accurate

[jolly flume]

the game doesn't send stat data in its combat packets

everything is literally just pulled from your cast events

thats why if your uptime is shit your gcd gets estimated at like 2.51/2 sometimes in xiva

[terse zodiac]

No idea i havent had to upload to xiva personally in a long time so anytime i check its someone elses log

[zealous meteor]

oh huh

[worn bluff]

there's a lot in endgame that there is basically no feedback for in game, other than people dying/wiping

[zealous meteor]

but it says it has precise values if you're the one who logged it

[terse zodiac]

Interesting maybe it could show your personal uptime then but not your party

[worn bluff]

and then even then people sometimes don't have the awareness to know they're part of the problem

[random needle]

Could calculate uptime from ingame values by

Uptime = (time GCD is actively rolling) / (time that any enemy is targetable)
Or something

[jolly flume]

maybe it does for your own, idk

[worn bluff]

some tanks don't even know that they can help prevent deaths to damage

[jolly flume]

but it certainly doesn't work for everyone

[stray forge]

its probably the same as WoW

where theres a certain range where it doesnt register what you do

if you're far enough away during the fight

[clear plume]

Fflogs can get the stat data of the person who uploads, but not their teammates

So it has sks/sps numbers

[jolly flume]

if lodestone updated more than once a year they'd be able to pull exact stats from that probably

[random needle]

I haven't seen the GCD be wrong for me personally, but I'm usually pretty good at keeping my thing rolling

[jolly flume]

it still thinks I'm 775

[limpid edge]

Id like to see a live uptime numbers for the party

[clear plume]

This also has accurate crit and dh numbers bc of it

So if you get lucky you aren’t overtaxed

[stray forge]

Gaia Bell

[random needle]

Gaia readies Liturgy of the Bell.

[clear plume]

But yeah, it can check that summary line for sks number and plug it directly into xiva

But if you aren’t logging and using somebody else’s upload it has to estimate

[stray forge]

How do you unlock past ults

[jolly flume]

kill the old tiers

[stray forge]

Do you have to do the tier synced

[boreal pumice]

clear old savge

[jolly flume]

no

[terse zodiac]

And its only the final fight you have to do

[stray forge]

And ults have to be synced for loot?

[clear plume]

Ulti pf would be so much better if you had to do the entire sync MINE to unlock

[jolly flume]

there's no unsync option

[terse zodiac]

You cant unsync ultimates

[boreal pumice]

not final final but last of tier like o8

[jolly flume]

old ultimates are basically unsync anyways ngl

numerical tuning is such a joke

[random needle]

Ults cannot be unsynced, and there is no echo

[stray forge]

Ic

[jolly flume]

its like walking into a savage tier with 20% echo

compared to intended difficultyl

[clear plume]

How I miss her (on patch ucob)

[boreal pumice]

new jobs , job changes etc buffs

[terse zodiac]

For uwu its way more than 20% echo minus the mit

[jolly flume]

uwu hasnt been an ultimate for like at least 4 years

[terse zodiac]

Its funny how free it is

[clear plume]

I think you guys are overestimating uwu on content difficulty

[jolly flume]

hey I wasn't there for that

can't say 8 years

[clear plume]

It was a puzzle fight that still died within like 3 days

[boreal pumice]

tell us the story grandpa

[clear plume]

Like it was never as hard as ucob was to execute

[terse zodiac]

Yeah i have no idea how it was on content

[clear plume]

It was still miles easier than even fru was

[random needle]

Didn't UCoB take over a week to fall?

[torn mesa]

11 days

[quick verge]

pto enrage ICANT

[rapid whale]

i wish

[random needle]

I don't think they could make a fight that takes that long for WF groups to clear without making it near impossible for like... 99% of the playerbase

[clear plume]

I will say ucob was a thing where it was a bad situation wrt some teams falling apart during prog and other teams just not preparing an entire week off for it etc type stuff

And especially ucob consistency check was NEW for ffxiv at the time

Nael for 10 hours a day? Nothing was preparing you for that

[stray forge]

paid time off enrage

[clear plume]

And it’s fine if they make a fight that 99% of people can’t clear, on patch top was a net positive to the game social media wise

[random needle]

Yeah, people are more used to how that goes in ults now, and people are just way better at the game now too

[clear plume]

You had HC wow groups downloading ffxiv just to experience it

[terse zodiac]

Gonna differ from person to person ofc but not many people want a fight so hard it would take over a week for the best teams now

[random needle]

I'm hoping that the 7.5 ult is gonna be at least as hard as DSR

[torn mesa]

I think saying "x was harder on content"

[terse zodiac]

Ultimate playerbase is already a pretty small minority

[stray forge]

7.5 ult is going to be my first ult

[torn mesa]

is a largely worthless statement

[quick verge]

99.99% of players do guided prog so it doesnt matter

[clear plume]

Patches live for months, fights taking 2 months for my relatively good group would be absolutely amazing

[torn mesa]

unless both you and the person you're saying that to played back then

[quick verge]

u dont have to sit there and solve dynamis

[stray forge]

[warped gate]

i wonder if that 0.1% is employed

[random needle]

True

[stray forge]

everyone is bad bc they dont do the raids blind

[quick verge]

you dropped a 0

[stray forge]

||I wonder if that 0.10% is employed||

[quick verge]

you pmo

[whole estuary]

Considering the complaints about "augh I took vacation days in order to prog this" I'd like to hope a good number are

[torn mesa]

it's funny when you hear someone say

[quick verge]

a lot of people doing hc prog have like

401ks and shit

[clear plume]

Most hc players are employed yes, basically every group has like 1-2 people who aren’t late 20s early thirties either being college or 40

[jolly flume]

believe it or not you don't have to be unemployed to be good at a video game

[torn mesa]

<insert Gordias raid> was the hardest ever

[craggy marsh]

The people who say it and actually mean it have no joy in life

[torn mesa]

because it took 30+ days for WF

[clear plume]

Bitch I know how I played in Gordias and I am never claiming that

[mossy eagle]

Sorry I can't enjoy something unless I can make other people feel bad at the same time

[torn mesa]

don't get me wrong Wonder

[craggy marsh]

I never understood undermining someone elses accomplishment just bc they didn't do it the same as you

[clear plume]

I do 8x the damage now I did then on god

[terse zodiac]

I miss early abyssos where half pf was "discord required"

[torn mesa]

most people don't claim that

it's just there's a select few that are dented

that state that BS

and the worst part is, some of them didn't even play then

[clear plume]

But yeah, it’s mostly people who don’t have the frame of context who look at a sheet and say that

[mossy eagle]

Abyssos with the awkward discord randos was great

[terse zodiac]

Very fun state of pf

[mossy eagle]

Closest we ever got to VC

[jolly flume]

discord required is still less funny than cf warp required

[finite plank]

cf warp?

[clear plume]

41 days for first coil? Clearly twintania is the hardest raid ever

[torn mesa]

WARP the MVP

[finite plank]

what's warp

[clear plume]

Even wow cannot compete

[stray forge]

You can absolutely be employed but I’d say it lowers the chances of you being in a relationship or married because there is no pto with your partner and disappearing for a week to play a video game is kinda crazy

[rapid whale]

anyone better than me is a no life sweat, anyone worse than is ass

[jolly flume]

vpn

[finite plank]

i see

[torn mesa]

"jobs were harder back then"

[jolly flume]

that we all had to use while na was getting the shit ddosed out of it

[quick verge]

nah

[torn mesa]

is the other incredibly stupid statement when comparing encounter difficulty

[clear plume]

Wym? A lot

A LOT

[quick verge]

just dont get into relationships with ppl that dont fw ur weird obsessions

[random needle]

I play XIV for a week, she plays Hello Kitty Island Adventure for a week, it all works out

[torn mesa]

jobs being harder doesn't mean the fight is harder compared to other fights

[clear plume]

Of parents HC raid on ffxiv, telling your partner you need a week to prog something literally 1-2 times a year is perfectly normal lmao

[jolly flume]

ok bro try not to get the amiya pillow dirty

[quick verge]

dont get on a train tmrw

[jolly flume]

[quick verge]

wallah we all pulling up

[torn mesa]

this feels like a bad blanket statement

[stray forge]

I’m speaking from the standpoint of someone who has never dated someone who plays hello kitty island adventure for a week

[low hearth]

🤯

[quick verge]

i think u just think most people are very "normal" relative to the ppl that play this game

[jolly flume]

@quick verge

[random needle]

Gordias took so long to WF in part because the fights were balanced around BiS and not starting gear, right? And the mechanics at the time were kinda weird iirc

[clear plume]

If anything, most HC players did really well in school because there is a big Venn diagram overlap between “takes hobbies seriously enough to want to get good at them” has a big overlap with “did good enough in school to go to college”

[torn mesa]

yes, people who are good at 1 thing

tend to be good at many other things

contrary to what some may claim

[quick verge]

im good at gaslighting

[mossy eagle]

No ur not

[jolly flume]

keystroke uptimemaxxing because IT is spying on me at work

[stray forge]

That sounds like a bad blanket statement

[random needle]

That's just what you want me to think

[torn mesa]

well, the number 1 thing in being good at something

is mindset

[clear plume]

Like surprisingly, the guy who grew up playing piano and taking how they play that with reflection will be better at reflecting on their ffxiv play

[torn mesa]

and that's universally true regardless of the field

[mossy eagle]

Idk I feel like it's way too hard to generalize

[craggy marsh]

XIV players need to go find jobs and reduce their ego a little bit methinks

[jolly flume]

the only thing different about xiv and piano is that my mom doesn't yell at me for sucking at xiv

[stray forge]

Are u a true believer in the fake it until you make it scam

[quick verge]

the truth nuke

is that most xiv players are pushing 30 and have jobs

and still act like children

[torn mesa]

I mean, it's true in basically everything I've involved myself in

[craggy marsh]

then why do they have such huge egos man

[torn mesa]

which isn't that much granted

[stray forge]

I’d say this game has a higher young percentage than WoW

[craggy marsh]

have they never been humbled once in their lives

[torn mesa]

whether it's school, sports, games

[stray forge]

Everyone over there is an unc

[quick verge]

wow players are literally 40+

[mossy eagle]

WoW has been around longer so that tracks

[torn mesa]

the largest separating factor between those who succeed and those who don't from what I've seen

is mindset

[jolly flume]

success for most things starts in your head

lol

[mossy eagle]

Oh I'm not talking about mindset

[torn mesa]

fake it till you make it isn't what I'm talking about at all

[stray forge]

I disagree, the biggest factor in “mainstream” success is luck

[craggy marsh]

From what i've seen with XIV raiding people keep comparing themselves to other people for some reason

[stray forge]

[craggy marsh]

"This group did it so why can't I?"

[torn mesa]

luck is the main factor at the highest level

[finite plank]

does xiva count

[torn mesa]

most people are nowhere near the highest level

[craggy marsh]

not understanding that different groups have different reasons for performing how they do

[torn mesa]

bapple, we've talked about this a lot

can you elaborate for me

[rapid whale]

shor

[mossy eagle]

Yeah that's more my point Mango

[quick verge]

wait i have to afk give me the sparknotes on this conversation when im back

[stray forge]

What about people who studied petroleum engineering in like 2014

[rapid whale]

most people operate at like, 80% of a job's capacity and think they have mastered the job and the rest is "just crit luck"

[stray forge]

That oil crash basically ruined their lives

[torn mesa]

a specific case doesn't invalidate the general trend

[rapid whale]

i think m11s exposed a lot of these types of players this tier

they assume they have some level of mastery over their jobs, then a fight demands they prove it and kablam

[stray forge]

Yeah but general trend is doing way too much lifting in your statement

[torn mesa]

the general trend is only lifting it insofar as to say

[mossy eagle]

I guess you could call it mindset but I'd more call it "priorities". If you prioritize FFXIV, you will probably get good at it. I used to want to clear faster and faster and now I just have too much other shit to care about

[torn mesa]

mindset is the main factor

not that it's immutable

[rapid whale]

queue 80% uptime healers getting btfo by the tyrant

[torn mesa]

or universally true

[worn bluff]

i don't think it really changed their viewpoint though. eventually most of them will clear and then move on thinking the same thing

[craggy marsh]

seeing groups compare themselves to week 1 groups sucks bc why do you care what a week 1 group did when you're not in a week 1 group

[rapid whale]

yea i agree

[craggy marsh]

"Week 1 did this" okay idc what week 1 did

[stray forge]

Mindset is why I haven’t cleared m11s yet

[mossy eagle]

Don't go to the Colorado School of Mines problem solved

[jolly flume]

I mean frankly by all accounts I probably play xiv less per week than a lot of casual players right now

[stray forge]

[mossy eagle]

Or Texas A&M

[worn bluff]

yeah i was trying to get my SO into raiding and eventually she was like "mmm no i'm good i'd rather do other stuff with my time" and quit lol. totally valid though

[rapid whale]

i was talking to noble abt it earlier but tldr my stance is, "if you aren't able to perform at that level what makes you think you deserve an early week clear" to the people crying foul at m11s check

[stray forge]

Don’t go to Texas

Better rule

[shy obsidian]

if i get into high-end raiding for two games at once am i gonna die

[torn mesa]

if you want to focus on FF14 specifically, over all areas

then unironically yes

mindset becomes an even more determining factor

[craggy marsh]

Now i've experienced this first hand which is if you take a break from a tier then your chances of getting into a group the tier after falls off a lot and that's kinda ass

[torn mesa]

in life, there's way more luck based things

[craggy marsh]

a lot of 7.4 static rejected me bc I didn't clear last tier

and only for that reason

[rapid whale]

a lot of people take the approach of, "boss died, i did my job" and don't think about maximizing their own potential

[stray forge]

It’s your mindset that is making me not clear tbh

[torn mesa]

namely the opportunity based cases you alluded to

[stray forge]

If only your mindset was

“Let’s help Moriie clear the tier”

[jolly flume]

"a clear is a clear" are the most poisonous five words you can ever tell yourself

[stray forge]

I’d be set

[rapid whale]

yeah i agree

[craggy marsh]

A clear is a clear but a grey is a grey and that's bad

[terse zodiac]

Not clearing last tier is like a perfect trial idk why theyd just toss someone out for thay lol

See how fast you learn

[craggy marsh]

bc they have this mindset that they're "hardcore"

[rapid whale]

like im not expecting everyone to aim for rank 1 funny number or anything but if you arent getting purples there has to be a point you ask yourself, "what am i doing wrong"

[stray forge]

Everyone swap their mindset to let’s help Moriie fill a clear party

[rapid whale]

and only if you've exhausted every option can you say, "gear diff"

but it's p rare that's ever the case

[craggy marsh]

like, so many midcore groups I applied for sounded like thinly veild hardcore gamers who don't know what hardcore even is

[worn bluff]

it's not just about damage either. some healers/tanks don't mitigate properly and think it's entirely on other people if people die to damage

[stray forge]

Only bapple will group with me

Why is everyone else so mean

[low hearth]

[torn mesa]

There's a discussion to be had about how applicable this is to all areas

But in 14, majority of people unable to clear a fight are in fact approaching it poorly in their mind, namely externalizing why they're not successful

[shy obsidian]

oh i am in dire straits

[jolly flume]

you are the common denominator in every party you join

[rapid whale]

i cant help until firday because of schedule issue but i can help on an alt that isnt full bis

[jolly flume]

that doesn't mean it can't be other people who slow you down

[torn mesa]

it means it's statistically unlikely

[jolly flume]

but it also means you can always do better and improve your chances that way

[torn mesa]

to be the case over and over again

[rapid whale]

yah with numbers like that you have to look in the mirror and tlel me what you see saw the me i wanna be IN THE MIRRORRRR

[jolly flume]

right where we oughtta be

[shy obsidian]

maybe choosing a new job I am unfamiliar with was a bad idea for this tier

[rapid whale]

depends on your goals

[craggy marsh]

heyyy, save some prog for me

[rapid whale]

if your goal was to clear asap yeah maybe

[worn bluff]

this does tie into mindset too but some people just don't really prioritize getting better at the game (which is fine as long as they're not griefing or holding other people back)

[deep gale]

there's nothing wrong with parsing grey just, like, work on it

[mossy eagle]

You can also boost your odds by vetting your party

[stray forge]

I’m not saying I’m a good player I’m just saying I’m definitely good enough to make it to fucking ecliptic at least 9/10 pulls

[craggy marsh]

parsing grey for your first clear is fine

[stray forge]

And yet….

[torn mesa]

like in sports or education, equal opportunity is a lot harder to come by

[craggy marsh]

that's almost expected in some fights

[rapid whale]

yeah but thats the thing factory

[stray forge]

[torn mesa]

than in a video game like 14

[rapid whale]

doing mechs is step 1

not the bar for clear

it's "one of many requirements"

[shy obsidian]

No, no, you don't get it
the only time I've ever gotten green WAS with my first clear

[torn mesa]

good enough to make it 9/10 pulls

is not very good at all

[stray forge]

That’s why I said make it to ecliptic every time

[torn mesa]

if everyone in the group is 9/10

do you know how often the group sees ecliptic

[jolly flume]

parsing grey is not fine and never is, I wish people wouldn't take it that way

that doesn't mean you're a horrible human being but you are objectively performing quite badly and you should fix it

[shy obsidian]

I"M TRYING 😭

[stray forge]

In my experience like once every 20 pulls

[worn bluff]

realistically a lot of people who don't get better at the game will still clear the fight eventually

[craggy marsh]

it's not "fine" but if it's your first clear then it's nothing to beat yourself up over

[jolly flume]

yeah sure

like you shouldn't fucking shatter your mental over it

[mossy eagle]

People 3 pulls and disband as though they're 100% confident on every mechanic and then they fuck up something and go "teehee"

[jolly flume]

just note it and do better

[craggy marsh]

ye

[deep gale]

unfortunately if the other seven people are also good enough to make it 9/10 times you have one person in the party fucking up some amount of pulls i dont remember how to do math

[shy obsidian]

but Hell in a Cell always trips me up because I'm always second guessing myself lol
i know the priorities but sometimes I second-guess myself and. boom.

[worn bluff]

focusing on improvement reduces the time spent progging but some people also just beat their head against a fight for 2000 pulls until they get it

[craggy marsh]

I don't understand the people who put their mental on the line over a colored number

[shy obsidian]

I just want something that isn't grayyyyyyyy

[mossy eagle]

I will agree with Noble in that I don't think mindset is everything but mindset will go a very long way in keeping your sanity in PF

[stray forge]

It’s far more likely you have one player who fucks up 3 pulls in a row in my experience

[shy obsidian]

is that chat GPT

[rapid whale]

yes bro im too dumb to do math

[random needle]

Im

[torn mesa]

lol 0.9^8

[worn bluff]

chatgpt where do i stand for this mechanic

[torn mesa]

too hard

[random needle]

I'm able to do math

You could have asked me

[rapid whale]

IM DUMB NOBLE

[random needle]

[stray forge]

I don’t reach ecliptic 50% of pulls

[wicked delta]

I don’t know how to do math I failed my math classes

[stray forge]

It’s more like

[torn mesa]

right, I never said mindset is everything

[worn bluff]

bro we're FF raiders we can barely count to 4

cut us some slack

[stray forge]

10% of the parties I JOIN

[torn mesa]

I said it is the most important factor

[stray forge]

[jolly flume]

1 in 10 fuckup rate is already better than a lot of people

[mossy eagle]

Stop taking yourself so seriously. Be gracious to others when they make mistakes. If you do want to get serious, then get your parties and lock in

[stray forge]

Granted

[shy obsidian]

i think I'm getting the hang of Watersnaking.... because it's literally the only one I get nowadays for some reasoN

[mossy eagle]

Right, not everything. Sorry for the misquote

[jolly flume]

there's quite a few people who would consider messing up 10% of pulls good consistency

[rapid whale]

okay now i gotta check in on that person

[stray forge]

It is in fact my fault

[rapid whale]

i wonder if they cleared yet

[stray forge]

Cause I’m in a static

[shy obsidian]

but god, optimizing against the Xtremes as a melee DPS is HELL

[stray forge]

And can’t go into pf until Friday

[craggy marsh]

Cruiserweight week 1 static bullshit fucked me up so bad for this expansion that idk if i'm a bad raider or if I just have shit luck

[rapid whale]

oh no oh no

[torn mesa]

when I say internalizing v. externalizing

[rapid whale]

it gets worse and worse

[craggy marsh]

Like, I wanna say i'm a good raider

[torn mesa]

what you just mentioned are also valid cases

[craggy marsh]

but idk

[random needle]

MY BAD

[whole estuary]

sunseeker or moonkeeper misquote

[finite plank]

it's what i take when it's 8 people i know who are usually good but pepega occured for the clear

[mossy eagle]

Is this your first tier?

[torn mesa]

As Chiyo said, the only common factor, the only thing you have control over

is yourself

[stray forge]

It is

[rapid whale]

honey we wouldnt let you even get to 300 let alone 1.1k pulls

[torn mesa]

even if it was true that you were getting griefed a lot by things out of your control

focusing on that isn't productive at all

[rapid whale]

"MY FEEDING BOT LANE REEEEEEEEEEE"

[torn mesa]

yes exactly